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Speaker 2: Texas in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got
Speaker 2: Patrick noc Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Yarish with Chris Beam
Speaker 2: in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. After the Cowboys fall
Speaker 2: to the Denver Broncos forty four twenty four. The fine
Speaker 2: score in Week eight. It was not pretty, it was
Speaker 2: not good, and I said this on the postgame shows
Speaker 2: last night. But there are just some days when you
Speaker 2: don't have it and you don't play very well. There
Speaker 2: are some days when you beat yourself and penalties play
Speaker 2: a large factor, and then there are other days where
Speaker 2: the talent on the other side you just aren't as
Speaker 2: good as and I think yesterday was a combination of
Speaker 2: the three. You weren't as good as the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2: Even when you had the opportunity to play better, you
Speaker 2: probably didn't. You didn't execute the same way that you
Speaker 2: have at different points in the season. And then if
Speaker 2: all of that fails and you were finally executing, penalties
Speaker 2: shot you in the foot. Nine penalties for eighty yards,
Speaker 2: much of that happening in the first half. At least
Speaker 2: they weren't self inflicted, right, they were all self inflicted.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's how penalties work a lot of the time.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that one too, But it was just
Speaker 2: not a good day. Dallas falls to three four and
Speaker 2: one seasons not over yet, but as Jerry Jones said yesterday,
Speaker 2: there is a long way to go with this football team.
Speaker 2: You played a playoff caliber team yesterday, and you saw
Speaker 2: how you stack up against the playoff caliber team. And
Speaker 2: I'll start with the gentlemen that were that were there yesterday.
Speaker 2: Patrick Nosey Walker, I'll let you start. It was not
Speaker 2: pretty in the Mile High City.
Speaker 4: It wasn't. He'll be doing me a favor. Cute that
Speaker 4: old brother Sounder real quick?
Speaker 6: Oh no, it's because I'm here, isn't it.
Speaker 2: No, it's not that we love having.
Speaker 4: Oh brother, this guy Stacks set a plus to everybody,
Speaker 4: with the exception of maybe Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens.
Speaker 7: They did their best.
Speaker 4: Avonte Williams, he did what he could when he was
Speaker 4: given the opportunities to do what he could. Thirteen the
Speaker 4: only thirteen opportunities, and unfortunately none of those opportunities came
Speaker 4: in on that first drive when you were you know,
Speaker 4: second in gold or Okay, yeah, I'm thinking of I'll
Speaker 4: give shouts u Queasy Bridges for that interception. Initially, Yeah,
Speaker 4: to set up the cow Boys offense to go do
Speaker 4: a thing. But I mean I just named less than
Speaker 4: a handful of people that actually kind of deserve some credit.
Speaker 4: Everybody else stole some money yesterday from the Cowboys and
Speaker 4: I'm talking coaches too, so yeah, stole some money.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, free check.
Speaker 4: I do respect what Shotty said, because you know, Shotty
Speaker 4: got up there and he said, I was not very
Speaker 4: good today. He said, Matty Riflus was not very good today.
Speaker 4: Clayton Adams was not very good today. I mean, when
Speaker 4: you stink up the joint like that, I mean they
Speaker 4: absolutely got trampled by the Broncos.
Speaker 7: There's there's nothing nice.
Speaker 4: To sprinkle on it, right, It's just a pile of
Speaker 4: what it is, which is horse crap. So I don't
Speaker 4: I mean, the cowboys don't know who the cowboys are
Speaker 4: right now. So when you asked that Dak Prescott the
Speaker 4: question last night, you're three four on one, what's your identity?
Speaker 4: He's like, our identity is inconsistency, perfectly said, because that's
Speaker 4: exactly what it is. And Kyle, you pointed everything out
Speaker 4: perfectly in the in the in the prelude to this,
Speaker 4: which is you know, you knew that the defense was
Speaker 4: probably going to struggle based upon the samples as of
Speaker 4: everything before. You hope they could replicate what they did
Speaker 4: against the commanders, but you kind of felt like they
Speaker 4: maybe wouldn't be able to.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you figure you.
Speaker 4: Had a little bit of hope, Yeah, a little bit
Speaker 4: of hope. But you just knew that the offense was
Speaker 4: going to show up. We tried to say it last week.
Speaker 4: You just knew they were going to show up.
Speaker 2: And everybody was saying, what was the term last week
Speaker 2: that that was brought up glazing?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, well yeah, people said that we were glazing
Speaker 8: when to Broncos.
Speaker 7: How good the Broncos defense.
Speaker 8: We tried, we literally tried to tell you that this
Speaker 8: is what could definitely be the case. I mean, we
Speaker 8: previewed it on Friday talking about how stout their defensive
Speaker 8: line was and how they were going to be able
Speaker 8: to stack the box against the run game, and basically,
Speaker 8: you know, my thought process was, if Javanti Williams isn't
Speaker 8: able to get or just a run game, not necessarily
Speaker 8: just pinning it on Javante, but if the run game
Speaker 8: isn't able to get going in the first two quarters,
Speaker 8: the game is done.
Speaker 5: Yeah done?
Speaker 7: And what would really kill them?
Speaker 5: And you lost by halftime, by the way, Yeah you did.
Speaker 4: And there's something that correlates here. You basically lost by halftime.
Speaker 4: Most of those penalties were in the first half. In
Speaker 4: the first half, oh okay, you had a couple of
Speaker 4: those that killed the first drive and then it just
Speaker 4: kind of went from there. And then on the defensive
Speaker 4: side of the ball, you had penalties that extended drives
Speaker 4: and then created situations where they could get a chunk
Speaker 4: played out of the middle and then run for an
Speaker 4: explosive touchdown on the ground, the very same drive in
Speaker 4: which you could have been off the field and three
Speaker 4: and out. And then you look at just schematically, so
Speaker 4: personnel wise, the execution was horrible. Schematically it wasn't there either,
Speaker 4: because here you are again. You got guys getting wide
Speaker 4: open touchdowns. Here we are again, you turned down the
Speaker 4: man coverage. Here we are again. You only blitched, you know,
Speaker 4: twenty four percent of the time listing or the time,
Speaker 4: which correlation you only got pressure on bo Nick's twenty
Speaker 4: four percent of the time.
Speaker 7: It's not a lot.
Speaker 4: There's not a lot. So whenever you blitzed, you got pressure.
Speaker 4: Whenever you didn't blitz, you didn't get pressure. Okay, and
Speaker 4: you weren't stopping the run. Okay, over four hundred yards
Speaker 4: almost two hundred and seventy yards allowed in the first
Speaker 4: half alone with those four touchdowns, ball game past the
Speaker 4: sticks man.
Speaker 8: At one point, they were averaging nine yards to carry
Speaker 8: at one point, Denver, We's.
Speaker 5: Denver, well.
Speaker 7: Despicable.
Speaker 5: That just you don't win games that way.
Speaker 6: They're averaging thirteen yards of play at one point too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Look, you know, I just don't think that this is
Speaker 6: a great football team, to be honest, Yeah, I think that,
Speaker 6: you know, defense obviously, it's either to say that defensively
Speaker 6: because they're so shorthanded, but you know, offensively, they they
Speaker 6: can do really good things and that's kind of the
Speaker 6: heartbeat of this team, and that's where their identity if
Speaker 6: they even have one lies, is hey, we can go
Speaker 6: and kind of score points and move the ball down
Speaker 6: the field offensively. But even still yesterday, I thought they
Speaker 6: missed some opportunities. Patrick touched on the first drive.
Speaker 2: Of the game.
Speaker 6: You've got second and goal from the one. Deevontae Williams
Speaker 6: was the one that got you down there. I think
Speaker 6: he picked up three yards from the four. I think
Speaker 6: Brian Schottenheimer maybe got a little bit too cute trying
Speaker 6: to throw the ball into the end zone. Sure, you
Speaker 6: know they've run the slip play action plays really well
Speaker 6: and it's worked, but I think that's one where look,
Speaker 6: Denver is a really good line of scrimmage team, and
Speaker 6: Dallas had a chance early to kind of punch him
Speaker 6: in the mouth and say, hey, we're here to play
Speaker 6: We're here to play physical, and I think they missed
Speaker 6: the opportunity to do that. And then after that is
Speaker 6: when you kind of just saw things start to snowball
Speaker 6: with the pre snap penalties and the procedural penalties and
Speaker 6: just way too much undisciplined play from a team that
Speaker 6: is in week eight and you don't know what your
Speaker 6: identity is. You can't find any sort of consistency relatively
Speaker 6: outside of the offense, and it's just bad. It's just
Speaker 6: not great football. And you know this team. The thing
Speaker 6: that is worrisome is this team has good players, and
Speaker 6: a lot of those good players granted didn't play yesterday
Speaker 6: defensively because they're injured, but the fact that there is
Speaker 6: no remedy and no consistency is concerning and it brings
Speaker 6: up a lot of questions. I know the trade will
Speaker 6: and it's been a big one, and oh do you
Speaker 6: go out in trade? No? No, no, I don't think
Speaker 6: you do. I think yesterday shows you. I've said this
Speaker 6: from the jump. I don't think there's one player. And
Speaker 6: we talked about this on Talking Cowboys. Is it last
Speaker 6: week or the week before.
Speaker 2: Two weeks ago when they after they lost to Carolina,
Speaker 2: We talked about it.
Speaker 6: There is no one player. There is no two players
Speaker 6: unless you get to all pros at their respective positions
Speaker 6: that can trade that can change this defense for this season.
Speaker 6: I think you look at this and you say, Okay,
Speaker 6: the season's not over by any means, but you hold
Speaker 6: onto those two first round picks and maybe even try
Speaker 6: to sell some guys here at the deadline and try
Speaker 6: to gain some more draft capital and look to build
Speaker 6: through the draft. I think in today's NFL, building through
Speaker 6: the draft is a way to win super Bowls. And
Speaker 6: the Cowboys have now two drafts coming up where they've
Speaker 6: got four first round picks, and that is a war
Speaker 6: chest of picks that you can use to completely change
Speaker 6: this defense. You don't have to use all of them
Speaker 6: on defense, but you can change everything about your franchise
Speaker 6: through these next couple of drafts. I know it's difficult
Speaker 6: pill to swallow, especially when we're sitting in the present
Speaker 6: and we're talking about the future. Right but right now
Speaker 6: this is this is not a team that I think
Speaker 6: is going to contend for the Super Bowl, even the playoffs.
Speaker 6: I think that that is that is a that is
Speaker 6: a big stretch. But once again, you know, this offense
Speaker 6: is going to be something that can keep you in games.
Speaker 6: But if your defense can't find any sort of footing,
Speaker 6: your identity at all, it's just going to be ugly.
Speaker 5: And I liked what Tony Romo was saying.
Speaker 8: I mean not that I liked those words, I just
Speaker 8: liked how he brought up that. In they kept referencing
Speaker 8: this twenty thirteen game, you know, Romo versus Manning and
Speaker 8: how the offense was able to put up forty eight
Speaker 8: points and lost fifty one to forty eight, and that
Speaker 8: being a sort of perfect amalgam for what's happening now
Speaker 8: with the Dallas cowboyshere. The offense is just so good
Speaker 8: and they didn't play very good yesterday, but that was
Speaker 8: a large part into what the defense was doing, and
Speaker 8: then of course the penalties that kind of got you
Speaker 8: in that position.
Speaker 5: But for me, the game was lost.
Speaker 8: You know, your defense makes a play and puts you
Speaker 8: in a pretty great position to go get a touchdown,
Speaker 8: and you were able to muster up three points out
Speaker 8: of that drive that could turn the tide for you
Speaker 8: in that game and set the tone for the rest
Speaker 8: of the game. To me, that is a huge step
Speaker 8: back in the aggressiveness that Shody has taken so far
Speaker 8: this season, and he's been conservative at times, but I
Speaker 8: think overall he believes in his team, and I think
Speaker 8: yesterday was sort of indicative of their belief in what
Speaker 8: Brock Kaffman is able to do at the point of attack.
Speaker 8: I think there was a severe lack of confidence in
Speaker 8: what he was doing because you saw it every opportunity
Speaker 8: he was getting moved around. And for good reason, they
Speaker 8: didn't have the confidence there because the Broncos broughen whoa
Speaker 8: Broncos of line was so good, but at so many
Speaker 8: points are like Javonte Williams can certainly gain these three yards.
Speaker 2: I think you guys all bring up great points because
Speaker 2: the pass rush gave problems to Tyler Geiton, gave problems
Speaker 2: on the interior to Brack Kaufman. He had probably his
Speaker 2: worst game of the year maybe Carolina, which there's a
Speaker 2: little bit of a coincidence there. Those are probably two
Speaker 2: of the poorest offensive performances that you've seen throughout the year.
Speaker 2: Even elite offenses have down games, and they had a
Speaker 2: down game. They just did not match up well.
Speaker 5: We taked time to have it down.
Speaker 2: It was a terrible time to have a down game,
Speaker 2: but they had a down game. You talked about the
Speaker 2: opening drive. I'm thinking and when I went back and
Speaker 2: watched it this morning. The drives at the end of
Speaker 2: the first half were infuriating to me because even if
Speaker 2: you look at Denver interception, touchdown, touchdown, punt, touchdown, that
Speaker 2: sounds like they're dominating, they really weren't. It was twenty
Speaker 2: to ten, Dallas had the football with three mines and
Speaker 2: change three forty seven when they took over. You go
Speaker 2: down the field there and you score, you're within three points.
Speaker 2: You're close to the end of the first half. We'll
Speaker 2: see what happens at the end of halftime. But even
Speaker 2: if Denver tacks on a field goal there, you are
Speaker 2: within a touchdown to start the third quarter. Yes, if
Speaker 2: you go down in that area that portion of the game,
Speaker 2: you're within a possession at halftime more than likely, and
Speaker 2: you get the football to start the third quarter. Instead,
Speaker 2: what happened? You go three and out, You pump the
Speaker 2: ball away. What does Denver do? They drive down the field,
Speaker 2: They get a touchdown before halftime, so then they go
Speaker 2: up twenty seven to ten. Oh and you've got hey,
Speaker 2: you still got the football. You've got what was it
Speaker 2: thirty nine seconds, which we've seen. As long as you
Speaker 2: get Brandon Aubrey and field goal range. You can make
Speaker 2: it work. Even in the elevation in Denver, Colorado. You
Speaker 2: can get in field goal range. Kick a field goal.
Speaker 2: You're good, completed a couple passes early, got right at
Speaker 2: the edge of what you would be willing to try
Speaker 2: with Brandon Aubrey, and then you try a deep seam
Speaker 2: over the middle of the field to Jake Ferguson into
Speaker 2: triple coverage. There was double coverage over the top and underneath,
Speaker 2: but then there was an extra safety coming over to
Speaker 2: so it was really a Bermuda triangle. As Isaiah called
Speaker 2: it yesterday on the postgame show. You're trying that football
Speaker 2: instead of trying something to the boundary to get out
Speaker 2: of bounds, set up a field goal attempt, and at
Speaker 2: least go into halftime with some dignity, down by thirteen
Speaker 2: points instead of being fourteen points, instead of being down
Speaker 2: by seventeen. And then you go down and you score,
Speaker 2: and you're opening drive of the second half and you
Speaker 2: feel like, okay, are offense starting to feel better again?
Speaker 2: Not the case. You're still down by two scores. You're
Speaker 2: still in a position where your defense needs to stop.
Speaker 2: And this is not a team that has to need
Speaker 2: the defense to get a stop. They just don't have
Speaker 2: the dogs on that side of football. You cannot rely
Speaker 2: on that. So as much as this was on the defense,
Speaker 2: and as much as we've praised the offense throughout the season,
Speaker 2: it was a down day in scenarios where they have
Speaker 2: converted in situations like that previously. They did not credit
Speaker 2: to Denver. They're a good team. I think Denver is
Speaker 2: a legitimate contender in the AFC, and I don't want
Speaker 2: to take anything away from that, absolutely not. But if
Speaker 2: Dallas plans to be a contender in their division, plans
Speaker 2: to be a contender when they get to the playoffs
Speaker 2: as Tommy said, or if they get to the playoffs
Speaker 2: as Tommy said, you got to play better than that
Speaker 2: against the teams that are benchmark caliber teams that you're
Speaker 2: going up against. And they did not pass their test
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 8: And time and time again, the Cowboys have proved that
Speaker 8: they don't win those games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are.
Speaker 5: This is the litmus test.
Speaker 8: Dallas Cowboys are going up against an actual contender and
Speaker 8: the result continues to be the same. Outside looking in,
Speaker 8: of course, I feel very It's the word passionate about
Speaker 8: you know, how I feel, how good. I think the
Speaker 8: Cowboys can be. But when you're talking about a defense
Speaker 8: that cannot personnel wise afford making any mistakes, it's not
Speaker 8: indicative of a good team. And Tony Roman was seeing
Speaker 8: himself at the very end of the game as far
Speaker 8: as like, this is a team that will. The offense
Speaker 8: is good enough to keep you in half of these games, yeah,
Speaker 8: and the other half you know you're going to struggle.
Speaker 8: And that's exactly what we're seeing right now.
Speaker 6: It is difficult to really get a good litmus test
Speaker 6: on how good this team can be when their three
Speaker 6: wins are against the Giants, the Jets, and the Commanders.
Speaker 2: Those teams have what have come by banged up Commanders, that's.
Speaker 6: Seven wins and the Jets got their first one yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's that's telling. And I mean, and then you look
Speaker 6: at the back half of this schedule Eagles, Chiefs, Lions, Vikings, Chargers,
Speaker 6: I mean, this is gonna be a this be a
Speaker 6: long back half of the year.
Speaker 8: I liked what you were saying a second ago as
Speaker 8: far as like, why do we sort of when.
Speaker 2: Are we gonna learn?
Speaker 5: When are we gonna learn?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, can you speak more to that?
Speaker 2: I think I mean, I predicted Denver would win yeah Friday,
Speaker 2: So it wasn't a shock. I thought it would be
Speaker 2: a whole lot closer though, because I I don't believe
Speaker 2: this team is far off. I really don't. And we've
Speaker 2: had that debate before about the draft picks and whether
Speaker 2: it'll hold on to them or whether it or not.
Speaker 2: And I even asked the question of Stephen Jones a
Speaker 2: couple weeks back, how much are these next few games
Speaker 2: going into the deadline going to decide how you handle
Speaker 2: the trade deadline? And he said he didn't really give
Speaker 2: like a full answer in that case. But I think
Speaker 2: the answer is a ton You go into the deadline
Speaker 2: at three five and one, you lose this week against
Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and with the back half of the
Speaker 2: schedule that Tommy's talking about, why would you not sell
Speaker 2: at the deadline? Why would you not take some of
Speaker 2: these good players that you can accumulate draft picks and
Speaker 2: try and build around some guys that are still here.
Speaker 2: Dak's not going anywhere, CED's not going anywhere. You could
Speaker 2: still resign George Pickens if he continues to have the
Speaker 2: season that he's having. Jake Ferguson's not going anywhere, Tyler
Speaker 2: Smith's not going anywhere. All these guys that you've resigned.
Speaker 2: The core of your team is staying here, but there
Speaker 2: are some other players that teams would value elsewhere. So
Speaker 2: to speak to your quote, and this is a roundabout
Speaker 2: answer of getting there, or roundabout way of getting there.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're far off. But if they don't
Speaker 2: have the season that you would anticipate, and they certainly
Speaker 2: haven't to this point, I think you have to look
Speaker 2: toward twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight because of what
Speaker 2: you already have from a draft camp Capitol standpoint. You
Speaker 2: got to be within striking distance to take advantage of
Speaker 2: this year and possibly trade those picks and say I
Speaker 2: need a legitimate pass rusher, I need a legitimate linebacker
Speaker 2: or a safety or whatever the position is that you
Speaker 2: want to address. First, you got to be within striking distance,
Speaker 2: and right now they are not.
Speaker 8: No, it's not gonna take one or two players. I mean,
Speaker 8: it would take a full overhaul of my opinion in
Speaker 8: the defense.
Speaker 2: And I think you're gonna get a couple guys. I
Speaker 2: know everybody's probably rolling their eyes when they're talking about oh,
Speaker 2: Demarveyn overshow's coming back? Or Savonzette Rebel's coming back? And
Speaker 2: I mean Treyvon Diggs is out. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he'll ever play another game in the Cowboys uniform. And
Speaker 2: we'll talk about that at some point down the line too.
Speaker 2: But all of that to be said, you are getting
Speaker 2: some reinforcements. If you add those guys and then get
Speaker 2: an elite player, maybe it does help. Who am I
Speaker 2: to say, but right now I don't have a whole
Speaker 2: lot of confidence that that can help fix this team.
Speaker 8: For the audio listeners, Patrick had a perfect response just
Speaker 8: then because it was just all shoulders.
Speaker 5: He's just like, you know what, what do you do?
Speaker 4: Shrug because my thought process is I'm hearing everything you
Speaker 4: guys are saying, keep the picks and build for the future.
Speaker 7: That you know, great, wonderful. What's your identity on defense?
Speaker 4: So you don't have one exactly, So my follow up
Speaker 4: to that would be, now that I disagree with those points,
Speaker 4: my follow up would be, yes, Okay, use those draft
Speaker 4: picks and war chests. You're going to empty the war
Speaker 4: chess and for the most part you throw that at defense. Okay, sure,
Speaker 4: you're throwing it at a defense that has no identity.
Speaker 7: It doesn't know what he wants to do. It doesn't
Speaker 7: know what it wants to be.
Speaker 2: And that's the whole conundrum.
Speaker 7: Schematically, it doesn't.
Speaker 5: Know, So you're.
Speaker 4: Throwing telling at it, which is perfectly fun. That's that's
Speaker 4: your job as GM man, as the scouting department, it's
Speaker 4: your job. Okay, talent and put the talent in the seats. Okay,
Speaker 4: now once, but once the talent is in the seats.
Speaker 4: And what I'm getting at is the root is one
Speaker 4: of the roots, not the route, but one of the
Speaker 4: root issues remains miscommunication in that defense. I saw yesterday
Speaker 4: again the same miscommunication issues that we saw early in
Speaker 4: the season when they were getting walloped. Okay, and you're
Speaker 4: going you look at some of the body language on
Speaker 4: the sidelines. One particular instance after a big play might
Speaker 4: have been after a touchdown, I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 7: You gotta try.
Speaker 4: Queasy Bridges basically passionately trying to explain to kyr Elam whatever.
Speaker 4: I couldn't read the lips, but it was and I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2: So clearly there anybody should know it's right.
Speaker 7: So it's the.
Speaker 4: Fact that Bridges, who joined late is now having this
Speaker 4: heated debate. I'm not going to say argument which way
Speaker 4: went right and we don't know, but my point it
Speaker 4: could be. My point being when you have defensive players
Speaker 4: on the sideline having those types of conversations with each
Speaker 4: other in conjunction with what's going on on the field,
Speaker 4: the scheme is still a.
Speaker 7: Huge question mark.
Speaker 4: I feel like every week we're going against the rintler,
Speaker 4: but the rintler is in the building, like, what's the
Speaker 4: what are you doing this week? I don't know because
Speaker 4: last week he was forty eight percent man coverage and
Speaker 4: then one of the feature films that Isaiah baught was
Speaker 4: they were going to break the fifty percent mark on man.
Speaker 4: Wrong they went in the wrong direction. They went back
Speaker 4: into the thirties. As far as man coverage is concerned,
Speaker 4: zone courverage that obviously didn't look great. Look at the
Speaker 4: wide open touchdown that was in zone coverage. So you know,
Speaker 4: and now there is another aspect to it, which is,
Speaker 4: you know, personnel wise, I mean, Jesus christ Man, you
Speaker 4: had to put your nickel corner at safety because you
Speaker 4: ran out of safeties, right, So guys right, so that
Speaker 4: matters as well, So you know, let's talk about everything
Speaker 4: that matters. But my point being, whether you're trading for
Speaker 4: a guy or two, and I am on the boat
Speaker 4: of trading for two guys, not one night two Now
Speaker 4: you need to you need to pay.
Speaker 7: That's rusher and you need the safety.
Speaker 4: I feel like the linebacker corp will stabilize once de
Speaker 4: Marionovshung is back and back to form.
Speaker 7: I think that stabilizes things.
Speaker 4: But regardless of if you're siding with me and you
Speaker 4: feel like you want to trade for one or two players,
Speaker 4: or you're siding with Kyle and Tommy, I think Josh
Speaker 4: as well. As far as keeping the picks, it doesn't
Speaker 4: matter which one of us, which one of the tables
Speaker 4: you sit down at.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you have to agree that.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, the problem, one of
Speaker 4: the bigger problems is what scheme are you?
Speaker 7: What are you doing on defense?
Speaker 5: And remember, dude, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Remember I also flipped too because I'm I'm worried about
Speaker 2: and initially I was saying, hold on to the draft picks.
Speaker 2: I'm worried about wasting Dak Prescott's MVP caliber play. That's
Speaker 2: where I'm saying, Okay, maybe we should go get a
Speaker 2: draft pick, but then you look at the defense and
Speaker 2: the inconsistencies and all of these different elements here to
Speaker 2: say there is no identity. How much is it going
Speaker 2: to fix even if you do go and do it.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to sit here and do nothing.
Speaker 2: With Dak Prescott playing the way that he has. I
Speaker 2: don't want to sit here on my hands and just say, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what it is, what it is. Hopefully he
Speaker 2: comes back in twenty six and twenty seven and plays
Speaker 2: the rest of his contract like this. I don't want
Speaker 2: to do that because that's not how the NFL works.
Speaker 2: You got to take advantage of opportunities when you have
Speaker 2: them now. And the most frustrating part about all of
Speaker 2: this and the debate that you're going to have, is
Speaker 2: you're either wasting the window or you're throwing potatoes at
Speaker 2: the wall trying to see if it sticks on defense,
Speaker 2: and that's what the picks would be. They would be
Speaker 2: potatoes at the wall. Hopefully a pass rusher helps, Hopefully
Speaker 2: a safety helps. Hopefully the linebackers start playing better when
Speaker 2: Demarby and Overshow's back, Hopefully. Savona Rebel is a third
Speaker 2: round pick out of East Carolina can play immediately. All
Speaker 2: of it is a ho and hope is not a strategy,
Speaker 2: and that's what it is on the defensive side, and
Speaker 2: that's what's so frustrating for Cowboys fan.
Speaker 8: I think hold on really quick above all, regardless of
Speaker 8: all of this trade, hold on to the picks.
Speaker 5: Whatever it is, some needs to change.
Speaker 2: Now, you got to do something.
Speaker 5: Something needs to change.
Speaker 6: I'll make two quick points and then i'll give you
Speaker 6: all a question going into our break. So number one,
Speaker 6: to Patrick's point about identity with four first round picks,
Speaker 6: I think you can find guys who can help establish
Speaker 6: an identity for you on defense. Not a guarantee. I'm
Speaker 6: not guaranteeing anything. I'm not Charles Barkley. But I think
Speaker 6: you can find guys that help you set the tone
Speaker 6: on defense. And you know, there are a couple of
Speaker 6: guys that I love college football. If you follow me
Speaker 6: on Twitter, you see that there are a couple of
Speaker 6: guys that I watch around the country and I'm just like, oh, man,
Speaker 6: I would love to cover that guy because even he's
Speaker 6: so good. And you know the other thing too, is
Speaker 6: I have no issue with trading some of that capital
Speaker 6: for a player. If and only if it is a
Speaker 6: young player that is under contract for the next three
Speaker 6: or four three or four years, say three or four years.
Speaker 6: And because that would be the only way, I'm sorry,
Speaker 6: that would be the only way that you could make
Speaker 6: the most of moving on from a capitol like a
Speaker 6: first round pick or a second round pick, is if
Speaker 6: you get somebody that's going to be around for you
Speaker 6: consistently for this defense. You can't trade for one year
Speaker 6: rentals at this point. And the question that I'll give you,
Speaker 6: guys going in a break, We've talked about scheme and
Speaker 6: this defense, and oh my god, it's awful. This is
Speaker 6: the third defensive coordinator for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: In three years.
Speaker 6: Do you think that a change is what is needed?
Speaker 6: Or at some point do you feel like Dallas just
Speaker 6: has to sit down and give a guy time. Because
Speaker 6: if you move on from Matt Eberflus, then you've got
Speaker 6: your fourth defensive coordinator in four years. And at some
Speaker 6: point you've got to let a scheme stabilize and you
Speaker 6: can't keep changing things up on guys because some guys
Speaker 6: are gonna fit great, some guys are not gonna fit great,
Speaker 6: and you're not gonna know that. So at some point
Speaker 6: do you say, Okay, this is our guy. We're gonna
Speaker 6: give him time, and we're gonna ride it out and
Speaker 6: see if this can get better.
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Speaker 2: is in the building and he just proposed a phenomenal question,
Speaker 2: Thank you the career. First phenomenal question of your career.
Speaker 5: Also tell me I wish you were here for a
Speaker 5: win every once in a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you always show up what.
Speaker 6: I call me in whenever they lose? I'm sorry, Well,
Speaker 6: when I started here, it was I was liaking at
Speaker 6: the Troit game. I think they lost like what five
Speaker 6: straight before the Washington game when Cavante Turpin finally got
Speaker 6: me a win. But yeah, no, if you missed before
Speaker 6: the break, the question that I posed was, you know,
Speaker 6: Mattie Refluss, Dallas's third defensive coordinator in the last three years,
Speaker 6: and at least from my perspective, and you guys, if
Speaker 6: you have a different opinion, please feel free to throw
Speaker 6: it out there. I think it is really difficult for players,
Speaker 6: and you see this all the time, especially with young quarterbacks,
Speaker 6: is when they've got a change in their head coach
Speaker 6: or their play caller, offensive coordinator, whatever it may be,
Speaker 6: you can see their development kind of really start to struggle.
Speaker 6: And guys that have had that turm wheel, like a
Speaker 6: Justin Fields or even a Baker Mayfield, a guy who's
Speaker 6: turned it around, can just necessarily not be in the
Speaker 6: right spot and having different voices over the course of
Speaker 6: their career can make things hard. And so my question
Speaker 6: was for Dallas is at some point, whether it be
Speaker 6: with Maddieberfluse or even if you move on from them
Speaker 6: and take somebody else, do you just have to sit
Speaker 6: down with a guy, even if it means going through
Speaker 6: a season like you're going through right now, And do
Speaker 6: you just have to stick with somebody and give somebody
Speaker 6: time to get something going. I know it's an NFL
Speaker 6: stands for not for long, and that goes for coaches too,
Speaker 6: especially now because nobody is patient. But at some point
Speaker 6: do you have to settle into, hey, we've got to
Speaker 6: keep somebody, not just Maddiberflus because Maddie Reflues has not
Speaker 6: done a good job this year. Just straight up and
Speaker 6: I don't know if anybody could have been a good
Speaker 6: job with this personnel, but especially Tony.
Speaker 2: Said that yesterday too, he said, I would have a
Speaker 2: tough time, yeah, if I were in the same.
Speaker 6: Situation, especially but especially this unit. It's been very poor.
Speaker 6: At some point though, do you just need to give
Speaker 6: these guys a sense of continuity in their defensive play caller,
Speaker 6: because if you're just going to keep changing things on
Speaker 6: them you're in and year out, I think it's going
Speaker 6: to be hard to develop.
Speaker 8: I would argue that I don't think that was Dallas's
Speaker 8: plan necessarily to keep Matt Iberfluse around for a long time.
Speaker 8: He's a guy that's coming off of a head coaching job.
Speaker 8: Granted he was fired, but he's sort of one of
Speaker 8: those bigger names that like, eventually, you know, and Shotty
Speaker 8: said it before, it's like, oh, he will be a.
Speaker 5: Head coach again in the NFL.
Speaker 8: I don't think you can bank on that necessarily, that's
Speaker 8: the least at least now, but that's his goal, right,
Speaker 8: So I think the Cowboys sort of went into it.
Speaker 8: It's like, Okay, let's build an identity using what Matt
Speaker 8: Eberflus wants to do and then sort of build around that.
Speaker 8: But you know, maybe it's a dan Quinn situation too,
Speaker 8: where they kind of anticipated at least a few years
Speaker 8: of getting that identity figured out right, but you're not
Speaker 8: seeing it at all, at least with with dan Quinn,
Speaker 8: you very early on saw indications of what that might be,
Speaker 8: and that was turnovers, right, Yeah, that was one thing
Speaker 8: that you could always clean on and pressure.
Speaker 2: And you know why they saw the flash of pressure
Speaker 2: and why they saw the flash of turnovers early in
Speaker 2: dan Quinn's tenure. Why is that kind of because they
Speaker 2: struck gold at a pass thrusher. They struck gold with
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons in the draft.
Speaker 6: Where's that guy?
Speaker 2: He's in Green Bay? Well last night. That's the thing
Speaker 2: for me, is you struck gold even they didn't want it.
Speaker 2: Remember they were at ten in that draft and they
Speaker 2: were wanting Pats or ten for good reason. By the way,
Speaker 2: they wanted j. C. Horn. They both go bang, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're both great players, bang bang in front of them
Speaker 2: to Carolina and to Denver. They're sitting at ten and
Speaker 2: they say, mmmmm, maybe we should trade back. We don't
Speaker 2: really love a ton of these options. We'll trade back
Speaker 2: a couple spots, and then if Micah or Rashaun Slater
Speaker 2: fall to us for good reason fall to us, then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we'll make the pick. They made
Speaker 2: the pick at twelve after they traded, so even they
Speaker 2: didn't know what they had or else, they would have
Speaker 2: taken the opportunity to trade up and go get Micah,
Speaker 2: just as anybody would have if they would have thought
Speaker 2: that was the case. They knew of the draft. They
Speaker 2: struck gold with Micah. Dan Quinn was able to build
Speaker 2: his system with an elite pass rusher as a rookie
Speaker 2: who finished with twelve and a half sacks or thirteen
Speaker 2: sacks or whatever it was. And that's how they were
Speaker 2: able to do that. You don't have that guy, don't
Speaker 2: have that type of player and even the personnel on
Speaker 2: this team to do that. And remember that was after
Speaker 2: you had three coordinators in three years as well, because
Speaker 2: you went.
Speaker 5: From and you saw a Dala at the time.
Speaker 7: But you have had, like arguably stabilizer.
Speaker 2: Stabilized if you had Trayvon Diggs who had played under
Speaker 2: you pretty well for a year.
Speaker 7: The pieces were there.
Speaker 8: The pieces are not there right now. They don't have
Speaker 8: the same person if Kenny Clark and a bunch of
Speaker 8: dudes some guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well my question is when you okay, so when
Speaker 4: you look at the personnel, if everyone is healthy, look
Speaker 4: at it from that capacity, and then you ask yourself
Speaker 4: this in addressing Tommy's question, if you're the Cowboys, you
Speaker 4: have a personnel set one completely healthy that is designed
Speaker 4: to primarily run man. So I'll simplify it and just
Speaker 4: put it to that. Yeah, you have a defensive coordinator
Speaker 4: that primarily runs zone right. Yeah, So the question is
Speaker 4: if you're if you're entertaining or hoping that may even
Speaker 4: flu stays around because you want the continuity, how long
Speaker 4: do you think it would take to transition the current
Speaker 4: personnel to a set of personnel for the new DC
Speaker 4: to be able to have hopeful success in running the
Speaker 4: scheme he actually wants to run. Yeah, that'll take two, three,
Speaker 4: maybe even four years, depending on how you draft. Because
Speaker 4: you're not going to hit one hundred percent on all
Speaker 4: of your draft picks. That's not how it goes. So
Speaker 4: even though you're one of the better, one of the
Speaker 4: best actually as far as scouting draft talent, you're just
Speaker 4: not going to hit one hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 4: So that's my thing, my concern there is and I'm
Speaker 4: not saying you know that it can't be done. I'm
Speaker 4: saying that you have to understand the transition period. So
Speaker 4: you talk about potentially wasting the window that Dak Prescott has.
Speaker 4: He needs a defense and put it out. He played
Speaker 4: poorly yesterday, but he played poorly because of a couple
Speaker 4: of decisions. He made the triple coverage Jake Ferguson, don't
Speaker 4: throw that ball every again in your life.
Speaker 7: Just don't. Okay.
Speaker 4: At the same time, to be fair, he was under
Speaker 4: siege all games, so at that point he's trying to
Speaker 4: play hero ball. He was pressing, and he admitted that
Speaker 4: he was kind of pressing because he was trying to
Speaker 4: make something happen, trying to get a spark. So that
Speaker 4: being said, you have to wonder transition wise, if you
Speaker 4: want continuity, what's the what's the invoice for the continuity?
Speaker 4: Because you got to pay the invoice. What's the invoice
Speaker 4: If the invoice is it takes you two to three
Speaker 4: years to get the personnel right for the coordinator that
Speaker 4: you have.
Speaker 7: I don't know, Jim, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Because in three years from now, is Dak Prescott still
Speaker 4: playing at this level?
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 5: Probably in that case, you need better personnel on defense.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm at.
Speaker 6: You you absolutely and you need that all around, regardless
Speaker 6: of your defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there were problems at the end of dan Quinn's
Speaker 2: tenure whenever it came to this defense, right, Yes, I
Speaker 2: mean absolutely. It wasn't perfect with dan Quinn. Everybody wants
Speaker 2: to believe that those three years with dan Quinn twenty
Speaker 2: one to twenty three, they couldn't stop a nose billion
Speaker 2: all those takeaways, the takeaways were great, and it helped
Speaker 2: tide a lot of the problems. Yes, it helped hide
Speaker 2: a lot of the issues, and Michael Parsons helped hide
Speaker 2: a lot of the issues on it.
Speaker 5: But this is still a bad run defense regardless.
Speaker 2: And then you turn around and you've got Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 2: You had some hope with Mike Zimmer that he would
Speaker 2: bring in a new thought process, but you're able to
Speaker 2: stop the run wrong. Yeah, boom one and done. He
Speaker 2: didn't have a great year whenever that came around. At
Speaker 2: some point, when do you look yourself in the mirror
Speaker 2: as a defense and say this team just doesn't have
Speaker 2: the personnel. They just don't have the players on defense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've had three coordinators in three years, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: some continuity would help. But if you have bad players
Speaker 2: and you have a bad system, or not even let's
Speaker 2: take the system out of it. If you have bad players,
Speaker 2: the best system in the world is still not going
Speaker 2: to be enough.
Speaker 7: It's true.
Speaker 2: You can scheme it up as much as possible and
Speaker 2: it might help a little bit, but it's not going
Speaker 2: to help you enough to go win what you want
Speaker 2: to win, which is ultimately an NFC East Crown, ANFC title,
Speaker 2: and go to a Super Bowl and possibly win it.
Speaker 2: That's not happening when you have bad players on defense.
Speaker 6: I mean, Nick Saban in his prime at Alabama couldn't
Speaker 6: fix this group.
Speaker 2: Like there's just nothing there's couldn't fix the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm just saying in general, I'm just one thinking
Speaker 6: of a good defensive coach.
Speaker 2: He went sixteen and sixteen.
Speaker 6: That was a great point, thank you, all right, Well,
Speaker 6: I'll never make a point.
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart could Kirby Smart fixed.
Speaker 6: Kirby Smart couldn't fix this year, And Kirby Smart makes
Speaker 6: everything you could put, you could put, you can put
Speaker 6: burn orange helmets on the other team, and he still
Speaker 6: wouldn't be able to fix.
Speaker 7: H coach of the Jefferson.
Speaker 2: Jefferson fixed.
Speaker 6: You know what, that's what we need to do. We
Speaker 6: need to go back to playing defense like it's nineteen
Speaker 6: thirty seven.
Speaker 2: I think that's what you're already doing.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, look.
Speaker 8: At how the Broncos have been able to shift. I mean,
Speaker 8: we were just talking about it last week. Two years ago,
Speaker 8: they had seventy points scored on them in a season game.
Speaker 8: And it's not necessarily emmy. Granted, you have Pats er ten,
Speaker 8: you have a lot of those guys Drake Greenwall who
Speaker 8: didn't play yesterday, FYI, oh Jesus, But they turned their
Speaker 8: defense around in two years. Arguably they were pretty decent
Speaker 8: last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pretty good.
Speaker 5: So a year and a half, yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think it would take that long
Speaker 8: if you had the personnel.
Speaker 2: Dude, the advance.
Speaker 6: Joseph has done an unbelievable job with that unit.
Speaker 2: I mean, the pride that it took for him to
Speaker 2: set aside. There's a question he was a head coach
Speaker 2: and he comes back.
Speaker 4: To serrad Up, I'm going to ask you this question, no,
Speaker 4: head to head, is Vance Joseph a better coordinator right
Speaker 4: now than Matt Ebraflus, Yes, I mean yeah, then that's
Speaker 4: probably combined with your personnel point. That's probably why it
Speaker 4: only took a year and a half to turn it around.
Speaker 2: So you've and that's a great point. It's not just
Speaker 2: one thing exactly, and that's where the frustration contu It's
Speaker 2: not just one thing, but you got to give some
Speaker 2: time there because you don't have the personnel. But if
Speaker 2: you don't have the personnel, then are you really going
Speaker 2: to have some success down the line too. That's where
Speaker 2: all of this kind of circles back to teks Scott.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying something has to say don't give
Speaker 2: the time. I'm saying that the invoice that comes with
Speaker 2: giving the time is when starts to close on QB one.
Speaker 2: To transition from this man primary personnel to a zone
Speaker 2: centric will take a couple of years to establish, establish
Speaker 2: a solidify, and that's no guarantee that once it solidified,
Speaker 2: that it certainly pops like you're waiting for that spark,
Speaker 2: but that spark might not come and one to two years.
Speaker 7: And I mean, these are all parts of the conversation, and.
Speaker 8: For me, the bigger indicator of that is take the
Speaker 8: time that you have now to improve the personnel of
Speaker 8: your defense, regardless of anything. And if that doesn't work,
Speaker 8: and hopefully it is guys that have two or three
Speaker 8: years left on their contracts, so you have that flexibility
Speaker 8: to any on your roster exactly. But this offseason, if
Speaker 8: we are thinking the same thing and we're not going
Speaker 8: to the super Bowl this year, probably not breaking news,
Speaker 8: but use free agency to improve the defensive side of
Speaker 8: the ball.
Speaker 5: Get guys that you.
Speaker 8: Know are going to contribute in a big way. I'm
Speaker 8: tired of the guessing game. You're talking about, you know,
Speaker 8: rebuilding through the draft, and I totally agree. You're going
Speaker 8: to need those picks regardless if you're making trades like
Speaker 8: you have them, you need them. So you're going to
Speaker 8: need that, You're going to need free agency, You're.
Speaker 5: Going to need all of these elements.
Speaker 8: Of it everything to rebuild a defense that you can certainly.
Speaker 5: Do, yes, if you get the right guys.
Speaker 2: Gotta find a way to get the right guys. We'll
Speaker 2: talk a little bit more about this on the other
Speaker 2: side of the break and then I want to bring
Speaker 2: back the offensive conversation. Forty four to twenty four, Dallas
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Speaker 4: I've been seeing some good things totally. They have some talent.
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Speaker 2: a season high forty four points, and I mean it
Speaker 2: wasn't pretty at any point in the You give up
Speaker 2: twenty seven in the first half, and then right when
Speaker 2: you have an opportunity to try and make it a
Speaker 2: game in the second half, you give up touchdowns again, touchdowns,
Speaker 2: not field goals, and it all kind of plays a factor.
Speaker 2: We were kind of talking on the break there a
Speaker 2: little bit. There was some conversation from other media outlets.
Speaker 2: I don't want to put a name on it, but
Speaker 2: other media outlets in the area that are talking about
Speaker 2: how you might as well trade the draft picks that
Speaker 2: you have because you can't draft well on the defensive
Speaker 2: side of the ball, and I get there's some frustration there.
Speaker 2: There's a couple second round picks that you've missed on.
Speaker 2: I mean, you haven't seen it from Sam Williams. We're
Speaker 2: four years into that experiment. You've seen you've seen why
Speaker 2: they've done it, the green flags, but then you've also
Speaker 2: seen the red flags and you've also seen plenty of
Speaker 2: yellow flags too, in the way that it's all kind
Speaker 2: of worked out from an official standpoint, I see what
Speaker 2: you were doing there.
Speaker 6: But that's the funniest. A little further portion of yesterday
Speaker 6: was there was a set of tweets from Patrick where
Speaker 6: it was like Sam Williams made a great play to
Speaker 6: tackle for the loss of the goal line. It was
Speaker 6: like he tweeted out like Sam with a great play.
Speaker 6: He quote tweets at one play later with and then a.
Speaker 7: Flag and there's the penalty.
Speaker 8: And that was that was the most like I'm always
Speaker 8: gonna have one, He's always good for one.
Speaker 6: That was the most Sam Williams stretch of football ever.
Speaker 6: You make it incredible play and then you automatically get penalized.
Speaker 6: Do on the next play.
Speaker 2: But going back to the point second round picks you've
Speaker 2: you may have missed on Sam Williams, you probably have.
Speaker 2: You from Marshawn Neeland standpoint, you haven't seen it from
Speaker 2: Marshon Nland as a second round pick. And Donovan Azarak,
Speaker 2: who probably has flashed at times, but he hasn't shown
Speaker 2: the same caliber pass rush you anticipated him to have
Speaker 2: after you drafted him out of Boston College and after
Speaker 2: you saw what you did in the preseason and in
Speaker 2: training camp, felt like he was going to have a
Speaker 2: bigger impact. Development is the number one thing for Ezy,
Speaker 2: same thing for Marshawn Neeland, both guys within their first
Speaker 2: two years of their career.
Speaker 8: I will say, when you've missed, you've missed huge, Okay,
Speaker 8: and it's.
Speaker 5: Glaring the ones that you have missed.
Speaker 2: And who are some of those guys.
Speaker 5: You talked about Taco, you talked about Mazi.
Speaker 8: I mean, those names are going to stick in the
Speaker 8: craws a lot of Cowboys fans for a long time
Speaker 8: completely because those are supposed to be like you know,
Speaker 8: tent Pole guys, right, And you missed big time, But
Speaker 8: you also drafted Micah Parts.
Speaker 2: You drafted Micah, you drafted Trayvon, you drafted to Ron Blaine.
Speaker 2: You drafted, oh so a Digizu, You've drafted third day three,
Speaker 2: fifth round pick. Yeah, fifth round pick. You drafted all
Speaker 2: of these guys that are the core of your defense.
Speaker 2: The only impact player on your defense right now that
Speaker 2: you didn't draft was coming from another guy that you
Speaker 2: did draft, and that's Kenny Clark. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: whenever it comes to trading the draft picks, don't trade
Speaker 2: them just to trade them. No, And that's that's.
Speaker 5: The supposed to be a philosophy behind.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can't just trade them. Oh, we can't draft
Speaker 2: defensive talent. That's bs. That is terrible football knowledge, just
Speaker 2: playing and simple because they've missed. Every team is missed.
Speaker 2: And you missed big on Taco. You missed big on Mazie.
Speaker 2: Taco was a decade ago. Now Mazzi is at the
Speaker 2: end of his rookie contract. You missed on them playing
Speaker 2: in simple Oh well, and that's just part of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: However, you've made so many good draft picks. You can
Speaker 2: still use those draft picks in a philosophical way to
Speaker 2: go and make your football team better. Whether you draft
Speaker 2: your defensive talent, sure, fine, that's one way, or you
Speaker 2: go and get it to try not to wage the
Speaker 2: MVP caliber play. And yes, I know Dak had a
Speaker 2: down game yesterday, don't take away from what he did
Speaker 2: was historic the four games prior. Even in a one
Speaker 2: two to one situation, you still have good quarterback play
Speaker 2: right now, and you got to use it.
Speaker 5: Why you can teams miss?
Speaker 8: And if you consider how many Pro bowlayers the Cowboys
Speaker 8: had that they have drafted, it's not like they've traded
Speaker 8: for a lot of these guys. I mean, we just
Speaker 8: talked about how they necessarily weren't using free agency to
Speaker 8: the best of their abilities of the last few years.
Speaker 8: I mean, Dallas drafts pretty darn well considering I mean,
Speaker 8: Philly won a Super Bowl and they picked they drafted
Speaker 8: Jalen Raker. You know what I'm saying, Like teams miss,
Speaker 8: it's going to happen. That's what the draft is about.
Speaker 2: It's a couple guys.
Speaker 5: They've missed on a few guys. You know, it happens.
Speaker 5: But it's about what you're able to do.
Speaker 8: All encompassing free agency is included in this thing, and
Speaker 8: you finally started attributing that to your game plan in
Speaker 8: this last offseason.
Speaker 4: Guys too, Yes, they have those guys are from Okay.
Speaker 7: So here's the thing.
Speaker 6: Hey Andrew mccubo, where did he go?
Speaker 2: Hook him?
Speaker 4: Here's the thing about the Cowboys defense. And this is why,
Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about an expensive approach to
Speaker 4: trying to fix this issue, be it now and or
Speaker 4: come the off season to come.
Speaker 7: And this is a fantastic titbit of information.
Speaker 4: I mean, I hate the information, but the science is
Speaker 4: the science doesn't care what I mean. Shouts out Todd
Speaker 4: Archid for this one, he tweeted out last night. At
Speaker 4: the moment, Cowboys have allowed two hundred and fifty points
Speaker 4: this season, third most through eight games of a season
Speaker 4: in Cowboys franchise history. You know what other Cowboys teams
Speaker 4: have given up more than this twenty twenty five version.
Speaker 4: Mike On, that's one. That's one and the other. You'd
Speaker 4: have to go back to the expansion year nineteen sixty
Speaker 4: when the Cowboys, right when they're playing in the Rochester
Speaker 4: Jeffersons leather helmets. But no, seriously, you have to go
Speaker 4: back to the expansion season where the Cowboys joined the
Speaker 4: league to find one of only two defenses that have
Speaker 4: performed more poorly than this one. So this is actually
Speaker 4: saying go ahead and.
Speaker 5: Say I don't like those words.
Speaker 4: Here's here's how much more disturbing this becomes. For those
Speaker 4: of us who've covered the team and saw the Rob
Speaker 4: Ryan years. You need to tell me this, this defense
Speaker 4: is worse than.
Speaker 2: The Rob Ryan years, which it is.
Speaker 7: You have to throw everything at it.
Speaker 4: You have to throw the draft at it, you have
Speaker 4: to throw the Eagles approach, the free agency at.
Speaker 7: The kitchen, sink, the tub in the out just.
Speaker 4: With the water still running, everything, pipes included, everything.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk more about the offense tomorrow. We didn't
Speaker 2: get back to it. It's I mean, when you give
Speaker 2: up forty four points in the way that they did,
Speaker 2: in the fashion that they did, you got to talk
Speaker 2: a lot about the defensive.
Speaker 4: They could have hung sixty on this team if they wanted.
Speaker 4: Absolutely you can drop in the end zone. By I mean, they,
Speaker 4: oh my god, shut it down and.
Speaker 2: Shut it down. We'll talk more about the offense tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Plus we'll have some talking Tuesday. We'll take your phone
Speaker 2: calls eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven.
Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody out there would like to have their
Speaker 2: voice heard. Uh, appreciate you guys being active in civil
Speaker 2: as much as possible. In the chat today, it's been
Speaker 2: very active, some good debates in there too, But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think everybody's frustrated at this point in time. You're
Speaker 2: three four and one, you're below five hundred, and the
Speaker 2: Cowboys have not played very well, uh in a can
Speaker 2: consistent manner throughout the year, and you want to see
Speaker 2: back to back games. You want to stack some wins.
Speaker 2: And now, even if you do get a win this
Speaker 2: week on Monday Night football, you're back to five hundred
Speaker 2: and you go into a bye week, so you can't
Speaker 2: even stack weeks in that regard. You gotta wait two
Speaker 2: weeks until you get another Monday Night football matchup against
Speaker 2: the Raiders. So lots of things to talk about with
Speaker 2: this football team, and the trade deadline approaching to whether
Speaker 2: or not they're going to buy or sell will be
Speaker 2: a question mark. But I just I don't think you
Speaker 2: can sit here and do nothing. That's where you can't
Speaker 2: just sit on you answer not with this franchise, was
Speaker 2: that go sell? And that's Tommy's vote for Tommy, Ris,
Speaker 2: Josh Rodriguez, Patrick Nosey Walker, Chris Beam In the back
Speaker 2: of Kyle Yoman saying so long from Talking Cowboys. We'll
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow for a Talking Tuesday.
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