WEBVTT - Episode 3: The Fix 

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin Jake Alpern here before we get started, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>Previously on deep Cover. By the mid nineteen seventies, Bob

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<v Speaker 1>Cooley had earned a reputation in Chicago as a flashy

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<v Speaker 1>criminal defense lawyer who knew how to win. Sometimes he

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<v Speaker 1>won Fahren Square, but he was also willing to place

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<v Speaker 1>a bribe to get the verdict he wanted. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven, Bob was approached by Pat Marcy, the mob's

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<v Speaker 1>political czar. Marcy asked him to fix a murder case,

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<v Speaker 1>something that Bob had never done before. And this wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just any murder case. It was the trial of a

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<v Speaker 1>mob hitman named Harry Alaman. He's like a bantam rooster,

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<v Speaker 1>looks like somebody who if you rubbed up against him,

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<v Speaker 1>you sort of believe. Because he's the razor's edge. Bob

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<v Speaker 1>knew that he needed to get this case into the

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<v Speaker 1>hands of the exact right judge, and according to Bob,

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<v Speaker 1>he had the perfect person in mind. Bob Cooley was

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who seemed to know everyone when he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>in court. Bob liked to eat out, party, and gamble.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes he mixed work with pleasure. He was an off

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<v Speaker 1>the book silent partner of an Italian restaurant, a place

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<v Speaker 1>called Grecos, where he schmoozed with lawyers, judges and clients,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes he took the guys he really liked to Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob gambled so much the casinos would often fly him

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<v Speaker 1>and his friends out on a charter plane. Bob says

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<v Speaker 1>he made one such trip in the mid seventies with

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<v Speaker 1>a judge named Frank Wilson. I should tell you Judge

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson is no longer alive, so I couldn't ask him

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<v Speaker 1>about this trip or get his side of things. But

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<v Speaker 1>according to Bob, he and the judge get out to Vegas, gamble,

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<v Speaker 1>have a good time, part ways at some point, and

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<v Speaker 1>then in the wee hours of the morning they reconnect.

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<v Speaker 1>You're sitting at the bar and there's a girl sitting

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<v Speaker 1>next to him, who I'm assuming as a working girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob says that the judge had a bit too much

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<v Speaker 1>to drink that night. So Bob and this quote working

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<v Speaker 1>girl helped the judge back to his room. Afterwards, this

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<v Speaker 1>woman goes back to Bob's room with him. Once there,

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<v Speaker 1>she suggests that they take a shower before you know, so,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I get naked. I go in there. She's naked.

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<v Speaker 1>When I go in there, I get in the shower.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't get in the shower. Okay, I'm in there

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<v Speaker 1>no more than three or four minutes. And now it

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<v Speaker 1>hits me. I got about I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 1>five to six seven thousand in cash in my pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>I had just gotten a big fancy diamond ring not

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<v Speaker 1>that long before. Suddenly I jump out of the shower.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time I get out, she's already out the door,

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<v Speaker 1>because I opened the door and I see her towards

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<v Speaker 1>the elevator, and I'm naked, and I'm running. The moment

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<v Speaker 1>I come out and she's gone. I know, damn well,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. And I opened the door and I see her,

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<v Speaker 1>and as I say, I'm naked, but I go running

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<v Speaker 1>after her. She gets in the elevator and down she goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait seriously, Bob, honestly, you were running naked down the hallway.

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<v Speaker 1>What did I just say? Bob frantically hits the down button.

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<v Speaker 1>In hot pursuit. A new elevator arrives, Bob rushes in.

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<v Speaker 1>I get in there, and there's an old couple, old

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<v Speaker 1>couple standing in there. Like I said, it's about six

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning. Now I just put my hands over

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<v Speaker 1>my schmuck and I don't say a word. A woman,

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<v Speaker 1>especially like as if she, if she could have pushed

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<v Speaker 1>her way out the back of the elevator going down,

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<v Speaker 1>she would have wait. Hold up, Just to be just

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<v Speaker 1>to be totally clear, Bob, you're buck naked in the elevator,

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<v Speaker 1>covering your private ports and there's an elderly couple corned

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<v Speaker 1>over the other far end of the elevator. Not but

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<v Speaker 1>the elevator wasn't that big. We're talking a small elevator,

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<v Speaker 1>probably about three feet behind me. And I turned my back,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, but I'm covering. I'm covering my shug.

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<v Speaker 1>But now I have to get out of there. And

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<v Speaker 1>were at the ground level, so I run over to

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<v Speaker 1>the poll and I grab a towel and I go

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<v Speaker 1>see the security and I said, I just got robbed.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know, but I assumed I got wrapped or

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<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't have been, you know, gone. All my life,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been able to instantaneously, you know, figure things that

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<v Speaker 1>are happening. That's been my nature. Well maybe not instantaneously.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she did get away, but you got to

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<v Speaker 1>give Bob an a for effort. Eventually, Bob says, he

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<v Speaker 1>checks in with the judge in the morning. I see

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<v Speaker 1>Frank and Frank is complaining. You know, he had like

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<v Speaker 1>eight nine hundred bucks in his pocket and she robbed him.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, why'd you let her do that? Yeah? Why?

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<v Speaker 1>He said? Why did you let her? Explain the name

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<v Speaker 1>for him getting robbed? But I said, she got me

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot more than she got you. The whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing was like a scene right out of the Hangover.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a classic what happens in Vegas stays in

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas moment. Bob says that he did all this simply

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<v Speaker 1>because he liked to have fun and he valued Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson as a friend. But all of this male bonding

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<v Speaker 1>served another purpose. It built trust, something that Bob might

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<v Speaker 1>use to his own advantage if he ever wanted to,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why in early nineteen seventy seven, when Bob

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<v Speaker 1>was asked to fix a high profile murder case. Bob

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<v Speaker 1>thought of Judge Frank Wilson. Bob says he just knew

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<v Speaker 1>this would be the judge to ask the man to

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<v Speaker 1>take the bribe, and if it worked, if Bob could

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<v Speaker 1>pull this off, he'd prove his worth to Pat Marcy

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<v Speaker 1>and the Mob. He'd be the man in Chicago. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jake Halburn and this is Deep Cover mob Land, Episode three.

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<v Speaker 1>The fix Bob's relationship with Judge Wilson. It was complicated,

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<v Speaker 1>and all we have is Bob's version of what it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, which should be taken with a grain of salt,

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<v Speaker 1>because look and stories, Bob tends to be the hero.

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<v Speaker 1>With this in mind, I did some digging and tried

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out exactly who Judge Wilson was. People who

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<v Speaker 1>knew the judge well remember him as a no nonsense

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<v Speaker 1>Irish guy, a World War Two vette who walked with

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<v Speaker 1>a limp and had a reputation for being tough on

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<v Speaker 1>the bench, a serious man. So he walked with a limp.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's crabby, and he was very state minded. That's Bill Murphy.

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<v Speaker 1>He worked as a public defender in Frank Wilson's courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>He also happened to go to college with Bob, so

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<v Speaker 1>he actually knew both men pretty well. He says that

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<v Speaker 1>in college, Bob was a wild man. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>like Bob. He was a good wrestler. When he was

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<v Speaker 1>at college, he was He's good in a fistfight, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he just was out of control. By contrast,

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Wilson, or Frank as he calls him, was a

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<v Speaker 1>play by the rules kind of guy. Lawyers would you know,

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<v Speaker 1>come in to say hello to Frank. You know, it

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty congenial. If there were certain lawyers that would

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<v Speaker 1>come into his chambers, he would signal me to come

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<v Speaker 1>in there too, being a witness that no hanky pinky

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<v Speaker 1>was going to go on. Does that make sense to you?

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<v Speaker 1>This made perfect sense to me. This was a city

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<v Speaker 1>and a courthouse plagued by corruption, and Judge Wilson was

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<v Speaker 1>taking precautions, protecting himself and making it clear that he

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<v Speaker 1>was operating above board. Murphy says one time a lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>tried to send Judge Wilson a referral fee. Apparently the

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<v Speaker 1>judge had sent a client his way and lawyer wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to show his thanks. Wilson flat out refused. Apparently, this

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer was still determined to show his gratitude, so he

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<v Speaker 1>sent a case of scotch to Judge Wilson's bailiff. You

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<v Speaker 1>know the guy in the courtroom who says all rise.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Wilson put the kibosh on this too. He insisted

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<v Speaker 1>that the bailiff returned the case of scotch. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>he asked Bill Murphy to help move the liquor because

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<v Speaker 1>apparently the bailiff was an older guy and had a disability.

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<v Speaker 1>Frank said to me, he said, we're not taking I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not letting my bailiff take that. He can't carry it

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<v Speaker 1>back to the lawyer's car. Would you do it? And

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<v Speaker 1>I did. Murphy was also now a witness, someone who

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<v Speaker 1>saw the judge had done the right thing and saw

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<v Speaker 1>that the judge didn't want even a whiff of impropriety

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<v Speaker 1>in his courtroom. Bill Murphy told me that's just who

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Wilson was. An honest man. I didn't really have

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<v Speaker 1>you know, illusions about him. He was a very tough father.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. He wasn't telling me it was great all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. It was kind of just the opposite. But

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<v Speaker 1>in spite of all that, I really admired him. That's

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<v Speaker 1>Frank's daughter, mary Anne Duncan. I don't know. He just

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<v Speaker 1>really loved the law. He watched Perry Mason, like every

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<v Speaker 1>single parent Mason about one hundred times. And when he

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<v Speaker 1>became a judge, I don't think I've ever seen anyone

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<v Speaker 1>happier in a job. Marianne says that her dad made

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<v Speaker 1>a comfortable living as a judge. The family always had

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<v Speaker 1>enough money because her dad was frugal, a no frills

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<v Speaker 1>kind of guy. Like when they went on vacation, we

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<v Speaker 1>would say like a Howard Johnson's, but then we would

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<v Speaker 1>go have a drink or something at like the fancy hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'd be back at the more average place. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>was never extravagant. She says that her father wasn't driven

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<v Speaker 1>by money and would never take a bribe. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>might be thinking, of course, isn't this what any daughter

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<v Speaker 1>would say, But Marianne was adamant. I thought my father

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<v Speaker 1>did anything wrong, I would admit it, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't be something I did, you know, it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be my fault. If he did something wrong. Marianne also

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<v Speaker 1>disputes that her dad and Bob Cooley were even friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and in a way, I can see why she says this.

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<v Speaker 1>They seem kind of like opposites. But I can also

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<v Speaker 1>see how Judge Wilson's honorable reputation would be attractive and

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<v Speaker 1>quite useful to a guy like Bob Cooley, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to fix a murder case and make it

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<v Speaker 1>all look perfectly legit. Bob says that he also chose

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Wilson in part because he drank too much, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was essentially his achilles heel. When I asked Marianne

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<v Speaker 1>about this, she said her dad did have a drinking problem.

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<v Speaker 1>He would drink to excess for a few weeks, then

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<v Speaker 1>stop and go dry for a spell. The bottom line

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<v Speaker 1>for Bob was he felt if he talked to the

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<v Speaker 1>judge in just the right way, at just the right moment,

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<v Speaker 1>the judge might agree to the bribe. I had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea how I was going to approach until I walked

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<v Speaker 1>up before him. I had no idea what I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to say. I didn't like to prepare something. He

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<v Speaker 1>was just gonna wing it. So here's what Bob says, happened.

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<v Speaker 1>He had this restaurant, Grecos, and he knew that the

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<v Speaker 1>judge liked to dine there. So Bob heads to Grecos

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<v Speaker 1>one night, hoping to bump into the judge. Just so

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<v Speaker 1>you can picture it, Grecos was a huge place, looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a wine seller, adorned with ornamental trellises and vines,

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<v Speaker 1>good home cooked food prepared by Italian ladies from the neighborhood. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Bob shows up and spots the judge sitting with some friends.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets the judge's attention and brings him over to

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<v Speaker 1>a secluded spot. Then, ever so casually, Bob says, Judge,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody contacted me and wants me to handle a case.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the word Bob always used in situations like this,

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<v Speaker 1>handle a case. If he would have said to me anything,

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<v Speaker 1>did he affect that I don't want to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you about it or whatever? You know, so be it

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<v Speaker 1>and the conversation. But he said something that really struck

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<v Speaker 1>me as bizarre. He said to Bob, you mean the

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Alaman case. Bob was taken aback. It was as

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<v Speaker 1>if the judge knew what Bob was going to ask

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<v Speaker 1>before he even asked it. The judge then told Bob,

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<v Speaker 1>they sojade me on that case. S o j that

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<v Speaker 1>stands for substitution of judge in Illinois, if a case

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<v Speaker 1>is assigned to a judge and for whatever reason, either

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<v Speaker 1>side doesn't like that judge, they have a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>veto him ask for another judge. So that's what Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>was saying to Bob. He'd been so ojade blocked on

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<v Speaker 1>this case. Turns out Harry Alimon's legal team had vetoed Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've done this almost certainly because of Wilson's tough reputation.

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<v Speaker 1>This was news to Bob, but Bob had a hunch

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<v Speaker 1>that with the Mob's help, they could pull some strings

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<v Speaker 1>and undo this, get the case in front of Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, a problem that could be solved. Bob

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<v Speaker 1>just plays it cool. He doesn't say anything right away. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he waits. A few nights later. According to Bob, he

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<v Speaker 1>bumps into the judge again and brings up the whole

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<v Speaker 1>matter once more, tells the judge what a weak case

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<v Speaker 1>he thinks this is, and makes his pitch, so I

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<v Speaker 1>can get the case to you, you know, will you

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<v Speaker 1>take it not? Saying to fix it or anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said to me, you can't do it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I said, well, I think we can notice how careful

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<v Speaker 1>Bob is being. He's poking around looking for a soft spot,

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<v Speaker 1>testing whether the judge would even consider this. And Bob

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<v Speaker 1>says the judge isn't giving him a hard no, more

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<v Speaker 1>like a maybe, which is all he needs. Now comes

0:16:12.396 --> 0:16:15.396
<v Speaker 1>the full charm offensive. He invites the judge to dinner

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<v Speaker 1>at his restaurant. Bob's laid out all the groundwork. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a matter of locking him in. About maybe

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<v Speaker 1>fut halfway through dinner, the judge went to the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when I thought I will approach him. This would

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<v Speaker 1>be the moment he may be thinking really in the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>But as you'll come to see, this was Bob's go

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<v Speaker 1>to place to have discreet conversations. Anyway, Bob says. They

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<v Speaker 1>get to the bathroom and Bob slips his hand into

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<v Speaker 1>his pocket and clutches a wad of cash twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars. I just took it out, and I put

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<v Speaker 1>my hand out, and he put his hand out and

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<v Speaker 1>he took it, and he said, what's this for? And

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<v Speaker 1>I said, judge, you know that's for you. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>if I can't get the case to yousopiate and I

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<v Speaker 1>walked out. It was a shrewd play. Bob knew perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>well that once the judge accepted the money it was

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<v Speaker 1>a done deal. He was corrupted. So for the time being,

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<v Speaker 1>the judge appeared to be on board. Bob had promised

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<v Speaker 1>him that he'd get him ten thousand total once he'd

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<v Speaker 1>quitted Harry Alaman, so that was one problem solved. Not

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<v Speaker 1>long after this, Bob got a call from a mobster

0:17:40.116 --> 0:17:43.196
<v Speaker 1>he knew. He asked Bob to meet at a motel

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<v Speaker 1>out by the airport. When Bob arrives, they head upstairs

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<v Speaker 1>to an empty room. A few minutes later, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>knock on the door and in walks Harry Elaman. Harry

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<v Speaker 1>had stone cold eyes. He just did. He reminded me

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Pat Marcy. Pat Marcy was the same way,

0:18:03.836 --> 0:18:08.996
<v Speaker 1>but Harry looked pure evil. Apparently there was no mistaking

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<v Speaker 1>who or what this guy was. He looks like what

0:18:13.236 --> 0:18:17.156
<v Speaker 1>he was. He looks like a mobith guy, short, in

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good shape physically. All he's wore a suit. Never

0:18:20.356 --> 0:18:23.596
<v Speaker 1>saw Harry without him in a suit. I wonder if

0:18:23.596 --> 0:18:27.956
<v Speaker 1>he went swimming in a fucking suit. Technically, Bob wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>representing Harry. Harry had a veteran trial lawyer who would

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<v Speaker 1>be arguing the case in the courtroom. Bob was just

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<v Speaker 1>the fixer. But apparently Harry wanted to talk with Bob

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<v Speaker 1>directly about Judge Wilson. According to Bob, Harry was worried,

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<v Speaker 1>worried about the judge's tough reputation, and you can understand

0:18:47.716 --> 0:18:50.796
<v Speaker 1>why Harry might also be a little confused. First, his

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<v Speaker 1>legal team had blocked this judge. Now they were wrangling

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<v Speaker 1>to get into his courtroom, which was kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently Harry wanted to make sure that everything was

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<v Speaker 1>under control. And I said, look, I said yes, I

0:19:04.356 --> 0:19:07.396
<v Speaker 1>said I would handle the case. And that's when he said,

0:19:07.636 --> 0:19:11.316
<v Speaker 1>if there's a problem, you're going to have a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>What does he mean by that, If there's a problem,

0:19:13.836 --> 0:19:15.476
<v Speaker 1>you're going to have a problem, Like, what does that

0:19:15.516 --> 0:19:18.516
<v Speaker 1>actually mean? It means that you're probably going to get killed?

0:19:19.156 --> 0:19:24.156
<v Speaker 1>What I assume it means. Even so, Bob says he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't worry. Everything was going as planned, and the case

0:19:28.276 --> 0:19:31.956
<v Speaker 1>did end up in front of Wilson. It wasn't until

0:19:32.036 --> 0:19:49.036
<v Speaker 1>the trial began that Bob started to panic. By the

0:19:49.116 --> 0:19:52.436
<v Speaker 1>time that Harry Alaman went on trial for murder, it

0:19:52.476 --> 0:19:56.196
<v Speaker 1>was already a full blown media spectacle. Harry showed up

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<v Speaker 1>in court dressed to the nines with all the panash

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<v Speaker 1>of a celebrity. He even looked a bit like a

0:20:01.916 --> 0:20:05.756
<v Speaker 1>young al pacino, sporting a series of silk ties and

0:20:05.876 --> 0:20:09.716
<v Speaker 1>perfectly tailored suits. The way the media described him, it

0:20:09.796 --> 0:20:13.076
<v Speaker 1>was like the Grim Reaper had gone shopping at Barney's.

0:20:13.636 --> 0:20:16.756
<v Speaker 1>Right off the bat, Harry's defense team tells the judge

0:20:16.956 --> 0:20:19.476
<v Speaker 1>that they're giving up their right to a trial by jury.

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<v Speaker 1>Now some defendants like juries see them as more sympathetic,

0:20:24.036 --> 0:20:27.876
<v Speaker 1>which makes sense, unless, of course, you've bribed the judge.

0:20:28.356 --> 0:20:31.516
<v Speaker 1>Then you want a bench trial because in a bench trial,

0:20:31.676 --> 0:20:35.276
<v Speaker 1>well it's all up to the judge. With that matter settled,

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<v Speaker 1>the trial begins. The first witness to be called to

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<v Speaker 1>the stand was from the family of the victim, Billy Logan,

0:20:42.316 --> 0:20:45.996
<v Speaker 1>his sister you know her as Aunt Betty. The famous

0:20:46.076 --> 0:20:50.796
<v Speaker 1>Chicago columnist Mike Royko captured the scene. He described Harry's

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<v Speaker 1>reaction as the Logan sisters testified about the death of

0:20:54.236 --> 0:20:58.956
<v Speaker 1>their brother. He wrote, quote, Harry just sat there, looking

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<v Speaker 1>as cool and impassive as he has throughout. If being

0:21:02.996 --> 0:21:07.756
<v Speaker 1>unjustly accused is a nightmarish experience, he's holding up about

0:21:07.756 --> 0:21:11.716
<v Speaker 1>as well as anyone could. Turns out, this cool and

0:21:11.796 --> 0:21:15.756
<v Speaker 1>impassive appearance. It was very deliberate on Harry's part. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a whole way of being, and Harry's family had

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<v Speaker 1>to follow it. Frankie for Leano, his daughter, remembers this, well,

0:21:25.356 --> 0:21:27.396
<v Speaker 1>if I don't care what they say to me, I

0:21:27.436 --> 0:21:29.756
<v Speaker 1>don't care what they do to me. You are just

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<v Speaker 1>show no emotion, get up and walk away from these reporters.

0:21:33.836 --> 0:21:41.596
<v Speaker 1>Don't give anybody any satisfaction. Okay, let's talk about motive.

0:21:42.316 --> 0:21:45.476
<v Speaker 1>This was a hole in the prosecution's case which they

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<v Speaker 1>never really addressed in a satisfying way. There were reports

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<v Speaker 1>in the press that Billy Logan may have been murdered

0:21:52.156 --> 0:21:56.396
<v Speaker 1>because he refused to help the mob in a hijacking scheme. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you recall, Billy was a teamster in theory. He

0:22:00.756 --> 0:22:04.156
<v Speaker 1>had access to all kinds of information about trucks, when

0:22:04.156 --> 0:22:07.956
<v Speaker 1>they arrived, when they departed, what they were carrying. The

0:22:08.076 --> 0:22:12.316
<v Speaker 1>mob apparently wanted this info, Billy said no, and well

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up dead because of it. That was one

0:22:15.996 --> 0:22:19.676
<v Speaker 1>theory anyway. I say theory because Billy was dead so

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't talk, and the mob well didn't exactly have

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<v Speaker 1>a pr guide to comment, so theory was all there

0:22:26.156 --> 0:22:30.556
<v Speaker 1>was without a clear cut motive. The heart of the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution's case was the testimony of not one, but two

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses to the crime. The first was Harry Alaman's accomplice,

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<v Speaker 1>the driver of the getaway car, Louis Almeida, a childhood

0:22:43.876 --> 0:22:49.156
<v Speaker 1>friend of Harry's. Louise testimony was pretty damning. Louis recalled

0:22:49.156 --> 0:22:51.676
<v Speaker 1>the knight of the murder, how they'd driven over to

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<v Speaker 1>Billy's house, how Harry had yelled out the car window

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<v Speaker 1>to get Billy's attention and then shot him twice, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>five or six seconds past, and then Harry shot Billy

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<v Speaker 1>a third and final time. Louis said he started to

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<v Speaker 1>speed away, but Harry told him, quote, drive slow, he's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a chilling account of a professional murder. The

0:23:20.956 --> 0:23:23.716
<v Speaker 1>problem with Louis as a witness is that he was

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<v Speaker 1>serving a ten year federal sentence on a weapon's charge.

0:23:27.196 --> 0:23:29.996
<v Speaker 1>He was testifying, at least in part to get his

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<v Speaker 1>sentence reduced. In the end, the whole trial really came

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<v Speaker 1>down to the second witness, Robert Lowe. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who told Betty I saw it all, the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who'd been out walking his dog when Billy Logan got shot.

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<v Speaker 1>A guy who had absolutely nothing to gain and everything

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<v Speaker 1>to lose by testifying, and you know it's the seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a young guy, very impressionable, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that did carry the day. That's Maurice Posley. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>former Chicago journalist who wrote a book about Robert Lowe

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<v Speaker 1>and this trial. It's called Everybody Pays. It really boiled

0:24:08.876 --> 0:24:13.756
<v Speaker 1>down to Bob low and whether you believed Bob Lowe,

0:24:14.356 --> 0:24:18.756
<v Speaker 1>and he was very believable. Basically, Poseley says that Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Lowe is the star of the show. Everyone knew it

0:24:21.516 --> 0:24:24.676
<v Speaker 1>from the moment Robert Lowe entered the courthouse, because he

0:24:24.756 --> 0:24:28.236
<v Speaker 1>was surrounded by guards all with their guns drawn. It

0:24:28.276 --> 0:24:31.276
<v Speaker 1>was like the President had arrived or something. And in

0:24:31.276 --> 0:24:34.396
<v Speaker 1>a way it was no less momentous. Here was a

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<v Speaker 1>regular guy, father of four, working stiff, don't forget dog

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<v Speaker 1>owner who'd volunteered to take on the mob and thus

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<v Speaker 1>far he had not been killed. That was like being

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<v Speaker 1>in downtown Chicago and seeing Bigfoot with a red sox

0:24:49.916 --> 0:24:54.756
<v Speaker 1>hat on Maurice Poseley. He points out, this didn't just happen.

0:24:55.356 --> 0:24:58.036
<v Speaker 1>Robert Low didn't just wake up one morning, make a

0:24:58.076 --> 0:25:01.316
<v Speaker 1>cup of foldiers, look in the mirror and say, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I think I'm going to testify against that

0:25:03.596 --> 0:25:09.076
<v Speaker 1>really scary hitman today. No, the prosecutors told Robert basically

0:25:09.516 --> 0:25:13.076
<v Speaker 1>that he had a chance to do the impossible, put

0:25:13.116 --> 0:25:16.676
<v Speaker 1>a mob hitman behind bars from murder. They laid it

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<v Speaker 1>on thick, this was an opportunity that rarely came long

0:25:21.676 --> 0:25:25.356
<v Speaker 1>for men such as them to actually get a conviction

0:25:25.396 --> 0:25:27.916
<v Speaker 1>in these cases, and that this guy was the lynchpin,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he became sort of, you know, their darling.

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<v Speaker 1>You might say, we'll take care of you, will give

0:25:34.916 --> 0:25:37.356
<v Speaker 1>you a new identity. You're going to have to change

0:25:37.356 --> 0:25:40.036
<v Speaker 1>your life, you're going to have to move, but it's

0:25:40.356 --> 0:25:44.156
<v Speaker 1>going to be an opportunity for you. And they impressed

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<v Speaker 1>upon him his value to them, which was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>not just a personal value, but it was a value

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<v Speaker 1>to the society at large of what he was doing

0:25:53.636 --> 0:25:57.316
<v Speaker 1>as a public service, but that's not all. In his book,

0:25:57.436 --> 0:26:01.356
<v Speaker 1>Posley recounts a scene where Robert is told by prosecutors

0:26:01.436 --> 0:26:05.156
<v Speaker 1>that he might be in danger. The subtext was clear,

0:26:05.836 --> 0:26:09.076
<v Speaker 1>sign up with us, do your part, and you'll be safe.

0:26:09.476 --> 0:26:11.916
<v Speaker 1>Do this for the good of your wife and your kids.

0:26:12.396 --> 0:26:20.076
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, just a little bit of pressure. At the

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<v Speaker 1>court house, he took the witness stand and began to

0:26:23.196 --> 0:26:25.996
<v Speaker 1>recount what he'd seen that night. He had been taking

0:26:25.996 --> 0:26:28.596
<v Speaker 1>his dog for a walk when he saw Billy Logan

0:26:28.756 --> 0:26:31.396
<v Speaker 1>come out of his house. Robert began to cross the

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<v Speaker 1>street so he could chat with Billy. Then a car

0:26:34.236 --> 0:26:39.316
<v Speaker 1>pulled up. Robert testified that he heard a bang, and

0:26:39.316 --> 0:26:41.836
<v Speaker 1>then he saw Logan's body fly back about four or

0:26:41.876 --> 0:26:45.076
<v Speaker 1>five feet into some bushes. He then heard another bang.

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<v Speaker 1>Moments later, the car door opened and an armed man emerged.

0:26:51.116 --> 0:26:54.756
<v Speaker 1>Robert said his dog, Ginger, lunged at the man. He

0:26:54.836 --> 0:26:58.236
<v Speaker 1>had to hold Ginger back. Then he made eye contact

0:26:58.236 --> 0:27:10.316
<v Speaker 1>with the killer for four full seconds. Then came the

0:27:10.356 --> 0:27:14.076
<v Speaker 1>most dramatic moment in the whole trial. The prosecutor said,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Lowe, I'd like you to look around the courtroom

0:27:17.956 --> 0:27:20.476
<v Speaker 1>and see if you can see that man in court today.

0:27:21.716 --> 0:27:25.516
<v Speaker 1>That's when Robert raises his hand and points directly at Harry.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecutor then says, let the record indicate that the

0:27:29.516 --> 0:27:39.996
<v Speaker 1>witness has identified the defendant Harry Alaman. Robert's wife, who

0:27:40.076 --> 0:27:42.956
<v Speaker 1>was seated on a front row bench, heaved an audible

0:27:43.076 --> 0:27:46.356
<v Speaker 1>sigh of relief. It was as if, after all of

0:27:46.356 --> 0:27:51.076
<v Speaker 1>these weeks and months and years of living with this nightmare, maybe,

0:27:51.516 --> 0:27:56.156
<v Speaker 1>just maybe it was finally over. During the cross examination,

0:27:56.356 --> 0:27:59.036
<v Speaker 1>the defense did its best to poke holes in Robert's

0:27:59.036 --> 0:28:03.356
<v Speaker 1>credibility and its testimony. They focused on inconsistencies in what

0:28:03.436 --> 0:28:07.436
<v Speaker 1>he told the authorities, mainly small details like whether or

0:28:07.476 --> 0:28:11.516
<v Speaker 1>not the getaway car had bucket seats. They said, in effect,

0:28:11.756 --> 0:28:15.076
<v Speaker 1>his story at trial didn't match up exactly with what

0:28:15.116 --> 0:28:21.036
<v Speaker 1>he'd told investigators previously. The defense attorney pressed on relentlessly.

0:28:21.316 --> 0:28:25.316
<v Speaker 1>He questioned Robert's memory, hammering away in particular at the

0:28:25.356 --> 0:28:27.836
<v Speaker 1>idea that he'd stared at the killer for a full

0:28:27.956 --> 0:28:30.596
<v Speaker 1>four seconds. I'm going to read you a portion of

0:28:30.596 --> 0:28:35.436
<v Speaker 1>his cross examination. Defense, how was this man dress that

0:28:35.476 --> 0:28:39.316
<v Speaker 1>you stared at for four seconds? Robert, I was looking

0:28:39.356 --> 0:28:43.476
<v Speaker 1>at his face? Defense, Well, it was a brightly lighted area.

0:28:43.956 --> 0:28:49.356
<v Speaker 1>Was bright enough to see good, wasn't it, mister witness Robert, Yes, sir, Defense,

0:28:49.596 --> 0:28:53.236
<v Speaker 1>And you can't tell the court what the man was wearing, Robert,

0:28:53.916 --> 0:28:57.516
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't looking at anything but his face. Defense. Was

0:28:57.556 --> 0:29:02.716
<v Speaker 1>he wearing a sweater? Robert I didn't notice. Defense. Was

0:29:02.756 --> 0:29:07.596
<v Speaker 1>he wearing a coat? Robert I don't know, sir, Defense.

0:29:08.316 --> 0:29:13.356
<v Speaker 1>Was he wearing a breaker? Robert, I don't know, sir, Defense.

0:29:14.116 --> 0:29:17.036
<v Speaker 1>You want the court to believe that you stared at

0:29:17.036 --> 0:29:19.836
<v Speaker 1>a man for four seconds and you can't tell him

0:29:19.876 --> 0:29:24.396
<v Speaker 1>one thing as to his apparel. Prosecutor objection Judge. Judge

0:29:24.476 --> 0:29:27.916
<v Speaker 1>overruled Robert. All I had in my mind on was

0:29:27.956 --> 0:29:31.316
<v Speaker 1>his face. I'll never forget that face as long as

0:29:31.316 --> 0:29:38.196
<v Speaker 1>I live. The good news for Robert was that most

0:29:38.196 --> 0:29:42.196
<v Speaker 1>of his testimony was corroborated by other witnesses. His account

0:29:42.276 --> 0:29:45.516
<v Speaker 1>matched up with what Louis Almeida, the accomplice, had described.

0:29:45.836 --> 0:29:48.196
<v Speaker 1>It also matched up with what Aunt Bettie had said.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point, there was a brief recess, and there

0:29:52.156 --> 0:29:55.556
<v Speaker 1>was this moment captured by a local reporter. One of

0:29:55.556 --> 0:29:59.596
<v Speaker 1>the victim's sisters approached Robert. Lowe's wife, grabbed her hand,

0:30:00.316 --> 0:30:04.956
<v Speaker 1>then told her tearfully what your husband's doing. It can't

0:30:04.956 --> 0:30:07.956
<v Speaker 1>bring Billy back, but maybe it'll stop them from doing

0:30:07.956 --> 0:30:11.996
<v Speaker 1>this to anybody else. The scene made the papers. It

0:30:12.036 --> 0:30:14.916
<v Speaker 1>seemed to capture the human drama that was unfolding here,

0:30:15.436 --> 0:30:18.916
<v Speaker 1>a reunion of neighbors. Once upon a time they waved

0:30:18.956 --> 0:30:22.396
<v Speaker 1>friendly hellos across the street, and now one family was

0:30:22.516 --> 0:30:25.276
<v Speaker 1>risking everything so that the other might have a shot

0:30:25.316 --> 0:30:28.276
<v Speaker 1>at justice. It was the kind of story that could

0:30:28.276 --> 0:30:31.996
<v Speaker 1>make people care, see this is just not another mob murder,

0:30:32.396 --> 0:30:37.836
<v Speaker 1>but a parable about courage and family and community. The

0:30:37.956 --> 0:30:42.796
<v Speaker 1>newspapers covered each day's proceedings ravenously. It was a media circus,

0:30:43.236 --> 0:30:46.516
<v Speaker 1>and at the center of this was Judge Frank Wilson.

0:30:47.116 --> 0:30:50.116
<v Speaker 1>His daughter mary Anne told me that the press camped

0:30:50.116 --> 0:30:52.756
<v Speaker 1>out on their front lawn, that they hounded her father

0:30:52.836 --> 0:30:57.316
<v Speaker 1>with questions and her too. It was relentless. Everyone was

0:30:57.396 --> 0:31:21.076
<v Speaker 1>angling for a clue. How would the judge rule? To

0:31:21.316 --> 0:31:25.236
<v Speaker 1>local media in Chicago, the trial of Harry Alman was

0:31:25.276 --> 0:31:28.316
<v Speaker 1>the gift that kept on giving. Every day offered new

0:31:28.396 --> 0:31:32.436
<v Speaker 1>storylines that enticed readers and soul papers. I was still

0:31:32.436 --> 0:31:35.356
<v Speaker 1>living with my mother and I was commuting on the

0:31:35.356 --> 0:31:38.036
<v Speaker 1>train because I was on the south Side, and so

0:31:38.116 --> 0:31:40.076
<v Speaker 1>every day I was reading the paper on the train

0:31:40.476 --> 0:31:43.356
<v Speaker 1>and there was this trial going on day after day.

0:31:43.756 --> 0:31:46.516
<v Speaker 1>This is Katherine Fleming, one of the many women who

0:31:46.556 --> 0:31:49.516
<v Speaker 1>worked for Bob over the years. At the time of

0:31:49.516 --> 0:31:53.756
<v Speaker 1>the trial, she was his trusted secretary, and well, I'll

0:31:53.796 --> 0:31:57.196
<v Speaker 1>just let her explain their relationship. You know, he was nice,

0:31:57.396 --> 0:32:00.716
<v Speaker 1>we liked each other, We worked together easily. There was

0:32:00.756 --> 0:32:04.796
<v Speaker 1>an attraction. So yeah, it was easy. It was easy.

0:32:05.036 --> 0:32:08.796
<v Speaker 1>It was easy, it was fun. Katherine dated Bob on

0:32:08.836 --> 0:32:11.636
<v Speaker 1>and off for about twenty years and what was largely

0:32:11.676 --> 0:32:15.996
<v Speaker 1>a commitment free relationship. They were very close, but she

0:32:16.036 --> 0:32:18.476
<v Speaker 1>says she didn't know the ins and outs of how

0:32:18.516 --> 0:32:22.116
<v Speaker 1>Bob operated. Yeah, I'm not sure. I really didn't know

0:32:22.156 --> 0:32:26.196
<v Speaker 1>what he was doing. I was not part of any

0:32:26.236 --> 0:32:30.876
<v Speaker 1>client meetings ever, so I had no sense of what

0:32:30.916 --> 0:32:34.916
<v Speaker 1>he was or wasn't doing other than getting criminals off,

0:32:35.436 --> 0:32:38.316
<v Speaker 1>for instance. Even though she was reading about the Harry

0:32:38.316 --> 0:32:41.476
<v Speaker 1>Alaman trial every day on our way to work, she

0:32:41.556 --> 0:32:43.956
<v Speaker 1>had no idea that Bob was involved in this case.

0:32:44.516 --> 0:32:47.996
<v Speaker 1>He never let it slip, not at work, not in bed,

0:32:48.596 --> 0:32:51.476
<v Speaker 1>not ever. Bob kept all of his dealings in this

0:32:51.516 --> 0:32:54.476
<v Speaker 1>case very hush hush. The best thing he could do,

0:32:54.516 --> 0:32:57.796
<v Speaker 1>in fact, was stay away from everyone involved. So he

0:32:57.836 --> 0:33:00.556
<v Speaker 1>says he wasn't thrilled when during the thick of the

0:33:00.596 --> 0:33:04.196
<v Speaker 1>trial he got a call from Judge Wilson himself. I

0:33:04.316 --> 0:33:07.636
<v Speaker 1>get a phone call from the judge. He called me

0:33:07.676 --> 0:33:10.596
<v Speaker 1>from a pay phone over there by twenty sixth Street.

0:33:11.236 --> 0:33:13.356
<v Speaker 1>He calls and he says, you know, can I meet

0:33:13.396 --> 0:33:15.596
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to meet me at the at a restaurant

0:33:15.636 --> 0:33:18.916
<v Speaker 1>over on Ciero. According to Bob, he shows up at

0:33:18.956 --> 0:33:22.276
<v Speaker 1>the restaurant, sees the judge and together they head off

0:33:22.316 --> 0:33:26.076
<v Speaker 1>to yep, you guessed it, the bathroom. And he's like,

0:33:26.836 --> 0:33:31.396
<v Speaker 1>he's like shaking, He's like all nervous. What's matter? And

0:33:31.476 --> 0:33:33.116
<v Speaker 1>I said, Judge, you know, look, you know what what

0:33:33.196 --> 0:33:36.476
<v Speaker 1>can I tell you? Now? I am nervous, you know,

0:33:36.556 --> 0:33:39.916
<v Speaker 1>and there's nothing I can do about it. And I said, well, Judge, hey,

0:33:39.956 --> 0:33:42.756
<v Speaker 1>you know what can I tell you if something goes wrong?

0:33:42.796 --> 0:33:45.236
<v Speaker 1>I said, I've got a problem. And I had no

0:33:45.316 --> 0:33:48.116
<v Speaker 1>idea what he would do now myself, because he might

0:33:48.116 --> 0:33:51.516
<v Speaker 1>find him guilty. I mean, that's with making me nervous

0:33:51.556 --> 0:33:54.516
<v Speaker 1>because it sounds like maybe he's gonna say forget about it.

0:33:54.596 --> 0:33:58.196
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what he's going to do, Jake. I

0:33:58.236 --> 0:34:00.556
<v Speaker 1>don't know what you're gonna do tomorrow. I don't know

0:34:00.596 --> 0:34:03.116
<v Speaker 1>what he's gonna do. What would happen if he found

0:34:03.156 --> 0:34:09.916
<v Speaker 1>him guilty? I'd probably wind up getting killed. Bob was

0:34:09.956 --> 0:34:12.596
<v Speaker 1>a bit shaken, but he did his best to calm

0:34:12.596 --> 0:34:15.516
<v Speaker 1>the judge down, assure him that everything would be all right.

0:34:16.556 --> 0:34:19.676
<v Speaker 1>And it turns out Bob did have an idea how

0:34:19.716 --> 0:34:23.236
<v Speaker 1>he might fix things or make them better. He says

0:34:23.236 --> 0:34:25.716
<v Speaker 1>that at one point the judge it complained about how

0:34:25.756 --> 0:34:28.756
<v Speaker 1>much money he was being paid, So Bob decided to

0:34:28.796 --> 0:34:30.996
<v Speaker 1>go back to Pat Marcy and see if they could

0:34:31.036 --> 0:34:33.876
<v Speaker 1>up the bribe offer more than just the ten thousand.

0:34:34.596 --> 0:34:37.836
<v Speaker 1>So Bob paid a visit to Counselor's row and found

0:34:37.916 --> 0:34:41.356
<v Speaker 1>Pat Marcy. The mob's politicals are the guy with the

0:34:41.396 --> 0:34:44.396
<v Speaker 1>tinted glasses. We walked out into the hall and I said,

0:34:45.116 --> 0:34:48.356
<v Speaker 1>he's a nervous wreck. Well he better doing you? I said,

0:34:48.396 --> 0:34:51.676
<v Speaker 1>you should we offer him some more? Should we offer

0:34:51.756 --> 0:34:54.596
<v Speaker 1>him some more? And he says he said he'd do

0:34:54.636 --> 0:34:56.876
<v Speaker 1>it for ten. It better be done for ten. That

0:34:56.956 --> 0:35:01.876
<v Speaker 1>saw not a nickel more that ratt and sib and

0:35:02.116 --> 0:35:05.876
<v Speaker 1>that was it. There was nothing more that Bob could do.

0:35:10.436 --> 0:35:13.356
<v Speaker 1>The trial drew to a close in late May of

0:35:13.476 --> 0:35:16.996
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy seven. Bob, by his own admission, was a

0:35:17.036 --> 0:35:20.596
<v Speaker 1>nervous wreck. So the night before the verdict was announced,

0:35:20.876 --> 0:35:24.556
<v Speaker 1>Bob did well what Bob always liked to do. He

0:35:24.636 --> 0:35:28.396
<v Speaker 1>hit the town kind of like a last hurrah. I

0:35:28.436 --> 0:35:31.116
<v Speaker 1>went to my restaurant, I went to the nightclubs, a

0:35:31.156 --> 0:35:34.556
<v Speaker 1>couple of nightclubs. I was out until about met maybe

0:35:34.596 --> 0:35:37.716
<v Speaker 1>about three or four o'clock in the morning. I went

0:35:37.756 --> 0:35:40.716
<v Speaker 1>home with one of my sweethearts. When we got up

0:35:40.756 --> 0:35:44.076
<v Speaker 1>in the morning, I packed a couple of bags. That's

0:35:44.076 --> 0:35:46.796
<v Speaker 1>when I said, well, just in case there's a problem,

0:35:46.796 --> 0:35:49.196
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting the hell out of here, Bob says the

0:35:49.276 --> 0:35:52.396
<v Speaker 1>next morning, he got on the highway and headed west.

0:35:53.036 --> 0:35:56.716
<v Speaker 1>Had no idea where he was going, just away from Chicago,

0:35:57.316 --> 0:36:01.036
<v Speaker 1>because he knew if the verdict was guilty, he'd be

0:36:01.076 --> 0:36:07.556
<v Speaker 1>on the hook. Pat Marcy would hold him accountable. Meanwhile,

0:36:07.756 --> 0:36:11.396
<v Speaker 1>back in Chicago, it was standing room only in the courtroom.

0:36:12.236 --> 0:36:14.956
<v Speaker 1>It seemed like the whole city was hanging on the outcome.

0:36:15.516 --> 0:36:18.996
<v Speaker 1>What would Judge Wilson do? Did he have enough reasonable

0:36:18.996 --> 0:36:21.756
<v Speaker 1>doubt to acquit or would he send a hitman to

0:36:21.876 --> 0:36:24.236
<v Speaker 1>jail for murder for the first time and as long

0:36:24.276 --> 0:36:28.116
<v Speaker 1>as anyone could remember. The judge began his statement by

0:36:28.156 --> 0:36:32.156
<v Speaker 1>issuing a stern warning. He said, quote, all right, ladies

0:36:32.196 --> 0:36:35.316
<v Speaker 1>and gentlemen, it's now time for the finding by this court.

0:36:35.836 --> 0:36:38.636
<v Speaker 1>When I announced my decision, I will not tolerate any

0:36:38.636 --> 0:36:42.876
<v Speaker 1>outbursts by anybody in this courtroom. He then explained that

0:36:42.916 --> 0:36:45.996
<v Speaker 1>in his tenure as a judge, he'd presided in over

0:36:46.036 --> 0:36:50.676
<v Speaker 1>a thousand cases, some tough, some easy. He'd even sentenced

0:36:50.676 --> 0:36:54.436
<v Speaker 1>two men to the electric chair. Although this case has

0:36:54.516 --> 0:36:57.516
<v Speaker 1>created a certain amount of public interest, it is not

0:36:57.676 --> 0:37:01.596
<v Speaker 1>a particularly difficult one, he told the courtroom. It all

0:37:01.636 --> 0:37:04.396
<v Speaker 1>came down to the credibility of the two eye witnesses,

0:37:04.516 --> 0:37:08.316
<v Speaker 1>he explained. The judge said he was required by law

0:37:08.556 --> 0:37:12.276
<v Speaker 1>to view the accomplices testimony with suspicion because he was

0:37:12.316 --> 0:37:15.916
<v Speaker 1>an accessory to the murder. The judge gave more credence

0:37:15.956 --> 0:37:19.796
<v Speaker 1>to the testimony of Robert Lowe, but he wasn't entirely

0:37:19.836 --> 0:37:23.556
<v Speaker 1>won over by it either. He pointed out some discrepancies

0:37:23.596 --> 0:37:26.476
<v Speaker 1>between what Robert said on the stand and what he

0:37:26.596 --> 0:37:31.676
<v Speaker 1>told investigators prior to that. The judge went on to say, quote,

0:37:32.196 --> 0:37:34.756
<v Speaker 1>my job here is not to say whether the defendant

0:37:34.796 --> 0:37:36.876
<v Speaker 1>is innocent, and I do not say at this time

0:37:36.916 --> 0:37:41.076
<v Speaker 1>that he is innocent. That is between him and his God.

0:37:42.476 --> 0:37:44.676
<v Speaker 1>That's the moment that made it into all the papers,

0:37:45.036 --> 0:37:48.756
<v Speaker 1>the moment when everyone seemed to understand where exactly this

0:37:48.876 --> 0:37:57.916
<v Speaker 1>was headed. Johannes and Tanello, the niece of the victim,

0:37:57.956 --> 0:38:02.636
<v Speaker 1>remembers this moment vividly because I remember my mom squeezing

0:38:02.716 --> 0:38:09.436
<v Speaker 1>my hand and she started to cry, and he said,

0:38:09.436 --> 0:38:11.476
<v Speaker 1>how could this be? How could it be that he's

0:38:11.476 --> 0:38:14.796
<v Speaker 1>saying this is between him and his God. I think

0:38:14.836 --> 0:38:18.516
<v Speaker 1>everybody was just stunned and it wasn't making any sense.

0:38:19.916 --> 0:38:24.316
<v Speaker 1>The judge continued, my decision may not be a popular one,

0:38:24.836 --> 0:38:27.636
<v Speaker 1>but for those who disagree, I wish to state that

0:38:27.716 --> 0:38:31.636
<v Speaker 1>every defendant, and I mean every defendant, no matter who

0:38:31.676 --> 0:38:35.596
<v Speaker 1>he might be, is entitled to a fair trial. With

0:38:35.636 --> 0:38:39.716
<v Speaker 1>all of this in mind, the judge concluded, I find

0:38:39.796 --> 0:38:43.476
<v Speaker 1>the state has fallen far short of their burden of

0:38:43.596 --> 0:38:48.076
<v Speaker 1>proving the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There was

0:38:48.116 --> 0:38:53.236
<v Speaker 1>an uproar for Harry's daughter, Frankie. There was no immediate

0:38:53.356 --> 0:38:57.516
<v Speaker 1>joy or even relief. It was just like, I don't

0:38:57.516 --> 0:39:00.436
<v Speaker 1>even know. I was just numb. That was just numb.

0:39:01.476 --> 0:39:03.796
<v Speaker 1>My mom was next to me and just staying there,

0:39:03.796 --> 0:39:07.276
<v Speaker 1>and my Mom's like, it's okay, It's gonna be okay.

0:39:07.676 --> 0:39:10.876
<v Speaker 1>Harry eventually made his way out of the courtroom, walked

0:39:10.876 --> 0:39:15.556
<v Speaker 1>away a freeman, all the while the news cameraman clicked away.

0:39:15.956 --> 0:39:19.836
<v Speaker 1>It was an iconic moment. Here's Maurice Poseley, the journalist,

0:39:20.396 --> 0:39:25.276
<v Speaker 1>the image of Harry walking out of the courthouse with

0:39:25.316 --> 0:39:30.716
<v Speaker 1>his wife and attorney with a sort of smirk, self

0:39:30.756 --> 0:39:33.956
<v Speaker 1>satisfied smirk on his face that gave you the impression

0:39:33.996 --> 0:39:38.036
<v Speaker 1>of see, I could have told you that this was

0:39:38.076 --> 0:39:42.956
<v Speaker 1>going to happen. Meanwhile, miles away in his car heading west,

0:39:43.516 --> 0:39:49.556
<v Speaker 1>Bob Cooley was listening to the news I heard on

0:39:49.636 --> 0:39:52.956
<v Speaker 1>the radio. You know, the judge found him not guilty.

0:39:54.036 --> 0:39:58.436
<v Speaker 1>You know, everybody's screaming because the evidence was overwhelming and

0:39:58.516 --> 0:40:01.916
<v Speaker 1>all the rest of that bullshit. I turned the car around,

0:40:04.676 --> 0:40:08.556
<v Speaker 1>turned his car around because he'd done it. He'd gotten

0:40:08.556 --> 0:40:12.036
<v Speaker 1>the verdict he'd wanted. He'd come through for Harry Alaman,

0:40:12.196 --> 0:40:15.796
<v Speaker 1>and more importantly, for pat Marcy, the Mob's political czar,

0:40:16.636 --> 0:40:19.756
<v Speaker 1>Bob had taken a huge risk. Even for a veteran

0:40:19.796 --> 0:40:22.876
<v Speaker 1>gambler like Bob. This was an epic roll of the dice.

0:40:23.956 --> 0:40:27.316
<v Speaker 1>As the city of Chicago came back into view and

0:40:27.396 --> 0:40:31.796
<v Speaker 1>the recently completed Sears Tower loomed in the distance, it

0:40:31.876 --> 0:40:35.316
<v Speaker 1>must have seemed like this city was his for the taking.

0:40:44.916 --> 0:40:49.116
<v Speaker 1>But first there was something he had to do. He says,

0:40:49.116 --> 0:40:51.836
<v Speaker 1>he had to pay off Judge Wilson, pay off the

0:40:51.876 --> 0:40:54.476
<v Speaker 1>balance of what he owed, because he'd only given him

0:40:54.516 --> 0:40:57.796
<v Speaker 1>twenty five hundred so far. They arranged to meet at

0:40:57.796 --> 0:41:01.516
<v Speaker 1>a restaurant on this final meaning between the two of them.

0:41:01.636 --> 0:41:04.796
<v Speaker 1>Bob says he decided to bring along his secretary slash lover,

0:41:04.996 --> 0:41:08.276
<v Speaker 1>Catherine Fleming. He said he did it to lighten the mood,

0:41:08.556 --> 0:41:11.156
<v Speaker 1>though he didn't tell Katherine why they were meeting up

0:41:11.156 --> 0:41:14.756
<v Speaker 1>with the judge or even who he was. When they

0:41:14.836 --> 0:41:18.516
<v Speaker 1>arrived at the restaurant, they spotted the judge. Bob says

0:41:18.596 --> 0:41:21.476
<v Speaker 1>he looked terrible, like he'd aged fifteen years in the

0:41:21.556 --> 0:41:31.716
<v Speaker 1>last two weeks. Katherine had a similar memory. He looked old, alcoholic, thin, drawn, sad, unhappy.

0:41:32.596 --> 0:41:35.596
<v Speaker 1>They quickly parted ways with Catherine and looked for a

0:41:35.596 --> 0:41:39.956
<v Speaker 1>place to talk. We walked into the bathroom. He turns around,

0:41:40.276 --> 0:41:46.036
<v Speaker 1>he said, you've destroyed me. According to Bob, the judge

0:41:46.036 --> 0:41:48.036
<v Speaker 1>told him that he was going to be crucified in

0:41:48.036 --> 0:41:51.796
<v Speaker 1>the newspapers for this decision, that his days as a

0:41:51.876 --> 0:41:56.916
<v Speaker 1>judge were effectively over. He told Bob, you did this

0:41:56.996 --> 0:42:02.556
<v Speaker 1>to me. At some point, Bob says, he handed him

0:42:02.556 --> 0:42:05.436
<v Speaker 1>an envelope with the money, but he didn't know what

0:42:05.476 --> 0:42:08.876
<v Speaker 1>to say to the judge, Not really, I mean, what

0:42:08.956 --> 0:42:13.276
<v Speaker 1>was there to say? Even smooth talking Bob Cooley was

0:42:13.316 --> 0:42:16.436
<v Speaker 1>at a loss for words, and before he could figure

0:42:16.476 --> 0:42:19.516
<v Speaker 1>it out, the judge just turned around and walked out

0:42:19.556 --> 0:42:23.636
<v Speaker 1>the door. After leaving the bathroom, the judge sat down

0:42:23.756 --> 0:42:26.836
<v Speaker 1>next to Katherine and he said something to her that

0:42:26.996 --> 0:42:30.996
<v Speaker 1>she still remembers very clearly, even now, almost forty five

0:42:31.116 --> 0:42:33.636
<v Speaker 1>years later. The judge looked at me and he said,

0:42:33.716 --> 0:42:36.556
<v Speaker 1>you look like a nice girl. Stay away from him.

0:42:37.196 --> 0:42:41.236
<v Speaker 1>He's bad. It was a very pointed remark. What do

0:42:41.276 --> 0:42:42.876
<v Speaker 1>you make of that when he says it to you

0:42:43.676 --> 0:42:47.556
<v Speaker 1>that he was having a problem with Bob. I just

0:42:47.596 --> 0:42:50.916
<v Speaker 1>slipped him in the eye and let him know that

0:42:50.956 --> 0:42:53.676
<v Speaker 1>I was listening to him. That's it, That's all you

0:42:53.716 --> 0:42:59.596
<v Speaker 1>can do. Bob soon emerged from the bathroom. He glanced

0:42:59.636 --> 0:43:03.876
<v Speaker 1>over saw the judge with Catherine, but he couldn't bring

0:43:03.956 --> 0:43:06.956
<v Speaker 1>himself to join them. He says, he didn't want to

0:43:06.956 --> 0:43:11.316
<v Speaker 1>be there, and so he walked past their table and

0:43:11.476 --> 0:43:45.276
<v Speaker 1>just kept going. Next time on deep Cover, I said,

0:43:45.596 --> 0:43:48.156
<v Speaker 1>if anybody thinks for one second, I'm gonna even take

0:43:48.196 --> 0:43:51.596
<v Speaker 1>a beating, they're thinking wrong, I said. And if I

0:43:51.636 --> 0:43:53.636
<v Speaker 1>think I got a problem with you, I said, You're

0:43:53.636 --> 0:44:18.116
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<v Speaker 1>wherever you listen to podcasts.