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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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Speaker 2: Cowboys. This He's Talking Cowboys, springing live from the Dallas

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Speaker 3: Put Jake Burgers here, Puscott Kinson, Teddy.

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Speaker 4: And now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez

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Speaker 4: and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 2: Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star in Fresco,

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Speaker 2: Texas in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got

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Speaker 2: Patrick noc Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Yarish with Chris Beam

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Speaker 2: in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. After the Cowboys fall

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Speaker 2: to the Denver Broncos forty four twenty four. The fine

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Speaker 2: score in Week eight. It was not pretty, it was

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Speaker 2: not good, and I said this on the postgame shows

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Speaker 2: last night. But there are just some days when you

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Speaker 2: don't have it and you don't play very well. There

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Speaker 2: are some days when you beat yourself and penalties play

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Speaker 2: a large factor, and then there are other days where

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Speaker 2: the talent on the other side you just aren't as

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Speaker 2: good as and I think yesterday was a combination of

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Speaker 2: the three. You weren't as good as the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 2: Even when you had the opportunity to play better, you

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Speaker 2: probably didn't. You didn't execute the same way that you

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Speaker 2: have at different points in the season. And then if

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Speaker 2: all of that fails and you were finally executing, penalties

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Speaker 2: shot you in the foot. Nine penalties for eighty yards,

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Speaker 2: much of that happening in the first half. At least

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Speaker 2: they weren't self inflicted, right, they were all self inflicted.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's how penalties work a lot of the time.

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Speaker 5: Cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that one too, But it was just

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Speaker 2: not a good day. Dallas falls to three four and

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Speaker 2: one seasons not over yet, but as Jerry Jones said yesterday,

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Speaker 2: there is a long way to go with this football team.

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Speaker 2: You played a playoff caliber team yesterday, and you saw

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Speaker 2: how you stack up against the playoff caliber team. And

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Speaker 2: I'll start with the gentlemen that were that were there yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Patrick Nosey Walker, I'll let you start. It was not

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Speaker 2: pretty in the Mile High City.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't. He'll be doing me a favor. Cute that

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Speaker 4: old brother Sounder real quick?

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Speaker 6: Oh no, it's because I'm here, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not that we love having.

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Speaker 4: Oh brother, this guy Stacks set a plus to everybody,

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Speaker 4: with the exception of maybe Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens.

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Speaker 7: They did their best.

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Speaker 4: Avonte Williams, he did what he could when he was

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Speaker 4: given the opportunities to do what he could. Thirteen the

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Speaker 4: only thirteen opportunities, and unfortunately none of those opportunities came

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Speaker 4: in on that first drive when you were you know,

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Speaker 4: second in gold or Okay, yeah, I'm thinking of I'll

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Speaker 4: give shouts u Queasy Bridges for that interception. Initially, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: to set up the cow Boys offense to go do

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Speaker 4: a thing. But I mean I just named less than

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Speaker 4: a handful of people that actually kind of deserve some credit.

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Speaker 4: Everybody else stole some money yesterday from the Cowboys and

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Speaker 4: I'm talking coaches too, so yeah, stole some money.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, free check.

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Speaker 4: I do respect what Shotty said, because you know, Shotty

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Speaker 4: got up there and he said, I was not very

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Speaker 4: good today. He said, Matty Riflus was not very good today.

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Speaker 4: Clayton Adams was not very good today. I mean, when

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Speaker 4: you stink up the joint like that, I mean they

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Speaker 4: absolutely got trampled by the Broncos.

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Speaker 7: There's there's nothing nice.

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Speaker 4: To sprinkle on it, right, It's just a pile of

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Speaker 4: what it is, which is horse crap. So I don't

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Speaker 4: I mean, the cowboys don't know who the cowboys are

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Speaker 4: right now. So when you asked that Dak Prescott the

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Speaker 4: question last night, you're three four on one, what's your identity?

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Speaker 4: He's like, our identity is inconsistency, perfectly said, because that's

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Speaker 4: exactly what it is. And Kyle, you pointed everything out

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Speaker 4: perfectly in the in the in the prelude to this,

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Speaker 4: which is you know, you knew that the defense was

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Speaker 4: everything before. You hope they could replicate what they did

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but you figure you.

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Speaker 4: Had a little bit of hope, Yeah, a little bit

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Speaker 4: of hope. But you just knew that the offense was

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Speaker 4: going to show up. We tried to say it last week.

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Speaker 4: You just knew they were going to show up.

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Speaker 2: And everybody was saying, what was the term last week

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, well yeah, people said that we were glazing

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Speaker 8: when to Broncos.

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Speaker 7: How good the Broncos defense.

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Speaker 8: We tried, we literally tried to tell you that this

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Speaker 8: previewed it on Friday talking about how stout their defensive

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Speaker 8: to stack the box against the run game, and basically,

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Speaker 8: you know, my thought process was, if Javanti Williams isn't

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Speaker 8: just pinning it on Javante, but if the run game

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Speaker 8: isn't able to get going in the first two quarters,

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Speaker 8: the game is done.

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Speaker 5: Yeah done?

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Speaker 7: And what would really kill them?

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Speaker 5: And you lost by halftime, by the way, Yeah you did.

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Speaker 4: And there's something that correlates here. You basically lost by halftime.

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Speaker 4: Most of those penalties were in the first half. In

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Speaker 4: the first half, oh okay, you had a couple of

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Speaker 4: those that killed the first drive and then it just

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Speaker 4: kind of went from there. And then on the defensive

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Speaker 4: which you could have been off the field and three

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Speaker 4: because here you are again. You got guys getting wide

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Speaker 4: man coverage. Here we are again. You only blitched, you know,

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Speaker 4: twenty four percent of the time listing or the time,

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Speaker 4: which correlation you only got pressure on bo Nick's twenty

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Speaker 7: It's not a lot.

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Speaker 4: There's not a lot. So whenever you blitzed, you got pressure.

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Speaker 4: Whenever you didn't blitz, you didn't get pressure. Okay, and

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Speaker 4: you weren't stopping the run. Okay, over four hundred yards

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Speaker 4: almost two hundred and seventy yards allowed in the first

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Speaker 8: At one point, they were averaging nine yards to carry

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Speaker 5: Denver, well.

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Speaker 7: Despicable.

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Speaker 5: That just you don't win games that way.

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Speaker 6: They're averaging thirteen yards of play at one point too.

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Speaker 6: Look, you know, I just don't think that this is

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Speaker 6: a great football team, to be honest, Yeah, I think that,

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Speaker 6: you know, defense obviously, it's either to say that defensively

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Speaker 6: they even have one lies, is hey, we can go

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Speaker 6: and kind of score points and move the ball down

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Speaker 6: the field offensively. But even still yesterday, I thought they

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Speaker 2: Of the game.

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Speaker 6: You've got second and goal from the one. Deevontae Williams

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Speaker 6: Brian Schottenheimer maybe got a little bit too cute trying

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Speaker 6: know they've run the slip play action plays really well

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Speaker 6: and it's worked, but I think that's one where look,

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Speaker 6: Denver is a really good line of scrimmage team, and

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Speaker 6: Dallas had a chance early to kind of punch him

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Speaker 6: We're here to play physical, and I think they missed

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Speaker 6: just way too much undisciplined play from a team that

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Speaker 6: identity is. You can't find any sort of consistency relatively

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Speaker 6: outside of the offense, and it's just bad. It's just

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Speaker 6: not great football. And you know this team. The thing

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Speaker 6: that is worrisome is this team has good players, and

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Speaker 6: a lot of those good players granted didn't play yesterday

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Speaker 6: defensively because they're injured, but the fact that there is

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Speaker 6: up a lot of questions. I know the trade will

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Speaker 6: and it's been a big one, and oh do you

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Speaker 6: go out in trade? No? No, no, I don't think

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Speaker 6: you do. I think yesterday shows you. I've said this

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Speaker 6: from the jump. I don't think there's one player. And

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Speaker 6: we talked about this on Talking Cowboys. Is it last

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Speaker 6: week or the week before.

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Speaker 2: Two weeks ago when they after they lost to Carolina,

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Speaker 2: We talked about it.

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Speaker 6: There is no one player. There is no two players

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Speaker 6: unless you get to all pros at their respective positions

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Speaker 6: that can trade that can change this defense for this season.

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Speaker 6: I think you look at this and you say, Okay,

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Speaker 6: the season's not over by any means, but you hold

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Speaker 6: through the draft. I think in today's NFL, building through

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Speaker 6: the draft is a way to win super Bowls. And

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Speaker 6: the Cowboys have now two drafts coming up where they've

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Speaker 6: got four first round picks, and that is a war

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Speaker 6: this defense. You don't have to use all of them

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Speaker 6: through these next couple of drafts. I know it's difficult

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Speaker 6: pill to swallow, especially when we're sitting in the present

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Speaker 6: and we're talking about the future. Right but right now

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Speaker 6: this is this is not a team that I think

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Speaker 6: I think that that is that is a that is

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Speaker 6: a big stretch. But once again, you know, this offense

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Speaker 6: is going to be something that can keep you in games.

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Speaker 6: But if your defense can't find any sort of footing,

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Speaker 6: your identity at all, it's just going to be ugly.

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Speaker 5: And I liked what Tony Romo was saying.

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Speaker 8: I mean not that I liked those words, I just

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Speaker 8: liked how he brought up that. In they kept referencing

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Speaker 8: this twenty thirteen game, you know, Romo versus Manning and

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Speaker 8: how the offense was able to put up forty eight

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Speaker 8: points and lost fifty one to forty eight, and that

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Speaker 8: being a sort of perfect amalgam for what's happening now

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Speaker 8: with the Dallas cowboyshere. The offense is just so good

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Speaker 8: and they didn't play very good yesterday, but that was

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Speaker 8: then of course the penalties that kind of got you

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Speaker 5: But for me, the game was lost.

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Speaker 8: You know, your defense makes a play and puts you

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Speaker 8: and you were able to muster up three points out

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Speaker 2: And this is not a team that has to need

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Speaker 8: And time and time again, the Cowboys have proved that

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Speaker 8: they don't win those games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those are.

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Speaker 5: This is the litmus test.

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Speaker 8: Dallas Cowboys are going up against an actual contender and

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Speaker 8: the result continues to be the same. Outside looking in,

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Speaker 6: It is difficult to really get a good litmus test

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Speaker 6: Seven wins and the Jets got their first one yesterday. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Are we gonna learn?

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Speaker 5: When are we gonna learn?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think I mean, I predicted Denver would win yeah Friday,

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Speaker 2: Dak's not going anywhere, CED's not going anywhere. You could

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Speaker 8: No, it's not gonna take one or two players. I mean,

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Speaker 2: And I think you're gonna get a couple guys. I

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Speaker 8: For the audio listeners, Patrick had a perfect response just

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Speaker 5: He's just like, you know what, what do you do?

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Speaker 7: That you know, great, wonderful. What's your identity on defense?

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Speaker 7: You gotta try.

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Speaker 2: So clearly there anybody should know it's right.

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Speaker 4: and now there is another aspect to it, which is,

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Speaker 4: you know, personnel wise, I mean, Jesus christ Man, you

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Speaker 4: had to put your nickel corner at safety because you

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Speaker 4: ran out of safeties, right, So guys right, so that

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Speaker 4: matters as well, So you know, let's talk about everything

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Speaker 4: that matters. But my point being, whether you're trading for

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Speaker 4: a guy or two, and I am on the boat

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Speaker 4: of trading for two guys, not one night two Now

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Speaker 4: you need to you need to pay.

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Speaker 7: That's rusher and you need the safety.

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Speaker 4: I feel like the linebacker corp will stabilize once de

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Speaker 4: Marionovshung is back and back to form.

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Speaker 7: I think that stabilizes things.

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Speaker 4: But regardless of if you're siding with me and you

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Speaker 4: feel like you want to trade for one or two players,

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Speaker 4: or you're siding with Kyle and Tommy, I think Josh

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Speaker 4: as well. As far as keeping the picks, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: matter which one of us, which one of the tables

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Speaker 4: you sit down at.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you have to agree that.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, the problem, one of

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Speaker 4: the bigger problems is what scheme are you?

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Speaker 7: What are you doing on defense?

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Speaker 5: And remember, dude, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Remember I also flipped too because I'm I'm worried about

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Speaker 2: and initially I was saying, hold on to the draft picks.

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Speaker 2: I'm worried about wasting Dak Prescott's MVP caliber play. That's

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Speaker 2: where I'm saying, Okay, maybe we should go get a

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Speaker 2: draft pick, but then you look at the defense and

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Speaker 2: the inconsistencies and all of these different elements here to

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Speaker 2: say there is no identity. How much is it going

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Speaker 2: to fix even if you do go and do it.

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Speaker 2: So I don't want to sit here and do nothing.

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Speaker 2: With Dak Prescott playing the way that he has. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to sit here on my hands and just say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know what it is, what it is. Hopefully he

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Speaker 2: comes back in twenty six and twenty seven and plays

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Speaker 2: the rest of his contract like this. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to do that because that's not how the NFL works.

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Speaker 2: You got to take advantage of opportunities when you have

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Speaker 2: them now. And the most frustrating part about all of

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Speaker 2: this and the debate that you're going to have, is

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Speaker 2: you're either wasting the window or you're throwing potatoes at

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Speaker 2: the wall trying to see if it sticks on defense,

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Speaker 2: and that's what the picks would be. They would be

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Speaker 2: potatoes at the wall. Hopefully a pass rusher helps, Hopefully

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Speaker 2: a safety helps. Hopefully the linebackers start playing better when

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Speaker 2: Demarby and Overshow's back, Hopefully. Savona Rebel is a third

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Speaker 2: round pick out of East Carolina can play immediately. All

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Speaker 2: of it is a ho and hope is not a strategy,

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Speaker 2: and that's what it is on the defensive side, and

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Speaker 2: that's what's so frustrating for Cowboys fan.

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Speaker 8: I think hold on really quick above all, regardless of

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Speaker 8: all of this trade, hold on to the picks.

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Speaker 5: Whatever it is, some needs to change.

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Speaker 2: Now, you got to do something.

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Speaker 5: Something needs to change.

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Speaker 6: I'll make two quick points and then i'll give you

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Speaker 6: all a question going into our break. So number one,

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Speaker 6: to Patrick's point about identity with four first round picks,

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Speaker 6: I think you can find guys who can help establish

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Speaker 6: an identity for you on defense. Not a guarantee. I'm

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Speaker 6: not guaranteeing anything. I'm not Charles Barkley. But I think

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Speaker 6: you can find guys that help you set the tone

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Speaker 6: on defense. And you know, there are a couple of

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Speaker 6: guys that I love college football. If you follow me

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Speaker 6: on Twitter, you see that there are a couple of

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Speaker 6: guys that I watch around the country and I'm just like, oh, man,

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Speaker 6: I would love to cover that guy because even he's

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Speaker 6: so good. And you know the other thing too, is

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Speaker 6: I have no issue with trading some of that capital

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Speaker 6: for a player. If and only if it is a

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Speaker 6: young player that is under contract for the next three

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Speaker 6: or four three or four years, say three or four years.

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Speaker 6: And because that would be the only way, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 6: that would be the only way that you could make

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Speaker 6: the most of moving on from a capitol like a

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Speaker 6: first round pick or a second round pick, is if

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Speaker 6: you get somebody that's going to be around for you

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Speaker 6: consistently for this defense. You can't trade for one year

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Speaker 6: rentals at this point. And the question that I'll give you,

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Speaker 6: guys going in a break, We've talked about scheme and

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Speaker 6: this defense, and oh my god, it's awful. This is

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Speaker 6: the third defensive coordinator for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: In three years.

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Speaker 6: Do you think that a change is what is needed?

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Speaker 6: Or at some point do you feel like Dallas just

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Speaker 6: has to sit down and give a guy time. Because

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Speaker 6: if you move on from Matt Eberflus, then you've got

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Speaker 6: your fourth defensive coordinator in four years. And at some

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Speaker 6: point you've got to let a scheme stabilize and you

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Speaker 6: can't keep changing things up on guys because some guys

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Speaker 6: are gonna fit great, some guys are not gonna fit great,

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Speaker 6: and you're not gonna know that. So at some point

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Speaker 6: do you say, Okay, this is our guy. We're gonna

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Speaker 6: give him time, and we're gonna ride it out and

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Speaker 2: And we're gonna answer that question on the other side

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Speaker 7: Where are you not it? How's it going? You see

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Speaker 7: that Cowboys game? Oh?

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Speaker 6: I watched.

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Speaker 4: I've been seeing some good things totally. They have some talent.

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Speaker 4: You have some great talent.

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Speaker 1: And they got some fight hoping. This is the year

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Speaker 1: me too. Oh, I'm Cody. By the way, I'm Travis.

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Speaker 7: Nice to meet you. Travis. Go Cowboys Go.

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Speaker 2: is in the building and he just proposed a phenomenal question,

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Speaker 2: Thank you the career. First phenomenal question of your career.

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Speaker 5: Also tell me I wish you were here for a

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Speaker 5: win every once in a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you always show up what.

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Speaker 6: I call me in whenever they lose? I'm sorry, Well,

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Speaker 6: when I started here, it was I was liaking at

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Speaker 6: the Troit game. I think they lost like what five

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Speaker 6: straight before the Washington game when Cavante Turpin finally got

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Speaker 6: me a win. But yeah, no, if you missed before

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Speaker 6: the break, the question that I posed was, you know,

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Speaker 6: Mattie Refluss, Dallas's third defensive coordinator in the last three years,

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Speaker 6: and at least from my perspective, and you guys, if

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Speaker 6: you have a different opinion, please feel free to throw

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Speaker 6: it out there. I think it is really difficult for players,

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Speaker 6: and you see this all the time, especially with young quarterbacks,

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Speaker 6: is when they've got a change in their head coach

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Speaker 6: or their play caller, offensive coordinator, whatever it may be,

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Speaker 6: you can see their development kind of really start to struggle.

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Speaker 6: And guys that have had that turm wheel, like a

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Speaker 6: Justin Fields or even a Baker Mayfield, a guy who's

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Speaker 6: turned it around, can just necessarily not be in the

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Speaker 6: right spot and having different voices over the course of

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Speaker 6: their career can make things hard. And so my question

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Speaker 6: was for Dallas is at some point, whether it be

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Speaker 6: with Maddieberfluse or even if you move on from them

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Speaker 6: and take somebody else, do you just have to sit

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Speaker 6: down with a guy, even if it means going through

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Speaker 6: a season like you're going through right now, And do

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Speaker 6: you just have to stick with somebody and give somebody

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Speaker 6: time to get something going. I know it's an NFL

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Speaker 6: stands for not for long, and that goes for coaches too,

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Speaker 6: especially now because nobody is patient. But at some point

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Speaker 6: do you have to settle into, hey, we've got to

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Speaker 6: keep somebody, not just Maddiberflus because Maddie Reflues has not

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Speaker 6: done a good job this year. Just straight up and

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Speaker 6: I don't know if anybody could have been a good

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Speaker 6: job with this personnel, but especially Tony.

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Speaker 2: Said that yesterday too, he said, I would have a

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Speaker 2: tough time, yeah, if I were in the same.

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Speaker 6: Situation, especially but especially this unit. It's been very poor.

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Speaker 6: At some point though, do you just need to give

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Speaker 6: these guys a sense of continuity in their defensive play caller,

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Speaker 6: because if you're just going to keep changing things on

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Speaker 6: them you're in and year out, I think it's going

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Speaker 6: to be hard to develop.

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Speaker 8: I would argue that I don't think that was Dallas's

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Speaker 8: plan necessarily to keep Matt Iberfluse around for a long time.

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Speaker 8: He's a guy that's coming off of a head coaching job.

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Speaker 8: Granted he was fired, but he's sort of one of

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Speaker 8: those bigger names that like, eventually, you know, and Shotty

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Speaker 8: said it before, it's like, oh, he will be a.

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Speaker 5: Head coach again in the NFL.

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Speaker 8: I don't think you can bank on that necessarily, that's

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Speaker 8: the least at least now, but that's his goal, right,

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Speaker 8: So I think the Cowboys sort of went into it.

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Speaker 8: It's like, Okay, let's build an identity using what Matt

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Speaker 8: Eberflus wants to do and then sort of build around that.

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Speaker 8: But you know, maybe it's a dan Quinn situation too,

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Speaker 8: where they kind of anticipated at least a few years

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Speaker 8: of getting that identity figured out right, but you're not

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Speaker 8: seeing it at all, at least with with dan Quinn,

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Speaker 8: you very early on saw indications of what that might be,

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Speaker 8: and that was turnovers, right, Yeah, that was one thing

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Speaker 8: that you could always clean on and pressure.

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Speaker 2: And you know why they saw the flash of pressure

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Speaker 2: and why they saw the flash of turnovers early in

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Speaker 2: dan Quinn's tenure. Why is that kind of because they

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Speaker 2: struck gold at a pass thrusher. They struck gold with

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Speaker 2: Micah Parsons in the draft.

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Speaker 6: Where's that guy?

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Speaker 2: He's in Green Bay? Well last night. That's the thing

657
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: for me, is you struck gold even they didn't want it.

658
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: Remember they were at ten in that draft and they

659
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: were wanting Pats or ten for good reason. By the way,

660
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: they wanted j. C. Horn. They both go bang, yeah,

661
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: they're both great players, bang bang in front of them

662
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: to Carolina and to Denver. They're sitting at ten and

663
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: they say, mmmmm, maybe we should trade back. We don't

664
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: really love a ton of these options. We'll trade back

665
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: a couple spots, and then if Micah or Rashaun Slater

666
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: fall to us for good reason fall to us, then

667
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we'll make the pick. They made

668
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Speaker 2: the pick at twelve after they traded, so even they

669
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: didn't know what they had or else, they would have

670
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: taken the opportunity to trade up and go get Micah,

671
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: just as anybody would have if they would have thought

672
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: that was the case. They knew of the draft. They

673
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: struck gold with Micah. Dan Quinn was able to build

674
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Speaker 2: his system with an elite pass rusher as a rookie

675
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: who finished with twelve and a half sacks or thirteen

676
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: sacks or whatever it was. And that's how they were

677
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: able to do that. You don't have that guy, don't

678
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: have that type of player and even the personnel on

679
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: this team to do that. And remember that was after

680
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: you had three coordinators in three years as well, because

681
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: you went.

682
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Speaker 5: From and you saw a Dala at the time.

683
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 7: But you have had, like arguably stabilizer.

684
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: Stabilized if you had Trayvon Diggs who had played under

685
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: you pretty well for a year.

686
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 7: The pieces were there.

687
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 8: The pieces are not there right now. They don't have

688
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 8: the same person if Kenny Clark and a bunch of

689
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 8: dudes some guys.

690
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well my question is when you okay, so when

691
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 4: you look at the personnel, if everyone is healthy, look

692
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Speaker 4: at it from that capacity, and then you ask yourself

693
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: this in addressing Tommy's question, if you're the Cowboys, you

694
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: have a personnel set one completely healthy that is designed

695
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: to primarily run man. So I'll simplify it and just

696
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: put it to that. Yeah, you have a defensive coordinator

697
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 4: that primarily runs zone right. Yeah, So the question is

698
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 4: if you're if you're entertaining or hoping that may even

699
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 4: flu stays around because you want the continuity, how long

700
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: do you think it would take to transition the current

701
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: personnel to a set of personnel for the new DC

702
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 4: to be able to have hopeful success in running the

703
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: scheme he actually wants to run. Yeah, that'll take two, three,

704
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: maybe even four years, depending on how you draft. Because

705
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: you're not going to hit one hundred percent on all

706
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: of your draft picks. That's not how it goes. So

707
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: even though you're one of the better, one of the

708
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 4: best actually as far as scouting draft talent, you're just

709
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: not going to hit one hundred percent of the time.

710
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: So that's my thing, my concern there is and I'm

711
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 4: not saying you know that it can't be done. I'm

712
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 4: saying that you have to understand the transition period. So

713
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 4: you talk about potentially wasting the window that Dak Prescott has.

714
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 4: He needs a defense and put it out. He played

715
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: poorly yesterday, but he played poorly because of a couple

716
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 4: of decisions. He made the triple coverage Jake Ferguson, don't

717
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 4: throw that ball every again in your life.

718
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 7: Just don't. Okay.

719
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: At the same time, to be fair, he was under

720
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 4: siege all games, so at that point he's trying to

721
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 4: play hero ball. He was pressing, and he admitted that

722
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: he was kind of pressing because he was trying to

723
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 4: make something happen, trying to get a spark. So that

724
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 4: being said, you have to wonder transition wise, if you

725
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 4: want continuity, what's the what's the invoice for the continuity?

726
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 4: Because you got to pay the invoice. What's the invoice

727
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 4: If the invoice is it takes you two to three

728
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: years to get the personnel right for the coordinator that

729
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 4: you have.

730
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Speaker 7: I don't know, Jim, Yeah, I don't know.

731
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 4: Because in three years from now, is Dak Prescott still

732
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 4: playing at this level?

733
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: Probably not.

734
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 5: Probably in that case, you need better personnel on defense.

735
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: That's where I'm at.

736
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 6: You you absolutely and you need that all around, regardless

737
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 6: of your defensive coordinator.

738
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there were problems at the end of dan Quinn's

739
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: tenure whenever it came to this defense, right, Yes, I

740
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: mean absolutely. It wasn't perfect with dan Quinn. Everybody wants

741
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: to believe that those three years with dan Quinn twenty

742
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: one to twenty three, they couldn't stop a nose billion

743
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: all those takeaways, the takeaways were great, and it helped

744
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: tide a lot of the problems. Yes, it helped hide

745
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: a lot of the issues, and Michael Parsons helped hide

746
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: a lot of the issues on it.

747
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 5: But this is still a bad run defense regardless.

748
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: And then you turn around and you've got Mike Zimmer.

749
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: You had some hope with Mike Zimmer that he would

750
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: bring in a new thought process, but you're able to

751
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: stop the run wrong. Yeah, boom one and done. He

752
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: didn't have a great year whenever that came around. At

753
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: some point, when do you look yourself in the mirror

754
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: as a defense and say this team just doesn't have

755
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 2: the personnel. They just don't have the players on defense. Yeah,

756
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: we've had three coordinators in three years, and I'm sure

757
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: some continuity would help. But if you have bad players

758
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: and you have a bad system, or not even let's

759
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: take the system out of it. If you have bad players,

760
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: the best system in the world is still not going

761
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: to be enough.

762
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 7: It's true.

763
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: You can scheme it up as much as possible and

764
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: it might help a little bit, but it's not going

765
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: to help you enough to go win what you want

766
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: to win, which is ultimately an NFC East Crown, ANFC title,

767
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: and go to a Super Bowl and possibly win it.

768
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 2: That's not happening when you have bad players on defense.

769
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 6: I mean, Nick Saban in his prime at Alabama couldn't

770
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 6: fix this group.

771
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: Like there's just nothing there's couldn't fix the Miami Dolphins.

772
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 6: Well, I'm just saying in general, I'm just one thinking

773
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 6: of a good defensive coach.

774
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: He went sixteen and sixteen.

775
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 6: That was a great point, thank you, all right, Well,

776
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 6: I'll never make a point.

777
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart could Kirby Smart fixed.

778
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 6: Kirby Smart couldn't fix this year, And Kirby Smart makes

779
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 6: everything you could put, you could put, you can put

780
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 6: burn orange helmets on the other team, and he still

781
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 6: wouldn't be able to fix.

782
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 7: H coach of the Jefferson.

783
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: Jefferson fixed.

784
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 6: You know what, that's what we need to do. We

785
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 6: need to go back to playing defense like it's nineteen

786
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 6: thirty seven.

787
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: I think that's what you're already doing.

788
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, look.

789
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 8: At how the Broncos have been able to shift. I mean,

790
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 8: we were just talking about it last week. Two years ago,

791
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 8: they had seventy points scored on them in a season game.

792
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 8: And it's not necessarily emmy. Granted, you have Pats er ten,

793
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 8: you have a lot of those guys Drake Greenwall who

794
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 8: didn't play yesterday, FYI, oh Jesus, But they turned their

795
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 8: defense around in two years. Arguably they were pretty decent

796
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 8: last year.

797
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pretty good.

798
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 5: So a year and a half, yeah.

799
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think it would take that long

800
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 8: if you had the personnel.

801
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: Dude, the advance.

802
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 6: Joseph has done an unbelievable job with that unit.

803
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: I mean, the pride that it took for him to

804
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: set aside. There's a question he was a head coach

805
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: and he comes back.

806
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 4: To serrad Up, I'm going to ask you this question, no,

807
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 4: head to head, is Vance Joseph a better coordinator right

808
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 4: now than Matt Ebraflus, Yes, I mean yeah, then that's

809
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 4: probably combined with your personnel point. That's probably why it

810
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 4: only took a year and a half to turn it around.

811
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: So you've and that's a great point. It's not just

812
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 2: one thing exactly, and that's where the frustration contu It's

813
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: not just one thing, but you got to give some

814
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: time there because you don't have the personnel. But if

815
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: you don't have the personnel, then are you really going

816
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: to have some success down the line too. That's where

817
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: all of this kind of circles back to teks Scott.

818
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying something has to say don't give

819
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: the time. I'm saying that the invoice that comes with

820
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: giving the time is when starts to close on QB one.

821
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 2: To transition from this man primary personnel to a zone

822
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 2: centric will take a couple of years to establish, establish

823
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: a solidify, and that's no guarantee that once it solidified,

824
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: that it certainly pops like you're waiting for that spark,

825
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 2: but that spark might not come and one to two years.

826
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 7: And I mean, these are all parts of the conversation, and.

827
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 8: For me, the bigger indicator of that is take the

828
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 8: time that you have now to improve the personnel of

829
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 8: your defense, regardless of anything. And if that doesn't work,

830
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 8: and hopefully it is guys that have two or three

831
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 8: years left on their contracts, so you have that flexibility

832
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 8: to any on your roster exactly. But this offseason, if

833
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 8: we are thinking the same thing and we're not going

834
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 8: to the super Bowl this year, probably not breaking news,

835
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 8: but use free agency to improve the defensive side of

836
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 8: the ball.

837
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 5: Get guys that you.

838
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 8: Know are going to contribute in a big way. I'm

839
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 8: tired of the guessing game. You're talking about, you know,

840
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 8: rebuilding through the draft, and I totally agree. You're going

841
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 8: to need those picks regardless if you're making trades like

842
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 8: you have them, you need them. So you're going to

843
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 8: need that, You're going to need free agency, You're.

844
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 5: Going to need all of these elements.

845
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 8: Of it everything to rebuild a defense that you can certainly.

846
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 5: Do, yes, if you get the right guys.

847
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: Gotta find a way to get the right guys. We'll

848
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: talk a little bit more about this on the other

849
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: side of the break and then I want to bring

850
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: back the offensive conversation. Forty four to twenty four, Dallas

851
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: loses to Denver more talking Cowboys after this.

852
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,439
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853
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 4: Oh?

854
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: I watched.

855
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: I've been seeing some good things totally. They have some talent.

856
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 4: You have some great talent, and.

857
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: They got some fight hoping this is the year me too. Oh,

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859
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Speaker 2: a season high forty four points, and I mean it

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Speaker 2: wasn't pretty at any point in the You give up

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Speaker 2: twenty seven in the first half, and then right when

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Speaker 2: you have an opportunity to try and make it a

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00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: game in the second half, you give up touchdowns again, touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: not field goals, and it all kind of plays a factor.

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Speaker 2: We were kind of talking on the break there a

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Speaker 2: little bit. There was some conversation from other media outlets.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to put a name on it, but

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Speaker 2: other media outlets in the area that are talking about

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Speaker 2: how you might as well trade the draft picks that

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Speaker 2: you have because you can't draft well on the defensive

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Speaker 2: side of the ball, and I get there's some frustration there.

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Speaker 2: There's a couple second round picks that you've missed on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you haven't seen it from Sam Williams. We're

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Speaker 2: four years into that experiment. You've seen you've seen why

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Speaker 2: they've done it, the green flags, but then you've also

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Speaker 2: seen the red flags and you've also seen plenty of

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Speaker 2: yellow flags too, in the way that it's all kind

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Speaker 2: of worked out from an official standpoint, I see what

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Speaker 2: you were doing there.

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Speaker 6: But that's the funniest. A little further portion of yesterday

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Speaker 6: was there was a set of tweets from Patrick where

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Speaker 6: it was like Sam Williams made a great play to

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Speaker 6: tackle for the loss of the goal line. It was

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Speaker 6: like he tweeted out like Sam with a great play.

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Speaker 6: He quote tweets at one play later with and then a.

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Speaker 7: Flag and there's the penalty.

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Speaker 8: And that was that was the most like I'm always

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Speaker 8: gonna have one, He's always good for one.

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Speaker 6: That was the most Sam Williams stretch of football ever.

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Speaker 6: You make it incredible play and then you automatically get penalized.

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Speaker 6: Do on the next play.

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Speaker 2: But going back to the point second round picks you've

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Speaker 2: you may have missed on Sam Williams, you probably have.

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Speaker 2: You from Marshawn Neeland standpoint, you haven't seen it from

943
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Speaker 2: Marshon Nland as a second round pick. And Donovan Azarak,

944
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Speaker 2: who probably has flashed at times, but he hasn't shown

945
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Speaker 2: the same caliber pass rush you anticipated him to have

946
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Speaker 2: after you drafted him out of Boston College and after

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Speaker 2: you saw what you did in the preseason and in

948
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Speaker 2: training camp, felt like he was going to have a

949
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Speaker 2: bigger impact. Development is the number one thing for Ezy,

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Speaker 2: same thing for Marshawn Neeland, both guys within their first

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Speaker 2: two years of their career.

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Speaker 8: I will say, when you've missed, you've missed huge, Okay,

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Speaker 8: and it's.

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Speaker 5: Glaring the ones that you have missed.

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Speaker 2: And who are some of those guys.

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Speaker 5: You talked about Taco, you talked about Mazi.

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Speaker 8: I mean, those names are going to stick in the

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Speaker 8: craws a lot of Cowboys fans for a long time

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Speaker 8: completely because those are supposed to be like you know,

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Speaker 8: tent Pole guys, right, And you missed big time, But

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Speaker 8: you also drafted Micah Parts.

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Speaker 2: You drafted Micah, you drafted Trayvon, you drafted to Ron Blaine.

963
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Speaker 2: You drafted, oh so a Digizu, You've drafted third day three,

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Speaker 2: fifth round pick. Yeah, fifth round pick. You drafted all

965
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Speaker 2: of these guys that are the core of your defense.

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Speaker 2: The only impact player on your defense right now that

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Speaker 2: you didn't draft was coming from another guy that you

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Speaker 2: did draft, and that's Kenny Clark. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: whenever it comes to trading the draft picks, don't trade

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Speaker 2: them just to trade them. No, And that's that's.

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Speaker 5: The supposed to be a philosophy behind.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you can't just trade them. Oh, we can't draft

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Speaker 2: defensive talent. That's bs. That is terrible football knowledge, just

974
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Speaker 2: playing and simple because they've missed. Every team is missed.

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Speaker 2: And you missed big on Taco. You missed big on Mazie.

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Speaker 2: Taco was a decade ago. Now Mazzi is at the

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Speaker 2: end of his rookie contract. You missed on them playing

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Speaker 2: in simple Oh well, and that's just part of it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: However, you've made so many good draft picks. You can

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Speaker 2: still use those draft picks in a philosophical way to

982
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Speaker 2: go and make your football team better. Whether you draft

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Speaker 2: your defensive talent, sure, fine, that's one way, or you

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Speaker 2: go and get it to try not to wage the

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Speaker 2: MVP caliber play. And yes, I know Dak had a

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Speaker 2: down game yesterday, don't take away from what he did

987
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Speaker 2: was historic the four games prior. Even in a one

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Speaker 2: two to one situation, you still have good quarterback play

989
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Speaker 2: right now, and you got to use it.

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Speaker 5: Why you can teams miss?

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Speaker 8: And if you consider how many Pro bowlayers the Cowboys

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Speaker 8: had that they have drafted, it's not like they've traded

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Speaker 8: for a lot of these guys. I mean, we just

994
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Speaker 8: talked about how they necessarily weren't using free agency to

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Speaker 8: the best of their abilities of the last few years.

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Speaker 8: I mean, Dallas drafts pretty darn well considering I mean,

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Speaker 8: Philly won a Super Bowl and they picked they drafted

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Speaker 8: Jalen Raker. You know what I'm saying, Like teams miss,

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Speaker 8: it's going to happen. That's what the draft is about.

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Speaker 2: It's a couple guys.

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Speaker 5: They've missed on a few guys. You know, it happens.

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Speaker 5: But it's about what you're able to do.

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Speaker 8: All encompassing free agency is included in this thing, and

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Speaker 8: you finally started attributing that to your game plan in

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Speaker 8: this last offseason.

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Speaker 4: Guys too, Yes, they have those guys are from Okay.

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Speaker 7: So here's the thing.

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Speaker 6: Hey Andrew mccubo, where did he go?

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Speaker 2: Hook him?

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing about the Cowboys defense. And this is why,

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Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about an expensive approach to

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Speaker 4: trying to fix this issue, be it now and or

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Speaker 4: come the off season to come.

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Speaker 7: And this is a fantastic titbit of information.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I hate the information, but the science is

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Speaker 4: the science doesn't care what I mean. Shouts out Todd

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Speaker 4: Archid for this one, he tweeted out last night. At

1018
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 4: the moment, Cowboys have allowed two hundred and fifty points

1019
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 4: this season, third most through eight games of a season

1020
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Speaker 4: in Cowboys franchise history. You know what other Cowboys teams

1021
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 4: have given up more than this twenty twenty five version.

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00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 4: Mike On, that's one. That's one and the other. You'd

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00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 4: have to go back to the expansion year nineteen sixty

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Speaker 4: when the Cowboys, right when they're playing in the Rochester

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00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 4: Jeffersons leather helmets. But no, seriously, you have to go

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00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 4: back to the expansion season where the Cowboys joined the

1027
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 4: league to find one of only two defenses that have

1028
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 4: performed more poorly than this one. So this is actually

1029
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Speaker 4: saying go ahead and.

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Speaker 5: Say I don't like those words.

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Speaker 4: Here's here's how much more disturbing this becomes. For those

1032
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 4: of us who've covered the team and saw the Rob

1033
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: Ryan years. You need to tell me this, this defense

1034
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 4: is worse than.

1035
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: The Rob Ryan years, which it is.

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Speaker 7: You have to throw everything at it.

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Speaker 4: You have to throw the draft at it, you have

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00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 4: to throw the Eagles approach, the free agency at.

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Speaker 7: The kitchen, sink, the tub in the out just.

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Speaker 4: With the water still running, everything, pipes included, everything.

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00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk more about the offense tomorrow. We didn't

1042
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: get back to it. It's I mean, when you give

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00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: up forty four points in the way that they did,

1044
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: in the fashion that they did, you got to talk

1045
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: a lot about the defensive.

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00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: They could have hung sixty on this team if they wanted.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely you can drop in the end zone. By I mean, they,

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00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 4: oh my god, shut it down and.

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00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: Shut it down. We'll talk more about the offense tomorrow.

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00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 2: Plus we'll have some talking Tuesday. We'll take your phone

1051
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Speaker 2: calls eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven.

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00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody out there would like to have their

1053
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: voice heard. Uh, appreciate you guys being active in civil

1054
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: as much as possible. In the chat today, it's been

1055
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,959
Speaker 2: very active, some good debates in there too, But yeah,

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00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: I think everybody's frustrated at this point in time. You're

1057
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: three four and one, you're below five hundred, and the

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00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: Cowboys have not played very well, uh in a can

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00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: consistent manner throughout the year, and you want to see

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00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: back to back games. You want to stack some wins.

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Speaker 2: And now, even if you do get a win this

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Speaker 2: week on Monday Night football, you're back to five hundred

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Speaker 2: and you go into a bye week, so you can't

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00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 2: even stack weeks in that regard. You gotta wait two

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00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: weeks until you get another Monday Night football matchup against

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Speaker 2: the Raiders. So lots of things to talk about with

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00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 2: this football team, and the trade deadline approaching to whether

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00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: or not they're going to buy or sell will be

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Speaker 2: a question mark. But I just I don't think you

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Speaker 2: can sit here and do nothing. That's where you can't

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Speaker 2: just sit on you answer not with this franchise, was

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Speaker 2: that go sell? And that's Tommy's vote for Tommy, Ris,

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Speaker 2: Josh Rodriguez, Patrick Nosey Walker, Chris Beam In the back

1074
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Speaker 2: of Kyle Yoman saying so long from Talking Cowboys. We'll

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Speaker 2: see you tomorrow for a Talking Tuesday.

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