1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:00,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. 2 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 2: I'm Rashon McDonald, a host of Money Making Conversations Masterclass, 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: where we encourage people to stop reading other people's success 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: stories and start planning your own. Now, you don't want 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: to miss an episode, so please take a moment right 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: now to follow or subscribe to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: It's free. 8 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: You can follow me on iHeartRadio, app, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your podcast. New money Making 10 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: Conversations Masterclass episodes drop daily. I want to keep you 11 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: on alert because my guests provide tips on how you 12 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: can uplift your community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or 13 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur. Now, let's 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: get this podcast started. My guest is the CEO of 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: Legacy Building LLC, a financial literacy firm dedicated to helping 16 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: clients improve credit, manage debt, and make strategic investment decisions 17 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: through personalized coaching workshops and boot camps. She began her 18 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: career as a securities attorney before shifting her focus to 19 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: empower individal jews and small businesses through financial education. It's 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: called financial literacy. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation Master Class. 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: I'm gonna call her a differend because I couldn't wait 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: to get her back on the show. 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: Lisa Morain, how are you doing, Lisa? 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: I'm well, how are you? 25 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: Rashan? 26 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: Well, you know this is your second time on the show. 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: Can you tell me all these the reaction and the 28 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: sense of excitement that came from being on Money Making 29 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: Conversation master Class. 30 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I want to thank you for hosting me a 31 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: second time on Money Making Masterclass. It has been in 32 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: my honor. The sentiment from the listeners of your show 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: has been tremendous edge and every time the show aired, 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: I received numerous calls and some of those calls actually 35 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:55,279 Speaker 3: converted into clients. So it has been a world one experience. 36 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: Being on your podcast has totally been in a exciting 37 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 3: and profitable venture for Legacy Building LLC. 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: Cool. Would that be said? 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: Thank you for taking the time to come back on 40 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: my show since I seem according to you, I made 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: you pretty busy, which is all good. 42 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: Uh. What is Legacy Building LLC? What is it? 43 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Legacy Building LLC is an outgrowth from experience growing 44 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 3: up in the urban area and Boston. I lived through 45 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: lots of challenging situations where there wasn't always money, food 46 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: resources for all of the friends and all of the 47 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 3: folks who I knew in the neighborhood, and I was 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 3: always curious about, Hey, how could how could we all 49 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 3: change our our financial projection right? What can we do 50 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: to change this scene around us and actually help communities? 51 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: Which led me into one wanting to become an attorney, 52 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: and then and practicing law led me to finance. I 53 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: wanted to get involved into finance because I found out 54 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: that that was the one central factor that made the 55 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,559 Speaker 3: difference between the haves and the have nots. 56 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: And the haves and have nots. So are you motivated 57 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: to make people successful or are you motivated to create a 58 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: business that can change people's lives both. 59 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: I'm helping people has always been at my core. As 60 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: you mentioned, I was with the federal government for over 61 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 3: thirty years, so I am a full time I look 62 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: at public servant where I took great pleasure in serving 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: the public and working for the American taxpayers and working 64 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: for the community to make our communities better. And so 65 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: I think in order to have a successful, thriving business 66 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: in the community, you actually need community members who are 67 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: able to participate in that business, who are able to 68 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 3: use their financial dollars to support the business. So I 69 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: feel like it is a circular impact. 70 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: Now, Lisa, you just said thirty years from a government 71 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 2: government position and you left to I'm assuming that you 72 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: didn't exactly leave immediately. Did you kind of like balance 73 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 2: the two before you made a decision become a full 74 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: time entrepreneur. 75 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's always been you know, growing up, my parents 76 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 3: always instilled in us, go to school, get good grades, 77 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: to get a job. 78 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: Right. 79 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: Even though my dad was an entrepreneur, the message was 80 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 3: very clear, get a job. And so to take that 81 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: leap after having the job of becoming a full time 82 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 3: entrepreneur took a lot of prayer, a lot of talking 83 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: to God, and a lot of belief in what I 84 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: have to offer and the benefit that I could bring 85 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: as an entrepreneur working completely for myself. 86 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: Which right did do you teach to help clients build or 87 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: repair their credit, especially a little starting from financial hardship. 88 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: For me, it's a in legacy building. It's a more 89 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: wholesome approach. I think it is shortsighted to just say 90 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: this is the things that you need to do to 91 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 3: repair your credit. The question is why did you even 92 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: get to this point where you thought it was appropriate 93 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 3: to put a bill in your child's name, You thought 94 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 3: it was appropriate to get a credit card, add all 95 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: these things to that credit card that you could not 96 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 3: afford to pay, and so it begins by first, let's 97 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 3: examine your money mindset. So part of my practice is 98 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 3: the kind of hone in on what are your money beliefs? 99 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 3: Like a lot of times when we grow up with lack, 100 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 3: we adopt that lack mentality. So we already stop from 101 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: a place of we don't have it, we can't get it, 102 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: we have to take any means necessary to get what 103 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 3: we want, which is not true. We have all that 104 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: we need. God never leaves us undone. We just have 105 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 3: to have a better view and a better outlook as 106 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: to our financial abilities, capabilities and steps to implement to 107 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: stop you from getting into that position later on. It's 108 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: important to get your credit cleaned up, but it's also 109 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 3: important to understand what to do to avoid getting in 110 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: that situation again. 111 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 2: You know, it's really I've heard about consolidation loans or 112 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 2: consolidating your credit card. What is the best approach to 113 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: cleaning up your credits. 114 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: Well, I think it really depends on what your situation is. 115 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: If you have tons of charge ofs that the company, 116 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 3: the credit card company has already said, this person is 117 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: not paid the debt to charge it off, it's hit 118 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: your accounts, So now you have to go about getting 119 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: those charge offs off of your credit report. If you 120 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: have a lot of high interest credit cards, which is 121 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: often the case these days, interest rates in excess of 122 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 3: twenty percent, which is outrageous. You're trying to make minimum 123 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 3: payments and have this high interest rate, you're not going 124 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: to be able to make a debt in the underlying debt. 125 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: So in that case, it may be more advantageous to 126 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: take it a loan to pay it all off, depending 127 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: on the loan terms. If you have a lower interest rate, 128 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: you're saving yourself from those high finance charges, allowing yourself 129 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: a more realistic way to pay off the debt and 130 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: get back in the green. 131 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: And that's really important there. But as a minority you 132 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: said it earlier, you know, sometimes we can defeat our 133 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: own opportunities and or we just fall in line with 134 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: the stereotypes that bank is not going to give me 135 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: a loan or I just have to bootstrap my way 136 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: to success. When people come to you, come to marine law, 137 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: come to legacy building. You know, when we're talking about 138 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: all these different opportunities, what is the number one or 139 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: there are three factors you can tell people think about 140 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: this before you contact me. 141 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 3: Sure, the three factors that I recommend thinking about before 142 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: you contact me is examine your situation. Don't just call 143 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 3: and say hey, I need help, and it's help with 144 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: what and what have you done? It's helpful for you 145 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: to first try to see what A what's happened to 146 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 3: get you into the situation you're in? B What have 147 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: you done yourself to try to rectify that situation? I eat, 148 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 3: have you reached out to your creditors? The creditors are 149 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: not the boogeyman right at the end of the day. 150 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: They just want to get paid and in some cases 151 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: you may be able to negotiate a lower payoff right 152 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: because they don't want to have to take you to port. 153 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: They don't want to have to because that cost them 154 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,239 Speaker 3: legal expenses, they have to hire attorneys, they have to 155 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: shell out more money to collect from you. So oftentimes 156 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: they're willing to work with you, and that may require 157 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 3: you to call them multiple times, but there are steps 158 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 3: that you can take as an individual before you come 159 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: to people like me and say, look, I need help. 160 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 3: If you haven't done anything, you're starting at ground zero 161 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: and it's only going to make your journey that much longer. 162 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: Working with anyone, Lisa, how can one get in touch 163 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: with you? 164 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's multiple ways to get in contact with me. 165 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: You can call Legacy Building at nine two five two 166 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: one seven eight four eight zero. You can reach out 167 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: to us on social media. On Instagram it's Legacy Building 168 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: all one word Underscore LLC. And for Mulrain Law it's 169 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 3: Mulrain m ul r Ai N Underscore Law on Instagram. 170 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 3: And then you could just email me Lisa dot Mulrain 171 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: m ul r Ai N at gmail dot com. 172 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: Let's talk about areas of concern here. You know, when 173 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: I come to you, I come to you for advice, 174 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: but there are areas where people are typically struggle. You know, 175 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I'm out front financial coaching, creatit building, investing, 176 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: and in state planning. Let's start with something that people 177 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: rarely bring up in the conversation. It's state planning. Talk 178 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: to us. 179 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely, listen, at the end of the day, whatever you've 180 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: accumulated during your working career life in whatever fashion, that 181 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 3: is a value, i e. It appreciates. It can be 182 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: For many of us in the minority community, it could 183 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: be home ownership. We saved up our money, we were 184 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 3: able to buy a home. Thankfully, right now our home 185 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: is appreciating in value because that's what homes typically do. 186 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: But we don't have any plan. We don't have an 187 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: estate plan. Something happens, we have a heart attack, a stroke, 188 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 3: whatever the case may be, and we've never set up 189 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 3: a plan for what happens if that eventuality takes place. 190 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 3: And the reality is, it's not uncommon to just get ill. 191 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 3: And sometimes you get ill and you immediately die. And 192 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: you have worked so hard to buy your house, buy 193 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 3: whatever assets you have, and now that that you've worked 194 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 3: so hard for is going to be disposed of based 195 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: on how the state law read. Right. So, in some 196 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 3: more public instances we've seen like these big entertainers prints, 197 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: Michael Jackson who didn't read the Franklin who died without 198 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: proper estate plans in place, and so it took years. 199 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: It goes, it sends your stuff into probate. It can 200 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 3: take years for it to go through probate, and then 201 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: your ears and your loved ones don't necessarily get what 202 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: you've worked so hard for. But the other thing is 203 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: estate planning doesn't only benefit your hears and loved ones 204 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 3: when you pass, it benefits you because while you're living, 205 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: right for you to have a trust that dictates your 206 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 3: wishes how you want your assets managed, and you can 207 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 3: have a revocable trust where you are the one managing 208 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: your assets. So you're saying, this is how I want 209 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: these different assets that I've acquired over time managed during 210 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: my life, and that's how you manage it. It allows 211 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: for very effective management of your assets and tracking of 212 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 3: all the things that you've accumulated and how you want 213 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: those things to be managed. I also plug it there 214 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 3: all these accounts, bank accounts that you may have, you 215 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: got to make sure that there's provisions for those right. 216 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: So that's the other thing. What if something happens to you, 217 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 3: you know, God forbid, and you can't speak, you're immobile. 218 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: A lot of our loved ones may have a dementia 219 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 3: or something that they really can't articulate what they want 220 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: to have happen to their assets and you've done nothing, 221 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: They've done nothing to prepare for that eventuality. 222 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: Then what Well, it's really important that you say that. 223 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 2: That's why I started with a state planning because people 224 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,479 Speaker 2: won't even think about that. You know, the car, your jewelry, 225 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: your house, all your bank accounts, all that should be 226 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 2: tied into you know. 227 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying that in the state planning. 228 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: Is a whill, but at least it protects you your 229 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: assets and you can say this is where they should 230 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: go if you have a proper state plan right, and now, 231 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: a will is something you definitely should have. 232 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: Should we talk about that now? 233 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, at least talk about will. 234 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: Or should we talk about investment? 235 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? 236 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: People, you know you can. 237 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: You can have a will in your twenties, your thirties, 238 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: your forties, your fifties. There's no set date. I got 239 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: to be in my fifties and my sixties and seventies 240 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: to start considering a whill. A will outlines your your 241 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: wealth that you you've accumulated and where it should go 242 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: properly and not to the state. 243 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: That's right, Oh, Rashaan, you just hit the nail on 244 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: the head because you know in your twenties you're working 245 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: your cube things in your thirties and forties. You don't 246 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 3: have to wait until a particular age in the distant 247 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: future to set up a will right because you are 248 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: properly planning. You are outlining what happens if something happens 249 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: to me. Would you technically are not too young to 250 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: do in your twenties. 251 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: Please don't go anywhere. 252 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: We'll be right back for more Money Making Conversations Masterclass. 253 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: No need for you to do me a favor right 254 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: now to follow or subscribe to Money Making Conversation. It's 255 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: free and you can find it on the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, 256 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Please do 257 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: me that favor, follow or subscribe money Making Conversations. Welcome 258 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: back to Money Making Conversations master Class, hosted by me 259 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: Rashaan McDonald. Money Making Conversation master Class continues online at 260 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: Moneymaking Conversations dot com and follow money Making Conversations Masterclass 261 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: on Facebook, X and Instagram. 262 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: Now, when you have a will, the way that I 263 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: structure it in my firm is we use a will 264 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: as sort of like a secondary backup document, meaning we're 265 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: focusing in on the trust. Your trust is that main 266 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 3: document that it has covers all of your assets. And 267 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: that trust. The will we use as a pore over will, 268 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: which anything that we may have missed in the trust 269 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: goes in that will, right because not only do you 270 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 3: have to create that trust, but you have the fund. 271 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: Bit now that we talked about two proper things that 272 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: you should be incorporating in your financial plan up front, 273 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: it's state planning and will, let's talk about investing. 274 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: Wo I love it. 275 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: Yes, investing advice. Since we started off with trust and 276 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: wills and estate planning for investing advice, my first item 277 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: that I like to touch on is that four one 278 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 3: K plan. For many of us who have nine to 279 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: five jobs, the usually the state law depending on your jurisdiction, 280 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 3: requires the employer to have a full one K plan 281 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: for you. Many folks don't really focus on that, particularly 282 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 3: my younger folks, my twenty year olds, my thirty year olds. 283 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 3: You think, oh, I don't have to worry about that. No, 284 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: you max out the investment, your investment in those four 285 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: and one case if your company or government agency or 286 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: wherever you work provides a match to your investment, maybe 287 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: it's a one percent match, a three percent match. I 288 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: know in the federal government, it was a four percent match. 289 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: You need to be contributing at least four percent of 290 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 3: your income. I don't care what your income is, how big, 291 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: how small. You need to be contributed in four percent 292 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 3: of your income so you can get that match. You 293 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: are leaving money on the table if you don't do that. 294 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: That's free money your employer is putting towards your retirement. 295 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: So let's get that out the way. The other investment 296 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 3: that I would say is, if you don't our already 297 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: have one roth iray, open the wrong IRA. Make sure 298 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 3: that you're making whatever contributions you can. Ideally, whatever the 299 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 3: max is if you're over I think fifty or above. 300 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: I think the max was eight thousand, and may have 301 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 3: jumped to eight thousand, five hundred and twenty twenty six, 302 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 3: make sure you look into that. And if you're under fifty, 303 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: I think it's set either seven thousand and seven thousand, 304 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 3: five hundred. Divide up what that looks like for you. 305 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: If you can make monthly payments that meet whatever threshold 306 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 3: amount to that roth IRA, do it. Roth Iray is 307 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: a sort of a type of retirement account. It's after 308 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 3: tax money, meaning that you don't have to pay taxes 309 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: on it, providing you comply with the requirements. Some of 310 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: the requirements are that you leave that money in there 311 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 3: until you're fifty nine and a half. Now, let me 312 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: say you if you have an emergency you need to 313 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 3: access that money, you can take out the principle without 314 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 3: any tax consequences, even if you're not fifty nine and 315 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: a half. So some people use it as a savings 316 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 3: account because you are able to invest in the market 317 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 3: but still get access to your money if you need it, 318 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: even if you're not fifty nine and a half. But 319 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 3: part of investing is tax strategy, and with roth IRA, 320 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: because it's after tax dollars, you're not taxed on that money, 321 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: and that's a big deal. So again along that theme 322 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: of taking advantage of sort of free money that's given 323 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 3: to you. That's like tax free money. You usually don't 324 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: have many options where the government is not taxing you 325 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 3: on your gains, right, so you can let your money 326 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: grow accumulate over years in a roth IRA and as 327 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 3: long as you comply with the requirements for withdrawal, you 328 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 3: can have tax free investment. The other thing is open 329 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: a brokerage account that would be third on my list 330 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 3: if you haven't already done so, I like to say, 331 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 3: like these more prominent brokerages. No, no knock against the 332 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 3: newer guys like Robin Hood or any of the newer brokerages, 333 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 3: but I like to go with those who've been around 334 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 3: for like seventy five one hundred years. Because they've been 335 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 3: around for a while, that's a good sign of their 336 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 3: ability to weather the storm. Is not per you know, 337 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they nothing can happen to them, 338 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: But if I had to, like Gamble, that's that's where 339 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 3: I'm going. In some of those companies as Chaos Schwab 340 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: Fidelity and open a brokerage account there. Both of them 341 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 3: allow you to do fractional investment. So if you can't afford, 342 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 3: say if you want to buy a share of Microsoft, 343 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: which was at four hundred and something dollars, but you 344 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 3: don't have four hundred and something dollars, those brokerages allow 345 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 3: you to buy ten dollars of it, fifteen dollars of it, 346 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 3: and you keep doing it. The trick with investing in 347 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: any asset is consistency. Don't time the market. You cannot 348 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: time the market like we don't have the tools that 349 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: these hedge funds and then investment bankers have to time 350 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 3: anything right as a retail investor, so it's time in 351 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 3: the market. Put your money in. 352 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: If you let special lines they've laid yes exactly. 353 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 3: People put you a little five dollars, a little ten dollars. 354 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 3: Trust me, it accumulates over time. You can go in AI, 355 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 3: whether it be Chat, GPT, Claude Perplexity, you Gemini three. 356 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: You go there and you say what are the top 357 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 3: stocks in any particular industry and act chat GPT. I mean, 358 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: you know, again not investment advice, but again when you're 359 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 3: looking at where do I want to play some money? 360 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 3: Because has risk right? And if you're trying to contemplate, 361 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: like just a simple Bell Weather, if you're trying to 362 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: contemplate what company do I want to put my money in? 363 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: Follow the money? Where where's Nancy Pelosi putting her money? 364 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: Like we're where is black Rock? Where's Trump? Where's Trump 365 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: putting his money? 366 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, you know he's getting the top top financial advice. 367 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: Okay, follow him and he and you know what Trump 368 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: tell you what he about to do. He ain't hiding it, 369 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: so you ain't to scratch your head, like, what are 370 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 3: you gonna do next? He tell you what he's doing. 371 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: Right. Let me make sure people know this, Lisa. Research 372 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: is important. 373 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 2: They come to you because you know, because you mentioned 374 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: Ai and I want to always tell people any advice 375 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: is that it's given on this show. 376 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: Research research, research. 377 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: Do not jump out there because you heard somebody tell 378 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: you or somebody a little birdie told you a you woke. 379 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: Up and you had a dream about the stock. Research research, research, 380 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: also research over a year period, see how that stock 381 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: going up and down. 382 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: If it's staying flat, it's just low, and it's not 383 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: from a historical standpoint normally low. That means that that's 384 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: a stock that problem is going to have a comeback. 385 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: Do your research. 386 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: Are they laying off people or is it a strategy 387 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: as to why they're laying off people? 388 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: Because people lay off people, lay off employees. That's a strategy. 389 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: You know, they cut back. 390 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: They getting ready to make an announcement when they do 391 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 2: their tax earning calls to say, look we lay it 392 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: off ten thousand people and then a stock jump. Now, 393 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: if you see these people laying off people, that's part 394 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: of the research process that you have to go through 395 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 2: because these are the misconceptions that we have, Lisa. And 396 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: one of the things I do enjoy when I talk 397 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: to you, I talk about law, I talk about finances. 398 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: One advantage does that offer to you when a client 399 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 2: comes to you seeking advice? 400 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely. I like to say that Maulraine Law is the 401 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 3: place where your financial education from legacy building is enhanced. 402 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 3: Legacy building, we educate people on how to acquire assets, 403 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 3: make money better themselves financially, and then once they've gotten 404 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 3: that knowledge, we and they're able to kind of get 405 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 3: going with that. Moull Rain Law offers the opportunity to 406 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: protect you've now created or what you have before when 407 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 3: you came to us. And that intersection isn't often seen, 408 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 3: right because usually if you protect assets, then you need 409 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 3: to find someone else to help you figure out how 410 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 3: to shield yourself, how to protect your assets. The beauty 411 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 3: of having both a financial literacy firm that provides that 412 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 3: financial education and a law firm is that you can 413 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 3: get everything in one place, particularly in the areas where 414 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 3: I'm licensed to practice law, which is Maryland, right, Massachusetts 415 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 3: and DC. 416 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: Now let's talk about scaling. You hear that a lot 417 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 2: scaling five years from now, where do you see Legacy 418 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: Building LLC? 419 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: Five years from now? I see Legacy Building LLC and 420 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 3: mull Raining Law doing wonderful, wonderful things, ideally partnering with 421 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 3: a lot of small businesses as well as partnering with 422 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 3: the government as a public servant for many, many years. 423 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,719 Speaker 3: I see need within the government walls of individuals who 424 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 3: are making pretty good salaries but don't have that financial 425 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 3: education to help them figure out the best approach right 426 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: and oftentimes when they compare their salaries against their pairs 427 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 3: in the private sector, there's that focus on we're not 428 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 3: making as much as them, or even given what's happening 429 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 3: in the economy today, with the cost of things are 430 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 3: so expensive, it's sort of you don't have a ton 431 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 3: of money to do much else, but it's sort of 432 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: re examining and refocusing where your money's going now, the 433 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: money that you're earning, that's coming out of your paycheck, 434 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 3: where is it going now? What are you doing? And 435 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 3: I see Legacy Building being a leader in that space 436 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 3: to get folks thinking, to get folks more financially literate, 437 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 3: and to get more folks into the market and investing 438 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: and acquiring assets and not being afraid to do so. 439 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: Oftentimes I'll hear, oh, we can't invest that we'll lose 440 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 3: all our money. No, that's that's not true. If you're gambling, 441 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 3: if you don't do as you said with Sean, you're 442 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: due diligence. If you don't keep on top of your investments, 443 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 3: then yes, you probably will lose it all. So you 444 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 3: need to make wise investments. I'm not suggesting that you 445 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 3: don't buy things that you like. You work hard, but 446 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 3: you just got to be smart about it and be diligent, 447 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 3: you know, with sort of partnering with the government, partnering 448 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 3: with small businesses and partnering with others. I see Legacy 449 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 3: Building being an international brand as well as also. 450 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: She's Lisa, she's least the Moraine Legacy Building LLC and 451 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: Moraine Law. She's practicing law right in Maryland. But guess what, 452 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: you can go online find out about it. You do 453 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: zoom calls with you, let her know that they It's 454 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: all about due diligence, ladies and gim there's no magic 455 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: pill or a wing out there to success. It's tied 456 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: to longelomity. We're not talking about playing the lottery. We're 457 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: talking about building your. 458 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 2: Life through sound advice, excellent decisions, having this state plan 459 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 2: put in place, having a will put in place. That way, 460 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: when you make these investments, purchase these items, it will 461 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 2: go to your family or who you wanted to go 462 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 2: to and not be arbitrated by the state. And believe 463 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 2: it when it gets there, they're going to take their 464 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: peace before they give it to you. 465 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: Awesome. Appreciate you coming on the show. 466 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me. Thanks so much for Sean. 467 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 3: You were awesome. 468 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to this episode. 469 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: No, I need for you to do me a favor 470 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: right now to follow or subscribe to Money Making Conversation. 471 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: It's free and you can find it on the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, 472 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 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