1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Let's get to our guest, David Chow, global market strategist 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: for the Asia Pacific at Investco. So it's a little 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: bit of a peculiar week. I think many thought that 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: we'd see a much bigger sell off in the equity markets. 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: Everybody is sounding barrish. Everybody seems to think that the 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: Fed is Hawcasian is going to stay so for a 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: considerable period of time. The market seems to be saying 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: to them, we've already discounted it. David, what do you think? Well? 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: I think the key question is whether this UM, this 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: relief rally that we've seen in the US UH petle 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: has legs UM and I think that and I think 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: that that would be very contingent on what j Powell 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: says at Jackson poll Um in the coming hours and 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: whether that's reflective of whether we've seen a peak and 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: inflation or not, and whether the US UM is is 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: going to continue to face some recession fears. I'm the 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: mindset that I think that the Fed is going to 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: continue to tighten UH monetary policy UH, and that some 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: of the intercession fears, though are are perhaps some are 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: overblown a bit UM and that the Fed can go. 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: I can't orchestrate a bit of a software when we 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: look at the market action if it is quite priced 23 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: in that we are going to hear a hoki is 24 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: j pal? What do investors focus on next week? Which 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: assets are going to outperform in the aftermath? Well, I 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: think that many in the APAC region are watching closely 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: because previously there there have been muscle memories that rising 28 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: rates and tightening monetary policies and view US would certainly 29 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: UH impair emerging market assets. Now, I think that this 30 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: time around, a pack assets are a lot more insulated 31 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: given the better external fundamentals, which I think that allow 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: APAC policymakers central central bankers to focus perhaps more on 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: domestic conditions. What do you make of the stories that 34 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: we've done down Jones and Bloomberg reporting about UH this 35 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: improvement in talks between US and China fishers on delisting. Well, 36 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: we've been down this road before where there's been both 37 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: positive and negative developments, and and you know, for me 38 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: once um so I would say that I'm still standing 39 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: on the sidelines, especially for a d R S, because 40 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: I think that the risk still remains um but I 41 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: think that the valuations are are pretty compelling me, especially 42 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: for those that think that a deal can be made 43 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: in terms of I guess the concerns about the property 44 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: market in China, though, Is this big infrastructure boost that 45 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: we've seen from authorities going to be enough to turn 46 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: things around? I think it's certainly a start that the 47 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: government is showing um that they are quite um in 48 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: the driver's seat right now when it comes to trying 49 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: to uh provide a floor to the property market. I 50 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: don't think anyone party or support measure will bring a 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: turnaround and restore confidence to home buyers because so far 52 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: we've seen lower mortgage rates haven't really translated into higher 53 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: property sales because of the current lack of confidence in 54 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: large real estate developers and also um lack of confidence 55 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: in the pre sales model. So I think that the 56 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: central government will need to implement perhaps even further and 57 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: more credible measures to ensure that some of these stalled 58 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: projects are completed and delivered to paying households. So, outside 59 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: of China and perhaps Japan, the big story obviously is inflation, 60 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: whether or not it's peaked, and we we had that 61 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: move down in the last data on cp I, But 62 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: can we be sure that we won't see a rebound 63 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: inflation because with natural gas prices this high, and what's 64 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: happening with food, you wonder, well, I think that's a 65 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: good point to make. I think that's perhaps certain components 66 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: of inflation have already peeked. If we look at inventory levels, Um, 67 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: they they're well ox. I think goods um inflation may 68 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: have peaked in the US. Wage prices could be coming 69 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: down UM soon as well. Um, But you're right. I 70 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: think that when it comes to energy, energy prices that 71 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to have come down, but I think it's 72 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: possible that they could re accelerate, especially if there's a 73 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: threat that Russia could be cutting or retailing um. All 74 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: the gas applies to Europe. I wanted to ask them 75 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: more in terms of some of the commodity impacts of 76 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: exporter of countries when you have this bification between stimulus 77 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: from China and the aggressive tiening from the FIT. Sure, 78 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: when we look at the Apack region, certainly UH export 79 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: commodity export oriented economies like Australia and Malite Malaysia, their 80 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: equity markets have actually outperformed the broader Apack region. And 81 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: I think that this additional stimulus from the Chinese government 82 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: should ride a boost both to infrastructure investments and also 83 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: to the house market as well. So I think that 84 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: UM some of the similar should flow through to the 85 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: broader APEC region. What is your single number one conviction 86 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: by at the moment, I would say by Chinese equities. 87 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: They've really given up much of the gains that we 88 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: saw UM earlier over the past couple of months due 89 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: to the reopening from the lockdowns that we saw in 90 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: Shanghai and other places, and I think that there could 91 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: continue to be a risk on in Chinese equities UM 92 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: over the next couple of months, especially as we head 93 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: into the all important Party Congress perhaps in November this year. 94 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: What about Hong Kong, I mean we're looking at, of 95 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: course these take players that I just mentioned in the 96 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: data Chick, but you've still got a lot of concerns 97 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: about Hong Kong's I guess health is a financial hub 98 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: when we're continuing to see it follow the dynamic zero 99 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: policy of China. That's right. I think that UM. I 100 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,559 Speaker 1: think Hong Kong stocks are cheap, but at the same 101 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: time they're not UM. They don't get the benefit of 102 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: loosening monetary policies, for example, like in China, or the 103 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: fiscal stimulus that we're seeing in China as well. So 104 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: I think for Hong Kong stocks, I think a lot 105 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: of that will be contingent on how quickly that they 106 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: can open up. We're seeing some positive signs, but um, 107 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: but perhaps it could take a little while longer. David, 108 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: after the Party Congress, do you think that She Jinping 109 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: doubles down on common prosperity or eases up a little? Well, 110 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,239 Speaker 1: I think that the common prosperity theme has has perhaps 111 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: taken a bit of a break over the past couple 112 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: of months and orders given UH the priority on on 113 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: COVID zero and also on stabilizing the economy. And I 114 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: think perhaps some of these common prosperity measures may have 115 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: been UM may have elicited a few uncertainties regarding some 116 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: of the policies are regarding certain industries. But I do 117 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: think that common prosperity should start reassall perhaps um UM 118 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: next year. How much of a complication for authorities is 119 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: this UAN near a two year low? I mean, yesterday 120 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: we saw some kind of intervention to try and UH 121 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: stem that weakening. You one with the fix yesterday, the 122 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: strongest spires since February. Well, I think that UM, while 123 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: a weaker run, it certainly benefits China's exports, it certainly 124 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: does not instill confidence, I think, in especially for foreign 125 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: investors looking at Chinese assets. And I think that's why 126 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: we saw a stronger fixing UM for the R and B. Now, 127 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: going forward, I think that policy makers will certainly try 128 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: to balance this and UM. I think that the signals 129 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: that they're sending is that they certainly don't want UM. 130 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: They want financial stability heading into that party Congress. So 131 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: let's go back to the big question Fed hawkishness. It's 132 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: a process. If you think it's peaking, you get a 133 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: slowing of interest, eight rises, and then you get a pause, 134 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: and then you finally get them saying the next move 135 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: is down. You don't think we're in that process at 136 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: the moment. I think that the FED is walking a 137 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: very tight line and trying to thread this needle UM. 138 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: And so while financial conditions UM have have improved and 139 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: loosened a bit UM, I think that the FED is 140 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: also watching that closely. That they certainly want to normalize 141 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: monetary policy. They certainly want to uh, you know, contract 142 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: the economy to the extent that inflation comes down. So 143 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: I think that we're in this very tough balance here, David, 144 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: thanks as always, David Child, global market strategist Asia Pacific 145 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: Investco from Hong Kong for us here on Bloomberg Daybreak 146 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: Asia