WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 120322 Black White Supremacists (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Civic Sacher. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsey's Jah he is Jah, I am q Ward.

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Civic Ciphers. Indeed you are great

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<v Speaker 2>show lined up for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to talk about some stuff that is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty interesting, so a lot to stick around for h

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<v Speaker 1>including some stuff you may have seen in the news

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<v Speaker 1>in recent months. These powerful black people who are effectively

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacists. We're going to discuss that phenomenon because we

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that that can be a very confusing thing if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't interact with a lot of black folks or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, human nature oftentimes is to kind of stereotype

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<v Speaker 1>paint with broad strokes, that sort of thing. You might

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<v Speaker 1>be getting mixed messes, messages if you look at these

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<v Speaker 1>black people who really prot white supremacist ideas and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stand for just very hard nosed, hypocritical ideologies, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a black face on him.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, it might be very confusing. But we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about that today. We's gone especially in some

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<v Speaker 2>of these cases in the name of just personal political

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<v Speaker 2>gain and absolutely in parting the politics of the far right.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're we're gonna peel all those layers away, and

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<v Speaker 1>this one is going to be a deeper dive. I

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<v Speaker 1>know we've we've talked about this sort of thing before,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're also going to talk about forgiveness in the

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<v Speaker 1>black community. And I really want to pay particular attention

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<v Speaker 1>on today's episode to Will Smith stopping by Trevor Noah's

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<v Speaker 1>show and discussing his upcoming movie, but also discussing the

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<v Speaker 1>Oscars slap of the infamous slap. He offered a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more insight into that, and I think it's worth looking

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<v Speaker 1>into what forgiveness looks like, especially when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>Black men interacting with each other. And so we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do both of these things on full display for

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<v Speaker 1>all of you to witness. But first and foremost, we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to start off with some Ebny excellence. So

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<v Speaker 1>this week's Eventy Excellence is sponsored by Hip Hop Weekly magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>For all the latest in hip hop music, check out

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<v Speaker 1>hip Hopweekly dot com. Today's segment comes from Black Enterprise,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll read from the middleary article here Bob Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>from be ET. This is old news, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>news to us and we thought it was We're celebrating

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Johnson.

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<v Speaker 2>They found specifics of it we're new to us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the overall story we knew already. Right right there, you go,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>So Bob Johnson is the man that founded BEET as

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<v Speaker 1>a black man, I'll read the challenge did well in

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<v Speaker 1>its first years, but didn't turn much revenue until a

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<v Speaker 1>new and exciting form of entertainment came into the picture.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a quote along the way. Came music videos

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<v Speaker 1>and MTV started playing videos, but they wouldn't play black

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<v Speaker 1>music videos. So I said, this is Bob Johnson speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, there's a chance to play black music videos,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where we started. And the thing about it

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<v Speaker 1>that may BET such as success was the videos were free.

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<v Speaker 1>So imagine a business where the cable operators pay you

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<v Speaker 1>to carry a program, the record companies give you the

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<v Speaker 1>content for free, and the advertisers pay to speak to

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<v Speaker 1>your audience. So he ended up winning in three different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is how BET rose to prominence. Because MTV,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they would only play Michael Jackson at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but they wouldn't really go any deeper than that. And

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the story that I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>we believed to be ebony excellence is in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and one, again a while ago, but in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and one, Johnson sold Bet to Viacom, the infamous Viacom

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<v Speaker 1>and BET employees, and in doing so created a large

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<v Speaker 1>number of black millionaires who Johnson gave equity and Bet.

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<v Speaker 1>So he created the largest number of black millionaires at

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<v Speaker 1>one time in American history. And even though that's old news,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't know it, and we believe that's ebony excellence.

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<v Speaker 1>So shout out to Bob Johnson for that.

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<v Speaker 2>For Bob Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so let's talk about black white supremacists. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're not talking about black conservatives. We're talking about something different.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are a black conservative, if you know someone

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<v Speaker 1>who is black and has conservative beliefs, that is normal,

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<v Speaker 1>that is healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>That is okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we recognize that all black people don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>the same way, we don't all espouse the same values and.

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<v Speaker 2>So forth and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is something to be said about those folks

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<v Speaker 1>who really fortify and uphold white supremacist ideals and institutions

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<v Speaker 1>that we really need to discuss because it can be

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<v Speaker 1>very confusing. Uh, And you know, some folks may not

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<v Speaker 1>know may not know what's right unfortunately. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to start with a phrase that or a saying I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that we use in the black community. Uncle Tom.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about Uncle Tom on the show before. The

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<v Speaker 1>actual Uncle Tom person that that name comes from, was

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<v Speaker 1>actually not an Uncle Tom, but his name has been

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<v Speaker 1>co opted in the black community to refer to black people,

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<v Speaker 1>often black men who are not down for their people.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, black men that want to be accepted at

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<v Speaker 1>all costs, you know, to at cost to their dignity,

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<v Speaker 1>to their culture, their people, their family, et cetera. They

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<v Speaker 1>want to be accepted in often enough white circles. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I need you to be familiar with an Uncle Tom,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not to be confused with a person like

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<v Speaker 1>for those familiar with the original Chappelle's show, Clayton Biggsby

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a person, right, Clayton biggsye be sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a person is a person that doesn't wreckonognize his own

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<v Speaker 1>blackness as having value or being even real. There are

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<v Speaker 1>black people that do not wish to identify as black.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that this is a very strange thing to encounter,

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<v Speaker 1>but we have to acknowledge that there are people who

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<v Speaker 1>try to think of the world in different terms, and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel, I personally feel like that's often a desperate move.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a move of a person who hasn't been able

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<v Speaker 1>to connect with his ancestor. It's very sad because no

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<v Speaker 1>one would want that for anybody. You know, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter what part of the world you're from. There are

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<v Speaker 1>some parts of your ancestry.

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<v Speaker 2>That are beautiful that you should be able to connect with.

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<v Speaker 1>And to completely turn away from your ancestry, we think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a very sad thing. But there's some other names

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to know. There's a guy named Uncle Ruckus.

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<v Speaker 1>This is another fictional character. It's in a show called

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<v Speaker 1>The Boondock. Shout out to my sister Jamar Taylor. The

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<v Speaker 1>boon Docks is an anime cartoon about two black kids

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<v Speaker 1>that moved to the suburbs. You should definitely check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a character, Uncle Ruckus, and he's another sort

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<v Speaker 1>of white supremacist type of character very openly and they

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<v Speaker 1>use his character to flesh out concepts in the program.

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<v Speaker 1>So and last, but not least, I'll mention another fictitious character.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's name is Steven. For those of you familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with Quentin Tarantino films. He had a film called Jangle Unchained.

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<v Speaker 1>Steven is another kind of like Uncle Tom type of

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<v Speaker 1>person Steven was. The character was played by Samuel L.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson in the movie Jangle Unchained. And for those of

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<v Speaker 1>you familiar with any of these movies or shows or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that, it kind of gives you an idea

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<v Speaker 1>of basically a black person that hates black people. They

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<v Speaker 1>may not say that out loud, but their actions and

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<v Speaker 1>their their ideas and their their you know whatever, it

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<v Speaker 1>often enough suggests that they don't really think very highly

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<v Speaker 1>of black people and they can get away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>They can.

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<v Speaker 1>They almost always get platforms because they are saying things

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<v Speaker 1>that white supremacists can't say without being canceled or challenged.

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<v Speaker 1>So they end up being.

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<v Speaker 2>The racist or white supremacist, which they like being those things.

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<v Speaker 2>They just don't like being called them right right, And

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<v Speaker 2>if you're black, you can do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course I find black and I say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>black people are awful, and you know, police brutality is

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<v Speaker 1>a myth, and you know, black people, it's it's all

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<v Speaker 1>your fault and that sort of stuff. No one can

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<v Speaker 1>come to me because I'm black and say, well, you're

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<v Speaker 1>being racist, although that's exactly what I'm doing. It is

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<v Speaker 1>possible for people to hate themselves and to hate the

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<v Speaker 1>people that they come from. And this is what we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about today. So I want to talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>name that makes cues I twitch. This is a person

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<v Speaker 1>that is very dangerous. This person gives a black shield

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<v Speaker 1>to white supremacy.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. I should write that down. I'm black, umbrella,

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<v Speaker 2>a black shield, a black overcoat. There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>This person is intelligent, this person is charismatic and all.

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<v Speaker 1>And this person has also been propped up. This person

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<v Speaker 1>goes by the name of Candice Owens.

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<v Speaker 2>There goes the eye twitch. I see it close. You

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't see the twitch.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to say something. We've been through recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Q and myself, we've been through some interesting things lately. Rights,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a way to put it. Yeah, yeah, And we

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<v Speaker 1>want to be very careful because we do not and

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<v Speaker 1>we're asking you, our listeners, to hold us to this.

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<v Speaker 1>We do not want to let this show ever devolve

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<v Speaker 1>into the type of program that tears people down. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to hold people accountable, hold people responsible. We

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<v Speaker 1>want to challenge people and institutions to become better the

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<v Speaker 1>best versions of themselves. And we have to be very

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<v Speaker 1>careful because we have to decide where that line is.

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<v Speaker 1>But we also have to be mindful of the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that our words carry weight, especially now, and so we're

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to tear anyone down. But it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>mention this woman in particular, because this is a woman

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<v Speaker 1>who actually does believe that police brutality is a myth.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on, wait, you think she believes that? No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, this So I went through, you know, researching today's topic,

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<v Speaker 1>and I gathered my notes from credible sources that talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Candice Owns and who she is and things that

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<v Speaker 1>she said. So I know that this is definitely That's

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<v Speaker 1>why it's first. That's definitely something that she said that's

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<v Speaker 1>a very alarming No, No, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Know that she said it. What I'm asking you is,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think she actually believes that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think this is not I think the

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<v Speaker 2>woman is a con artist. Yeah, and it's faking everybody

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<v Speaker 2>out because of its fiscal implications. No, I can't see me,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just almost touch face. I guess what happy

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<v Speaker 2>that he said that? And I couldn't articulate it properly.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think she believes that at all, which is

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<v Speaker 2>why I despise her. Yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You're absolutely right, and we're gonna get to that in

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit too. But a fiscal benefit, political influence,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's lots of reasons that a person might do this,

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<v Speaker 1>But what we look at, you know, I'm talking, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna speak for the general It's hard to say that,

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<v Speaker 1>but most black people in this country, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>most people who are not conservative, would look at this

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<v Speaker 1>woman and realize that her words don't really reflect a

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<v Speaker 1>shared reality among black people.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>She is very much a black outlier. But again, what

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<v Speaker 1>she does is gives people who want what she says

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<v Speaker 1>to be their truth a reference point, something that is

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote credible, that they can lean on when they

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<v Speaker 1>themselves are challenged for there often white supremacist or racist

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<v Speaker 1>beliefs right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Candice Owns also praised Hitler for his nationalism. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted everybody to be German. What's wrong with that?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that sort of thing, right, And something that

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<v Speaker 1>you brought up on the show before Q is that

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<v Speaker 1>she made a documentary about the murder of George Floyd

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<v Speaker 1>and did her best to try to make anything else

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<v Speaker 1>the reason for his death other than a police officer

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<v Speaker 1>kneeling on his neck for eight minutes or nearly minutes

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<v Speaker 1>everything else in the world. Try to make that argument

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<v Speaker 1>in this film and then released it on when on

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<v Speaker 1>his birthday. And so it's those little things that go

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit beyond just a conservative black voice, that

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of extra hatred, that little bit of extra

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<v Speaker 1>genesse equa talk about being intentional, right, and this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing often takes a person from simply being a

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<v Speaker 1>black conservative voice. We've had black conservative voices on this

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<v Speaker 1>show before. That's not something that we're afraid of. It's

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<v Speaker 1>something that we I admit every every third episode that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a bleeding heart liberal. It's not my deal, but

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<v Speaker 1>I recognize that.

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<v Speaker 2>Other peopleticians, law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, all be above right. But I think that again,

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<v Speaker 1>releasing a movie on his birthday to try to somehow

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<v Speaker 1>make him the bad guy in the story where he died,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels particularly offensive and it's very upsetting for those

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<v Speaker 1>of us who have a beating heart and empathy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and we all saw a man's life end on a

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<v Speaker 1>video that should be sad to everyone. I'll admit something

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<v Speaker 1>too on the show. I mean, the MIC's on, everything's rolling.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say it. The worst person in my lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>that I ever knew about was Osama bin Laden right

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<v Speaker 1>by far, the worst person.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say it. You know, I recognize that.

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<v Speaker 1>But when the news came back that he was dead

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<v Speaker 1>and I had to go on the radio and share

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<v Speaker 1>that with the city and pretend to be happy about that. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was definitely happy that the story had an ending.

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<v Speaker 1>I was definitely happy that it felt like there was

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more justice in the universe than I

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<v Speaker 1>had anticipated. But I was not happy about a human

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<v Speaker 1>being's life getting ending. Even though I guess the right

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<v Speaker 1>ending to that story, it just didn't feel like worth

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<v Speaker 1>something to celebrate.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe right in my mind, the right ending. He gets

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<v Speaker 2>captured and or arrested and has to Like even when

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<v Speaker 2>watching movies as a child, the bad guy dying was

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<v Speaker 2>never the outcome I wanted. Like, that's not justice, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just death. Yeah that's yeah, it's a different type of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What I want to do is be fair. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>we often say this, especially you, but and I learned

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<v Speaker 1>from you. When you say this a recent Instagram post

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<v Speaker 1>of yours follow him I mq word check him out

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<v Speaker 1>a recent.

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram post of yours.

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<v Speaker 1>You say I'm no one's moral superior or moral guidepost

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Effectually, this is what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just a Stella's son from you know, seven Mile,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Detroit, Westie, something like that, right, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that is kind of the posture I want

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<v Speaker 1>to adopt when talking about the death of a person,

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<v Speaker 1>right and explaining why this thing that Candice Owens did

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<v Speaker 1>is particularly offensive.

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<v Speaker 2>And so.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't tell anybody else how to feel about Osama

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<v Speaker 1>bin Laden dying.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You feel how you feel, But it's hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to be happy about that thing. If justice is served,

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<v Speaker 1>cool happy, you know these people got closure. Cool happy

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<v Speaker 1>a human being, you know, It's just a sad thing

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<v Speaker 1>for me. And I'm that type of person. I recognize

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<v Speaker 1>other people may not be like that. So for me again,

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<v Speaker 1>looking at this documentary that this woman put out and

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<v Speaker 1>recognizing that the angle that she took, the approach that

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<v Speaker 1>she took, is offensive, and then to put it on

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<v Speaker 1>his birthday and frame him as like again, the like

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<v Speaker 1>the bad guy in his own story and he's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Her levels of malcontent is really hard to understand. The

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<v Speaker 2>whole point of it seems to be, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>you all to be sad that that man was murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's all the reasons you shouldn't be right, and

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<v Speaker 1>that feels like yo, now let me move on. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let me not forget. She wore the White Lives Matter

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<v Speaker 1>shirt next to Kanye West, allright.

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<v Speaker 2>She also, before we move on, announced the NAACP after

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<v Speaker 2>it helped her claimed that white supremacy and racism don't exist,

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<v Speaker 2>except the NAACP helped her win a lawsuit. We sued

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<v Speaker 2>because she was racially discriminated. Except that doesn't exist. So

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<v Speaker 2>we Oh, I'm sorry, No, I just I like to

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<v Speaker 2>say true stuff allowed sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's okay, that's what we're here for, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving on, Justice Clarence Thomas. This is another name that

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<v Speaker 1>you might be familiar with, bless. This is the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that looks so much like Samuel L. Jackson's character in

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<v Speaker 1>Djangle Unchained. He might look more like from your sisters

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<v Speaker 1>either with like a combination of the two.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a Supreme Court justice and a black conservative, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wants black people to pull themselves up by

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<v Speaker 1>their bootstraps. Right, Which, for a second, for the record,

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<v Speaker 1>let me say that saying was initially made in jest.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about it. Is it possible for you to pull

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<v Speaker 1>yourself up by your own bootstraps? No, it was a joke,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you don't have boots to begin with. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea meaning that black people are responsible for changing

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<v Speaker 1>our own reality is not something that we don't brush

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<v Speaker 1>up against in our day to day lives. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>a person feeling that and championing that message isn't the

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<v Speaker 1>worst thing in the world. We recognize that we have

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<v Speaker 1>issues that we need to deal with in our communities,

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<v Speaker 1>just like every other community has issues that are more

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<v Speaker 1>relevant to their actual lives and their actual cultures.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So if that was the end of his story, that

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<v Speaker 1>would be all well and good. But bear in mind

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<v Speaker 1>that this man who is the physical embodiment of the

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<v Speaker 1>phrase all skin folk ain't kinfolk as a black saying

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<v Speaker 1>for those that are uninitiated. This is a man whose

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<v Speaker 1>wife participated in and protected those involved in the January

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<v Speaker 1>sixth insurrection to try to overturn the election results and

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<v Speaker 1>basically overthrow the government proceedings. Right, And this is a

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<v Speaker 1>person he's famously quiet, but if you look at his

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<v Speaker 1>voting record, you recognize that his record is nowhere near

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<v Speaker 1>in alignment with what it is that many black people

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<v Speaker 1>would say that we need in this country. Quite the contrary. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's almost intentionally right against And this is a little again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a little bit more than just a conservative voice.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's a little bit more like intentional here herschel Walker.

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<v Speaker 1>This man is the embodiment of everything that the right

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly despises about black men in America. My belief is

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<v Speaker 1>that we live in a celebrity culture that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>gave him a head start because of his name, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he's been.

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<v Speaker 2>Managed to ride that wave.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only way that makes sense to me, because

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<v Speaker 1>if you've heard him talk, If you've.

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<v Speaker 2>Heard him, and that's the thing that troubles me the most,

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<v Speaker 2>you've ever heard him speak about any topic. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter even the topic you think he'd be an expert at,

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<v Speaker 2>which is football. When you hear him talk at length

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<v Speaker 2>about any topic, just how grossly qualified he is to

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<v Speaker 2>be in front of people for any reason. Becomes clear

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<v Speaker 2>the unqualified, and then presenting him as someone who should

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<v Speaker 2>be in a leadership role with regards to our nation's

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<v Speaker 2>government should seem like insanity, except there is a portion

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<v Speaker 2>of our population that have shown that there is no depth.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I will not steep to Okay, now watch this.

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<v Speaker 1>He is more than happy to play that role, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why the people on the right that are really,

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<v Speaker 1>really deeply conservative are pushing so hard to get that

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<v Speaker 1>man elected, knowing full well that he's a complete hypocrite.

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<v Speaker 2>I think completely unqualifies better than saying deeply concervatively racist.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Q, I appreciate you helping me out, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>And then we're going to dedicate a few seconds to

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<v Speaker 1>a gentleman named Kanye West or better said yay, and

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<v Speaker 1>we will recap here. He went from the man that

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<v Speaker 1>we knew saying George Bush doesn't care about black people,

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<v Speaker 1>to the man we know who has the Confederate flags

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<v Speaker 1>sown into his clothes years ago, who said slavery was

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<v Speaker 1>a choice, who said Harriet Tubman never actually freed slaves,

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<v Speaker 1>who of course wore the make America Great Again hat

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<v Speaker 1>and later the White Lives Matter shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>We know a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's now ratternizing with known white supremacists, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>any one of flagrant bigot ways out of sea level

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacists. Absolutely now any one of those things by themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe two things, hey man, maybe he's just on his journey, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but all of them together, let you know full well

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<v Speaker 1>that this is a black white supremacist more than just

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<v Speaker 1>a conservative. And what are the reasons, well, grift, self hatred,

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 1>desire for attention, desire for money, lunacy, the list goes on, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But what we need to do is let you know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be fooled. As we said, all skin folk ain't kinfolk.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to do a little bit more in the

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<v Speaker 1>way of gaining a consensus before you decide what your truth,

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<v Speaker 1>or rather what other what you believe other people's choose

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<v Speaker 1>to be. So sit with that.