1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: Ye, Welcome to Friday's edition of Big b k l 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Here on Giants dot Com. Big Blue Kickoff lives with 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: you for the next sixty minutes, taking your phone calls 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: and two zero one five one three hashtag Giants chat 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: on Twitter alongside Jeff Eagles on Lance Meadow, We're gonna 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: be joined by a very special guest here right off 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: the top, and then we'll start to set the stage 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: for rookie Minicamp, as the Giants signed eleven undrafted free agents. 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: But right now we're gonna focus on the Giants fifth 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: round pick for this year's draft, and that is defensive 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: tackle R. J. McIntosh out of Miami. We are now 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: joined by Joel Rodriguez, Miami Football director of player development 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: for the defense. Coach you got, Lance Meadow, I'm sure 14 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: you're very familiar with my partner, Jeff Eagles. Time. How's everything? Yeah, 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, me and Jeffy we we met a few times, 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: I believe, so, yeah, you know a player I was 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: telling there. We actually had breakfast on when Zack was 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: there for his official visits. So that was a good thing. 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: And did we did it? Was? It was? It was 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: a hell of breakfast. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely well, I I 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: and it's funny that you mentioned mentioned Zack. I'm I'm 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: on my way to the airport later on after the 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: show is over to pick him up for for a 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: short little johunt home for ten dades before he's got 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: to come back down there and get back in school 26 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: and start to go to work and you know, get 27 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: things going for next season. So we're excited about that. 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: But we're also excited. I'm more more excited because there's 29 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: what completed the Giants draft was the fact that we 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: had a guy drafted from Miami. That that makes me happy. Joel, 31 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: and I tell you for the guys that the people 32 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: that listen to our show, they know that we talked 33 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: about the Hurricanes all last year. UM, I obviously have 34 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: uh the reason to root for them, Um, but just 35 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: a tad But the fact is is that you know 36 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: to have have have uh this guy McIntosh on the 37 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: team this year. I got to meet him yesterday for 38 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: the first time and I actually said to him, Hey, 39 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: how you doing. He's like good. I said, let's Jeff Eagles. 40 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: He goes. I said, yeah, yeah, my son jax On 41 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: your was your team and he's goes, No way Wow, 42 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: that's the he was so confused about it. He was 43 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: he was just kind of like, wait a second, how 44 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: is this all happening here? You know? So, but it 45 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: was exciting to have him, and yeah, it's amazing. It's 46 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: amazing sometimes you know the things that we you know, 47 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: and nothing worth that much more. I mean, proviously I'm 48 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: on the hero Jeff, but I'm obviosposed to Argens. It's 49 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: amazing sometimes. I think, you know, the the knowledge that 50 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: we take for crame, like, yeah, you know that that 51 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: that that they can you know, curadoso, you know who's 52 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: who and who played here in the past and whatnot, 53 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: and then you know they don't get It's like, how 54 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: do you not know that that Jack is Jeff kidding 55 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: that he played here and so forth. You know, that 56 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: just goes to show you some of the guys are 57 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: oblivious to some of the things they see in the 58 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: hallways that to go into the meetings there in Miami, 59 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: there's all kinds of the pro guys. They have the 60 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: pictures of everybody, you know, the Hall of Fame, all 61 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I guess it doesn't really matter 62 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: to the younger generation. And actually, my boss Don's Burnt 63 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: uh Sprewing told me, Jeff, don't worry about it. There's 64 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people on this team that don't even 65 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: know who Michael Strahan is, so don't worry about that. 66 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, okay, if they don't know who Michael strahand, 67 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: not gonna know who I am. Anyways, they they think 68 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: straight and just just just some time to hit on TV. 69 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: Hadn't argue that day he was a great player at 70 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: one point. It's it's funny. I'll tell what it's. It's 71 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: the funny thing is I had a similar experience than 72 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: that that I'm was anywhere near a players as you 73 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: were here, Jeff. I mean I played here from two 74 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: thousand oh four one a national title, and you know, 75 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: I had a shorter nass on everything, and I was 76 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: our star middle linebacker shock Quterman won an award for 77 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: you know something recently locally here. I had to drive 78 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: him to the work ceremony and we're driving. At one 79 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: point he saw like something like horror, whatnot some a 80 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: piece of of you know. Mabili like, hey, like, well 81 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: you played here, and I was like, dude, I was 82 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: like yeah, wait, You're like wait, back in the day, comar, like, 83 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: what's going on here? You know, Like, and this is 84 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: guy I've talked to me there the last three years. 85 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: It's crazy. He really is well real quickly, I to 86 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: add to that, I was when I was in with 87 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: I think I might have been with the ego to 88 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. So I went to play Green Bay and 89 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: um and Winston Moss was on the team there. Okay, um, 90 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: so he played for Actually he was a coach. And 91 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: I walked up to Winston and I I said to him, Hey, Winston, 92 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: how are you doing? He goes, good Man, how you doing? 93 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: I go, dude, you don't know who I am? Do you? 94 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: He goes man, I do? And I'm sorry. I'm like, 95 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Fegez. I wish your teammate at Miami. Dude, 96 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: He's like he had I was the punter. He had 97 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: no idea who I was. I'm like, wow, okay, so 98 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: I guess we did. You know, the punters, the kickers. 99 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: We really did stay away from all the rest of 100 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: the team. And now that really defines it that we 101 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: really did stay away. The guys don't even know who 102 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: the heck I was. I was on the team with them. Well, 103 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: Jeff you were that memorable. Oh my god, unbelievable. So 104 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: talk about memorable, it's really upload of the ego, it's 105 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: really bad. I think we got to do some better 106 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: coordination at these Miami alumni events or something. Well, we're 107 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: getting there, we're getting there. As a little bit more 108 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: at the two of you, Well, let's get to the 109 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: top of that. Head coach and r J McIntosh. You 110 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: you've had the opportunity to see up close a personal 111 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: what are the Giants getting out of a young defensive 112 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: lineman like that? I think what you're getting is a 113 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: very very moldible, but very very talented piece of play. 114 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: You know, r J is first of all, as a person, 115 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: he's a phenomenal human being. He's a great young man. 116 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: He comes from a great family. Has he's been He's 117 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: been well raised, he's been well taught, well schooled. Um 118 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know all all the kids. You 119 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: know he's he's got a couple of siblings and they've 120 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: all got a college. They've all been well in school. Uh, 121 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: they're very intelligent, you know. So, so he's gonna be 122 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: a cerebral player, will take the coaching, he'll listen, he'll 123 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: learn or he'll try and do whatever. However the coaches 124 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: you know, um, you know, some time to do something. 125 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: But what's exciting. I think what's most exciting about r J. 126 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: And I think why you know, there was a buzz 127 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: about him, you know, towards the end of his his 128 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: last year here and obviously going to the draft process, 129 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: was that there was still so so much room between 130 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: where he was currently playing and where his ceiling was 131 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: in a big products because he hasn't really played the 132 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: position that long. You know, r J was a was 133 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: a big time basketball prospect in high school. And r 134 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: J was a guy that we all I mean locally, 135 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: um and in state. I think we all need a 136 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: bud r J. Because he's a big kid at a 137 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: decent at a pretty good pal program in Carlo Gibbons 138 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: and for a latter dale. But he was not a 139 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: national name because when when a lot of these guys 140 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: are going to you know, the Nike openings and under 141 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: armed combines all over the country, r J was missing 142 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: those since when he was playing AU basketball. So he 143 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: wasn't a national you know name on the recruiting scene, 144 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: but he was definitely a very high here marked name, 145 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: you know, for for for in state prospects in Florida. So, 146 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: but he didn't play a ton of the line in 147 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: high school. It was really a tight end that played 148 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: the dabble in some D line And then you know, 149 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: when he first got here, he didn't read shirt. His 150 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: first year he played, but he probably played I would say, 151 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: less than fifty snaps of defense as a true rushman, 152 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: play a lot of you know, punch cover stuff and 153 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: and and and k R stuff. So really his sophomore year, 154 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: which is two thousand and sixteen, was his first true 155 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: season practicing and playing defensive line as as a true 156 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: defensive lineman. So the kid who has really only played 157 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: D line for two years, um so and to be 158 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: to be that big, that's it gonna be that productive 159 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: with that little bit of of background at the position. 160 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: I think it's exciting to think that, you know, okay, well, 161 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, if if a great coach and a great 162 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: you know and and and great a great team like 163 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: the Giants get their hand on him, what can this 164 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: kid be through two or three or four or five 165 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: years fro Now that's exciting part about it? Well, I 166 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: think what's exciting about it? And it's gonna be you know, 167 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to wait and see. But you know, 168 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: him coming from a four or three going to a 169 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: three four, talking little bit about how you thinking that 170 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: he can adjust to that, um playing that position, and um, 171 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, how do you think he'll do with that? 172 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: You know, I think that actually probably suits him better, 173 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: to be honestly, I think r J is probably more 174 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: of I mean, if you're if you're gonna draw prototypical 175 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: size speed length ratios for a three four defensive event 176 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: is supposed to fourth free free technique, I think r 177 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: J kind of leads more towards the three four defensive end, 178 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: right because he's he's he's gonna be big enough to 179 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: take on double teams some a tackle height end combination, right, uh, 180 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: which which is what a five steam you gonna do 181 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: for a living obviously in the three four uh, And 182 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: then he's gonna but you also don't have to second 183 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: lappens a lot of times. Why so many teams scope 184 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: from three four for three on third down is because 185 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: a lot of those three four defensive ends are kind 186 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: of bigger, heavier footed, you know, kind of two gaping 187 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: rush stoppers that don't give you a ton of production 188 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: and and and pass rush on early downs. I think 189 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: with r J. I think he's truly a three down 190 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: prospect on the line. He can play the three four 191 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: defensive end, holds up in the run game, hold a 192 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: point obviously in two gaps, and he's shown the ability 193 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: over two years to get definitely you know, if you're 194 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: there moving slant and one gap him, he's definitely in 195 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: the backfield. And cost of having is a penetration and 196 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: and and screw up some run games stuff as far 197 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: as that goes. And then on top of that, once 198 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: he reads out of the run and sees his pass 199 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: on early down or if he's you know, line up 200 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: a regard on third down in your sub package, I 201 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: think he's gonna give a lot of into your office 202 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: linements or problems because he's got such fluid hits and 203 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: he's got such high level movement skills, you know, for 204 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: a young defensive lineman. We're talking with Joel Rodriguez, Miami's 205 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: football director of player development for defense, talking about Giants 206 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: fifth round pick r J McIntosh. And you know, when 207 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: you look at his numbers over the course of his career, 208 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, not a huge sample size because 209 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: he hasn't been playing that long, but five and a 210 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: half sacks, how much of an upside coach do you 211 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: think he has in terms of breads developing into a 212 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: consistent pass rusher in addition to what you talked about 213 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: his ability to stop the run well and and and unfortunately, 214 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: some of the biggest impact that r J had as 215 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: a pass rusher doesn't show up on the stat line 216 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: because a lot of times what he gave us was 217 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: that initial push up in the back of up in 218 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: the pocket where you know he wasn't clean, but he 219 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: was pushed a guard or etching a center and hitting 220 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, a hand or your orders of this destruction 221 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: in that quarterback space. And nowadays you're talking not so 222 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: much about not that you don't want to the quarterback obviously, 223 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: but you hear the phrase, you know, affect the quarterback 224 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: more sol at the quarterback because a lot of times 225 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: you can affect them a negative way that necessarily hiting 226 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: him right, getting him off spot, making him scramble, and 227 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: get him off his first read. So a lot of 228 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: a lot of the valuable stuff they've argent did for 229 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: us as a pass rusher, or maybe getting penetration up 230 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: in the pocket and then forcing the quarterback office spot 231 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: to the right or left and that and that walked 232 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: that quarterback into a sack some one of our defensive 233 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: one of our blitzing linebackers orever or maybe the other 234 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: d tackle that was in there. You know. So you know, 235 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: although he only had five and a half sacks, I 236 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: would adventure say, I mean, if you went back into 237 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: the film, you probably had four or five times that 238 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: many four by disruptions season or did he um? I know, 239 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: coming reading a little bit about when after the season 240 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: was over, of his decision to come out as a junior, 241 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure that you know, coach Rick and the defensive 242 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: and Manny and those guys would have loved to have 243 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: him back for a senior season. Do you think he 244 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: would would he he made the right move coming out 245 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: UM as a junior or do you think that maybe 246 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: he would have maybe been that third or second round 247 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: draft pick if he had stayed another year? Well, I mean, obviously, selfishly, 248 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, we wanted him back, you know, and and 249 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: and honestly we thought that in our program, we are 250 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: thought processes. If you're not going to be a first 251 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: or high level second round pick, then why not come 252 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: back and be that guy the following year, you know. So, 253 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: so we definitely wanted to come back because if he 254 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: because and honestly he was he was, he probably would 255 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: have been traffic even higher as an under class And 256 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: had he not got sick. He got sick and lost 257 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: about fifteen or fifteen towns or so during the draft process. 258 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: He got like a thigh board thing and couldn't eatn 259 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: Conna Howe who had it lost with ten pounds or 260 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: right around the combined time. So so that obviously that 261 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: affected his his his raft stock because office all of 262 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: a sudden, he's not too nineties to seven or something, 263 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: you know. Um, but you know the name and necessaries 264 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: that this was what his track was. But the name 265 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: that I kept hearing in Fromparison to r J in 266 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: terms of like the jump he could make from this 267 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: year to next year had he come back was Bradley Chubb. 268 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: A lot of scouts that scout our school, obviously most 269 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: NFL team scout might region, so a lot of our 270 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: Southeast scouts that scouts South Florida also go visit. And 271 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: he stayed and watched those guys practice, and not that 272 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: they thought that r J might pit top five picks 273 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: next year, although he had the ability to do so, probably, 274 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: but they but they were saying, if Braley Chump had 275 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: come out last year, he would have been, depending on 276 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, how he tested and whatnot, a second or 277 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: third round pig. And he came back and really played, 278 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: had a phenoenal a year and played himself to be 279 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: a top ten pick. They saw similar a similar ascension 280 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: possibility for r J, where you know, he's a four 281 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: di freth round pick this year, he could have jumped 282 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: up two rounds have been a second round or even 283 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: gobe a late round first pick. How do you come back? 284 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: Obviously coming back part of it is also the production 285 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: what Brouley Chumping had just come back and become a 286 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: top two pick. He dominated games as a pastor this year, 287 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, and that's obviously what Argold have having had 288 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: to have done. But he has the ability to do so. 289 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean there's definitely you know, you should 290 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: argue that, you know, he left some money on the table, 291 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: but at the same time, he's now a year closer 292 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: to getting that you know, covided second contract. You know, 293 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: if he gets hurt this year, he's obviously he's to 294 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: get hurting. You know, he would be in college. So 295 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: there so there's some back of forth that you can 296 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: be arguing to eat away and went to eat away, 297 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: you know reality. You know, it's interesting you brought up 298 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: NC staying and the Giants actually drafted Bradley Chubb's teammate 299 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: b J. Hill earlier in the draft, and you know 300 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: you mentioned a little bit about r J as an individual. 301 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: How do you think he's going to embrace the fact 302 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: that he's got a fellow young defensive lineman that he'll 303 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: be competing with in b J. Hill, And he's got 304 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: veterans in front of him in Snacks Harrison as well 305 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: as Dalvin Tomlinson out of Alabama. How much of a 306 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: competitive fire did you see in him during his tenure 307 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: at Miami. I think he's gonna I think he's gonna 308 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: be a little bit sponge. He'll try and learn as 309 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: much as he possibly can from everyone around the Gears, veterans, 310 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: other rookies, you know. Um and but but I'll say this, 311 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: when when our staff turned over, uh and our news 312 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: staff out here, and we got your points in sixteen season, 313 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: so the spring of Archie had not really played it 314 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: down a meaningful defensive blind. We didn't know if he 315 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: was an end or at tackle, you know, I mean, 316 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: we didn't know what we had with r j um 317 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: And in all reality, I don't know that he was 318 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: a service the favorite to win the starting or one 319 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: of the starting the tackle jobs because we had returning 320 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: guys that had played a lot more artually had to 321 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: have a bit more productive They have more experience, and 322 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: because of his competitive fire, because of how good employer 323 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: he was out town he was, and also how well 324 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: he listened to apply to when he was being taught 325 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: two practice reps into game reps, he won the job, 326 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: and not only job, separated himself from the fact pretty 327 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: pretty concisely. So I'd be surprised if we didn't see 328 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: something similar to that once, you know, he gets his 329 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: feet wet in training camp up there in New York. Well, 330 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: I think it's always important, you know, when you have 331 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: these rookies that come in and they are there the 332 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: man or there you know, they're starters in in college. Uh, 333 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: they get a little bit humbled, But sometimes they don't 334 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: get a little bit humbled, and they think that they 335 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: can be all that. And I think that the character 336 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: issues that you find with a lot of these players 337 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: are issues. But I don't think it's gonna be an 338 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: issue with Mr Macintosh here. And I think that he's 339 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: gonna have a great future here as long as he's is. 340 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: If he's anything that that do all that you have 341 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: talked about him, he's gonna be finding he'll fit in well. Um. 342 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: The Giants are an organization where they really depend on 343 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: high character guys, smart guys, guys that are workers. Dave Getleman, 344 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: the new general manager here, has has has defined the 345 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: guys that he wants in the locker room is the 346 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: guys that hate to lose, you know, and in Miami 347 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: has that mentality of of hating to lose. We know that. 348 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: But they also want guys that have are of high 349 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: character and have um book smarts, not along and along 350 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: with game smarts and on the field stuff. So he 351 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: will fit in here perfectly. And we wish him the 352 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: best of luck and it is sure surely nice to 353 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: have him. And again I love the Miami pick. We've 354 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: gotta have that. That that assures me that the draft 355 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: was successful. So um, and then one other thing I 356 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, Joel so I was telling uh, 357 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: Lance my part they're here, um. And by the way, 358 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: Lanton I do the pre and the post game show 359 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: together for the Giants all year, so he truly is 360 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: my partner, UM, and he has followed the Hurricanes very closely. 361 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: Now that Zack is on the team, tell us a 362 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: little bit about this turnover change and how you how 363 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: you fit into the equation with opening and closing that 364 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: that that case, and I just wanted because I've never 365 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: heard it, so I'd like to hear it from you. Well, 366 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: the whole thing started back in I forget if it 367 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: was right before right either it was right before training 368 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: camp started, maybe during training camp. And one of the 369 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: things that we identified as an issue, UM that helps 370 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: us back to being more successful, we said on defense 371 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: in was you know, yeah, we were great against We 372 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: took us to run, did some good things you know 373 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: in the in the past rush game and pass trumpers 374 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: or whatnot, but we did not capitalize on turners. We 375 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: didn't four stuff turnovers, we didn't the ball in the times, 376 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: we didn't get our hand on the balls four stumbles 377 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: or receptions or tip balls or it was and obviously 378 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, like anything else, right, if you get guys 379 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: excited about doing things, then it becomes a sections, right, 380 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: So we wanted to get our guys decided about like 381 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: for example, like when we first took over in we 382 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: had to revamp the defense and get him excite about 383 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: tacking again, and we change where we tackle. We did 384 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: the rugby tackle with the Seahawks are doing and coach 385 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: Das is kind of a grew with that now and 386 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: we got our defense excited about tapping again, which wasn't 387 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: the case before. So how do we take that in 388 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: kind of not process. It's the turnovers and and you 389 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: know we other teams have, you know, the championship belts 390 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: and other props they used. But you know, we wanted 391 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: to be like kind of spoke to our program, our fans, 392 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: our players know every since Miamis having Miamis, it's its 393 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: own thing. It really is that for people that haven't 394 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: been around enough, it's it's very unique because we're a 395 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: pro sports town that has fallen in love with this 396 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: college program. But it's but most of our fans aren't lungs. 397 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't attend the university. Um, they're just 398 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: Miami fans, right, So there's a certain swagger and a 399 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: certain kind of field to South Florida, and I'm a 400 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: native south Lutistie feel the same way. So how do 401 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: we kind of like get buying from our players, from 402 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: our fans and just kind of so we kind of 403 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: were brainstorming in a different staff from and actually our 404 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach Mike who also played at Miami sous of 405 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: South Florida guy at the day of how about a 406 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: big acts chain, you know, and it was it was 407 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: kind of laughed at at first, but the more we 408 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: kind of started kind of like brainstorm and stoopball in 409 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: the idea around and kind of adding to it, but 410 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: that that'd be pretty cool as you have a really big, gaudy, 411 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: like you know, human link chain with with with stones 412 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: and colors, and you know what it would it be 413 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: to you? Would it be a football, would it be 414 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, a helmet? Would it be you know? So, 415 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: and then we're luckily for us, we have a Ja 416 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: the Jeweler down here who's kind of a famous jeweler 417 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: to you know, to pro athletes and and and music 418 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: musicians and actors and whatnot. And we kind of he's 419 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: been a the supporter of the fan and and and 420 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: and our players the past, and we kind of he 421 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: designed it for us and and the whole nine, so 422 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: we it's funny to be carried around. And it's like 423 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: small little briefcase. It's almost and it's almost like a 424 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: like like, uh, it's really coach uh humidifier? Really what 425 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: it is? But it looks like a little tone case almost, 426 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: and and and the first time we we we finally 427 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: got our hands on it and saw it as a 428 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: d staff maybe like a day or two, three days 429 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: before the opening, and we're like, oh my god, this 430 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: is it is this it's it's so so much it's perfect, right, 431 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: So we hold it in this case and we have 432 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: one of our last defensive meetings before we hit the 433 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: bus to go play, but it's been in the opener 434 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: and Coach Diaz brings this case into the into the 435 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: defensive meeting room and the players like, what the hell 436 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: is Like what it's gonna shot? Just like what's that 437 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: mean right now? And he opens the and he opens 438 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: the care eats and literally it's like pulp fixture like 439 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: gold glow and the priefcase that no one knows what 440 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: it is. That's kind of what it looked like from 441 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: the from the back of the room, and the players 442 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: in the front row can see it right away and 443 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: they all start jumping up and down streaming it open 444 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: hollar and then everyone else stands up and runs a 445 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: round and they want to see what it is, you know, 446 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: and he explains something that you know, whoever brings the 447 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: ball back after a turnover is going to get to 448 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: where the chain and in a big deal. And it's 449 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: funny because the guys were so amped up for it. 450 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: If you go back and watch that with New Cookman Game, 451 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: we actually dropped two interceptions like some of the round 452 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: of foursemble like we we we left three turnovers in 453 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: the first half of the first three horders on the 454 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: field and and we're running back and forth and everyone's 455 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: all excited. Came with the chain of came out and 456 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: then finally we get an interception in the fourth quarter 457 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: I think was really young put the person reception and 458 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: uh and the and that's when the chain kind of 459 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: made it its national appearance. And then it kind of 460 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: obviously when you played the defensive good players, you get 461 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: more a lot of turnovers and it kind of grew 462 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: like wildfire from that point Now, how did we decided 463 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: that I'd be the one that would grab That's what 464 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: I want to throw it on. Really it was like, okay, well, 465 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: like who are our staff is freed up enough that 466 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: when that happens can run over to the back of 467 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: the day. I got you. Okay, there we go without 468 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: having to be above the sub packages or hitting guys 469 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: on the field or carding whatever. So it's almost more 470 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: of a process of elimination, you know what I mean. 471 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: And I am happy to say that I will not 472 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: be doing it this year, but we do have someone 473 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: who with them okay special, but we'll be doing it. 474 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: But I'll wait until the fall to let that kind 475 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: of be. So the turnout, the turnover chain is coming back, right, 476 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: So that's what I've been told that the Shane is back. Nay, 477 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: the same parameters, just just the person. The person who's 478 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: delivering it will be different, thank god. So there's turnover 479 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: with respect to who is it change change, That's okay. 480 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm just yeah, I'm just glad all that you broke 481 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: the news here on Giants dot car How about this 482 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: development forget what we do here, that's what we do 483 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: and as you can tell Joel is like any time 484 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: I can get my little time in for Miami, I do, 485 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: I do, and they all hate it, but I I 486 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: give you, give me an inch, I take a yard, right, 487 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: So that's okay. I'm gonna get it all in. But 488 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: but that's that's the beauty about it is that we've 489 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: got a we've got a hurricane on the on the 490 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: giants this year, and and he's gonna do well for us. 491 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: And we appreciate you spending some time with us this morning, 492 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: and and good luck with recruiting and all that good 493 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: stuff and the best luck to the to the hurricanes 494 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: that Joel, I'll see you down there. Uh when I 495 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: see you, absolutely, and Joel. The only thing I'll add 496 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: is the next time jeffs down there, just make sure 497 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: we lay out the red carpet and give him top 498 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: notch in terms of breakfast, the whole nine yards. Okay, 499 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: that's I just want to make sure I'm fine with 500 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: sitting back and just yeah, it's okay. What we'll do 501 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: is is is like we have a were a big 502 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: time cover as the campus. We have a little doncier 503 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: with a headshot everything with information. Okay, make sure everyone 504 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 1: in the staff and everyone in the building knows who 505 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: the person is, whose mom is, who's the conversation. Our 506 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: players know exactly that way. Again, I like to hear 507 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: that I'm just I'm more importantly, I'm just hoping that 508 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: Zack's teammates know who he is. That would be more 509 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: important to me at this point. That'd be a step 510 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: in the right right. I forget about his dad. I 511 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: just want to take care of Zac and he knows 512 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: that the other guys in the team know who he is. 513 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: Just make sure you know who's giving you a favorable 514 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: field position that well. Joel Rodriguez, Miami Football, Director of 515 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: Player Development for the Defense. Joel greatly appreciate the time 516 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: of the inside. Thanks for having a few good lasts 517 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: with us. Okay, thank you. You got it all right. 518 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: So there is a look at r. J McIntosh and 519 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: what he'll bring to the table as well. And I'm 520 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: excited about Themi Miami football. I think that he's going 521 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: to fit into that three four defense. I think it'll 522 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: be fine. Um, he's remember remember, uh, there was the 523 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: first game that I really had noticed him, Like I 524 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: mean really noticed, like and Joel was talking about he 525 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: doesn't get credit for a lot of the statistics, but 526 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: being pressure on getting in the backfield, he has got 527 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: a very quick first step off the ball. Okay, so 528 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 1: as a defensive and or even an interior defensive linement, um, 529 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: playing a three technique in the three ports, that's a 530 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: great thing for you to have. He's got that and 531 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: so that's gonna be very valuable for him. Um. It 532 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: was in a noted Dame game is when when I 533 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: when I had name, when I had really had sexual 534 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: is this guy. And it was up against Clinton Nelson. 535 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: So he played against you know, against him that game, 536 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: and then there was a couple other games. In fact, 537 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if any of you saw it, but um, 538 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: one of the one of the great highlights for macintosh 539 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: was that he he ended up getting getting one of 540 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: his five sacks, I guess, and he had the player's 541 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: leg was there and he was playing it like a banjo. 542 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: Remember that. Actually that was that was that was McIntosh. 543 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: So um. But you know, more importantly, he talked about 544 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: the good family. He comes from a good worker, a 545 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: good character. Those are the kind of guys that Dave 546 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: Gentleman wants on this team. And you look from start 547 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: to finish at this draft, you go through him, they're 548 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,959 Speaker 1: all there. You got se Kawan Barkley starting leading it off. 549 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean, what you couldn't ask for a better talent, 550 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: a better guy. You know, he checks all the boxes. 551 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: And I think that that's one thing that Dave Gentleman 552 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: tried to do with this draft, and he certainly got 553 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: it with with DJ. So it's good. Well, it reminds 554 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: me of Jeff a few drafts ago. Remember all the 555 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: Giants were drafting were captains, team captain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 556 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: Everybody had experience in terms of leadership, and part of 557 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: the mindset was that you'll have your strong presence correct 558 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: and it doesn't always turn out that way, but that 559 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: was at least the mindset. So you can see there's 560 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: a similar theme in terms of this year's draft class. 561 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: I think what's impressive is when we look at some 562 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: of these star prospects from big time schools like Miami, 563 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: you think that, you know, these players are coming in 564 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: with decades worth of the experience, and then what you 565 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: hear from what Joel said, I mean, r J is 566 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: barely tapped into his potential we're talking about. I mean 567 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: he started all thirteen games in each of the last 568 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: two seasons. Freshman year he only played in five. As 569 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: Joel said, he was mainly a special teamer. So I 570 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: mean you're talking about it's still a very small sample 571 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: size for him, a lot of a lot of upside, 572 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: a lot a lot to learn, and and for a 573 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: guy that if you say that, you know, he started 574 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: his freshman year and he played three full seasons and 575 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: he played a two technique tackle, and then he's coming 576 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: into a three or four defense. Maybe that might not 577 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: be as good, but now because he hasn't played all 578 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: that much, it's not going to be that big of 579 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: an adjustment. Obviously, he's very very athletic. If he played 580 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: tight in and he's a basketball player and that kind 581 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: of stuff, he's very very athletic. That's the type of 582 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: player you want in this defensive a guy like this 583 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: that can just go, you know, and rush surpasser and 584 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: makes him play. So it's important. It'll be good for him, absolutely. 585 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: And in high school they even used him as the 586 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: quarterback on goal line play, so that just speaks volues 587 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: of his versatility. Not that he's coming into a place 588 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: Eli Manning, but just wanted to throw that little tidbit 589 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: at all right, we'll gonna get to some of the 590 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: undrafted free agents that the Giants signed. The Levin in 591 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: total as rookie minicamp gets underweight today. But let's open 592 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: up the phone lines. I know a lot of you 593 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: have been waiting patiently. Two zero one, five one three. 594 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: Jason is in Maine. He gets us going. How's everything, Jason? Hey, guys, 595 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: how's it going good? How are you happy Friday? Yes, 596 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: you too. Uh, That's pretty much what I wanted to ask. Well, 597 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: there are two things. But the first thing was just 598 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: out of those fourteen players, I wonder if there's any 599 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: of them that stick out to you guys, like, do 600 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: you think that some of those players maybe you expected 601 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: them to be drafted and weren't. Do you think there's 602 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: some dark horses there for us? Well, I'm gonna defer 603 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: to uh to Lance on this one. These guys went 604 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: through you know a lot of these guys before the draft. 605 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: I mean, they were here a lot more than I was. Um. 606 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: One guy that I did see and I'm just looking 607 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: on here this wide receiver from Bethune Cookman when Miami 608 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: actually played Butuom Cookman last year the first game of 609 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: the season, Um, I had I had went to that 610 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: game and um, their quarterback and this guy they they 611 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: were there was something else this receiver. So I mean, 612 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: this guy might be a guy and we're talking about 613 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of depth. If I look at this 614 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: offense for the Giants, there's there's a lot of still 615 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: a lot of questions in my mind to be asked 616 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: other than Odell Beckham. I mean when you and maybe 617 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: uh Eli Manning, but really there is some questions to 618 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: ask about a Beli Manning. Okay, but so at depth 619 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: a wide receiver is one of them. They gotta have 620 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: some guys some depth there. So maybe this guy, Um, 621 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: what did Jeal Davis? Is that his name? Yeah? From 622 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: from but Thoom Cookman. Listen for all of you, don't 623 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: all the guys that are here. It's could be very 624 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: difficult for any of these guys to make the team. 625 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: They're here to to to impress somebody, especially in this 626 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: in this little mini camp that they have going. But 627 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: more importantly, when they leave this mini camp, if you 628 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: do well in this mini camp is when you will 629 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: be invited back to go into the O. T A 630 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: S and into training camp. Other than that, then these 631 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: guys they'll they'll go on and they'll just be, you know, 632 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: trying to fill a spot somewhere else. So it's very 633 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: important in here. But Lands maybe you might know some 634 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: some other guys in here that I don't know. Well. 635 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: The other guy that I'll throw out that jumps out 636 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: to me is Tyler Howell, the tackle out of Missouri. 637 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, he's six a three hundred pounds, 638 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: so that jumps off immediately. But what people I think 639 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily realize because Missouri has been a notable school here, 640 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: or they're depending on some of the defensive players, but 641 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: they were very good as an offensive line in terms 642 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: of giving up the least amount of tackles for a 643 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: loss in the nation we're talking about. And he was 644 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: the anchor at the left tackle spot. And you know, 645 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: I think the Giants are still looking for players that 646 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: could potentially move over to the right to compete for 647 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: the starting right tackle job as well as provide depth 648 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: at left tackle. So he, to me, is a player 649 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: that I find the most intriguing of these eleven that 650 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: they signed, because I think there's a legitimate shot that 651 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: he could very well come in compete make a name 652 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: for himself and perhaps compete for a roster spot. So 653 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: that would be one of the names. Are Nick and 654 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm classes on six out of Nebraska started all thirty 655 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: five games in which you played before designed to join 656 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: the NFL. There's a guy with durability, size, big come, 657 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: big programs, something that might be some guy that you 658 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: looked at that could possibly be added to the roster 659 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: for some depth and compete in training camp. So um, yeah, 660 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: so there's there, there's a lot of a lot of 661 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, these are the guys that they signed, um recently. 662 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: I know you said there was fourteen and were aware 663 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: that eleven of them have been signed. I don't know 664 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: if three rookies were signed. So I believe Jason that's 665 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: what you're referring to, fourteen in total, meeting three drafted 666 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: rookies and then eleven undrafted free agent. So that's how 667 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: he got the fourteen perfect Okay, I'm wondering too, like 668 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: how does that do they get a good amount of 669 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: time to look at these guys, Like there's so many 670 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,239 Speaker 1: guys to look at. Do they do they actually get 671 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: to play in the pads at times? And are there 672 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: are the giant scouts still going to be watching the 673 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: practices or is it up to the coaches? Now who 674 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: comes on? How does that all work? Well, it's if 675 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: they're not in pads. Um, they're they're you know, they're 676 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: barely they're out there in helmets and running around and 677 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, but uh, there's no contact in these things. 678 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: It's just the way that the c BA has its 679 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: set up. But yeah, they are, they're getting to watch them. 680 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: And more importantly, there's a lot of evaluation going on 681 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: behind the scenes other than what's just on the field. 682 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: These coaches are trying to they're getting a small sample 683 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: of a playbook. They're being asked to learn the place. 684 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: They're being asked to go to meetings, apply what we're 685 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: giving you in meetings and then take it out to 686 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: the football field and see how you can can correlate 687 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: and go back and forth. That's one thing they're looking 688 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: They're looking at how these guys are you know, in 689 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: in meetings and how are they're paying attention and now 690 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: they're on time. There's all kinds of stuff that to 691 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: go into this um. But bottom line when it all 692 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: comes down to it, to be honest with you, is 693 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: can the guy make plays? Can you play football. Is 694 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: he fast enough, does he have the skill set to 695 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: play his position? If if he does, then he's got 696 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: a chance. The fact of the matter is, people, is 697 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: that this is a very very hard game to get into, 698 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: and you've got to be really really good to make it. 699 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: And most of these guys that are here, unfortunately aren't 700 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: gonna make it. But I will tell you that I 701 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: played twenty two years in the NFL. I was one 702 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: of these guys. I came into rookie minicamp and I 703 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: ended up making it. A guy like rich soybert Um, 704 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: There's there are people that will that can make it. 705 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: It's just a matter of being in the right place 706 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: at the right time and then showing up and and 707 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: being good at what you do. Yeah, I would agree 708 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: with with Jeff there in terms of the opportunity to 709 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: really show your physicality over rookie minicamp is limited. So 710 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: it's really the smarts and the classroom stuff that I 711 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: think enables some of these players to stand out. And 712 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: the other thing, Jason, remember, you know, as far as 713 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: the scouting department, the coaching staff, they gotta put together 714 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: a practice squad once they finalized the fifty three man roster, 715 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: and they also need to stay on top of players 716 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: because when injuries occurred during the season, you may pick 717 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: up the phone immediately and say, hey, you know what, 718 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: we remember seeing him in rookie minicamp. We may now 719 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: want to boost him up to the practice squad or 720 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: perhaps give him a shot on the roster. So you're 721 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: always evaluating players, even if the chain of them making 722 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: the fifty three are extremely slin That's why they bring 723 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: in players to try out every week, usually on Tuesdays 724 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 1: after during the regular season. They just want to keep 725 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: up the short list exactly. And let me tell you 726 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: last year they went pretty far down on that list 727 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: because I mean you look at the last three games 728 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: of the season last year, the flip card on game day, 729 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: we had no idea who was who these people were? 730 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: I mean number Remember I was slickings plans. Who who 731 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: is this guy? May think listing the inactives I remember 732 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: for those last few games was not necessarily something I 733 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: was looking forward. Yes, Okay, well, thank you very much, guys, 734 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much for 735 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: weighing in. All right, let's head back to the lines. 736 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: We've got Marco in Connecticut. Marco, what's happening? Hey, guys? 737 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: How worried today? Very well, Marco? What do you got? 738 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: All right? Good? Good to be with you. I have 739 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: two questions, um. One question is about Will Hernandez. I 740 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: wanted to get your just your quick take on this. 741 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: Do you guys have any concern I know, second round pick, 742 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: great player. I was pumped up to get him. I 743 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 1: didn't think he would be there in the second round. 744 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: But do you have any concerned that, like we're really 745 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: counting on him to be uh a great player right 746 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: off from the start, and for him to come from 747 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: a program like you tip where they didn't win a 748 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: game and he's going to come into this big hute spotlight. 749 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: What do you think that transition is gonna look like 750 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: for him? I mean, is he a raw player? Um? 751 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 1: Because I've I've read some comparison to like Chris Kneed 752 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: not only tears of the draft pick but also or 753 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: the draft slot, but type of player. But I mean 754 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: sneaking from such a big program and he seemed to 755 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: be technically super sound. So I mean, how technical is 756 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: this guy? And do you think he can make that jump? 757 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: I believe he can make the jump. I don't believe 758 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: that they would have drafted him where they did if 759 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: they didn't think he could ride away, because there this 760 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: is a need pick. This was a definite need pick. Um. 761 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: There is a lot to learn. But one good thing 762 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: about drafting a guard, as you you have help on 763 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: both sides of you. And I think that it's a 764 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: little bit different than drafting the left tackle or a 765 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: right tackle for that matter, is that he can kind 766 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: of get a little bit of help from that tackle 767 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,919 Speaker 1: position in the center position. Um, the uh coach Hunter, 768 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 1: who is the offensive line coach here, uh, great, great 769 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: coach is gonna be able to work with this young man. 770 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: He's a maler and he's a kind of guy that 771 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: David Dave Gellman wanted. And I think his size sometimes 772 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: will be able to get him through some things that 773 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: then he needs to work on. But he he'll be fine. 774 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,439 Speaker 1: He's going to be a starter. Yeah, I would agree 775 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: with Jeff. The other thing that I'll add, Marco is 776 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: you know you throughout the fact that he did go 777 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: oh in thirteen with you, tep I personally would think 778 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: it's much more challenging for a player who comes from 779 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: a lot of winning and then all of a sudden, 780 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: you go to a team where now it's a wake 781 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: up call, like last season where a lot of these 782 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: college prospects, you know, they were with winning programs and 783 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: now you only win three games. That to me is 784 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: more of a route awakening than a player who hasn't 785 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: really won much of anything and now he's going into 786 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: a new culture. I don't think that's gonna be an 787 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: issue because when Dave Gentleman spoke to the media, if 788 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: you remember after they made the pick, one of the 789 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: things they said that jumped out to them about Will 790 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: Hernandez was twelfth game of the season. Game of the season. 791 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: How much motivation do you think those type players had 792 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: to go out there. It's basically, let's just go through it. 793 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: Let's finish up the season, right. And Gentleman said, what 794 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: the scouts and he saw was a guy that was 795 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: still going. He just was competing as if it was 796 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: the championship game. He loved that at that point. And 797 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: look and look what look what that did for him. 798 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: It got him to be a second round draft page 799 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: the high second round, which was basically, you know, almost 800 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: a first round because the Giants picked him with the 801 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 1: second overall pick in the second round. Yeah, good point. No, thanks, guys, 802 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I've been curious about that because I 803 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: am is super excited about him. He's probably like one 804 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: of my favorite players in the class. But just kind 805 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: of had that like lingering thought, Um, all right, next 806 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: question is about the league itself, and I know you 807 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: both are kind of in tune on what's going on 808 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: around the league, Like a lot of rosters are are 809 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: pretty much set now after free agency in the draft. 810 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the NFC and I think the Giants 811 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: are going, like no doubt, are going to be better 812 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: than three wins what they were last year, and some 813 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: of the projections were like six wins. I think Vegas 814 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: had them at like six and a half. I think 815 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna be better than that. But if we're talking 816 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: about like win now and even getting in the playoffs, 817 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: you're really looking at anywhere between nine and maybe twelve games, right, 818 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: they have to win like eleven games doesn't always guarantee 819 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: depending on the division. But if I'm looking at the NFCS, 820 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,479 Speaker 1: I just went through this when I was on hold, 821 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: there's like seven teams I think that you can make 822 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: a legit case that they could win the Super Bowl. 823 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: And seven teams, right, I went through like Green Bay, Minnesota, Atlanta, Carolina, 824 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,800 Speaker 1: New Orleans, the Eagles, the Rams. That's seven good teams. 825 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about the Giants. I'm like, man, who's 826 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: the team that that we all think that are going 827 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: to be a really good contender? Like people thought the 828 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: Giants were gonna be a contender last year, and they 829 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 1: sell apart. Who's the team that's gonna that we think 830 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: are going to be a contender that are going to 831 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: drop back and and have a team like the Giants 832 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: kind of surged through because there's other teams you can 833 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: make arguments for that are going to be in playoff 834 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: contention that I didn't enlist. Um, it's really difficult, man. 835 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: In the end, there's a lot of depth that the Giants. 836 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: The Giants pone has their own challenges. Well to your point, listen, 837 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: the wild card team you needed ten wins to get 838 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,760 Speaker 1: a wild card last year, that was the Atlanta Fountains. 839 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: So if you needed ten last year and all the 840 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: teams you named, I don't disagree with you. I think 841 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 1: they're all coming back pretty much just as strong, if 842 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: not better. Than they were last season. But you know, 843 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: here's the other factor, Marco, that we can't overlook. Somebody's 844 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: gonna suffer injuries that we never expected, and it could 845 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: very well be one of those seven teams, and all 846 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: of a sudden, that dropped a team off because if 847 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: you don't have it overwhelming him out of depth, and 848 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: the Giants were tested in this department last season. It's 849 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: hard to sustain consistency from one game to another. So 850 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: it happens every year. Somebody's gonna be struck by the 851 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: injury bug, and it's probably gonna be a team that 852 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: we never anticipated and we're gonna realize. You know, now 853 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: they got to replace a guy on the defensive line. 854 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: Now they gotta replace a corner, and there's a significant 855 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,439 Speaker 1: drop off when you remove a pro bowler from the mix. 856 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 1: So that's the one thing that always tends to happen. 857 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: And I guarantee you there's gonna be a team that's 858 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: gonna fall in that category. Well. A perfect example that 859 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: is the Packers last year and Rogers, so you know 860 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: that that could they were they were contended to write 861 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: to come off and then all of a sudden, he 862 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: gets hurt and so you know, injuries are all part 863 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: of the game, and they unexpectedly happened. When I look 864 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: at this nfcast, I think that every single team had 865 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: got better. I think the Eagles, listen, even though they 866 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't think they got worse. I mean, they got 867 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,439 Speaker 1: a lot of guys coming back, they lost some guys. 868 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is this division all 869 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: and all got better, and it's gonna be a beat up, 870 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: beat up each team league this year. So will you know, 871 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: will ten or eleven wins take the division this year? 872 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 1: Probably in my opinion, you know. I mean, look at 873 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: Philadelphia wanted with thirteen last year, the next closest with 874 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: Dallas at nine. They were four games ahead of the Cowboys. 875 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: I don't think And Jeff, Jeff, just just to your point, 876 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: and I'll jump off after this. Think about Dallas if 877 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: they don't lose Zeke Galliott for four games and and 878 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: and you have so you'll have Zeke right now. Let's 879 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: let's put injuries to the side. You have Zeke coming 880 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: back for a full season, and potentially I hear Carson 881 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: Wentz is doing much better and Eagles went on and 882 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: one without him, so well, happy to him. Anyway, Yeah, 883 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: thinking about thanks guys, Marco appreciate the phone. This division 884 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: always beats each other up, So I don't think this 885 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 1: year is gonna be unique. And here's the other thing, Jeff. 886 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 1: The Redskins decide they don't want to resign Kirk Cousins, 887 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: they don't want to give him a long term deal, 888 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: and they wind up replacing him with another established veteran 889 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: and Alex Smith. So you can't think that is even 890 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 1: gonna be a significant drop off with Washington, given the 891 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: fact that they're bringing in a quarterback that's been in 892 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 1: a variety of situations and he's been able to thrive 893 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: when he's had talent around him, which I think the 894 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: red Skins will provide him. And like I said, you know, 895 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott's gonna be he's healthy, he's gonna be playing again. 896 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: And and don't forget the Giants. They were a bad 897 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: team last year, but they were very, very they they 898 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: were hurt. That team was decimated with injuries last year. Um, 899 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 1: and you just if these guys can come back healthy, 900 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 1: there's gonna be injuries again. We know that, but the 901 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: fact is they could be a lot better than three 902 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: three wins. And you know six and a half. Vegas 903 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: has him at six and a half. I don't know, 904 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a that's a low number in 905 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: my opinion. But I think that there's a little skepticism 906 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: there because new coaching staff, you know that what's the 907 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: deal with Eli, you know, and all that kind of stuff. 908 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: So we'll see how bad the defense was. And and 909 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: I will tell you that James betcher Um, the more 910 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: I I talked to him about his defense, the more 911 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: I get excited about how he's gonna plug and play 912 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: these guys. It's not gonna be at every single day. 913 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,479 Speaker 1: You're gonna these guys are gonna come on the field 914 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: and you're gonna be like, well, there they are. They're 915 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: in that three four defense again, and they're that saying, 916 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, he changes it. He's like 917 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: a chameleon. So his whole idea is to get the 918 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: guys in the right positions and match up. So every 919 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: game is gonna be a little bit different. And I 920 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 1: think you're gonna be excited about this defense. The offense 921 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,879 Speaker 1: just has to play better, has to be consistent, has 922 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: to shut you know no more, try to cut down 923 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: on the turnovers. Eli has gotta have a little bit 924 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: more protection. You gotta get O. B J on the field, 925 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: and you got to get some of these other receivers 926 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: that catch the freaking ball. Last year, how many drops 927 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: to the receivers for the Giants half good god, it 928 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: was every game, Oh my gosh, and then the penalty. 929 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 1: So a lot of stuff to build on. But that's 930 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: what Pat Shermer's here for the new coach. I think 931 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the new coaching. One thing that Pat 932 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: Shermer did is we all know is he went out 933 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: and hired a staff of veteran coaches. These are a 934 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,320 Speaker 1: lot of guys that have been around a while that 935 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: know how to coach, and hopefully that will rub off 936 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 1: onto this team coming up. Well, speaking of Shermer, he 937 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: actually addressed the media before we came on, and I 938 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 1: know Marco are last caller brought up Will Hernandez. He 939 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 1: made it clear that Will Hernandez gonna start at left guard, 940 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: which is where he primarily played in college, but they 941 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 1: do plan on giving him some looks at right guard. 942 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 1: Now if they do plan on emphasizing the left guard 943 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: position for him, Patrick o'mama, who they signed in free 944 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: agency from Jacksonville. He was the left guard last year, 945 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: but he started his career right, so they're gonna be interchanged. 946 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: That both of those spots are to start. It appears 947 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: they're gonna focus primarily at the left guard spot for 948 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,800 Speaker 1: Will Hernandez. That's at least what's gonna happen in the 949 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 1: early stages. And I am still a little bit up 950 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: in the air with the right tackle position. I think 951 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: everybody is. Yeah, I I I kind of seem to 952 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: think that the right tackle for the Giants isn't here yet. Interesting, Um, well, 953 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: you figure before you go into that Eric Flowers, Chad Wheeler, 954 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: Adam Businesvati, that to me is the trio of competition, 955 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,959 Speaker 1: unless obviously some of these other undrafted tackles, which I said, 956 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: Howell from Missouri for example, maybe he emerges. But those 957 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 1: are your three that you and I and I didn't 958 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: And this was just a pure guest out of me 959 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: and I just for some reason that you get ton 960 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: of this little feelings sometimes then you know, and I 961 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: have to go back and look at who some of 962 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: these higher priced tackles are in the league that maybe 963 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: could be coming after June one. You know, some of 964 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: these guys that, Um, yeah, I don't know that they 965 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: become available. You say, I just don't have unless you 966 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: want to, unless you want to roll the dice with 967 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,800 Speaker 1: one of those young young guys with wheeler and business body? 968 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,919 Speaker 1: Did I say his name right? Perfectly? Holy smoked? Gonna 969 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,320 Speaker 1: be a great year. If you can handle business Body, 970 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: then I gotta work on the new guy's name. The 971 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: free agents we signed. But you just said his name. 972 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna butcher it now. But the card, No, no, no, 973 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: that the guy from Seattle. Oh mommy, Oh mommy, you're 974 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: talking about Patrick from Yeah, I'm gonna say something that 975 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: might hurt me later. And but it sounds like a 976 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 1: mom a. It does, it does, but it's just mom as. 977 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 1: It's just oh mommy. Think you could hand I mean, 978 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: this is not like an I will but your names. Man. 979 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 1: I could open up my own shop and put your 980 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,359 Speaker 1: those things that people would be coming for him. I'm 981 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,320 Speaker 1: telling you right now that I'm gonna get a variety 982 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: of different formations when it comes to days before we 983 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: get back to the phone lines at two zero three. 984 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 1: And this was something you were hitting on earlier. I 985 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,919 Speaker 1: recently did a radio in through and I was asked 986 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: this question, and I'm curious your perspective because it relates 987 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: to what we were just talking about. If you looked 988 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: at the Giants, because everybody wants to determine or they 989 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,399 Speaker 1: a six win team a seven win team, they were 990 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: three and thirteen last year. They were eleven and five 991 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 1: two years ago. And somebody asked me, well, if you 992 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: look at the Giants, which are they closer to. Are 993 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 1: they closer to the eleven and five? Are they closer 994 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: to the three and thirteen? Now? My answer was, if 995 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: you go back and you look at that eleven and 996 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: five team, Jeff, remember how many games did they win 997 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: by their chinny chin chin and how many games the 998 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: defense went for? That correct exactly. So not to take 999 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: anything away from that eleven and five season is as 1000 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: Bill Parcel says, hey, you are what your record is. 1001 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 1: But I didn't think that was a dominant eleven and five. Mean, 1002 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: it could have easily been eight and eight, could have 1003 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: been seven and nine. So I said, I always thought 1004 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: this team was pretty much in the middle of those 1005 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: two records. I don't think they're that close to eleven 1006 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,960 Speaker 1: and five, and I don't think they're extremely close to 1007 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,839 Speaker 1: three and thirteen, because think about all the close games 1008 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: they played before all the injuries. Said in right in 1009 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: Week five against the Chargers, you know, if they're fully healthy, 1010 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're going to run away with a 1011 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: playoff berth, but you figure they're good enough to be 1012 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: that five hundred type of teams. So that's where my 1013 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: feeling has always been. Even after the eleven and five season. 1014 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 1: I think it's more in that seven eight win barometer 1015 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 1: as opposed to the two extremes. Well, I think that 1016 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: the Vegas line is giving you six and a half, 1017 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: So that's kind of which there. I mean, it's going 1018 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit on the low side, but I 1019 00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: still about and I would say that they're closer to 1020 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,399 Speaker 1: the to the to the less than the than the more. Um. 1021 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: And I think that that number is, you know, is 1022 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,800 Speaker 1: gonna be if I I think it's gonna be, you know, 1023 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: right at the seven and a half to eight eight 1024 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 1: mark in my opinion, um, in order for them and 1025 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: I'll say this, in order for them to get over 1026 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,799 Speaker 1: the seven. Nobody wins seven and a half games, by 1027 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,800 Speaker 1: the way, but my fact is just for betting purpose. 1028 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 1: But I think that if to get to get to 1029 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: that over eight games, there's gonna have a couple of 1030 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: things gonna have to happen. Number One, first and foremost, 1031 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: Eli has got to play well. Okay, I think that 1032 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: That's the first thing in my mind. Okay, Um. Number two, 1033 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: the health of this team has has to continue to 1034 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: get better and it cannot be decimated like it did 1035 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: last year. Okay, to win to get over the eight games. Um. 1036 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: The other one is is I think that that se 1037 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: Quon Barkley okay, um, and some of these other younger players. 1038 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm gonna put Oh b J in there. 1039 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 1: These guys have got a We gotta get O b 1040 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: J in the field. He's gonna have to be on 1041 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: He's gonna have to be on the field and stay 1042 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: on the field. They can get over eight game that 1043 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: those things can happen. Number two. Two biggest things for 1044 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: me is Eli Manning and the health of this team. No, 1045 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: I think those are fair. I would agree. I'd take 1046 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 1: it just a step further. Where my two X factors 1047 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: are the run game. I mean, there has to be 1048 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: been addressed. There has to be consistency. I'm not talking 1049 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: about a flash yet every week, about every week you 1050 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,680 Speaker 1: go in, Hey, we know we can get this on paper. 1051 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: That has to be I think that when you look 1052 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: at the dynamics of this roster and what Dave Government 1053 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,719 Speaker 1: has done, it pretty much is writing right saying to 1054 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 1: you that we are going to commit to the run. 1055 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna play the run. We got we we we've 1056 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 1: got two Nate Solder and we've got Will Hernandez, the 1057 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 1: second round draft pick, and we pent the number two 1058 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,760 Speaker 1: pick in the NFL draft on the running back. Okay, 1059 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna run the football, and we're gonna run it 1060 00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,319 Speaker 1: with number twenty six, say Kwon Barkley, and we're gonna 1061 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: make you stop him. And when you stop him, would 1062 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: just go to oh b j Or we'll go to 1063 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 1: the other guys. Okay, and we'll go to to Ingram. 1064 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: A lot of other opportunities there in the in the 1065 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 1: in the in the offensive game plan, but you gotta 1066 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: be able to run the football first. And that's just 1067 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 1: NFL football. One oh one. Run the football. And then 1068 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,759 Speaker 1: the other thing I'll let is something in your own backyard. 1069 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: I take special teams. Oh my goodness, you know, we 1070 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have enough time to talk about that. 1071 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: But the fact is, yes, this is it's very important 1072 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,840 Speaker 1: that this team was horrendous last year, and and and 1073 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 1: and because the bottom line with special teams guys, is 1074 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 1: that you have if your team is healthy, your your 1075 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: players can play on special teams that that are that 1076 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,879 Speaker 1: are that they're there every week. When you have guys 1077 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 1: that are not healthy and you're taking guys out the 1078 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: practice squad, these guys they don't know how to play 1079 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,759 Speaker 1: special teams. They really don't, and they're the ones that 1080 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,800 Speaker 1: you're playing. Tom Quinton was was taking guys basically in 1081 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,280 Speaker 1: a UPS uniform and bringing them in here and asking 1082 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: they'll cover kickoffs. He did know how to cover kickoffs. 1083 00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it was. It was very bad situation. 1084 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 1: But that has to get better. And the kicking game 1085 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: definitely need the punting game, and uh, you know, they 1086 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,839 Speaker 1: go out and get the kid from Denver and then 1087 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,000 Speaker 1: and then Aldrich Ross. He's going to have to have 1088 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: a you know, a sophomore season to come out and 1089 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,239 Speaker 1: do well. I mean, you can't. If there's ever a 1090 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,839 Speaker 1: year for him to miss field goals. It was last year. 1091 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 1: It was kind of a you know, the the whole 1092 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 1: season was a lot. It was just but now he's 1093 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: gonna have to come out and prove himself again. Let's 1094 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 1: head back to lines tuser one five, one three. Chris 1095 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:35,240 Speaker 1: is in Syracuse. Chris, what's happening the UM? I wanted 1096 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: to talk to Jeff specifically because earlier on the off season, 1097 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: if I was understanding what I was hearing correctly, UM, 1098 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,520 Speaker 1: it seemed like you were pretty adamant that you thought 1099 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: Eli would be gone in two thousand nineteen. UM, And 1100 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: I was just curious. I've been wanting to talk to 1101 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 1: you for a while about that. If you were looking 1102 00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,560 Speaker 1: at cap situation and the big contracts that coming up, 1103 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 1: and that's why you were thinking of that, and then 1104 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 1: have your opinions on that changed since the draft. If 1105 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,800 Speaker 1: Eli plays well next year, UM, I guess I'm just 1106 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 1: kind of looking for sure. Well, I got that, I'm 1107 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm the nineteen. That the number is is, I'm Eli 1108 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,279 Speaker 1: has to play. It's one of it. It's one year 1109 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,200 Speaker 1: at a time for Eli Manning, and I think that 1110 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 1: that he will play better this year. The whole thing 1111 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,759 Speaker 1: with the salary cap, you can create money somehow, some ways, 1112 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,480 Speaker 1: you always can. You got ovie, You've got a lot 1113 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,800 Speaker 1: of these other guys that you can restructure contracts with 1114 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,879 Speaker 1: and things like that, so that if Eli did play 1115 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,719 Speaker 1: well and you hope he does, and that they bring 1116 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,279 Speaker 1: him back for a two thousand nineteen which is which 1117 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:44,920 Speaker 1: is by the way, I think that's his last year 1118 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,799 Speaker 1: of his contract. Um, then then you you you could 1119 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,719 Speaker 1: be okay, okay, but it's a one year trial here 1120 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,879 Speaker 1: with Eli Manning. In my opinion, I think that they've 1121 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,360 Speaker 1: got these two quarterbacks now with with Davis Webb and Loletta, 1122 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 1: that they're gonna let these guys impete and see what 1123 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,360 Speaker 1: they can do. Um. But for the Giants fan, you 1124 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,520 Speaker 1: hope that Eli Manning continues to play well because you 1125 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,640 Speaker 1: got the money to pay him. Um. But I do 1126 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: think that there is a way to find money if 1127 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,320 Speaker 1: you have to. In one being for but listen that 1128 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,800 Speaker 1: number one three is gonna have a lot of a 1129 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: lot to say about this coming up with the money 1130 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 1: and the Giants. If we've all we've been reading and stuff, 1131 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, there's really no pressing issues. He's under contract 1132 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 1: and they have to he has to play, you know, 1133 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,919 Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens there. Hopefully that answers your question. 1134 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know that that kind of clears 1135 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 1: up where you're where you were thinking. I guess I'm 1136 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that you I look back to like two 1137 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,320 Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen and he threw yards thirty five touchdowns. 1138 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: I don't think he's that far removed from that. I 1139 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,719 Speaker 1: look at like foals and if you look at like 1140 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,600 Speaker 1: when he went to the Rams, it was a disaster. 1141 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: When he went to Kansas City, nothing happened. I think 1142 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,920 Speaker 1: that there's a lot to do with team and scheme 1143 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,360 Speaker 1: and I you know, and That's where I'm at with you. 1144 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm really hoping because if not, then uh if if, 1145 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 1: if he is actually struggling and is more in decline 1146 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,640 Speaker 1: than I think he is, it would show up even 1147 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,239 Speaker 1: more this year, assuming everybody stays healthy and everything. And 1148 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,879 Speaker 1: one quick thing I want to say for our help, 1149 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 1: who's the corner that kind of came out of nowhere 1150 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,120 Speaker 1: last year and was doing pretty well at the end 1151 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,360 Speaker 1: of the season. That Dixon? No, Well, I think I 1152 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 1: think we have Ross Cockrell, maybe the guy that you're 1153 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 1: referring to, the one they acquired from the Steelers, right, No, Cockroll, 1154 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,160 Speaker 1: it was the guy he would one on one with 1155 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,480 Speaker 1: Dez late in the season. Um, I'd have to go 1156 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,560 Speaker 1: back and look, really, yeah, I'm not sure he won't 1157 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 1: one on one with Does when we played the Cowboys. 1158 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 1: He is he still on the roster though in your 1159 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 1: mind they've had a lot of turnover. That's that Dixon guy. 1160 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 1: I'm not sure like you guys are saying that, Yeah, 1161 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: Brandon Dixon is still on the roster. So I mean 1162 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,560 Speaker 1: you could very well be referring to that. You may 1163 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,400 Speaker 1: not be wrong. It's just the one guy that jumps 1164 00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,440 Speaker 1: out to me is Ross Cockrell. If you were to 1165 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,839 Speaker 1: ask me who do who do I think played most 1166 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,279 Speaker 1: consistently at the cornerback position? Conquerable to me tops the list. 1167 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 1: You know, Dixon I thought had his flashes, But he 1168 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,759 Speaker 1: may be the guy that you refer to against Denz. 1169 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,320 Speaker 1: I have to go back and I think it is. 1170 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 1: I think it's Brandon Dixon that you're talking about. Yeah, 1171 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 1: and who is this guy? Is that guy? I mean, 1172 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,800 Speaker 1: he's been around a while. He's a second year player 1173 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,520 Speaker 1: from North Missouri State, Northwest Missouri, south West Missouri State, 1174 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:29,319 Speaker 1: A very young he could listen. The thing about him 1175 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,080 Speaker 1: is he's got a leg up because you know, he 1176 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,840 Speaker 1: was with the team last year. I understand it's a 1177 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: new coaching staff, but you know he's gone up against 1178 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,440 Speaker 1: some of these guys in practice, so I wouldn't dismiss 1179 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,680 Speaker 1: him from the mix. They're looking for depth in that department, 1180 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,799 Speaker 1: Well they certainly got it. They got about thirty five. 1181 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,160 Speaker 1: It seems like they signed a quarter every single day. 1182 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,319 Speaker 1: But you know what, speaking of that, and we're gonna 1183 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,920 Speaker 1: let you go on that, No, Chris appreciated thanks so 1184 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,759 Speaker 1: much away and everybody's trying to determine, well, you know 1185 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,040 Speaker 1: who's gonna be that third corner pack because you know 1186 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,160 Speaker 1: you have generous Jenkins and you hope that Elie Apple 1187 00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,279 Speaker 1: bounces back with DRC not in the mix to me, 1188 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,399 Speaker 1: William Gay, who they signed in the All season, Jeff, 1189 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about a player that's been in the league 1190 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,000 Speaker 1: twelve years. Everybody else is not even close. So if 1191 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,600 Speaker 1: you're looking for a front runner, William Gay, I mean 1192 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,359 Speaker 1: he's got to be looking around the room right now. 1193 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,800 Speaker 1: And I mean he could be their father that that's 1194 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,840 Speaker 1: how much more experience he had. He can play and 1195 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,960 Speaker 1: he can't. He's been he's been with the Steelers a 1196 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,239 Speaker 1: variety of different situations. He's with the cutters a little 1197 00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,560 Speaker 1: bit polished. Vet also can play in the slot, which 1198 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,880 Speaker 1: is to me where they need a guy, considering DRC 1199 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,040 Speaker 1: is not here. I mean, that is the guy that 1200 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm banking on that's gonna win that job, I would imagine. 1201 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:39,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, um, he's he's got all the experience. Okay, Um, 1202 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,279 Speaker 1: And what I what I think that he's here for, 1203 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,560 Speaker 1: is that what happens if he all of a sudden 1204 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,279 Speaker 1: slides into the number two corner spot and Apple takes 1205 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,440 Speaker 1: a step back into the third corner. So you know, 1206 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,400 Speaker 1: I think you can you being a starter if if 1207 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,320 Speaker 1: he worked into it by by default probably, but you know, 1208 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,279 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens there. No, I I think you 1209 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,600 Speaker 1: bring up an exit point. I'd even add to it, Jeff, 1210 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,719 Speaker 1: if game moves to the second spot, and that maybe 1211 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,600 Speaker 1: means they're not as confident, somebody gets hurt. I'm more interesting. 1212 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,320 Speaker 1: See who's the fourth coiner? Yeah, that's the guy that's 1213 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,480 Speaker 1: a bigger that to me is bigger than the third. 1214 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,960 Speaker 1: I think Gate couldn't. I mean, we could go through 1215 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,800 Speaker 1: and look at the cornerbacks here, and he's got a 1216 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,040 Speaker 1: variety of guys. I mean, choose whoever you want. Curtis 1217 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 1: Riley was edited in free agency from Tennessee. B. W. 1218 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,840 Speaker 1: Webb is another free agent they had. He didn't even 1219 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,520 Speaker 1: play in the league. I mean he was on a team. 1220 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,840 Speaker 1: Excuse me, he didn't get in at the cornerbacks. About 1221 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,800 Speaker 1: Teddy Williams former Panther, it's got ties to Dave Gentleman. 1222 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,640 Speaker 1: You know that's another option. So you know they brought 1223 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,800 Speaker 1: in bodies. But the question is until we see them 1224 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,920 Speaker 1: on the field and action, who's been showcasing subconsistency? So 1225 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 1: that's the big thing. All right. I want to squeeze 1226 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,800 Speaker 1: in one more phone call here and matt is Pete 1227 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,440 Speaker 1: on Staten Island. Pete, what's happening Pete? Hey guys, how 1228 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 1: are you doing well? Pete? What do you got for us? Uh? 1229 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk well about a couple of things. First, 1230 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 1: Jeff Um, time to talk to you. You're welcome. Um. 1231 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,160 Speaker 1: First thing, let me ask your question, Jeff Um, will 1232 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:13,120 Speaker 1: you and Argue gonna be helping with whoever the new 1233 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,880 Speaker 1: putter might be this year? Both? Well? Will I are 1234 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,840 Speaker 1: want enough out with bred Wingle you might have I 1235 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,120 Speaker 1: didn't do about it. But oh I I do I 1236 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,000 Speaker 1: help out with all of them. It's whether they actually 1237 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,680 Speaker 1: listen to me is another thing. Okay, all right? And 1238 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,200 Speaker 1: my other thing is, uh, you know when I don't 1239 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,240 Speaker 1: know why wouldn't listen to you, Adam get I mean 1240 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,080 Speaker 1: either I don't get it that. That's just stunning to 1241 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,880 Speaker 1: me as well. I don't know why they wouldn't listen 1242 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,080 Speaker 1: to Jeff. Yes, I have no idea, but a lot 1243 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,280 Speaker 1: of them don't trust me. Okay. And the second thing is, 1244 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you're reading a lot of stuff, and 1245 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,000 Speaker 1: the other day I was reading with Harry Carson, you know, say, 1246 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,920 Speaker 1: talking about se Quan and he expects him, uh, he 1247 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,640 Speaker 1: expects him to be a Hall of Fame player. And 1248 00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:02,120 Speaker 1: Jesus God almighty, how much brushes bo getting ready? You 1249 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,520 Speaker 1: know how much pressure is on every first round draft? 1250 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,360 Speaker 1: Every first round draft pick is going to have that 1251 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,919 Speaker 1: type of pressure, Pete. So I think that if there's 1252 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,320 Speaker 1: you have to look at the person and I think, 1253 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,840 Speaker 1: of of of all the guys, he probably can handle it. 1254 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,919 Speaker 1: I mean, he's this, this, the guy is this an 1255 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: amazing athlete, is an amazing player, and I think he 1256 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,200 Speaker 1: has got a good head on his shoulders, and I 1257 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,440 Speaker 1: think he'll react to it. I think he's gonna have 1258 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,560 Speaker 1: us in an outstanding season. It's gonna be a lot 1259 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,880 Speaker 1: of fun to watch him and on that. And you know, 1260 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,800 Speaker 1: I was a little bit surprised to see that from 1261 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 1: how you know, I know he wears its hard, honestly, 1262 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 1: but you know, and I love him, I really do. 1263 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,320 Speaker 1: One of the great giants of all time, no question 1264 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,520 Speaker 1: about it. So I was a little bit surprised to 1265 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,480 Speaker 1: see that. You know, right now, Harry's probably say, why 1266 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,840 Speaker 1: did I say that he's got enough pressure on him ready? 1267 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,320 Speaker 1: In fairness, I mean, Dave Gentleman came out and said 1268 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,080 Speaker 1: he was from the hand of God. So I mean, 1269 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,440 Speaker 1: at this point, at this point, it's hard, it's hard 1270 00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:02,120 Speaker 1: to get tell. Next time he comes on, don't worry 1271 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,800 Speaker 1: about William Andrez. I watched so much film on this kid, 1272 01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,040 Speaker 1: and watched the Senior Bowl, and uh, if you look 1273 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,160 Speaker 1: up the word pancake and the dictionary, his picture is 1274 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,680 Speaker 1: gonna be there. Literally. I mean, I saw him abused 1275 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport. He accused me the Senior Ball abused him. 1276 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:27,960 Speaker 1: And he's got this nasty streak around him. He really 1277 01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: knows how to finish and I love him. Um. My 1278 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,479 Speaker 1: last thing is, um, can you tell me a little 1279 01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,760 Speaker 1: bit about Edvan Brown? I think he's a daughter attack 1280 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,600 Speaker 1: when we sun, Um, can you tell me a little 1281 01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,000 Speaker 1: bit about him? Because I was reading up on him 1282 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,720 Speaker 1: and there were people that actually projected him to go 1283 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,080 Speaker 1: on about the fourth and fifth Brown, Could you guys 1284 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,040 Speaker 1: talk about him a little bit? And I appreciate it, 1285 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,880 Speaker 1: and I'll take it off the air. Guys, you gotta 1286 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,960 Speaker 1: pete and appreciate the phone call. But before we got 1287 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,640 Speaker 1: to Vin Brown, just one thing I wanted to add 1288 01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,520 Speaker 1: about two of the points he brought up. Number one, 1289 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,240 Speaker 1: Will Ernandez I think has an unbelievable track record, a 1290 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,160 Speaker 1: lot of upside. But if any fan is not interested 1291 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,720 Speaker 1: in crowning in individuals so quickly, I can't blame that 1292 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,960 Speaker 1: because there are no guarantees with any draft pick, regardless 1293 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,400 Speaker 1: of how well they played in college. Number two s 1294 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,600 Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley actually also addressed the media before we came on, 1295 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,080 Speaker 1: and he was asked that exact question about how you 1296 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,680 Speaker 1: know everybody's crowning him as a Hall of Famer and 1297 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,360 Speaker 1: guarantee and and he was asking, you know, how are 1298 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,160 Speaker 1: you handling all of this, and he said, listen, I've 1299 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,600 Speaker 1: got my own expectations. You know, I'm putting myself high 1300 01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,520 Speaker 1: in the pedestal as well because I want to do well. 1301 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the perfect answer. It doesn't 1302 01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,680 Speaker 1: matter what the media says, it doesn't matter what former 1303 01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,800 Speaker 1: players say, it doesn't matter what you and I say. 1304 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:43,520 Speaker 1: The end of the day, he's got to go out 1305 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,760 Speaker 1: there and he's got to prove himself. But if you 1306 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,200 Speaker 1: think that after being the second overall pick, he's walking 1307 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,480 Speaker 1: in and not having high hopes for himself, then I mean, 1308 01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,560 Speaker 1: come on, he doesn't get to be a second round 1309 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,840 Speaker 1: the second pick in the NFL draft. He doesn't have 1310 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,840 Speaker 1: high expectations for himself. And more importantly, that tells you 1311 01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 1: about the character of this young man. It tells you 1312 01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,640 Speaker 1: about his mindset, and it tells you about his his 1313 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,120 Speaker 1: will to succeed. That's very important. I like that a lot, 1314 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,480 Speaker 1: I really do, because you know what, he's not worried 1315 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,960 Speaker 1: about anybody else's expectations. All he's worried about is his own, 1316 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,480 Speaker 1: and that's perfect for me. I like that. I agree. 1317 01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,960 Speaker 1: I think that's an attractive statement that he said, especially 1318 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,720 Speaker 1: before he gets going. Evan Brown, the last coal are 1319 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,120 Speaker 1: brought up. Not only has he played guard, keep in 1320 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,640 Speaker 1: mind he's also a center out of s MU, so 1321 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,040 Speaker 1: he's got versatility on the interior. And you know, here's 1322 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,720 Speaker 1: another thing to take into consideration. Speaking of Evan Brown, 1323 01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,320 Speaker 1: Brett Jones is the starting center. You look at the 1324 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:43,080 Speaker 1: depth behind him, Jam, Yeah, I think there's another ala helopia. Yes, 1325 01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,800 Speaker 1: I was going to call you. You were complimenting yourself 1326 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,120 Speaker 1: so early in the program. I didn't want you to 1327 01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:54,160 Speaker 1: know tarnish helopia, like telapia. Okay, like the fish. Anyways, 1328 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,000 Speaker 1: they have him playing a little bit of center. No, 1329 01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:58,640 Speaker 1: he he is certainly an option that he was on 1330 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,800 Speaker 1: the team last year. There no, but there isn't a 1331 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,840 Speaker 1: lot of depths. So a guy like Evan Brown, you know, 1332 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,520 Speaker 1: it's once again it's easy to overlook. Some of these 1333 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 1: undrafted free agents. Will see how they utilize him. I 1334 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,760 Speaker 1: think the versatility that he has where he's played center, 1335 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,160 Speaker 1: he's played right guard. I mean to be exact. He 1336 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,240 Speaker 1: started all twelve games at right guard this past season, 1337 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,360 Speaker 1: and man in his junior and senior seasons, he started 1338 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:23,280 Speaker 1: twenty five consecutive games at center. So, like I said, 1339 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:29,680 Speaker 1: durability check, versatility check, size, size check two six two 1340 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,480 Speaker 1: three oh two. But now we gotta see what he 1341 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,480 Speaker 1: could do when he puts the pads on, and you're 1342 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,400 Speaker 1: just not gonna be able to tell much of anything 1343 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,400 Speaker 1: in rookie midican. Well, I think the big thing and 1344 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,280 Speaker 1: it's the buzzword for offensive lineman that we always use, 1345 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,960 Speaker 1: and that's the word versatility. All of these guys have 1346 01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,400 Speaker 1: to be versatile. They have to be what's exception made 1347 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,480 Speaker 1: me to the tackles. Okay, those guys, yeah, they can 1348 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,680 Speaker 1: come in and play, but they're really not you know, 1349 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,400 Speaker 1: their tackles for a reason. Um but the centers and 1350 01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,640 Speaker 1: guards are interchangeable. They can go from right to left, 1351 01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,880 Speaker 1: left to right and center whatever. Um So, but right now, 1352 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:05,920 Speaker 1: how hunter the offensive lineman and and yeah they are 1353 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,800 Speaker 1: looking at this offensive line is how can we get 1354 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,080 Speaker 1: obviously captain obvious? Here the five best players? But where 1355 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,920 Speaker 1: is our depth going to come from? And how good 1356 01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,160 Speaker 1: are these guys gonna be behind? Is because we need it. 1357 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,800 Speaker 1: The offensive line very very rarely sticks together the whole season, 1358 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,080 Speaker 1: you know that. So there's gonna be always guys moving 1359 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:23,600 Speaker 1: for left to right and right to left, and but 1360 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,040 Speaker 1: you've gotta have guys that can insert into the lineup, 1361 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,680 Speaker 1: and you've got to have quality depth. Maybe one of 1362 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,320 Speaker 1: these guys stand out there, maybe that they're the rotational 1363 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,320 Speaker 1: guy that can play right guard, or play left guard, 1364 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,560 Speaker 1: can play center, and maybe Evan Brown is one of 1365 01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,919 Speaker 1: those guys who knows well. It'll be fun to watch 1366 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,840 Speaker 1: the competition behind the Staughters, because that, to me is 1367 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,040 Speaker 1: an area where the Giants did not have a great 1368 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,840 Speaker 1: deal of depth last season, given all the injuries that occurred, 1369 01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,640 Speaker 1: especially with rich Berg and Pew some of the Staughters. 1370 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,440 Speaker 1: And this year, I think they want to go in 1371 01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,600 Speaker 1: knowing Jeff that if somebody goes down, they feel good 1372 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,920 Speaker 1: that somebody can fill right in. And when you think 1373 01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,440 Speaker 1: about it, if John Jerry goes ordered a bench, I 1374 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,680 Speaker 1: think you've approved your bench right there. I was you 1375 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,920 Speaker 1: took the words from the power out. That's okay, Oh, 1376 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,640 Speaker 1: mom A and John Jerry are your two guys that 1377 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,640 Speaker 1: one of them is gonna start. So whoever doesn't is 1378 01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,920 Speaker 1: a quality backup right there. Okay. I'm not worried about 1379 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,640 Speaker 1: right guard because I think you have the depth there. 1380 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,280 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit worried about the center, because if 1381 01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,200 Speaker 1: Jones is a small guy and you know, I don't 1382 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,520 Speaker 1: know how healthy he can stay. But then you got 1383 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,120 Speaker 1: the left guard in the in the left tackle, it's 1384 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,760 Speaker 1: pretty much solidified. Okay, it's the death behind there. That's 1385 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,840 Speaker 1: what we have to look at all, right, that right 1386 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,560 Speaker 1: tackle position, of all the positions, still scares the heck 1387 01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,960 Speaker 1: out of me because I'm not too keen on the 1388 01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:45,120 Speaker 1: idea of having those three guys out there, not a 1389 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,120 Speaker 1: lot of not a lot of playing time. They're they're 1390 01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,240 Speaker 1: young periods um. You know, and listen that Bobby had 1391 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,320 Speaker 1: to get rid of Bobby hart Um and I talk like, 1392 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if Eric Flowers is gonna, you know, 1393 01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:58,640 Speaker 1: is he gonna be the guy out there? I mean, 1394 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,160 Speaker 1: obviously he's still in the st he's still a giant, 1395 01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,439 Speaker 1: and he's still gonna be in the plans to play 1396 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,440 Speaker 1: right tackle. We'll see what happens, but it's unproven. He's 1397 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,360 Speaker 1: unproven at that position. It's pretty much unproven at left 1398 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,240 Speaker 1: tackle too. Yeah, we're talking about he hasn't played right 1399 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,920 Speaker 1: tackles since his early days in Miami, so it's been 1400 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,720 Speaker 1: a while since. I'm sad to work on that area 1401 01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,600 Speaker 1: of the footwork in in that department, So that's gonna 1402 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,960 Speaker 1: be something to monitor once he gets back in the mix. 1403 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,040 Speaker 1: All right, Well, that is gonna wrap up Friday. Then 1404 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,000 Speaker 1: they should a big Blue kickoff live. Speaking of Miami, 1405 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,400 Speaker 1: we want to thank Joel Rodriguez, the director of player 1406 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,160 Speaker 1: development for the Defense, were joining us earlier in the program. 1407 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,280 Speaker 1: In case you missed, it will be on the full archive, 1408 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,520 Speaker 1: which will be up on giants dot com later today. 1409 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,720 Speaker 1: Rookie Minicamp will continue tomorrow. Stay lock the Giants dot 1410 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,960 Speaker 1: com for all the latest coverage for Jeff Feagles on 1411 01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:44,960 Speaker 1: my meadow. You got it. Enjoy the rest of your 1412 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,520 Speaker 1: Friday right here on giants dot com. I have a 1413 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:46,720 Speaker 1: going