1 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan mink 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing. Following the Ravens fourth straight. 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: Losses seventeen to three defeat at. 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: The hands of the Los Angeles Rams here at M 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: ANDT Banks Stadium, the Ravens are now one in five 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: going into their buy and have put themselves in tough 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: position as far as clawing their way back into the 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: playoff picture. 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: Garrett, this was. 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: I thought, certainly a better showing than the previous week 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: against the Houston Texans, but obviously you suffer a fourth 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: straight loss, nobody's gonna come out of this feeling good 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: about it. 14 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that there were, to your point, some 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: elements of moving in the right direction, but that's really 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 3: not the way. The Ravens are totally coming out of 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: this game feeling like now they're sitting it at one 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 3: and five, they have an uphill battle to get back 19 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: into the playoff race. And I think the real sense 20 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: for this game in particular, I know we're going to 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 3: talk big picture as well, but for this game in particular, 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: the Ravens just left too many opportunities on the table. 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: If you use a baseball analogy. It felt like they 24 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: had bases loaded multiple times up to the bat and 25 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 3: they couldn't they couldn't bring in a home many runs, 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: Like that's just kind of how this game felt. And 27 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: they were unable to capitalize really across the board, especially 28 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 3: in the first half of this game, and they put 29 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: themselves in a situation where they didn't get any of 30 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 3: those runs home. And then you have a really good 31 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 3: team in the Rams with a great offense and a 32 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: veteran quarterback that ultimately, when you give them extra opportunities 33 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 3: and you don't convert a key situations, you just can't 34 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: keep them down for too long. And that's what happened 35 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 3: in this game. And the Ravens end up in this 36 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: situation where they feel like we're having the same conversation 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: once again, saying, hey, there's some things to build on. 38 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: This team is better than what we're seeing out there. However, 39 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: it's still a loss and they got to process that 40 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: and figure out how to avoid these kinds of situations. 41 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, John Harball said he felt like this was a 42 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: game they probably should have won when you turn it back, 43 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: and the Ravens controlled much of the first half of 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: this game, and like you said couldn't punch it in 45 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: some key scenarios, and then turnovers just shot themselves in 46 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: the foot, particularly in the second half. Let's start on 47 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: the offense, Scaret, because I think the defense gave this 48 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: team a chance to win, but the offense really didn't 49 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: take it from there. And obviously, you know, without Lamar 50 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: Jackson out there, first second straight game due to his 51 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: hamstring injury. 52 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: It's gonna be an uphill battle. 53 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: And the Ravens came out and I thought, originally running 54 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: the ball way better. They had to get the run 55 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: game on track, and they did on the first drive, 56 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: but then even even from that drive on, too many mistakes, 57 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: just mistake after mistake after mistake for this team. You know, 58 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: the first drive ends with a couple penalties setting them back, 59 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: they have to settle for a field goal, and that 60 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: was just the beginning of the mistakes. 61 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 3: Look, they finished the game with three points, and I 62 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 3: thought the offense in the first half did some things right. 63 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: But I thought Eric Derek Henry said it best when 64 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 3: he made the point that three points isn't gonna cut 65 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: it anywhere in this league. That's just not gonna cut it. 66 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: If you're putting out three points, you are not going 67 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 3: to win many games, if at all, especially when you're 68 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: going up against a high powered offense with Matthew Stafford 69 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 3: at quarterback, Like that's just not gonna be enough to 70 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: win you many games. And why they only put out 71 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 3: three points. That gets back to your point in terms 72 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: of self inflicted wounds, penalties in the wrong situation, turnovers 73 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: that really just kind of made this thing. The turnovers 74 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 3: just sealed the deal on this game. But then the 75 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: mistakes are what put them in a situation where they 76 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 3: weren't able to capitalize on the opportunities that they had 77 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: in the first half. And that's the penalties. You start 78 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: moving the ball, penalty, now, here's a holding call, let's 79 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: take a big playoff the board. Like those were things 80 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: and then I know we're going to talk about it. 81 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: But that goalide and stand in the first half. In 82 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: a lot of ways, that was something that I think 83 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: the game in a lot of ways, it kind of 84 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: came down to that series and that was tough to 85 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: That was tough to overcome. 86 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: The fact of the matter is that without Lamar Jackson 87 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: you have little to no room for air, and the 88 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: Ravens made too many airs offensively, and so you know, 89 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: Cooper Rush did not really present much of a passing 90 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: threat to the Rams defense. It was kind of a 91 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: dink and dunk offense through the air. So when they 92 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: weren't able to run the ball, or they had negative 93 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: plays because of penalties, or they had turnovers, now really 94 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: the threat is completely extinguished. And the Ravens started out 95 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,559 Speaker 1: with Cooper Rush, they yanked him in the fourth quarter 96 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: and tried to get a spark. 97 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: With Tyler Huntley. 98 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: Rush finished eleven to nineteen for seventy two yards, passing 99 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: in an interception. Tyaler Huntley gave him a spark there 100 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, but it was pretty much too late, 101 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: and even that spark didn't end with points. I thought 102 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: it was better, yeah, but it didn't end with points 103 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: in his two drives. 104 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: So they really I think it was an. 105 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: Uphill battle for them offensively all game, and they almost 106 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: got over that hill when they were on the goal line. 107 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: Garrett break down that whole sequence. 108 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: The Ravens have it first in goal from the four 109 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: to three yard run by Derrick Henry. 110 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: Now you're on the one yard line. 111 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: Second down, two straight tush pushes get stuffed go forward 112 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: on fourth down and an outside run by Derrick Henry 113 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: has hit for a loss. Right at the end of 114 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: the first half, the Ravens have a chance to go 115 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: up in that It was three to three at the time, 116 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: and that felt like, really when the game kind of turned. 117 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: Like I said, I really do believe that that drive 118 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: there at the goal line was where this game turned. 119 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: It felt like up until that point, the Ravens are 120 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 3: in a situation where it's close and a lot of 121 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: things are going their way. But when you don't get 122 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: those points at the half, when you feel like, man, 123 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: there's been a lot that's going right for this team 124 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: and you're not able to punch it in that situation, 125 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: it was so deflating going into the locker room, and 126 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: when you talk about like why weren't they able to 127 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: get in? And there's two there's two parts of this one. 128 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: Why weren't you able to get in? John Harbaugh was 129 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: asked about that and just made the point on the 130 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 3: Tush push, there just wasn't a push. They weren't getting 131 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 3: any yardish. They need to be able to get to 132 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 3: move guys in that situation. Tyler Linnenbaum said the same 133 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 3: thing like, you got to be able to get six 134 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: inches in that situation. 135 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: And it's not just about pushing the tush. 136 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: There's more to it that goes with that that you 137 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: have to get the original push yeah, before the tush 138 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: is pushed. 139 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and even just. 140 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: Didn't they they got no push off the line of scrimmage. 141 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: And this makes the Eagles toush push look even better. 142 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: Everybody says, oh, well, it's so easy. You know, they 143 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: have to ban this because it's not football. When your 144 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: stuffed twice on the goal line. It makes the Eagles 145 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: case even stronger to keep the toush push in the 146 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: game because not everybody can do it. 147 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. Harball made the point that, look, we're not gonna 148 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 3: be as good as the Eagles, like they're the best 149 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: in the league at it, but it needs to be 150 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: better than that. You need to be in that situation 151 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 3: where you're where you're you're less than a yard, you 152 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: need to be able to push it in in that spot. 153 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 3: And and that was to me where the game again, 154 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: it was so deflat in that spot to not be 155 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: able to get it in. And then the other part, 156 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: I think a lot of fans say, you get down there, 157 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 3: I mean, Henry was gashing. He was gashing the Rams 158 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: on that drive, and he gets them down to the 159 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: one and then your second and goal from the one, 160 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: And I think it's a fair question to say, why 161 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 3: not just give it to Henry three times and see 162 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: what happens? And fine, fair, you can make that argument, Like, 163 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: I totally get that. I think that the Ravens came 164 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: into this feeling like if they are in a situation 165 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: where they can push it in with that Toush push play, 166 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: they're gonna get that. They just felt like, in that situation, 167 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: this is something that is going to work. There was 168 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: real belief that they're gonna be able from the one 169 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: yard line to get a yard and they weren't able 170 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: to do it. And then on the fourth down play, 171 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: that one just got blown up from the start. They 172 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: didn't block it well enough and Henry had no shot 173 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: on that play. 174 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: Right. John Harball did not question the play calls. 175 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: Of course, when they don't work, you always can second 176 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: guess them. He more questioned the execution on the Toush 177 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: push and suited players. Afterwards, Tyler Linnerbaum said they just 178 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: wanted it more than us. That's what it comes down. 179 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: To on the goal line, and the Ravens just got 180 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: They just got. 181 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: Beat on the on the line. 182 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: Part of it comes to when that ball is snapped, 183 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: you have to get original push with your blockers. And 184 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: then the Ravens also are at a disadvantage when you 185 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: compare them to the Eagles, at least because it's not 186 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: a quarterback. So you don't have a powerful quarterback that's 187 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: getting pushed by two big dude, strong dudes behind him. 188 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: You have Mark Andrews, who isn't Jalen Hurts, and so 189 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: I think that we've seen Mark Andrews have success with 190 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: the toush push, but I wouldn't say that the Ravens 191 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: have perfected that play, and so to call it twice 192 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: in a row, it's fair to question that, especially when 193 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry is in your backfield. And the frustrating part 194 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: is that this isn't the first time that the goal 195 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: the Ravens have come up short on the goal line 196 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: this year. It's been a it's been an issue, and 197 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: it almost cost him against the Browns earlier this year. 198 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: They ended up winning that game, but it was a problem. 199 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: They had issues against Buffalo near the goal line, and 200 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: so It's one of the more baffling things about this 201 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: offense right now. This season has been you have Derrick Henry, 202 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: you had Lamar Jackson before he was injured. Why are 203 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: you having troubles on the goal line? 204 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, the goal line issues have in short yardage issues 205 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: have been a situation problem for this team for too long. 206 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 3: It even really extends back to the last season against Buffalo. 207 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 3: You look at that playoff game against Buffalo. They had 208 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 3: issues on the goal line of that game, and they've 209 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: extended into this season. And I'm with you. You look 210 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 3: at the team and the roster and you feel like 211 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 3: that should be an area where the Ravens never get 212 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: stopped based on the players that they have, But they 213 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: haven't been. They haven't been successful enough in those spots. 214 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 3: And that's part of the reason they're sitting here at 215 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 3: one in five. And it's difficult because you look at 216 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 3: the offense and I think that we all felt coming 217 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: into this game, if you can get what's the key 218 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: to success, Okay, get there Henry rolling. You don't have 219 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson. Let's get Derek Henry rolling in this game. 220 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: Feed him. Okayson, mission accomplished. He was getting the ball 221 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: early and off in twenty four carries one hundred and 222 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 3: twenty two yards down there the the goal line can't 223 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: punch it in. The offense can't punch it in. And 224 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: so you got Henry rolling, You gave him a heavy workload. 225 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 3: He did exactly what you kind of hoped for. But 226 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: that wasn't enough for the offense because then when they 227 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: get into key situations they weren't able to convert in 228 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 3: the first half, they go for it twice on fourth 229 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 3: down and come up empty in both situations. One was 230 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: the goal line series we just mentioned. The one was 231 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 3: a couple series earlier where they getting third and short 232 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: and then fourth and short. 233 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: Third and two and you give the ball to Justice Hill, 234 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: which is another case of people are going to say, 235 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: why isn't Dereck Henry getting that ball? And then on 236 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: fourth and three you throw it downfield and it's incomplete 237 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: and not really close. Yeah, and so there have been 238 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: a few instances this year. And I know that you 239 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: want to keep teams on their toes, but sometimes, especially 240 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: when Dereck Henry's rolling like he was today, it feels 241 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: like you should feed him even more. 242 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, in that situation on the on the 243 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 3: short yard situation there on third and fourth down. On 244 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 3: the broadcast, Tom Brady brought up the point that Derek 245 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: Henry wasn't on the field on those two plays, and 246 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: so should he have been should you give it to 247 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: him in that situation? And and again it's just it's 248 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: if we were tak we felt like coming into this, 249 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: if we're talking about a game that the Ravens win, 250 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: Dereck Henry has a stat line that looks pretty similar 251 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: to what he has and so when he when he's 252 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 3: able to have that kind of success, needed a couple 253 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: more touch the zero calum in the touchdown, that's the difference, 254 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: and that's the issue. Uh, the fact that they weren't 255 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 3: able to capitalize on that is the reason that they 256 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: weren't able to win this game well in large part. 257 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: But let's also not forget about the second half. 258 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: You came out and it was still anybody's ball It 259 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: was three to three, and it's anybody's ballgame. The Ravens 260 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers had two fumbles in the second half, and 261 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: the Ravens' mistakes just continued to add up. Part of 262 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: this is because Lamar Jackson isn't on the field, and 263 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: players want to make plays, especially guys like Zay Flowers 264 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: who's a playmaker, and when Lamar's not out there, I 265 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: think everybody could feel that somebody had to make a play. 266 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: And Jay Flowers on. 267 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: His first fumble traversing all the way back across the 268 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: field to try to break loose, and to his credit, 269 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: he almost did. 270 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: He was close. 271 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: But then when you're doing things like that, it's the 272 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: tackler that comes out of nowhere that hits you and 273 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: forces the ball out. That's the first fumble and things 274 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: like that. With this offense, turnovers are just going to 275 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: kill you. And that's his first. He fumbled another one 276 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: on a jet sweep. That's just unexplainable why that happens. 277 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: It happens sometimes in football. But another killer for the 278 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: Ravens as they were in scoring position. 279 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. I mean we did talk all about 280 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 3: the first half in those issues, but the turnovers in 281 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 3: the second half sealed the deal. I think that not 282 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: score they had an opportunity to yeah, to go. It was, yeah, 283 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 3: it was. 284 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: It was. 285 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 3: It was a tie game at halftime, right And even 286 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: though that, like not scoring at the goal line, felt bigger, 287 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: it still was a tie game, and then you come 288 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 3: out and you have three turnovers in the second half, Like, 289 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 3: that's just it's gonna be hard to win when you 290 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 3: do that. 291 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: In the first half, the Rams gave the Ravens plenty 292 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: of chances to get up in this game. The Rams 293 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: also had their fair share of gaffes in the first half. 294 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: I mean they joinked the field goal attempt from twenty 295 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: six yards out. It's only the second miss from thirty 296 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: yards or in in the whole NFL this season. 297 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, rare. I think everyone's kind of like on that one, 298 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 3: you know, running to refill their drink and they realized, wait, 299 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: he missed it six exactly. 300 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford missed a wide open Davante Adams in the 301 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: back of the end zone on third down. They had 302 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: another drop pass on third down that forced another punt. 303 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: Lejonte Western returned a punt that he fumbled, the Rams recovered, 304 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: and then it got overturned by penalty. 305 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: So in the first half. 306 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: As a Ravens fan, you're thinking, hey, we're maybe luck 307 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: is finally on our side. 308 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: Things are starting to change here. But the problem was 309 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: that the Ravens didn't. 310 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: Capitalize on that they had these opportunities. The Rams were 311 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: making some errors that are uncharacteristic for them, and yet 312 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: somehow the Ravens go in the halftime tied three to 313 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: three after a goal line you know, offense stalls at 314 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: the goal line. 315 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the turnovers in the second half puts you 316 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: in a situation where now you're down fourteen points. And 317 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: it never felt like this offense was going to be 318 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: able to climb out of a fourteen point hole. 319 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: It just didn't. 320 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: And Cooper Rush finished the game eleven to nineteen seventy 321 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: two passing yards, no touchdowns, won interception. In the fourth 322 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: quarter with thirteen minutes left, the Ravens down fourteen after 323 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: the defense got a stop inside the red zone, which 324 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: credit to them for getting a stop in that situation. 325 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 3: The Ravens go to Tyler Huntley in that situation. He 326 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: finishes the game ten to fifteen sixty eight yards, he 327 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: had four sacks, and honestly, when he came in again, 328 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: the Ravens are down two scores and they're just try 329 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: and they're basically passing almost every single play unless the 330 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: scramble drill where he's able to get out and move 331 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: the ball. So a question after the game was why 332 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: did the Ravens not go to Huntley earlier because it 333 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: seemed like he provided a spark to the offense. And 334 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: John Harball, yeah, they I mean they moved down the 335 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: field and his first drive and so that that drive 336 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 3: loo looked good. They weren't able to get any points, 337 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 3: but they were able to move the ball, and so 338 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: John Harball was asked that question in terms of why 339 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 3: they didn't go to Huntley earlier after the game, and 340 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: here's what he had to say. 341 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 4: My plan was to play them both throughout the course 342 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 4: of the game, and as we went through the game, 343 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 4: as you feel the game, when you do when you 344 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 4: make a change. It wasn't going to be necessarily a change. 345 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 4: It was going to be Cooper then Tyler. It could 346 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 4: have been Tyler than Cooper. Again, you know, it could 347 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 4: have been any one of those things. The way the 348 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 4: first half went didn't seem to be a moment to 349 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 4: bring him out. Second half, we had a drive going, 350 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 4: you know, and then we turned it over. So I 351 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 4: think you could say that maybe, but I don't really 352 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 4: necessarily think there was an obvious moment to do that. 353 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: But the plan all along was to play both quarterbacks. 354 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's interesting that he made the point that 355 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: both Cooper Rush and Tyler Huntley were in the game 356 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: plan to play, that they expected both of those guys 357 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: to see action in this game. It was less of 358 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: a okay, Cooper Rush is getting pulled, or that this 359 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 3: is the opportunity now for Huntley to go in. Could 360 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: they have gone to him earlier? You can always debate that, 361 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: but that they the Ravens had the plan to use 362 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: both of them in this game, and could you gone 363 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 3: to him earlier? Potentially, But at the end of the day, 364 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: the turnovers that the Ravens had really are what doomed 365 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: them in the second half. 366 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: Right, I don't think that Cooper Rush's play is what 367 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: doomed them offensively. I don't think that Cooper you know, 368 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: the fumbles aren't on him, The goal line stop isn't 369 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: on Cooper Rush. Now, I don't think that he was 370 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: really giving them a chance in obvious passing situations. The 371 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: Ravens really were not threatening the Rams defense in those situations. 372 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: So there's a case to be made to say that 373 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: well Snoop gives you, with his mobility, a little bit 374 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: different of a dynamic where you can. 375 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: As we saw on his second to last drive. 376 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: On his first drive in the game, you know, he 377 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: picked up some third lungs by scrambling, and so that 378 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: element obviously isn't there with Cooper Rush. So what kind 379 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: of what kind of threat was he really once you 380 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: started to have penalties, That's what doomed the Ravens offense 381 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: with Cooper Rush when he was running it. But I 382 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: kind of agree with the point that it wasn't that 383 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: Cooper was really struggling out there. The offense kept shooting 384 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: itself in the foot, so there wasn't an obvious Okay, 385 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: Cooper's struggling, let's put in Tyler. 386 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 3: Yeah. And the good news just as a shred of 387 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 3: good news here as we're talking about this team, and 388 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 3: I know we're going to talk more about all of this, 389 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: but the Ravens expect lamarghc be back on the field 390 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: against the Bears, and so this conversation of Cooper Rush 391 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 3: versus Tyler Huntley, that conversation, it seems like we'll be 392 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 3: put on pause because Lamar Jackson is hopefully back in 393 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: the lineup against the Bears. John Harbaugh did say after 394 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 3: the game that's the hope and so the Ravens are 395 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 3: planning for him to be back in the lineup and 396 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: that will obviously change everything with this team, just in 397 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: getting him back in the mix. Let's take a quick break. 398 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll dive into the defensive side 399 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 3: of the ball and also discuss where the Ravens go 400 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 3: from here, how they get this season back on track. 401 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 3: You're listening to the Lounge podcast. We are coming to 402 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: you from the Sea Geek Studio. We want to mention 403 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 3: our partners with DraftKings Sportsbook. They are an official sports 404 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draftking Sportsbook. The Crown 405 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 3: is yours. So this season, the defense has really come 406 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: under fire for a lot of the year, and that 407 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 3: wasn't the case this game. Overall, I think the defense 408 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: comes out of this one feeling pretty good about the 409 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: strides that they were able to make, the effort that 410 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 3: they played with. It got a big turn over and 411 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 3: so there were some real things. I think, if you 412 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: want to look at this class half full, how can 413 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 3: the Ravens turn their season around. I was encouraged by 414 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: what I saw from the defense against this Rams offense. 415 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: This is a building block game for the Ravens defense. 416 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: It wasn't the result that they wanted, but this is 417 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: something that you can build from, and as I said 418 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: at the beginning, the defense gave the Ravens a chance 419 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: to win. You hold the number two offense in the 420 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: league of the La Rams, to seventeen points. You hold 421 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: the leading passer in the league, Matthew Stafford, to one 422 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty one passing yards, which is a season low. 423 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: Phukin Kua, I know that he was injured for the 424 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: majority of the game. He came in as the leading 425 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: receiver two catches for thirty eight yards. This defense did 426 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: a lot of things right. You get your first takeaway, 427 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: like you said since week two. You get some pressure 428 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: on the quarterback and some critical situations including a fourth 429 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: down sack by Teddy Buchennon. There are things that are 430 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: trending in the right direction defensively for this team that 431 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: I do think you go into the buy feeling about 432 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: and that you can build, especially as you get even 433 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: more players back in the field. 434 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Teddy Buchanan sack, John Jenkins strip sack. That was 435 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 3: a great moment. Can we John Jenkins Friend of the 436 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 3: Lounge by the way, comes over with that sack and 437 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: then the big guy starts running down the field with it. 438 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: That's always that's always fun to see. 439 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: If he had been on his bicycle, as he talked 440 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: about in the lounge, an avid bite avid cyclists, Yeah, 441 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: he would have been, he would have been in the 442 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: end zone. 443 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. We gotta get a bike out there. 444 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: But but I do think that to the building block 445 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 3: point on this team. Two of the touchdowns that the 446 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 3: Rams scored in the second half were on short fields 447 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: because of turnovers by the offense. So the defense did enough, certainly, 448 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 3: and so the question is what changed on the defense, 449 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: because they have struggled for a good portion of the season. 450 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 3: It definitely looks like the arrival of Alohi Gillman and 451 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: the secondary has made a pretty drastic impact and allowed 452 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 3: the Ravens to do exactly what they said they wanted 453 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 3: to do with Kyle Hamilton, which is to use him 454 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: all over the field, and they're able to They're able 455 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 3: to find opportunities to get Kyle Hamilton down in the box, 456 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 3: to use him in blitz packages, to just kind of 457 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 3: deploy him in a bunch of different ways and then 458 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 3: Gilman on the back end like he's smart, he communicates, 459 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 3: he's in the right place at the right time. It 460 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 3: just seemed like it's not he made some big play, 461 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: some big splash play, but it just seemed like he 462 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: elevated the play of the entire secondary press. 463 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: I was impressed. 464 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford didn't have a lot of easy throws out 465 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: there today, and that's the biggest difference from this defense 466 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: of previous weeks to this week, and especially with the 467 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: quarterback like Matthew Stafford, who's such a veteran who sees 468 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: the field so well, was so good at diagnosing defenses. 469 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: This is one of the best quarterbacks in the league. 470 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: He's been doing it for a long time. He did 471 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: not have many easy completions. A couple of he had 472 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 1: they dropped. But I think the organization in the communication 473 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: on the back end was much better, being able to 474 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: deploy Kyle Hamilton closer to the line of scrimmage, which 475 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: we'll see in the snap counts and grades tomorrow. But 476 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: I think Kyle played nearly exclusively in that slot nickel 477 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: kind of role right, and it made a big difference. 478 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: I think Aloe Gilman, we're gonna be talking about a 479 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: lot over the second half of the season and the 480 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: impact that he makes on this Ravens defense. 481 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good player. And again it's not like 482 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 3: he came in there and had these splash plays it was, 483 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 3: but it was a difference maker just in terms of 484 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 3: how he elevated the entire unit. And I'm encouraged by 485 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 3: that one. 486 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: Other even stop in the run I thought was impressive. 487 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: Well, I think Hamilton's a piece of that. 488 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: That he is a piece of that, But give credit 489 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: to John Jenkins, a big guy, and some of these 490 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 1: other defensive linemen. 491 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: The Rams can run the ball. 492 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: They get a lot of attention for their passing game 493 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: and Puka and Matthew Stafford, but Kyra ROAs is a. 494 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: Very good running back. 495 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: They entered the game as one of the most efficient 496 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: running attacks in the league, and the Ravens held him 497 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: in check for most of this game. 498 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, they did. The Rams were not able to run 499 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 3: the ball with a level of success and affectimness that 500 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: we've seen seventy four rushing yards on the day for them, 501 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: So keeping that offense under one hundred yards on the 502 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 3: ground I think says something. 503 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: I'd absolutely agree with that. 504 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: The Ravens did, however, have some bad news for their 505 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: run defense, and that's Tavias Robinson left this game in 506 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: the first half and he suffered a broken foot, John 507 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: Harball said after the game, which is a tough. 508 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: Blow for a really tough player. 509 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: Tavias Robinson's kind of been the Ravens iron man. He's 510 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: played in forty straight games to begin his career. He 511 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: hasn't even missed a single practice. Now with the broken foot, 512 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: you presumably expect him to miss a chunk of time here. 513 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: And it's not. 514 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: Only tough emotionally for a very good player and a 515 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: guy who I think a lot of teammates look up 516 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: to on this defense for his toughness in his play, 517 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: but also the Ravens are thinn at outside linebacker. They 518 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: just traded a Dafayoe to the Chargers. They came into 519 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: this game with only four outside linebackers playing without Tavius Robinson. 520 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: Now you're down to. 521 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: Kyle van Ney, David Jabo, and rookie Mike Green. So 522 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: they're almost forced to make a move at outside linebacker 523 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: during the bye. 524 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, adisa Isaac is on injured reserve dis located elbow. 525 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 3: It's like, when does he come back? 526 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: Lee Ham's on the practice squad. 527 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're probably in a situation where you end up 528 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 3: adding somebody. 529 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: Quite frankly, it makes the defensive effort today look even 530 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: better when you lose one of your starters and key 531 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: players in Tavis Robinson early in this game and you 532 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: still played as well as you did. 533 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, as I mentioned earlier, the good news on 534 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 3: the injury front is that the Ravens do expect to 535 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 3: get guys back. Another big one is Rookwand Smith has 536 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 3: missed last two games dealing with a hamstring injury. John 537 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 3: Harbaugh indicated that he's likely back for the Bears game, 538 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 3: and so that's going to be a difference maker for 539 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 3: this defense. So that's the thing about the bye week 540 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 3: like this, this team needs a buy. This team needs 541 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 3: a buy in every possible way. They need it from 542 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 3: a health standpoint, they need it from a reset standpoint. 543 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 3: Like this team. We say it every year when the 544 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 3: by here at the good time. Now this team needs 545 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 3: to buy and I think it's in every way that 546 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 3: you look at. 547 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 2: It, and primarily getting Lamar Jackson Backlafield. 548 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 3: That's the biggest one. 549 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 2: The biggest one. 550 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest one. But I also think 551 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 3: like this team needs a reset, and like this team 552 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 3: just needs to figure out what's going what they can 553 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 3: do to turn it around starting after this buy, because 554 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: they're gonna be in a situation. As you look at it. 555 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: They're one and five right now, the Steelers are leading 556 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 3: the division. They're four and one. They just keep winning. 557 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 3: And there's only been four teams in NFL history that 558 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 3: have started the season one in five and made. 559 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 2: The playoffs since the nineteen seventy merger. 560 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,239 Speaker 3: Yes, you didn't go back and get the stats from 561 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: nineteen fifty to seventy. 562 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: I did not, but I confirmed that the fourth time. 563 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: Man, we have the nineteen seventy Bengals, twenty fifteen Chiefs, 564 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen Colts, and twenty twenty Washington Commanders. So 565 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: you actually have recently as twenty twenty. 566 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have. 567 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty and twenty eighteen, Like you have some teams 568 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 3: in recent memory that have done it, so three. 569 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: In the past decade, so they to be there we go. 570 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: I do feeling much better about our chances suddenly. 571 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 3: I mean, we're kind of joking to a certain degree. 572 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: But I do think that there's there is a real 573 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: belief with this team that as they come back out 574 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 3: of this bye week that they have as they're getting 575 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 3: healthy starting with Lamar Jackson and ro Kwan Smith and 576 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: hopefully other players, that like they can turn it around 577 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: and they can get hot and they can run the table. 578 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: Like Tyler Linnenbaum said that, like, we got to come 579 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 3: back out and we gotta run the table out to 580 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 3: the boy. That's the way that the team is looking 581 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 3: at it. And are they going to be able to 582 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 3: do that. We'll see. But the big point that we 583 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 3: may coming into this game is in order to do that, 584 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: you just gotta start playing better. I did see a 585 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: team today that was playing better. 586 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: Tyler Linnenbaum said after the game, we played to our 587 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: standard and that was a key thing coming into this 588 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: game because Zach Or on Thursday said, I want to 589 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: see a defense that when things aren't going right, comes 590 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: to the sideline fired up looking to fix things. I 591 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: saw a defense out there playing with passion. I saw 592 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: an offense, even despite the turnovers and struggles, that did 593 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: some things well in the run game and started to 594 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: get things moving in the right direction. That way you 595 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: can get the run game going if the defense starts 596 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: playing to a higher level. Once you get Lamar Jackson 597 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: back in that mix, that's the key ingredient here. Then 598 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: you can start cooking up some tasty trees here. And 599 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: once you have a roster that we all came into 600 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: the league into the year saying that might be the 601 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: best roster in the league. Once you have that roster 602 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: back on the field, I think the Ravens can beat 603 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: a lot of teams. There's issues still to resolve that. 604 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: It's not that you get healthy and oh everything's fixed. 605 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: You still got to work hard on fixing some of 606 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: the problems. You know, Zay Flowers, for example, had two 607 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: fumbles today. He's one of their key players. You have 608 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: to eliminate some of that stuff. Zay Flowers is he's 609 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: gonna be on the field in the second half too, 610 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: and that he needs to not fumble. Derrick Henry's fumbles 611 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: the first couple of games or three games were really costly. 612 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 1: So it's not just that the backups were the They 613 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: have to fix some issues and they have to start 614 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: playing playing winning football, which means not turning it over. 615 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: But I do have faith that once this roster is 616 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: back on the field. Then you can start to get 617 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: a little momentum and you win a game. If you 618 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: can beat the Bears all of a sudden, maybe that 619 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: starts the ball rolling. 620 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: October twenty sixth Week eight, the Bears are here at Mt. 621 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 3: Bak Stitium one o'clock game. Then it's at Dolphins, at Vikings, 622 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 3: at Browns, and you played with the Beach Road Dogs 623 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 3: the three straight row games Dolphins, Vikings, Browns, Jets, Bengals. 624 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 3: Then it's Safec North time in December and you get 625 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 3: to the Steelers Bengals again. But so he's gonna have 626 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 3: an opportunity that you have an opportunity there on paper 627 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: to put some wins together. 628 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: But just come down to the division. 629 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 3: Yes, but before you get to those division games, you 630 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 3: gotta you gotta beat the Bears, you gotta beat the Vikings, 631 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 3: you gotta beat the Dolphins. Like, yes, it is gonna 632 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 3: come down to the division, but you it's gonna come 633 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: down to everything because there's eleven games left and the 634 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: Rails are one and five and they rattle off a 635 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: bunch of wins. 636 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the question is how many of those elevens do 637 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: you have to win. To get into the playoffs, you 638 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: have to presumably at least bare minimum, get nine nine wins. 639 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: You'd have to win eight of the next eleven. 640 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's all bloody cutting it close. And 641 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 3: you're probably looking at tiebreaker scenarios. 642 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: As if you run the table in the AFC North. 643 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: If you win nine games and you run the table 644 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: in the AFC North, you probably get in. 645 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: But this is all hypothetical. 646 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, the Steelers. The Steelers are four and one 647 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: right now. 648 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,239 Speaker 2: You're three and a half behind them, so you got 649 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 2: a lot of ground to make up. 650 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 3: So there's there's some heavy lifting to do. So I 651 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 3: think probably winning eight eight of your final eleven. Again, 652 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 3: I'm with you that that's bare minimum, but I'm not 653 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 3: convinced that's gonna do it. 654 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: I agree, it's it's a bare minimum eight more likely 655 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: nine to ten, Yeah, is probably what you need to do. 656 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: Nine or ten wins in your final eleven most likely. 657 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 3: And I do think again, if the Ravens can put 658 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: them together like they got to come out of the 659 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 3: gates hot, they have a by they're gonna get healthy, 660 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 3: they're gonna get Lamar back, and they're gonna be playing 661 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 3: a team and the Bears, who they're probably gonna be 662 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: favored to beat, and so you that's a home game, 663 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 3: you gotta win that. And then you've got to get 664 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 3: this thing rolling. And if the Ravens are able to 665 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: do that, then we'll see. But this bye week is important. 666 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 3: They need they need to reset, they need to get healthy, 667 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: and when we're back here in this building in two weeks, 668 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 3: the Ravens need to put it all together. And so, 669 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 3: as always, we'd love to hear from you. You can 670 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 3: email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. 671 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for the emails that you send us. 672 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 3: I'm sure the inbox is going to be jam packed 673 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: this week and we'll try to get to those emails 674 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 3: over the course of this week. Thank you so much 675 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: for listening, and we'll be back with you again later 676 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 3: this week.