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Speaker 2: We don't think you should do that type of stuff. Well,

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Speaker 2: How is it now being this? You know you're like that,

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Speaker 3: but not go.

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00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: We're getting absolutely nowhere with this one.

433
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: Oh man. I mean, look, thank god, you're gonna eat

434
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: canceling with that man. Here we go. That's it. It's

435
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: all over. I'm ready, you know. Thank God for my wife,

436
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 1: who's Irish Catholic, and she I always I always say,

437
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm this hot blooded Jewish kid, single mom over, I

438
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: talk about everything at nauseum. I always say that the

439
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: wonderful thing about my wife is her love language is silence,

440
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: and she has taught me. I always thought that. I'm like,

441
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes with a kid, you have to man

442
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: up and you have to show them whose boss, and

443
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: you have to like break their will a bit. And

444
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: she just said, no, we're not gonna do that. She's like,

445
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: cause they're gonna mimic all that. And I have friends

446
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: who yell at their kids like for everything, and you

447
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: see them reflect that behavior right back to them. So

448
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: my kid is far from getting away with anything. And

449
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: what I love about my wife and her family is

450
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: how how it's it sounds like a trite term, but

451
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: how polite they are, and when when you dig in deep,

452
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: like cause again, like my mom, some of my friends

453
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: and I will just like where we come from, damon

454
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: in New York, you talk shit, you feel free to

455
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: offer advice when it hasn't been asked for, right, Like,

456
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: that's that's how we that's how we grew up. But

457
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 1: my wife has taught me how to take a moment

458
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: and to meet them where they are and you know,

459
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean. Look, my son did not have

460
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: his iPad all weekend because you know, he was not

461
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: acting in the best way on a Friday night. And

462
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: that's okay, But I don't need to like throw out

463
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: this big boys his presentation that he's gonna then wind

464
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: up yelling at his teacher or a kid at school

465
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: or who.

466
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 2: Mass shuet, what did you do that you that he

467
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: has a you know, he lost a little bit of ipies.

468
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: I'll tell you it was funny. We had family in

469
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: town and I noticed or I was asking him. I said, Max,

470
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: come over, family's leading. Let's get a quick photo. And

471
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: he just was like, I don't want to be in

472
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: the photo. And I was like, I'll tell you what,

473
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm not dying to be in this photo, but we're

474
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: doing it. It's family and and he kind of sauntered

475
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: over and he wouldn't you know, he just looked miserable

476
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: in the photo. If we're being honest, and I had

477
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: a real conversation with him after I said, he loves

478
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: podcasts like I do, and he listens to kid podcasts

479
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: in the car.

480
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: The Arthur Podcast, And.

481
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: I said, Max, how many times do we listen to

482
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: the Arthur podcast? He's like, I don't know a hundred

483
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't love the Arthur podcast,

484
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: but I listened to it because I know you love it.

485
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: And that's what being in the family is about. It's

486
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: about compromise sometimes because the other person in the family

487
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: needs something. So when I asked you to be in

488
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: a photo, I understand you don't want to do it,

489
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: but you do it because I asked you. They say,

490
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: what good parenting is when your child has enough money

491
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: to pay for their own therapy.

492
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, then my mother was a great parent, you know.

493
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: So how do you get and and you know, I

494
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: want to I want to. I want to touch on

495
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: a little bit about about the guys and stuff like

496
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: that and why it is different. But what do you

497
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: think is your recipe for having so much success where

498
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: people want to see you so much on social media?

499
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: I know I opened up with the difference of my

500
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: social media your social media. I don't your data and

501
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: analytics side. At the end of the day too, What

502
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 2: is the success or the reason why they are drawn

503
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: to you? You believe because I know you know, you

504
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: know obviously some of these things that are really resonating.

505
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: What is the reason you think?

506
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: I think that people married themselves to me. The image

507
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: of me was something like Drake and Josh where I started,

508
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: which was so beloved, and people invited that show into

509
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: their home, and certainly as I got into my twenties,

510
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: I did that as a teenager. It's not uncommon for

511
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: people to look back at certain things when they were

512
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: a teenager and go, I don't want to talk about

513
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: that ever. But I had to embrace the power and

514
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: the value of what that offered and how much it

515
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: meant to people, and that was a huge springboard for me.

516
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: It with social media, I was uniquely a depth. I

517
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: would say it's social because I knew how to be

518
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: funny quickly, and I think you're rewarded in the algorithm

519
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: from being quick. And I also was able to accept

520
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: that even though it wasn't the Scorsese movie or the

521
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 1: cool TV show that maybe I was hoping for, and

522
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: that there was a little bit of a more division

523
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: when David, when you and I first met, and to

524
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: your credit, because you have always embraced new technology and

525
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: new trends like social media, there was a big distinction

526
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: between traditional and social. Now, I would say it's one,

527
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: but eight nine years ago when we met, it was

528
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: a new frontier, and so I would say being willing

529
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: to embrace it, being uniquely adept at it. And I

530
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: would say, David, and you probably would agree, is I

531
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: have friends with a following a tenth of my size,

532
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: but their engagement, the love they get from their audience

533
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: is far beyond what the engagement I'm getting, and that

534
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: value is huge.

535
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: Well, we don't know because it's not the numbers, really

536
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: is it. But but I gotta tell you, you know

537
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: your your you know the content you put out is

538
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: not it's not a car crash to me, And I

539
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: find that it's the ones with the car crashes, or

540
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 2: of course you have your uh sexy and beautiful people

541
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: or very uh there's there's some people who play a

542
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: really fine line which I like, which is very thought

543
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: Bethany is a thought provoking person that it's not necessarily

544
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: a car crash. But yeah, you can have something to

545
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: talk about tomorrow, yours. When I look at you, it's

546
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: it's humorous, it's funny as quick, but you're also a

547
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: warm place. You're warm destination of I feel comfortable here.

548
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: You know. I'm not sure if I'm looking to feel

549
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: good that day, but I know I'm not gonna feel bad.

550
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: You know, when I know that, it's just a warm huk, right,

551
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: you know, in a in a way, a warm, joyful hug.

552
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: It's like seeing a friends like, oh man, how you doing.

553
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: I think you have probably a high level of real, honest,

554
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: engaged people because I agree on the authenticity, you know,

555
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: So it's power.

556
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: I think there's a level you have to be willing

557
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: to grow and accept, right because it's a young man's game,

558
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: social media. And yet I've allowed my audience to tell

559
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: me throughout the years, like, you know, if having had

560
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: a bit of a very public physical transformation journey, I

561
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: would have these, you know, initially some very self deprecating humor,

562
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: and people eventually would be like, cut that out, You're

563
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: not that guy anymore, Like it doesn't work for you,

564
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, okay, message received. Sometimes I would

565
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: need to get the same comment for two years in

566
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: a row to finally change it. But I would And similarly,

567
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thirty seven, I have two kids, so

568
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: they'll tell me like, you're not nineteen, boss, you're thirty seven,

569
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: Like maybe don't do that trend, that one's not for you,

570
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: and I'll go message received and then I'll do something

571
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: that's relatable to my life that I'm a follow.

572
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: Where it was that trend you being not authentic, but

573
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: you were just so fought up and moving that moving

574
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: not the needle, but moving in your pace. Okay, you

575
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 2: know what yoh as in new saying going on?

576
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: I really like it.

577
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: I could jump on that rocket and then you didn't

578
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: realize that it wasn't necessarily on brand anymore to you.

579
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: I'm curious aware because knowing you that you know, you

580
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: just were very open about it.

581
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: Hey man, you know, I.

582
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: Want to do things that are authentic to me. Where

583
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: was that fine line is saying no, you don't know

584
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: that that is still authentic to me or I am

585
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: thirty thirty seven. Where's that fine line of listening to

586
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: who's saying it to you? Was it who says it

587
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: to you?

588
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: I think it's certainly who says it to me, and

589
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: I feel very lucky to be with someone who you know,

590
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: my wife is very candid and we grew up very

591
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: differently in that I grew up with a lot of

592
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: a lot of financial insecurity and she was lucky enough

593
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: to not, so she's not really motivated by money. And

594
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: it's something we talk about in therapy because it's not

595
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: okay with me. No, I'm kidding, but you know, I'm

596
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of that child actor energy,

597
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: which is like, you want another one boss, like bigger, faster, funnier.

598
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: Robert still like that Robert yorshek is all.

599
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: Amazing and he just doesn't and then sometimes he gos.

600
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: I licked a cat with a big tone on Shark

601
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: Tank in front of millions of millions of people. I

602
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: love it. I'll never get that back. And the cat

603
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: was more offended than I was. But he's sporadic.

604
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: It's you know, the thing that I've learned the most

605
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: over the last ten years is additioned through subtraction, and

606
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: that that is you know. Felonious Monk has that great

607
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: quote of the greatest artist is the one most like himself. Yeah,

608
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: and Miles Davis says it takes a long time for

609
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: someone to play like themselves. And that's what I had

610
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: to realize, was like I had to be enough, and

611
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't about adding all these extra layers and all

612
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: these mechanisms in which to try to people please or

613
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: to gain approval. It was like I had to trust

614
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: my instinct, my taste and make things that I thought

615
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: were compelling and that I was joyful when I was

616
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: doing it. What have you learned new.

617
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: Or new angles about yourself on social that you didn't

618
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: realize or you didn't think about, because I give you example, lately,

619
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: I've been doing like product reviews and I just do them,

620
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: and you don't go on shark thing. If you don't

621
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: like different around and looking under the hood of a

622
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: lot of products, you don't become a Cereal and Angel investor.

623
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 2: If you don't like unraveling the box of a lot

624
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: of products. You have a place filled with a bunch

625
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 2: of stuff like I do right now where I showed

626
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: you previously. If you don't have a lot of products

627
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: and you don't do that for fifteen years, but I

628
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: never put a camera on it. I just never thought

629
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: of it right, And then I started putting a camera

630
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: on it with no agenda. But I love going to

631
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: trade shows and walking up the boost. I love, you know,

632
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: Thank god I stopped drinking because when I when I

633
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: was drinking, I mean every morning, the Amazon boxes, I

634
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: have to order two, three of them. Oh my god,

635
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: I can't believe that does that. And I started to

636
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: just post these things. I don't know the company to

637
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: have no agenda with it, and people have been just

638
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: really going nuts over it, just nuts, And I realized

639
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: this is what I like to do and I will

640
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: never stop doing. I don't care what camera's a on me,

641
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: cameras all, it doesn't matter. You know, I went I

642
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: use before storage wars are out. I used to go

643
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: and find those storage auctions because I just want to

644
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 2: dig around the people. Shit.

645
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I just like it. I like auctions.

646
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: I have a whole but I have two hundred agors

647
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Speaker 2: and I got a whole bunch of stuff that I

648
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Speaker 2: overpaid for.

649
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: And I will never use.

650
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Speaker 2: I just like that type of stuff. What have you

651
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: discovered about yourself on social media? Because you know, as

652
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 2: I look at my social media, I say, okay, where

653
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: am I talking about the show? Where am I talking

654
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: about empowerment? Where am I still you know, being recognized

655
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: and letting people know there are social issues in there

656
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: because I'm a girl dad and want you to make

657
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: sure you understand that challenge women go through. I'm on

658
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Speaker 2: the pet Co board, I'm African American, you know, and

659
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 2: what you know, when am I talking about the everyday

660
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: man's plight or whatever it is? Right? Education, finance? So

661
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: I try to carve those things up. But when I

662
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: started doing this other stuff, more people got to you know,

663
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: more people really responded there. What have you ever hit

664
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Speaker 2: points like that? We said, man, this, oh look, this

665
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Speaker 2: is just me. Yeah it works.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean having a family and being a dad

667
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: will help to strip away a lot of your vanity.

668
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Speaker 1: But I think it's having a faith that the audience

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Speaker 1: is actually incredibly smart and they're ahead of you in

670
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: a lot of cases. And so you know, I have

671
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Speaker 1: been able to sort of transition. I look at things

672
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: that I made seven years ago. I look at my

673
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: book that I wrote three years ago, and I cringe

674
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: sometimes really, but it's a healthy cringe. I'm proud of it.

675
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: But you've grown, You've grown, or you did.

676
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: Right, it's a growth cringe. And so yes, the more

677
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: that I've embraced the fact that like, this is just

678
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: me now, and I could put together some false projection

679
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: and praying that it's relatable and that you like it.

680
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: I know some people who are uniquely gifted at creating

681
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: things that are for the people, and they're going to

682
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: love it. I don't know how to do that. I

683
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: only know how to make things that I think make

684
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: me laugh or that I think are entertaining. And the

685
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: more that I'm true to that voice, usually the more

686
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: success I have. And I have this buddy who he

687
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: got a cooking show. He's a great chef, and he

688
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: had this social media presence that was so in conflict

689
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: with who he was. It just was very generic. Sacharine

690
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: just like, hey, folks, like happy Monday. Here we are, like,

691
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: do you have a case of the Monday's comment below?

692
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was like, you knocked out a guy

693
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Speaker 1: in front of the Venice Sphere two weeks ago because

694
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Speaker 1: he rode his surfboard over your foot in the water,

695
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you don't have to, you know, challenge

696
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: people to a fight. I was like, but that that sparkle,

697
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: that that grit, that flavor, that's you, babe. And that's attractive.

698
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Speaker 1: You know, if you figure out just the way in

699
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Speaker 1: which you can release it in a way that won't.

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Speaker 2: Get you canceled. I totally I couldn't, you know. I

701
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Speaker 2: have a lot of people in my life who are

702
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: trying their best to be on sofa and not because

703
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: they want to beat stars, but they want to be

704
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: They know that they need to do well. They believe

705
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 2: they need to do more, so they just can grow

706
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: with the times and that you know, you know that

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Speaker 2: that that not being authentic when they're just a totally

708
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: different person. Because if people don't realize the driest, boringest

709
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: looking type of person is hilarious, you know, you don't

710
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: need to put that on.

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Speaker 1: I'm following this guy on TikTok right now. He literally

712
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: goes out into the wilderness in Freezing Adventures and he's building.

713
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Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up in a studio apartment in

714
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Speaker 1: New York City. I've never even I look at a

715
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Speaker 1: campsite and I break out of eives. It ain't happening

716
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Speaker 1: for me, But I'm fascinating because he's so uniquely himself

717
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Speaker 1: that I can't I can't.

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Speaker 2: Stop watching well with this ability, and I mean right now.

719
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Speaker 2: I think you've been you know, you've been doing this

720
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Speaker 2: over twenty years as an actor and bringing people so

721
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Speaker 2: much joy. Dep how much producing do you do at

722
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Speaker 2: the moment. I don't you know, I don't do a

723
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Speaker 2: lot of your own shows.

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Speaker 1: Obviously none, I would say, you know, not much.

725
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Speaker 2: With them bringing back so many things would and I'm

726
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Speaker 2: sure you've been offered this, Why because of such a

727
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 2: below show? Why would you not executive producer and bring

728
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: back you know, Drake and Josh and Fine because with

729
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: the seventeen million followers and find the new Drake and Josh.

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Speaker 1: I would say again, I mean, so much of my

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Speaker 1: life has not been about going backwards because I have

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Speaker 1: had to grow. What do they say, let go or

733
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Speaker 1: be dragged?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Relentless? Growth has been the through line throughout my life.

736
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Speaker 1: So I for me, I've always felt like I don't

737
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Speaker 1: want to mess with something that meant a lot to

738
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Speaker 1: a lot of people, and it doesn't terribly interest me.

739
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: But you know I've I've done plenty of remakes and

740
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: some have been good, some less good, and they've meant

741
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Speaker 1: a lot to a lot of people. So I hear

742
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: where you're coming from. I'm just not sureying to be

743
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Speaker 1: very interested.

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Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't call it a straight question. People

745
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: ask me to bring back Booble when I go. You know,

746
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 2: there's certain people who may or may not be able

747
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 2: to look at a solution and turn that solutionto thirty

748
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: billion dollars annually. I love my brand.

749
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Speaker 1: I only ran out four.

750
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Speaker 2: I have three other great partners and it's done certain ways,

751
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: but I can't look at that FB again in so

752
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: many ways. I can license it and as part of

753
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: the culture, but for me to go and I think,

754
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 2: whether it's podcast, whether it's music, and often fashed unless

755
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: you're talking ladies fashion of mine. So it's a young man,

756
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: a young woman is gay, right, you know. And it's

757
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: moving so fast. But I just want to know where

758
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Speaker 2: you were with that, because yeah, it's the same thing.

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00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: I love my brand and it's so near. Dear, He's

760
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: got me so many plies, but I can never I

761
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Speaker 2: say embraces to the point where I'm going hard every

762
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Speaker 2: day all day and look in the new co I

763
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: need young blood and I am well going forward. There's

764
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: so many people going to be listening to us right now.

765
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: Where that is about friends, that's about family, that's about business,

766
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Speaker 2: that's about all kinds of relationships they have, or it's

767
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: about careers, like like, well we have. I wonder how

768
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Speaker 2: many understand you can't go backwards.

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Speaker 1: I would say probably less than we would hope. But

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Speaker 1: that's why I like love Andre three thousand, who is like,

771
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm fifty, I don't have much to rap about, but

772
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: here's this fluid album. I'm like, that's break.

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00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: He's still Andre and I have no idea what you know?

774
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: When that was talking.

775
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Speaker 1: Most depth, yeah, yeah see yah seen bag.

776
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: And you know, and obviously hip hop origin is a

777
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: very homophobic you know, or and hip hop the origin

778
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: of it is battles, right, legendary iced ty and Coke

779
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Speaker 2: iced Tea against ll cool J and Kris Swan and

780
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: Biggie obviously Biggie and Puck and all that. And they said,

781
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: you're like, you know, there's two people they know never

782
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: want to battle. You never want to battle. First of all,

783
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 2: they all know that Andre three thousand, you don't want

784
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: to battle a guy who's gonna beat you in a blouse.

785
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: You just don't want that to happen. That's awesome, and

786
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: then believe it or not as much as there's poppy songs.

787
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: You never want to battle pit Bull because he's a

788
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: street rapper and he may want to do the oh

789
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: tell bo bo bou, but he will rip your ass apart.

790
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: And I thought about how amazing and legendary Andre three

791
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 2: thousand his and that he did movies. But what did

792
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: he go? Why did he just decide I'm a chill

793
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: with that, I'm not even gonna do movies. What happened?

794
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: I know it goes totally all the topic here, but.

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00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: What happened I don't know. I mean, his last album

796
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: is arguably one of the greatest albums but hip hop

797
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: albums of the last thirty years, and you know, high respect.

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00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: I love when people go I don't need to be saturated.

799
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: You know, I can pick my spots. I can come

800
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: in and out of celebrity in the public life every

801
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: five to ten years as I am inspired. And he

802
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: just seems like a guy who waits to be inspired.

803
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. I met him once I was sixteen,

804
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: and I just had all the bravado of a sixteen

805
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 1: year old kid star, all hyped up on carbs and hope,

806
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, mister three thousand

807
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: I am a big fan and he couldn't have been calling. Now.

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Speaker 2: Listen, man, it's always been cashing up with you, and

809
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: I love tim moments that you share with us as

810
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: being a dad being, you know, and people take it

811
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: too lightly about being authentic about so challenge yourself and

812
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: checking yourself at the highest level of somebody and saying,

813
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: you know what, I either didn't show up in the

814
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 2: past wrong or you know what, it's my ego. I'm

815
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: gonna smap all that aside and I'm going to humble myself.

816
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: And now you're an op and eye. I'm you obviously

817
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: have this amazing podcast, and then you're a good buddy

818
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 2: of mine. We don't speak each to each other often.

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Speaker 2: I think we follow each other from Afar and I

820
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: love to see how you growing and I wish you

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Speaker 2: all the best and I can't wait to get into

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Speaker 2: another conversation. Maybe see you when I'm out in California.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Damon always. I feel the same, and come on,

824
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Speaker 1: good Guys podcast. We would love to have you.

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Speaker 2: I would love to man, I would love to go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you later. That Moment with Damon John is a

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Speaker 2: production of the Black Effect Podcast Network for more podcasts

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Speaker 2: from the Black Effect Podcast Network, Visit the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite show

830
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Speaker 2: and don't forget to subscribe to and rate the show.

831
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Speaker 2: And of course you can't all connect with me on

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Speaker 2: any of my social media platforms. At the Shark, Damon

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Speaker 2: spelled like Raymond, but what a d