WEBVTT - Valentine's Day (2010)

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<v Speaker 1>Burn attention Beck to cast listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going on tour.

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<v Speaker 1>We really are. And it's not just any tour. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a tour in the UK and it's a tour where

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<v Speaker 1>we are covering Titanic and.

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<v Speaker 2>Shrek brilliantly titled the Shrek Tannic Tour. Yes, Shrek Tornic.

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<v Speaker 2>We're working on it. There's a couple there's a couple

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<v Speaker 2>months before the tour, but yes, we're really excited. We're

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<v Speaker 2>currently doing five shows in the UK, with more shows

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<v Speaker 2>to be added. Stay tuned at the end of May.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, starting with two shows in London on May twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>once at six point thirty that's a Shrek show, one

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<v Speaker 1>at nine pm that is a Titanic show. Then we

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<v Speaker 1>are scooting over to Oxford on May twenty fourth we

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<v Speaker 1>are covering Titanic. Okay, Then we're scooting up to Edinburgh

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<v Speaker 1>on May twenty sixth and doing Shtrek.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a Scottish Titanic fan, you are going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to commute. And I know that that's not but listen, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you live in Edinburgh recovering Shrek.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but also you're welcome. And then

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<v Speaker 1>if you do want to see Titanic somewhere nearby, you

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<v Speaker 1>can head down to Manchester. We're doing a show on

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<v Speaker 1>May twenty eighth, and that's a Titanic show. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just gonna want to come to kind of all

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<v Speaker 1>of them if you live in the UK, if you

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<v Speaker 1>live kind of anywhere in Europe, or sort of just

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>As your Bechdel Cast allies in the US can attest to.

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<v Speaker 2>Our live shows are super fun. It is like a

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<v Speaker 2>live episode plus a bunch of fun stuff. We dress up,

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<v Speaker 2>we bring audience members on stage sometimes we do. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's big and goofy and silly, and we're covering

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<v Speaker 2>two of our favorite movies that are Bechdel Cast can

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<v Speaker 2>and so we want to have a good time. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>be bringing exclusive merch and we will be doing meet

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<v Speaker 2>and greets before and after the show. We want to

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<v Speaker 2>meet everybody, and we're really really excited. And tickets are

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<v Speaker 2>already going fast because we released it to matrons first,

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<v Speaker 2>plugging the Patreon really quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Little perk for the matrons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, So if you live in those areas, get those

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<v Speaker 2>dang tickets because these shows will sell out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they will, so head over to our link Tree

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<v Speaker 1>Link Tree slash Bechtel Cast. All the tickets are posted

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<v Speaker 1>there and like we said, we're working on at least

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<v Speaker 1>one more show in a different city, so stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 1>We're hoping to announce that soon and otherwise, grab your

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<v Speaker 1>tickets for the Shrek Tanic.

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<v Speaker 2>And enjoy the episode.

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<v Speaker 3>On the doodcast, the questions asked if movies have women

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<v Speaker 3>and are all the discussions just boyfriends and husbands or

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<v Speaker 3>do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and Vast

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<v Speaker 3>start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Valentine, Jamie.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Caitlin, I'm having and I hate Valentine's Day party?

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<v Speaker 2>And guess what. It's at a restaurant where, for some reason,

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<v Speaker 2>my party's double booked with a wedding reception. Sorry. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think they were gonna put up a curtain

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<v Speaker 2>or a partition between these two parties? No, the parties

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<v Speaker 2>are facing each other for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, sounds like a nice time.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, what is the name of the god my brain

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be confetti today? Romeo Midnight. That's the name

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<v Speaker 2>of the DJ. The DJ Gary Marshall's where he's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>all you Los Angeles fuckers, Like, who's ready to fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>It's Valentine's Day. You're like, lash, welcome to the Valentine's

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<v Speaker 2>Day episode.

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<v Speaker 1>A day earlier than normal. Normally we release episodes on Thursdays.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a special day. Today's Wednesday, and you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>a Valentine's Day episode early on the movie Valentine's Day Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Good lord. I feel like this has to be the

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<v Speaker 2>last contemporary movie like this, right, the last. Gary Marshall

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<v Speaker 2>thinking that he's gonna read I mean, and may he

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<v Speaker 2>rest in peace. He made some.

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<v Speaker 1>Good stuff, not this, but not in the past. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he's dead decade and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, to be fair, Cale, he's been dead

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<v Speaker 2>for eight of those years since we will look you

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<v Speaker 2>sure God has asked though, No, I mean I love

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<v Speaker 2>Gary Marshall. I mean, for crying out loud, the man

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<v Speaker 2>directed the Princess Diaries. Like, let's be serious, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can tell he directed the Princess Diaries because there's three

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<v Speaker 2>Princess Diaries cast members in this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, obviously Anne Hathaway, but who.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Hector Ellis, Oh yeah, Joe, just Joe. And this

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<v Speaker 2>one is harder but Paolo Putneska is also in this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he's at the Southwest gate at the airport being

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<v Speaker 1>like this counter is for oversized luggage only.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, say what you will love about Gary Marshall,

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<v Speaker 2>including he's a legend and he's dead but and uh huh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's loyal to his character actors. He also made Happy Days.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like late Gary Marshall. For some reason, he spent

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<v Speaker 2>the last years of his career trying to realchemize love. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>yes he did, and I'm realizing, Caitlin. Unfortunately, there is

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<v Speaker 2>one more that we have. It's not with this many

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<v Speaker 2>cast members, but there is a Gary Marshall movie called

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<v Speaker 2>Mother's Day. Oh well that was I believe his last

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<v Speaker 2>film credit brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we've got something we have to cover in anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So to be clear, we are fans of these

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<v Speaker 2>movies because they are some of the most fun episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we've already covered New Year's Eve, Yes, but Gary

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<v Speaker 1>Marshall ensemble cast movie from twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then we've also covered Princess Diaries. That might

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<v Speaker 2>have been the only other Gary Marshall movie we've covered.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we have not done Pretty Woman yet.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Oh, he also has Pretty Woman loyalty in.

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<v Speaker 1>This Julia Roberts is in the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say Julia Roberts is perhaps doing him a favor. God,

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<v Speaker 2>so many late twists in this movie. I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>I was writing down all of the twists at the

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<v Speaker 2>end where you're like, the twist is Bradley Cooper is gay.

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<v Speaker 2>The twist is Julia Roberts is not dead. The twist

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<v Speaker 2>is that the kid was in love with Jennifer Garner,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're just like, every twist more baffling than the last.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, Gary Marshall directed Overboard, which we haven't covered.

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<v Speaker 1>We have not covered. We have covered Runaway Bride, which

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<v Speaker 1>we have he directed. Did he also not direct A

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<v Speaker 1>League of Their Own, which we have covered?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that is a Penny Marshall movie. Oh, oh, silly me?

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<v Speaker 1>How dare I wow erasing women's work classic Caitlin Durante?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean? Which is another cool element of Gary Marshall.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the coolest thing about him is that he is

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<v Speaker 2>Penny Marshall's brother, and we love Penny Marshall, and heways like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, part of a Hollywood dynasty. Has directed a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of great stuff, and also this movie that we're

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<v Speaker 2>covering today, I would be really curious, like outside of

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<v Speaker 2>trying to realchimize like make American Love actually over and over,

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<v Speaker 2>like what the motivation is. Maybe at some point in

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<v Speaker 2>your career, if you're getting older, you just want to

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<v Speaker 2>like have fun and hang out with all of your

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<v Speaker 2>cool Hollywood friends and the quality is not as important.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm like kind of unbothered. I'm bothered

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<v Speaker 2>by a lot of specific things in this movie. Conceptually,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that right now, now, more than ever,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a desire for smooth brained entertainment of this ILK. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because life is hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Life is so hard and we need an escape.

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<v Speaker 2>But also watching this movie is hard, so it's challenging. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>should we explain what the Bechtel test is? I guess

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<v Speaker 2>all right, all right, all right, we'll tell you what

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<v Speaker 2>this show is. You win. Also, my name is Jamie.

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<v Speaker 1>And my name is Caitlin, and this is the Bechtel Cast,

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<v Speaker 1>where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using

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<v Speaker 1>the Bechtel test as a jumping off point. But Jamie,

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<v Speaker 1>what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Bechtel Test is a media metric created by

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<v Speaker 2>queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, often called the Bechdel Wallace Test

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<v Speaker 2>due to it being created with Liz Wallace. It was

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<v Speaker 2>originally put into Bechtel's comic strip Dikes To Watch Out For.

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<v Speaker 2>It has since become kind of an iconic media metric

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<v Speaker 2>that has been used in a lot of things, including

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<v Speaker 2>this show. Sometimes at the end of every episode we

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<v Speaker 2>use it as a jumping off point for discussion. You

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<v Speaker 2>talk about larger intersectional issues today inside of the movie

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<v Speaker 2>Valentine's Day, I will say, you know, just leading with

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<v Speaker 2>this that this movie does pass the Bechdel Test.

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<v Speaker 1>It does.

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<v Speaker 2>The ways in which it passes are really weird. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>between Ann Hathaway and Queen Latifa talking about sports marketing,

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<v Speaker 2>it's such a rom comp thing sports marketing, You're just like, what, okay, okay, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>what is your history with Valentine's Day? Gary Marshall, twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll never believe this, but all I had seen this

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<v Speaker 1>movie before. I don't know what on earth would have

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<v Speaker 1>ever compelled me to watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it might have been because people were just

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<v Speaker 1>they were up in arms about the Taylor Latner and

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift of it all.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the main thing I remember from this was that

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<v Speaker 2>unbelievably effective marketing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but that still wouldn't have compelled me to watch

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<v Speaker 1>this movie because like, I like Taylor Swift, I think

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<v Speaker 1>she's talented, but I'm also like, I wouldn't call myself

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<v Speaker 1>a Swifty. I'm not enough of a fan to really

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<v Speaker 1>engage with her music that much, so that wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 1>been it. Like, I don't know why on earth I

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<v Speaker 1>would have ever watched this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did.

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<v Speaker 1>But I didn't even know that until I started prepping

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<v Speaker 1>for this episode. I was like, wow, all of this

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<v Speaker 1>is familiar. I apparently watched this within the past three years. Why, though,

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<v Speaker 1>why did I do that? We'll never know?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you do that? Were you getting ready for her?

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<v Speaker 2>I Hate Valentine's Day Party? Sorry, of the many like hysteric,

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<v Speaker 2>baffling phrases that this script turns out, there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>good ones. The I Hate Valentine's Day Party is one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite ones because it's just like clunky, clunky, clunky,

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<v Speaker 2>and people keep saying, are you going to the I

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<v Speaker 2>Hate Valentine's Day Party? It's no I'm gay and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna play. That's a pretty iconic line that happens in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie. It sure does, I mean talk about trailblazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gay and I'm gonna play. I had an explosion

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<v Speaker 2>of emotion when he said I'm gay and I'm gonna play.

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<v Speaker 2>So you had seen this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I really had more than once, just that one time, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and now twice more to prep for this episode. Love

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<v Speaker 1>it and I don't like that that's true about me?

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<v Speaker 1>What is your relationship with this movie?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see this, but I was kind of surprised

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<v Speaker 2>because I was in high school when this movie came out,

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<v Speaker 2>Like theoretically I could have seen it, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>I got I remember specifically seeing He's just not that

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<v Speaker 2>into You, which is this same formula of a million

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<v Speaker 2>storylines that we have covered, and I think after I

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<v Speaker 2>saw that, I was like, I'm good on this format

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<v Speaker 2>and I just did not go to see this movie fair.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing I also remember about this movie was the

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Taylor marketing Yes, which makes sense because they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of are the big millennial draw of this movie. It

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<v Speaker 2>like most of this cast appeals to Gen X, if

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<v Speaker 2>not boomers, with the casting. So it's like we had

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<v Speaker 2>the tailors. If you weren't hooked by the tailors.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Ashton Kutcher would have brought you in if you

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<v Speaker 1>were a younger.

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<v Speaker 2>Even then, it was like tofer Grace and Ashton Kutcher,

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<v Speaker 2>like that seventies show had kind of come and gone

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<v Speaker 2>at that point. I think it was over.

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<v Speaker 1>Well definitely, But when I was in high school, I

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<v Speaker 1>was watching that seventy show. So if you're if you're

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<v Speaker 1>an elder millennial such as.

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<v Speaker 2>Myself, maybe you would shot up for them.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have maybe shown up for them.

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<v Speaker 2>You have, you know, a lot of two thousands fixtures.

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<v Speaker 2>You have McDreamy, you have Jessica Alba, you have Jessica Beal.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna read off the cast really quick, just so,

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<v Speaker 2>and are you comfortable with I'm not gonna know what

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<v Speaker 2>the character names are.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I okay, I did what I did last time

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<v Speaker 1>for the New Year's Eve episode. I'm using strictly actors'

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<v Speaker 1>names and zero characters.

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<v Speaker 2>Names, although I am going to toss some of the

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<v Speaker 2>names out because they are the most rom commified gobbltycook ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica Alba as Morley Clarkson, You're like, what is Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sorry about Morley Clarkson and sorry to all our Morley

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<v Speaker 2>Clarkson listeners out there, but that name is very fake.

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<v Speaker 1>We have one million Morley Clarkson's who just unsubscribed, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how dare you.

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<v Speaker 2>Not all Morley's would break up with? Ashton Kutcher, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica Alba, Kathy Bates, Jessica, Bill, Bradley Cooper, Eric Dane.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember who that is, but he's gay, he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna play.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, we just covered a movie that he was in.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in Burlesque that we covered on the Matreon.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know who he was then. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>who he is now, with all due respect to him.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he's on Euphoria, which I haven't watched.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he's I think Jacob Ellerty's dad.

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<v Speaker 2>We love that for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've only seen one and a half episodes of

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<v Speaker 1>that show. And then I was like, this hurts my feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>I just simply didn't watch it. And if that makes

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<v Speaker 2>me old, I don't want to be young. Anyways. In

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<v Speaker 2>this movie, Eric Dane's gay, He's gonna play. Then we

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<v Speaker 2>have Patrick Dempsey, Hector, Elizondo aka Joe for Princess Diaries,

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie Fox, Jennifer Garner, tofer Grace and Hathaway, Ashton Kutcher,

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<v Speaker 2>Queen Latifah, Taylor Lowner, George Lopez, Shirley McLean. Really confusing,

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<v Speaker 2>assuming she was doing him a favor, assuming they've worked

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<v Speaker 2>together before. Emma Roberts, Julia Roberts and Taylor Swift. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand people. It's one of those movies and we

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<v Speaker 2>don't like love actually no, and this is like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. At least this one is like so smooth

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<v Speaker 2>brain that I'm like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know love actually, whether you like it

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<v Speaker 1>or not, at least it's like mostly coherent. This movie

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<v Speaker 1>is not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I just love how incoherent this movie is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna give it five nipples no matter what.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna give it negative five just to counteract.

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<v Speaker 2>That, oh so much of this. They open with Morley Clarkson, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it should be. Should we get into it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>before you start the recap, I did just whatever. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening, you know the format of these movies. You

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<v Speaker 2>see little vignette. Every scene is forty five seconds long,

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<v Speaker 2>and something really dramatic happens in forty five seconds and

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<v Speaker 2>then they keep it pushing. Yeah, but like in this one,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the first three scenes you see are I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>three white hetero couples in bed and something important happens

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<v Speaker 2>while the man is standing up and the woman is

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<v Speaker 2>lying down.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I didn't even there's no variety.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no variety in what is happening in these seas.

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<v Speaker 1>The second time I watched this movie, I was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of only just listening to the dialogue and not actually

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<v Speaker 1>looking at my screen because it's feels so visually uninteresting

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<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't really matter what's taking place on screen

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<v Speaker 1>because it's just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Although sometimes there's good stuff though, like every time they

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<v Speaker 2>show the tailor swift bear, which looks to me not

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<v Speaker 2>to but like it looks like, I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>I kept writing down like horcrux bear, Like it just

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<v Speaker 2>looks like something is something evil is inside of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they do this, like at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the Incredible Story in between the Tailors, they end it

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<v Speaker 2>with like this lingering shot on the bear, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of felt like Muthriagan to me. H Lotters

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<v Speaker 2>got camera's and the bear I'm calling it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know when this movie's coming out, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>that movie Imaginary Okay. There are two movies coming out

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<v Speaker 1>this year that are both about imaginary friends. One is

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<v Speaker 1>like an animated movie for like children, okay, and one

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<v Speaker 1>is a horror movie where a little girl has a

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<v Speaker 1>little stuffed bear who her like demons spirit imaginary friend

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<v Speaker 1>lives inside and he like makes her do evil things.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's kind of like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we're talking. I love that shit. That's I think

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<v Speaker 2>that that is the energy I was getting from the

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Lotder Taylor Swift bear, and also from the Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>Lotterer Taylor Swift relationship in general, which it's so like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go this is one of our goofy episodes that

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<v Speaker 2>we do every year. I'm gonna go ahead and plug

0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.360
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite podcasts two Weekly and also Less

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<v Speaker 2>called Juristas, where they both discussed the recent resurgence of

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Taylor. Because now, Taylor Lotner, I've said many times

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<v Speaker 2>on the show, he bought around at the chaw Chaw

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<v Speaker 2>Lounge once. That's not something you know someone who's doing

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<v Speaker 2>well would.

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<v Speaker 1>Do or it's someone who's doing great.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing, though, would you I was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>this with friend of the show Melissa Lozada Oliva last night.

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<v Speaker 2>When you buy around for the bar at the chaw

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<v Speaker 2>Chaw Lounge on a Wednesday, you have effectively spent thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six dollars. So are you doing great? You know it's

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<v Speaker 2>not the baller move, it's it seems to be anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>all love to Taylor Lotner. But it's so wild because like,

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Swift is forty times more famous than she was

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<v Speaker 2>when she was in this movie, and she was already

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<v Speaker 2>really famous. Yeah, and now Taylor Lotner like did a

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<v Speaker 2>backflip at a screening of the Taylor Swift Concert movie recently. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>have you seen that video? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of awesome it, Like, I mean, all shade aside,

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Londer is a very funny. He seems like a

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<v Speaker 2>good sport. But like, why did he go to the

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<v Speaker 2>AMC and do a backflip? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>He did it at the AMC.

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<v Speaker 2>He did it just like around civilians. He just like

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<v Speaker 2>went to Burbank and did a backflip. And also everyone

0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.080
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh the Taylor Taylor relationship is even in

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<v Speaker 2>the blueper reel, and for some reason, I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>come up on this show. Before Taylor Lotner married a

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<v Speaker 2>woman named Taylor the Taylor's lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So he just seems I don't know, he seems maybe lovely,

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<v Speaker 2>but also like, what's going on with that guy? He

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<v Speaker 2>did a backflip at the AMC. That's all I'll say. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the like varying levels of fame that they're at

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<v Speaker 2>these days. She's at like billionaire global pop star getting

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<v Speaker 2>regularly rightfully criticized for her carbon footprint. Famous. Taylor Lotner, meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>backflip at the AMC. Burbank awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's not forget the crime he committed by in

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<v Speaker 1>five I have Twilight Movies playing an indigenous character when

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<v Speaker 1>he is not indigenous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I mean I also still mainly blame the production

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<v Speaker 2>for that because he was like a teenager when he

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<v Speaker 2>started doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, many mistakes were made, but let's take a quick

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<v Speaker 1>break and then come back for the recap.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're back. I am curious if I don't know

0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.840
<v Speaker 2>if Taylor Latner has ever commented on being cast as

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<v Speaker 2>a indigenous character. Down the line, because I do feel

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<v Speaker 2>like he has a responsibility to, you know, comment on

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<v Speaker 2>it at some point. You know, when you're a teenager,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, Okay, the adults in the room need to

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<v Speaker 2>make the right decision and not cast him. But I

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<v Speaker 2>just wonder. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I will have to look into that. In any case.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is the recap for the movie Valentine's Day. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned, I will be referring to the characters as

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<v Speaker 1>their actors' names because there are one thousand characters and

0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:14.320
<v Speaker 1>zero of them are memorable. So yay, I'll be using

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<v Speaker 1>the actors' names. Okay. So the story takes place in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles. Ever heard of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And guess what day it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they won't stop reminding you.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Valentine's Day. First we meet Ashton Kutcher. He proposes

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<v Speaker 1>to his girlfriend Jessica Alba, and she says yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he's like we yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the first scene where women in the bed,

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<v Speaker 2>guy out of the bed. Forty five second scene, something

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<v Speaker 2>critical happens. The baffling part of this scene is that

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica Alba has like perfect hair that is down when

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<v Speaker 2>she wakes up.

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<v Speaker 1>And makeup perfect just everything. She's stunning.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, God, bless, I would like to live in

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<v Speaker 2>this world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Ashton Kutcher is so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>To be engaged. Also, he's a florist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he goes to work. He's a florist. His colleague

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<v Speaker 1>is George Lopez, and they're doing lower stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>George Lopez iconically is an authority on love and the

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<v Speaker 2>poetry of Roumy in this movie, and he also is

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<v Speaker 2>constantly referencing this wife that he's in love with, who

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<v Speaker 2>never speaks. At the very end she does appear correct,

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<v Speaker 2>but for most of the movie it again, just if

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<v Speaker 2>we're reframing this is a horror movie. I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily think this wife exists, and if she does,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that she's alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Imaginary friend, more like imaginary wife. Where's that movie?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably on tub?

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<v Speaker 1>That movie is called The Joker Got Their Ass?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay. So then we meet Jamie Fox. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>sports journalist at a local news station and his boss,

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy Bates, wants him to cover Valentine's Day stories, even

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<v Speaker 1>though that's not his job.

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<v Speaker 2>Kathy Bates was available for forty five minutes to shoot

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<v Speaker 2>this she is in two seeds that are in the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same location.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, yeah, so cool. So Jamie Fox goes to the

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<v Speaker 1>flower market and ends up interviewing Ashton Kutcher.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, yes, not before something racist happens. But we'll get

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:43.200
<v Speaker 2>back to those.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we'll get there. Yeah. Then we meet Patrick Dempsey.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a doctor, not unlike his job on Gray's Anatomy. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen that show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were not pushing him up.

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<v Speaker 1>He is dating Jennifer Garner, but he can't spend Valentine's

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<v Speaker 1>Day with her because he has to fly to San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco for a surgery or something. Then we meet tofer

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<v Speaker 1>Grace and Anne Hathaway another there you wake up in

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<v Speaker 1>bed together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Oh wait, I forgot to say. The interesting thing

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:24.159
<v Speaker 2>about this scene with Patrick Dempsey and Jennifer Garner is

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<v Speaker 2>that she is eating an apple in bed first thing

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's to set up an amazing metaphor. Jamie, tell

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<v Speaker 1>me if you can understand this visual metaphor.

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:41.600
<v Speaker 2>I was hoping that this would come up organically. Please, yes,

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 2>here we go. So, in a number of scenes, we

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<v Speaker 2>see Patrick Dempsey's character juggling pieces of fruit and it's

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 2>to symbolize the fact that his character is also juggling

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:02.400
<v Speaker 2>two different relationships, do you understand. I think it's really

0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:06.440
<v Speaker 2>important that they get the metaphor across exclusively by comparing

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:10.199
<v Speaker 2>women to objects, to pieces of fruit at least, you know,

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 2>beautiful organic objects. The metaphor is not lost on me.

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 2>And also the stark visual of a woman eating an

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 2>apple in bed at seven in the morning, My gums

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 2>would be gushing. It would be being a blood bath.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just I love I love movie. I love

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<v Speaker 2>it movie. No one has gum disease in movie.

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh but they're too hot, they're too sexy. Okay, So

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 1>we meet Tofah Grace and Anne Hathaway. We find out

0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.439
<v Speaker 1>later that they've been dating for a couple weeks.

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 2>The weird thing she's doing is taking polaroid pictures of

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 2>him in bed like a serial killer. Yeah.

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, they're smooching, but then she has to leave in

0:25:55.920 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>a big hurry because surprise, she is a phone sex

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 1>operator who needs to take a.

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<v Speaker 2>Call, but she also has several other jobs. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like contextualized in the story, but just the

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<v Speaker 2>way it's ritten, and I get like this movie came

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<v Speaker 2>out during the recession. It was like badly written timely

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<v Speaker 2>commentary on.

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<v Speaker 4>Like millennials trying to be adults in the world, but

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 4>it's hard. She's just like sneaking out of her job

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:35.880
<v Speaker 4>at Queen Latifa World to loudly take the.

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Phone sex operator calls, and it was just like, this

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.000
<v Speaker 2>is just not how it would go. Surely there's a

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<v Speaker 2>break room. She's like in front of Queen Latifa's door.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I have a list of just like what the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck okay things that happened in this movie, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is on my list. I will perfect go over the

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<v Speaker 1>list later on love it. But yes, none of that

0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>makes sense, not slick. No. So then we meet Shirley

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<v Speaker 1>McLain and Hector Elizondo. They have been married for many years.

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>They have a young grandson who goes to Ashton Kutcher's

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 1>flower shop to order roses for the girl at school

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:21.640
<v Speaker 1>who he's in love with. Then we meet Julia Roberts

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:25.679
<v Speaker 1>and Bradley Cooper. They are strangers sitting on a plane

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 1>next to each other headed to la She is in

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 1>the military, also is having a difficult time believing that

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Julia Roberts would play a military person.

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Which I don't doubt her acting ability, but she just

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:45.240
<v Speaker 2>does look like Julia Roberts, and I really loved I mean,

0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 2>we're supposed to be thinking that Bradley and Julia are

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 2>going to get together for the whole baby and then

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 2>there's a twist at the end. But yeah, I have

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 2>written out thank you for serving Julia Roberts. And I

0:27:56.600 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 2>also really like there's like this scene between them where

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 2>she's like, I'm in the military, so I can tell

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 2>that you have trouble committing because you don't like heart

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 2>shaped candy. I was like, do they teach that in army?

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>She's I think it's implied that she is in some

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of like special forces.

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:27.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seems like she's doing war crimes. And she's like, listen,

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 2>the first thing you learn in Navy Seal's basic training

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:34.400
<v Speaker 2>is what Bradley Cooper looks like when he's having trouble committing.

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 1>It's so bizarre.

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, we learn that she's on a fourteen hour flight

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>from wherever she's coming from.

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that they keep it intentionally vague, super vague

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 2>to not imply her in any specific war crimes, right.

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, And so she's on this fourteen hour flight

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.880
<v Speaker 1>to spend only one day with her loved one, whoever

0:28:57.920 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 1>that might be.

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Bradley Cooper assumes they're fucking. Yes, Bradley Cooper bakes all

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 2>sorts of assumptions.

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 1>For sure, and I'll talk more about that later, but anyway,

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>we get all that information. Then we cut back to

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Garner and Ashton Kutcher. They're best friends. Exhausting, he

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>encourages her to surprise Patrick Dempsey in San Francisco. But

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>this is when we learn that he was lying about

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 1>going to San Francisco and he actually has a wife

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>and a kid, which Jennifer Garner does not know about.

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 2>He's a dog. Yes.

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Back to Anne Hathaway. So when she's not doing phone

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>sex work, she works for Queen Latifa, who is a

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>sports agent who reps a football player, Eric Dane, whose

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>career seems like it's on the decline. People are like,

0:29:58.840 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>is he going to retire?

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 2>They keep calling him old. Yeah, yeah, I feel like

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to make him like Tom Brady coated. Oh yeah,

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>but maybe that wasn't true, a twenty ten whatever. A

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 2>football player who people speculate his career is almost over.

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 2>But the twist is he's gay and he's gonna play.

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 1>He's gay and he's gonna play.

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just love that line.

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Wow. So Queen Latifa and Eric Dane get together for

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>a meeting, along with his publicist Jessica Beale. So Jessica

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>has entered the.

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Chat and she is a mess.

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>She's so neurotic.

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Good, we need to get her to a hospital. This

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>is like a really great just so bananas over the

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 2>top manic pixie dream girl taken to an extreme that

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 2>it does seem like she's not well.

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Then we meet Emma Roberts. She is a high

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 1>school student who plans to have sex for the first

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.479
<v Speaker 1>time with her boyfriend during their lunch period.

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Awesome Kristin Shall appearance where Kristin Shall plays a teacher

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>and Emma Roberts is like, I'm going to go fuck

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 2>right now and Christinshaw's like, oh, that's started the scene.

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed that jump scare. I thought it was fun. Also,

0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:20.479
<v Speaker 2>Emma Roberts is big like peak twenty ten in this

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 2>movie by only wearing really uncomfortable looking ballet flats in

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 2>every single scene.

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh true.

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where it's like the kind of shoes where you

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 2>can see the knuckles of your toes. Oh nasty.

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, I was also wearing those in twenty ten.

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 2>We all were, We were all flat footed barbies back then.

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So, also at this high school are Taylor Swift

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 1>and Taylor Lautner. They are dating. He has bought her

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 1>an enormous teddy bear that's haunted, that might have an

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>evil demon living inside of it.

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, harkrks bear. Yes.

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Then Emma Robert's boyfriend goes to her house to prepare

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 1>for their sex that they're gonna have, and he takes

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>off his clothes, but Emma Robert's mom comes home and

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>catches him naked, so he runs outside still naked, and

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 1>we're like, ha ha, awesome comedy. Meanwhile, Ashton is so

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 1>annoying excited about being gay. He's so annoying. Jessica Alba, However,

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>his fiance, she's not as excited, and he doesn't seem

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 1>to notice anyway.

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, honestly, fair like not to go back to

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 2>their first seed together. But again he wakes her up.

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 2>She's perfect because it's a movie. She's perfect. But the

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>first thing she says, hi, and then he launches in

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 2>and says, when I was a kid, most of the

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 2>advice my dad gave me was crap. I was like,

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 2>if you, as my boyfriend, are starting the day with that, no,

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 2>like good morning would be awesome.

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>And then he proposes, and we don't see her actually

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 1>say yes. It almost seems like he just shoves the

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>ring on her finger and assumes the answer is.

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, which at least is sort of commented on

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 2>later when she dumps his ass. But I just do

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 2>it like this is like a place where like love

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 2>actually actually does feel like way better paced, but because

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 2>so many scenes have to happen, it does feel like

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 2>there's like a bomb in the room that will go

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 2>off after seventy five seconds if they don't get all

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 2>this stuff out, like some of the scenes move. So

0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 2>it for a movie where like nothing interesting happens. It's

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 2>really hard to watch these movies because so much is happening,

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 2>like you cannot look away, and they're two hours long.

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>So it's and you cast forty people.

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Right exactly? Okay, So Patrick Dempsey goes to Ashton Kutcher's

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>flower shop to buy flowers for both his wife, his

0:33:55.960 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>wife and his secret girlfriend, Jennifer Garner and Ashton Kutcher

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>is thinking to himself, hang on, that's my friend Jennifer Garner,

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>which means my friend's boyfriend is secretly married. So he

0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>goes to Jennifer Garner's work, she's an elementary school teacher,

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:18.280
<v Speaker 1>to try to tell her that her boyfriend is secretly married,

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 1>but he doesn't get a chance to tell her she

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:26.839
<v Speaker 1>still doesn't know. Then Ashton goes home to his lady love,

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:31.799
<v Speaker 1>Jessica Alba, to leave a Valentine's Day gift, but he

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>discovers that she's about to leave him. All of her

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff is packed up, and she breaks up with him.

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 2>And even his dog doesn't love him. It's kind of awesome.

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Brutal uugh, and he's like, damn well, I better go

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 1>stop Jennifer Garner from getting on that plane to San Francisco.

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 1>So he rushes to the airport. We get an extremely

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 1>rom com cliche running through the airport, but this time

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not to stop the love of his life, it's

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>to stop a friend, and we're like, wow, subversive.

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 2>But actually, I think the weirdest part of that scene

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 2>is that, like, it's such a well worn trope that

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 2>I was like, conditioning myself to be like, oh wow,

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 2>the movie's almost over, and then you look at the

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 2>run time you're like, it is like we're less than

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 2>halfway in at the airport run Seriously, I was like

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:25.919
<v Speaker 2>overwhelmed with such relief and then dread that whole scene

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 2>is so long. We do get Paola Putnzka at least true.

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, anyway, so he does tell her that her boyfriend

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>is married, but Jennifer Garner refuses to believe it and

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>she gets on the plane anyway, question Mark. I have

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot of questions about that because the next time

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 1>we see her, she's in LA.

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>I was so confused. I was like, did she get

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.319
<v Speaker 2>off at San Francisco? But then you could hear a

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 2>nurse clearly say also a very funny bad line, Hello,

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you've reached Los Angeles Hospital.

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>As so you're like, not a real place.

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:05.879
<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess they are in LA. I would love

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:07.440
<v Speaker 2>to reach Los Angeles Hospital.

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Okay, So none of that made sense either. Jamie

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Foxx goes and tries to get an exclusive on Eric Dane,

0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 1>the football player from Jessica Biale, who is upset because

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>she's single and she feels all alone.

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 2>First of all, she's on the floor and he's like

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 2>is she good, and they're like, well, she's usually fine

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>on the Fourth of July and even Saint Patrick's Day,

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 2>but on Valentine's Day she is sad, which sucks. She

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 2>like looks dead, You're right, and then they.

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Fall in love and you're like, you're like sure, but anyway,

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, she's upset, not only because she's single and

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.879
<v Speaker 1>she feels lonely, but also no one has rsvped to her.

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I hate Valentine's Day party.

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.240
<v Speaker 2>Which she's throwing at an Indian restaurant at this same

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.560
<v Speaker 2>time as a wedding reception, which I'm just like, we've

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 2>got to call the restaurant because you do have to

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.320
<v Speaker 2>pick one of those events. Yeah, and it's the wedding

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 2>because no one's coming to Jessica Biale's I Hate Valentine's

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Day party.

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:17.560
<v Speaker 1>But then everyone shows.

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Up, including twenty people we've never met before, like majority

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>characters we do not know.

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, anyway, She's like, I hate Valentine's Day, and Jamie

0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Fox is also like, I hate Valentine's Day.

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:35.880
<v Speaker 2>I wish I could just sports all day long, and

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.439
<v Speaker 2>she's like, I wish I could sports all day long,

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:42.799
<v Speaker 2>but I also crave love and he's like okay, and

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:47.320
<v Speaker 2>then there's a big pratfall with a bunch of chocolates. Yes, disaster.

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh anyway, he leaves and then Eric Dane, the football player,

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 1>comes out as gay at a press conference.

0:37:57.160 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 2>But what does he say.

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'm gay and I'm gonna play.

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:02.839
<v Speaker 2>What a win?

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Well because everyone's like congratulations, good for you, But are

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 1>you retiring? Like that's what this press conference or supposed

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:09.879
<v Speaker 1>to be.

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he does come out instead of answering a question,

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 2>but then he expands because he's gay and he's going

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 2>to play. And I mean, as goofy as that scene is,

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, twenty ten not bad? You know,

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.280
<v Speaker 2>yeah you gay marriage was not legal in many places

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.319
<v Speaker 2>at the time when this movie came out and was

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:37.240
<v Speaker 2>tremendously successful. So can we chalk that legislation eventually passing

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:39.959
<v Speaker 2>up to Eric Danes saying I'm gay and I'm gonna play.

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:41.719
<v Speaker 1>I think we obviously can.

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 2>I think that it's certainly a big part. I don't know,

0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 2>any inclusion in this movie is like very bare bones twenty.

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Ten's I mean, that's what most of my notes are

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 1>about because it's abysmal.

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:58.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure that we have identical notes, but never

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 2>forget that he is gay and he's gonna play. But

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:04.799
<v Speaker 2>when we let him kiss on screen, we.

0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Won't no anyway. So then tofra Grace takes Anne Hathaway

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>to a Valentine's dinner where he discovers that she's a

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:21.240
<v Speaker 1>phone sex worker and he's like, ooh, yucky, bye forever awesome.

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh. Then Taylor Swift and Taylor Lautner are at

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 1>gym class or track practice, We're not really sure, being

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 1>interviewed by a reporter.

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 2>My boyfriend at this part of the movie got very

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 2>critical of a specific background actor who I then could

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 2>not stop looking at, not the reporter, the guy holding

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 2>the camera, or just like based on his energy. It's

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 2>just like so obviously not a real camera and not

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:55.399
<v Speaker 2>on like it's not really pointing at anybody, and he's

0:39:55.440 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 2>sort of like slouching over. And I celebrate that background doctor.

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I love that. It's like when a movie where someone

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 1>like takes a sip from a mug that's clearly empty

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:10.720
<v Speaker 1>and they like, don't the mechanics and physicality of drinking

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:11.799
<v Speaker 1>are like.

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:14.879
<v Speaker 2>Just there's a couple of moments in this movie where

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 2>it's like, I don't think we've brought this up in

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 2>an episode in a while, but the sort of like

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 2>character with one line energy where it's very like sag

0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 2>card please. There's a couple characters in here that have

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 2>huge sag card please energy about them. I love the

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 2>security guard at the airport who's like, Hi, I'm a

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 2>security guard. You're just like, give her her sagcard.

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.359
<v Speaker 1>She's like, put your shoes on. Ashton Kutcher, it's gross here.

0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Great, but yeah, so it's I unfortunately know exactly enough

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 2>about Taylor Swift to know that a lot of what

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 2>they're saying in this scene where nothing happens is like

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 2>references to twenty ten era Taylor Swift and Taylor Lautner

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.719
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, my favorite number is thirteen. I would

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 2>never take off my shirt.

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Like okay, okay. So then Shirley McClain reveals to her husband,

0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Hector Alizondo, that she had an affair with his business

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:15.400
<v Speaker 1>partner some years ago.

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:19.040
<v Speaker 2>And also in this movie, she's Shirley McClain.

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 1>It appears to be that she is, Yeah, she's just

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 1>playing herself.

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:29.799
<v Speaker 2>But she's named Estelle, but she's actually because later they

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:31.840
<v Speaker 2>go to Hollywood Forever and they see a Shirley McLain

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 2>movie and he's like, that's my wife, right, Literally.

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what movie that was?

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't either. So he's upset and he's, you know,

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 1>discovered that his wife, Charlie McLain, was unfaithful.

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 2>He's straight and he's not gonna play.

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. So he goes to Hollywood Forever Cemetery by himself.

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:59.680
<v Speaker 1>For any non LA listeners, that's a place that's a

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 1>real cemetery, but they do a bunch of movie screenings.

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:06.560
<v Speaker 1>So he goes to watch a movie there that his wife,

0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Shirley McClain is in. So they're like watching a movie

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:13.920
<v Speaker 1>from I don't know, the fifties or sixties.

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:16.959
<v Speaker 2>I guess the sixties, yes, And I wanted to figure

0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 2>out I meant to, and then I apologize to our listeners.

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 2>I did not remember to follow through this because I

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:24.400
<v Speaker 2>was like, it looked like the scene that they eventually

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 2>kiss in front of where Shirley, a younger Shirley McClain

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 2>is kissing another actor. It didn't seem like it was

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 2>like a really happy scene. Yeah, Like it seemed like

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 2>a sad goodbye kiss, not like a I'm getting back

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.840
<v Speaker 2>together with Joe from the Princess Diaries.

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 1>True, but that is what happens because Shirley McClain comes

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 1>to the cemetery to find him, and then she's like,

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:50.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but if you love me, you have to

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.840
<v Speaker 1>love all the parts of me, even the cheater parts.

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, you're right, okay.

0:42:56.880 --> 0:43:00.719
<v Speaker 2>That I mean what a mess is like, first of all, no,

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't, No, he doesn't. You had sex with his

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 2>best friend. He doesn't have to forgive you. And he's like, yes,

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I do. I was wrong. You're like, when were you wrong?

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I understand that she Let's take this story

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 2>really seriously. I was just struggling with it because it

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, she said that she was lonely and

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 2>that he was away a lot, and I understand that

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 2>that level of spousal neglect will sometimes lead to infidelity, right,

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:31.400
<v Speaker 2>but does he have to forgive her six hours later?

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Good question or ever? And also the fact that Topher

0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Grace seems to think that that is like a one

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 2>to one with his situation, which is completely different, and

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:46.799
<v Speaker 2>he is very much the villain of Yes. Anyways, I

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:51.279
<v Speaker 2>liked the cape that Shirley maclain wears to her own movie.

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 2>If I was a movie star, I would show up

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:59.799
<v Speaker 2>in a cape to my movies also and be really disruptive.

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everyone's like down in front, and she's like, shut

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 1>the fuck up, I'm trying to kiss my husband.

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's so weird that he just went ahead

0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:10.839
<v Speaker 2>and said he's married to Sholie McLean. And then she's like, Hi,

0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:11.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm a.

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Stelle anyway, will they kiss and make up? So everything's

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.640
<v Speaker 1>fine there, and then Tilford Grace sees this and he

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 1>realizes that he judged Anne Hathaway and her job too harshly.

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:25.719
<v Speaker 2>He sure did.

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Jennifer Garner gets confirmation that her boyfriend Patrick Dempsey

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:33.400
<v Speaker 1>is married.

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she goes to Los Angeles Hospital in San Francisco

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 2>and San Francisco find out, but she I guess she

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:43.879
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't get on the plane and we're never told.

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 1>But we see her go into the doorway to get

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 1>onto the plane.

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 2>I know she just got off on the tarmac and

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 2>bought us. I don't understand. And then he said he

0:44:56.280 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 2>was going to do heart surgery in San Francisco. I don't.

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know any heart surgeons. And there's also like

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 2>a weird line he has at the beginning where he's like,

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, doctors, we're always traveling. I was like, that's

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 2>not really the first thing I think of when I

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 2>think about doctors.

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:12.439
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, I don't know what city she's in, but her

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:19.520
<v Speaker 2>boyfriend does have a wife.

0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:22.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she finds out where he's having dinner with

0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 1>his wife.

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, another great fake name for something. It's like

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Peepee Gardens or something, bistro gardens. You're just like, that's words. Yep,

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 2>taking the wife out to Pepee Gardens for our fifteenth anasy.

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, So Jennifer Garner goes to this restaurant and pretends

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 1>to be the server and she calls him out for

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:50.279
<v Speaker 1>being a two timing cheater and he's like, oh no,

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:54.359
<v Speaker 1>and then his wife is like, what's going on that?

0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Another very like weird. I mean, it's like, if

0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Garner can't make something think charming, then you're in trouble.

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:05.759
<v Speaker 2>But it's such a weird scene where she's talking about

0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:09.239
<v Speaker 2>like killing a pig or something. We get it, we

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 2>get it. Sure, Dinner at Pepe Gardens ruined. Yeah.

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Then Jennifer Garner goes to Jessica Bial's I Hate Valentine's

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Day party where the little boy from earlier shows up

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and professes his love for Jennifer Garner.

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Hate this twist because we've been led to believe, And

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.040
<v Speaker 2>first of all, I'm like, why am I invested in

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 2>this nine year old's love life.

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 1>They're clearly trying to replicate the Little Boy from Love

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 1>actually in his storyline where he loves one of his classmates,

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 1>so we think that same thing is happening here. But no, no, no,

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 1>The twist is he's in love with his adult teacher,

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 1>and I feel like it's almost implied that he's in

0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 1>love with her because he misses his mom, who ends

0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:58.440
<v Speaker 1>up being Drea Roberts.

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Which it's like you could examine that dynamic in a

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 2>movie that's not this movie where it's like he's because

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:09.160
<v Speaker 2>it's like whatever, kids get confused all this stuff. At

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 2>least she doesn't say anything really creepy, like I was

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 2>expecting her to, like one of those like call me

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:17.800
<v Speaker 2>in ten years. You're like, anytime someone says that to

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 2>like an eight year old in a movie like Don't

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Call Her in ten Years. Yeah, but that Secrets of

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.319
<v Speaker 2>Events was really fun because these movies so desperately need

0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:30.319
<v Speaker 2>every character to be tangentially connected to someone else that

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 2>like Emma Roberts not for nothing, worst babysitter in the

0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:40.040
<v Speaker 2>history of babysitters. The kid gets kidnapped twice under her

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:44.919
<v Speaker 2>view because the kid makes his teacher realize that she's

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 2>in love with Ashton Kutcher. Meanwhile, unbeknownst to Jennifer Garner,

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Ashton Kutcher has just technically kidnapped this kid, yeah, and

0:47:57.320 --> 0:48:01.840
<v Speaker 2>driven him to the restaurant, which obviously this kid is

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 2>not at risk for a stranger danger. Apparently he's like,

0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 2>I've met this florist. He could give me a ride,

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.800
<v Speaker 2>And then Emma Roberts sees him and thinks he's being abducted,

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 2>which he kind of is, but then he's like, don't worry,

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm a florist, and you're like what.

0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:20.520
<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile, his grandparents are too busy kissing it at

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the Hollywood Forever Cemetery to notice that he's missing.

0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, in their defense, they did hire a babysitter. She

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:31.800
<v Speaker 2>just is too horny to babysit. Yeah, they did hire

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Emma Roberts, but she was so focused on fucking her

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:36.040
<v Speaker 2>boyfriend at lunch.

0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Her boyfriend who's the delivery driver at the restaurant where

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:45.919
<v Speaker 1>the I hate Valentine's Day party is taking places. It's

0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 1>all connected, all right. So then the little boy professes

0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:53.920
<v Speaker 1>his love for Jennifer Garner and she's like, well, what

0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:57.760
<v Speaker 1>about that girl who's your age, from your class, your friends,

0:48:57.800 --> 0:49:00.760
<v Speaker 1>but maybe that could turn into love. And this helps

0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 1>her realize that maybe the person she has loved all

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.120
<v Speaker 1>along is her best friend, Ashton Kutcher.

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Don't do it. Don't do it.

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:12.120
<v Speaker 1>And then this is when we start to get some

0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:16.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, tying up of these storylines where Emma Roberts

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:19.160
<v Speaker 1>realizes she's not ready to have sex yet and she

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 1>tells her boyfriend and he's like, that's okay, we can

0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:24.760
<v Speaker 1>still make out and then they kiss.

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Amazing journey that they've been on.

0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:32.879
<v Speaker 1>Then Julia Roberts and Bradley Cooper's plane lands in la

0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:35.719
<v Speaker 1>He gives her access to his private car so that

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:39.160
<v Speaker 1>she can spend extra time with her loved one, who

0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:42.560
<v Speaker 1>he assumes is her husband, but it ends up being

0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:46.040
<v Speaker 1>her son, the little boy who loves Jennifer Garner.

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Wow, WHOA. I do feel like they bury the lead

0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 2>of that big time where they talk about her as

0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:54.440
<v Speaker 2>if she is like dead. Yes, they do at the beginning.

0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:55.799
<v Speaker 2>The twist is she's not dead.

0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 1>She's Julia Roberts and she's in the military.

0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:03.120
<v Speaker 2>She's Navy. The those Julia Roberts. I really I'm just

0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:06.880
<v Speaker 2>like she is getting back from doing something so evil,

0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:12.200
<v Speaker 2>catastrophically evil. Yes, but her son is so big. That's

0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:15.880
<v Speaker 2>she just ends with it. You're so big, You're so big. Anyways,

0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 2>goodbye to those characters.

0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Yes, goodbye to them. Then we find out that the

0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:26.280
<v Speaker 1>person Bradley Cooper is going to see is Eric Dane

0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>because they're together, or they were, but they broke up.

0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:33.920
<v Speaker 1>But then Bradley Cooper saw him coming out publicly and

0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:36.920
<v Speaker 1>he's proud of him, so then they get back together

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:37.799
<v Speaker 1>question mark.

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:40.560
<v Speaker 2>But again the timeline on that does not work out

0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:43.440
<v Speaker 2>at all, because we are led to believe that the

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Eric Dane character comes out while Bradley Cooper is already

0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:48.000
<v Speaker 2>on the plane.

0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 1>For sure that yeah, one hundred percent, that's what happened.

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:51.919
<v Speaker 1>So how did he know.

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Where was he going? How did he know? He was like,

0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:59.680
<v Speaker 2>if you don't come out on national television on Valentine's Day,

0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:01.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm dumping your ass and.

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get a flight to la just in case

0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:04.560
<v Speaker 1>that does happen.

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:07.439
<v Speaker 2>And like, what was his job and why was he

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:10.800
<v Speaker 2>fourteen hours away by plane? I think he was also

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:13.600
<v Speaker 2>doing war crimes because he has a lot of money.

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:15.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think he's like an oil executive

0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 2>or he's something like really quite evil. But anyways, they're

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:23.480
<v Speaker 2>gay and they're gonna play and then it cuts away

0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:26.680
<v Speaker 2>in a very twenty ten move. It's like, oh wow,

0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:31.040
<v Speaker 2>two gay characters. They can't kiss, they can just be

0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:32.399
<v Speaker 2>near each other.

0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:35.480
<v Speaker 1>They can lightly embrace. But that's it.

0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, representation When I can't get that line out of

0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:42.680
<v Speaker 2>my mind. It's so funny.

0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 1>It's poetry, is what it is. Okay. Then tofra Grace

0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:51.359
<v Speaker 1>goes to Ann Hathaway and they make up. I'm gonna

0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:52.880
<v Speaker 1>gloss over this because I want to talk about it

0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:57.040
<v Speaker 1>later in the discussion. Yeah, disaster truly, she should dump

0:51:57.080 --> 0:52:01.319
<v Speaker 1>him seriously. Then Jamie Foxx and j Soca Bie'll get

0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:04.279
<v Speaker 1>together in what I feel might be the most contrived

0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:08.520
<v Speaker 1>storyline of them all. But they're kissing now.

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're kissing in front of a green screen.

0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:16.799
<v Speaker 1>And then Jennifer Garner goes to Ashton Kutcher being like, Hey,

0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:20.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe we're in love, and then they kiss and it's

0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:24.480
<v Speaker 1>awkward and they're like, I don't know, but I don't know.

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we can make this work. And that's how the

0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:27.759
<v Speaker 1>movie ends.

0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh and then one more shot of the horcrucks bear.

0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:33.960
<v Speaker 1>We mustn't forget.

0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Taylor switches in an elevator and I think half of

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 2>she's in four scenes. Two scenes, she's in front of

0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:43.359
<v Speaker 2>the school, she's at the football field, and then she's

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:45.440
<v Speaker 2>in the elevator two times. Her first scene is so

0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:48.799
<v Speaker 2>funny because she's just like talking to Jennifer Garner and

0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 2>being annoying. Question work, Yeah, we'll get there anyways, that's

0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:55.960
<v Speaker 2>the movie. And then a thousand bloopers. Yeah, and then

0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:57.120
<v Speaker 2>it's finally over.

0:52:57.280 --> 0:53:00.319
<v Speaker 1>It's finally over after two hours. Let's take another and

0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:13.560
<v Speaker 1>we'll come back to discuss, and we're back.

0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Today was a fairy tale. There's also like original Taylor

0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Swift song to go with. It's true this movie was

0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:23.080
<v Speaker 2>so successful.

0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:26.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean in the sense that it got a lot

0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:28.480
<v Speaker 1>of money at the box office. It had a fifty

0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 1>two million dollar budget. It grossed two hundred and sixteen million.

0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Yes at the box office. A critical flop though.

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean goes with that saying this whole era

0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:42.279
<v Speaker 2>of not even just Gary Marshall, just this format, because

0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:45.560
<v Speaker 2>it's like he's just not that into you, same same deal.

0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:48.840
<v Speaker 1>But when it's a drama like Crash, then it wins

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:51.920
<v Speaker 1>an oscar for some reason, even though that movie is

0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:52.800
<v Speaker 1>peepee poop.

0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Who I was saying, We just recorded our burlesque episode,

0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:59.960
<v Speaker 2>And I confess that I sometimes mix up Stanley Tucci

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:04.560
<v Speaker 2>and Alan Cumming for a similar baffling. I often mix

0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:08.760
<v Speaker 2>up the movie Crash and Sideways. So I've been avoiding

0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:12.439
<v Speaker 2>watching Sideways for years for apparently no reason. I guess

0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>it's a good movie, and I thought it was Crash,

0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:18.759
<v Speaker 2>which is a bad movie. But I just just like,

0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:21.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to why, I don't know.

0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, anyway, let's talk about Valentine's Day.

0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ. Okay, didn't like my little story, all right,

0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:34.360
<v Speaker 2>don't know, no, no, no, who do you want to

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:35.400
<v Speaker 2>talk about first?

0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess I just want to make a broad

0:54:39.800 --> 0:54:44.400
<v Speaker 1>statement that in an ensemble movie like this, where there

0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 1>are literally dozens of characters, it is very very easy

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:52.839
<v Speaker 1>to have an incredibly diverse cast, but just does not

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:58.759
<v Speaker 1>have a movie he doesn't do that. It largely centers white, straight, cis,

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 1>able bodied people who are traditionally attractive by Western beauty standards.

0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the characters who are not white generally don't have

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:12.839
<v Speaker 2>the same love stories. I think the only characters that

0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:16.319
<v Speaker 2>have actual love stories are Jamie Fox right.

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, for example, George Lopez is there to uplift

0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:23.839
<v Speaker 1>Ashton Kutcher's character. He does have sort of, but it's

0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:26.759
<v Speaker 1>not a love storyline. No, it's just a scene where

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.600
<v Speaker 1>he kisses his wife for two seconds.

0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:32.320
<v Speaker 2>And it's also so scary because they don't let her speak,

0:55:32.400 --> 0:55:34.680
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, right, what is it's really giving?

0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Like decoy wife? Yeah, it doesn't work like you're saying,

0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:43.680
<v Speaker 2>He's just there to read roomy poetry to Ashton Kutcher. Yeah,

0:55:43.719 --> 0:55:46.080
<v Speaker 2>and the same with like Queen Latifa is very much

0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 2>like a supporting character comic relief who does not get

0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:56.479
<v Speaker 2>even an attempted storyline, amongst other things that are off

0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:58.560
<v Speaker 2>about that character. But yeah, for the most part, it's

0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:02.200
<v Speaker 2>like overwhelmingly like we're looking at white and white passing

0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:05.760
<v Speaker 2>couples who are bad for each other.

0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, there is one queer couple. True, And

0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:16.160
<v Speaker 1>it feels as though the writer of the movie, who

0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:23.160
<v Speaker 1>is named Catherine Fugate, she also wrote New Year's Eve,

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.080
<v Speaker 1>if I'm not mistake she did.

0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:28.280
<v Speaker 2>She also wrote a Julia Styles movie I've never seen,

0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:30.360
<v Speaker 2>but I know as a kind of a millennial movie

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:32.600
<v Speaker 2>called The Prince in Me. Haven't seen it.

0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I vaguely remember that. It feels like it's

0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:40.080
<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, we have a quota to phil we

0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:44.239
<v Speaker 1>need one gay couple so that everyone will shut up

0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:46.719
<v Speaker 1>about there not being enough queer representation.

0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's really telling that the fact that there has

0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:51.399
<v Speaker 2>been a gay couple in the movie the whole time

0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 2>is like a twist at the very end of the

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:56.839
<v Speaker 2>exactly like the twist Bradley Cooper is gay because you're

0:56:56.880 --> 0:56:59.600
<v Speaker 2>supposed to. I think you're supposed to think the whole

0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:01.960
<v Speaker 2>time that he's going to end up with Julia Roberts,

0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 2>for sure, because in movies like this, if you're sitting

0:57:05.080 --> 0:57:07.320
<v Speaker 2>next to each other, you have to get married.

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, but not the case here.

0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Instead, all of the scenes between him and Julia Roberts

0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:19.360
<v Speaker 2>are incredibly weird because they're talking around this trope of

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:21.120
<v Speaker 2>if you sit next to each other, you have to

0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:23.720
<v Speaker 2>get married, and then they're like, surprise, he's gay.

0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:28.360
<v Speaker 1>The end that's framed as a twist. Also, Eric Dane

0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:32.360
<v Speaker 1>being gay is set up as another big reveal where

0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:35.080
<v Speaker 1>rather than the audience learning that he's gay early on

0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:39.080
<v Speaker 1>and then like we see him decide whether or not

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 1>to come out publicly because that would be a major choice,

0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:46.560
<v Speaker 1>especially for an American football player, where like that's an

0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:51.800
<v Speaker 1>extremely homophobic organization and you know, right, like it still is,

0:57:52.280 --> 0:57:55.640
<v Speaker 1>but we don't see that him coming out is treated

0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:58.160
<v Speaker 1>like a big twist, right, And that seems like it

0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:03.680
<v Speaker 1>only happens to set up a string of homophobic jokes

0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:07.480
<v Speaker 1>that Jamie Foxx will make later on during his sports

0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:09.040
<v Speaker 1>journalism broadcast.

0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.480
<v Speaker 2>And it's like the fact that the jokes are framed

0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:14.760
<v Speaker 2>within the movie is like good natured and like, ultimately

0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:17.040
<v Speaker 2>he's supportive, but he's just gonna say a bunch of

0:58:17.040 --> 0:58:21.160
<v Speaker 2>homophobic stuff on TV and then be like, ah, just kidding, buddy,

0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I support you. You're just like it's so so dated

0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:29.439
<v Speaker 2>the way that the only queer couple of the movie,

0:58:29.440 --> 0:58:33.040
<v Speaker 2>which is like, this movie is so weirdly written that

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:37.200
<v Speaker 2>everything was surprising to me because it wasn't actually set

0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:40.400
<v Speaker 2>up in anyway. So you're like, oh, okay, I guess

0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:46.240
<v Speaker 2>Julia Roberts is alive and that kid's mom. Huh, Yeah,

0:58:46.240 --> 0:58:48.360
<v Speaker 2>I know. I thought the entire I mean, it was

0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:52.040
<v Speaker 2>a very twenty ten attempt to include a gay character.

0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:56.640
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, every plot point is like, surprise, surprise, he's gay,

0:58:56.760 --> 0:59:00.000
<v Speaker 2>and we don't see them together for most of the movie.

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:02.960
<v Speaker 1>There's just like one ten second moment at the end

0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:05.280
<v Speaker 1>where they lightly embrace. Again, they're not allowed to kiss,

0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:09.880
<v Speaker 1>because heaven forbid, we had queer characters kissing on screen

0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:11.520
<v Speaker 1>in a movie in twenty ten.

0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Which is like a conversation that was at least extent

0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:17.400
<v Speaker 2>to like twenty seventeen, with like Josh Gadd being like

0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:20.920
<v Speaker 2>a huge win for queer representation. I slow danced with

0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:23.440
<v Speaker 2>a man in the background of a scene and Beauty

0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:26.520
<v Speaker 2>and the Beast and you're just like, get out of here,

0:59:26.600 --> 0:59:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Josh Gadd.

0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, Also, as we discussed, Bradley Cooper keeps talking to

0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Julie Roberts being like, Wow, that guy that you're in

0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:39.520
<v Speaker 1>love with romantically, who you're gonna go visit for one day.

0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:42.760
<v Speaker 1>What a lucky guy. And oh my gosh, wow.

0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Why doesn't she just correct him?

0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Why doesn't she correct him? And it's also just weird

0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:50.720
<v Speaker 1>that so he's like seemingly making an assumption that she's

0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:53.920
<v Speaker 1>seeing a romantic partner. It doesn't make any sense that

0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:56.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the few queer characters in the movie would

0:59:56.640 --> 1:00:00.959
<v Speaker 1>be making such a heteronormative assumption. Yeah, that doesn't track

1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:01.320
<v Speaker 1>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole thing doesn't make sense unless I'm like, I

1:00:04.120 --> 1:00:06.680
<v Speaker 2>guess we don't technically know if that character is closeted,

1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:09.440
<v Speaker 2>although we're led to believe that he isn't based on

1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:12.880
<v Speaker 2>how he reacts to like his partner coming out, because

1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:14.280
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the vibe is supposed to be like, no,

1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:17.080
<v Speaker 2>we can be together, right, But I don't know. Is

1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:20.880
<v Speaker 2>he like an out oil executive?

1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:22.920
<v Speaker 1>We know nothing about him.

1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:25.640
<v Speaker 2>I guess that that is the job I projected onto him.

1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:27.920
<v Speaker 2>But I do think I'm right for some reason.

1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he has enough money to have a private

1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:33.560
<v Speaker 1>limo pick him up from the airport and take him anywhere.

1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:35.840
<v Speaker 1>He wants to go. The trouble is we don't know

1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:39.480
<v Speaker 1>enough about him or his relationship with Eric Dane. We

1:00:39.600 --> 1:00:42.040
<v Speaker 1>have to project all this stuff onto him because the

1:00:42.080 --> 1:00:45.360
<v Speaker 1>movie doesn't care enough about I mean any of the characters,

1:00:45.360 --> 1:00:47.560
<v Speaker 1>but especially this queer couple.

1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like it always feels pronounced in the one

1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:54.960
<v Speaker 2>relationship out of forty that is a queer relationship, and

1:00:55.000 --> 1:00:58.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like, I don't know, outside of existing, it's not

1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:03.200
<v Speaker 2>doing anything. This is just a general observation. This movie

1:01:03.320 --> 1:01:05.840
<v Speaker 2>like really goes willy nilly on like who gets the

1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:08.800
<v Speaker 2>last name and who doesn't. There's really no rhyme or reason.

1:01:09.840 --> 1:01:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Half the characters have full names. Half the characters don't.

1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Jessica Alba is Morley Clarkson, whereas Bradley Cooper is Holden. Yeah,

1:01:20.600 --> 1:01:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Garner is Julia Fitzpatrick, whereas Tefer Grace is Jason.

1:01:25.760 --> 1:01:28.880
<v Speaker 2>We don't know. I liked that. That's a compliment I'm

1:01:28.880 --> 1:01:32.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna get. It's just like brain dead, you know. Yes,

1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:36.280
<v Speaker 2>so that's one relationship that is horrible. I mean, I

1:01:36.360 --> 1:01:39.200
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to sort of talk about the overall just

1:01:39.920 --> 1:01:43.640
<v Speaker 2>very like of the time twenty ten racism. That's present

1:01:43.760 --> 1:01:47.600
<v Speaker 2>in this movie at every opportunity. I feel like you

1:01:47.640 --> 1:01:50.840
<v Speaker 2>have what we were talking about earlier, which is that

1:01:51.480 --> 1:01:55.160
<v Speaker 2>the non white characters that are there generally don't get

1:01:55.840 --> 1:01:59.600
<v Speaker 2>the exhausting love story that we get for most of

1:01:59.640 --> 1:02:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the white characters in the story. And then there's like

1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:07.080
<v Speaker 2>stuff that's even more aggressive, like the character who works

1:02:07.200 --> 1:02:10.920
<v Speaker 2>at the florist shop and the family that runs the

1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Indian restaurant is just like so so so heavily stereotyped

1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:20.160
<v Speaker 2>that it feels like, yes, egregious for twenty ten, Like

1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:24.480
<v Speaker 2>it feels like it's like nineteen eighty two egregious movie

1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:25.920
<v Speaker 2>racism for sure.

1:02:26.440 --> 1:02:29.840
<v Speaker 1>This movie is obsessed with jokes that are at the

1:02:29.920 --> 1:02:33.560
<v Speaker 1>expense of people who don't speak English as their first language.

1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:37.080
<v Speaker 1>There are a number of jokes to that effect. There's

1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:41.400
<v Speaker 1>stereotypes about LATINX people in La We see the like

1:02:41.640 --> 1:02:46.320
<v Speaker 1>George Lopez's cousin in his car and that's hilarious because

1:02:46.360 --> 1:02:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Ashton Kutcher drives in the car and it's all very tropy.

1:02:52.280 --> 1:02:55.959
<v Speaker 2>Then there's an Asian character that works at the floral shop.

1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:59.960
<v Speaker 2>We don't even know where. It's just like a general

1:03:00.680 --> 1:03:05.120
<v Speaker 2>stereotyped Asian racist character, Like the movie doesn't give us

1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:08.240
<v Speaker 2>enough information to even it's ridiculous.

1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, what happens there is Jamie Fox is interviewing him. Oh,

1:03:13.160 --> 1:03:15.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of another character. So there's another character where

1:03:15.440 --> 1:03:18.120
<v Speaker 1>James Fox is interviewing a man who works at like

1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:21.680
<v Speaker 1>the flower market, where floral shop owners.

1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:23.959
<v Speaker 2>Go, oh, sorry, yes, but there is someone who also

1:03:24.040 --> 1:03:26.320
<v Speaker 2>works at them. But yeah, right, remember right, So it's

1:03:26.360 --> 1:03:29.240
<v Speaker 2>just racism all over the place, and I know we

1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:31.960
<v Speaker 2>have to reference it, it just feels deprossing to even give

1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:36.480
<v Speaker 2>it airtime. The character who works at Ashton Kutcher's flower

1:03:36.560 --> 1:03:39.760
<v Speaker 2>World or fucking whatever, it's another fake ass name where

1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:43.640
<v Speaker 2>it's like Santa Flowers or I don't even know, like

1:03:44.760 --> 1:03:50.800
<v Speaker 2>something ridiculous. But the character who works at the flower

1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:55.960
<v Speaker 2>shop is subjected to the same lazy joke about like

1:03:56.000 --> 1:03:58.040
<v Speaker 2>why don't you speak English. He's like yelling at a

1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Bulgarian woman for I had to learn English, so do you?

1:04:02.840 --> 1:04:06.480
<v Speaker 2>And then Ashton Kusher joins in on the fun. And

1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:09.480
<v Speaker 2>then also he's subjected to like homophobic tropes too, where

1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I feel like he's heavily queer coded and he's saying

1:04:12.200 --> 1:04:15.720
<v Speaker 2>that he knows every dressmaker in Las Vegas and then anyways,

1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:16.760
<v Speaker 2>you never see him again.

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<v Speaker 1>True. Yeah, A lot of the humor of this movie,

1:04:21.080 --> 1:04:25.200
<v Speaker 1>or attempts at humor and comedy, come from just relying

1:04:25.320 --> 1:04:29.720
<v Speaker 1>on stereotypes, harmful, reductive stereotypes.

1:04:30.040 --> 1:04:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the end, like a huge chunk of the

1:04:32.560 --> 1:04:36.280
<v Speaker 2>movie takes place at an Indian restaurant. The only character

1:04:36.400 --> 1:04:41.320
<v Speaker 2>that we really get to know Ish is the child

1:04:41.600 --> 1:04:45.560
<v Speaker 2>who is friends with Julia Roberts's son question Mark. We

1:04:45.680 --> 1:04:49.080
<v Speaker 2>know that she likes Frank Zappa. I don't know why

1:04:49.080 --> 1:04:51.280
<v Speaker 2>we know that, but we are told that. We are

1:04:51.480 --> 1:04:56.320
<v Speaker 2>told that, and there's just a lot of heavy, heavy stereotyping.

1:04:57.160 --> 1:04:58.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's bad, it's bad. On top of that, as

1:05:02.120 --> 1:05:05.600
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned again, there's so many opportunities for this to

1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:09.560
<v Speaker 1>be a far more diverse cast based solely on just

1:05:09.640 --> 1:05:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the number of characters, but we see very little diversity

1:05:14.920 --> 1:05:18.680
<v Speaker 1>in every regard. There's no body diversity, especially for the

1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:23.240
<v Speaker 1>characters who are afforded a romantic storyline. Yeah, none of

1:05:23.280 --> 1:05:26.400
<v Speaker 1>those characters are fat, none of those characters are disabled.

1:05:27.120 --> 1:05:31.640
<v Speaker 1>There are no trans or gender queer characters.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, which is not shocking for the time this came out,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was like, on top of being just like

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<v Speaker 2>grossly negligent in any interest in any diversity in your cast,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we end up talking about this every

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<v Speaker 2>time we cover a movie like this. It also makes

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<v Speaker 2>a movie really confusing to watch because it's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of like white women with straight brown hair, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>just like, you know, it's not even a dig to

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<v Speaker 2>the actors, but there was a few moments where I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, wait, did that up in Anne Hathaway's character

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<v Speaker 2>or Jennifer Carter's character, Like they have the same hairstyle,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's the same age. It is really confusing, certainly, and

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<v Speaker 2>also because it's like impossible to get invested or root

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<v Speaker 2>for any of these coupls that you're just like, who

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<v Speaker 2>is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is anybody? There is one couple who are seniors

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<v Speaker 1>in Shirley maclain and Hector Elizondo. I was surprised because

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<v Speaker 1>older people's romantic life is rarely included in movies. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a story about people who are already together, rather

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<v Speaker 1>than like an older person meeting another older person and

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<v Speaker 1>finding love. That is something that's largely ignored and rarely

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<v Speaker 1>shown on.

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<v Speaker 2>Screen until the Jane Fonda assance of the last five

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<v Speaker 2>to ten years. So it's like those movies do exist,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, this movie has no interest in it. I

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of I was back and forth on that

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<v Speaker 2>because it's all nonsense, right, But you're like, at least

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<v Speaker 2>they were given a genuine conflict, like it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>like we're old, because I feel like sometimes you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like grandparent characters are just there for comic relief or

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<v Speaker 2>just like for sure, especially in these kinds of comedies.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and also, it would just be really insulting

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<v Speaker 2>to those two, like really successful actors to give them nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're given a solid conflict, but that it like

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<v Speaker 2>also it doesn't go anywhere because that she just shows

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<v Speaker 2>up in a cape and she's like, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>forgive me, and he's like, oh, okay, all right, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they're back together, yes whatever. So that one is bad.

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<v Speaker 2>We have who else? We have? Jamie Fox and Jessica Biale,

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<v Speaker 2>this couple, I agree. I mean, they're all so flimsy,

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<v Speaker 2>but these two are really I guess they do. I

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<v Speaker 2>will say they have more in common than some of

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<v Speaker 2>the couples. I'm happier for them than I am for

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<v Speaker 2>Tofa Grace a Dane Hathaway. They both like sports and

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<v Speaker 2>they I hate Valentine's Day. I think they're gonna make it.

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<v Speaker 1>That is true. Is that the basis for a relationship. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we just see them kiss. We don't know what happens

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<v Speaker 1>after that. But I mean, the bottom line in a

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<v Speaker 1>movie like this is fine, an ensemble cast with vignettes,

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<v Speaker 1>it can work, but you need fewer characters basically to

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<v Speaker 1>allow any of them to have any real depth or characterization.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead there's forty eight million characters in this movie,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they're all completely glossed over and given very

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<v Speaker 1>little characterization, very little context. Yeah, the nature of the

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<v Speaker 1>relationships is super glossed over, right, It's all messy, But

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<v Speaker 1>this one feels especially vague and like real.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it didn't stick out to be as vague

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<v Speaker 2>er than the other ones. That's true, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was so actively it's like one of

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<v Speaker 2>the only interracial couples in the movie. And then outside

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<v Speaker 2>of that, I was like, yeah, they basically have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>in common and the actors have no chemistry, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>which actors in this movie do?

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<v Speaker 1>Oooh, that's very true.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it equal opportunity fucking sucked. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know I should have ranked the couples in order of

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<v Speaker 2>how little I was rooting for them. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>they are in the upper fifty percent ale for me

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<v Speaker 2>because at least they hate Valentine's Day and love sport.

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<v Speaker 1>That is more context than we get for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the couples. It's true. I would say the storyline

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<v Speaker 1>that I simultaneously hated the most and the least. Ooh,

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<v Speaker 1>for reasons all explain right now. Okay, was the tof

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<v Speaker 1>for Grace and Anne Hathaway story.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that one is brutal. I also just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>quickly say, because this movie bears a lot of resemblance

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<v Speaker 2>to He's Just Not That into You, two of the

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<v Speaker 2>same story by credits go to Catherine Fuguet and then

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<v Speaker 2>Abby Cone and Mark Silverstein, who also wrote He's Just

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<v Speaker 2>Not That Into You. So it's all the same. It's

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<v Speaker 2>all the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Movie, It truly is. Okay, So the Tofer Grace anne

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<v Speaker 1>Hathaway storyline, the beats are that they've been dating for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks. He does not know at first

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<v Speaker 1>that she works part time as an adult phone entertainer,

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<v Speaker 1>he finds out he doesn't like it, and he breaks

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<v Speaker 1>up with her because of it. Then he realizes his

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<v Speaker 1>mistake after hearing other characters talk about how when you

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<v Speaker 1>love someone you have to love all of them, even

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<v Speaker 1>their gross parts, and so he shows up at Anne

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<v Speaker 1>Hathaway's apartment to try to win her back, and ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>it works. The reason I like it or I like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what happens here is based on a few

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<v Speaker 1>lines of dialogue where Anne Hathaway says, I feel bad

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<v Speaker 1>about how you found out about my job. That was awkward,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's the only thing I'm going to apologize for,

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<v Speaker 1>implying that she's not going to apologize for doing phone

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<v Speaker 1>sex work, nor is she going to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>But the big problem is that she then forgives him.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't because they've been dating for two weeks. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>get out of there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you have an easy out.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not a tolerant person. Get out of no's.

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<v Speaker 1>And she says that, like she says, when you found

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<v Speaker 1>out something about me that you didn't like, you judged

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<v Speaker 1>me and bailed, And that's not a promising foundation for

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship. I feel like that's the most meaningful analysis

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<v Speaker 1>we get of romance in the entire movie that's otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>about absolutely nothing, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was why I think this is a relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of hate the most because it's like, it

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<v Speaker 2>gets so close to saying something, but then in the

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<v Speaker 2>next two seconds it undercuts that completely. She's like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but I forgive you and I want to make love

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<v Speaker 2>to my boyfriend. I was like, you guys have been

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<v Speaker 2>together for two weeks. Two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. The reason I hate it so much is because

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<v Speaker 1>of the implication that he only decides to get back

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<v Speaker 1>together with her after learning that when you love someone,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to love the gross parts about them, implying

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<v Speaker 1>that her doing sex work is one of the gross

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<v Speaker 1>things about her that he has to learn to love, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So the whole thing just sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>And then on top of that, I was also frustrated

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<v Speaker 2>by the implication that I mean this felt less actively.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that the writers were like actively trying

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<v Speaker 2>to imply this, but because the cultural dismissal of sex

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<v Speaker 2>work is so prevalent that when Anne Hathaway introduces this information,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, like she's hiding it from people because

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't want to be judged, which makes sense to

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<v Speaker 2>me to the extent that like, society is very hostile

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<v Speaker 2>towards sex workers, but it also is implied that she

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<v Speaker 2>is ashamed of it and the only reason that she's

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<v Speaker 2>doing it is because she's in debt, which can be true,

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<v Speaker 2>but again it just felt like a very underthought, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the only reason that we are rooting for this character

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<v Speaker 2>is because she doesn't actually want to do this forever,

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<v Speaker 2>Like she just wants to do it until she's out

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<v Speaker 2>of debt and then she'll stop and get a quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote regular job, which it did seem like what the

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<v Speaker 2>implication was was like I appreciated that she was unapologetic

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<v Speaker 2>about it and that she's like I'm going to keep

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, like fuck you, I need this job, but

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it also is like but as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as I don't have to do it, I will not

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<v Speaker 2>because it's I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It just felt like a very like no, I got

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<v Speaker 1>that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And then she says one of the worst lines

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<v Speaker 2>in the movie, which is Sugar can't answer the phone

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<v Speaker 2>right now, she's got to make love to her boyfriend

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<v Speaker 2>on Valentine's Day, which literally turned my stomach. He also

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<v Speaker 2>so her the thing she's doing in bed at the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning is taking the scary polaroids he's kept them and

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<v Speaker 2>turns them into a murderer card and like tapes them

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<v Speaker 2>all on a piece of construction of paper like a

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<v Speaker 2>six year old and is like, take me back. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, he's gotta go, He's gotta go, get

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<v Speaker 2>him out.

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<v Speaker 1>All of these people have to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm rooting for Anne Hathaway's character. I do think

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<v Speaker 2>that she needs to find another room and Queen Latifa

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<v Speaker 2>Sports Agency to take the calls.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, not only is she taking the calls at her

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<v Speaker 1>other job, which like whatever, I've definitely worked, yeah, one

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<v Speaker 1>job while I was at my other job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she gotta be smooth about it.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta be smooth about it. And she's not only

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<v Speaker 1>taking those calls at this office where she works, but

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<v Speaker 1>she's using the office phone a lot of the time

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<v Speaker 1>and not her private cell phone.

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<v Speaker 2>And she also is like sort of lightly implied that

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<v Speaker 2>Queen Latifa is like picking up and listen listening, But

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<v Speaker 2>she's just like what Queen Latifa's character. Not only I

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<v Speaker 2>mean we already discussed the fact that I mean, as

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<v Speaker 2>with many of the non white characters in this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>She there's no suggestion or interest in giving her a storyline.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe she's the only black woman in the movie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and they give her nothing. Uh wull they do give

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<v Speaker 2>her is really weird. She Yeah, she makes a very

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<v Speaker 2>dated comment about bipolar in her first line, and then

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<v Speaker 2>everything she says is just kind of like vaguely like

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<v Speaker 2>girl Boss soup talk, where she's like, I have to business.

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<v Speaker 2>My football is gay, Like you're just like what.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, the thing that they have her say toward the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the movie, when she takes up a phone

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<v Speaker 1>call that's intended for Anne Hathaway because it's another phone

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<v Speaker 1>sex call, Queen Latifa assumes the role of adult phone

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<v Speaker 1>entertainer and then says something just very racially charged and

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<v Speaker 1>just icky. And I felt so embarrassed that Queen Latifa

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<v Speaker 1>had to do that, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That like three white writers put that together. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>just pray to God that that was like bad prov

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<v Speaker 2>on her part and like not, I don't know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was she's given simply nothing to do. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>she's I don't know, but I mean, if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at everyone in this movie, the Queen Latifa at this

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<v Speaker 2>point is Oscar nominated Jamie Fox has an Oscar no

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<v Speaker 2>idea like did he want a boat? We don't know

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<v Speaker 2>who knows why anyone is here? Who else is there?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess oh, Jennifer Garner, Ashton Kutcher.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like some of these storylines aren't even worth Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of feel like I have nothing to say about that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of my comments are just sort of broader

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<v Speaker 1>in the sense that, like, for example, the way class

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<v Speaker 1>is handled in this movie. Every character seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>middle class, upper middle class. Yeah, there's no romance shown

1:16:52.760 --> 1:16:56.639
<v Speaker 1>between two poor people. That's another thing that's rarely seen

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<v Speaker 1>in movies in general. Or if there is a poor

1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:03.599
<v Speaker 1>person who falls in love, it's almost always them getting

1:17:03.600 --> 1:17:08.479
<v Speaker 1>with a rich person a La Titanic, Allah, Woman's true

1:17:08.760 --> 1:17:12.320
<v Speaker 1>stories like that, but very rarely do we see a

1:17:13.000 --> 1:17:20.280
<v Speaker 1>romantic storyline between two characters who are poor and stay poor.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, that's just like that didn't even occur to me,

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<v Speaker 2>because we've covered so many movies like this where you're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have been truly shocked if that it happens.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole movie seems to take place like in West La, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's such a bummer.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the other thing is like this, and I

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<v Speaker 1>get that this is a movie about Valentine's Day, which

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<v Speaker 1>centers on romantic love, so it's gonna be stories that

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<v Speaker 1>focus on romantic love, but it's also a very narrow

1:17:50.640 --> 1:17:54.920
<v Speaker 1>view of romantic love. Again, Like, it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>very shocking if a movie in twenty ten would have

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<v Speaker 1>included anything that wasn't you know, a cis hetero monogamous

1:18:03.920 --> 1:18:06.800
<v Speaker 1>love story. But like, I guess I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>see more stories where there are romantic storylines between polyamorous

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<v Speaker 1>people kink stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where with the furries?

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<v Speaker 1>Where with the furries? Where are the people who were

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of dating casually and who just want right

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<v Speaker 1>a fling or a one night stand or friends with benefits?

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<v Speaker 1>Like all of these stories are about people who were

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<v Speaker 1>in very serious, committed relationships or like falling deeply in

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<v Speaker 1>love and you know stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the thought that I had about the Jessica Bale. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like these are all super monogamous relationships. And I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like there was basically no public discourse about anything other

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<v Speaker 2>than monogamous relationships when this movie came out. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>it is pretty bleak that like the way Jessica Biel's

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<v Speaker 2>character is acting, which is like she's like ready for

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<v Speaker 2>Death's sweet Embrace, is like a more plausible character than

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<v Speaker 2>someone who's dating casually. Like it's just like really depressing

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<v Speaker 2>that this person who doesn't exist is put there instead

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<v Speaker 2>of someone who you know very much existed in twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's yeah, but this movie is basically like Hallmark propaganda.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. It's like people don't buy Christmas ornaments for

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<v Speaker 2>people they're casually dating, so that is useless to Gary's

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<v Speaker 2>goal here. I don't know. I mean, yeah, it is

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<v Speaker 2>like frustrating, but it's also like it' Valentine's Day twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I will say that this movie does appear to

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<v Speaker 1>try to subvert some things. All of these subversions are

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<v Speaker 1>very surface level. They go nowhere. Nothing very meaningful is

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<v Speaker 1>said about any of these things, but I did find it,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess interesting that, for example, with the Ashton Kutchure

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica Albo storyline, it is the man who appears to

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<v Speaker 1>be a hopeless romantic who's gushing about love, and the

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<v Speaker 1>woman who is the more stoic and not so obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with romance. Usually you see the opposite in movies, especially

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<v Speaker 1>rom coms.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt that too, but that it was also like

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<v Speaker 2>the way she was talking was so like weird. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish she had just been like I don't love you,

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<v Speaker 2>because it seemed like that was the issue, because I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like the undertone of what she was saying was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I love my career, so I cannot be married, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But that he's like, no, you could be married and

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<v Speaker 2>have a career, which is really brave of him to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Well feminist icon Ashton Kutcher.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and he's wearing a pink shirt, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten signifier for male feminists. That he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean you can have a job and

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<v Speaker 2>be married to me. But then she's sort of instead

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<v Speaker 2>of saying I don't love you, is like no I can't,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, oh, okay, well whatever, bust of luck

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<v Speaker 2>to her with whatever her jobs, because of course we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what it is. She is, like, the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing I thought about was my meeting at work, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, not your meeting at work.

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<v Speaker 1>My meeting at my work job.

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<v Speaker 2>I half expected her to show up at Queen Latifa industries,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was not the way it went. For as

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<v Speaker 2>little as we know about this character, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty awesome that she has a last name, which

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<v Speaker 2>is Clarkson, Morley.

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<v Speaker 1>Clarkson, more clark from me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, every realm common name. Sounds like your mouth is

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<v Speaker 2>full when you say it, just full of marbles, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>carom on a hand. Another some version I think is

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<v Speaker 2>the Shirley Maclain Hector Elizonda's story where it's the woman

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<v Speaker 2>who has the affair. I feel like it's more common

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<v Speaker 2>to see a man cheating on his wife in movies. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And also it's more common for a man to demand

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<v Speaker 2>forgiveness and be immediately granted by the other character.

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<v Speaker 1>Very true.

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<v Speaker 2>So girls could do anything including gaslight they're spousal to

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<v Speaker 2>forgiving them for something pretty awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Again, this movie does not have the purview to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>or examine any of these things meaningfully, but it did

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<v Speaker 1>show something which is the opposite of what you might expect.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the last one would be a hyper masculine

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<v Speaker 1>football player is gay and ready to play.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That I felt like was a genuine attempt at as

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<v Speaker 2>a version, And we also talked about the flip side

1:22:27.800 --> 1:22:30.520
<v Speaker 2>of that of like the twist as He's gay happens

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<v Speaker 2>several times in this movie. I don't know. This movie

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<v Speaker 2>got nominated for a number of Teen Choice Awards and Razzies.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to single went out because I think the

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<v Speaker 2>Teen Choice Awards and the MTV Movie Awards and all

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<v Speaker 2>of this there's always like a real datedness to not

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<v Speaker 2>even the people nominated, but to the awards themselves. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there should be, if there isn't already, there

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<v Speaker 2>could be a whole like doctoral thesis written about the

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<v Speaker 2>empty the award for Best Kiss where so many I mean,

1:23:03.760 --> 1:23:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I cover it in Lolita podcasts, where like a kiss

1:23:06.960 --> 1:23:09.960
<v Speaker 2>from Lolita was nominated for Best Kiss at the MTV

1:23:10.040 --> 1:23:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Movie Awards. Like, there's just all sorts of shit, but

1:23:12.000 --> 1:23:13.640
<v Speaker 2>the one that stood out to me is not a

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<v Speaker 2>I guess maybe I never watched the Teen Choice Awards.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know, but there is a award for

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<v Speaker 2>Choice Movie Colon hissy Fit. This award was given out

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<v Speaker 2>through twenty eighteen. It has since been discontinued, which is

1:23:33.200 --> 1:23:36.200
<v Speaker 2>really brave. The me Too movement, You know, it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>It killed Teen Choice Award for Choice hissy Fit, but

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<v Speaker 5>I just wanted to shout out Jessica Bill was nominated.

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<v Speaker 5>She did not win Choice hissy Fit for a scene

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<v Speaker 5>where she lays on floor, so I just I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know that was such. And then there's of course, Taylor

1:23:52.280 --> 1:23:55.360
<v Speaker 5>Swift and Taylor Lotter were nominated for every kissing award

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<v Speaker 5>there was, and bravely they lost I'm pretty sure to

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<v Speaker 5>Kristen Stewart and Robert Patton. Whoa I know, double Taylor

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<v Speaker 5>Lautner snub brutal. I'm just looking at who's one.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess at least the hissy Fit Award

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<v Speaker 2>is not just women who are nominated for it, which

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<v Speaker 2>is sort of what I assumed. Oh wow, okay, so

1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:18.840
<v Speaker 2>it's an inclusive all genders could have a hissy fit

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<v Speaker 2>at the Teen Choice Awards. I just want to see

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<v Speaker 2>who she was up against. Okay, So Miley Cyrus actually

1:24:25.400 --> 1:24:28.880
<v Speaker 2>one one Choice hissy fit two years in a row.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations to her for what Hannah Montana. She won for

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<v Speaker 2>Handah Montana the movie in nine, and then she won

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<v Speaker 2>for the last song question Mark in twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's one of those. I think it's a Nicholas

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<v Speaker 1>Sparks adaptation.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds right. She's tied with Madeline Petch of Riverdale

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<v Speaker 2>for most hissy Fit Awards won. Okay, so that's exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to shout out that baffling award. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Miley Cyrus one Puff Daddy was also nominated for him

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<v Speaker 2>is hissy Fit and get him to the Greek Giovanni

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<v Speaker 2>Vrabisi was nominated for his hissy Fit and Avatar one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, And Vince Vaughn was nominated for his hissy

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<v Speaker 2>Fit and Couple's Retreat.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, when it comes to that now defunct

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<v Speaker 2>a word, I'm sure it was just an honor to

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<v Speaker 2>be nominated.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go through the remaining things on my what the

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck list? Sure, we've touched on a few of them.

1:25:30.240 --> 1:25:34.360
<v Speaker 1>The ones we haven't touched on, the whole scene where

1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:39.000
<v Speaker 1>that teen boy is naked in front of his girlfriend's

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<v Speaker 1>mom and then runs out into the street while he's

1:25:41.520 --> 1:25:46.800
<v Speaker 1>still naked. Sure. Emma Roberts tells basically everyone that she

1:25:46.960 --> 1:25:49.759
<v Speaker 1>comes into contact with that she plans to have sex

1:25:49.800 --> 1:25:52.479
<v Speaker 1>today for the first time. She tells her teacher, she

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<v Speaker 1>tells the family she babysits for, people who don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>need to know. But also I'm glad that she feels open.

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<v Speaker 2>Kristin Shall gets to know.

1:26:02.479 --> 1:26:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh Shall gets to Also, speaking of Christian Shall, don't

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<v Speaker 1>disrespect her by putting her in the movie and only

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<v Speaker 1>letting her have two lines. Also, Kathy Bates, don't disrespect

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy Bates like that, I see.

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<v Speaker 2>I disagree. I think the less you're in this movie,

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<v Speaker 2>the more you are respected.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair. Fair.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Charlie McClain is in this movie too much.

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<v Speaker 2>She's too good to be in this movie as.

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<v Speaker 1>Much she is too good. What else let's see. Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>Garner is an elementary school teacher. She's teaching her young

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<v Speaker 1>students about protons and electrons. They are supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>fifth graders, although some of them look like they're seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. There's also like a kid who knows about the

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Valentine's Day massacre in Chicago. Yeah, which I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>who told him about that? That's what a prey?

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<v Speaker 1>Cool? Either way, I don't think kids start learning about

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<v Speaker 1>Adams when they're in fifth grade. I was learning about

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<v Speaker 1>like nimbus clouds in science class, so that's not tracking.

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<v Speaker 2>I was learning about Valentine's Day and protons in the

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<v Speaker 2>same class.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what else during the Little the little kid's name

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<v Speaker 1>is Edison, I think whatever. He plays a soccer game.

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<v Speaker 1>He's distracted because he's so freaking in love with Jennifer Garner.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the ref comes up to him to encourage

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<v Speaker 1>him to keep playing. Not the coach, but the ref.

1:27:31.320 --> 1:27:32.519
<v Speaker 1>That is not the ref's job.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I didn't even notice that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think the people who wrote this movie understand

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<v Speaker 1>how a soccer game is played. Final thing. Anne Hathaway

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<v Speaker 1>wants to be a poet, so she's working for a

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<v Speaker 1>sports agent because she says she wants to learn the business.

1:27:52.240 --> 1:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>As if working for a sports agent is going to

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<v Speaker 1>help with her poetry career.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a mess, you know. Oh another line I liked,

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<v Speaker 2>call me mister engaged. Sure, there's a moment. This is

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<v Speaker 2>like an attempted, botched, really confusing joke. It's another offensive

1:28:12.880 --> 1:28:16.160
<v Speaker 2>thing that happens at the Ashton Kutcher Flower World. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a woman with a baby in front of a nun

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<v Speaker 2>in line for flowers. She needs to hand the baby

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<v Speaker 2>to someone to hold flowers. Question mark. The nun says,

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<v Speaker 2>I will hold the baby. She says, you should know

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<v Speaker 2>we're Jewish, and I was like, well, so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>miss on that joke. And then and wait, good keeps

1:28:34.960 --> 1:28:37.800
<v Speaker 2>going though because the nun is like it's okay, God

1:28:37.880 --> 1:28:41.120
<v Speaker 2>loves everyone or something, and then the baby collaps for

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<v Speaker 2>the nun's tolerance. It's really weird. It's really bizarre. I

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<v Speaker 2>also liked the scene. We mentioned this before, but I

1:28:49.560 --> 1:28:52.080
<v Speaker 2>wrote to some of the lines because Taylor Swift's line

1:28:52.120 --> 1:28:54.600
<v Speaker 2>reads bless her heart. They're just not very good. But

1:28:54.720 --> 1:28:57.639
<v Speaker 2>that scene where she's in the elevator with Jennifer Carter

1:28:57.840 --> 1:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and Taylor Swift is like, I have to go to school.

1:29:00.760 --> 1:29:03.600
<v Speaker 2>I have a boyfriend, I live here. I hope to

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<v Speaker 2>get a lot of Valentine's Valentine's Day. Isn't this sweet

1:29:07.360 --> 1:29:09.519
<v Speaker 2>that my boyfriend got me this bear. I have to

1:29:09.560 --> 1:29:12.800
<v Speaker 2>go to school. You're just like she's just talking and

1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:14.800
<v Speaker 2>talking and talking, and it's like supposed to be a joke.

1:29:14.840 --> 1:29:18.280
<v Speaker 2>But it also just feels like it was written by AI.

1:29:18.840 --> 1:29:21.080
<v Speaker 2>This whole movie feels like it was maybe written by AI.

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<v Speaker 1>The one compliment I will pay this movie is the

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<v Speaker 1>movie does take the time during the press conference where

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Dane says I'm gay and I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Play thank you for saying it.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the movie does take the time to cut

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<v Speaker 1>away to a sign language interpreter who is signing during

1:29:45.880 --> 1:29:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Eric Dane's speech. That's I appreciated that because that rarely happens.

1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:53.599
<v Speaker 1>That's rarely shown on screen. You never see that in movies.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a good point. I was like, Wow, not

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<v Speaker 1>that that character ever comes back, like the sign interpreter.

1:30:01.800 --> 1:30:04.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but I do appreciate that, Like, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>that was just like a normalized part of the world.

1:30:06.040 --> 1:30:06.760
<v Speaker 2>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

1:30:07.520 --> 1:30:11.959
<v Speaker 2>I also wanted to shout at the actor who plays Ronnie,

1:30:12.040 --> 1:30:15.519
<v Speaker 2>who is like the love interest of Edison. She is

1:30:15.760 --> 1:30:19.280
<v Speaker 2>now a very successful working actor. She was in one

1:30:19.280 --> 1:30:22.679
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite movies to watch on a plane missing

1:30:22.920 --> 1:30:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen it? I love a computer movie. I

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<v Speaker 2>love a movie that happens on the computer. She's storm

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<v Speaker 2>Read's best friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the John Chow and Deborah Messing is also

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<v Speaker 1>their movie.

1:30:34.720 --> 1:30:37.080
<v Speaker 2>No Zion is. Deborah Messing is not in this movie.

1:30:37.120 --> 1:30:39.880
<v Speaker 2>This is the new one It came out last year,

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<v Speaker 2>where Gabrielle Union plays a bomb who goes missing. The

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<v Speaker 2>first one is called Searching. This is missing. It takes

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<v Speaker 2>place in the Searching universe. I don't know why you

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<v Speaker 2>would get confused, but she's also she's also in a

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<v Speaker 2>typical she was in Never Have I Ever, and she

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<v Speaker 2>was in Poker Face. Okay, I feel that I'm too

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<v Speaker 2>old to watch all of those shows, but there's no.

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<v Speaker 1>Such thing as being too old for anything.

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<v Speaker 2>If my sure, I guess what I'm saying is I

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<v Speaker 2>probably won't watch those shows. But it's nice. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it's very rare that you see like a character

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<v Speaker 2>actor with one scene who goes on to have it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like a pretty successful career. And she's like only

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<v Speaker 2>in her early mid twenties, So shout out to her

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<v Speaker 2>nose and her having Frank Zappa on her iPod or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeap, do you have anything else you'd like to say, Jamie.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to say that I'm gay and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to play. But that's all I have to say at

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<v Speaker 2>this time. I have an announcement. Uh just it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the raw conviction with which he says the line is

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<v Speaker 2>really awesome. And again, I really do think it's like

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<v Speaker 2>it is a impactful, like cool thing that that character

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<v Speaker 2>is included an out and the even though it's unbelievably

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<v Speaker 2>dated and messy, that the movie is like supportive of him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it's just like that they wrote that line

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<v Speaker 2>down and that's awesome. So yeah, shout out to Eric Dane,

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<v Speaker 2>a man whose face I just can never commit to memory. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the movies he's in this year in twenty ten or

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<v Speaker 2>Valentine's Day and Burlesque, this is like a banterer year

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<v Speaker 2>for him, being in some of the worst movies of

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<v Speaker 2>our time.

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<v Speaker 1>Just one last thing on his character. And admittedly I

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<v Speaker 1>did zero research on this, and I know really nothing

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<v Speaker 1>about the NFL. But oh, since that movie came out,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a number of NFL players have come out

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<v Speaker 1>as gay. And I honestly, again because I did no research,

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what the response to that was from the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>from the general public. I simply don't know. But I

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is a thing and maybe I'll research

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<v Speaker 1>more about it. But because I do not care anything

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<v Speaker 1>about American football, I didn't bother.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you need to apologize for otisfied. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>to the extent that it's like professional football is still

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<v Speaker 2>unbelievably homophobic, and anyone who does come out is even

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<v Speaker 2>if they're accepted by the league, are generally bombarded with

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<v Speaker 2>hate speech from a lot of professional football fans.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm reading here that I'm a player named Carl

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<v Speaker 1>Nassib was the NFL's first openly gay player to play

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<v Speaker 1>in a regular season game in twenty twenty one, so

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<v Speaker 1>eleven years after this movie came out.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't want to like not as mishandled as

1:33:38.120 --> 1:33:41.400
<v Speaker 2>it is, this plot point was a bit ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>its time, and I also wanted to because I guess

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<v Speaker 2>if we have Gray's Anatomy fans listening to this, I

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<v Speaker 2>truly haven't seen in an episode. Sorry. So apparently Eric

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<v Speaker 2>Dane is mixed Steamy to Patrick Dempsey's Make Dreamy, So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that in two thousand ten people were like

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<v Speaker 2>mc Stevie and Make Dreamy in the same Anyways, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure it's a great show. I haven't watched it and

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<v Speaker 2>I won't in same but that is probably a very

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<v Speaker 2>critical I'm sure that that is like what he was

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<v Speaker 2>most famous for at this time was being he was

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<v Speaker 2>four years deep on mixed steam when he was in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie. So there you go. There you go, I

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<v Speaker 2>have nothing else to say.

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<v Speaker 1>This movie, as we mentioned, does pass the Bechdel test

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<v Speaker 1>a few times. For example, when Jennifer Garner and Jessica

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<v Speaker 1>Biale talk about the I hate Valentine's Day party.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it quickly derails.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, It's mostly very small exchanges that are part of

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<v Speaker 1>larger conversations that don't pass the Bechdel test. Most exchanges

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<v Speaker 1>in the movie are about heterolove and attraction. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of men and women talking to each other. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of women talking to other women about men,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also men talking to each other about women,

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<v Speaker 1>such as when Ashton Kutcher and George Lopez talk about

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<v Speaker 1>like mushy romantic love. Right, But you don't see very

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<v Speaker 1>much in movies, So I was like, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, would have been helpful if you got to see

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<v Speaker 2>George Lopez's relationship at all until all in silent montage

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<v Speaker 2>right late in the movie. But yeah, it is. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you do have like a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie that are hopeless romantics of all genders, right,

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<v Speaker 2>or of the two genders that this movie recognizes. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>And then the same is true in the reverse, where

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<v Speaker 2>it's like you have, although it's not quite in the

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<v Speaker 2>same way where I feel like you don't unless there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many people. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that there's a woman in this movie who

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<v Speaker 2>is like fuck love. You get Jessica Biel being like

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<v Speaker 2>I want love so badly that it's ruining my life

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm laying on the floor, which is quite different.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I don't really get Jessica Bile's thing where it's

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<v Speaker 1>like I hate Valentine's Stay so much, not for any

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<v Speaker 1>institutional reasons, it's more because I'm so freaking lonely and pathetic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And okay, oh I forgot to mention this. When Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>Garner is describing her friend, who turns out to be

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica Bile, she's describing her as neurotic and a hot mess.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like, that's not a nice way to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>your friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Yeah, I was like, wow, do you guys

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<v Speaker 2>like each other? Also, how do you guys know each other?

1:36:26.560 --> 1:36:29.120
<v Speaker 1>How does anybody know each other? In this movie?

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<v Speaker 2>They all go to the same plate studio or something like,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't We're not given the reason this movie takes

1:36:37.000 --> 1:36:39.880
<v Speaker 2>place in space, like I don't even know. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that the couple that got married at the Indian

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant sued Jessica Bihl for making such a loud ass

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<v Speaker 2>party about how much they hated love directly facing their wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>Rude, so rude.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know this. It's a funny, bad movie.

1:36:58.200 --> 1:37:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Like I would watch this in a group. It feels

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<v Speaker 2>ripe for a drinking game.

1:37:02.920 --> 1:37:04.679
<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna say I would play a drinking

1:37:04.720 --> 1:37:07.400
<v Speaker 1>game to this movie. Yeah, absolutely, But.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it does tactically pass the Bechtel test. I think

1:37:09.600 --> 1:37:12.479
<v Speaker 2>it also passes between like Anne Hathaway and Queening Latifa

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<v Speaker 2>at some point. But their conversation is so bizarre that

1:37:15.400 --> 1:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>you're like, is this a meaningful exchange of dialogue? Does

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<v Speaker 2>a meaningful exchange of dialogue exist in this world? Hard

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<v Speaker 2>not say. But what about our metric, which is important.

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<v Speaker 1>Our nipple scale where we rate the movie zero two

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<v Speaker 1>five nipples based on examining the movie through an intersectional

1:37:33.479 --> 1:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>feminist lens. I'm giving it, as I already foreshadowed negative

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<v Speaker 1>five nipples the end.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give it half of one nipple actually

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<v Speaker 2>for attempting to include gay characters in twenty ten, even

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<v Speaker 2>though they do arguably a not good job, horrible job.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the fact that there was even an

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<v Speaker 2>attempt that is not openly hateful. It's just laden with stereotypes.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's a very very small comfort. But like I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that that is something that most movies in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten had no interest in even attempting. So true,

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<v Speaker 2>there you go, there's that and kind of yucky to

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<v Speaker 2>everything else. Did I have fun watching it? Was I laughing? Yes?

1:38:22.840 --> 1:38:26.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean I was tee heeing quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fun. It's fun to live in a world where

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<v Speaker 2>George Lopez is always outside your door quoting roomy, Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>why not?

1:38:35.800 --> 1:38:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I would have half nipple and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to give it to Megan Surrey who played Ronnie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh nice, nice. If I had to give anything to anyone,

1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:50.600
<v Speaker 1>it would be Kathy Bates. Oh yeah, God, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have no nipples to give.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt like she that was like community service for

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<v Speaker 2>her or something like she like got a speeding ticket

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<v Speaker 2>and then she had to be in Valentine's Day. That

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<v Speaker 2>should be what famous actors have to do when they

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<v Speaker 2>like do a parking violation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I agree. Well, listeners, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for indulging us on this Valentine's Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>May your holiday be not as pepe poo poo as

1:39:20.920 --> 1:39:21.840
<v Speaker 1>this movie is.

1:39:22.560 --> 1:39:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I honestly I wouldn't wish the fate of any

1:39:24.800 --> 1:39:30.559
<v Speaker 2>of these characters on any of you. You're welcome. Yeah wow,

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, Caitlin and I will probably what like, drink

1:39:33.560 --> 1:39:38.240
<v Speaker 2>it your last tonight. Yeah, true traditions, tradition.

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