1 00:00:15,316 --> 00:00:23,476 Speaker 1: Pushkin Jake Alpern here before we get started, I wanted 2 00:00:23,516 --> 00:00:26,276 Speaker 1: you to know that deep Cover Season two will be 3 00:00:26,356 --> 00:00:31,436 Speaker 1: dropping weekly on Mondays, but the full season is available 4 00:00:31,796 --> 00:00:36,356 Speaker 1: right now ad free for Pushkin Plus subscribers. That's all 5 00:00:36,396 --> 00:00:40,956 Speaker 1: ten episodes right away. Fine Pushkin Plus on the deep 6 00:00:40,996 --> 00:00:53,716 Speaker 1: Cover show page in Apple Podcasts, or at Pushkin dot Fm. 7 00:00:53,756 --> 00:00:59,356 Speaker 1: Previously on deep Cover. By the mid nineteen seventies, Bob 8 00:00:59,436 --> 00:01:02,916 Speaker 1: Cooley had earned a reputation in Chicago as a flashy 9 00:01:02,956 --> 00:01:06,956 Speaker 1: criminal defense lawyer who knew how to win. Sometimes he 10 00:01:06,996 --> 00:01:10,116 Speaker 1: won Fahren Square, but he was also willing to place 11 00:01:10,116 --> 00:01:13,596 Speaker 1: a bribe to get the verdict he wanted. In nineteen 12 00:01:13,676 --> 00:01:17,796 Speaker 1: seventy seven, Bob was approached by Pat Marcy, the mob's 13 00:01:17,836 --> 00:01:21,676 Speaker 1: political czar. Marcy asked him to fix a murder case, 14 00:01:22,036 --> 00:01:25,556 Speaker 1: something that Bob had never done before. And this wasn't 15 00:01:25,596 --> 00:01:28,876 Speaker 1: just any murder case. It was the trial of a 16 00:01:28,916 --> 00:01:35,036 Speaker 1: mob hitman named Harry Alaman. He's like a bantam rooster, 17 00:01:35,396 --> 00:01:39,116 Speaker 1: looks like somebody who if you rubbed up against him, 18 00:01:39,596 --> 00:01:42,556 Speaker 1: you sort of believe. Because he's the razor's edge. Bob 19 00:01:42,636 --> 00:01:44,596 Speaker 1: knew that he needed to get this case into the 20 00:01:44,636 --> 00:01:48,636 Speaker 1: hands of the exact right judge, and according to Bob, 21 00:01:49,076 --> 00:01:56,436 Speaker 1: he had the perfect person in mind. Bob Cooley was 22 00:01:56,436 --> 00:01:59,636 Speaker 1: a guy who seemed to know everyone when he wasn't 23 00:01:59,636 --> 00:02:02,796 Speaker 1: in court. Bob liked to eat out, party, and gamble. 24 00:02:03,516 --> 00:02:06,516 Speaker 1: Sometimes he mixed work with pleasure. He was an off 25 00:02:06,556 --> 00:02:09,956 Speaker 1: the book silent partner of an Italian restaurant, a place 26 00:02:09,956 --> 00:02:13,956 Speaker 1: called Grecos, where he schmoozed with lawyers, judges and clients, 27 00:02:14,636 --> 00:02:18,716 Speaker 1: and sometimes he took the guys he really liked to Vegas. 28 00:02:19,476 --> 00:02:22,716 Speaker 1: Bob gambled so much the casinos would often fly him 29 00:02:22,836 --> 00:02:26,236 Speaker 1: and his friends out on a charter plane. Bob says 30 00:02:26,236 --> 00:02:28,996 Speaker 1: he made one such trip in the mid seventies with 31 00:02:29,156 --> 00:02:32,596 Speaker 1: a judge named Frank Wilson. I should tell you Judge 32 00:02:32,596 --> 00:02:35,436 Speaker 1: Wilson is no longer alive, so I couldn't ask him 33 00:02:35,436 --> 00:02:38,756 Speaker 1: about this trip or get his side of things. But 34 00:02:38,956 --> 00:02:43,236 Speaker 1: according to Bob, he and the judge get out to Vegas, gamble, 35 00:02:43,596 --> 00:02:46,716 Speaker 1: have a good time, part ways at some point, and 36 00:02:46,756 --> 00:02:50,316 Speaker 1: then in the wee hours of the morning they reconnect. 37 00:02:54,396 --> 00:02:56,636 Speaker 1: You're sitting at the bar and there's a girl sitting 38 00:02:56,716 --> 00:02:58,956 Speaker 1: next to him, who I'm assuming as a working girl. 39 00:02:59,556 --> 00:03:01,556 Speaker 1: Bob says that the judge had a bit too much 40 00:03:01,596 --> 00:03:05,156 Speaker 1: to drink that night. So Bob and this quote working 41 00:03:05,196 --> 00:03:09,676 Speaker 1: girl helped the judge back to his room. Afterwards, this 42 00:03:09,716 --> 00:03:13,036 Speaker 1: woman goes back to Bob's room with him. Once there, 43 00:03:13,396 --> 00:03:19,356 Speaker 1: she suggests that they take a shower before you know, so, 44 00:03:20,156 --> 00:03:22,716 Speaker 1: I know, I get naked. I go in there. She's naked. 45 00:03:23,556 --> 00:03:26,076 Speaker 1: When I go in there, I get in the shower. 46 00:03:26,316 --> 00:03:30,996 Speaker 1: She doesn't get in the shower. Okay, I'm in there 47 00:03:31,156 --> 00:03:34,316 Speaker 1: no more than three or four minutes. And now it 48 00:03:34,396 --> 00:03:37,556 Speaker 1: hits me. I got about I don't know how much 49 00:03:37,756 --> 00:03:40,356 Speaker 1: five to six seven thousand in cash in my pocket. 50 00:03:41,156 --> 00:03:43,956 Speaker 1: I had just gotten a big fancy diamond ring not 51 00:03:44,036 --> 00:03:48,396 Speaker 1: that long before. Suddenly I jump out of the shower. 52 00:03:52,596 --> 00:03:55,596 Speaker 1: By the time I get out, she's already out the door, 53 00:03:56,236 --> 00:03:58,316 Speaker 1: because I opened the door and I see her towards 54 00:03:58,316 --> 00:04:03,636 Speaker 1: the elevator, and I'm naked, and I'm running. The moment 55 00:04:03,676 --> 00:04:05,836 Speaker 1: I come out and she's gone. I know, damn well, 56 00:04:05,876 --> 00:04:09,676 Speaker 1: what happened. And I opened the door and I see her, 57 00:04:09,676 --> 00:04:12,356 Speaker 1: and as I say, I'm naked, but I go running 58 00:04:12,436 --> 00:04:14,956 Speaker 1: after her. She gets in the elevator and down she goes. 59 00:04:17,076 --> 00:04:20,836 Speaker 1: Wait seriously, Bob, honestly, you were running naked down the hallway. 60 00:04:21,236 --> 00:04:26,276 Speaker 1: What did I just say? Bob frantically hits the down button. 61 00:04:26,356 --> 00:04:30,356 Speaker 1: In hot pursuit. A new elevator arrives, Bob rushes in. 62 00:04:31,556 --> 00:04:35,396 Speaker 1: I get in there, and there's an old couple, old 63 00:04:35,476 --> 00:04:38,396 Speaker 1: couple standing in there. Like I said, it's about six 64 00:04:38,396 --> 00:04:41,756 Speaker 1: in the morning. Now I just put my hands over 65 00:04:41,836 --> 00:04:46,036 Speaker 1: my schmuck and I don't say a word. A woman, 66 00:04:46,156 --> 00:04:49,396 Speaker 1: especially like as if she, if she could have pushed 67 00:04:49,396 --> 00:04:51,596 Speaker 1: her way out the back of the elevator going down, 68 00:04:51,716 --> 00:04:54,476 Speaker 1: she would have wait. Hold up, Just to be just 69 00:04:54,516 --> 00:04:58,036 Speaker 1: to be totally clear, Bob, you're buck naked in the elevator, 70 00:04:58,196 --> 00:05:02,236 Speaker 1: covering your private ports and there's an elderly couple corned 71 00:05:02,236 --> 00:05:04,756 Speaker 1: over the other far end of the elevator. Not but 72 00:05:04,836 --> 00:05:07,756 Speaker 1: the elevator wasn't that big. We're talking a small elevator, 73 00:05:08,196 --> 00:05:11,476 Speaker 1: probably about three feet behind me. And I turned my back, 74 00:05:11,516 --> 00:05:13,716 Speaker 1: and you know, but I'm covering. I'm covering my shug. 75 00:05:14,076 --> 00:05:16,116 Speaker 1: But now I have to get out of there. And 76 00:05:16,476 --> 00:05:19,036 Speaker 1: were at the ground level, so I run over to 77 00:05:19,076 --> 00:05:21,076 Speaker 1: the poll and I grab a towel and I go 78 00:05:21,156 --> 00:05:23,396 Speaker 1: see the security and I said, I just got robbed. 79 00:05:25,476 --> 00:05:28,356 Speaker 1: I didn't know, but I assumed I got wrapped or 80 00:05:28,396 --> 00:05:30,676 Speaker 1: she wouldn't have been, you know, gone. All my life, 81 00:05:30,716 --> 00:05:34,516 Speaker 1: I've been able to instantaneously, you know, figure things that 82 00:05:34,516 --> 00:05:39,756 Speaker 1: are happening. That's been my nature. Well maybe not instantaneously. 83 00:05:40,156 --> 00:05:43,196 Speaker 1: I mean, she did get away, but you got to 84 00:05:43,196 --> 00:05:46,916 Speaker 1: give Bob an a for effort. Eventually, Bob says, he 85 00:05:46,996 --> 00:05:49,556 Speaker 1: checks in with the judge in the morning. I see 86 00:05:49,596 --> 00:05:54,196 Speaker 1: Frank and Frank is complaining. You know, he had like 87 00:05:54,436 --> 00:05:57,076 Speaker 1: eight nine hundred bucks in his pocket and she robbed him. 88 00:05:57,196 --> 00:06:00,236 Speaker 1: He said, why'd you let her do that? Yeah? Why? 89 00:06:00,716 --> 00:06:03,236 Speaker 1: He said? Why did you let her? Explain the name 90 00:06:03,356 --> 00:06:05,956 Speaker 1: for him getting robbed? But I said, she got me 91 00:06:06,036 --> 00:06:08,836 Speaker 1: for a lot more than she got you. The whole 92 00:06:08,836 --> 00:06:11,196 Speaker 1: thing was like a scene right out of the Hangover. 93 00:06:11,836 --> 00:06:14,796 Speaker 1: It was a classic what happens in Vegas stays in 94 00:06:14,916 --> 00:06:20,076 Speaker 1: Vegas moment. Bob says that he did all this simply 95 00:06:20,116 --> 00:06:22,956 Speaker 1: because he liked to have fun and he valued Frank 96 00:06:22,996 --> 00:06:27,516 Speaker 1: Wilson as a friend. But all of this male bonding 97 00:06:27,636 --> 00:06:32,556 Speaker 1: served another purpose. It built trust, something that Bob might 98 00:06:32,676 --> 00:06:35,876 Speaker 1: use to his own advantage if he ever wanted to, 99 00:06:36,636 --> 00:06:40,396 Speaker 1: which is why in early nineteen seventy seven, when Bob 100 00:06:40,516 --> 00:06:43,916 Speaker 1: was asked to fix a high profile murder case. Bob 101 00:06:43,996 --> 00:06:48,116 Speaker 1: thought of Judge Frank Wilson. Bob says he just knew 102 00:06:48,716 --> 00:06:51,596 Speaker 1: this would be the judge to ask the man to 103 00:06:51,716 --> 00:06:56,116 Speaker 1: take the bribe, and if it worked, if Bob could 104 00:06:56,156 --> 00:06:59,836 Speaker 1: pull this off, he'd prove his worth to Pat Marcy 105 00:07:00,356 --> 00:07:28,876 Speaker 1: and the Mob. He'd be the man in Chicago. I'm 106 00:07:28,996 --> 00:07:35,156 Speaker 1: Jake Halburn and this is Deep Cover mob Land, Episode three. 107 00:07:36,036 --> 00:08:02,316 Speaker 1: The fix Bob's relationship with Judge Wilson. It was complicated, 108 00:08:02,716 --> 00:08:04,916 Speaker 1: and all we have is Bob's version of what it 109 00:08:04,956 --> 00:08:07,636 Speaker 1: was like, which should be taken with a grain of salt, 110 00:08:07,716 --> 00:08:11,516 Speaker 1: because look and stories, Bob tends to be the hero. 111 00:08:12,516 --> 00:08:15,116 Speaker 1: With this in mind, I did some digging and tried 112 00:08:15,156 --> 00:08:19,196 Speaker 1: to figure out exactly who Judge Wilson was. People who 113 00:08:19,316 --> 00:08:22,196 Speaker 1: knew the judge well remember him as a no nonsense 114 00:08:22,236 --> 00:08:25,276 Speaker 1: Irish guy, a World War Two vette who walked with 115 00:08:25,316 --> 00:08:28,156 Speaker 1: a limp and had a reputation for being tough on 116 00:08:28,196 --> 00:08:32,396 Speaker 1: the bench, a serious man. So he walked with a limp. 117 00:08:32,756 --> 00:08:37,316 Speaker 1: Here's crabby, and he was very state minded. That's Bill Murphy. 118 00:08:37,716 --> 00:08:40,756 Speaker 1: He worked as a public defender in Frank Wilson's courtroom. 119 00:08:41,316 --> 00:08:44,076 Speaker 1: He also happened to go to college with Bob, so 120 00:08:44,196 --> 00:08:47,956 Speaker 1: he actually knew both men pretty well. He says that 121 00:08:47,996 --> 00:08:51,756 Speaker 1: in college, Bob was a wild man. I mean, I 122 00:08:51,796 --> 00:08:53,956 Speaker 1: like Bob. He was a good wrestler. When he was 123 00:08:53,956 --> 00:08:57,316 Speaker 1: at college, he was He's good in a fistfight, you know, 124 00:08:57,516 --> 00:09:02,596 Speaker 1: I mean, he just was out of control. By contrast, 125 00:09:02,956 --> 00:09:05,876 Speaker 1: Judge Wilson, or Frank as he calls him, was a 126 00:09:05,956 --> 00:09:09,716 Speaker 1: play by the rules kind of guy. Lawyers would you know, 127 00:09:09,796 --> 00:09:12,036 Speaker 1: come in to say hello to Frank. You know, it 128 00:09:12,116 --> 00:09:16,876 Speaker 1: was pretty congenial. If there were certain lawyers that would 129 00:09:16,916 --> 00:09:21,556 Speaker 1: come into his chambers, he would signal me to come 130 00:09:21,596 --> 00:09:25,716 Speaker 1: in there too, being a witness that no hanky pinky 131 00:09:25,756 --> 00:09:28,556 Speaker 1: was going to go on. Does that make sense to you? 132 00:09:29,196 --> 00:09:32,116 Speaker 1: This made perfect sense to me. This was a city 133 00:09:32,236 --> 00:09:35,836 Speaker 1: and a courthouse plagued by corruption, and Judge Wilson was 134 00:09:35,836 --> 00:09:39,836 Speaker 1: taking precautions, protecting himself and making it clear that he 135 00:09:39,876 --> 00:09:43,956 Speaker 1: was operating above board. Murphy says one time a lawyer 136 00:09:43,996 --> 00:09:47,756 Speaker 1: tried to send Judge Wilson a referral fee. Apparently the 137 00:09:47,876 --> 00:09:50,876 Speaker 1: judge had sent a client his way and lawyer wanted 138 00:09:50,876 --> 00:09:55,556 Speaker 1: to show his thanks. Wilson flat out refused. Apparently, this 139 00:09:55,676 --> 00:09:58,996 Speaker 1: lawyer was still determined to show his gratitude, so he 140 00:09:59,076 --> 00:10:02,276 Speaker 1: sent a case of scotch to Judge Wilson's bailiff. You 141 00:10:02,316 --> 00:10:04,716 Speaker 1: know the guy in the courtroom who says all rise. 142 00:10:05,196 --> 00:10:08,396 Speaker 1: Judge Wilson put the kibosh on this too. He insisted 143 00:10:08,396 --> 00:10:11,636 Speaker 1: that the bailiff returned the case of scotch. In fact, 144 00:10:11,836 --> 00:10:14,516 Speaker 1: he asked Bill Murphy to help move the liquor because 145 00:10:14,516 --> 00:10:18,156 Speaker 1: apparently the bailiff was an older guy and had a disability. 146 00:10:18,636 --> 00:10:21,716 Speaker 1: Frank said to me, he said, we're not taking I'm 147 00:10:21,756 --> 00:10:24,556 Speaker 1: not letting my bailiff take that. He can't carry it 148 00:10:24,556 --> 00:10:26,396 Speaker 1: back to the lawyer's car. Would you do it? And 149 00:10:26,476 --> 00:10:30,596 Speaker 1: I did. Murphy was also now a witness, someone who 150 00:10:30,636 --> 00:10:33,116 Speaker 1: saw the judge had done the right thing and saw 151 00:10:33,196 --> 00:10:35,956 Speaker 1: that the judge didn't want even a whiff of impropriety 152 00:10:35,996 --> 00:10:39,756 Speaker 1: in his courtroom. Bill Murphy told me that's just who 153 00:10:39,836 --> 00:10:44,436 Speaker 1: Frank Wilson was. An honest man. I didn't really have 154 00:10:45,436 --> 00:10:49,676 Speaker 1: you know, illusions about him. He was a very tough father. 155 00:10:50,756 --> 00:10:54,956 Speaker 1: You know. He wasn't telling me it was great all 156 00:10:54,956 --> 00:10:58,356 Speaker 1: the time. It was kind of just the opposite. But 157 00:10:58,516 --> 00:11:02,196 Speaker 1: in spite of all that, I really admired him. That's 158 00:11:02,276 --> 00:11:05,796 Speaker 1: Frank's daughter, mary Anne Duncan. I don't know. He just 159 00:11:05,836 --> 00:11:10,756 Speaker 1: really loved the law. He watched Perry Mason, like every 160 00:11:10,756 --> 00:11:15,076 Speaker 1: single parent Mason about one hundred times. And when he 161 00:11:15,196 --> 00:11:18,796 Speaker 1: became a judge, I don't think I've ever seen anyone 162 00:11:18,956 --> 00:11:22,556 Speaker 1: happier in a job. Marianne says that her dad made 163 00:11:22,596 --> 00:11:25,276 Speaker 1: a comfortable living as a judge. The family always had 164 00:11:25,356 --> 00:11:29,436 Speaker 1: enough money because her dad was frugal, a no frills 165 00:11:29,556 --> 00:11:32,396 Speaker 1: kind of guy. Like when they went on vacation, we 166 00:11:32,436 --> 00:11:37,116 Speaker 1: would say like a Howard Johnson's, but then we would 167 00:11:37,116 --> 00:11:41,436 Speaker 1: go have a drink or something at like the fancy hotel, 168 00:11:42,636 --> 00:11:47,796 Speaker 1: but we'd be back at the more average place. So anyway, 169 00:11:47,916 --> 00:11:52,436 Speaker 1: was never extravagant. She says that her father wasn't driven 170 00:11:52,476 --> 00:11:55,916 Speaker 1: by money and would never take a bribe. Now you 171 00:11:55,996 --> 00:11:58,756 Speaker 1: might be thinking, of course, isn't this what any daughter 172 00:11:58,756 --> 00:12:03,836 Speaker 1: would say, But Marianne was adamant. I thought my father 173 00:12:04,076 --> 00:12:09,836 Speaker 1: did anything wrong, I would admit it, you know, because 174 00:12:09,836 --> 00:12:13,596 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be something I did, you know, it wouldn't 175 00:12:13,636 --> 00:12:17,356 Speaker 1: be my fault. If he did something wrong. Marianne also 176 00:12:17,396 --> 00:12:20,636 Speaker 1: disputes that her dad and Bob Cooley were even friends, 177 00:12:21,196 --> 00:12:23,956 Speaker 1: and in a way, I can see why she says this. 178 00:12:24,516 --> 00:12:27,956 Speaker 1: They seem kind of like opposites. But I can also 179 00:12:28,036 --> 00:12:32,316 Speaker 1: see how Judge Wilson's honorable reputation would be attractive and 180 00:12:32,396 --> 00:12:36,596 Speaker 1: quite useful to a guy like Bob Cooley, especially if 181 00:12:36,636 --> 00:12:39,116 Speaker 1: he wanted to fix a murder case and make it 182 00:12:39,116 --> 00:12:43,756 Speaker 1: all look perfectly legit. Bob says that he also chose 183 00:12:43,876 --> 00:12:46,956 Speaker 1: Judge Wilson in part because he drank too much, and 184 00:12:47,076 --> 00:12:51,396 Speaker 1: this was essentially his achilles heel. When I asked Marianne 185 00:12:51,396 --> 00:12:54,796 Speaker 1: about this, she said her dad did have a drinking problem. 186 00:12:55,116 --> 00:12:57,476 Speaker 1: He would drink to excess for a few weeks, then 187 00:12:57,596 --> 00:13:00,796 Speaker 1: stop and go dry for a spell. The bottom line 188 00:13:00,836 --> 00:13:03,596 Speaker 1: for Bob was he felt if he talked to the 189 00:13:03,676 --> 00:13:07,236 Speaker 1: judge in just the right way, at just the right moment, 190 00:13:07,636 --> 00:13:10,476 Speaker 1: the judge might agree to the bribe. I had no 191 00:13:10,596 --> 00:13:12,716 Speaker 1: idea how I was going to approach until I walked 192 00:13:12,796 --> 00:13:15,076 Speaker 1: up before him. I had no idea what I was 193 00:13:15,076 --> 00:13:18,396 Speaker 1: going to say. I didn't like to prepare something. He 194 00:13:18,476 --> 00:13:21,556 Speaker 1: was just gonna wing it. So here's what Bob says, happened. 195 00:13:22,116 --> 00:13:24,796 Speaker 1: He had this restaurant, Grecos, and he knew that the 196 00:13:24,916 --> 00:13:28,036 Speaker 1: judge liked to dine there. So Bob heads to Grecos 197 00:13:28,076 --> 00:13:34,636 Speaker 1: one night, hoping to bump into the judge. Just so 198 00:13:34,756 --> 00:13:38,076 Speaker 1: you can picture it, Grecos was a huge place, looked 199 00:13:38,076 --> 00:13:41,516 Speaker 1: like a wine seller, adorned with ornamental trellises and vines, 200 00:13:42,116 --> 00:13:46,956 Speaker 1: good home cooked food prepared by Italian ladies from the neighborhood. Anyway, 201 00:13:47,276 --> 00:13:50,316 Speaker 1: Bob shows up and spots the judge sitting with some friends. 202 00:13:50,916 --> 00:13:53,276 Speaker 1: He gets the judge's attention and brings him over to 203 00:13:53,276 --> 00:13:58,556 Speaker 1: a secluded spot. Then, ever so casually, Bob says, Judge, 204 00:13:59,076 --> 00:14:02,476 Speaker 1: somebody contacted me and wants me to handle a case. 205 00:14:04,396 --> 00:14:07,556 Speaker 1: That was the word Bob always used in situations like this, 206 00:14:08,196 --> 00:14:11,876 Speaker 1: handle a case. If he would have said to me anything, 207 00:14:11,956 --> 00:14:15,316 Speaker 1: did he affect that I don't want to talk to 208 00:14:15,356 --> 00:14:18,516 Speaker 1: you about it or whatever? You know, so be it 209 00:14:18,756 --> 00:14:22,876 Speaker 1: and the conversation. But he said something that really struck 210 00:14:22,956 --> 00:14:28,756 Speaker 1: me as bizarre. He said to Bob, you mean the 211 00:14:28,796 --> 00:14:33,116 Speaker 1: Harry Alaman case. Bob was taken aback. It was as 212 00:14:33,116 --> 00:14:35,476 Speaker 1: if the judge knew what Bob was going to ask 213 00:14:35,756 --> 00:14:39,076 Speaker 1: before he even asked it. The judge then told Bob, 214 00:14:39,436 --> 00:14:44,116 Speaker 1: they sojade me on that case. S o j that 215 00:14:44,196 --> 00:14:49,076 Speaker 1: stands for substitution of judge in Illinois, if a case 216 00:14:49,196 --> 00:14:52,116 Speaker 1: is assigned to a judge and for whatever reason, either 217 00:14:52,116 --> 00:14:54,876 Speaker 1: side doesn't like that judge, they have a chance to 218 00:14:54,996 --> 00:14:58,516 Speaker 1: veto him ask for another judge. So that's what Wilson 219 00:14:58,596 --> 00:15:02,356 Speaker 1: was saying to Bob. He'd been so ojade blocked on 220 00:15:02,476 --> 00:15:07,316 Speaker 1: this case. Turns out Harry Alimon's legal team had vetoed Wilson, 221 00:15:07,796 --> 00:15:11,796 Speaker 1: and they've done this almost certainly because of Wilson's tough reputation. 222 00:15:12,596 --> 00:15:15,796 Speaker 1: This was news to Bob, but Bob had a hunch 223 00:15:16,116 --> 00:15:19,716 Speaker 1: that with the Mob's help, they could pull some strings 224 00:15:19,796 --> 00:15:22,476 Speaker 1: and undo this, get the case in front of Wilson, 225 00:15:22,956 --> 00:15:26,396 Speaker 1: in other words, a problem that could be solved. Bob 226 00:15:26,436 --> 00:15:29,996 Speaker 1: just plays it cool. He doesn't say anything right away. Instead, 227 00:15:30,396 --> 00:15:34,036 Speaker 1: he waits. A few nights later. According to Bob, he 228 00:15:34,156 --> 00:15:36,836 Speaker 1: bumps into the judge again and brings up the whole 229 00:15:36,876 --> 00:15:39,916 Speaker 1: matter once more, tells the judge what a weak case 230 00:15:39,916 --> 00:15:43,396 Speaker 1: he thinks this is, and makes his pitch, so I 231 00:15:43,436 --> 00:15:46,516 Speaker 1: can get the case to you, you know, will you 232 00:15:46,596 --> 00:15:49,996 Speaker 1: take it not? Saying to fix it or anything else. 233 00:15:50,476 --> 00:15:52,316 Speaker 1: And he said to me, you can't do it. And 234 00:15:52,356 --> 00:15:55,676 Speaker 1: I said, well, I think we can notice how careful 235 00:15:55,716 --> 00:15:59,756 Speaker 1: Bob is being. He's poking around looking for a soft spot, 236 00:16:00,196 --> 00:16:03,596 Speaker 1: testing whether the judge would even consider this. And Bob 237 00:16:03,676 --> 00:16:07,316 Speaker 1: says the judge isn't giving him a hard no, more 238 00:16:07,356 --> 00:16:12,356 Speaker 1: like a maybe, which is all he needs. Now comes 239 00:16:12,396 --> 00:16:15,396 Speaker 1: the full charm offensive. He invites the judge to dinner 240 00:16:15,396 --> 00:16:19,196 Speaker 1: at his restaurant. Bob's laid out all the groundwork. Now 241 00:16:19,436 --> 00:16:23,716 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of locking him in. About maybe 242 00:16:23,996 --> 00:16:27,396 Speaker 1: fut halfway through dinner, the judge went to the bathroom. 243 00:16:27,796 --> 00:16:31,276 Speaker 1: That's when I thought I will approach him. This would 244 00:16:31,316 --> 00:16:35,476 Speaker 1: be the moment he may be thinking really in the bathroom, 245 00:16:36,116 --> 00:16:38,916 Speaker 1: But as you'll come to see, this was Bob's go 246 00:16:39,076 --> 00:16:43,556 Speaker 1: to place to have discreet conversations. Anyway, Bob says. They 247 00:16:43,596 --> 00:16:46,356 Speaker 1: get to the bathroom and Bob slips his hand into 248 00:16:46,356 --> 00:16:49,956 Speaker 1: his pocket and clutches a wad of cash twenty five 249 00:16:50,036 --> 00:16:54,476 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. I just took it out, and I put 250 00:16:54,556 --> 00:16:57,676 Speaker 1: my hand out, and he put his hand out and 251 00:16:57,676 --> 00:17:01,516 Speaker 1: he took it, and he said, what's this for? And 252 00:17:01,716 --> 00:17:05,236 Speaker 1: I said, judge, you know that's for you. I said, 253 00:17:05,436 --> 00:17:07,836 Speaker 1: if I can't get the case to yousopiate and I 254 00:17:07,916 --> 00:17:12,396 Speaker 1: walked out. It was a shrewd play. Bob knew perfectly 255 00:17:12,436 --> 00:17:15,316 Speaker 1: well that once the judge accepted the money it was 256 00:17:15,356 --> 00:17:19,756 Speaker 1: a done deal. He was corrupted. So for the time being, 257 00:17:20,076 --> 00:17:23,476 Speaker 1: the judge appeared to be on board. Bob had promised 258 00:17:23,556 --> 00:17:26,596 Speaker 1: him that he'd get him ten thousand total once he'd 259 00:17:26,636 --> 00:17:37,196 Speaker 1: quitted Harry Alaman, so that was one problem solved. Not 260 00:17:37,356 --> 00:17:39,996 Speaker 1: long after this, Bob got a call from a mobster 261 00:17:40,116 --> 00:17:43,196 Speaker 1: he knew. He asked Bob to meet at a motel 262 00:17:43,356 --> 00:17:47,276 Speaker 1: out by the airport. When Bob arrives, they head upstairs 263 00:17:47,316 --> 00:17:50,476 Speaker 1: to an empty room. A few minutes later, there's a 264 00:17:50,556 --> 00:17:55,836 Speaker 1: knock on the door and in walks Harry Elaman. Harry 265 00:17:55,956 --> 00:18:01,356 Speaker 1: had stone cold eyes. He just did. He reminded me 266 00:18:01,396 --> 00:18:03,796 Speaker 1: a lot of Pat Marcy. Pat Marcy was the same way, 267 00:18:03,836 --> 00:18:08,996 Speaker 1: but Harry looked pure evil. Apparently there was no mistaking 268 00:18:09,316 --> 00:18:13,156 Speaker 1: who or what this guy was. He looks like what 269 00:18:13,236 --> 00:18:17,156 Speaker 1: he was. He looks like a mobith guy, short, in 270 00:18:17,276 --> 00:18:20,316 Speaker 1: pretty good shape physically. All he's wore a suit. Never 271 00:18:20,356 --> 00:18:23,596 Speaker 1: saw Harry without him in a suit. I wonder if 272 00:18:23,596 --> 00:18:27,956 Speaker 1: he went swimming in a fucking suit. Technically, Bob wasn't 273 00:18:27,996 --> 00:18:31,596 Speaker 1: representing Harry. Harry had a veteran trial lawyer who would 274 00:18:31,596 --> 00:18:34,756 Speaker 1: be arguing the case in the courtroom. Bob was just 275 00:18:34,796 --> 00:18:38,316 Speaker 1: the fixer. But apparently Harry wanted to talk with Bob 276 00:18:38,396 --> 00:18:43,236 Speaker 1: directly about Judge Wilson. According to Bob, Harry was worried, 277 00:18:43,716 --> 00:18:47,636 Speaker 1: worried about the judge's tough reputation, and you can understand 278 00:18:47,716 --> 00:18:50,796 Speaker 1: why Harry might also be a little confused. First, his 279 00:18:50,956 --> 00:18:54,156 Speaker 1: legal team had blocked this judge. Now they were wrangling 280 00:18:54,156 --> 00:18:57,116 Speaker 1: to get into his courtroom, which was kind of weird. 281 00:18:57,596 --> 00:19:01,116 Speaker 1: And apparently Harry wanted to make sure that everything was 282 00:19:01,196 --> 00:19:04,316 Speaker 1: under control. And I said, look, I said yes, I 283 00:19:04,356 --> 00:19:07,396 Speaker 1: said I would handle the case. And that's when he said, 284 00:19:07,636 --> 00:19:11,316 Speaker 1: if there's a problem, you're going to have a problem. 285 00:19:11,396 --> 00:19:13,756 Speaker 1: What does he mean by that, If there's a problem, 286 00:19:13,836 --> 00:19:15,476 Speaker 1: you're going to have a problem, Like, what does that 287 00:19:15,516 --> 00:19:18,516 Speaker 1: actually mean? It means that you're probably going to get killed? 288 00:19:19,156 --> 00:19:24,156 Speaker 1: What I assume it means. Even so, Bob says he 289 00:19:24,196 --> 00:19:28,076 Speaker 1: didn't worry. Everything was going as planned, and the case 290 00:19:28,276 --> 00:19:31,956 Speaker 1: did end up in front of Wilson. It wasn't until 291 00:19:32,036 --> 00:19:49,036 Speaker 1: the trial began that Bob started to panic. By the 292 00:19:49,116 --> 00:19:52,436 Speaker 1: time that Harry Alaman went on trial for murder, it 293 00:19:52,476 --> 00:19:56,196 Speaker 1: was already a full blown media spectacle. Harry showed up 294 00:19:56,196 --> 00:19:59,236 Speaker 1: in court dressed to the nines with all the panash 295 00:19:59,316 --> 00:20:01,836 Speaker 1: of a celebrity. He even looked a bit like a 296 00:20:01,916 --> 00:20:05,756 Speaker 1: young al pacino, sporting a series of silk ties and 297 00:20:05,876 --> 00:20:09,716 Speaker 1: perfectly tailored suits. The way the media described him, it 298 00:20:09,796 --> 00:20:13,076 Speaker 1: was like the Grim Reaper had gone shopping at Barney's. 299 00:20:13,636 --> 00:20:16,756 Speaker 1: Right off the bat, Harry's defense team tells the judge 300 00:20:16,956 --> 00:20:19,476 Speaker 1: that they're giving up their right to a trial by jury. 301 00:20:20,156 --> 00:20:23,796 Speaker 1: Now some defendants like juries see them as more sympathetic, 302 00:20:24,036 --> 00:20:27,876 Speaker 1: which makes sense, unless, of course, you've bribed the judge. 303 00:20:28,356 --> 00:20:31,516 Speaker 1: Then you want a bench trial because in a bench trial, 304 00:20:31,676 --> 00:20:35,276 Speaker 1: well it's all up to the judge. With that matter settled, 305 00:20:35,516 --> 00:20:38,596 Speaker 1: the trial begins. The first witness to be called to 306 00:20:38,636 --> 00:20:41,836 Speaker 1: the stand was from the family of the victim, Billy Logan, 307 00:20:42,316 --> 00:20:45,996 Speaker 1: his sister you know her as Aunt Betty. The famous 308 00:20:46,076 --> 00:20:50,796 Speaker 1: Chicago columnist Mike Royko captured the scene. He described Harry's 309 00:20:50,836 --> 00:20:54,196 Speaker 1: reaction as the Logan sisters testified about the death of 310 00:20:54,236 --> 00:20:58,956 Speaker 1: their brother. He wrote, quote, Harry just sat there, looking 311 00:20:58,996 --> 00:21:02,756 Speaker 1: as cool and impassive as he has throughout. If being 312 00:21:02,996 --> 00:21:07,756 Speaker 1: unjustly accused is a nightmarish experience, he's holding up about 313 00:21:07,756 --> 00:21:11,716 Speaker 1: as well as anyone could. Turns out, this cool and 314 00:21:11,796 --> 00:21:15,756 Speaker 1: impassive appearance. It was very deliberate on Harry's part. It 315 00:21:15,876 --> 00:21:18,836 Speaker 1: was a whole way of being, and Harry's family had 316 00:21:18,876 --> 00:21:22,916 Speaker 1: to follow it. Frankie for Leano, his daughter, remembers this, well, 317 00:21:25,356 --> 00:21:27,396 Speaker 1: if I don't care what they say to me, I 318 00:21:27,436 --> 00:21:29,756 Speaker 1: don't care what they do to me. You are just 319 00:21:29,796 --> 00:21:33,796 Speaker 1: show no emotion, get up and walk away from these reporters. 320 00:21:33,836 --> 00:21:41,596 Speaker 1: Don't give anybody any satisfaction. Okay, let's talk about motive. 321 00:21:42,316 --> 00:21:45,476 Speaker 1: This was a hole in the prosecution's case which they 322 00:21:45,516 --> 00:21:49,596 Speaker 1: never really addressed in a satisfying way. There were reports 323 00:21:49,596 --> 00:21:52,156 Speaker 1: in the press that Billy Logan may have been murdered 324 00:21:52,156 --> 00:21:56,396 Speaker 1: because he refused to help the mob in a hijacking scheme. Now, 325 00:21:56,596 --> 00:22:00,676 Speaker 1: if you recall, Billy was a teamster in theory. He 326 00:22:00,756 --> 00:22:04,156 Speaker 1: had access to all kinds of information about trucks, when 327 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:07,956 Speaker 1: they arrived, when they departed, what they were carrying. The 328 00:22:08,076 --> 00:22:12,316 Speaker 1: mob apparently wanted this info, Billy said no, and well 329 00:22:12,636 --> 00:22:15,876 Speaker 1: he ended up dead because of it. That was one 330 00:22:15,996 --> 00:22:19,676 Speaker 1: theory anyway. I say theory because Billy was dead so 331 00:22:19,756 --> 00:22:22,676 Speaker 1: he couldn't talk, and the mob well didn't exactly have 332 00:22:22,716 --> 00:22:25,956 Speaker 1: a pr guide to comment, so theory was all there 333 00:22:26,156 --> 00:22:30,556 Speaker 1: was without a clear cut motive. The heart of the 334 00:22:30,596 --> 00:22:35,156 Speaker 1: prosecution's case was the testimony of not one, but two 335 00:22:35,236 --> 00:22:39,476 Speaker 1: witnesses to the crime. The first was Harry Alaman's accomplice, 336 00:22:39,676 --> 00:22:43,836 Speaker 1: the driver of the getaway car, Louis Almeida, a childhood 337 00:22:43,876 --> 00:22:49,156 Speaker 1: friend of Harry's. Louise testimony was pretty damning. Louis recalled 338 00:22:49,156 --> 00:22:51,676 Speaker 1: the knight of the murder, how they'd driven over to 339 00:22:51,716 --> 00:22:54,916 Speaker 1: Billy's house, how Harry had yelled out the car window 340 00:22:54,956 --> 00:23:00,716 Speaker 1: to get Billy's attention and then shot him twice, he said, 341 00:23:00,756 --> 00:23:04,396 Speaker 1: five or six seconds past, and then Harry shot Billy 342 00:23:04,556 --> 00:23:08,316 Speaker 1: a third and final time. Louis said he started to 343 00:23:08,316 --> 00:23:13,316 Speaker 1: speed away, but Harry told him, quote, drive slow, he's gone. 344 00:23:14,236 --> 00:23:20,836 Speaker 1: It was a chilling account of a professional murder. The 345 00:23:20,956 --> 00:23:23,716 Speaker 1: problem with Louis as a witness is that he was 346 00:23:23,756 --> 00:23:26,756 Speaker 1: serving a ten year federal sentence on a weapon's charge. 347 00:23:27,196 --> 00:23:29,996 Speaker 1: He was testifying, at least in part to get his 348 00:23:30,036 --> 00:23:34,356 Speaker 1: sentence reduced. In the end, the whole trial really came 349 00:23:34,396 --> 00:23:38,156 Speaker 1: down to the second witness, Robert Lowe. This is the 350 00:23:38,156 --> 00:23:41,756 Speaker 1: guy who told Betty I saw it all, the guy 351 00:23:41,796 --> 00:23:44,636 Speaker 1: who'd been out walking his dog when Billy Logan got shot. 352 00:23:45,196 --> 00:23:48,396 Speaker 1: A guy who had absolutely nothing to gain and everything 353 00:23:48,436 --> 00:23:52,276 Speaker 1: to lose by testifying, and you know it's the seventies. 354 00:23:52,796 --> 00:23:57,036 Speaker 1: He was a young guy, very impressionable, and I think 355 00:23:57,076 --> 00:24:01,476 Speaker 1: that did carry the day. That's Maurice Posley. He's a 356 00:24:01,476 --> 00:24:04,716 Speaker 1: former Chicago journalist who wrote a book about Robert Lowe 357 00:24:04,756 --> 00:24:08,876 Speaker 1: and this trial. It's called Everybody Pays. It really boiled 358 00:24:08,876 --> 00:24:13,756 Speaker 1: down to Bob low and whether you believed Bob Lowe, 359 00:24:14,356 --> 00:24:18,756 Speaker 1: and he was very believable. Basically, Poseley says that Robert 360 00:24:18,756 --> 00:24:21,356 Speaker 1: Lowe is the star of the show. Everyone knew it 361 00:24:21,516 --> 00:24:24,676 Speaker 1: from the moment Robert Lowe entered the courthouse, because he 362 00:24:24,756 --> 00:24:28,236 Speaker 1: was surrounded by guards all with their guns drawn. It 363 00:24:28,276 --> 00:24:31,276 Speaker 1: was like the President had arrived or something. And in 364 00:24:31,276 --> 00:24:34,396 Speaker 1: a way it was no less momentous. Here was a 365 00:24:34,476 --> 00:24:39,116 Speaker 1: regular guy, father of four, working stiff, don't forget dog 366 00:24:39,116 --> 00:24:43,036 Speaker 1: owner who'd volunteered to take on the mob and thus 367 00:24:43,036 --> 00:24:46,316 Speaker 1: far he had not been killed. That was like being 368 00:24:46,316 --> 00:24:49,876 Speaker 1: in downtown Chicago and seeing Bigfoot with a red sox 369 00:24:49,916 --> 00:24:54,756 Speaker 1: hat on Maurice Poseley. He points out, this didn't just happen. 370 00:24:55,356 --> 00:24:58,036 Speaker 1: Robert Low didn't just wake up one morning, make a 371 00:24:58,076 --> 00:25:01,316 Speaker 1: cup of foldiers, look in the mirror and say, you 372 00:25:01,396 --> 00:25:03,556 Speaker 1: know what, I think I'm going to testify against that 373 00:25:03,596 --> 00:25:09,076 Speaker 1: really scary hitman today. No, the prosecutors told Robert basically 374 00:25:09,516 --> 00:25:13,076 Speaker 1: that he had a chance to do the impossible, put 375 00:25:13,116 --> 00:25:16,676 Speaker 1: a mob hitman behind bars from murder. They laid it 376 00:25:16,756 --> 00:25:21,516 Speaker 1: on thick, this was an opportunity that rarely came long 377 00:25:21,676 --> 00:25:25,356 Speaker 1: for men such as them to actually get a conviction 378 00:25:25,396 --> 00:25:27,916 Speaker 1: in these cases, and that this guy was the lynchpin, 379 00:25:27,996 --> 00:25:31,916 Speaker 1: and so he became sort of, you know, their darling. 380 00:25:31,996 --> 00:25:34,876 Speaker 1: You might say, we'll take care of you, will give 381 00:25:34,916 --> 00:25:37,356 Speaker 1: you a new identity. You're going to have to change 382 00:25:37,356 --> 00:25:40,036 Speaker 1: your life, you're going to have to move, but it's 383 00:25:40,356 --> 00:25:44,156 Speaker 1: going to be an opportunity for you. And they impressed 384 00:25:44,196 --> 00:25:48,116 Speaker 1: upon him his value to them, which was sort of 385 00:25:48,196 --> 00:25:50,636 Speaker 1: not just a personal value, but it was a value 386 00:25:50,636 --> 00:25:53,596 Speaker 1: to the society at large of what he was doing 387 00:25:53,636 --> 00:25:57,316 Speaker 1: as a public service, but that's not all. In his book, 388 00:25:57,436 --> 00:26:01,356 Speaker 1: Posley recounts a scene where Robert is told by prosecutors 389 00:26:01,436 --> 00:26:05,156 Speaker 1: that he might be in danger. The subtext was clear, 390 00:26:05,836 --> 00:26:09,076 Speaker 1: sign up with us, do your part, and you'll be safe. 391 00:26:09,476 --> 00:26:11,916 Speaker 1: Do this for the good of your wife and your kids. 392 00:26:12,396 --> 00:26:20,076 Speaker 1: So yeah, just a little bit of pressure. At the 393 00:26:20,116 --> 00:26:23,156 Speaker 1: court house, he took the witness stand and began to 394 00:26:23,196 --> 00:26:25,996 Speaker 1: recount what he'd seen that night. He had been taking 395 00:26:25,996 --> 00:26:28,596 Speaker 1: his dog for a walk when he saw Billy Logan 396 00:26:28,756 --> 00:26:31,396 Speaker 1: come out of his house. Robert began to cross the 397 00:26:31,396 --> 00:26:34,156 Speaker 1: street so he could chat with Billy. Then a car 398 00:26:34,236 --> 00:26:39,316 Speaker 1: pulled up. Robert testified that he heard a bang, and 399 00:26:39,316 --> 00:26:41,836 Speaker 1: then he saw Logan's body fly back about four or 400 00:26:41,876 --> 00:26:45,076 Speaker 1: five feet into some bushes. He then heard another bang. 401 00:26:46,676 --> 00:26:50,276 Speaker 1: Moments later, the car door opened and an armed man emerged. 402 00:26:51,116 --> 00:26:54,756 Speaker 1: Robert said his dog, Ginger, lunged at the man. He 403 00:26:54,836 --> 00:26:58,236 Speaker 1: had to hold Ginger back. Then he made eye contact 404 00:26:58,236 --> 00:27:10,316 Speaker 1: with the killer for four full seconds. Then came the 405 00:27:10,356 --> 00:27:14,076 Speaker 1: most dramatic moment in the whole trial. The prosecutor said, 406 00:27:14,556 --> 00:27:17,636 Speaker 1: mister Lowe, I'd like you to look around the courtroom 407 00:27:17,956 --> 00:27:20,476 Speaker 1: and see if you can see that man in court today. 408 00:27:21,716 --> 00:27:25,516 Speaker 1: That's when Robert raises his hand and points directly at Harry. 409 00:27:26,196 --> 00:27:29,476 Speaker 1: The prosecutor then says, let the record indicate that the 410 00:27:29,516 --> 00:27:39,996 Speaker 1: witness has identified the defendant Harry Alaman. Robert's wife, who 411 00:27:40,076 --> 00:27:42,956 Speaker 1: was seated on a front row bench, heaved an audible 412 00:27:43,076 --> 00:27:46,356 Speaker 1: sigh of relief. It was as if, after all of 413 00:27:46,356 --> 00:27:51,076 Speaker 1: these weeks and months and years of living with this nightmare, maybe, 414 00:27:51,516 --> 00:27:56,156 Speaker 1: just maybe it was finally over. During the cross examination, 415 00:27:56,356 --> 00:27:59,036 Speaker 1: the defense did its best to poke holes in Robert's 416 00:27:59,036 --> 00:28:03,356 Speaker 1: credibility and its testimony. They focused on inconsistencies in what 417 00:28:03,436 --> 00:28:07,436 Speaker 1: he told the authorities, mainly small details like whether or 418 00:28:07,476 --> 00:28:11,516 Speaker 1: not the getaway car had bucket seats. They said, in effect, 419 00:28:11,756 --> 00:28:15,076 Speaker 1: his story at trial didn't match up exactly with what 420 00:28:15,116 --> 00:28:21,036 Speaker 1: he'd told investigators previously. The defense attorney pressed on relentlessly. 421 00:28:21,316 --> 00:28:25,316 Speaker 1: He questioned Robert's memory, hammering away in particular at the 422 00:28:25,356 --> 00:28:27,836 Speaker 1: idea that he'd stared at the killer for a full 423 00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:30,596 Speaker 1: four seconds. I'm going to read you a portion of 424 00:28:30,596 --> 00:28:35,436 Speaker 1: his cross examination. Defense, how was this man dress that 425 00:28:35,476 --> 00:28:39,316 Speaker 1: you stared at for four seconds? Robert, I was looking 426 00:28:39,356 --> 00:28:43,476 Speaker 1: at his face? Defense, Well, it was a brightly lighted area. 427 00:28:43,956 --> 00:28:49,356 Speaker 1: Was bright enough to see good, wasn't it, mister witness Robert, Yes, sir, Defense, 428 00:28:49,596 --> 00:28:53,236 Speaker 1: And you can't tell the court what the man was wearing, Robert, 429 00:28:53,916 --> 00:28:57,516 Speaker 1: I wasn't looking at anything but his face. Defense. Was 430 00:28:57,556 --> 00:29:02,716 Speaker 1: he wearing a sweater? Robert I didn't notice. Defense. Was 431 00:29:02,756 --> 00:29:07,596 Speaker 1: he wearing a coat? Robert I don't know, sir, Defense. 432 00:29:08,316 --> 00:29:13,356 Speaker 1: Was he wearing a breaker? Robert, I don't know, sir, Defense. 433 00:29:14,116 --> 00:29:17,036 Speaker 1: You want the court to believe that you stared at 434 00:29:17,036 --> 00:29:19,836 Speaker 1: a man for four seconds and you can't tell him 435 00:29:19,876 --> 00:29:24,396 Speaker 1: one thing as to his apparel. Prosecutor objection Judge. Judge 436 00:29:24,476 --> 00:29:27,916 Speaker 1: overruled Robert. All I had in my mind on was 437 00:29:27,956 --> 00:29:31,316 Speaker 1: his face. I'll never forget that face as long as 438 00:29:31,316 --> 00:29:38,196 Speaker 1: I live. The good news for Robert was that most 439 00:29:38,196 --> 00:29:42,196 Speaker 1: of his testimony was corroborated by other witnesses. His account 440 00:29:42,276 --> 00:29:45,516 Speaker 1: matched up with what Louis Almeida, the accomplice, had described. 441 00:29:45,836 --> 00:29:48,196 Speaker 1: It also matched up with what Aunt Bettie had said. 442 00:29:48,956 --> 00:29:52,036 Speaker 1: At some point, there was a brief recess, and there 443 00:29:52,156 --> 00:29:55,556 Speaker 1: was this moment captured by a local reporter. One of 444 00:29:55,556 --> 00:29:59,596 Speaker 1: the victim's sisters approached Robert. Lowe's wife, grabbed her hand, 445 00:30:00,316 --> 00:30:04,956 Speaker 1: then told her tearfully what your husband's doing. It can't 446 00:30:04,956 --> 00:30:07,956 Speaker 1: bring Billy back, but maybe it'll stop them from doing 447 00:30:07,956 --> 00:30:11,996 Speaker 1: this to anybody else. The scene made the papers. It 448 00:30:12,036 --> 00:30:14,916 Speaker 1: seemed to capture the human drama that was unfolding here, 449 00:30:15,436 --> 00:30:18,916 Speaker 1: a reunion of neighbors. Once upon a time they waved 450 00:30:18,956 --> 00:30:22,396 Speaker 1: friendly hellos across the street, and now one family was 451 00:30:22,516 --> 00:30:25,276 Speaker 1: risking everything so that the other might have a shot 452 00:30:25,316 --> 00:30:28,276 Speaker 1: at justice. It was the kind of story that could 453 00:30:28,276 --> 00:30:31,996 Speaker 1: make people care, see this is just not another mob murder, 454 00:30:32,396 --> 00:30:37,836 Speaker 1: but a parable about courage and family and community. The 455 00:30:37,956 --> 00:30:42,796 Speaker 1: newspapers covered each day's proceedings ravenously. It was a media circus, 456 00:30:43,236 --> 00:30:46,516 Speaker 1: and at the center of this was Judge Frank Wilson. 457 00:30:47,116 --> 00:30:50,116 Speaker 1: His daughter mary Anne told me that the press camped 458 00:30:50,116 --> 00:30:52,756 Speaker 1: out on their front lawn, that they hounded her father 459 00:30:52,836 --> 00:30:57,316 Speaker 1: with questions and her too. It was relentless. Everyone was 460 00:30:57,396 --> 00:31:21,076 Speaker 1: angling for a clue. How would the judge rule? To 461 00:31:21,316 --> 00:31:25,236 Speaker 1: local media in Chicago, the trial of Harry Alman was 462 00:31:25,276 --> 00:31:28,316 Speaker 1: the gift that kept on giving. Every day offered new 463 00:31:28,396 --> 00:31:32,436 Speaker 1: storylines that enticed readers and soul papers. I was still 464 00:31:32,436 --> 00:31:35,356 Speaker 1: living with my mother and I was commuting on the 465 00:31:35,356 --> 00:31:38,036 Speaker 1: train because I was on the south Side, and so 466 00:31:38,116 --> 00:31:40,076 Speaker 1: every day I was reading the paper on the train 467 00:31:40,476 --> 00:31:43,356 Speaker 1: and there was this trial going on day after day. 468 00:31:43,756 --> 00:31:46,516 Speaker 1: This is Katherine Fleming, one of the many women who 469 00:31:46,556 --> 00:31:49,516 Speaker 1: worked for Bob over the years. At the time of 470 00:31:49,516 --> 00:31:53,756 Speaker 1: the trial, she was his trusted secretary, and well, I'll 471 00:31:53,796 --> 00:31:57,196 Speaker 1: just let her explain their relationship. You know, he was nice, 472 00:31:57,396 --> 00:32:00,716 Speaker 1: we liked each other, We worked together easily. There was 473 00:32:00,756 --> 00:32:04,796 Speaker 1: an attraction. So yeah, it was easy. It was easy. 474 00:32:05,036 --> 00:32:08,796 Speaker 1: It was easy, it was fun. Katherine dated Bob on 475 00:32:08,836 --> 00:32:11,636 Speaker 1: and off for about twenty years and what was largely 476 00:32:11,676 --> 00:32:15,996 Speaker 1: a commitment free relationship. They were very close, but she 477 00:32:16,036 --> 00:32:18,476 Speaker 1: says she didn't know the ins and outs of how 478 00:32:18,516 --> 00:32:22,116 Speaker 1: Bob operated. Yeah, I'm not sure. I really didn't know 479 00:32:22,156 --> 00:32:26,196 Speaker 1: what he was doing. I was not part of any 480 00:32:26,236 --> 00:32:30,876 Speaker 1: client meetings ever, so I had no sense of what 481 00:32:30,916 --> 00:32:34,916 Speaker 1: he was or wasn't doing other than getting criminals off, 482 00:32:35,436 --> 00:32:38,316 Speaker 1: for instance. Even though she was reading about the Harry 483 00:32:38,316 --> 00:32:41,476 Speaker 1: Alaman trial every day on our way to work, she 484 00:32:41,556 --> 00:32:43,956 Speaker 1: had no idea that Bob was involved in this case. 485 00:32:44,516 --> 00:32:47,996 Speaker 1: He never let it slip, not at work, not in bed, 486 00:32:48,596 --> 00:32:51,476 Speaker 1: not ever. Bob kept all of his dealings in this 487 00:32:51,516 --> 00:32:54,476 Speaker 1: case very hush hush. The best thing he could do, 488 00:32:54,516 --> 00:32:57,796 Speaker 1: in fact, was stay away from everyone involved. So he 489 00:32:57,836 --> 00:33:00,556 Speaker 1: says he wasn't thrilled when during the thick of the 490 00:33:00,596 --> 00:33:04,196 Speaker 1: trial he got a call from Judge Wilson himself. I 491 00:33:04,316 --> 00:33:07,636 Speaker 1: get a phone call from the judge. He called me 492 00:33:07,676 --> 00:33:10,596 Speaker 1: from a pay phone over there by twenty sixth Street. 493 00:33:11,236 --> 00:33:13,356 Speaker 1: He calls and he says, you know, can I meet 494 00:33:13,396 --> 00:33:15,596 Speaker 1: He wanted to meet me at the at a restaurant 495 00:33:15,636 --> 00:33:18,916 Speaker 1: over on Ciero. According to Bob, he shows up at 496 00:33:18,956 --> 00:33:22,276 Speaker 1: the restaurant, sees the judge and together they head off 497 00:33:22,316 --> 00:33:26,076 Speaker 1: to yep, you guessed it, the bathroom. And he's like, 498 00:33:26,836 --> 00:33:31,396 Speaker 1: he's like shaking, He's like all nervous. What's matter? And 499 00:33:31,476 --> 00:33:33,116 Speaker 1: I said, Judge, you know, look, you know what what 500 00:33:33,196 --> 00:33:36,476 Speaker 1: can I tell you? Now? I am nervous, you know, 501 00:33:36,556 --> 00:33:39,916 Speaker 1: and there's nothing I can do about it. And I said, well, Judge, hey, 502 00:33:39,956 --> 00:33:42,756 Speaker 1: you know what can I tell you if something goes wrong? 503 00:33:42,796 --> 00:33:45,236 Speaker 1: I said, I've got a problem. And I had no 504 00:33:45,316 --> 00:33:48,116 Speaker 1: idea what he would do now myself, because he might 505 00:33:48,116 --> 00:33:51,516 Speaker 1: find him guilty. I mean, that's with making me nervous 506 00:33:51,556 --> 00:33:54,516 Speaker 1: because it sounds like maybe he's gonna say forget about it. 507 00:33:54,596 --> 00:33:58,196 Speaker 1: I don't know what he's going to do, Jake. I 508 00:33:58,236 --> 00:34:00,556 Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna do tomorrow. I don't know 509 00:34:00,596 --> 00:34:03,116 Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. What would happen if he found 510 00:34:03,156 --> 00:34:09,916 Speaker 1: him guilty? I'd probably wind up getting killed. Bob was 511 00:34:09,956 --> 00:34:12,596 Speaker 1: a bit shaken, but he did his best to calm 512 00:34:12,596 --> 00:34:15,516 Speaker 1: the judge down, assure him that everything would be all right. 513 00:34:16,556 --> 00:34:19,676 Speaker 1: And it turns out Bob did have an idea how 514 00:34:19,716 --> 00:34:23,236 Speaker 1: he might fix things or make them better. He says 515 00:34:23,236 --> 00:34:25,716 Speaker 1: that at one point the judge it complained about how 516 00:34:25,756 --> 00:34:28,756 Speaker 1: much money he was being paid, So Bob decided to 517 00:34:28,796 --> 00:34:30,996 Speaker 1: go back to Pat Marcy and see if they could 518 00:34:31,036 --> 00:34:33,876 Speaker 1: up the bribe offer more than just the ten thousand. 519 00:34:34,596 --> 00:34:37,836 Speaker 1: So Bob paid a visit to Counselor's row and found 520 00:34:37,916 --> 00:34:41,356 Speaker 1: Pat Marcy. The mob's politicals are the guy with the 521 00:34:41,396 --> 00:34:44,396 Speaker 1: tinted glasses. We walked out into the hall and I said, 522 00:34:45,116 --> 00:34:48,356 Speaker 1: he's a nervous wreck. Well he better doing you? I said, 523 00:34:48,396 --> 00:34:51,676 Speaker 1: you should we offer him some more? Should we offer 524 00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,596 Speaker 1: him some more? And he says he said he'd do 525 00:34:54,636 --> 00:34:56,876 Speaker 1: it for ten. It better be done for ten. That 526 00:34:56,956 --> 00:35:01,876 Speaker 1: saw not a nickel more that ratt and sib and 527 00:35:02,116 --> 00:35:05,876 Speaker 1: that was it. There was nothing more that Bob could do. 528 00:35:10,436 --> 00:35:13,356 Speaker 1: The trial drew to a close in late May of 529 00:35:13,476 --> 00:35:16,996 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven. Bob, by his own admission, was a 530 00:35:17,036 --> 00:35:20,596 Speaker 1: nervous wreck. So the night before the verdict was announced, 531 00:35:20,876 --> 00:35:24,556 Speaker 1: Bob did well what Bob always liked to do. He 532 00:35:24,636 --> 00:35:28,396 Speaker 1: hit the town kind of like a last hurrah. I 533 00:35:28,436 --> 00:35:31,116 Speaker 1: went to my restaurant, I went to the nightclubs, a 534 00:35:31,156 --> 00:35:34,556 Speaker 1: couple of nightclubs. I was out until about met maybe 535 00:35:34,596 --> 00:35:37,716 Speaker 1: about three or four o'clock in the morning. I went 536 00:35:37,756 --> 00:35:40,716 Speaker 1: home with one of my sweethearts. When we got up 537 00:35:40,756 --> 00:35:44,076 Speaker 1: in the morning, I packed a couple of bags. That's 538 00:35:44,076 --> 00:35:46,796 Speaker 1: when I said, well, just in case there's a problem, 539 00:35:46,796 --> 00:35:49,196 Speaker 1: I'm getting the hell out of here, Bob says the 540 00:35:49,276 --> 00:35:52,396 Speaker 1: next morning, he got on the highway and headed west. 541 00:35:53,036 --> 00:35:56,716 Speaker 1: Had no idea where he was going, just away from Chicago, 542 00:35:57,316 --> 00:36:01,036 Speaker 1: because he knew if the verdict was guilty, he'd be 543 00:36:01,076 --> 00:36:07,556 Speaker 1: on the hook. Pat Marcy would hold him accountable. Meanwhile, 544 00:36:07,756 --> 00:36:11,396 Speaker 1: back in Chicago, it was standing room only in the courtroom. 545 00:36:12,236 --> 00:36:14,956 Speaker 1: It seemed like the whole city was hanging on the outcome. 546 00:36:15,516 --> 00:36:18,996 Speaker 1: What would Judge Wilson do? Did he have enough reasonable 547 00:36:18,996 --> 00:36:21,756 Speaker 1: doubt to acquit or would he send a hitman to 548 00:36:21,876 --> 00:36:24,236 Speaker 1: jail for murder for the first time and as long 549 00:36:24,276 --> 00:36:28,116 Speaker 1: as anyone could remember. The judge began his statement by 550 00:36:28,156 --> 00:36:32,156 Speaker 1: issuing a stern warning. He said, quote, all right, ladies 551 00:36:32,196 --> 00:36:35,316 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, it's now time for the finding by this court. 552 00:36:35,836 --> 00:36:38,636 Speaker 1: When I announced my decision, I will not tolerate any 553 00:36:38,636 --> 00:36:42,876 Speaker 1: outbursts by anybody in this courtroom. He then explained that 554 00:36:42,916 --> 00:36:45,996 Speaker 1: in his tenure as a judge, he'd presided in over 555 00:36:46,036 --> 00:36:50,676 Speaker 1: a thousand cases, some tough, some easy. He'd even sentenced 556 00:36:50,676 --> 00:36:54,436 Speaker 1: two men to the electric chair. Although this case has 557 00:36:54,516 --> 00:36:57,516 Speaker 1: created a certain amount of public interest, it is not 558 00:36:57,676 --> 00:37:01,596 Speaker 1: a particularly difficult one, he told the courtroom. It all 559 00:37:01,636 --> 00:37:04,396 Speaker 1: came down to the credibility of the two eye witnesses, 560 00:37:04,516 --> 00:37:08,316 Speaker 1: he explained. The judge said he was required by law 561 00:37:08,556 --> 00:37:12,276 Speaker 1: to view the accomplices testimony with suspicion because he was 562 00:37:12,316 --> 00:37:15,916 Speaker 1: an accessory to the murder. The judge gave more credence 563 00:37:15,956 --> 00:37:19,796 Speaker 1: to the testimony of Robert Lowe, but he wasn't entirely 564 00:37:19,836 --> 00:37:23,556 Speaker 1: won over by it either. He pointed out some discrepancies 565 00:37:23,596 --> 00:37:26,476 Speaker 1: between what Robert said on the stand and what he 566 00:37:26,596 --> 00:37:31,676 Speaker 1: told investigators prior to that. The judge went on to say, quote, 567 00:37:32,196 --> 00:37:34,756 Speaker 1: my job here is not to say whether the defendant 568 00:37:34,796 --> 00:37:36,876 Speaker 1: is innocent, and I do not say at this time 569 00:37:36,916 --> 00:37:41,076 Speaker 1: that he is innocent. That is between him and his God. 570 00:37:42,476 --> 00:37:44,676 Speaker 1: That's the moment that made it into all the papers, 571 00:37:45,036 --> 00:37:48,756 Speaker 1: the moment when everyone seemed to understand where exactly this 572 00:37:48,876 --> 00:37:57,916 Speaker 1: was headed. Johannes and Tanello, the niece of the victim, 573 00:37:57,956 --> 00:38:02,636 Speaker 1: remembers this moment vividly because I remember my mom squeezing 574 00:38:02,716 --> 00:38:09,436 Speaker 1: my hand and she started to cry, and he said, 575 00:38:09,436 --> 00:38:11,476 Speaker 1: how could this be? How could it be that he's 576 00:38:11,476 --> 00:38:14,796 Speaker 1: saying this is between him and his God. I think 577 00:38:14,836 --> 00:38:18,516 Speaker 1: everybody was just stunned and it wasn't making any sense. 578 00:38:19,916 --> 00:38:24,316 Speaker 1: The judge continued, my decision may not be a popular one, 579 00:38:24,836 --> 00:38:27,636 Speaker 1: but for those who disagree, I wish to state that 580 00:38:27,716 --> 00:38:31,636 Speaker 1: every defendant, and I mean every defendant, no matter who 581 00:38:31,676 --> 00:38:35,596 Speaker 1: he might be, is entitled to a fair trial. With 582 00:38:35,636 --> 00:38:39,716 Speaker 1: all of this in mind, the judge concluded, I find 583 00:38:39,796 --> 00:38:43,476 Speaker 1: the state has fallen far short of their burden of 584 00:38:43,596 --> 00:38:48,076 Speaker 1: proving the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There was 585 00:38:48,116 --> 00:38:53,236 Speaker 1: an uproar for Harry's daughter, Frankie. There was no immediate 586 00:38:53,356 --> 00:38:57,516 Speaker 1: joy or even relief. It was just like, I don't 587 00:38:57,516 --> 00:39:00,436 Speaker 1: even know. I was just numb. That was just numb. 588 00:39:01,476 --> 00:39:03,796 Speaker 1: My mom was next to me and just staying there, 589 00:39:03,796 --> 00:39:07,276 Speaker 1: and my Mom's like, it's okay, It's gonna be okay. 590 00:39:07,676 --> 00:39:10,876 Speaker 1: Harry eventually made his way out of the courtroom, walked 591 00:39:10,876 --> 00:39:15,556 Speaker 1: away a freeman, all the while the news cameraman clicked away. 592 00:39:15,956 --> 00:39:19,836 Speaker 1: It was an iconic moment. Here's Maurice Poseley, the journalist, 593 00:39:20,396 --> 00:39:25,276 Speaker 1: the image of Harry walking out of the courthouse with 594 00:39:25,316 --> 00:39:30,716 Speaker 1: his wife and attorney with a sort of smirk, self 595 00:39:30,756 --> 00:39:33,956 Speaker 1: satisfied smirk on his face that gave you the impression 596 00:39:33,996 --> 00:39:38,036 Speaker 1: of see, I could have told you that this was 597 00:39:38,076 --> 00:39:42,956 Speaker 1: going to happen. Meanwhile, miles away in his car heading west, 598 00:39:43,516 --> 00:39:49,556 Speaker 1: Bob Cooley was listening to the news I heard on 599 00:39:49,636 --> 00:39:52,956 Speaker 1: the radio. You know, the judge found him not guilty. 600 00:39:54,036 --> 00:39:58,436 Speaker 1: You know, everybody's screaming because the evidence was overwhelming and 601 00:39:58,516 --> 00:40:01,916 Speaker 1: all the rest of that bullshit. I turned the car around, 602 00:40:04,676 --> 00:40:08,556 Speaker 1: turned his car around because he'd done it. He'd gotten 603 00:40:08,556 --> 00:40:12,036 Speaker 1: the verdict he'd wanted. He'd come through for Harry Alaman, 604 00:40:12,196 --> 00:40:15,796 Speaker 1: and more importantly, for pat Marcy, the Mob's political czar, 605 00:40:16,636 --> 00:40:19,756 Speaker 1: Bob had taken a huge risk. Even for a veteran 606 00:40:19,796 --> 00:40:22,876 Speaker 1: gambler like Bob. This was an epic roll of the dice. 607 00:40:23,956 --> 00:40:27,316 Speaker 1: As the city of Chicago came back into view and 608 00:40:27,396 --> 00:40:31,796 Speaker 1: the recently completed Sears Tower loomed in the distance, it 609 00:40:31,876 --> 00:40:35,316 Speaker 1: must have seemed like this city was his for the taking. 610 00:40:44,916 --> 00:40:49,116 Speaker 1: But first there was something he had to do. He says, 611 00:40:49,116 --> 00:40:51,836 Speaker 1: he had to pay off Judge Wilson, pay off the 612 00:40:51,876 --> 00:40:54,476 Speaker 1: balance of what he owed, because he'd only given him 613 00:40:54,516 --> 00:40:57,796 Speaker 1: twenty five hundred so far. They arranged to meet at 614 00:40:57,796 --> 00:41:01,516 Speaker 1: a restaurant on this final meaning between the two of them. 615 00:41:01,636 --> 00:41:04,796 Speaker 1: Bob says he decided to bring along his secretary slash lover, 616 00:41:04,996 --> 00:41:08,276 Speaker 1: Catherine Fleming. He said he did it to lighten the mood, 617 00:41:08,556 --> 00:41:11,156 Speaker 1: though he didn't tell Katherine why they were meeting up 618 00:41:11,156 --> 00:41:14,756 Speaker 1: with the judge or even who he was. When they 619 00:41:14,836 --> 00:41:18,516 Speaker 1: arrived at the restaurant, they spotted the judge. Bob says 620 00:41:18,596 --> 00:41:21,476 Speaker 1: he looked terrible, like he'd aged fifteen years in the 621 00:41:21,556 --> 00:41:31,716 Speaker 1: last two weeks. Katherine had a similar memory. He looked old, alcoholic, thin, drawn, sad, unhappy. 622 00:41:32,596 --> 00:41:35,596 Speaker 1: They quickly parted ways with Catherine and looked for a 623 00:41:35,596 --> 00:41:39,956 Speaker 1: place to talk. We walked into the bathroom. He turns around, 624 00:41:40,276 --> 00:41:46,036 Speaker 1: he said, you've destroyed me. According to Bob, the judge 625 00:41:46,036 --> 00:41:48,036 Speaker 1: told him that he was going to be crucified in 626 00:41:48,036 --> 00:41:51,796 Speaker 1: the newspapers for this decision, that his days as a 627 00:41:51,876 --> 00:41:56,916 Speaker 1: judge were effectively over. He told Bob, you did this 628 00:41:56,996 --> 00:42:02,556 Speaker 1: to me. At some point, Bob says, he handed him 629 00:42:02,556 --> 00:42:05,436 Speaker 1: an envelope with the money, but he didn't know what 630 00:42:05,476 --> 00:42:08,876 Speaker 1: to say to the judge, Not really, I mean, what 631 00:42:08,956 --> 00:42:13,276 Speaker 1: was there to say? Even smooth talking Bob Cooley was 632 00:42:13,316 --> 00:42:16,436 Speaker 1: at a loss for words, and before he could figure 633 00:42:16,476 --> 00:42:19,516 Speaker 1: it out, the judge just turned around and walked out 634 00:42:19,556 --> 00:42:23,636 Speaker 1: the door. After leaving the bathroom, the judge sat down 635 00:42:23,756 --> 00:42:26,836 Speaker 1: next to Katherine and he said something to her that 636 00:42:26,996 --> 00:42:30,996 Speaker 1: she still remembers very clearly, even now, almost forty five 637 00:42:31,116 --> 00:42:33,636 Speaker 1: years later. The judge looked at me and he said, 638 00:42:33,716 --> 00:42:36,556 Speaker 1: you look like a nice girl. Stay away from him. 639 00:42:37,196 --> 00:42:41,236 Speaker 1: He's bad. It was a very pointed remark. What do 640 00:42:41,276 --> 00:42:42,876 Speaker 1: you make of that when he says it to you 641 00:42:43,676 --> 00:42:47,556 Speaker 1: that he was having a problem with Bob. I just 642 00:42:47,596 --> 00:42:50,916 Speaker 1: slipped him in the eye and let him know that 643 00:42:50,956 --> 00:42:53,676 Speaker 1: I was listening to him. That's it, That's all you 644 00:42:53,716 --> 00:42:59,596 Speaker 1: can do. Bob soon emerged from the bathroom. He glanced 645 00:42:59,636 --> 00:43:03,876 Speaker 1: over saw the judge with Catherine, but he couldn't bring 646 00:43:03,956 --> 00:43:06,956 Speaker 1: himself to join them. He says, he didn't want to 647 00:43:06,956 --> 00:43:11,316 Speaker 1: be there, and so he walked past their table and 648 00:43:11,476 --> 00:43:45,276 Speaker 1: just kept going. Next time on deep Cover, I said, 649 00:43:45,596 --> 00:43:48,156 Speaker 1: if anybody thinks for one second, I'm gonna even take 650 00:43:48,196 --> 00:43:51,596 Speaker 1: a beating, they're thinking wrong, I said. And if I 651 00:43:51,636 --> 00:43:53,636 Speaker 1: think I got a problem with you, I said, You're 652 00:43:53,636 --> 00:44:18,116 Speaker 1: gonna have the fucking problem. Deep Cover is produced by 653 00:44:18,196 --> 00:44:21,956 Speaker 1: Jacob Smith and Amy Gaines and edited by Karen Shakurge. 654 00:44:22,476 --> 00:44:25,796 Speaker 1: Our senior editor is Jan Guera. Original music in our 655 00:44:25,876 --> 00:44:28,836 Speaker 1: theme was composed by Louise Gara and Fawn Williams as 656 00:44:28,876 --> 00:44:31,956 Speaker 1: our engineer. Our art this season was drawn by Cheryl 657 00:44:32,036 --> 00:44:35,556 Speaker 1: Cook and designed by Sean Karney. Mia Lobell is our 658 00:44:35,556 --> 00:44:40,796 Speaker 1: executive producer. Special thanks to Heather Fain, John Schnarz, Carli Mcgliori, 659 00:44:41,116 --> 00:44:46,116 Speaker 1: Maya Kany, Christina Sullivan, Eric Sandler, Mary Beth Smith, Brant Haynes, 660 00:44:46,316 --> 00:44:51,236 Speaker 1: Maggie Taylor, a Coolemarano, Megan Larson, Royston Beserve, Lucy Sullivan, 661 00:44:51,476 --> 00:44:56,836 Speaker 1: Edith Russello, Riley Sullivan, Jason Gambrel, Martin Gonzalez, and Jacob Weisberg. 662 00:44:57,756 --> 00:45:44,756 Speaker 1: I'm Jake Halbern. 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