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Speaker 1: Some of You may have seen the viral Apple Music

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Speaker 1: about the albums that were quintessential to our development as

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Speaker 1: black women. Joining me today is our community assistant Naisha,

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Speaker 1: our project manager Lex, our production assistant Zaria, and our

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Speaker 1: album related prompts like most underrated album or an album

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Speaker 1: So we are back always exciting to have the team

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Speaker 1: very fun conversation today. So we know that Apple recently

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Speaker 1: came up with their top one hundred albums of all time,

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Speaker 1: and of course we had to do like a TVG

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Speaker 1: team with me today to discuss our favorite albums. So

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Speaker 1: let's start by people going around telling who you are

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Speaker 1: and what you do here on the team.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Lex and I'm virtual assistant slash project manager on

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Speaker 3: the team.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, I am na share our community assistant.

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Speaker 4: Hi everyone, my name is Zaria Taylor.

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Speaker 5: I'm a Rizon junior, I spell my college, and I

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Speaker 4: Hey everyone, I am the senior producer of the Therapy

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Speaker 4: for Black Girls podcast Beautiful.

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Speaker 1: So we have a wonderful assortment of team members, not

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Speaker 1: our full team, but quite a few members of the

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Speaker 1: list that has been going around.

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Speaker 2: I've been seeing posts. If you asked me that the

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Speaker 1: So I feel like, I mean, there's of course been

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Speaker 1: lots of conversation, but I think most of the conversation

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Speaker 1: has been around miseducation of Lauren Hill being number one.

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Speaker 1: So what were your reactions specifically to that being named

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Speaker 2: Well, it was the album when it came out. However,

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Speaker 2: it came out, and it still is. I mean, she

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Speaker 2: was just at Essence last year and she performed that album.

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Speaker 2: Come on, it's almost thirty years later, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, to add to that point, if we're judging by impact,

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Speaker 5: because if I have to say my own personal opinion,

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Speaker 5: it's not my favorite album. I don't even know if

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Speaker 5: they don't get me wrong, I like some songs off

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Speaker 4: I support it being the number one album on the

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Speaker 4: I was just like really excited to see it at

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Speaker 4: When I think of other albums that we talk about

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Speaker 4: to see a black woman be at the top of

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Speaker 3: I was happy to see it at the top of

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Speaker 6: But I think it's a solid number one choice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like many of you, I mean, I definitely was

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Speaker 1: it definitely feels like a defining album for me. And

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, Okay, I could see it, like I

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Speaker 1: But many of you have hinted at this next question.

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Speaker 5: Well, I want to say first it comes to comparing

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Speaker 5: But if I had to answer the question, I would

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Speaker 5: say impact for sure. So as we're mentioning with the

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Speaker 5: Sometimes album can even influence people's style at the time,

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Speaker 5: So if there was like a series of music videos,

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Speaker 4: I'll actually diverge from what Zaria said. I love pop music,

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Speaker 4: it really excites me to compare music. I think about

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Speaker 4: which the album was produced. So that's something that's really

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Speaker 4: important to me. And I do think having quote unquote

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Speaker 4: popular songs, whether that's the songs are popular to a

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Speaker 4: that is the best. Of course, like my personal taste

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Speaker 4: think that's really important to me. But then, like what

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Speaker 3: You guys were also objective, and I'm very much like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Because this made me think, I don't know that I

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Speaker 3: because it's just so difficult, and like you said, Zaria,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I really want to emphasize, with Zaria mentioned,

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Speaker 2: right there. But for me personally, if I can listen

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Speaker 2: to this album every season, at every moment, then that's real.

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Speaker 2: Like we're not going to put on Mariah Carrey's How

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Speaker 2: if I could put on mis Education, I'm vibing today

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Speaker 2: as well as New as Eve, as well as on

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Speaker 2: Christmas Day. So that's just my personal thoughts. So it's

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Speaker 2: kind of like what Lex was saying, it's based on

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Speaker 2: how I feel. However, there are artists including Beyonce and

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Speaker 1: It was such an important point that you made, Zaria

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Speaker 1: around the impact and like, how many other genres and

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Speaker 6: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 7: Be Channel Orange, Channel Orange, both of them. But when

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Speaker 4: I get it. But when I think of the best

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Speaker 2: I can agree there too. But I enjoy Frank Ocean

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Speaker 2: in total Channelonge got me through college whatever year it

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Speaker 3: Y'all?

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Speaker 5: Is this a safe space because I have to my truth?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I have to speak my truth, y'all. I have to

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Speaker 4: Assert being older than you.

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Speaker 7: Saria.

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Speaker 4: Don't get it.

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Speaker 6: I don't get it.

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Speaker 5: Let me just say generally this is a theme for me,

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Speaker 5: I love thinking about You though that's my song, but

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Speaker 3: And I'm one dred percent with the least where I'm like,

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Speaker 6: I think that Top to Bottom is like a perfect album.

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Speaker 6: And so I was shocked to see that Blonde was

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Speaker 6: It would get to the end.

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Speaker 3: And I would just loop it back around, like she

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Speaker 6: Grandmother, my mom. I love that song. That definitely belong

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Speaker 2: I'd love to go back when Lek's Shared Confessions was

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Speaker 1: So My Life, I think is number eighty five on

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Speaker 4: Nile Rogers if you don't know, he is the guitarist

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Speaker 2: So I'm curious to hear.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there is any danger in like

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Speaker 4: So from who they selected, I think I was thrown

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Speaker 4: journalists who crafted this list that we just don't know

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Speaker 4: their names. That's what I'm assuming. But I do think

441
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Speaker 4: it was odd that of how how foundational black women

442
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 4: have been to music, there was not a black woman

443
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 4: who was a part of the marketed kind of conversation

444
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 4: the face of this list. That was harmful to me. Now,

445
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 4: although we see a black woman at the number one spot,

446
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 4: I do think when I look at the list overall,

447
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 4: there are a lack of black women artists. To me,

448
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 4: it's interesting that the Beatles is so heavy on this

449
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 4: list and they're not American, even though they had a

450
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 4: big impact in the States. Outside of the Beatles, there's

451
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Speaker 4: a lack of artists who had a big impact in

452
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Speaker 4: the States who are not Americans. So that's a part

453
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 4: of the lack of diversity that we see. But number

454
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Speaker 4: two is I wrote for Rolling Stone about Beyonce's greatest songs,

455
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 4: and I thought who they picked was very, very diverse.

456
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 4: I thought it was really intentional, but I see the differences,

457
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 4: like we were given space to write about it, and

458
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 4: so everyone's own personality got to shine through. Although Apple

459
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 4: did a little bit of that. I think when the

460
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 4: list is so big in general, that's when diversity starts

461
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 4: to be a problem, because it's, Okay, what does best mean?

462
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 4: Are we limiting this to American artists? What is the

463
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 4: time frame? And so I think it's maybe less about

464
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 4: like the personnel and less about who is this list for.

465
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 4: How are we defining best? And I do think this

466
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 4: Apple list, I wish I had a little bit more

467
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 4: insight into that. But then I also wish there was

468
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 4: any woman of color at the forefront of those who

469
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Speaker 4: are talking about the canon of popular music.

470
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Speaker 2: Seeing missy Elia a super Dupa Fly, I'm a diehard

471
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: Miss Celia fan. I'm like, y'all chose super Dupa Fly,

472
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: y'all could have chose under construction. It was just weird.

473
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: And then now I'm literally seeing bad Bunny is above this.

474
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 2: I feel like there was some shade there, like Bad

475
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: Bunny came out.

476
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Speaker 6: Three four years ago.

477
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Speaker 2: Maybe fine, But I also like Pharall did have some

478
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: insight on it as well, and I would think Phararel

479
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 2: will pump up these albums a little bit more. I'm

480
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 2: not sure how much of an insight he had. The

481
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 2: first thing I think of my mind was not everybody

482
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Speaker 2: has Apple music about the enjoyd uses. Obviously I have

483
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: an iPhone, but who's listening to Apple only? So it

484
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 2: was just like many thoughts throughout my head. But again,

485
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 2: when these charts are just booming, I'm like, who really

486
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: chooses it? I don't know, And it's been like that

487
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: since I was a child. I'm like, who decided this?

488
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: Because I didn't listen to that song, I didn't listen

489
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: to that album, but just to consume, I guess.

490
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Speaker 5: I think I found myself wary of the list for

491
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 5: several reasons. I think this is a marketing scheme, so

492
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 5: the sincerity of the ranking, to me, I don't buy it.

493
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 5: I feel like there are certain albums that were played

494
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 5: certain ways so that they can get a reaction from

495
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Speaker 5: the public. So that's one, and then two, I think

496
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 5: when we talk about music, there's a misconception that it

497
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 5: is like innocent. But our views about music don't just

498
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 5: happen out of a vacuum, like our biases play into

499
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 5: how we listen to music. So for example, a reluctance

500
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 5: to listen to international music, that can be some microaggressive racism,

501
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 5: not wanting to listen to stuffiside another language. Or for example,

502
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 5: a lot of the abrasiveness towards hip hop, especially from

503
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 5: white people, is a lot of racism about you know,

504
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 5: all they do is talk about money and girls and da.

505
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 3: Da da da da.

506
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 5: So because of that, I think that those views most

507
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 5: definitely played a part in how the list was crafted,

508
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 5: and so because of that, it makes me less likely

509
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 5: to view it with any credibility. But I also wasn't

510
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 5: going to view or credibility anyways, because, like I said,

511
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 5: I think it's a marketing scheme.

512
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: Exactly that Saria I was going to say something very similar.

513
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: It's the same thing like when we had the Oscar

514
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: So White campaign, right, and it's like we give all

515
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 3: of this validation or we allow these institutions to hold

516
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: all these weight deciding who to give awards to. And

517
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: this feels the same thing of like I think they

518
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: tried to have a little bit of something for everybody

519
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: on this list, right, and like you don't want to

520
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 3: piss off certain demographics and populations, and so I think

521
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 3: it's convenient that we don't see like a notable black woman,

522
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: even like a black journalist like a Dreamhampton or a

523
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Speaker 3: Danielle Smith on that list.

524
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Speaker 6: We don't see that.

525
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,239
Speaker 3: But then putting a black woman's album as the number one,

526
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: it almost feels like a gimme. So while the album

527
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 3: is great, right, a lot of these albums are favorites

528
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: and they're great in their own right, I know that

529
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: this is essentially like marketing content like a thirty under

530
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: thirty list is the same thing.

531
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think even thinking about Lauren Hill's feelings

532
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: about Miseducation right, like, I think she has a conflictual

533
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: kind of relationship even with that album herself. We've already

534
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: talked about the impact, but thinking about how that even

535
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: feels for her for this album to be like named

536
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: the one number one album of all time when it's

537
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: not even something she can perform and it's like original format. Anyway,

538
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: great thoughts there. I appreciate y'all sharing that. More from

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549
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Speaker 1: you already talked about feeling like can anything post twenty

550
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: ten really be classified as a classic? Can anything like

551
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: that even make it onto a list like that?

552
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: So?

553
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Speaker 1: Are there any newer albums, like maybe within the last

554
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: two to three years that y'all think could classify already

555
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: as a classic or kind of raised to the level

556
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: of being on a list like this?

557
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 4: So a seat at the table is on here, But

558
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 4: when I get home, that's gonna come back around. Bubb

559
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 4: Ba by Kate Trenada I think really does define like

560
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 4: modern day dance and house music is controlled by SUSA.

561
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 3: On the list, it is Alwas, and that's one that

562
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: I would argue does not belong on the list. I

563
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: love her down but that's when I got to shake

564
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 3: the table like Zaria. I think it was z Was

565
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 3: the project that she released before that that to me is.

566
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 6: Like a classic says a project.

567
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 4: But Control, I was like, so, so I should not be

568
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 4: on this list at all. And that's why because I

569
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 4: wasn't the biggest fan, but Control, it's amazing the cultural

570
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 4: impact is there. So that's one where you know it

571
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 4: came out recently, but I think it should be on

572
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: the list. This may be controversial, but I really love

573
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 4: Olivia Rodrigo and I think that's the name of the album.

574
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 4: I think that should be on the list. Maybe Billie

575
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 4: Eilish or some more underground artists have had like a

576
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 4: punk pop sensibility, but I don't think we've seen an

577
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: artist like Olivia rod Rigo since Avril Levine in two

578
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 4: thousand and three. So that's someone who I definitely put

579
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 4: on the list. I really love Blood Orange dev Hines

580
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 4: his project, so I could see in a few years,

581
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 4: just like where alternative R and B pop goes, especially

582
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 4: for like black artists. They're pretty influential to that space,

583
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: so maybe their albums could be on the list, but

584
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 4: those are the ones that came to mind origionally.

585
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: I am upset about Jazz and Sullivan not being on here. Yes,

586
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: Jazz and obviously the most recent Hotels. And as I

587
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: go through it now when we're talking about Sissa Control,

588
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, control what happened? So mainly Jazz and

589
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: Sullivan for me because she won a Grammy for this one, right, yeah,

590
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened. And like I'm looking at Nwa,

591
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: I'm also looking at Ellmatic, not saying these were not his,

592
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: but it was just like, let's make sure we throw

593
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: that in there. That's how I feel.

594
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: I have a couple.

595
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 5: I know Alicia mentioned Bubba by Kay Trinada, but Timeless.

596
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 5: His most recent album is Timeless. I love it, so

597
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 5: I feel like that will be a classic. And then

598
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 5: Bryson Tiller's Trap Soul. I feel like that album is very,

599
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 5: very influential. It didn't necessarily birth, but it definitely brought

600
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 5: out a lot more of these half rapper half singer types,

601
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 5: whether that is a good thing or a bad thing,

602
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 5: because I feel like he definitely was responsible for like

603
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 5: a Brent Bayaz type vibe where like it's just chill

604
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 5: type music. And then I agree about control sos should

605
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 5: not be on this list. I should have mentioned that

606
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 5: in the snubs. I do not like the album. I

607
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 5: hate it actually, so that should not be on here.

608
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 5: And then I agree about hotels. And then lastly I

609
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 5: want to mention Paramore's self titled album that has Still

610
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 5: Into You, and then ain't It Fun?

611
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 4: Those are like Negro.

612
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 5: Spirituals, Like those are like such great songs, so I

613
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 5: would include those.

614
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 6: I'm gonna give the caveat that. I don't know.

615
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: This is more like my personal top one hundred, and

616
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm gonna be cleaning my house on

617
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: Sundays at like fifty and sixty still listening to Mother

618
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: by Cleo Soul. I feel like that was an instant

619
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: classic album.

620
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 6: It is me.

621
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: It's a certain vibe. But that's another one that I

622
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: feel like can spand generations and it's just so good,

623
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: Like the replay value is so good, but it is

624
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: kind of slow, so that might not be for Sarry.

625
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: I was just checking there's no Destiny Shot album one here,

626
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: not at all, and there's two Beyonce albums. Cheers, but

627
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: what happened? Letn't disrespect Beyonce. You put Nwa on here.

628
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: We're just sticking in the black category where and I'm

629
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Speaker 2: just I'm like, wow, this list is very interesting to me.

630
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: There's two Prince albums, It's great, but what happened to

631
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: Dustin's Shop?

632
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: And I will just have to add Renaissance because I

633
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: feel like that still is a no Skiffs album. I mean,

634
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: she does have two on the list, so self titled

635
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: and Lemonade, which I would not argue with, but I

636
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: definitely feel like Renaissance again is a not skip album

637
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: for me, and it feels very emblematic of the post pandemic,

638
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: though not quite because we are not, but it does

639
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: feel like the reintroduction to gathering and joy and celebration

640
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: and it felt perfectly timed. So I definitely feel like

641
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: it may have been too early for inclusion on this list,

642
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: but I definitely feel like that is going to be

643
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: something that is a classic album down the line.

644
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: Taylor Swifts nineteen ninety nine was included that came out

645
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three.

646
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 6: It wasn't it was too late.

647
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: Lemonade is an album that I understand why it's on

648
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 4: the list, but I'm not presently on Eliminade staying through

649
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 4: the whole thing. No, this is a sidebar. My thoughts

650
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: on Lemonade are a lot of the demo and live

651
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: versions of that album are leaps and bounds better than

652
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 4: the songs that we actually hear on the album Don't

653
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 4: Hurt Yourself live at Homecoming Live, I might y'all should

654
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 4: have done the live recording and for the album Sorry demo,

655
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 4: we didn't even need Sorry once I heard Sorry, don't

656
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 4: need it. But I think a lot of the songs

657
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: I'll listen to individually, but I'm not listening to the

658
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: album like top to bottom. It is too much for me.

659
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: I'm with Elise too. I typically turn Lemonade off when we.

660
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 6: Get to the like forgiveness part. That's true.

661
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: I'm good, y'all.

662
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 5: This conversation is going to be what tears our team

663
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 5: apart for real Lemonade.

664
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: Hete it's just so repulsive.

665
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love Lemonade.

666
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna need a group therapy session as a team

667
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: to rehals to bring it back together after this conversation. Okay,

668
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: so now I have a bit of a round robin,

669
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: though it doesn't have to necessarily be rapid fire. I

670
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: have some prompts and I want each of you to

671
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: share what comes to mind for the following prompts. So

672
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: an album you feel is underrated.

673
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: Keep that Same Energy by Tianna Taylor.

674
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: Janney I go. The album is sail Out.

675
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 4: Mine would be I have to.

676
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 5: I have Funk Wave Bounces by Calvin Harris and then

677
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 5: over It by Summer Walker, which I also feel like

678
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 5: is going to be classic ten years from now.

679
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: I do love Summer The lyrics sometimes are hard for

680
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: me to relate to, but I just love her voice.

681
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: I think for me it's going to be Seeing Sounds

682
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: by NRD.

683
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: I will have to go with t MIA's first album,

684
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: but really, her whole catalog I think is criminally underrated. Okay,

685
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: what about an album that brings up memories from childhood

686
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: or teenagehood for you?

687
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: TLC, Oh My Goodness, TLC Waterfalls. Wait, the list Oh

688
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: My Goodness toocs are on the same. I'm a little upset.

689
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: I don't agree. I'm about to become an android user,

690
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: I'm just joking, So definitely yeh toc artists as a whole,

691
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: but Waterfalls and SWV Oh my god. See yeah, I'm

692
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: getting a little upset and be quiet now.

693
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: Childhood definitely, Goodies by Sierra, The Emancipation of Me, Me,

694
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 4: and then Teenage Years, The Weekend, like the Trilogy, Channel

695
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 4: Orange Watch the Throne, which I thought should have been

696
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 4: on this list, Good Kidmas City too. Those are the

697
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: teenage albums.

698
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: So for me, I'm thinking by Duism and any State Property,

699
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: all the albums the CDs that I used to steal

700
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: out of my mom's car, But by Duism was the

701
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: first one I used to take from my mom, and

702
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: I played it so much that it like scratched and

703
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: it would skip. I think about Childhood a lot for

704
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: that one, and Secrets by Tony Braxton, which I was

705
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 3: way too young to be singing along to those songs,

706
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: but that's a classic album for sure.

707
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 5: I have a hard time answering this question because when

708
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 5: I was younger, I didn't have the attention span to

709
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 5: listen to albums in full, so I really only have songs.

710
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 5: I was listening to a lot of white pop music,

711
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 5: and like what was popular on Billboard when I was younger,

712
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 5: so unfortunately a lot of Taylor Swift was what I

713
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 5: was listening to, Harry Styles, things of that nature.

714
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: I want to.

715
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 4: Circle back because I cannot leave this and not say,

716
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: like childhood and teenage years, Lady Gaga, I am a

717
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 4: little monster like I was listening to Lady Gaga. I

718
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 4: think the first CD that I was like knocking on

719
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 4: my parents' door, like we need to go buy this

720
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 4: was Lady Gaga's first album. Oh and I don't know

721
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: if you guys know Toro Eymoa his first album. That album,

722
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: when I was in late middle school early high school,

723
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 4: was really really big.

724
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 2: I'd love to share small, like a thirty second story.

725
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: So my grandmother said, do you want to see Lion

726
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: King or Broadway or buy a CD player? And I

727
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: chose CD player and the album I got was Pink's

728
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: Misunderstood and I was it and I didn't get to

729
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: see Lion King on Broadway, but my grandmother gave me

730
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: a choice.

731
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: I support past Nacia's choice. That is a good one

732
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 3: when I think about childhood too. Stop Falling is another

733
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: song where it's like Alexis you are ten, You've never

734
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: had your heartbroken? Why do you keep listening to this

735
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: song on repeat? Because it was a great song? Yeah,

736
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: great choice. Nation.

737
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: The generational differences are really coming through here because my

738
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: childhood pick is Luther Vandraw. So this was one of

739
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: my auntie's favite favorite artists and I just remember listening

740
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: to his catalog all the time. So I will have

741
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: to say Luther Vandraw. Okay, what about an album that

742
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: your parents are older family put you onto.

743
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 5: I have two answers, So first would be the Waiting

744
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 5: to Exhale soundtrack, and that has several really classic songs

745
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 5: on there. And then secondly, People's Instinctive Travels by a

746
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 5: Triplald Quest. That album it brings a lot of nostalgia

747
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 5: to me because it was played around me a lot.

748
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: So Papa was a rolling Stone. I don't remember what

749
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: year this came out, but my mother in law put

750
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: my daughter onto it, and it's an eleven minute song

751
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: and she requests it in the car. I didn't listen

752
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: to a grown up that much, but we listened to

753
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: the entire thing very often, and I didn't realize just

754
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: I think Lex has said it, I was listening to

755
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: songs I should not have been listening to, Like when

756
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 2: it comes to even Tony Braxtt SMBB Escape, I remember

757
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: having hairbrushes and my grandmother's like just sing and I

758
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't let my daughter listen to that music now, but

759
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: I laugh. I laugh.

760
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: For me, it's just Whitney Houston period where my dad's

761
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: side of the family are musically inclined. They sing, play instruments.

762
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 3: My mom's side of the family should not. So when

763
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: my mom is like pretending to sing, right, Whitney is

764
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: her artist, and so growing up listening to Whitney Houston,

765
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 3: she is like my number one artist of all time.

766
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 3: And it's because of my mom's influence.

767
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 4: This is on the list and it's so funny. I

768
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 4: saw someone on Twitter screenshots I would be like, wtf

769
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 4: is this? It's Aja by Steely Dan. I love Steely Dan.

770
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 4: I love Blue Eyed Soul and Yacht Rocks, So that

771
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 4: is one of my favorite albums. My dad's favorite song

772
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 4: was Deacon Blues by Steely Dan, So that's an album

773
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 4: that my dad put me onto. My mom, I'd say

774
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: she loves Print like any Prince album. I know every

775
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 4: Prince song. I have a Prince tattoo when I think

776
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 4: of my mom, I think of Prince and then my

777
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 4: cousins who are a lot older than me, but I

778
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 4: guess when I was growing up there in their early

779
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: twenties mid twenties, they Love Love, Love, Dayglass Soul, a

780
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: Tribe call Quest, and so Three Feet High and Rising

781
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 4: is one of the albums I feel like I remember

782
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: through family.

783
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: And I will say Anita Baker Rapture because that was

784
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: one of the Saturday morning cleaning songs that my mom

785
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: would play, So I definitely associated with that, but also

786
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: just love Anita Baker now, so that definitely would be

787
00:37:50,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: my answer. More from our conversation after the break, Okay,

788
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: what about an album you associate with a specific season

789
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: or time of the year.

790
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: I'll jump in really quick. We're just gonna go with

791
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: Mariah Carey's holiday music as well as Destin Shoo. I literally,

792
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure half the world plays it during

793
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: that time.

794
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: Amory's All I Have is not necessarily a spring or

795
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 4: summer album. It's when it gets hot in the spring

796
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: that's the album. Like when the weather breaks Amory's All

797
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 4: I Have.

798
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 5: I was gonna say Beyonce's Lion King soundtrack that whole

799
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 5: album reminds me of the summer. I don't know if

800
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 5: it came out in the summer, but there are a

801
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 5: couple of songs on there, Don't Jealous Me and also

802
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 5: a Brown Skin Girl that just give me like joyful

803
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 5: summer vibes.

804
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking reasonable doubt. Specifically, there's certain songs on

805
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: that album I have a specific memory tied to listen to,

806
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: feeling it while driving to the beach with my friends

807
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: and the sun roofs open and it's beautiful and it

808
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: just feels like an ideal, picturesque summer day. And so yeah,

809
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: reasonable doubt it's gonna be.

810
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: Mine, and I'm gonna go with a lease so a Marie,

811
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: but Touch was mine because one thing feels like the

812
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: beginning of summer song to me, So definitely Amory would Touch. Okay,

813
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: what about an album that helped you through a tough time?

814
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 6: That one's easy for me. Doctor Joy's Renaissance.

815
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: It's renaissance because I feel like the world was coming

816
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: back together, but personally things in my life were with family,

817
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: stuff was unexpectedly going crazy, and so that album just

818
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: feels like joy to me, Like I feel like I

819
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: can hop in the joy Portal and listen to Renaissance

820
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: at any time.

821
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 6: So that's my answer forever.

822
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: So for me, it is Scissor's Control. Though I couldn't

823
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: relate to all of the lyrics, but just the vibe

824
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: and Melie. I just became a mom. That's when I

825
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: first got my therapist. That's when I was trying to

826
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: be going to couples therapy. It wasn't working. It was

827
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: just like I just need this music to bring it

828
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: in for me. And then Jazz and Sullivan's Hotels, which

829
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: I'm still upset it's not on this list, but we

830
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: know we love it, and just it was a vibe

831
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: and she just she came back. I knew her when

832
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: she first came out and Missy and then she just

833
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: came back with so much more. But definitely physics control.

834
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna listen to that. I have to

835
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: get off.

836
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I also want to echo Renaissance. And then there's

837
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 5: an album by one of my favorite artists. It is

838
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 5: the band called Hiatus Coyote and they have album called

839
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 5: Mood Valiant. When I was going through a hard time,

840
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 5: like that album was literally just on repeat on my

841
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 5: headphones the entire time and the story behind that album.

842
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 5: The main singer of the band, she had a breast

843
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 5: cancer diagnosis. But the album, the lyrics and everything are

844
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 5: just so optimistic and so it made me think I

845
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 5: have stuff to be grateful for. And I plan on

846
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 5: getting some of the lyrics from that album tattooed actually

847
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 5: because it's so meaningful for me.

848
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: So yeah, me and my best friend we were going

849
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 4: through breakups at the same time in college and we

850
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 4: used to just listen to Blonde by Frank Ocean, like

851
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: back to back, So that is one. I think Frank

852
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 4: by Amy Winehouse is another, like breakup album or even

853
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 4: Back to Black, both of them that I'll listen to

854
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 4: a lot. And I know when I'm in a mood

855
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 4: where I need to boost my confidence, so not necessarily

856
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 4: a bad time in life or where I feel like

857
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 4: I need to level up, I'm listening to my beautiful, dark,

858
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 4: twisted Fantasy. The lyrics are so good and just like

859
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 4: some very cocky rapping going honest like you, sometimes you

860
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: just need to hear that to feel better.

861
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'd love to add AlSi shared. If I

862
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 2: need to boost my confidence, it is Pink Friday, Nicki

863
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 2: Minaj I'm like, what all of it I'm.

864
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: Going I will have to say going through the breakup?

865
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: So breakup album also with my high school boyfriend in

866
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: ninety six ninety seven, and my album was Share My

867
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: World by Mary J. Blige. I feel like it was

868
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: a very good one to help go through a breakup.

869
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: But I feel like Nation and Alia y'all have given

870
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: us another category that I hadn't planned on asking about

871
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: what is your confidence booster song or album?

872
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with self Titled by Beyonce. There are

873
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 5: just several songs come to mind. I mean Flawless by itself. Honestly,

874
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 5: that is like the song you sing in the Mirror

875
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 5: like I have so many afforcs that, so I would

876
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 5: say self titled.

877
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: And I honestly think I'm just gonna have to say

878
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: Renaissance again. I want to have another answer, but that

879
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 3: is my answer because that girl, it's just literally is like, okay,

880
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: I can do anything. Let me just remember who I

881
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: am really quick.

882
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I love the idea of renaissance. That feels like a

883
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: close second to me. But Golden by Jill Scott is

884
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: my classic kind of confidence booster. Okay, what about an

885
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: album by an audience from your hometown or region.

886
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: Obviously, Nicki's from the Jamaica Queens. I was born in

887
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: Jamaica Queens, so it hits on the market. Yeah, it's

888
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: Nicki for me.

889
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 5: So I have to I'm from Atlanta. So my first

890
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 5: one is by Young Thug. It's called so Much Fun.

891
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 5: That is like my quintessential, like high school album. I

892
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 5: love the album so much, and the name fits it

893
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 5: so well because it really is like a joyful album.

894
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 5: And then also, I know when people think of Kanye

895
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 5: was thick of Chicago, but he's actually born in Atlanta.

896
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 5: So Kanye is, unfortunately my problematic fave. He's my favorite rapper,

897
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 5: so I have several albums from him that I love.

898
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 5: But I'll mention It'll Heartbreaks because I think that album

899
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 5: is so influential to the modern rap scene in terms

900
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 5: of the usage of autotune and things of that nature.

901
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 5: I feel like he really birthed the wave with that album.

902
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 5: So I'll mention that one.

903
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 6: Okay, So I'm gonna mix it up a little bit.

904
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 6: I'm not from Philadelphia. I'm from a suburb outside of Philly,

905
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 6: So I'm just gonna take some creative liberty there.

906
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: My album is gonna be The Becoming by Beanie Siegel,

907
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: which is like, I don't listen to a bunch of

908
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: like gangster A violent stuff, but my high school boyfriend

909
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: was constantly playing that album and so uncharacteristically, I know,

910
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 3: like every song front to back, and I love it.

911
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 4: Okay, Wala, he's from Maryland. I'm from DC, but the

912
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 4: mixtape About Nothing by Walle, I really do love that album.

913
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 4: Marvin Gaye is from DC. I just love all of

914
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 4: Marvin Gaye's music in general, and I think it's very

915
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 4: representative of someone who was from DC at that time.

916
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: I'm always proud to claim that, you know, a lot

917
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 4: of R and B singers are from DC. So Maya

918
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 4: and Best to me the case of the X, those

919
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 4: are two of my favorite R and B songs. And

920
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 4: then generally I love Go Go music. But other than

921
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 4: like Chuck Brown, albums aren't really albums. There are just songs.

922
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 4: So yeah, those are the ones I'm thinking about. I'm

923
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 4: not that big of a Brent Faiaz fan. He's from Maryland.

924
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I like his music, but that is nothing

925
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Speaker 4: that I would like say, Okay, this is the album

926
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Speaker 4: I'm listening to.

927
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Speaker 1: Not really, y'all will not be at all surprised by

928
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: My choice is juvenile four hundred degrees, So y'all know

929
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: that back that thing up is my walkout music for

930
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Speaker 1: any speaking engagement. So that definitely is my college experience.

931
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: Louisiana experience is defined by classic bounce music.

932
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Speaker 4: Actually, now I feel really bad. Khalila is from DC

933
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 4: and she went to my sister's high school. Take Me

934
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 4: Apart is one of my favorite albums, and I do think,

935
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Speaker 4: circling back to the question in a few years, what

936
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Speaker 4: albums would be on this list? That and even her

937
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 4: most recent album, Raven definitely would be on the list.

938
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Speaker 1: All right, So I'm curious about this one. This is

939
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: probably one of my favorite prompts. So an album that

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Speaker 1: is quintessential to your development as a black woman.

941
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Speaker 2: Gosh, can I say Beyonce when she became solo all

942
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: the way up until Renaissance. There's an age difference, of course,

943
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: but just you know, stepping into your own beauty, own

944
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: independence going through relationships. When I was dating short time,

945
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: it was just like, this is what I want and

946
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: this is not happening. So I'm ringing the alarm. That

947
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: was so funny and a lot of people know this

948
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: about me and the Sister Circle. But I graduated college

949
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: writing erotica. So mister Elliott has a huge influence on

950
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: me writing erotica because her songs are so sexual and

951
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: I was listening to them at a very young age,

952
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: so that helped me creatively.

953
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 4: Tasty and Kaleidoscope our two albums, I just think are

954
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 4: very expressive. And she was really angry, and I think

955
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 4: as a younger black girl, I struggled with like feelings

956
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 4: of anger, like I'm not supposed to be angry, and

957
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 4: so I felt like I held a lot of things

958
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 4: in So those albums, hearing them for the first time

959
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 4: were helped me feel affirmed, like yes, you can be angry.

960
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 4: So I really enjoy those two albums. And then I

961
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 4: do think, although sometimes I can't relate to all of

962
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 4: the lyrics, I think I had heard a lot of

963
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 4: white artists that sounded like Sizza but not looked like Sisa,

964
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 4: and so hearing that more alternative music and it be

965
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: so vulnerable come from a black woman, I also really

966
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 4: appreciate it. So I'll say Control too.

967
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 5: So I already mentioned this album, but Beyonce's self titled

968
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 5: I Think was for me an introduction to feminism, and

969
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 5: obviously since listening to that album, the idea of feminism

970
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 5: is so much more expansive than what was presented. But

971
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 5: still I feel like that album was very empowering. And

972
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 5: then I'm really mad. Actually I didn't mention this already,

973
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 5: but Megan the Stallion's Tina Snow is just such a

974
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 5: confidence booster for me, and like I fell in love

975
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 5: with her since I listened to the album. Her confidence

976
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 5: in the mic blew my mind at the time of

977
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 5: hearing it. And then I Think Control by Sisa. We've

978
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: obviously mentioned it several times, but I think that album

979
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 5: really encompasses the feeling of growing up. And then lastly,

980
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 5: Timilte Lisa's point Willow Smith's Lately I Feel Everything. I

981
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 5: feel like that album is very affirming if you're a

982
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 5: black girl who feels like you know, you're kind of weird,

983
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 5: you don't fit into the box of everyone else. I

984
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 5: feel like Willow has been very affirmative in that way.

985
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 5: And I've like grew up with Willow because I was

986
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 5: a fan when she was doing I with my Hair

987
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 5: back and forth, and so seeing her evolution has been

988
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 5: like personal, So those are mine.

989
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 6: Doctor Joy.

990
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: This is such a tough question where I was like,

991
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: I really my development as a black woman, and so

992
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: I guess the Noel sisters are just taking it from

993
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: me because the answer is a seat at the table.

994
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 6: And then when I get home, because a seat at.

995
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: The table, like I'm looking at the track list Rise

996
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: Weary Cranes in the Sky, especially where I was in

997
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: my life, that was huge for me. And then also

998
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: when I get home, I remember not liking it at

999
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: first things I imagined.

1000
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 6: I was like this chopped and screwed. What she's trying

1001
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 6: to do.

1002
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 4: I don't get it.

1003
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 6: And then after it said it, I was like, oh,

1004
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 6: this is a.

1005
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 3: Song about manifestation. I saw things I imagined, hold on

1006
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: she gagged me. And so over time like those two

1007
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: together absolutely my answer.

1008
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 4: Can I answer that really quickly?

1009
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 5: Crants in the Sky, I will sit and just like

1010
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 5: weep to that song, like it just hits different when

1011
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 5: you're going through it.

1012
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: I swear I am never going to argue with Crean's

1013
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: in the Sky. I feel like that is like one

1014
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: of my all time favorite songs of like ever ever ever.

1015
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: So I will also say a seat at the table.

1016
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: I will also put Dangerously in Love my Beyonce on

1017
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: the list for me, because I feel like that was

1018
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: her introduction, like it was her first solo album, and

1019
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: it feels like it hit at a time where I

1020
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: was also like growing into who I would become as

1021
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: a woman. So I would put that. And I would

1022
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: also say India Ari Acoustic Soul because I feel like

1023
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: we've already talked about like Lauren Hill kind of setting

1024
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: the groundwork, but I feel like she was the first

1025
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: person I remember making music that talked about brown skin

1026
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: and like you know, I'm not the girl in the video,

1027
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: and all of these things that made it okay to

1028
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: look and be whoever you were as a black woman.

1029
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 1: So that definitely felt transformative to me. I will also

1030
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: say one song in particular, So there's this artist named Tasha.

1031
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: She has a song called Lallaby that has broken my

1032
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: heart ever since I heard it because it's very much

1033
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: about black women taking off your capes and like it's

1034
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 1: okay to leave that fight for another day and be solved.

1035
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: And so even before this Sauce's life movement was in play,

1036
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: I feel like Tasha made that song that feels very

1037
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 1: much specifically for black girls, so Tasha's Lallaby I would

1038
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: also put on that list for me.

1039
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: Doct Jerry want to thank you you introduced us to

1040
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: that song and definitely love it. Love love favorites.

1041
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: So we are gonna wrap up this conversation by everybody

1042
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: sharing if you were coming up with your own top

1043
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: ten favorites, what would be number one on your own

1044
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 1: personal favorite album of all time list?

1045
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna just say it because for me, it's

1046
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: between two. It's between Renaissance and Ready to Die. And

1047
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: the answer for me is Renaissance.

1048
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: It was between two under Construction Missy Elliot and Renaissance

1049
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: as well. I'm so sorry to see, but it's gonna

1050
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: be Beyonce's Renaissance.

1051
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 5: It's really hard for me to pick. My answer is

1052
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 5: gonna change tomorrow, but for today, I'm very much feeling

1053
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 5: Hiatus Coyote Mood Valiant or My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

1054
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 5: by Kanye West.

1055
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 4: I'm going My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy by Kanye West

1056
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 4: or Frank by Amy Winehouse.

1057
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: I will also say Renaissance by Beyonce or My Life

1058
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: by Mary J.

1059
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 2: Blide.

1060
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: Take the top two for me well. I appreciate y'all

1061
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: sharing your thoughts. I feel like this was mostly a

1062
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: civil conversation. We came through it. Nobody's upset not talking

1063
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: to one another.

1064
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: I love that.

1065
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: So let people know where they can find you, where

1066
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: they can fluss at you if they don't love your choices.

1067
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Speaker 1: Where can people connect with you on social.

1068
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Speaker 3: I am at lex Michelle on Instagram and threads. I

1069
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Speaker 3: am no longer on that other app, and I think

1070
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Speaker 3: I'm Lex Michelle on TikTok too.

1071
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Speaker 2: You can find me on Instagram too. Mommy's in a baby.

1072
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Speaker 2: That's two mommy's and a baby.

1073
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Speaker 5: Please don't come in my DMS about anything I said

1074
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 5: on this episode. If you heard it, it wasn't me,

1075
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 5: it was me. But you can find me professionally on

1076
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 5: LinkedIn at Zaria Taylor v r Iah or on Instagram

1077
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Speaker 5: at Yours Truly Zaria.

1078
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Speaker 4: You can find me on Instagram at Elise Ellis, on

1079
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Speaker 4: Twitter at the Elise Ellis, and I'm on LinkedIn, which

1080
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Speaker 4: is just my first and my last name.

1081
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Speaker 1: Perfect will be sure to include all of that in

1082
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: the show notes so that it's very easy for people

1083
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: to find you and let them share their thoughts about

1084
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Speaker 1: their top one hundred with you all. So thank y'all

1085
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: so much for joining me today. I really enjoyed chatting

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Speaker 1: with you all about this.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, it was fun.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Thanks touch to joining.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that TVG team was able to join

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Speaker 1: me for this episode. To learn more about them and

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Speaker 1: the work they're doing. Be sure to visit the show

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Speaker 1: show notes at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com slash Session

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Speaker 1: three sixty five, and don't forget to textas episodes to

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Speaker 1: two of your girls right now and encourage them to

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Speaker 1: check it out. If you're looking for a therapist in

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Speaker 1: your area, check out our therapist directory at Therapy for

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Speaker 1: Blackgirls dot com slash directory. And if you want to

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Speaker 1: continue digging into this topic or just be in community

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Speaker 1: with other sisters, come on over and join us in

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Speaker 1: the Sister Circle. It's our cozy corner of the Internet

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Speaker 1: designed just for black women. You can join us at

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Speaker 1: community dot Therapy for Blackgirls dot com. This episode was

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Speaker 1: produced by Elise Ellis and Zaria Taylor. Editing was done

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Speaker 1: by Dennison Bradford. Thank y'all so much for joining me

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Speaker 1: again this week. I look forward to continuing this conversation

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Speaker 1: with you all real soon. Take good care, what's