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Speaker 1: There have been some sports governing bodies who have done

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Speaker 2: That's Charlie Gaines, who had to swim against a dude

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Speaker 2: going to play, and the players were like, what, you

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Speaker 2: Jose State. And it's become kind of a game for

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Speaker 2: to decide they need to cover it all the forfeits,

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Speaker 2: but they never mentioned why in any mainstream news story,

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Speaker 3: So Riley Gaines is a co signer of a letter

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Speaker 3: with Jim Desmond, who is the supervisor fifth District of

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Speaker 4: Soon, Jim, how are you, sir?

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Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us, Hey, thanks for having me this morning.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for bringing this up.

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Speaker 2: So, of course, why do you hate? Is my first question?

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Speaker 2: Clearly you're full of eight?

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Speaker 5: All right, No, no, that's full of eight. Just you know,

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Speaker 5: it's unfair competition. I mean this, you know, why even

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Speaker 5: sports and taking it over. It's you know, Riley Gain

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Speaker 5: signed on the letter, as you mentioned, also Peyton McNabb

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Speaker 5: who actually is permanently injured after being spiked in the

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Speaker 5: this is craziness. And you know, like she had said earlier,

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Speaker 3: There are hundreds of medals, championships, scholarships that have been

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Speaker 4: That is absolutely bizarre and obscene.

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Speaker 3: What's the San Diego State's current stance as far as

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Speaker 3: you can tell him, Well, we're playing San Jose State

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, well so far radio silence out of San

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Speaker 5: But haven't heard anything yet. Yeah, we haven't heard anything

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, quite a few teams. Quite a few teams

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, Jim correct me if I'm wrong. Some

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Speaker 5: Well, absolutely, and that hence California, you know, doing that.

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Speaker 3: It's worth saluting some of the really courageous people in

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Speaker 4: This is heading for the Supreme Court and I can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad Joe brought up the laws because I

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Speaker 3: So that's a problem. Right, Elections have consequences. Hey, I

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Speaker 2: We did get this text they could call the game

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Speaker 4: You're incouraging.

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Speaker 3: But San Diego is an epicenter of illegal immigration. What's

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Speaker 3: They just drop them off and essentially say to these

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not good on anyway. I've spent a fair

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Speaker 4: Wow, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Jim Desmond of the fifth District of San Diego County, Jim,

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Speaker 4: We'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 5: Hey, thanks a lot, Jack and Joe appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: If Trump wins, it's going to be in large part

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's ambivalents on the Republican side in the

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Speaker 3: to the battle of a bulge.

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Speaker 2: So you think where the rubber is going to meet

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Speaker 4: You think that's.

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Speaker 3: No, No, it won't be necessary because the eighteen athletes

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Speaker 3: to win that federal law superseding state law and title

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I think the Soups have agreed to look at a case.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember which one this term or maybe next term.

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 3: I'll look that up and get back to you. But

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Speaker 3: it'll be it'll be within the next year, I think.

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Speaker 6: And Clarence Thomas is going to say, does this a

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Speaker 6: female volleyball player have a penis? Yes, your honor. That

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Speaker 4: That could happen.

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Speaker 3: How do you like this instead of the Battle of

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Speaker 3: the bulge, The headline is too many balls on the court.

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Speaker 6: Three balls is too many for volleyball.

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Speaker 4: Exactly. There you go. That's the subhead.

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Speaker 5: Armstrong and Getty