1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Elisa Donovan here back with a new episode 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: of Killer Thriller. Today we are diving into a true 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: crime story that completely took over the headlines and honestly 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: the entire Internet for years. In twenty twenty two, Karen 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Reid was charged with manslaughter and second degree murder, accused 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: of killing her boyfriend, a Boston police officer, after a 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: night of heavy drinking during a brutal snowstorm. Prosecutors claimed 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: she hid him with her car and left him outside 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: in the snow. The story absolutely dominated local news and 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: became a national obsession. After a twenty twenty four mistrial, 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: the case was retried a year later and Karen Reid 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: was acquitted of murder charges. But between accusations of a 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: police cover up, massive public protests, and true crime fandom, 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: the verdict only fueled the fire. So today we are 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: talking with Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reid in Lifetime. 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: This new film accused the Karen Reid story. 17 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: Amy Roboc and TJ. 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host, Alisa Donovan. 19 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: Okay, today we are talking about Karen Reid, and I 20 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: am here with my producers. 21 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 2: To lay it out for you. 22 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 3: So Lifetime is doing a movie about the Karen Reid 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 3: stories starring Katie Cassidy, who will be joining us for 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 3: somebody listening, including myself. Can you set up who is 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: Karen Reid? I know the name? Did what is the story? 26 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: What did she do? What did she not do? 27 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: Okay? 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, to be clear, and this speaks 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: to how so many people know about this case. I 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: remember first being aware of it by someone standing on 31 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: an overpass on the freeway in LA with a big 32 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: sign that said free Karen Read. 33 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: And I was like, Who's Karen Reid and who is that? 34 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: So that made me look it up and I went, 35 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: oh my god, this woman. So she What happened is 36 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: this woman lived in Boston with her boyfriend. It was 37 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: a blustery winter, snowy night, they all went out drinking, 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: and then she was accused of hitting this man with 39 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: her car and leaving him to die and freeze to 40 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: death in the yard of a friend. Now there is 41 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: so much evidence to the contrary, and in fact it's 42 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: about like police cover up. All of these people believe 43 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: that the Massachusetts Police Department was is a conspiracy against her. 44 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: And then the more that you read and see it's 45 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: really true. They gathered evidence in a solo cup. There 46 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: was some evidence that wasn't actually put into the proper 47 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: places until March. This happened in January. No one ever, 48 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: they never went into the house and questioned any of 49 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: the people that were in the house at the time 50 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 1: they went there, which was about twelve thirty at night. 51 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: Now what's important to know is the. 52 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: Owner of that home was also a member of the 53 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: police department. And they have text messages from a state 54 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: trooper who becomes the head of the investigation, where he says, oh, yeah, no, 55 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: those guys aren't gonna suffer at all, essentially to the 56 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: extent like, oh no, We're not gonna be a part 57 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: of it. He's a part of the team too, like 58 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: these very clear cover ups. 59 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: Was a boyfriend also a police officer? 60 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, he was a police officer. 61 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: And is there any once he definitely hit with a car. 62 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: No, This is the other part. The entire the prosecution's 63 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: case rests on the fact that he was hit by 64 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: a car and that Karen said over and over, I 65 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: killed him, I killed him, I killed him. That becomes 66 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: a big part of the case. But then it's revealed 67 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: that she never said it. They have no footage of 68 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: her saying this. But because everybody was so drunk and 69 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: it was freezing cold, and they're all of these extenuating circumstances, 70 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: there's a whole thing about where he has these All 71 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: the injuries he had were scratches on his arm that 72 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: they likened to. They had an expert, the defense had 73 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: experts come in saying those are from a dog, that 74 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: there's no evidence of him being hit by a car. 75 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: And then they find out the owners of the house 76 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: had a huge German shepherd who was known as quote 77 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: not good with strangers, and then they gave the dog 78 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: away like a month after this happened. 79 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 4: That this guy was. 80 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 3: Dronk and like just passed out in the snow and 81 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: froze to death. 82 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: Karen says that she saw him walk into the house 83 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: and then she left, and they are saying he never 84 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: went into the house. However, the police department and the 85 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: state troopers, they never investigated the house. They never interviewed 86 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: anyone who was in the house at the party. 87 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: How's at this party? 88 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: So they went they all were at a bar and 89 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: then they went. 90 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: Back to this like the after party at this Yes, 91 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: the after party at this was his body found at 92 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: this house? Yes, his body was found at the very 93 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 1: front end of the front yard by the street. 94 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: Could he have tripped, hit his head and then froze 95 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 3: to death. I mean he could have, yes. So what happens. 96 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: So then there's this Karen Reid trial. So she gets 97 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: accused of this crime. 98 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: Yes, so they they say that she which also doesn't 99 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: make any sense, because they that she dropped him off, 100 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: you know, hit him with her car in an angry fit, 101 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: and then drove off and went home and went to 102 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: sleep and then woke up and was like, where is he? 103 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: He never came home. It doesn't make any sense at all. 104 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: No one would do that. 105 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: And there's also no evidence that she that he was 106 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: hit by a car. 107 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 3: So then there's they accuse her, She goes to trial, 108 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: and what happens. 109 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 2: So she goes to trial. 110 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: She first of all, there's a trial in twenty twenty 111 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: four and it ends in a hung jery. It's a mistrial. 112 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: So she goes back. They try her again in twenty 113 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: twenty five, and she has found not guilty on all 114 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: counts except for driving under the influence or one version 115 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: of that of drunk driving. 116 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: Knowing what you know? Do you also, and you've watched 117 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: this lifetime version, do you feel like she. 118 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: Is not guilty? 119 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's so interesting. I do think she's not guilty, Definitely, 120 00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: I do. I mean in watching these I've watched documentary footage, 121 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: well in court footage, and when you see these witnesses 122 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: for the prosecution on the stand, they're they're not believable. 123 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: They're not credible, got. 124 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: It, They are not credible, and they all keep repeating 125 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: the same things. And then when you get down to 126 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: the brass tacks of it, it literally it doesn't make 127 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: any sense that she could have or would have done this, 128 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: And they rely heavily on her voice males that she 129 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: left for him, which were like saying, I hate you. 130 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: Where are you? 131 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: She was like drunk and angry because she went back 132 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: to his house and he never showed up and where 133 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: is he? And she thought he was sleeping with someone else? 134 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: And you feel like the volatility of this woman, but 135 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: that's also understandable. They had been arguing for the weeks prior, 136 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: they've been having problems, and sure they had a very imperfect, 137 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, relationship like most of us do, but you 138 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: can understand that. So then they use her words in 139 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: an emotional state to make it look like she was 140 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: angry enough to kill him. It seems very clear that 141 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: they put up the quote blue wall right where the 142 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: police are just saying this happened on our watch. Whether 143 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: they someone beat him up, it looks like he was 144 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: beaten up and has scratches on his arm. However they don't. 145 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: No one talks about those things. They keep pressing that 146 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: he was hit by a car, which the experts say, 147 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: this is none of this fits with someone who is 148 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: hit by a car. And then they also have pieces 149 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: of Another part of it is that her tail light 150 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: was broken, and then they find pieces of the tail 151 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: light where he was lying on the front lawn, but 152 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: they don't find those until over twelve hours later at night, 153 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: after they have brought her car in to be investigated, 154 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: and they have it at the facility where they check 155 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: for evidence and things like that, and they have footage 156 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: where the police that sent the footage they reversed it 157 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: so it looks like you're looking at the one side 158 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: of the car when you're actually looking at the driver's side. 159 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: Like it's nefarious it's really really bad. 160 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 5: As extraordinarily convoluted. 161 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: So I get why people are fascinated and also super 162 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 3: confused because I'm trying to keep up here. 163 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: Well, it's also you know, I think a big part 164 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: of this is, which I find fascinating and also pretty concerning, 165 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: that all of these people who have become her followers 166 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: and supporters, they're getting their information from this Turtle Boy 167 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: guy who has turned this in and I mean, bless him. 168 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: I hope his intentions are good and he certainly it 169 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: seems like he has helped to at least shine a 170 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: light on this, but you know, it's very self serving. 171 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: He's you know, now he's got a movie deal. 172 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: Right, quite likable. Is that also people seem to be 173 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: so supportive or is it just so clear that something 174 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 3: is a miss here and she's being wrongfully accused. 175 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anybody would disagree that something 176 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: is a miss. I think what they disagree on is 177 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: what exactly is it that is a miss? 178 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: I think that's the problem. 179 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: And you know, a big part of this is when 180 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: people are that intoxicated and it's snowing and it's late hours, 181 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, and the investigation was botched so severely, but 182 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: that feels like that was intentional. 183 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into this with. 184 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reid in the new Lifetime 185 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: movie Hused the Karen Reid's story. All right, Katie, it's 186 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: so great to meet you. Thank you so much for 187 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: speaking with me today. 188 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 5: Of course, thank you for having me. 189 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: I just finished watching the movie, and I mean, I 190 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: don't even know where to begin, so I'll just start 191 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: by saying, you're like channeling her in a crazy way 192 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: where you actually your facial expressions and all. It's like 193 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: you completely transformed into this person. So I just want 194 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: to commend you for that. 195 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 5: Thank you saying that. Thank you. 196 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 6: I definitely it's interesting because it happened. So this movie 197 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 6: happened so quickly. I had like seventy two hours or something. 198 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're kidding to prepare. 199 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I basically just did a huge deep 200 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 6: dive and just like flooded myself with as much information 201 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 6: on the internet as I possibly could research and watched interviews, 202 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 6: read things like I just I completely. 203 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 5: Immersed myself into in it. 204 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 6: And I was also actually at the time, I was 205 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,359 Speaker 6: sick and I was lying back from Miami to LA 206 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 6: And when I got the call from my agent, my manager, 207 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 6: and I was like, can I let you guys know, 208 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 6: I'm like not really feeling been sick. And they were like, yeah, 209 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 6: you can let us know by the time you land, 210 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 6: because you need to start filming Monday. 211 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 5: And it was a Friday. 212 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 3: Oh, And I was like, okay. 213 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 6: I let me give me the flight at least so 214 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 6: to decide. And yeah, I mean I was very intrigued 215 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 6: by the story itself, by America's obsession story. 216 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had heard about it before you knew 217 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: Were you familiar with the case, were you following it 218 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: like everyone? 219 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 6: No? Oh, I actually didn't know about it at all. 220 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 6: Everybody else did. So I don't know if I live 221 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 6: under a rock or what's going on, But you know, 222 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 6: I was just I was just very intrigued by it. 223 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 6: And then I paid a lot of attention to her 224 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 6: mannerisms and her facial expression and her dialect and lack 225 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 6: there like her accent and lack thereof. Sometimes she has 226 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 6: an accent, I've when I was listening, and sometimes she didn't, 227 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 6: And so it all sort of it's like it all 228 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 6: happened the way it was supposed to happen, the universe 229 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 6: wanted it to happen, and being sick, you know, it 230 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 6: actually lended to the character, I think because she going 231 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 6: through that was pretty you know, run down. 232 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 2: Run down, exhausted. Yes, yeah, sure. 233 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: So even though she was eventually found not guilty obviously 234 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: of murder, she's currently facing a wrongful death suit and 235 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: her attorney, Alan Jackson, who is obviously famous for defending 236 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey Harvey Weinstein and was going to defend Nick 237 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: Reiner for the horrific murder of his parents, but he 238 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: has about out of that. 239 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: Do you in how he's going. 240 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: To also represent her in the civil case? This is 241 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: always a question when you're playing someone real, right, and 242 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: it's so present. I mean, Lifetime is known for making 243 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: these ripped from the headlines movies, but this is literally 244 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: happening as you're doing. 245 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 5: It, and it's still not over, and it's. 246 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 3: Still not over. 247 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy. 248 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: So how much did you feel like a responsibility to 249 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: do her a service? Obviously when you're playing and when 250 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: you have to kind of invest yourself in that person regardless, 251 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: but did you feel like any kind of real personal. 252 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: Feelings about this. 253 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: Like of how you wanted her to be seen, did 254 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: you want justice for her? Did any of that play 255 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: into how you played her? 256 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 6: I guess to be honest with you, Playing Karen, I 257 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 6: had to think like Karen and believe what Karen believes. 258 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 6: And I was asked this question, what is your opinion? 259 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 6: And the truth is is I don't. We wrapped in November, 260 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 6: and I had no I didn't really have that much 261 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 6: time to prepare, and I really just threw myself into 262 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 6: this character and it was so intense, and we finished 263 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 6: in November. And after I come off of a film, 264 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 6: especially something like that, it takes me time to decompress 265 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 6: and sure almost still processing, Yeah, because it wasn't. 266 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 5: That long ago. 267 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, So I haven't really even been able to inform 268 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 6: an opinion myself. I just know, thinking like Karen, portraying 269 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 6: her being sort of becoming her, I had to think 270 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 6: and believe what she did. And that's why it influenced 271 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 6: my personal opinion at least for a while. 272 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: Right. 273 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: There are so many elements of this I think that 274 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: made people just so obsessed with it. It sort of 275 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: has everything. I mean, first of all, they're all drinking, 276 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: everyone is drunk. There is a blizzard in a massive snowstorm, 277 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: a complicated relationship, like all of these things are so. 278 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: Just chock full of intensity that I you know, did 279 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: you have at. 280 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: Any points when you were going through it where you 281 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: thinking this is bananas? 282 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: Did this really happen? Like this is crazy? 283 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 6: I mean it is it is crazy, But again, like 284 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 6: I couldn't really form my own opinion on it. 285 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 5: I just had to throw myself into what into it? 286 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you know, I couldn't really question if did 287 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 6: it happen? 288 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 5: Did it not? I mean, well she did at one point. Yeah. 289 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 5: I just had to just go for it. 290 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: Right, I Mean, there are so many I also watched 291 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: the documentary part at least that the one that has 292 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: come out, as I'm sure there are a million more 293 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: that will come out, but where they really show you 294 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: all of the evidence and how just kind of failed 295 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: the whole investigation was And even as a person like 296 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: myself who clearly is not involved in law enforcement to 297 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: any degree, I was watching it, going how was this 298 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: allowed to happen? You know, how to carry getting blood 299 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: samples in a solo cup and the fact that they 300 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 1: just never investigated the people who were in the house 301 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: that night I just think that's so unbelievable. 302 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think the film shines a light 303 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 6: for me or like, you know, just on the complexity 304 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 6: of our legal system. 305 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 5: Yes, and. 306 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 6: I mean it is wild the way it all went down, 307 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 6: and it is sort of like unbelievable. 308 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 5: The Dixie Cups. 309 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I saw a woman wearing dixie cup ear ring, 310 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,239 Speaker 1: you know, like solo cup earrings, talking to someone in 311 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: the press like people have they just like jumped on 312 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: this bandwagon to support her. Did you ever come to 313 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: your own conclusions about what you think really happened. 314 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 6: It's really hard to to form an opinion of my 315 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 6: own when for over a month and a half, I well, 316 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 6: I guess it was a month or just over a month, 317 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 6: I had to believe what Karen believed. 318 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 5: So that's gonna. 319 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 6: Influence no matter what I think. If I were to 320 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 6: be able to have an opinion, it's just not correct. Yeah, exactly, 321 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 6: So I don't and personally, like again, like decompressing and 322 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 6: then processing is it takes it takes time. 323 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 5: It's going to influence no matter what. Yep. So I 324 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 5: don't think it's fair to say one way or another. 325 00:19:52,680 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 4: Right, So let's talk about how we all all actors 326 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 4: are always interested in playing you know, people that have. 327 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: Interesting stories and something you know, high stakes, and this 328 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: purpose person certainly has all of those things. 329 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 5: I mean she. 330 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: I think about this from a female standpoint in terms 331 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: of how we just want to like the press, if 332 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: this were a man would be so different then it 333 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: has been because she's a woman. The things that they 334 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: called her, well, from a cold blooded killer to escape 335 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: go to a whack job, and then saying she's also 336 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: a babe. Like I just I first of all, how 337 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: do you kind of or do you try to incorporate 338 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: all of those things into the character, and then also 339 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: how do you I would have a hard time, I think, 340 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: not really feeling like I wanted justice for this woman 341 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: in playing her, because I just feel like she's been 342 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, mischaracterized, and everybody has sort of feels free 343 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: to say so many things about her that again, I 344 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: just don't think that would happen if it was a man. 345 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with you, I don't think. I definitely 346 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 5: think it would be a different situation. 347 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 6: But again, like playing her, I couldn't let anything exterior influence, 348 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 6: if that makes sense, Like I'm playing this character so 349 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 6: I felt how probably she felt. When I mean, I 350 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 6: definitely felt how she felt when those words were being 351 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 6: said in courtroom. 352 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 5: And I felt for her because I was portraying her. 353 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, my version and my interpretation of her based off research. 354 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do find there. I really appreciated both in the. 355 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: Obviously in the reality of what happened in the trial, 356 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: but in the film also there was something really important 357 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: about making those witnesses actually say the words that they 358 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: had the audacity to text, the horrible things they said 359 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: about her. This is a man running the entire investigation. 360 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's absolutely outrageous. 361 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 5: And yeah, authentic. Yeah, yeah, yep, I appreciate. I appreciated 362 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 5: that too. 363 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 6: I saw the movie for the first time I want 364 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 6: to see I think it was yesterday or two days ago, 365 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 6: but yeah, it was. I appreciated how authentic it is 366 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 6: and it's great. Yeah, and I think Linda Lisa Hayter 367 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 6: did a fantastic job our director. I certainly couldn't have 368 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 6: done this without her and she I just again, I 369 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 6: had to just flood myself with information and then just 370 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 6: blindly trust. 371 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 3: Right, do you think that you know? 372 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're aware there was a huge social media 373 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: part of this that really got the word out to 374 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: millions of people about this case, and everybody's the ground 375 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: swell that happened. And I wonder if you either have 376 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: you already or I wonder if when this airs, because 377 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: we're talking before it premieres, but when this episode will 378 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: go up, the movie will already have premiered. So I'm 379 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: curious if you're going to hear from any of these people. 380 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you will. 381 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I try not to get again, just 382 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 6: as a creative type, I don't get caught up in 383 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 6: the social media as much as you think, as everybody 384 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 6: else may, I think it could be very toxic. I 385 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 6: don't allow myself to go scrolling trolling. Yeah, I'm like 386 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 6: it robs me from being present. Yes, creativity and learning 387 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 6: and I love learning is something that I love. And 388 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 6: instead of like looking at what somebody's doing on a Tuesday, 389 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 6: I just don't care. 390 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 5: Not that I don't care about those people. 391 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 6: I just when I if I know them, and when 392 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 6: I see them, when we catch up, we'll catch up, 393 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 6: hopefully in person, and I'll find out what they've been 394 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 6: doing on a Tuesday. 395 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: I mean, right, this is what is so crazy to 396 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: me because I feel similarly to you in that regard. 397 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: It seems to speak to that there is like a 398 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: real underbelly and a serious corruption in the mass Chusetts 399 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: Police Department. 400 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 2: I feel like that's what a lot of the people. 401 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: Are because I don't know how else you could get 402 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: so on board with something like These people feel like 403 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: it's personal to them. This Turtle boy have you Are 404 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: you aware of this person? He's in the movie. He 405 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: is a a blogger who basically turned himself into a 406 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: character in the case. 407 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 2: I mean, this guy just he had live streams. 408 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: Did these rabbit hole quote unquote investigations? I mean, did 409 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: you look at any of that coverage or have you 410 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: since seen any of it? 411 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 5: No? 412 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 6: I mean from what was I really tried to focus 413 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 6: on Karen and becoming Karen and what I found that 414 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 6: was interesting in doing that. You know, this whole thing 415 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 6: happened because a man was robbed of his life, John O'Keefe, 416 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 6: And from what I've learned, he was a really good man. 417 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 6: He took over his sister's kids and became their parent 418 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 6: because his sister passed away, and he. 419 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 5: Seems like a very good man. But there's not a 420 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 5: lot on it. 421 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 6: There's not that much on him, and that's what this 422 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 6: is about, and this person lost his life, and let's 423 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 6: I'm hoping people will take away from this movie like, 424 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 6: I hope it's almost like a tribute to him and 425 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 6: his life. 426 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 5: And I think Love did a great job. 427 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 6: I mean, that's what I'm hoping people will sort of realize. 428 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 5: I guess what it's all about. 429 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 2: I think that they do. 430 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 5: Not the Turtle Boys or yes, yes. 431 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: I think that that really comes across in the film 432 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: that because so he is somewhat lost in a lot 433 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: of this story and you're like, this is actually about 434 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: this man, and I think they the film really shows 435 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: that while their relationship was complicated, as most are to 436 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: some degree or another, you still see that these people 437 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: had a true bond and that they certainly loved one another, 438 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: as imperfect as that was. And I do think that 439 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: I really was glad to see that, you know, and 440 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: that she Karen is saying, I'm the only person who 441 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: actually is looking for justice for this man, Like that's 442 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: what we're doing here, right exactly? 443 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 3: Do you think that? 444 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: So, because over the course of the movie, it feels 445 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: like she's there are moments like when she's unsure of 446 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: her innocence and then sure, and a lot of that 447 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: has to do with the alcohol impairment. And do you 448 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: think that Karen ever had any true doubts about whether 449 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: or not she did this? 450 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 6: I think there was a moment she it's almost like 451 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 6: it's a it's gaslighting almost, It's like yeah, sure, yeah, yeah, 452 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 6: you're like, wait, questioning my own your own reality. 453 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 5: I think she was. But then I think she thought 454 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 5: about it and was like, wait. 455 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: A minute, I didn't know, right. 456 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 6: I Like, so it's like they were. It's like she 457 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 6: was gas lit in a way that's just like a 458 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 6: whole other. 459 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 3: Thing, right. 460 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: I think again that speaks to as women, we generally speaking, 461 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: are always much more able to say, oh, oh hold on, 462 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: was it my fault? And I really need to think 463 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: about this and look at that like we're a little 464 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: bit more willing to investigate ourselves and sort of be 465 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: self reflective. 466 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: And you know, again, I don't know if a man 467 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 2: would have done that. 468 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: Do you think if Karen read watches this, what do 469 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: you hope that she sees in your performance. 470 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 5: Authenticity as much as possible? 471 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 6: And I hope you know, honoring the story, honoring you know, her, 472 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 6: and and the way in the amount of time that 473 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 6: I had to prepare and hopefully flattered. 474 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were filming it, did you feel like, oh, 475 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: the world is invested in what we're doing right now, 476 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: Like did you I know, I'm sure that you felt 477 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: the responsibility to do justice to Karen and those things 478 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: when I'm wondering if you felt any you know, the 479 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: kind of broader feeling of. 480 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: People are obsessed with this, like that they are. 481 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 6: It's something I learned when I was doing research, and 482 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 6: I was fascinated by how obsessed America was. But that's 483 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 6: not that was like a thought that went in and 484 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 6: out and then because I had to again stay focused 485 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 6: on becoming her in a way. 486 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you did an amazing job, as I said, 487 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: and I you know, we we've never met before in person, 488 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: and so when I saw it, I was like, there 489 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: were moments I said before to one of the producers, 490 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: just your expressions in the courtroom, in those scenes especially, 491 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: I was like, this person is she is channeling her? 492 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: And I was so glad that I had known before. 493 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: It just is like you did a really beautiful job 494 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: and it's such a compelling story. 495 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 5: I appreciate that. Thank you. 496 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: You're welcome. It's true. 497 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 5: I'm like I put a lot. 498 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 3: Of hard work to it. It's clear. 499 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 5: Thank you for acknowledging that. I appreciate it's clear. 500 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: And so the movie premieres on January tenth, but start 501 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 1: streaming on January eleventh, and you all should watch it. 502 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: Accused the Karen read story on Lifetime. Thank you so much, Katie. 503 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: It was a pleasure meeting you, and I hope the 504 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: film does really well. 505 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Have a good 506 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 5: day too. 507 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to hear what cases you all are 508 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: interested in hearing about. What are you watching that you 509 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: want us to talk about. What actors or producers or 510 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: directors do you want to hear from? Hit us up 511 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: at our dms at Killer Thriller Pod on Instagram and TikTok. 512 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: And let us know. 513 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: Make sure to follow the pod on socials and subscribe 514 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: to Amy and TJ Resents wherever you listen to podcasts 515 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: that will wrap us up for today until next time.