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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It's Thursday, November eighteenth, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number sixty four. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, live from the SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: Nick sixty four. Wow, I'm gonna have to tell a story.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, that's a new thing for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell a story with this. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like two thousand and twelve, maybe eleven to them
Speaker 1: twelve where in a training camp in ox Narn't. So
Speaker 1: we're sitting there practice, you know, Jason Garrett likes to
Speaker 1: have a little music going. Todd Archer, Oh god, who's
Speaker 1: next to me? We're just watching practice and then you know,
Speaker 1: we're out in California and they're playing California knows how
Speaker 1: to party, right, So I don't know if I did this,
Speaker 1: or Todd did this. I think I would do this,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem like a Todd kind of it doesn't.
Speaker 1: But I think he did. I might have just taken
Speaker 1: it to the next verse or two. So we're just
Speaker 1: sitting there practice and he just named Terrey Holland as
Speaker 1: the starter. So practice is going on, you know, and
Speaker 1: they got the music going and one of us just said,
Speaker 1: Terrey Holland is now start. Oh, this is a clean version.
Speaker 1: Many Holland is now the start. You know in the
Speaker 1: city city of oxnarn't. He keeps on blocking. He keeps
Speaker 1: on blocking. It was funny. It was a lot of
Speaker 1: funnier at the time. You gonna do those songs block
Speaker 1: block it entree this week there you goo, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: it was funny. It's funny. A lot of people in
Speaker 1: the every year now you talk to different people that
Speaker 1: are still there covering. They still when that song comes on,
Speaker 1: everyone's like, Monterrey Holland. Yeah, he was awesome. He was
Speaker 1: a cool dude, and you know, he was just a starter.
Speaker 1: There's different versions of it, but the version heard a
Speaker 1: different version you heard version, But okay, that's you know,
Speaker 1: there's always a radio edit and then there's a different version.
Speaker 1: It's a good bliss. That's good point another I got
Speaker 1: another story about him. Sure, why not? I took my
Speaker 1: little girl to Disney on ice one year, like a
Speaker 1: hundred dollars worth of Disney gear, you know, Cinderella sword
Speaker 1: and wand and all this stuff. Twenty dollars tone whatever
Speaker 1: it was. Rapunzel had a wig. Yeah, okay, And I
Speaker 1: sent a picture. You took a picture since my momma
Speaker 1: no response. Two hours finally realized I actually sent it
Speaker 1: to Monterrey Holland said on my mom I don't even
Speaker 1: know why I had a number. Yeah, he never responded
Speaker 1: to that. I don't know anyways, love Montre Holland. He
Speaker 1: keeps on blocking. Nick keeps yesterday to tell me this,
Speaker 1: and I started thinking this song. It was in my head. Everybody, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because everybody knows that's like Montrey Holland. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: been the song. And I do apologize for the people
Speaker 1: that I didn't pick. Larry Cole yesterday sixty three. Wow,
Speaker 1: did you get a lot of those? It did a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, he actually knocked on my door one time.
Speaker 1: Sixty three Larry Cole comes to my house weird. It
Speaker 1: was kind of weird. But yeah, see you want to
Speaker 1: tell me why you're always having weird runnings with street.
Speaker 1: But like Nick's always like like he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: almost hit that guy with my car. He had almost
Speaker 1: hit Kellen More in the car. And there's no doubt
Speaker 1: I was driving. He was running and you know, just
Speaker 1: one of the weird things right right out here, right
Speaker 1: out at the start, he was running. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I can't just run over here, but he was
Speaker 1: running in the street and in the street, well in
Speaker 1: the sidewalk. Yeah, but the driveway sidewalk runs is one
Speaker 1: of my biggest fears in life too. You know, like
Speaker 1: when you're trying to turn like left onto a street
Speaker 1: and you're like looking, make sure you're clear here, You're clear.
Speaker 1: It's always the pedestrian that's like running, you know, like
Speaker 1: you or somebody like you know, you always have the dollars.
Speaker 1: It's almost happened to me before you right, you know,
Speaker 1: because you're not thinking about them, You're thinking of the street,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I kind of did that and
Speaker 1: this guy I was like, it looks like Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: So I mean almost it Kellen could have affected the
Speaker 1: whole number one offense in the league. So who writes
Speaker 1: that article? Nick I don't work here, weren't care Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com responsible for offener writer. I might email
Speaker 1: you and be like, look, I know this is a
Speaker 1: tough time, but I ain't writing this. Come on, help
Speaker 1: me out as as an outgoing present to us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why did you take care of this one? All right?
Speaker 1: Then they're contributing writer then Nicky, Yeah, right there you go.
Speaker 1: All right, um, let's let's jump in and get some
Speaker 1: some cowboys talk going here. We got in the second segment,
Speaker 1: as we do all the time. We got Bucky brook
Speaker 1: Joint Rocky Brooks joining us. We'll talk about the Kansas
Speaker 1: City defense versus the Cowboys offense during that segment. But
Speaker 1: let's first start with some injuries. Are like, it's still
Speaker 1: in your head? Is in there? This is why you
Speaker 1: wanted to have some music like the music licensing. Obviously
Speaker 1: we got some issues. But I apologize to Tom Rafferty,
Speaker 1: the former center for the years. He puts a really
Speaker 1: good player. There's an always an answer. But to me,
Speaker 1: montre Holland was got Holland. All right, let's get a
Speaker 1: catch up on Tyren Smith. Where is he? What's he doing?
Speaker 1: It's good? He had a limited practice yesterday. He's gonna
Speaker 1: do the same thing today. Um, like I said yesterday,
Speaker 1: Like Mike McCarthy's not gonna tell us how much he
Speaker 1: does during team but the arrow is pointing up it is, Um,
Speaker 1: but I didn't even do that on purpose. Good job. Um,
Speaker 1: today's the padded day. Today's Mike said it today himself.
Speaker 1: It's the heavy lifting day. So if he has a
Speaker 1: good day today, that'll be a really good indicator. And
Speaker 1: I I think that he will. You think that he will?
Speaker 1: You think I think he's going to play in this game.
Speaker 1: I already said that this week. Okay, yeah, cool. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about Greg Zerline. He's actually returning from COVID today. Um,
Speaker 1: what do you think the Cowboys or what do you
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys should do with Liam hava La? Who
Speaker 1: is he on the practice He moved? He moved back
Speaker 1: to keep him, keep him keep on practice? Not you
Speaker 1: got I hate to sound glib, but there's sixteen spots
Speaker 1: like you don't need. You don't need every guy on
Speaker 1: the practice squad to like be contribute, especially the team's
Speaker 1: fairly healthy, right, Now, if you saw the practice report yesterday,
Speaker 1: Mike was joking about that at the end of his
Speaker 1: press conference. It's Tyran and then everybody else is a
Speaker 1: full participate. So I know they've got a few guys
Speaker 1: on IR, but they're not very banged up in terms
Speaker 1: of the guys that are available. So yeah, keep an
Speaker 1: extra kicker on the practice squad. Why not? Yes, you
Speaker 1: have a big practice squad. Plus you have a guy.
Speaker 1: You have an offensive lineman that doesn't take up a
Speaker 1: spot in Isaac number sixty? How did I do with that?
Speaker 1: This is fine? Is like if people like to really
Speaker 1: emphasize certain things, which I thought, that's what the that's
Speaker 1: what the accent men. Yeah, at least Isaac A. Larkin
Speaker 1: who's painfully white. Okay, that's what we're dealing with here.
Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody is said that. Um, I did want
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit. Let's go back a little
Speaker 1: bit to the offensive line. And I'm gonna ask Bucky
Speaker 1: about this, but but I want to get you guys's
Speaker 1: opinion on it as well. Um, this week, Dallas is
Speaker 1: facing some defensive tackles that that are pretty good. You
Speaker 1: got Chris Jones, you got Jarren Reid. They moved Chris
Speaker 1: Jones around a bit, but both those guys can line
Speaker 1: up in the middle. They're right now leading Kansas City
Speaker 1: and quarterback kits with nine and eight. How concerned are
Speaker 1: you with that matchup, particularly with the interior part of
Speaker 1: this offensive line? Obviously we're not talking about Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: We're talking about Connor Williams, We're talking about Tyler Beatish.
Speaker 1: How concerned are you with that matchup and those guys
Speaker 1: being able to get that penetration up the middle that
Speaker 1: can sometimes create some real problems for quarterbacks? Eight? Eight
Speaker 1: at ten concerned level? Okay, I mean we have to
Speaker 1: explain why. Well, this is a show where we do that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, I mean hasn't been watching, I mean,
Speaker 1: who hasn't seen I mean it's been holding fifty two.
Speaker 1: I mean it's taking over holding seventy five. Back in
Speaker 1: the eighties when Philpots Derek used to do it, used
Speaker 1: to be holding number seventy five every time they played
Speaker 1: the Giants he was. Now it's holding fifty two. So
Speaker 1: let's you know. Yeah, I mean either either you move
Speaker 1: li Ale Colums over to guard, or if you don't
Speaker 1: do it, you just hold your breath and hopefully he
Speaker 1: didn't hold Chris Jones all game. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: ask you guys this the other day, but you guys
Speaker 1: kept talking and talking, so I just never did. I
Speaker 1: sat hearing in silence, but I did have the question
Speaker 1: in my head. We were talking about the line and
Speaker 1: we were talking about Connor, and it just makes me wondering.
Speaker 1: I know this coaching staff is not necessarily afraid to
Speaker 1: make changes. We've seen it happen, but it makes me
Speaker 1: wonder until as long as they're winning games, and as
Speaker 1: long as like you don't get someone hitting dagged really
Speaker 1: hard and you're like, okay, that's it, you're out put
Speaker 1: someone else in to what extent? Or like, what does
Speaker 1: it need to really take for them to make a
Speaker 1: move like that and put someone else instead of Carner
Speaker 1: Williams Or do they just keep like, okay, we'll take
Speaker 1: on whatever penalties and okay, not every pocket is going
Speaker 1: to be completely clean for that you might have to
Speaker 1: get out and go the other way and things like that.
Speaker 1: But as long as they're winning, it's like, okay, when
Speaker 1: when do we fix this, or if if they do
Speaker 1: want to, I think I think when you have a
Speaker 1: better option if when you have a better option, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if if if they believe like O'Collins,
Speaker 1: moving to guard where he hasn't done it in five
Speaker 1: or six years is a better option. I mean, and
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to do that until Tyrn
Speaker 1: Smith is ready to go and available, you know, or
Speaker 1: if they do that at all. Rob made a good
Speaker 1: point there, But when do you just say, hey, we're
Speaker 1: good here on left tackle. Ever, I don't think you will.
Speaker 1: I think you have to have three good tackles. Now.
Speaker 1: If Tye and Seky factored back into this, that be different.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if he does right now. So
Speaker 1: I think that they feel like they've got three tackles,
Speaker 1: and I think they I mean, you're living in the
Speaker 1: harsh reality of the NFL. I was talking about this
Speaker 1: earlier today. You don't. It's hard to have five offensive
Speaker 1: linemen that you feel great about, all of them in
Speaker 1: this league. The Cowboys were very fortunate that in fourteen
Speaker 1: and sixteen they really had that, Like they great wall
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. It's hard to pull off. And
Speaker 1: so I mean, if they want to give Connor mc
Speaker 1: govern a shot, I'm fine with that. Honestly, it doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me, but they see these practices, they might not
Speaker 1: feel that he's up to it. And I can't just
Speaker 1: hammer the table and be like, you're definitely making a mistake.
Speaker 1: Like odds are, that's probably going to be the weak
Speaker 1: link on your offensive line no matter what you do.
Speaker 1: And every team in the league can probably relate to
Speaker 1: that to some degree where it's like, yeah, our pick
Speaker 1: a position. For some teams it's right tackle. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a mess over there, right, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: There's been more talk, I think over the last several
Speaker 1: weeks on Connor Williams and his issues, and not so
Speaker 1: much that I've really heard or are seen regarding Tyler Biottish.
Speaker 1: Has he played better or is it just a situation
Speaker 1: where Connor's really a problem and so sometimes the problem
Speaker 1: gets all the attention when Tyler's having his issues too,
Speaker 1: but everybody's just focused on Connor. I think he's played better.
Speaker 1: I think Tyler Biottish has cleaned up his game, and
Speaker 1: that's which I'm not hating on us. It's our job.
Speaker 1: But like when you're talking about this every day and
Speaker 1: reacting to each and every game, That's why I always
Speaker 1: say like a season is a living, breathing thing, like
Speaker 1: guys are gonna get better, Guys are gonna go through slumps,
Speaker 1: units are gonna get hurt. It's all part of it.
Speaker 1: But I really think Tyler Biottish has played well this
Speaker 1: last month or so. And remember back when everybody was
Speaker 1: worried about him, it was, well, this guy's only started
Speaker 1: ten or twelve times in the league. You know, he's
Speaker 1: still learning how to do this stuff. And so it's
Speaker 1: encouraging to think that. And I'm not saying he's Travis Frederick,
Speaker 1: but I think he has risen up to a consistent
Speaker 1: level of play over this last month or so. The
Speaker 1: way you ask the question should tell you enough, because
Speaker 1: it's like we're he's not doing anything that really stands out,
Speaker 1: or you don't see Dak just like kind of almost
Speaker 1: fumbling the ball right there with the snap. So the
Speaker 1: fact that we're not talking about is should be enough
Speaker 1: for you to say, Okay, he's handling the job good enough.
Speaker 1: And I also think it has a lot to do
Speaker 1: with his matchups. Right It's it's gonna be moments when
Speaker 1: he's having to play a Vita via type player, a
Speaker 1: guy that's really strong, that's gonna line up on the nose,
Speaker 1: and because a lot of times the center is really
Speaker 1: kind of helping out either to the left or the
Speaker 1: right side. It's when you run up against that team,
Speaker 1: you know where you're gonna line up a nose on
Speaker 1: the center, and he's gonna go at the center and
Speaker 1: a strong one. I think that we've seen where Tyler
Speaker 1: typically has his issues. I will say this, going back
Speaker 1: to your original question, I think Chris Jones is one
Speaker 1: of the most underrated players in the I ral. I
Speaker 1: was talking to somebody of friend of mine last night
Speaker 1: about how, of all, for all the credit that Chase
Speaker 1: Young and Montes Sweat have gotten over the years, Jonathan
Speaker 1: Allen wrecked Tampa Bay's game plan. That's another guy that
Speaker 1: we're familiar with who has the potential to do that
Speaker 1: type of stuff. And yeah, and I want to ask
Speaker 1: Bucky about this. I'm not going to pretend to know,
Speaker 1: but it seems like a storyline up there is Jones
Speaker 1: has been bouncing around a little bit more like they've
Speaker 1: been playing it at him and end more often than
Speaker 1: they have in the past. And so I wonder, what
Speaker 1: do you do in this matchup. I feel I would
Speaker 1: want him playing against Connor and Tyler. Yeah, absolutely if
Speaker 1: I were the chief, so I would be like, get
Speaker 1: in there and wreck that. Between him and Read, I
Speaker 1: would be like, those are your targets. Goal attack them
Speaker 1: right here, you know. And and yeah, he's he's scary.
Speaker 1: I mean he I don't want to say he won
Speaker 1: them that Super Bowl because they have mahomes, but like
Speaker 1: he made some game changing plays in that game. He
Speaker 1: is a phenomenal player. Yeah, all right, we're gonna take
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks of NFL Network. We'll talk Casey defensive versus
Speaker 1: Dallas offense. Will be the you that when we come
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Speaker 1: are joined right now by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little Kansas City defense versus the
Speaker 1: Dallas offense today, and Bucky, I was looking at the
Speaker 1: numbers on this defense right now. They are ranked twenty
Speaker 1: six in rushing yards per temp, giving up four point
Speaker 1: six yards per temp, and thirtieth in net passing yards
Speaker 1: per temp giving up seven point four yards. Obviously not great.
Speaker 1: Is there one thing that is more of an opportunity
Speaker 1: for Dallas in the other run versus past, Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you got to prove both areas. I think
Speaker 1: if the Dallas Cowboys, you have to come into the
Speaker 1: game thinking that you have to run it. Not only
Speaker 1: running it necessarily for yards because you feel good about
Speaker 1: ze Kelley and Tony Pollard. But I think this is
Speaker 1: a game where you want to control the tempo. In
Speaker 1: the investor where you can join the temple is the run,
Speaker 1: the ball drained the clock, not explode your defense to
Speaker 1: a ton of offensive players from the Kannas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I think the running game is curly could that strategy
Speaker 1: because you don't necessarily want this to be a shootout
Speaker 1: against kann City Chiefs. That seems odd to me. Just
Speaker 1: when you when you're considering the number one scoring offense
Speaker 1: in the league, the number one offense total yards in
Speaker 1: the league. Um, you know what, why why would you say?
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you think Kansas City wouldn't want to do
Speaker 1: the same. On the other end, are you saying Kansas
Speaker 1: City's offense is more explosive than the Cowboys. No, I'm
Speaker 1: saying I will worry more so just about protecting my defense.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I give the defense
Speaker 1: an opportunity to win the game. If we think about
Speaker 1: it from a complimentary football standpoint, I mean, Kevin working
Speaker 1: daveled up and they can throw it all over the yard.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you want to necessarily have
Speaker 1: a forty five or forty two game against the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs. Like we can say that they're struggling their
Speaker 1: six and four, they're finding their way. But that quarterback
Speaker 1: on the other end is really really good, and I
Speaker 1: think Dak Prescott is good too. But I think if
Speaker 1: I'm managing the team from the head coaching spot, what
Speaker 1: is the best way for us to win? But the
Speaker 1: best way that Dallas has always won traditionally over the
Speaker 1: last decade has been when their offense dictates the term.
Speaker 1: They run out to a lead, they run the ball out,
Speaker 1: they run the clock out, and then they keep the
Speaker 1: defense off the field. I think that's how they want
Speaker 1: to play. I don't think you want the Cowboys defense
Speaker 1: playing seventy five snaps against cal Mahomes a company because
Speaker 1: at some point the lack of pass rush will allow
Speaker 1: him to make too many big plays. Buck. We were
Speaker 1: just talking about this on the first segment. Chris Jones
Speaker 1: kind of seems like he's bouncing around on this Kansas
Speaker 1: City defense. What what do they have him doing right now?
Speaker 1: What do you expect he's going to do on Sunday.
Speaker 1: When we started out the season with Chris Jones playing
Speaker 1: in they wanted to have him on one end, Frank
Speaker 1: Clark on the other end, and it was okay, but
Speaker 1: he was kind of like a fish out of water.
Speaker 1: Team started running right at him. He wasn't comfortable and
Speaker 1: despite all the immense talent that he has, he just
Speaker 1: didn't have the same kind of impact. When they are,
Speaker 1: they have the flexibility to be able to kick him
Speaker 1: back inside. They traded for Melvin Ingram, they have Alex
Speaker 1: Opa for so you probably see Jones more inside than outside.
Speaker 1: And when he's inside, he's a dominant player. He's as
Speaker 1: good as he's ever been. Yeah, Bucky, last week we
Speaker 1: saw that always off the bag, get on that field
Speaker 1: and just have fun. A lot of energy, just having fun,
Speaker 1: a lot of creative plays from Kellen Moore. Is this
Speaker 1: a week that they just kind of go in being
Speaker 1: themselves once again, or maybe Kellen Moore just kind of
Speaker 1: solidifies a little more and like limits this play to
Speaker 1: keep it more clean. Not clean. But how do you
Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for? Um, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't think of the word in English? Worked clean well,
Speaker 1: but it's not clean. But you know my point, and
Speaker 1: I give the point. I think I think here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I think Kellen Moore has to be ready to call
Speaker 1: the game that can go in a couple of different directions.
Speaker 1: He has to be able to have enough plays on
Speaker 1: the car. Sheat to be able to handle if it
Speaker 1: becomes a shootout. He also has to have enough on
Speaker 1: the call sheet where he can control it if things
Speaker 1: are going the way the Cowboys want. I think part
Speaker 1: of the job of offensive coordinated is to be able
Speaker 1: to be number and flexible and then he kind of
Speaker 1: figured out as the game is going and so there's
Speaker 1: a plan A. But think he also has to have
Speaker 1: playing BNC. But I think the emphasis from the Cowboys
Speaker 1: standpoint is always on the clean game, like if they
Speaker 1: can avoid the turnovers and they can fly in the
Speaker 1: way to get the ball into the hands of their
Speaker 1: playmakers early and often, you want to do that. And
Speaker 1: I think this is a game where taking get big
Speaker 1: games stars dictate the outcomes and so Ceedee Lamb and
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper, Ezekie Elliott, look Tony Pollard and Michael Gallaty
Speaker 1: also after a rolls. But I think this is if
Speaker 1: we were playing a video game of Madden Man. Just
Speaker 1: get the ball to your best players over and over
Speaker 1: and over again. At some point they will make something
Speaker 1: big happen. Yeah, I'm gonna go back a little bit
Speaker 1: to that conversation we're having on Chris Jones, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw in Jarreen Reid as well. They are both
Speaker 1: they're both leading that team and quarterback hits with nine
Speaker 1: and eight, respectively. What kind of when you think about
Speaker 1: them and you think about the matchup on the other
Speaker 1: side of the Cowboys with Connor Williams and Tyler Beotish,
Speaker 1: what kind of challenges do they present to Dallas, particularly
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of the strength there in the middle,
Speaker 1: when they decide to push Chris Jones down inside. What
Speaker 1: kind of a challenge is that present for Dallas. It's
Speaker 1: a big challenge. I mean, I heard you guys talking
Speaker 1: about Tyler guard is playing better, and we know what
Speaker 1: color Williams is. I mean, look, it's an issue. It's
Speaker 1: an issue inside if those guys get going, and I
Speaker 1: think the first quarter will kind of dictate everything. If
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are playing on the other side of the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage on the offense, then it's going well
Speaker 1: because they're creating a push. But if Jared Reid and
Speaker 1: Chris Jones are having their way early, particularly on the inside,
Speaker 1: it's problematic because what it does is it disrupts the
Speaker 1: rhythm of the passing game because now Dak Prescott can't
Speaker 1: throw from in the middle of the pocket. He's having
Speaker 1: to move around and anytime the quarterback starts moving around
Speaker 1: a lot of times the accuracy begins to wayne because
Speaker 1: you're not in a comfortable spot that into your three.
Speaker 1: They got to play well. Because they don't play well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a long day for the Cowboys. Do
Speaker 1: you think this is another reason why running the ball
Speaker 1: seems to be a better option for Dallas, at least
Speaker 1: establishing the run so you don't get in situation where
Speaker 1: those guys are just being able to just kind of
Speaker 1: run after the quarterback. I mean, look, I want them
Speaker 1: to run it, but I don't necessarily means you got
Speaker 1: to come out in the first twenty players have to
Speaker 1: be all runs. I think at some point you have
Speaker 1: to be able to run it when everyone in the
Speaker 1: stadium knows that you're running it. I think a Comfortbay
Speaker 1: strategy would be if they could come out early throwing,
Speaker 1: because you've seen the Cowboys do this, throw early, run late,
Speaker 1: and the first quarter, come out getting the ball outside,
Speaker 1: make them run from sideline to sideline to also tire
Speaker 1: down Christ Jones and there and remade them chase the
Speaker 1: guys on the perimeter. And then as you settle into
Speaker 1: the game and the end of the first quarter, second quarter,
Speaker 1: then you begin to have a steady dose of Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliot and Tony Pollen and those things. The running has
Speaker 1: to be effective in the second half because in the
Speaker 1: second half, if you're up, you have to be able
Speaker 1: to control it. You got to be able to run it.
Speaker 1: When everyone knows a man's a critical situation, they're trying
Speaker 1: to run the clock out, you have to be able
Speaker 1: to do it. So that's what I mean. I would say,
Speaker 1: just keep an eye on the attempts more so than
Speaker 1: the yards. If the Cowboys get over thirty attempts, then
Speaker 1: the game is under control in their playing the game
Speaker 1: the way they want to is Kansas City's secondary as
Speaker 1: easy to explain as Daniel Soarson Sorensen wasn't up to
Speaker 1: a starting job and they got him out of there
Speaker 1: and they're playing better or is there more to it
Speaker 1: than that? I mean, it was a little bit of
Speaker 1: where's wall though. They would kind of find him early
Speaker 1: and often and go at him. He does some good
Speaker 1: things for them at times, but being in coverage down
Speaker 1: after down is not his forte and so when they
Speaker 1: get him off the field, you have one thornhill. You
Speaker 1: have tim Matthew, you have a young kid on the outside, Snea.
Speaker 1: Those guys are playing. Okay, Hughes, who Jay traded for
Speaker 1: for Minnesota, is someone who is vulnerable. So it's not
Speaker 1: just that is them also trying to pick up Spags
Speaker 1: complex coverages because the scheme that they played, man, they
Speaker 1: kind of threw it at you. Because all Spags is
Speaker 1: wanting is a negative play. Each drive, He's trying to
Speaker 1: get a sack, something that pushed you behind the cha
Speaker 1: so they can get you off the field. It is
Speaker 1: not a defense that's trying to dominate you by like
Speaker 1: completely suffocating you. It's almost like playing a Reno ball.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get a stopper too, because we
Speaker 1: feel like our offense can square in the points even
Speaker 1: though they are playing better defense. The last couple of weeks. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't tend to talk about special teams a whole lot,
Speaker 1: but Fassel has kind of spiked my interest to another
Speaker 1: level when it comes to special teams. But I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about Kansas and their team. I mean,
Speaker 1: are there any are they any special or is it
Speaker 1: pretty basic in what they've been doing. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean they have a lot of speed. I mean they
Speaker 1: time you have a fast team, you have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to make big plays in the kicking game and the
Speaker 1: return game and those things. They don't use every kiel
Speaker 1: back there anymore. Of a Miko Harman is certainly dangerous.
Speaker 1: The rest of returners are dangerous. And so when you
Speaker 1: have a fast team like they had, because this is
Speaker 1: one of the fastest team you'll find in the league,
Speaker 1: they can create big plays either by punts coming after
Speaker 1: it in the return game. Yeah, so it's an issue
Speaker 1: I think for the Cowboys. I don't think they need
Speaker 1: to be tricky this week. I think they need to
Speaker 1: be solid. So I would probably curb and pull on
Speaker 1: Falsters Cotels like, you know, we might not need a
Speaker 1: fake punt. We probably need to do something necessary Gambles.
Speaker 1: It's mornamentals. It's just one of those things. Let's just
Speaker 1: play it straight up and see what it looks like,
Speaker 1: and if we need it, we can go to it.
Speaker 1: But I don't think this is one where you have
Speaker 1: to be over aggressive trying to manufacture points and things
Speaker 1: in the kicking in All right, Bucky, before we let
Speaker 1: you break out, we want to know what the prediction
Speaker 1: is Who's gonna win this game? Maybe the hardest prediction
Speaker 1: you've had to make all season, because these teams are
Speaker 1: both really really good. Who wins well? Now, I think
Speaker 1: this is a measuring stick in the statement game. I
Speaker 1: think for the Cowboys, and the Cowboys want to be
Speaker 1: considered legitimate Super Bowl contenders, you got to knock off
Speaker 1: a team that has been in the tournament, deep in
Speaker 1: the tournament. So I think this is a game where
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are probably more motivated because I'm sure Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy is stood in front of the room and talked
Speaker 1: about it like, hey, everyone thinks that we're okay. But
Speaker 1: when you drop more and like you did to the Broncos,
Speaker 1: but then you come and be a team, like the
Speaker 1: fact that you should overmatch them and overwhelmed them, this
Speaker 1: is the one where you want to get the attention.
Speaker 1: So I think the Cowboys play well, but I think
Speaker 1: this is a three point game. Maybe thirty twenty seven Cowboys,
Speaker 1: But I think this is one where they have to
Speaker 1: make a statement. Because they win this one, then the
Speaker 1: conversation really does start about the team being the title contended.
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Speaker 1: Let's get to some questions about this Cowboys offense. I think,
Speaker 1: and actually, Nick, you brought up this question to Bucky,
Speaker 1: and I could tell as he was answering the question
Speaker 1: you disagree with him a thousand for talking about like
Speaker 1: he was. He was more saying, Hey, I don't think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys necessarily need to be as aggressive. That's at
Speaker 1: least where I took from it that maybe they need
Speaker 1: to kind of play it straight, and that even comes
Speaker 1: down to them, you know, maybe taking a little bit
Speaker 1: more time off the clock in order to keep the
Speaker 1: Kansas City defense off the field. My question for you
Speaker 1: guys is do you think Dallas needs to be aggressive
Speaker 1: to win this kind of game going up against an
Speaker 1: offense like Kansas Cities. Yeah? I don't. I don't agree
Speaker 1: with what he said, and I mean we got twenty
Speaker 1: two questions to him, so I'm not gonna sit there
Speaker 1: and go back and forth, but I just don't agree.
Speaker 1: If the end result is a touchdown, that's what I'm taking.
Speaker 1: And if you have to pass the ball around the
Speaker 1: yard to do that, then then I'm going to do that.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys offense is better than the Chiefs
Speaker 1: right now. They don't have as many explosive players that
Speaker 1: are you've been in the Pro Bowl and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: but from top to bottom, I think that they're better.
Speaker 1: So if I can move the ball up and down
Speaker 1: the field and score points and I'm getting touchdowns out
Speaker 1: of it, I'm not going to play this running game
Speaker 1: with weak links on the offensive line that can't push
Speaker 1: the pile. That's not what they do, they go and
Speaker 1: score points. And if they score points and put the
Speaker 1: pressure on my homes, I'll take them. I'll take that
Speaker 1: all day. I don't think these things have to be
Speaker 1: mutually exclusive. I take issue with the idea of like
Speaker 1: some super conservative game plan because you feel overmatched and
Speaker 1: you've got to keep my homes off. No, stop that,
Speaker 1: this isn't This isn't like a MAC team trying to
Speaker 1: beat Ohio State, like just anything we can do to
Speaker 1: shorten the game and get some No, not that. But
Speaker 1: the run game can be a strength for this team.
Speaker 1: We've seen it, and depending on the way you want
Speaker 1: to play. That's what's the phrase we say all the time.
Speaker 1: Aggressively take what they give you, and you can shorten
Speaker 1: the game and more importantly, keep Kansas City off the
Speaker 1: field if the run game is clicking. But you can
Speaker 1: be aggressive in that way as well, Like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it has to be either or. Yes,
Speaker 1: they should use the run game to keep Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: off of the field. I think that's a good idea,
Speaker 1: But not in this idea of like, well we don't
Speaker 1: want to score too quickly, or but no, like take
Speaker 1: the shots that are there for you, like we're not.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't be afraid of anyone or anything, but they
Speaker 1: should use their run game to their advantage. Because sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, but I would say nothing helps the defense
Speaker 1: more than a touchdown from there. Well yeah, absolutely, but ideal, like, ideally,
Speaker 1: if you can run five to seven minutes off the
Speaker 1: clock eight plays, run the ball a few times, and
Speaker 1: score a touchdown, that is obviously a best case scenario.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this a lot, and granted I
Speaker 1: don't watch the other teams anywhere near as much as
Speaker 1: I watched the Cowboys, but I think the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: a little bit rare in the sense that they are
Speaker 1: a contender that can pound the rock, you know, like
Speaker 1: a lot of it's such a pass heavy league. The
Speaker 1: Packers can do it too, I mean there are low
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones now out and no know how long. Aj
Speaker 1: Dyllan's pretty good, pretty good. Yeah, So there are other
Speaker 1: teams that can do it. But like Kansas City we've
Speaker 1: talked about all the time, like they've struggled, Clyde Edwards
Speaker 1: Hilaire hasn't really been that force on the ground that
Speaker 1: they need. Lost their guy. Yeah. Yeah, so the Rams
Speaker 1: like just never want to run the ball. Ever, they
Speaker 1: don't have cam akers, blah blah blah. So I think
Speaker 1: that is a unique advantage that the Cowboys can play
Speaker 1: that style of football, maybe better than any of the
Speaker 1: other good teams in the NFL, right especially when it
Speaker 1: gets colder. Right now, we see all these stats. The
Speaker 1: stats always kind of go down when you get into
Speaker 1: these games in December and January. Now, just I balk
Speaker 1: at the idea that you're playing in a way where
Speaker 1: you're like trying to sneak out of Arrowhead with a win.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, but you can still use the running game
Speaker 1: to your advantage. Well, it makes me wonder how effective
Speaker 1: they can really be by changing kind of what they've
Speaker 1: been doing, you know, becoming a little more conservative, more
Speaker 1: playing it safe type of stuff like, that's not who
Speaker 1: they've been so far. We've seen that in the past.
Speaker 1: It has worked at times, but it has not guying
Speaker 1: us the end result that we've have been seeing this year.
Speaker 1: So I'm more in the aggressiveness part. Keep doing what
Speaker 1: you're doing, go out there, don't be scared, just play football,
Speaker 1: keep having fun, and if it works out to there,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm hoping it does, but I just it
Speaker 1: really does. I'm like, that would that mess them up?
Speaker 1: Just kind of changing their motive. Not that that's their motive,
Speaker 1: but I'm making it their motive. But you know when
Speaker 1: you change things, even like and we saw it, what
Speaker 1: was it against Denver where they're like, well, try to
Speaker 1: be clean on the field with tackles and penalties, and
Speaker 1: you know what Mike McCarthy was saying that he was
Speaker 1: preaching to his defense and his team just to clean
Speaker 1: up the game. And we saw how they went out
Speaker 1: there in Denver and how they played and how terrible
Speaker 1: that was. So I don't want to go back to that.
Speaker 1: Just go out there and give it all you gout.
Speaker 1: Does that aggressiveness extend to special teams? Obviously they like
Speaker 1: to go for it on fourth down? Day? Is this?
Speaker 1: Are you saying that you're okay with them being aggressive
Speaker 1: in every aspect of the games? This game where they
Speaker 1: should be aggressive in it. This is the player game.
Speaker 1: You're the better football team, you know they are. They're
Speaker 1: the better team. There are the better team this year.
Speaker 1: They haven't played the schedule Kansas City's played. But Kansas
Speaker 1: City is in their own head too a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I don't if they if they got out of it, great,
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys, we always say, it's not a big
Speaker 1: sample size. Yeah it is. You played nine games. You're
Speaker 1: a good football team. You're really good. You're seven and two.
Speaker 1: Go do your thing. Your offense is better than anybody.
Speaker 1: Go go if you want to go block a punt,
Speaker 1: and it's there to go block a punt. But in
Speaker 1: all fairness, what if What do we really know about
Speaker 1: their level of how how competitive they are against those
Speaker 1: upper echelon teams in league. They've only played one and
Speaker 1: that when they lost, and we gave them a lot
Speaker 1: of credit for that game because they played really well.
Speaker 1: But they haven't really played those teams. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people believe you got to play
Speaker 1: your schedule, and they've played their schedule. They've played it
Speaker 1: really well. But we really haven't seen them against that
Speaker 1: level of team yet. Right if the Cowboys beat them,
Speaker 1: then they won't be everybody will say, yeah, they're not
Speaker 1: as good, right Yeah, gotuture at ESPN will sit up
Speaker 1: there and say, well do they be the six and
Speaker 1: five team? You know, because that's that's what they are.
Speaker 1: I mean, there there'll be six and five. If they lose,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will be seven and three if they lose.
Speaker 1: This is a really really big game for Kansas City
Speaker 1: to not keep falling behind. But man, I wouldn't just
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be scared about him. I mean, Mahomes I
Speaker 1: think is the best quarterback in the league. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be scared about him because he likes I mean
Speaker 1: far was the best at one time too. He threw
Speaker 1: picks and touchstones. It's fine, I agree with you completely,
Speaker 1: but I do I think the Cowboys have been the
Speaker 1: better team. I don't know if they are the better
Speaker 1: team yet because and that it goes back to my point,
Speaker 1: like it's a long season. Tampa Bay was seven and
Speaker 1: five heading into the home stretch last year, and so
Speaker 1: Kansas City has all the ability in the world to
Speaker 1: flip this thing around and not lose another game. We
Speaker 1: don't know that yet. So we got to be in
Speaker 1: the super Bowl for you to buy into this team,
Speaker 1: I said at all. No, I'm firmly bought in on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I think they're one of the four best
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL. But this is when they typically
Speaker 1: you start. This isn't really what this isn't about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys really so much as it is about the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: For me, like they've been a middling team. They have
Speaker 1: it like it's like the Golden State Warriors, Like they
Speaker 1: lose four games in a row and everybody's freaking out
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, we've got like three Hall of Famers,
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure this out and we're gonna be there
Speaker 1: at the end. That there's just a difference. And I
Speaker 1: do think we don't know that about the Cowboys yet,
Speaker 1: Like the Cowboys haven't been through these wars where they're
Speaker 1: getting to the AFC Title Game every year. And that's
Speaker 1: what I've said going back to when they hired McCarthy. Yes,
Speaker 1: you want to win the Super Bowl, but success for
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy is being in the playoffs every year and
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, the Cowboys are gonna be there. They
Speaker 1: just that they are like the runs, like maybe not
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, but not deep run. And that's the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have been unable to sustain that for twenty five
Speaker 1: years of just like every year you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: we have a pretty good idea that they'll be there
Speaker 1: in the postseason. That's what the Chiefs are right now.
Speaker 1: And so that's what I think about. But to Nick's point,
Speaker 1: play your game, and this is an analytics nerds dream.
Speaker 1: I remember it was like two years ago the Ravens
Speaker 1: set the world on fire because they went for it
Speaker 1: on fourth down against the Chiefs like six times. I
Speaker 1: don't think they got like one of them. They did
Speaker 1: terrible and Harbaugh got roasted for it, and he was like,
Speaker 1: these look who you're playing. This is how you gotta play.
Speaker 1: You're not winning playing, you're not winning kicking field goals.
Speaker 1: You got to be aggressive, go for the throat. And
Speaker 1: that's what I will say. I know about the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They should not alter the way they play at all.
Speaker 1: They are way they play. They are aggressive. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: are good enough to go in there and play their
Speaker 1: style of football and win the game. Anthony Brown, where
Speaker 1: do you think Anthony Brown's gonna do? I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you think Anthony Brown's message which is down McCarthy's
Speaker 1: message because he stole it from Anthony Brown, which is great.
Speaker 1: I mean, but like you know, we're taking everyone's best shot.
Speaker 1: Let's why why don't we should start shooting first? You know?
Speaker 1: And I think and maybe that was the reason McCarthy
Speaker 1: took the ball. Yeah, absolutely, you know, let's go do it.
Speaker 1: Let's go do you know, why don't we take their
Speaker 1: best shot? So that's one thing about this team, is
Speaker 1: that a motivated, hungry, pissed off Cowboys team. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure who can beat them.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't. We don't know that yet either.
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see, we'll see how it all shakes out.
Speaker 1: But they shouldn't be afraid of anyone. That's not the messages.
Speaker 1: There's nobody in the NFL that the Cowboys should be
Speaker 1: afraid to go up Again. I said this on a
Speaker 1: show I did yesterday. I can't prove the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: the best team in the league, but they have as
Speaker 1: good a case as anybody to be considered that right now,
Speaker 1: just based on what has happened to this point in
Speaker 1: the season. And you know, I had I had another
Speaker 1: dream last night about watching players out practicing and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. One tells this one had Randy Gregory out
Speaker 1: there like we had we had talked about, like already
Speaker 1: back there kind of working on the course and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, what do you think that means? That
Speaker 1: means maybe after the Saints or after the Raiders game,
Speaker 1: going into the Saints game, he could be back from
Speaker 1: my r That's what it means if the dream is right,
Speaker 1: Because do you have dream about weird stuff? That's good
Speaker 1: dream though I didn't know where you were going with that,
Speaker 1: but it was good. It's really good. I think I've
Speaker 1: brought that up before. It's like, that's what's exciting to
Speaker 1: me is, Yes, this is a huge game, this is
Speaker 1: a big stretch. But again, it like, what are you
Speaker 1: doing in December when the when the postseason really starts
Speaker 1: surrounding to form? Well, the Cowboys should be getting like
Speaker 1: three bad as players back, and that's the type of
Speaker 1: stuff you think about, where like, yes, this game is huge,
Speaker 1: but the big picture for me is even more exciting
Speaker 1: regardless of what happens on Sunday. But I'm glad you
Speaker 1: brought that up too, because somebody asked me that, and
Speaker 1: I get it. The Cowboys are rolling their seven and two.
Speaker 1: The league looks different when the Cowboys are good all
Speaker 1: that stuff. I guarantee you they think of themselves as
Speaker 1: the team with something to prove because the Chiefs are
Speaker 1: the standard of success in the NFL. I don't care
Speaker 1: what their record is because they're there at the end
Speaker 1: of the year, like I was just talking about. And
Speaker 1: so that's exciting to think that the Cowboys aren't the
Speaker 1: team that is getting their best shot on Sunday. They
Speaker 1: should be the team that's trying to give their best
Speaker 1: shot to You want the champs, I know they're not
Speaker 1: actually the chances. Get my point. You want to have
Speaker 1: the best in the league. You know, Andy Reid can be,
Speaker 1: you know, arguably could be one of the best coaches.
Speaker 1: I know Belichick's up there. I mean, he is up
Speaker 1: the areas that he's the standard. But I mean quarterback,
Speaker 1: I mean I think people most people would say he
Speaker 1: is the best quarterback in the league. And then tight end. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the best receiver, but he's
Speaker 1: damn sure the fastest, scariest. Yeah, so, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: they've got just elite players, elite talent, and you know
Speaker 1: that that's what makes this thing fun. They have maybe
Speaker 1: the best home crowd in the league. Dave is confusing
Speaker 1: the crap out of me. Why and not that you're
Speaker 1: trying to, but let me explain why. If you're confused,
Speaker 1: maybe somebody else, No, No, I think it's more of
Speaker 1: a personal belief, and I can form my own opinions
Speaker 1: based on the things that I see by myself and
Speaker 1: hear on my own and all that. But when I
Speaker 1: have to sit next to you and the people that
Speaker 1: are around you, you know, they tend to influence you
Speaker 1: a certain way. But you started the week, the week
Speaker 1: kind of talking about Kansas City a certain way tourists like, well,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be tough, and you know, kind of
Speaker 1: leading tours that way more. And then the more you speak,
Speaker 1: the more bouncing back and forth, I feel into what
Speaker 1: is creating in my mind based on everything that you're saying.
Speaker 1: Not that you're saying anything bad, but you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. No, I get it. They're good and bad
Speaker 1: and it happens every week. But I just I feel
Speaker 1: so one, this is gonna be a really fun game
Speaker 1: to watch too. I feel like it is gonna be
Speaker 1: all about both offenses scoring points over and over. But
Speaker 1: I just cannot make up my mind of what I
Speaker 1: truly feel that's gonna happen this weekend and which team
Speaker 1: and it's better this week. That's totally okay, by the way,
Speaker 1: And that's I'm with you. That's I wish. I wish
Speaker 1: I could roll in here on Tuesday like Nick and
Speaker 1: be like, Yeah, they're gonna crush the Falcons and just
Speaker 1: be totally right about it by the time you bounce
Speaker 1: back and forth. And I mean, this is a toss
Speaker 1: up game in my opinion. Like if the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: at home, I'd feel much more confident, but that is
Speaker 1: a tough place to play. And like I like, I
Speaker 1: weigh the pedigree so heavily of what they've accomplished. I
Speaker 1: know it's a different team, but it is a team
Speaker 1: full of guys that know what it takes to get
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. The Cowboys don't have that right now.
Speaker 1: But again, and so it is incredibly possible, maybe even
Speaker 1: slightly likely, that they lose this game, but they have
Speaker 1: the ability to win it, and they shouldn't. They should
Speaker 1: not see themselves as underdogs. I guess if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: All right, appreciate you guys, Jonas. We'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We can get you guys ready for Cowboys versus Chiefs
Speaker 1: big game. We'll tell you what's going to happen in
Speaker 1: our opinions and give you our predictions for the game.
Speaker 1: Till then, for Nicki, m Dave Helmont, aber Garcia. I'm
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas
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