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Speaker 2: We're going on tour.

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Speaker 1: We really are. And it's not just any tour. It's

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Speaker 1: we are covering Titanic and.

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Speaker 2: Shrek brilliantly titled the Shrek Tannic Tour. Yes, Shrek Tornic.

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Speaker 2: We're working on it. There's a couple there's a couple

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Speaker 2: currently doing five shows in the UK, with more shows

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Speaker 2: to be added. Stay tuned at the end of May.

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Speaker 1: Yes, starting with two shows in London on May twenty second,

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Speaker 1: once at six point thirty that's a Shrek show, one

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Speaker 1: at nine pm that is a Titanic show. Then we

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Speaker 1: are scooting over to Oxford on May twenty fourth we

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Speaker 1: are covering Titanic. Okay, Then we're scooting up to Edinburgh

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Speaker 1: on May twenty sixth and doing Shtrek.

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Speaker 2: If you're a Scottish Titanic fan, you are going to

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but also you're welcome. And then

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Speaker 1: if you do want to see Titanic somewhere nearby, you

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Speaker 1: you're just gonna want to come to kind of all

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Speaker 2: As your Bechdel Cast allies in the US can attest to.

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Speaker 2: Yep, So if you live in those areas, get those

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Speaker 1: Yes, they will, so head over to our link Tree

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Speaker 1: there and like we said, we're working on at least

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Speaker 1: We're hoping to announce that soon and otherwise, grab your

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Speaker 2: And enjoy the episode.

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Speaker 3: On the doodcast, the questions asked if movies have women

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Speaker 1: Happy Valentine, Jamie.

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Speaker 2: No, Caitlin, I'm having and I hate Valentine's Day party?

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Speaker 2: And guess what. It's at a restaurant where, for some reason,

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Speaker 2: It's Valentine's Day. You're like, lash, welcome to the Valentine's

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Speaker 2: Good lord. I feel like this has to be the

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Speaker 2: It's like late Gary Marshall. For some reason, he spent

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Speaker 1: Because we've already covered New Year's Eve, Yes, but Gary

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Speaker 2: so many late twists in this movie. I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Also, Gary Marshall directed Overboard, which we haven't covered.

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Speaker 2: all right, all right, all right, we'll tell you what

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Speaker 2: this show is. You win. Also, my name is Jamie.

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Speaker 1: And my name is Caitlin, and this is the Bechtel Cast,

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Speaker 1: where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel test as a jumping off point. But Jamie,

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Speaker 2: Well, the Bechtel Test is a media metric created by

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Speaker 2: queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, often called the Bechdel Wallace Test

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Speaker 2: due to it being created with Liz Wallace. It was

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Speaker 2: Valentine's Day, I will say, you know, just leading with

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Speaker 2: The ways in which it passes are really weird. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's such a rom comp thing sports marketing, You're just like, what, okay, okay, yes,

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Speaker 2: what is your history with Valentine's Day? Gary Marshall, twenty ten.

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Speaker 1: You'll never believe this, but all I had seen this

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Speaker 1: Awesome, yeah, so cool. So Jamie Fox goes to the

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Speaker 1: Oh, we'll get there. Yeah. Then we meet Patrick Dempsey.

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Speaker 1: He is dating Jennifer Garner, but he can't spend Valentine's

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Speaker 2: I was hoping that this would come up organically. Please, yes,

434
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Speaker 2: here we go. So, in a number of scenes, we

435
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: see Patrick Dempsey's character juggling pieces of fruit and it's

436
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: to symbolize the fact that his character is also juggling

437
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 2: two different relationships, do you understand. I think it's really

438
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: important that they get the metaphor across exclusively by comparing

439
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 2: women to objects, to pieces of fruit at least, you know,

440
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: beautiful organic objects. The metaphor is not lost on me.

441
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: And also the stark visual of a woman eating an

442
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: apple in bed at seven in the morning, My gums

443
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: would be gushing. It would be being a blood bath.

444
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: So I just I love I love movie. I love

445
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: it movie. No one has gum disease in movie.

446
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: Oh but they're too hot, they're too sexy. Okay, So

447
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: we meet Tofah Grace and Anne Hathaway. We find out

448
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 1: later that they've been dating for a couple weeks.

449
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: The weird thing she's doing is taking polaroid pictures of

450
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: him in bed like a serial killer. Yeah.

451
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: Anyway, they're smooching, but then she has to leave in

452
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: a big hurry because surprise, she is a phone sex

453
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: operator who needs to take a.

454
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: Call, but she also has several other jobs. I mean,

455
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: this is like contextualized in the story, but just the

456
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: way it's ritten, and I get like this movie came

457
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: out during the recession. It was like badly written timely

458
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: commentary on.

459
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 4: Like millennials trying to be adults in the world, but

460
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 4: it's hard. She's just like sneaking out of her job

461
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 4: at Queen Latifa World to loudly take the.

462
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Speaker 2: Phone sex operator calls, and it was just like, this

463
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: is just not how it would go. Surely there's a

464
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Speaker 2: break room. She's like in front of Queen Latifa's door.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I have a list of just like what the

466
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Speaker 1: fuck okay things that happened in this movie, and that

467
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: is on my list. I will perfect go over the

468
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: list later on love it. But yes, none of that

469
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: makes sense, not slick. No. So then we meet Shirley

470
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: McLain and Hector Elizondo. They have been married for many years.

471
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: They have a young grandson who goes to Ashton Kutcher's

472
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: flower shop to order roses for the girl at school

473
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: who he's in love with. Then we meet Julia Roberts

474
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Speaker 1: and Bradley Cooper. They are strangers sitting on a plane

475
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: next to each other headed to la She is in

476
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: the military, also is having a difficult time believing that

477
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: Julia Roberts would play a military person.

478
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: Which I don't doubt her acting ability, but she just

479
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: does look like Julia Roberts, and I really loved I mean,

480
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: we're supposed to be thinking that Bradley and Julia are

481
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: going to get together for the whole baby and then

482
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: there's a twist at the end. But yeah, I have

483
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: written out thank you for serving Julia Roberts. And I

484
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: also really like there's like this scene between them where

485
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm in the military, so I can tell

486
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: that you have trouble committing because you don't like heart

487
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: shaped candy. I was like, do they teach that in army?

488
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: She's I think it's implied that she is in some

489
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: kind of like special forces.

490
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like she's doing war crimes. And she's like, listen,

491
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: the first thing you learn in Navy Seal's basic training

492
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 2: is what Bradley Cooper looks like when he's having trouble committing.

493
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Speaker 1: It's so bizarre.

494
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: I love it.

495
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Anyway, we learn that she's on a fourteen hour flight

496
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Speaker 1: from wherever she's coming from.

497
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Speaker 2: I think that they keep it intentionally vague, super vague

498
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: to not imply her in any specific war crimes, right.

499
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And so she's on this fourteen hour flight

500
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: to spend only one day with her loved one, whoever

501
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: that might be.

502
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: Bradley Cooper assumes they're fucking. Yes, Bradley Cooper bakes all

503
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: sorts of assumptions.

504
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: For sure, and I'll talk more about that later, but anyway,

505
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: we get all that information. Then we cut back to

506
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner and Ashton Kutcher. They're best friends. Exhausting, he

507
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: encourages her to surprise Patrick Dempsey in San Francisco. But

508
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: this is when we learn that he was lying about

509
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: going to San Francisco and he actually has a wife

510
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: and a kid, which Jennifer Garner does not know about.

511
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: He's a dog. Yes.

512
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: Back to Anne Hathaway. So when she's not doing phone

513
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: sex work, she works for Queen Latifa, who is a

514
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: sports agent who reps a football player, Eric Dane, whose

515
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: career seems like it's on the decline. People are like,

516
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: is he going to retire?

517
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: They keep calling him old. Yeah, yeah, I feel like

518
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: they're trying to make him like Tom Brady coated. Oh yeah,

519
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: but maybe that wasn't true, a twenty ten whatever. A

520
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: football player who people speculate his career is almost over.

521
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: But the twist is he's gay and he's gonna play.

522
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: He's gay and he's gonna play.

523
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just love that line.

524
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: Wow. So Queen Latifa and Eric Dane get together for

525
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: a meeting, along with his publicist Jessica Beale. So Jessica

526
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: has entered the.

527
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: Chat and she is a mess.

528
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: She's so neurotic.

529
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: Good, we need to get her to a hospital. This

530
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: is like a really great just so bananas over the

531
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: top manic pixie dream girl taken to an extreme that

532
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: it does seem like she's not well.

533
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then we meet Emma Roberts. She is a high

534
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: school student who plans to have sex for the first

535
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Speaker 1: time with her boyfriend during their lunch period.

536
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: Awesome Kristin Shall appearance where Kristin Shall plays a teacher

537
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: and Emma Roberts is like, I'm going to go fuck

538
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: right now and Christinshaw's like, oh, that's started the scene.

539
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that jump scare. I thought it was fun. Also,

540
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 2: Emma Roberts is big like peak twenty ten in this

541
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: movie by only wearing really uncomfortable looking ballet flats in

542
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: every single scene.

543
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: Oh true.

544
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, where it's like the kind of shoes where you

545
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: can see the knuckles of your toes. Oh nasty.

546
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: Anyways, I was also wearing those in twenty ten.

547
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: We all were, We were all flat footed barbies back then.

548
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So, also at this high school are Taylor Swift

549
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: and Taylor Lautner. They are dating. He has bought her

550
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: an enormous teddy bear that's haunted, that might have an

551
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: evil demon living inside of it.

552
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: Yes, harkrks bear. Yes.

553
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: Then Emma Robert's boyfriend goes to her house to prepare

554
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: for their sex that they're gonna have, and he takes

555
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: off his clothes, but Emma Robert's mom comes home and

556
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: catches him naked, so he runs outside still naked, and

557
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: we're like, ha ha, awesome comedy. Meanwhile, Ashton is so

558
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: annoying excited about being gay. He's so annoying. Jessica Alba, However,

559
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: his fiance, she's not as excited, and he doesn't seem

560
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: to notice anyway.

561
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, fair like not to go back to

562
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: their first seed together. But again he wakes her up.

563
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: She's perfect because it's a movie. She's perfect. But the

564
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: first thing she says, hi, and then he launches in

565
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: and says, when I was a kid, most of the

566
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: advice my dad gave me was crap. I was like,

567
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: if you, as my boyfriend, are starting the day with that, no,

568
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: like good morning would be awesome.

569
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Speaker 1: And then he proposes, and we don't see her actually

570
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: say yes. It almost seems like he just shoves the

571
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: ring on her finger and assumes the answer is.

572
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: Yes, right, which at least is sort of commented on

573
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: later when she dumps his ass. But I just do

574
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: it like this is like a place where like love

575
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: actually actually does feel like way better paced, but because

576
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: so many scenes have to happen, it does feel like

577
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: there's like a bomb in the room that will go

578
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: off after seventy five seconds if they don't get all

579
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: this stuff out, like some of the scenes move. So

580
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: it for a movie where like nothing interesting happens. It's

581
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: really hard to watch these movies because so much is happening,

582
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: like you cannot look away, and they're two hours long.

583
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: So it's and you cast forty people.

584
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: Right exactly? Okay, So Patrick Dempsey goes to Ashton Kutcher's

585
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: flower shop to buy flowers for both his wife, his

586
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: wife and his secret girlfriend, Jennifer Garner and Ashton Kutcher

587
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: is thinking to himself, hang on, that's my friend Jennifer Garner,

588
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: which means my friend's boyfriend is secretly married. So he

589
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: goes to Jennifer Garner's work, she's an elementary school teacher,

590
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: to try to tell her that her boyfriend is secretly married,

591
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: but he doesn't get a chance to tell her she

592
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: still doesn't know. Then Ashton goes home to his lady love,

593
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: Jessica Alba, to leave a Valentine's Day gift, but he

594
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: discovers that she's about to leave him. All of her

595
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: stuff is packed up, and she breaks up with him.

596
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: And even his dog doesn't love him. It's kind of awesome.

597
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: Brutal uugh, and he's like, damn well, I better go

598
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: stop Jennifer Garner from getting on that plane to San Francisco.

599
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: So he rushes to the airport. We get an extremely

600
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: rom com cliche running through the airport, but this time

601
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: it's not to stop the love of his life, it's

602
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: to stop a friend, and we're like, wow, subversive.

603
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: But actually, I think the weirdest part of that scene

604
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: is that, like, it's such a well worn trope that

605
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: I was like, conditioning myself to be like, oh wow,

606
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: the movie's almost over, and then you look at the

607
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: run time you're like, it is like we're less than

608
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: halfway in at the airport run Seriously, I was like

609
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: overwhelmed with such relief and then dread that whole scene

610
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: is so long. We do get Paola Putnzka at least true.

611
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: Yes, anyway, so he does tell her that her boyfriend

612
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: is married, but Jennifer Garner refuses to believe it and

613
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: she gets on the plane anyway, question Mark. I have

614
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about that because the next time

615
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: we see her, she's in LA.

616
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: I was so confused. I was like, did she get

617
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: off at San Francisco? But then you could hear a

618
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: nurse clearly say also a very funny bad line, Hello,

619
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: you've reached Los Angeles Hospital.

620
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: As so you're like, not a real place.

621
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: Well, I guess they are in LA. I would love

622
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: to reach Los Angeles Hospital.

623
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, So none of that made sense either. Jamie

624
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: Foxx goes and tries to get an exclusive on Eric Dane,

625
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: the football player from Jessica Biale, who is upset because

626
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: she's single and she feels all alone.

627
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: First of all, she's on the floor and he's like

628
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: is she good, and they're like, well, she's usually fine

629
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: on the Fourth of July and even Saint Patrick's Day,

630
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: but on Valentine's Day she is sad, which sucks. She

631
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: like looks dead, You're right, and then they.

632
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: Fall in love and you're like, you're like sure, but anyway,

633
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: so yeah, she's upset, not only because she's single and

634
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: she feels lonely, but also no one has rsvped to her.

635
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: I hate Valentine's Day party.

636
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,240
Speaker 2: Which she's throwing at an Indian restaurant at this same

637
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: time as a wedding reception, which I'm just like, we've

638
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: got to call the restaurant because you do have to

639
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: pick one of those events. Yeah, and it's the wedding

640
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: because no one's coming to Jessica Biale's I Hate Valentine's

641
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 2: Day party.

642
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: But then everyone shows.

643
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: Up, including twenty people we've never met before, like majority

644
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: characters we do not know.

645
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: Yes, anyway, She's like, I hate Valentine's Day, and Jamie

646
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: Fox is also like, I hate Valentine's Day.

647
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: I wish I could just sports all day long, and

648
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: she's like, I wish I could sports all day long,

649
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: but I also crave love and he's like okay, and

650
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: then there's a big pratfall with a bunch of chocolates. Yes, disaster.

651
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: Oh anyway, he leaves and then Eric Dane, the football player,

652
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: comes out as gay at a press conference.

653
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: But what does he say.

654
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gay and I'm gonna play.

655
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: What a win?

656
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: Well because everyone's like congratulations, good for you, But are

657
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: you retiring? Like that's what this press conference or supposed

658
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: to be.

659
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does come out instead of answering a question,

660
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: but then he expands because he's gay and he's going

661
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: to play. And I mean, as goofy as that scene is,

662
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, twenty ten not bad? You know,

663
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 2: yeah you gay marriage was not legal in many places

664
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: at the time when this movie came out and was

665
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 2: tremendously successful. So can we chalk that legislation eventually passing

666
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 2: up to Eric Danes saying I'm gay and I'm gonna play.

667
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: I think we obviously can.

668
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: I think that it's certainly a big part. I don't know,

669
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: any inclusion in this movie is like very bare bones twenty.

670
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: Ten's I mean, that's what most of my notes are

671
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: about because it's abysmal.

672
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that we have identical notes, but never

673
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: forget that he is gay and he's gonna play. But

674
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: when we let him kiss on screen, we.

675
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: Won't no anyway. So then tofra Grace takes Anne Hathaway

676
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: to a Valentine's dinner where he discovers that she's a

677
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: phone sex worker and he's like, ooh, yucky, bye forever awesome.

678
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: Uh huh. Then Taylor Swift and Taylor Lautner are at

679
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: gym class or track practice, We're not really sure, being

680
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: interviewed by a reporter.

681
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: My boyfriend at this part of the movie got very

682
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: critical of a specific background actor who I then could

683
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: not stop looking at, not the reporter, the guy holding

684
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: the camera, or just like based on his energy. It's

685
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: just like so obviously not a real camera and not

686
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 2: on like it's not really pointing at anybody, and he's

687
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: sort of like slouching over. And I celebrate that background doctor.

688
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: I love that. It's like when a movie where someone

689
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: like takes a sip from a mug that's clearly empty

690
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: and they like, don't the mechanics and physicality of drinking

691
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: are like.

692
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: Just there's a couple of moments in this movie where

693
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't think we've brought this up in

694
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: an episode in a while, but the sort of like

695
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: character with one line energy where it's very like sag

696
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: card please. There's a couple characters in here that have

697
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: huge sag card please energy about them. I love the

698
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: security guard at the airport who's like, Hi, I'm a

699
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: security guard. You're just like, give her her sagcard.

700
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: She's like, put your shoes on. Ashton Kutcher, it's gross here.

701
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: Great, but yeah, so it's I unfortunately know exactly enough

702
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: about Taylor Swift to know that a lot of what

703
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: they're saying in this scene where nothing happens is like

704
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: references to twenty ten era Taylor Swift and Taylor Lautner

705
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: where it's like, my favorite number is thirteen. I would

706
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: never take off my shirt.

707
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: Like okay, okay. So then Shirley McClain reveals to her husband,

708
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: Hector Alizondo, that she had an affair with his business

709
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: partner some years ago.

710
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: And also in this movie, she's Shirley McClain.

711
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: It appears to be that she is, Yeah, she's just

712
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: playing herself.

713
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: But she's named Estelle, but she's actually because later they

714
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: go to Hollywood Forever and they see a Shirley McLain

715
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: movie and he's like, that's my wife, right, Literally.

716
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: Do you know what movie that was?

717
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 5: No?

718
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: I don't.

719
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: I didn't either. So he's upset and he's, you know,

720
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: discovered that his wife, Charlie McLain, was unfaithful.

721
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: He's straight and he's not gonna play.

722
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: Exactly. So he goes to Hollywood Forever Cemetery by himself.

723
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: For any non LA listeners, that's a place that's a

724
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: real cemetery, but they do a bunch of movie screenings.

725
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: So he goes to watch a movie there that his wife,

726
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: Shirley McClain is in. So they're like watching a movie

727
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: from I don't know, the fifties or sixties.

728
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 2: I guess the sixties, yes, And I wanted to figure

729
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: out I meant to, and then I apologize to our listeners.

730
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: I did not remember to follow through this because I

731
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: was like, it looked like the scene that they eventually

732
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: kiss in front of where Shirley, a younger Shirley McClain

733
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: is kissing another actor. It didn't seem like it was

734
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: like a really happy scene. Yeah, Like it seemed like

735
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: a sad goodbye kiss, not like a I'm getting back

736
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: together with Joe from the Princess Diaries.

737
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: True, but that is what happens because Shirley McClain comes

738
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: to the cemetery to find him, and then she's like,

739
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but if you love me, you have to

740
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: love all the parts of me, even the cheater parts.

741
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: And he's like, you're right, okay.

742
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: That I mean what a mess is like, first of all, no,

743
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: he doesn't, No, he doesn't. You had sex with his

744
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: best friend. He doesn't have to forgive you. And he's like, yes,

745
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 2: I do. I was wrong. You're like, when were you wrong?

746
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand that she Let's take this story

747
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: really seriously. I was just struggling with it because it

748
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, she said that she was lonely and

749
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: that he was away a lot, and I understand that

750
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: that level of spousal neglect will sometimes lead to infidelity, right,

751
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: but does he have to forgive her six hours later?

752
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: Good question or ever? And also the fact that Topher

753
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: Grace seems to think that that is like a one

754
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: to one with his situation, which is completely different, and

755
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: he is very much the villain of Yes. Anyways, I

756
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: liked the cape that Shirley maclain wears to her own movie.

757
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: If I was a movie star, I would show up

758
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: in a cape to my movies also and be really disruptive.

759
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's like down in front, and she's like, shut

760
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: the fuck up, I'm trying to kiss my husband.

761
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: I think it's so weird that he just went ahead

762
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: and said he's married to Sholie McLean. And then she's like, Hi,

763
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: I'm a.

764
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: Stelle anyway, will they kiss and make up? So everything's

765
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: fine there, and then Tilford Grace sees this and he

766
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: realizes that he judged Anne Hathaway and her job too harshly.

767
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: He sure did.

768
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Jennifer Garner gets confirmation that her boyfriend Patrick Dempsey

769
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: is married.

770
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, she goes to Los Angeles Hospital in San Francisco

771
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: and San Francisco find out, but she I guess she

772
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 2: just doesn't get on the plane and we're never told.

773
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: But we see her go into the doorway to get

774
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: onto the plane.

775
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: I know she just got off on the tarmac and

776
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: bought us. I don't understand. And then he said he

777
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: was going to do heart surgery in San Francisco. I don't.

778
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: I don't know any heart surgeons. And there's also like

779
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: a weird line he has at the beginning where he's like,

780
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: you know, doctors, we're always traveling. I was like, that's

781
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: not really the first thing I think of when I

782
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: think about doctors.

783
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 3: Right.

784
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: Anyways, I don't know what city she's in, but her

785
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: boyfriend does have a wife.

786
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she finds out where he's having dinner with

787
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: his wife.

788
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, another great fake name for something. It's like

789
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: Peepee Gardens or something, bistro gardens. You're just like, that's words. Yep,

790
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: taking the wife out to Pepee Gardens for our fifteenth anasy.

791
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: Anyway, So Jennifer Garner goes to this restaurant and pretends

792
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: to be the server and she calls him out for

793
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: being a two timing cheater and he's like, oh no,

794
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: and then his wife is like, what's going on that?

795
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Another very like weird. I mean, it's like, if

796
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: Jennifer Garner can't make something think charming, then you're in trouble.

797
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: But it's such a weird scene where she's talking about

798
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: like killing a pig or something. We get it, we

799
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: get it. Sure, Dinner at Pepe Gardens ruined. Yeah.

800
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: Then Jennifer Garner goes to Jessica Bial's I Hate Valentine's

801
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: Day party where the little boy from earlier shows up

802
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: and professes his love for Jennifer Garner.

803
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: Hate this twist because we've been led to believe, And

804
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: first of all, I'm like, why am I invested in

805
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: this nine year old's love life.

806
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: They're clearly trying to replicate the Little Boy from Love

807
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: actually in his storyline where he loves one of his classmates,

808
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: so we think that same thing is happening here. But no, no, no,

809
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: The twist is he's in love with his adult teacher,

810
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's almost implied that he's in

811
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: love with her because he misses his mom, who ends

812
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: up being Drea Roberts.

813
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: Which it's like you could examine that dynamic in a

814
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: movie that's not this movie where it's like he's because

815
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: it's like whatever, kids get confused all this stuff. At

816
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: least she doesn't say anything really creepy, like I was

817
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: expecting her to, like one of those like call me

818
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 2: in ten years. You're like, anytime someone says that to

819
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: like an eight year old in a movie like Don't

820
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: Call Her in ten Years. Yeah, but that Secrets of

821
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: Events was really fun because these movies so desperately need

822
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 2: every character to be tangentially connected to someone else that

823
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: like Emma Roberts not for nothing, worst babysitter in the

824
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: history of babysitters. The kid gets kidnapped twice under her

825
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 2: view because the kid makes his teacher realize that she's

826
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: in love with Ashton Kutcher. Meanwhile, unbeknownst to Jennifer Garner,

827
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: Ashton Kutcher has just technically kidnapped this kid, yeah, and

828
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: driven him to the restaurant, which obviously this kid is

829
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: not at risk for a stranger danger. Apparently he's like,

830
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: I've met this florist. He could give me a ride,

831
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: And then Emma Roberts sees him and thinks he's being abducted,

832
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: which he kind of is, but then he's like, don't worry,

833
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm a florist, and you're like what.

834
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, his grandparents are too busy kissing it at

835
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Forever Cemetery to notice that he's missing.

836
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: Well, in their defense, they did hire a babysitter. She

837
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 2: just is too horny to babysit. Yeah, they did hire

838
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: Emma Roberts, but she was so focused on fucking her

839
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: boyfriend at lunch.

840
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: Her boyfriend who's the delivery driver at the restaurant where

841
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 1: the I hate Valentine's Day party is taking places. It's

842
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: all connected, all right. So then the little boy professes

843
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: his love for Jennifer Garner and she's like, well, what

844
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: about that girl who's your age, from your class, your friends,

845
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: but maybe that could turn into love. And this helps

846
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: her realize that maybe the person she has loved all

847
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: along is her best friend, Ashton Kutcher.

848
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: Don't do it. Don't do it.

849
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: And then this is when we start to get some

850
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, tying up of these storylines where Emma Roberts

851
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: realizes she's not ready to have sex yet and she

852
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: tells her boyfriend and he's like, that's okay, we can

853
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: still make out and then they kiss.

854
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: Amazing journey that they've been on.

855
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: Then Julia Roberts and Bradley Cooper's plane lands in la

856
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: He gives her access to his private car so that

857
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: she can spend extra time with her loved one, who

858
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: he assumes is her husband, but it ends up being

859
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: her son, the little boy who loves Jennifer Garner.

860
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: Wow, WHOA. I do feel like they bury the lead

861
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: of that big time where they talk about her as

862
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: if she is like dead. Yes, they do at the beginning.

863
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: The twist is she's not dead.

864
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: She's Julia Roberts and she's in the military.

865
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: She's Navy. The those Julia Roberts. I really I'm just

866
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: like she is getting back from doing something so evil,

867
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: catastrophically evil. Yes, but her son is so big. That's

868
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: she just ends with it. You're so big, You're so big. Anyways,

869
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: goodbye to those characters.

870
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: Yes, goodbye to them. Then we find out that the

871
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 1: person Bradley Cooper is going to see is Eric Dane

872
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: because they're together, or they were, but they broke up.

873
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: But then Bradley Cooper saw him coming out publicly and

874
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: he's proud of him, so then they get back together

875
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: question mark.

876
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: But again the timeline on that does not work out

877
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: at all, because we are led to believe that the

878
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: Eric Dane character comes out while Bradley Cooper is already

879
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: on the plane.

880
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: For sure that yeah, one hundred percent, that's what happened.

881
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: So how did he know.

882
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: Where was he going? How did he know? He was like,

883
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: if you don't come out on national television on Valentine's Day,

884
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: I'm dumping your ass and.

885
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a flight to la just in case

886
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: that does happen.

887
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 2: And like, what was his job and why was he

888
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 2: fourteen hours away by plane? I think he was also

889
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: doing war crimes because he has a lot of money.

890
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think he's like an oil executive

891
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: or he's something like really quite evil. But anyways, they're

892
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: gay and they're gonna play and then it cuts away

893
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: in a very twenty ten move. It's like, oh wow,

894
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: two gay characters. They can't kiss, they can just be

895
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 2: near each other.

896
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: They can lightly embrace. But that's it.

897
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, representation When I can't get that line out of

898
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: my mind. It's so funny.

899
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: It's poetry, is what it is. Okay. Then tofra Grace

900
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: goes to Ann Hathaway and they make up. I'm gonna

901
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: gloss over this because I want to talk about it

902
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: later in the discussion. Yeah, disaster truly, she should dump

903
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: him seriously. Then Jamie Foxx and j Soca Bie'll get

904
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: together in what I feel might be the most contrived

905
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: storyline of them all. But they're kissing now.

906
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're kissing in front of a green screen.

907
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: And then Jennifer Garner goes to Ashton Kutcher being like, Hey,

908
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: maybe we're in love, and then they kiss and it's

909
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: awkward and they're like, I don't know, but I don't know.

910
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: Maybe we can make this work. And that's how the

911
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: movie ends.

912
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: Oh and then one more shot of the horcrucks bear.

913
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: We mustn't forget.

914
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 2: Taylor switches in an elevator and I think half of

915
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: she's in four scenes. Two scenes, she's in front of

916
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: the school, she's at the football field, and then she's

917
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: in the elevator two times. Her first scene is so

918
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 2: funny because she's just like talking to Jennifer Garner and

919
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: being annoying. Question work, Yeah, we'll get there anyways, that's

920
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: the movie. And then a thousand bloopers. Yeah, and then

921
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: it's finally over.

922
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: It's finally over after two hours. Let's take another and

923
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: we'll come back to discuss, and we're back.

924
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: Today was a fairy tale. There's also like original Taylor

925
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: Swift song to go with. It's true this movie was

926
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: so successful.

927
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: I mean in the sense that it got a lot

928
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: of money at the box office. It had a fifty

929
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: two million dollar budget. It grossed two hundred and sixteen million.

930
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: Yes at the box office. A critical flop though.

931
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean goes with that saying this whole era

932
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: of not even just Gary Marshall, just this format, because

933
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: it's like he's just not that into you, same same deal.

934
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: But when it's a drama like Crash, then it wins

935
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: an oscar for some reason, even though that movie is

936
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: peepee poop.

937
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 2: Who I was saying, We just recorded our burlesque episode,

938
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: And I confess that I sometimes mix up Stanley Tucci

939
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: and Alan Cumming for a similar baffling. I often mix

940
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 2: up the movie Crash and Sideways. So I've been avoiding

941
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 2: watching Sideways for years for apparently no reason. I guess

942
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: it's a good movie, and I thought it was Crash,

943
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: which is a bad movie. But I just just like,

944
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to why, I don't know.

945
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, let's talk about Valentine's Day.

946
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. Okay, didn't like my little story, all right,

947
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: don't know, no, no, no, who do you want to

948
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: talk about first?

949
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I just want to make a broad

950
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: statement that in an ensemble movie like this, where there

951
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: are literally dozens of characters, it is very very easy

952
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: to have an incredibly diverse cast, but just does not

953
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: have a movie he doesn't do that. It largely centers white, straight, cis,

954
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: able bodied people who are traditionally attractive by Western beauty standards.

955
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the characters who are not white generally don't have

956
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 2: the same love stories. I think the only characters that

957
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: have actual love stories are Jamie Fox right.

958
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: I mean, for example, George Lopez is there to uplift

959
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: Ashton Kutcher's character. He does have sort of, but it's

960
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: not a love storyline. No, it's just a scene where

961
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: he kisses his wife for two seconds.

962
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 2: And it's also so scary because they don't let her speak,

963
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: And I was like, right, what is it's really giving?

964
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: Like decoy wife? Yeah, it doesn't work like you're saying,

965
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: He's just there to read roomy poetry to Ashton Kutcher. Yeah,

966
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: and the same with like Queen Latifa is very much

967
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: like a supporting character comic relief who does not get

968
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 2: even an attempted storyline, amongst other things that are off

969
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: about that character. But yeah, for the most part, it's

970
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: like overwhelmingly like we're looking at white and white passing

971
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 2: couples who are bad for each other.

972
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, there is one queer couple. True, And

973
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: it feels as though the writer of the movie, who

974
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: is named Catherine Fugate, she also wrote New Year's Eve,

975
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistake she did.

976
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 2: She also wrote a Julia Styles movie I've never seen,

977
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: but I know as a kind of a millennial movie

978
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: called The Prince in Me. Haven't seen it.

979
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I vaguely remember that. It feels like it's

980
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: just like, oh, we have a quota to phil we

981
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: need one gay couple so that everyone will shut up

982
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: about there not being enough queer representation.

983
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: Well, it's really telling that the fact that there has

984
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 2: been a gay couple in the movie the whole time

985
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: is like a twist at the very end of the

986
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 2: exactly like the twist Bradley Cooper is gay because you're

987
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: supposed to. I think you're supposed to think the whole

988
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: time that he's going to end up with Julia Roberts,

989
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: for sure, because in movies like this, if you're sitting

990
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 2: next to each other, you have to get married.

991
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, but not the case here.

992
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 2: Instead, all of the scenes between him and Julia Roberts

993
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: are incredibly weird because they're talking around this trope of

994
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: if you sit next to each other, you have to

995
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: get married, and then they're like, surprise, he's gay.

996
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: The end that's framed as a twist. Also, Eric Dane

997
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: being gay is set up as another big reveal where

998
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: rather than the audience learning that he's gay early on

999
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: and then like we see him decide whether or not

1000
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: to come out publicly because that would be a major choice,

1001
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: especially for an American football player, where like that's an

1002
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: extremely homophobic organization and you know, right, like it still is,

1003
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: but we don't see that him coming out is treated

1004
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: like a big twist, right, And that seems like it

1005
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: only happens to set up a string of homophobic jokes

1006
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: that Jamie Foxx will make later on during his sports

1007
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: journalism broadcast.

1008
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: And it's like the fact that the jokes are framed

1009
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: within the movie is like good natured and like, ultimately

1010
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 2: he's supportive, but he's just gonna say a bunch of

1011
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: homophobic stuff on TV and then be like, ah, just kidding, buddy,

1012
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: I support you. You're just like it's so so dated

1013
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 2: the way that the only queer couple of the movie,

1014
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: which is like, this movie is so weirdly written that

1015
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: everything was surprising to me because it wasn't actually set

1016
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: up in anyway. So you're like, oh, okay, I guess

1017
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: Julia Roberts is alive and that kid's mom. Huh, Yeah,

1018
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: I know. I thought the entire I mean, it was

1019
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: a very twenty ten attempt to include a gay character.

1020
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, every plot point is like, surprise, surprise, he's gay,

1021
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: and we don't see them together for most of the movie.

1022
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: There's just like one ten second moment at the end

1023
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: where they lightly embrace. Again, they're not allowed to kiss,

1024
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: because heaven forbid, we had queer characters kissing on screen

1025
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: in a movie in twenty ten.

1026
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: Which is like a conversation that was at least extent

1027
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: to like twenty seventeen, with like Josh Gadd being like

1028
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 2: a huge win for queer representation. I slow danced with

1029
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 2: a man in the background of a scene and Beauty

1030
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: and the Beast and you're just like, get out of here,

1031
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: Josh Gadd.

1032
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: Anyways, Also, as we discussed, Bradley Cooper keeps talking to

1033
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: Julie Roberts being like, Wow, that guy that you're in

1034
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: love with romantically, who you're gonna go visit for one day.

1035
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: What a lucky guy. And oh my gosh, wow.

1036
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: Why doesn't she just correct him?

1037
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: Why doesn't she correct him? And it's also just weird

1038
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: that so he's like seemingly making an assumption that she's

1039
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: seeing a romantic partner. It doesn't make any sense that

1040
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: one of the few queer characters in the movie would

1041
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,959
Speaker 1: be making such a heteronormative assumption. Yeah, that doesn't track

1042
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: to me.

1043
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: The whole thing doesn't make sense unless I'm like, I

1044
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: guess we don't technically know if that character is closeted,

1045
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 2: although we're led to believe that he isn't based on

1046
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: how he reacts to like his partner coming out, because

1047
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: I feel like the vibe is supposed to be like, no,

1048
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: we can be together, right, But I don't know. Is

1049
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: he like an out oil executive?

1050
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: We know nothing about him.

1051
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: I guess that that is the job I projected onto him.

1052
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: But I do think I'm right for some reason.

1053
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he has enough money to have a private

1054
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: limo pick him up from the airport and take him anywhere.

1055
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: He wants to go. The trouble is we don't know

1056
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: enough about him or his relationship with Eric Dane. We

1057
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: have to project all this stuff onto him because the

1058
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: movie doesn't care enough about I mean any of the characters,

1059
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: but especially this queer couple.

1060
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it always feels pronounced in the one

1061
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: relationship out of forty that is a queer relationship, and

1062
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know, outside of existing, it's not

1063
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: doing anything. This is just a general observation. This movie

1064
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: like really goes willy nilly on like who gets the

1065
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: last name and who doesn't. There's really no rhyme or reason.

1066
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: Half the characters have full names. Half the characters don't.

1067
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: Jessica Alba is Morley Clarkson, whereas Bradley Cooper is Holden. Yeah,

1068
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: Jennifer Garner is Julia Fitzpatrick, whereas Tefer Grace is Jason.

1069
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: We don't know. I liked that. That's a compliment I'm

1070
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: gonna get. It's just like brain dead, you know. Yes,

1071
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: so that's one relationship that is horrible. I mean, I

1072
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 2: just wanted to sort of talk about the overall just

1073
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 2: very like of the time twenty ten racism. That's present

1074
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: in this movie at every opportunity. I feel like you

1075
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 2: have what we were talking about earlier, which is that

1076
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: the non white characters that are there generally don't get

1077
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: the exhausting love story that we get for most of

1078
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: the white characters in the story. And then there's like

1079
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 2: stuff that's even more aggressive, like the character who works

1080
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 2: at the florist shop and the family that runs the

1081
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: Indian restaurant is just like so so so heavily stereotyped

1082
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: that it feels like, yes, egregious for twenty ten, Like

1083
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 2: it feels like it's like nineteen eighty two egregious movie

1084
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 2: racism for sure.

1085
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: This movie is obsessed with jokes that are at the

1086
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: expense of people who don't speak English as their first language.

1087
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: There are a number of jokes to that effect. There's

1088
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: stereotypes about LATINX people in La We see the like

1089
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: George Lopez's cousin in his car and that's hilarious because

1090
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: Ashton Kutcher drives in the car and it's all very tropy.

1091
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,959
Speaker 2: Then there's an Asian character that works at the floral shop.

1092
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: We don't even know where. It's just like a general

1093
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: stereotyped Asian racist character, Like the movie doesn't give us

1094
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: enough information to even it's ridiculous.

1095
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what happens there is Jamie Fox is interviewing him. Oh,

1096
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of another character. So there's another character where

1097
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: James Fox is interviewing a man who works at like

1098
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: the flower market, where floral shop owners.

1099
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,959
Speaker 2: Go, oh, sorry, yes, but there is someone who also

1100
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: works at them. But yeah, right, remember right, So it's

1101
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: just racism all over the place, and I know we

1102
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: have to reference it, it just feels deprossing to even give

1103
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 2: it airtime. The character who works at Ashton Kutcher's flower

1104
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: World or fucking whatever, it's another fake ass name where

1105
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: it's like Santa Flowers or I don't even know, like

1106
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: something ridiculous. But the character who works at the flower

1107
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: shop is subjected to the same lazy joke about like

1108
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: why don't you speak English. He's like yelling at a

1109
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: Bulgarian woman for I had to learn English, so do you?

1110
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 2: And then Ashton Kusher joins in on the fun. And

1111
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 2: then also he's subjected to like homophobic tropes too, where

1112
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 2: I feel like he's heavily queer coded and he's saying

1113
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: that he knows every dressmaker in Las Vegas and then anyways,

1114
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 2: you never see him again.

1115
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: True. Yeah, A lot of the humor of this movie,

1116
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: or attempts at humor and comedy, come from just relying

1117
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: on stereotypes, harmful, reductive stereotypes.

1118
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the end, like a huge chunk of the

1119
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: movie takes place at an Indian restaurant. The only character

1120
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: that we really get to know Ish is the child

1121
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 2: who is friends with Julia Roberts's son question Mark. We

1122
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 2: know that she likes Frank Zappa. I don't know why

1123
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: we know that, but we are told that. We are

1124
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 2: told that, and there's just a lot of heavy, heavy stereotyping.

1125
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't even want to like.

1126
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bad, it's bad. On top of that, as

1127
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: we mentioned again, there's so many opportunities for this to

1128
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: be a far more diverse cast based solely on just

1129
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: the number of characters, but we see very little diversity

1130
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: in every regard. There's no body diversity, especially for the

1131
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: characters who are afforded a romantic storyline. Yeah, none of

1132
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: those characters are fat, none of those characters are disabled.

1133
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: There are no trans or gender queer characters.

1134
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: Right, which is not shocking for the time this came out,

1135
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 2: but I was like, on top of being just like

1136
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: grossly negligent in any interest in any diversity in your cast,

1137
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: I feel like we end up talking about this every

1138
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 2: time we cover a movie like this. It also makes

1139
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 2: a movie really confusing to watch because it's a lot

1140
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 2: of like white women with straight brown hair, and you're

1141
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 2: just like, you know, it's not even a dig to

1142
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: the actors, but there was a few moments where I

1143
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 2: was like, wait, did that up in Anne Hathaway's character

1144
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 2: or Jennifer Carter's character, Like they have the same hairstyle,

1145
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: everyone's the same age. It is really confusing, certainly, and

1146
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 2: also because it's like impossible to get invested or root

1147
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: for any of these coupls that you're just like, who

1148
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: is this?

1149
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: Who is anybody? There is one couple who are seniors

1150
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: in Shirley maclain and Hector Elizondo. I was surprised because

1151
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: older people's romantic life is rarely included in movies. It

1152
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: is a story about people who are already together, rather

1153
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: than like an older person meeting another older person and

1154
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: finding love. That is something that's largely ignored and rarely

1155
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: shown on.

1156
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 2: Screen until the Jane Fonda assance of the last five

1157
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: to ten years. So it's like those movies do exist,

1158
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: but yeah, this movie has no interest in it. I

1159
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 2: was sort of I was back and forth on that

1160
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 2: because it's all nonsense, right, But you're like, at least

1161
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 2: they were given a genuine conflict, like it wasn't just

1162
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: like we're old, because I feel like sometimes you know,

1163
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 2: like grandparent characters are just there for comic relief or

1164
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 2: just like for sure, especially in these kinds of comedies.

1165
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: I mean, and also, it would just be really insulting

1166
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 2: to those two, like really successful actors to give them nothing.

1167
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: So they're given a solid conflict, but that it like

1168
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 2: also it doesn't go anywhere because that she just shows

1169
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 2: up in a cape and she's like, you have to

1170
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 2: forgive me, and he's like, oh, okay, all right, and

1171
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 2: then they're back together, yes whatever. So that one is bad.

1172
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 2: We have who else? We have? Jamie Fox and Jessica Biale,

1173
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: this couple, I agree. I mean, they're all so flimsy,

1174
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 2: but these two are really I guess they do. I

1175
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 2: will say they have more in common than some of

1176
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: the couples. I'm happier for them than I am for

1177
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 2: Tofa Grace a Dane Hathaway. They both like sports and

1178
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 2: they I hate Valentine's Day. I think they're gonna make it.

1179
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: That is true. Is that the basis for a relationship. Well,

1180
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: we just see them kiss. We don't know what happens

1181
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: after that. But I mean, the bottom line in a

1182
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: movie like this is fine, an ensemble cast with vignettes,

1183
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: it can work, but you need fewer characters basically to

1184
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 1: allow any of them to have any real depth or characterization.

1185
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: But instead there's forty eight million characters in this movie,

1186
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: and so they're all completely glossed over and given very

1187
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: little characterization, very little context. Yeah, the nature of the

1188
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 1: relationships is super glossed over, right, It's all messy, But

1189
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: this one feels especially vague and like real.

1190
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 2: I guess it didn't stick out to be as vague

1191
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 2: er than the other ones. That's true, but I just

1192
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 2: I think I was so actively it's like one of

1193
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: the only interracial couples in the movie. And then outside

1194
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 2: of that, I was like, yeah, they basically have nothing

1195
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: in common and the actors have no chemistry, but like,

1196
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 2: which actors in this movie do?

1197
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: Oooh, that's very true.

1198
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 2: I feel like it equal opportunity fucking sucked. I don't

1199
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 2: know I should have ranked the couples in order of

1200
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 2: how little I was rooting for them. I feel like

1201
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: they are in the upper fifty percent ale for me

1202
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 2: because at least they hate Valentine's Day and love sport.

1203
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: That is more context than we get for a lot

1204
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: of the couples. It's true. I would say the storyline

1205
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: that I simultaneously hated the most and the least. Ooh,

1206
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: for reasons all explain right now. Okay, was the tof

1207
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: for Grace and Anne Hathaway story.

1208
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 2: Oh, that one is brutal. I also just wanted to

1209
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 2: quickly say, because this movie bears a lot of resemblance

1210
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: to He's Just Not That into You, two of the

1211
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 2: same story by credits go to Catherine Fuguet and then

1212
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 2: Abby Cone and Mark Silverstein, who also wrote He's Just

1213
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 2: Not That Into You. So it's all the same. It's

1214
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 2: all the same.

1215
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: Movie, It truly is. Okay, So the Tofer Grace anne

1216
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: Hathaway storyline, the beats are that they've been dating for

1217
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. He does not know at first

1218
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,520
Speaker 1: that she works part time as an adult phone entertainer,

1219
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: he finds out he doesn't like it, and he breaks

1220
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: up with her because of it. Then he realizes his

1221
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: mistake after hearing other characters talk about how when you

1222
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: love someone you have to love all of them, even

1223
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: their gross parts, and so he shows up at Anne

1224
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,520
Speaker 1: Hathaway's apartment to try to win her back, and ultimately

1225
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: it works. The reason I like it or I like

1226
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: kind of what happens here is based on a few

1227
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 1: lines of dialogue where Anne Hathaway says, I feel bad

1228
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: about how you found out about my job. That was awkward,

1229
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: but that's the only thing I'm going to apologize for,

1230
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: implying that she's not going to apologize for doing phone

1231
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: sex work, nor is she going to stop.

1232
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 2: But the big problem is that she then forgives him.

1233
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: I don't because they've been dating for two weeks. Right,

1234
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: get out of there.

1235
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have an easy out.

1236
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 2: He's not a tolerant person. Get out of no's.

1237
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: And she says that, like she says, when you found

1238
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,759
Speaker 1: out something about me that you didn't like, you judged

1239
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: me and bailed, And that's not a promising foundation for

1240
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: a relationship. I feel like that's the most meaningful analysis

1241
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: we get of romance in the entire movie that's otherwise

1242
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: about absolutely nothing, right.

1243
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 2: But that was why I think this is a relationship.

1244
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 2: I kind of hate the most because it's like, it

1245
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 2: gets so close to saying something, but then in the

1246
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 2: next two seconds it undercuts that completely. She's like, yes,

1247
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 2: but I forgive you and I want to make love

1248
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 2: to my boyfriend. I was like, you guys have been

1249
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 2: together for two weeks. Two weeks.

1250
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 1: Well. The reason I hate it so much is because

1251
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: of the implication that he only decides to get back

1252
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: together with her after learning that when you love someone,

1253
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: you have to love the gross parts about them, implying

1254
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: that her doing sex work is one of the gross

1255
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: things about her that he has to learn to love, right,

1256
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: So the whole thing just sucks.

1257
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 2: And then on top of that, I was also frustrated

1258
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 2: by the implication that I mean this felt less actively.

1259
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 2: I don't think that the writers were like actively trying

1260
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 2: to imply this, but because the cultural dismissal of sex

1261
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 2: work is so prevalent that when Anne Hathaway introduces this information,

1262
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 2: first of all, like she's hiding it from people because

1263
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 2: she doesn't want to be judged, which makes sense to

1264
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 2: me to the extent that like, society is very hostile

1265
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: towards sex workers, but it also is implied that she

1266
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 2: is ashamed of it and the only reason that she's

1267
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 2: doing it is because she's in debt, which can be true,

1268
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 2: but again it just felt like a very underthought, like, well,

1269
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 2: the only reason that we are rooting for this character

1270
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 2: is because she doesn't actually want to do this forever,

1271
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 2: Like she just wants to do it until she's out

1272
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 2: of debt and then she'll stop and get a quote

1273
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 2: unquote regular job, which it did seem like what the

1274
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: implication was was like I appreciated that she was unapologetic

1275
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 2: about it and that she's like I'm going to keep

1276
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 2: doing it, like fuck you, I need this job, but

1277
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 2: I feel like it also is like but as soon

1278
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 2: as I don't have to do it, I will not

1279
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: because it's I don't know.

1280
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: It just felt like a very like no, I got

1281
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 1: that too.

1282
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then she says one of the worst lines

1283
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 2: in the movie, which is Sugar can't answer the phone

1284
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 2: right now, she's got to make love to her boyfriend

1285
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: on Valentine's Day, which literally turned my stomach. He also

1286
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 2: so her the thing she's doing in bed at the

1287
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: beginning is taking the scary polaroids he's kept them and

1288
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 2: turns them into a murderer card and like tapes them

1289
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: all on a piece of construction of paper like a

1290
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 2: six year old and is like, take me back. And

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01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 2: I'm just like, he's gotta go, He's gotta go, get

1292
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: him out.

1293
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: All of these people have to go.

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01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm rooting for Anne Hathaway's character. I do think

1295
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 2: that she needs to find another room and Queen Latifa

1296
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: Sports Agency to take the calls.

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01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: Okay, not only is she taking the calls at her

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01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: other job, which like whatever, I've definitely worked, yeah, one

1299
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: job while I was at my other job.

1300
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she gotta be smooth about it.

1301
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: You gotta be smooth about it. And she's not only

1302
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: taking those calls at this office where she works, but

1303
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: she's using the office phone a lot of the time

1304
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: and not her private cell phone.

1305
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 2: And she also is like sort of lightly implied that

1306
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 2: Queen Latifa is like picking up and listen listening, But

1307
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 2: she's just like what Queen Latifa's character. Not only I

1308
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 2: mean we already discussed the fact that I mean, as

1309
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 2: with many of the non white characters in this movie.

1310
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:52,440
Speaker 2: She there's no suggestion or interest in giving her a storyline.

1311
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,799
Speaker 2: I believe she's the only black woman in the movie. Yeah,

1312
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: and they give her nothing. Uh wull they do give

1313
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: her is really weird. She Yeah, she makes a very

1314
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: dated comment about bipolar in her first line, and then

1315
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: everything she says is just kind of like vaguely like

1316
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 2: girl Boss soup talk, where she's like, I have to business.

1317
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 2: My football is gay, Like you're just like what.

1318
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,640
Speaker 1: Also, the thing that they have her say toward the

1319
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: end of the movie, when she takes up a phone

1320
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: call that's intended for Anne Hathaway because it's another phone

1321
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: sex call, Queen Latifa assumes the role of adult phone

1322
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: entertainer and then says something just very racially charged and

1323
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: just icky. And I felt so embarrassed that Queen Latifa

1324
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: had to do that, and.

1325
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 2: That like three white writers put that together. Yeah, I

1326
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: just pray to God that that was like bad prov

1327
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 2: on her part and like not, I don't know, yeah,

1328
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: that was she's given simply nothing to do. I'm like,

1329
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 2: she's I don't know, but I mean, if you look

1330
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 2: at everyone in this movie, the Queen Latifa at this

1331
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: point is Oscar nominated Jamie Fox has an Oscar no

1332
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 2: idea like did he want a boat? We don't know

1333
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 2: who knows why anyone is here? Who else is there?

1334
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,799
Speaker 2: I guess oh, Jennifer Garner, Ashton Kutcher.

1335
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: I feel like some of these storylines aren't even worth Like,

1336
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: I kind.

1337
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 2: Of feel like I have nothing to say about that, right.

1338
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: A lot of my comments are just sort of broader

1339
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: in the sense that, like, for example, the way class

1340
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: is handled in this movie. Every character seems to be

1341
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 1: middle class, upper middle class. Yeah, there's no romance shown

1342
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: between two poor people. That's another thing that's rarely seen

1343
01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 1: in movies in general. Or if there is a poor

1344
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: person who falls in love, it's almost always them getting

1345
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: with a rich person a La Titanic, Allah, Woman's true

1346
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: stories like that, but very rarely do we see a

1347
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: romantic storyline between two characters who are poor and stay poor.

1348
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 2: Now, that's just like that didn't even occur to me,

1349
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 2: because we've covered so many movies like this where you're like, yeah,

1350
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 2: I would have been truly shocked if that it happens.

1351
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 2: The whole movie seems to take place like in West La, Like, yeah,

1352
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 2: it's such a bummer.

1353
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is like this, and I

1354
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 1: get that this is a movie about Valentine's Day, which

1355
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: centers on romantic love, so it's gonna be stories that

1356
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: focus on romantic love, but it's also a very narrow

1357
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: view of romantic love. Again, Like, it would have been

1358
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: very shocking if a movie in twenty ten would have

1359
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: included anything that wasn't you know, a cis hetero monogamous

1360
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: love story. But like, I guess I just want to

1361
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: see more stories where there are romantic storylines between polyamorous

1362
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:13,759
Speaker 1: people kink stuff.

1363
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, where with the furries?

1364
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: Where with the furries? Where are the people who were

1365
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: just kind of dating casually and who just want right

1366
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: a fling or a one night stand or friends with benefits?

1367
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: Like all of these stories are about people who were

1368
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: in very serious, committed relationships or like falling deeply in

1369
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: love and you know stuff like that.

1370
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 2: That was the thought that I had about the Jessica Bale. Yeah,

1371
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 2: like these are all super monogamous relationships. And I feel

1372
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 2: like there was basically no public discourse about anything other

1373
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 2: than monogamous relationships when this movie came out. It's like

1374
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 2: it is pretty bleak that like the way Jessica Biel's

1375
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 2: character is acting, which is like she's like ready for

1376
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 2: Death's sweet Embrace, is like a more plausible character than

1377
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:59,799
Speaker 2: someone who's dating casually. Like it's just like really depressing

1378
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 2: that this person who doesn't exist is put there instead

1379
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 2: of someone who you know very much existed in twenty ten.

1380
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 2: Like it's yeah, but this movie is basically like Hallmark propaganda.

1381
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 2: You know. It's like people don't buy Christmas ornaments for

1382
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: people they're casually dating, so that is useless to Gary's

1383
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 2: goal here. I don't know. I mean, yeah, it is

1384
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 2: like frustrating, but it's also like it' Valentine's Day twenty ten.

1385
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1386
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: So I will say that this movie does appear to

1387
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: try to subvert some things. All of these subversions are

1388
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: very surface level. They go nowhere. Nothing very meaningful is

1389
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: said about any of these things, but I did find it,

1390
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: I guess interesting that, for example, with the Ashton Kutchure

1391
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: Jessica Albo storyline, it is the man who appears to

1392
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: be a hopeless romantic who's gushing about love, and the

1393
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 1: woman who is the more stoic and not so obsessed

1394
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: with romance. Usually you see the opposite in movies, especially

1395
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 1: rom coms.

1396
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 2: I felt that too, but that it was also like

1397
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 2: the way she was talking was so like weird. I

1398
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 2: wish she had just been like I don't love you,

1399
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 2: because it seemed like that was the issue, because I

1400
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 2: felt like the undertone of what she was saying was like,

1401
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 2: I love my career, so I cannot be married, right,

1402
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 2: But that he's like, no, you could be married and

1403
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 2: have a career, which is really brave of him to say.

1404
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: Well feminist icon Ashton Kutcher.

1405
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 2: Right, and he's wearing a pink shirt, which is a

1406
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 2: twenty ten signifier for male feminists. That he's like, well,

1407
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: what do you mean you can have a job and

1408
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 2: be married to me. But then she's sort of instead

1409
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 2: of saying I don't love you, is like no I can't,

1410
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, okay, well whatever, bust of luck

1411
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 2: to her with whatever her jobs, because of course we

1412
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 2: don't know what it is. She is, like, the first

1413
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 2: thing I thought about was my meeting at work, and

1414
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 2: you're like, not your meeting at work.

1415
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: My meeting at my work job.

1416
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 2: I half expected her to show up at Queen Latifa industries,

1417
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 2: but that was not the way it went. For as

1418
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 2: little as we know about this character, I think it

1419
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 2: is pretty awesome that she has a last name, which

1420
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,440
Speaker 2: is Clarkson, Morley.

1421
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: Clarkson, more clark from me.

1422
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 2: Yes, every realm common name. Sounds like your mouth is

1423
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 2: full when you say it, just full of marbles, yeah,

1424
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 2: carom on a hand. Another some version I think is

1425
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 2: the Shirley Maclain Hector Elizonda's story where it's the woman

1426
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 2: who has the affair. I feel like it's more common

1427
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 2: to see a man cheating on his wife in movies. Yes,

1428
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 2: And also it's more common for a man to demand

1429
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: forgiveness and be immediately granted by the other character.

1430
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:52,759
Speaker 1: Very true.

1431
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 2: So girls could do anything including gaslight they're spousal to

1432
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 2: forgiving them for something pretty awful.

1433
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly.

1434
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1435
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 1: Again, this movie does not have the purview to discuss

1436
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: or examine any of these things meaningfully, but it did

1437
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 1: show something which is the opposite of what you might expect.

1438
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 1: I think the last one would be a hyper masculine

1439
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:21,879
Speaker 1: football player is gay and ready to play.

1440
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1441
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 2: That I felt like was a genuine attempt at as

1442
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 2: a version, And we also talked about the flip side

1443
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,520
Speaker 2: of that of like the twist as He's gay happens

1444
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 2: several times in this movie. I don't know. This movie

1445
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 2: got nominated for a number of Teen Choice Awards and Razzies.

1446
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 2: I wanted to single went out because I think the

1447
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 2: Teen Choice Awards and the MTV Movie Awards and all

1448
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 2: of this there's always like a real datedness to not

1449
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 2: even the people nominated, but to the awards themselves. I

1450
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 2: think that there should be, if there isn't already, there

1451
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 2: could be a whole like doctoral thesis written about the

1452
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: empty the award for Best Kiss where so many I mean,

1453
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 2: I cover it in Lolita podcasts, where like a kiss

1454
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 2: from Lolita was nominated for Best Kiss at the MTV

1455
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: Movie Awards. Like, there's just all sorts of shit, but

1456
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 2: the one that stood out to me is not a

1457
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 2: I guess maybe I never watched the Teen Choice Awards.

1458
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 2: I don't really know, but there is a award for

1459
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 2: Choice Movie Colon hissy Fit. This award was given out

1460
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: through twenty eighteen. It has since been discontinued, which is

1461
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: really brave. The me Too movement, You know, it didn't

1462
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 2: do nothing.

1463
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 5: It killed Teen Choice Award for Choice hissy Fit, but

1464
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 5: I just wanted to shout out Jessica Bill was nominated.

1465
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 5: She did not win Choice hissy Fit for a scene

1466
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 5: where she lays on floor, so I just I don't

1467
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 5: know that was such. And then there's of course, Taylor

1468
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 5: Swift and Taylor Lotter were nominated for every kissing award

1469
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 5: there was, and bravely they lost I'm pretty sure to

1470
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 5: Kristen Stewart and Robert Patton. Whoa I know, double Taylor

1471
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 5: Lautner snub brutal. I'm just looking at who's one.

1472
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess at least the hissy Fit Award

1473
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 2: is not just women who are nominated for it, which

1474
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 2: is sort of what I assumed. Oh wow, okay, so

1475
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 2: it's an inclusive all genders could have a hissy fit

1476
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 2: at the Teen Choice Awards. I just want to see

1477
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 2: who she was up against. Okay, So Miley Cyrus actually

1478
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 2: one one Choice hissy fit two years in a row.

1479
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 2: Congratulations to her for what Hannah Montana. She won for

1480
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 2: Handah Montana the movie in nine, and then she won

1481
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,719
Speaker 2: for the last song question Mark in twenty ten.

1482
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,879
Speaker 1: Oh that's one of those. I think it's a Nicholas

1483
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: Sparks adaptation.

1484
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 2: That sounds right. She's tied with Madeline Petch of Riverdale

1485
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 2: for most hissy Fit Awards won. Okay, so that's exciting.

1486
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 2: I just wanted to shout out that baffling award. So yeah,

1487
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 2: Miley Cyrus one Puff Daddy was also nominated for him

1488
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 2: is hissy Fit and get him to the Greek Giovanni

1489
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 2: Vrabisi was nominated for his hissy Fit and Avatar one.

1490
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And Vince Vaughn was nominated for his hissy

1491
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 2: Fit and Couple's Retreat.

1492
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: Wow.

1493
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 2: So you know, when it comes to that now defunct

1494
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 2: a word, I'm sure it was just an honor to

1495
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 2: be nominated.

1496
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 1: I'll go through the remaining things on my what the

1497
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 1: Fuck list? Sure, we've touched on a few of them.

1498
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: The ones we haven't touched on, the whole scene where

1499
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: that teen boy is naked in front of his girlfriend's

1500
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: mom and then runs out into the street while he's

1501
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: still naked. Sure. Emma Roberts tells basically everyone that she

1502
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,759
Speaker 1: comes into contact with that she plans to have sex

1503
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 1: today for the first time. She tells her teacher, she

1504
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: tells the family she babysits for, people who don't necessarily

1505
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 1: need to know. But also I'm glad that she feels open.

1506
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: Kristin Shall gets to know.

1507
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: Oh Shall gets to Also, speaking of Christian Shall, don't

1508
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 1: disrespect her by putting her in the movie and only

1509
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: letting her have two lines. Also, Kathy Bates, don't disrespect

1510
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: Kathy Bates like that, I see.

1511
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 2: I disagree. I think the less you're in this movie,

1512
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 2: the more you are respected.

1513
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 1: Fair. Fair.

1514
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 2: I think Charlie McClain is in this movie too much.

1515
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 2: She's too good to be in this movie as.

1516
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,679
Speaker 1: Much she is too good. What else let's see. Jennifer

1517
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: Garner is an elementary school teacher. She's teaching her young

1518
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: students about protons and electrons. They are supposed to be

1519
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: fifth graders, although some of them look like they're seven.

1520
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's also like a kid who knows about the

1521
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 2: Saint Valentine's Day massacre in Chicago. Yeah, which I was like,

1522
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 2: who told him about that? That's what a prey?

1523
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:58,679
Speaker 1: Cool? Either way, I don't think kids start learning about

1524
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: Adams when they're in fifth grade. I was learning about

1525
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: like nimbus clouds in science class, so that's not tracking.

1526
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 2: I was learning about Valentine's Day and protons in the

1527
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 2: same class.

1528
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: Okay, what else during the Little the little kid's name

1529
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: is Edison, I think whatever. He plays a soccer game.

1530
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: He's distracted because he's so freaking in love with Jennifer Garner.

1531
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 1: And then the ref comes up to him to encourage

1532
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: him to keep playing. Not the coach, but the ref.

1533
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 1: That is not the ref's job.

1534
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even notice that.

1535
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't think the people who wrote this movie understand

1536
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: how a soccer game is played. Final thing. Anne Hathaway

1537
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: wants to be a poet, so she's working for a

1538
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: sports agent because she says she wants to learn the business.

1539
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: As if working for a sports agent is going to

1540
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: help with her poetry career.

1541
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 2: She's a mess, you know. Oh another line I liked,

1542
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 2: call me mister engaged. Sure, there's a moment. This is

1543
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:12,879
Speaker 2: like an attempted, botched, really confusing joke. It's another offensive

1544
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 2: thing that happens at the Ashton Kutcher Flower World. There's

1545
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 2: a woman with a baby in front of a nun

1546
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 2: in line for flowers. She needs to hand the baby

1547
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 2: to someone to hold flowers. Question mark. The nun says,

1548
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 2: I will hold the baby. She says, you should know

1549
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 2: we're Jewish, and I was like, well, so we're gonna

1550
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 2: miss on that joke. And then and wait, good keeps

1551
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 2: going though because the nun is like it's okay, God

1552
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 2: loves everyone or something, and then the baby collaps for

1553
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 2: the nun's tolerance. It's really weird. It's really bizarre. I

1554
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 2: also liked the scene. We mentioned this before, but I

1555
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 2: wrote to some of the lines because Taylor Swift's line

1556
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 2: reads bless her heart. They're just not very good. But

1557
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 2: that scene where she's in the elevator with Jennifer Carter

1558
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 2: and Taylor Swift is like, I have to go to school.

1559
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 2: I have a boyfriend, I live here. I hope to

1560
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 2: get a lot of Valentine's Valentine's Day. Isn't this sweet

1561
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 2: that my boyfriend got me this bear. I have to

1562
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 2: go to school. You're just like she's just talking and

1563
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 2: talking and talking, and it's like supposed to be a joke.

1564
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 2: But it also just feels like it was written by AI.

1565
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 2: This whole movie feels like it was maybe written by AI.

1566
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 1: The one compliment I will pay this movie is the

1567
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: movie does take the time during the press conference where

1568
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 1: Eric Dane says I'm gay and I'm gonna.

1569
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 2: Play thank you for saying it.

1570
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: Of course, the movie does take the time to cut

1571
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: away to a sign language interpreter who is signing during

1572
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:50,759
Speaker 1: Eric Dane's speech. That's I appreciated that because that rarely happens.

1573
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 1: That's rarely shown on screen. You never see that in movies.

1574
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 1: So that's a good point. I was like, Wow, not

1575
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: that that character ever comes back, like the sign interpreter.

1576
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 2: I mean, but I do appreciate that, Like, yeah, that

1577
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 2: that was just like a normalized part of the world.

1578
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 2: That's a good point.

1579
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: Yes.

1580
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:11,959
Speaker 2: I also wanted to shout at the actor who plays Ronnie,

1581
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 2: who is like the love interest of Edison. She is

1582
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 2: now a very successful working actor. She was in one

1583
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 2: of my favorite movies to watch on a plane missing

1584
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 2: Have you seen it? I love a computer movie. I

1585
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 2: love a movie that happens on the computer. She's storm

1586
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 2: Read's best friend.

1587
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: Is that the John Chow and Deborah Messing is also

1588
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 1: their movie.

1589
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 2: No Zion is. Deborah Messing is not in this movie.

1590
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 2: This is the new one It came out last year,

1591
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 2: where Gabrielle Union plays a bomb who goes missing. The

1592
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 2: first one is called Searching. This is missing. It takes

1593
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 2: place in the Searching universe. I don't know why you

1594
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 2: would get confused, but she's also she's also in a

1595
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 2: typical she was in Never Have I Ever, and she

1596
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 2: was in Poker Face. Okay, I feel that I'm too

1597
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 2: old to watch all of those shows, but there's no.

1598
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 1: Such thing as being too old for anything.

1599
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 2: If my sure, I guess what I'm saying is I

1600
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 2: probably won't watch those shows. But it's nice. I feel

1601
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 2: like it's very rare that you see like a character

1602
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 2: actor with one scene who goes on to have it

1603
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 2: seems like a pretty successful career. And she's like only

1604
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 2: in her early mid twenties, So shout out to her

1605
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,879
Speaker 2: nose and her having Frank Zappa on her iPod or whatever.

1606
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:33,879
Speaker 1: Yeap, do you have anything else you'd like to say, Jamie.

1607
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 2: I'd like to say that I'm gay and I'm going

1608
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 2: to play. But that's all I have to say at

1609
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 2: this time. I have an announcement. Uh just it's like

1610
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 2: the raw conviction with which he says the line is

1611
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 2: really awesome. And again, I really do think it's like

1612
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 2: it is a impactful, like cool thing that that character

1613
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:02,440
Speaker 2: is included an out and the even though it's unbelievably

1614
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 2: dated and messy, that the movie is like supportive of him. Yeah,

1615
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 2: and then it's just like that they wrote that line

1616
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 2: down and that's awesome. So yeah, shout out to Eric Dane,

1617
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 2: a man whose face I just can never commit to memory. Yeah,

1618
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 2: the movies he's in this year in twenty ten or

1619
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 2: Valentine's Day and Burlesque, this is like a banterer year

1620
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: for him, being in some of the worst movies of

1621
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 2: our time.

1622
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: Just one last thing on his character. And admittedly I

1623
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 1: did zero research on this, and I know really nothing

1624
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 1: about the NFL. But oh, since that movie came out,

1625
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: I think a number of NFL players have come out

1626
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:44,799
Speaker 1: as gay. And I honestly, again because I did no research,

1627
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 1: don't know what the response to that was from the NFL,

1628
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: from the general public. I simply don't know. But I

1629
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,959
Speaker 1: know that this is a thing and maybe I'll research

1630
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:58,759
Speaker 1: more about it. But because I do not care anything

1631
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,759
Speaker 1: about American football, I didn't bother.

1632
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,639
Speaker 2: I don't think you need to apologize for otisfied. Yeah,

1633
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 2: to the extent that it's like professional football is still

1634
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 2: unbelievably homophobic, and anyone who does come out is even

1635
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 2: if they're accepted by the league, are generally bombarded with

1636
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 2: hate speech from a lot of professional football fans.

1637
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 1: So I'm reading here that I'm a player named Carl

1638
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: Nassib was the NFL's first openly gay player to play

1639
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 1: in a regular season game in twenty twenty one, so

1640
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 1: eleven years after this movie came out.

1641
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 2: So I don't want to like not as mishandled as

1642
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 2: it is, this plot point was a bit ahead of

1643
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 2: its time, and I also wanted to because I guess

1644
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 2: if we have Gray's Anatomy fans listening to this, I

1645
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 2: truly haven't seen in an episode. Sorry. So apparently Eric

1646
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 2: Dane is mixed Steamy to Patrick Dempsey's Make Dreamy, So

1647
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure that in two thousand ten people were like

1648
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 2: mc Stevie and Make Dreamy in the same Anyways, I'm

1649
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 2: sure it's a great show. I haven't watched it and

1650
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 2: I won't in same but that is probably a very

1651
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:13,560
Speaker 2: critical I'm sure that that is like what he was

1652
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 2: most famous for at this time was being he was

1653
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 2: four years deep on mixed steam when he was in

1654
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 2: this movie. So there you go. There you go, I

1655
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:22,759
Speaker 2: have nothing else to say.

1656
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 1: This movie, as we mentioned, does pass the Bechdel test

1657
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: a few times. For example, when Jennifer Garner and Jessica

1658
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 1: Biale talk about the I hate Valentine's Day party.

1659
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it quickly derails.

1660
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 1: Right, It's mostly very small exchanges that are part of

1661
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: larger conversations that don't pass the Bechdel test. Most exchanges

1662
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 1: in the movie are about heterolove and attraction. It's a

1663
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: lot of men and women talking to each other. It's

1664
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 1: a lot of women talking to other women about men,

1665
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: but it's also men talking to each other about women,

1666
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: such as when Ashton Kutcher and George Lopez talk about

1667
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 1: like mushy romantic love. Right, But you don't see very

1668
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 1: much in movies, So I was like, okay.

1669
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 2: Again, would have been helpful if you got to see

1670
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 2: George Lopez's relationship at all until all in silent montage

1671
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,600
Speaker 2: right late in the movie. But yeah, it is. I

1672
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 2: guess you do have like a lot of people in

1673
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:24,719
Speaker 2: this movie that are hopeless romantics of all genders, right,

1674
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 2: or of the two genders that this movie recognizes. Right,

1675
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 2: And then the same is true in the reverse, where

1676
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 2: it's like you have, although it's not quite in the

1677
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 2: same way where I feel like you don't unless there's

1678
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,600
Speaker 2: so many people. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I

1679
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 2: don't think that there's a woman in this movie who

1680
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 2: is like fuck love. You get Jessica Biel being like

1681
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 2: I want love so badly that it's ruining my life

1682
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 2: and I'm laying on the floor, which is quite different.

1683
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: Right, I don't really get Jessica Bile's thing where it's

1684
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 1: like I hate Valentine's Stay so much, not for any

1685
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 1: institutional reasons, it's more because I'm so freaking lonely and pathetic.

1686
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:04,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes no sense.

1687
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 1: And okay, oh I forgot to mention this. When Jennifer

1688
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 1: Garner is describing her friend, who turns out to be

1689
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: Jessica Bile, she's describing her as neurotic and a hot mess.

1690
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: We're like, that's not a nice way to talk about

1691
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 1: your friend.

1692
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, I was like, wow, do you guys

1693
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 2: like each other? Also, how do you guys know each other?

1694
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 1: How does anybody know each other? In this movie?

1695
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 2: They all go to the same plate studio or something like,

1696
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 2: we don't We're not given the reason this movie takes

1697
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 2: place in space, like I don't even know. Yeah, I

1698
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 2: hope that the couple that got married at the Indian

1699
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:46,719
Speaker 2: restaurant sued Jessica Bihl for making such a loud ass

1700
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 2: party about how much they hated love directly facing their wedding.

1701
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: Rude, so rude.

1702
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know this. It's a funny, bad movie.

1703
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 2: Like I would watch this in a group. It feels

1704
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:02,759
Speaker 2: ripe for a drinking game.

1705
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:04,679
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say I would play a drinking

1706
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 1: game to this movie. Yeah, absolutely, But.

1707
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does tactically pass the Bechtel test. I think

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01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 2: it also passes between like Anne Hathaway and Queening Latifa

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01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 2: at some point. But their conversation is so bizarre that

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01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 2: you're like, is this a meaningful exchange of dialogue? Does

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01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 2: a meaningful exchange of dialogue exist in this world? Hard

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01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:26,000
Speaker 2: not say. But what about our metric, which is important.

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01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 1: Our nipple scale where we rate the movie zero two

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01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:33,440
Speaker 1: five nipples based on examining the movie through an intersectional

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01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 1: feminist lens. I'm giving it, as I already foreshadowed negative

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01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 1: five nipples the end.

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01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:44,919
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it half of one nipple actually

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01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 2: for attempting to include gay characters in twenty ten, even

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01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 2: though they do arguably a not good job, horrible job.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the fact that there was even an

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01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 2: attempt that is not openly hateful. It's just laden with stereotypes.

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01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 2: But that's a very very small comfort. But like I

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01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 2: do think that that is something that most movies in

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01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 2: twenty ten had no interest in even attempting. So true,

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01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 2: there you go, there's that and kind of yucky to

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01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:22,679
Speaker 2: everything else. Did I have fun watching it? Was I laughing? Yes?

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01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:26,639
Speaker 1: I mean I was tee heeing quite a bit.

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01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 2: It's fun. It's fun to live in a world where

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01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 2: George Lopez is always outside your door quoting roomy, Sure,

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01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 2: why not?

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01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 1: Sure?

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01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I would have half nipple and I'm going

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01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 2: to give it to Megan Surrey who played Ronnie.

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01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 1: Oh nice, nice. If I had to give anything to anyone,

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01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:50,600
Speaker 1: it would be Kathy Bates. Oh yeah, God, but I

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01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 1: have no nipples to give.

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01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 2: It felt like she that was like community service for

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01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 2: her or something like she like got a speeding ticket

1739
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 2: and then she had to be in Valentine's Day. That

1740
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 2: should be what famous actors have to do when they

1741
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:04,759
Speaker 2: like do a parking violation.

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01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Well, listeners, thank you so much

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01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: for indulging us on this Valentine's Day.

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01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 2: Yes, it's true.

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01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 1: May your holiday be not as pepe poo poo as

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01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: this movie is.

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01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly I wouldn't wish the fate of any

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01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 2: of these characters on any of you. You're welcome. Yeah wow,

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01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 2: And yeah, Caitlin and I will probably what like, drink

1750
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 2: it your last tonight. Yeah, true traditions, tradition.

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Speaker 1: Baby, So thanks for listening. You can follow us on

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