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Speaker 1: Hey, what up, Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb, and you

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Speaker 1: are listening to All Ball, All Basketball all the time.

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Speaker 1: If you're a ball guy, do you know this to

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Speaker 1: be true? Just because the guy makes shots does not

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Speaker 1: mean you played well. I coach au basketball, and trying

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Speaker 1: to convince a parent that a kid who hit three

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Speaker 1: or four three's didn't actually play well is well one

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Speaker 1: of the hardest things you're ever gonna do. Right, Like, man,

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Speaker 1: this kind of feels useless. Why am I you know,

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Speaker 1: why am I doing this? But uh, it's true, and

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Speaker 1: I think the same is true for Zion Williamson. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean he played terribly, but if you watched his debut

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Speaker 1: as an NBA player, boy, he didn't look like he

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Speaker 1: was in great shape, right, I mean he just didn't

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Speaker 1: just didn't move all that well. He just he did

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Speaker 1: not look like he was in the world's greatest, greatest

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Speaker 1: shape on Earth. And and because of it, people have

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Speaker 1: sort of lost their mind here where it's just bipolar.

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Speaker 1: You're there, he looks terrible or you're crazy. Look at

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Speaker 1: the seventeen points scored in the fourth quarter of the

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Speaker 1: thirteen consecutive points. That's how he played. Both are true. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge Zion fan. I think he'd be great.

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Speaker 1: Just as they played him small ball five. They want

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Speaker 1: a death lineup, there's your small ball five. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: have to get better rebounding, gonna get more active defensively,

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Speaker 1: gonna get in better shape. He made four wide open.

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Speaker 1: They dared him to shoot threes to see what he's got.

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Speaker 1: That's what the Spurs did first time they saw and

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Speaker 1: they still end up winning the game. But I think

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Speaker 1: that as long as you're reasonable about what he is,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna enjoy the Zion Williamson Revolution if

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Speaker 1: you will. He's a more athletic Draymond Green, much more athletic,

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Speaker 1: better offense. We'll see if he's as good defensively as

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Speaker 1: Draymond Green. But what's important to remember or to think

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Speaker 1: about is the only questions about Zion really weren't his

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Speaker 1: jump shot that's going to develop over time. It was

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Speaker 1: can he play at that weight and not get hurt?

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Speaker 1: And three times he's played and gotten hurt at his

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Speaker 1: previous weight, And he didn't look like he had trimmed

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Speaker 1: which you know, you get in a game, he gets

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Speaker 1: super excited. You lose your first win, but the second

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Speaker 1: win win I would have thought would have been better,

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Speaker 1: fit for that team because Brandon Ingram's their star. Alonzo

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Speaker 1: Ball and Drew Holiday are both guys that love to

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Speaker 1: there's a pretty good plan there, But I also think

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Speaker 1: that I'm cautiously pessimistic that they're not going to demand

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have let him on the court unless he

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Speaker 1: was down substantially wait wise, and he looked fairly cut,

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Speaker 1: but not as trim as I would have liked. And

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Speaker 1: if the if the Pelicans really are invested in the

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Speaker 1: long term, then long term, he's got to play it

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Speaker 1: less weight, period. Stop and the story. All right, let

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Speaker 1: me give you my take on the Kansas Kansas State brawl. UH.

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Speaker 1: For the record, I've known a ton about this rivalry

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Speaker 1: because my late father used to coach at Kansas State,

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Speaker 1: and uh, when they play in Lawrence back in the day.

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Speaker 1: a long and bitter rivalry. I don't think it's the

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Speaker 1: end of days. In terms of of a brawl. It

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Speaker 1: Sylvia to Susa seems to be an idiot, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't hold it against him all the other stuff

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Speaker 1: like you have to pay some extra penance more than

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Speaker 1: a suspension for a year for you know, people around

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Speaker 1: You know, just dribbled out or he could have chinned

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Speaker 1: he shouldn't get penalized for swinging the chair. He was

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Speaker 1: an idiot who stood over a guy after blocking his

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Speaker 1: not even a little bit. Don't care. Um, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it looks good for the sport. But I got

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Speaker 1: Kansas go from the picture of what a basketball program

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Speaker 1: have Snoop Dogg and Stripper Polls at the late night

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Speaker 1: show into a brawl after beating Kansas State. Like all

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Speaker 1: of this is, it's like a a college basketball movie cliche,

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Speaker 1: one cliche after the other. Um. What's interesting is I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure how much it hurts Kansas because they've been

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Speaker 1: show their versatility, this will help them kind of try

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Speaker 1: and figure out and decide who they in fact are.

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Speaker 1: But but Kansas going from every year they win a

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Speaker 1: something we have not seen from kus program in a

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Speaker 1: long time. Be sure to catch the live edition of

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Speaker 1: The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio a app evan. Let's started that the Hoop Hall,

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Speaker 1: which is in Springfield, Massachusetts. You went there a ton

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Speaker 1: on TV. They've had some other main made for TV events.

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Speaker 1: What was the what was the arena like when when

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Speaker 1: they were in the building. Honestly, Doug, it it was

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Speaker 1: I don't tend to twelve years. I don't remember it

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Speaker 1: But I think we also gotta keep in mind he's fourteen,

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Speaker 1: Although in this way he's he's got to be more

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Speaker 1: well as all of college basketball, all College BASKETBA recruit seven.

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Speaker 1: How surprised are you if are you by by the

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Speaker 1: welcome him in. UM. We can call him boy genius,

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Speaker 1: when I went to high school, Um, I grew up

423
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Speaker 1: playing with all those dudes that played at Modern Day. Uh,

424
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Speaker 1: Miles Simon was my my best friend. He went to

425
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Speaker 1: Modern Day. He I don't think he played varsity till

426
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Speaker 1: his sophomore year, maybe even his junior He became a

427
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Speaker 1: starter on varsity. And it's because they have just dudes,

428
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Speaker 1: you know and um, and you know, in a U

429
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Speaker 1: you can play with the best of the best. It's

430
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Speaker 1: better in high school. This is my personal opinion. Better

431
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: in high school to go somewhere that you can play

432
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Speaker 1: and play right away. My freshman year, I I think

433
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: I should have played more, but I started a couple

434
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Speaker 1: of games on varsity. I toggled between varsity and j

435
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: V and then for the playoffs and uh, for the playoffs,

436
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: I was on varsity again. You know, in hindsight, I

437
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: think Tom McCluskey, my coach then, would have said I

438
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 1: should have played him more. Um. But but the point was,

439
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: like I never would have played varsity as a freshman

440
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: had I gone to Modern Day or gone to one

441
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Speaker 1: of the powerhouse And then by a sophomore, I was

442
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Speaker 1: a starting point guard. By junior year, I was all

443
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 1: c I have for whatever. And my senior year I was,

444
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: you know, one of the best players in the state

445
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: and I was the player of your Orange County. The

446
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: point is that you can I think it's a flaw

447
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: in the like he sometimes he doesn't play that much

448
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: for Sierra Canny because they're so stacked, you know, and

449
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna continue. They're gonna continue to be stacked, and

450
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: this this dream team deal, you don't actually develop your

451
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: all around game, Like I would rather him go somewhere

452
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: like Across Roads and be the best player as a

453
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: freshman and learn and figure out how to lift up

454
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: the rest of my team. Meanwhile, when I play in

455
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: a you all those same guys can play with you

456
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: for a hundred games in the summer, spring and fall,

457
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 1: and just your high school game. You play with some

458
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: dudes that aren't as good, but you learn to be

459
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: an alpha like I. That's my personal thought in terms

460
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Speaker 1: of growth, it's a hard it's a hard thing. Like yeah,

461
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Speaker 1: I agree, I mean, I agree with your opinion. Obviously,

462
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, fully involved in the situation. I

463
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: don't really know everything. But in terms of the development standpoint,

464
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I personally agree that if he's able to

465
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: do more with less from an early age, it definitely,

466
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Speaker 1: you know, helps him from a development standpoint and and

467
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: gets him ready. You know, he's he's got a couple

468
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: of good games. He had the big game against St.

469
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: Vincent St. Mary's on TV, which you know, I probably

470
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: I probably guess that Lebron may have said somebody the

471
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: coaching staff about having him played more because I think

472
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Speaker 1: he was pretty much the m v P of the

473
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Speaker 1: game or something like that. Again, you know, his old

474
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Speaker 1: his old Lebron at like a setup deal, didn't it. Yeah? Yeah,

475
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: I like, he goes to Dallas, he plays, He goes

476
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Speaker 1: to Dallas, and he goes to Dallas, he barely plays.

477
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Speaker 1: They go to they go to Cleveland and play against St. Vince. St.

478
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: Mary's now a sudden like now at least he's starting

479
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: and playing, but like he's getting you know, he's balling out.

480
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: And it was like news are taking a dive. It was.

481
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Speaker 1: It was really really interesting. Um, Okay, here's what I

482
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Speaker 1: won't really want to get to. Okay, So what you've

483
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Speaker 1: tried to do, and you tell me if I'm wrong,

484
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: is you're trying to position yourself U to be an

485
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Speaker 1: analyst or to be a UM to be you know,

486
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Speaker 1: to work in the front office of an NBA team,

487
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 1: we're working with a college team whatever. And so in

488
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Speaker 1: terms of research, last year, you put together, um your

489
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: own what uh draft draft draft board, you know, and

490
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: you did analysis of players. You've already done that obviously

491
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: this year with the Big Ten and and nationally as well.

492
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Speaker 1: Let's start with the Big Ten. The league's kind of

493
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: a jumbled mess, right, and there's a lot of parts

494
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Speaker 1: to it. We know Nebraska sucks, were very well aware

495
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Speaker 1: in Nebraska, Uh, is you know there's there's two teams. Uh,

496
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: we're pretty well aware are at the bottom. And then

497
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: we thought Michigan State would be the best, but they've

498
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: had some absolute clunkers. Um. You know, home versus road

499
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: has been different. They were awful against Perdue. Uh, they

500
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: were very good against Michigan at home, etcetera, etcetera. And

501
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: then the rest has kind of been a little bit here.

502
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Speaker 1: And as so Northwestern and and Nebraska. They they stink,

503
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: They're they're bad. Um. The Northwestern thing is interesting. We'll

504
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: get into that in a second. Um, but you give

505
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: me your sense, Like for Wisconsin, terrible in the nonconference,

506
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: but some huge winds in conference, even on the road.

507
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: So let's let's start. Who is in your mind? Is

508
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: it Michigan State who's the best? Who's the best team

509
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Speaker 1: in the Big Ten? I would lean towards Michigan State,

510
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: just towards the pedigree and the coaching and and they've

511
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: got the best player in the conference. And you know,

512
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: you can make an argument in the country as well.

513
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: I'd say they're deeper than they've been in past years.

514
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: You know, Dabor Tilman's playing really really well right now

515
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: in the post and he's he's hitting threes, and you know,

516
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: and Aaron Henry and Gay Brown are making shots. You know,

517
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: they're they're really hard to guard as well, with Rocket Watts,

518
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: who's got a little Lillard in him, you know, creating

519
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: his own shot. He's got a really tight handle and

520
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: shooting the three. That when they played Wisconsin the other day,

521
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: Rocket Watts was you know, he had a really really

522
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: good game, hit four or five threes and was just

523
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, cooking outside the three point line. So I'd

524
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Speaker 1: probably say Michi State. But but they're beautiful. You know,

525
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: they turned you know, they've had trouble in the past

526
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: with with their turnovers, and you know, sometimes you just

527
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: never really know what you're gonna get with them, which

528
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: is you know, sometimes it's tough to really rely on

529
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: them and why you know, sometimes they've struggled in the tournament. Yeah,

530
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: Rocket Watson is interesting because one unbelievable name, right, how good?

531
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: How good a name is that, like in the name

532
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: Hall of fame. That one's that was like, thank you

533
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: Mom and dad. By the way, and Mark Mark Watts

534
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: is actually his name, but um, you know he's he's

535
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: fascinating to me because uh, you know here he is

536
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: a kid who was you know, very heavily recruited, a

537
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: four star et cetera. Um. Now he he did have

538
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: a leg injury in December. Um, but he's a guy

539
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: who I think they're they're gonna have to you know,

540
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: this is why Michigan State, I think, is struggled to

541
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: try and figure out what you have. You know, sometimes

542
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: it takes you even as a coach, You're like, I

543
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: need to find out what I have. And then when

544
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: you don't have, you know, your full allotment of players.

545
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: He's older for his for his grade, so that I

546
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: think that helps him. Um, they don't have the shooting

547
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: that they had last year from from the wing. Um,

548
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: as you know, rocket watch for the seasons only shooting

549
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: I think from three. But part of that is in

550
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: your first year, it takes a while for the game

551
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: to kind of slow down, and I would guess by

552
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: March the game slows down substantially and they have a

553
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: chance to achieve what um, what what preseason prognosticators thought, Uh,

554
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: you know, I mean last year was all Cassius Winston,

555
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: but they also created space for him with all the

556
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: personnel around him. Do you think Cassius Winston uh plays

557
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: in the NBA starts? What what is your what would

558
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: your your NBA evaluation of Cassius Winston is now Michigan

559
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: State and the Big Tens all time assist leader. What

560
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: would your would your analysis of MB? I mean, I

561
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: think you'll definitely get drafted. I mean, he's been there

562
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: for four years, He's got a lot of points. Um

563
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: like he's that he's the Big Ten all time leading

564
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: a fist um in the country. UM. I really like

565
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: his game. I like him out of the pick and roll.

566
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: I think he shoots it well enough. UM yeah, I'm

567
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: a fan. I you know, there's something about staying for

568
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: four years that you know, I think teams will really respect.

569
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: And you know, he's he really he's really been there

570
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: for four years because he wants to win, And I

571
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: think that says a lot of about him as a person.

572
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: And he probably could have came out last year and

573
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: gotten drafted, but he decided to come back and go

574
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: and playing a senior year. But I'm a fan. Like

575
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: I said, you know, it's tough watching him against Wisconsin

576
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: because he always has really good games. But I think

577
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: I think he'll he'll find a role in the n

578
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: b A And you know, a lot a lot of

579
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: some of these guys that are maybe second round picks,

580
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 1: is it is just finding the right organization. You know,

581
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: if he finds the right organization early on, then he

582
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: could be in the league for ten to fifteen years,

583
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, as as a backup guard and maybe start sometimes.

584
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: So you know, if you if you find a wrong organization,

585
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: you know, which happens a handful of times, it could

586
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: be bouncing around teams. And you know, his NBA career

587
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 1: couldn't wouldn't go as you know, as he probably planned.

588
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: So no question, yea. So as as as as he'd

589
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: have to come in, he'd have to come in as

590
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: a third point guard, right And the interesting part is

591
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: a third point guard is you have to be unbelievable,

592
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: defensively unbelievable. Like he can run a team. Um, he's

593
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: not a great shooter, but he can clearly shoot and

594
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: make a shot. He's a tremendous finisher. I do think

595
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: that he'll. I think he'll be very good with the

596
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: added space to the NBA because consider all the things,

597
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: all the creative shots he makes now without the space,

598
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: because between the lack of shooting he has on his

599
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: roster and just college basketball, it's a lot more kind

600
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: of confined space, tight tighter spaces. Um, I think he'll

601
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: he'll do well. My issue is can he actually guard anybody?

602
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: Because again, all that space. Everybody talks about the space offensively,

603
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: and there is more space offensively, but there's also more

604
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: space defensively, and so if you can't keep a guy

605
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: in front, you're screwed. Now he's tough and that will

606
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: allow you know, just a good portion of whether or

607
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: not you make it as a point guard is hey.

608
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: In the NBA, they usually switch one through four. So

609
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: if you switch, can you can you will? You just

610
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: get shoved out of the way, right like will you

611
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: just get I mean, Jimmifredd couldn't guard anybody, Trey Young

612
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: is so good offensively that it can hide the fact

613
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't guard, doesn't even attempt and just get shoved aside.

614
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: He's got a little bit stronger and he'll get better,

615
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, Steff. They don't switch for but he is

616
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: pretty tough and he's so clever off the basketball. Again,

617
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing Cassius Winston to staff or to Tray

618
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: to Tray Young. It's actually more important for him because

619
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 1: he isn't gonna be in Gan average in Gan average ten, right,

620
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: so you can well, he won't have when he won't

621
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: have the minutes. He won't even get on the court

622
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: if you can't guard. And so it's interesting. Like my

623
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: my advice to you in evaluation is you have to

624
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: not only evaluate guys based upon like you said, fit

625
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: is totally important, but also roll in the NBA and

626
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: do they do the little things that you know, like

627
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: there are guys that are great shooters. You're like, all right,

628
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: is he a great shooter? Sure? Okay? Um, so as

629
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: an NBA you know Dylan uh Windler, right, the who's

630
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: a rookie? Um? You know, like those guys can really shoot.

631
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: But he's also I think six ft seven, is he

632
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: tough enough to simply guard somebody? You know? Will he rebound?

633
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: And then can he play? Can he shoot without without dribbling?

634
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: Because the three in d guys, you gotta be able

635
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: to keep a guy in front, gotta be tough, bill switch,

636
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: contain the basketball, contain a point guard, which is almost

637
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: impossible to do anyway, and then you know, we don't

638
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: have time to throw you the ball, and you're not

639
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: athletic enough to go one on one and get your

640
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: own shot anyway. In summation, my thoughts on Cashus are

641
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: I don't and maybe I haven't evaluated enough in terms

642
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: of I think he's pretty good defensively, but he gets

643
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: away with taking a break now because he's so needed offensively.

644
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: I do think the fact he can get a bucket.

645
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: I do think the fact he can pass. He's not

646
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: a great passor he's just not it's like one of

647
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: those it's a static cumulation um because this is but

648
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: he's he's solid. He can deliver the ball on time

649
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: and end rhythm and understand that. You know they run

650
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: a lot of horns and high ball screen and some

651
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: of the stuff and some of the angles you'll run

652
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I think he can make a team,

653
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: but I would I'd say he's the reason he came back.

654
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: Is smart. He can be a legend of Michigan State.

655
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: He can hold every record, maybe play another Final four

656
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: and maybe get drafted a little higher than he should

657
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: because somebody will say, well, you know, he's not great,

658
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: but he's a winner, right, He's a like like the

659
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: Villanova guys. They all got draft a little high because

660
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: they're winners. And I think that's smart. I just think

661
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: it's a little buyer beware because he's gonna be asked.

662
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: The role he'll be asked to play is like this, Hey, man,

663
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: I want you to do everything you did at Achian State,

664
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: only I want you to do it in five minute

665
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: stretches against better competition from further out. And oh yeah,

666
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: by the way, your defense is more important than your offense.

667
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: Now that's a really hard thing for a kid to

668
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: to do. He can do it, but I just it's

669
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: a it's a change in how you play, all right.

670
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: So after Michigan State, who do you like? You know,

671
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: from there it gets tough. You know, it's a really

672
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: deep conference and you know, a lot of these teams

673
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: just haven't been consistent enough to you know, really cement

674
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: themselves as the number two I you know, i'd probably

675
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: say Maryland just based off the roster and what they

676
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: kind of bring back from a I think a Sweet

677
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: sixteen team last year. Um, you know that they were

678
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: the preseason number seven team. This year start off with,

679
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, they're owing four on the road in the

680
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: Big Ten, so they're they're definitely struggling. You know, Anthony

681
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: Cowen is probably the second best point guard after Winston.

682
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: So having a guy like that who's a senior, has

683
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: been there for a while. Um, it's definitely really helpful.

684
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: H Jalen Smith really good. He's probably gonna be a

685
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: first round pick. You know, playing behind Fernando, he got

686
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, he wasn't looked at as much,

687
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: but he's he's you know, he's definitely the better prospect

688
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: than Fernando. Um, he's shooting it better, really physical, rebounds well.

689
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 1: And you know, they've got some good depth with Aaron

690
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: Wiggins who shoots it pretty well and Eric Yola who

691
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: could be a big X factor come tournament time just

692
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: with his ability to create offense by himself. And you know,

693
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: I just I really like them as well. You know,

694
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: they're they're a tough out for sure. You know, I

695
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: was an interesting team. They have a lot of injuries,

696
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: so they don't have you know that uh, without Bohannon,

697
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: they don't have the depth and maybe not the shooting

698
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: from the guard. But Luca Garza is just putting up

699
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: crazy numbers, right, and he's a guy. He's gonna have

700
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: a tremendous overseas overseas career. I like this Iowa team,

701
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: like you know they I know, they got beat by DePaul,

702
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: and DePaul came in early in the year and Paul

703
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: has got an older team and just shot the crap

704
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: out of the basketball. But I you know, they they

705
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: just beat in Michigan. Um, they beat Maryland. I mean

706
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: they beat the pants off Maryland by twenty at home.

707
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: Now they got Rutgers coming up at home. What are

708
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Iowa? You know, I really like Iowa.

709
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: You know, I did a little bit of research on

710
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: on Ken Palm and they actually have the second best

711
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: adjusted offense sufficiency in the country. So they can score

712
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: with anyone. You know, if that's the team you have

713
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: to base in the first round, that's a really tough prep.

714
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: They scored as good as anyone in the country. Um,

715
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: they're pretty deep. You know, they have guards, those who's

716
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, he's got a shot to win Big Ten

717
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: Player of the Year's averaging ten. He had forty four

718
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: and thirty four against Michigan, and they paid him twice.

719
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: We had fourty four in one game, thirty four and

720
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: the other. But yeah, like you said, you know that

721
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: their guard play isn't as good because with Bohannon out

722
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: and they heard his hip. But um, Joe wise Camp

723
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: has really picked up his game, stunting fifteen on the year.

724
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: He's one of the best shooters in the Big tenn

725
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: and arguably the country. He's got some Duncan Robinson in them,

726
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: I would say for sure. You know, he shoots at

727
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: a really high level. Robinson. Duncan Robinson, by the way,

728
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: the perfect example of what I was talking about with

729
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: can you make the league? Right? The Division three player

730
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: who's whose first he's big, you know, he's six seven ish,

731
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: can shoot the ship out of it from deep. And

732
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: then you know what's interesting is at Michigan. You know

733
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: when they made a run, uh two years ago, it

734
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: would be line. You know. They one of the things

735
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: they did they were they didn't think he'd got They

736
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: would take him out because they didn't think he could guard.

737
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: But he's gotten, at least in the NBA to where

738
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: he'll just keep a guy in front and he'll just

739
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, they'll but but he he made the NBA

740
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: based upon his size, his ability to shoot the basketball.

741
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: He doesn't need a long time to get it off.

742
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: And then of course, you know, you get a little

743
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: bit of toughness and challenge where you keep a guy

744
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: in front and so that there's a there's a guy

745
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: who There are better athletes that didn't make the NBA,

746
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: but they don't have when you're off the bench, you're

747
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: trying to make a team, you gotta have that one

748
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: refined skill. Can you do it at that level instead

749
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: of being overall skills? Really interesting anyway, go ahead, I'm sorry.

750
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: He's big and he's like six six, and it just

751
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: they just you know, they they honestly look a little

752
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: similar just with actually like how you know, how their

753
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: body and facebooks. But in terms of game as well,

754
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, I I see some more stroke. Also. C. J.

755
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: Frederick has been really good with Bohannon out he stepped

756
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: coming and his freshman yard he's averaging eleven, leading the

757
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: Big ten at three point percentage. So they've they've got

758
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: three or four legit guys who can who can score.

759
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: The only issue has been defensively from offensive perspective. They're

760
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: scared he's anyone in the country. So you know, they've

761
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: got a shot to win the Big Ten tournament. They've

762
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: got a shot to advance far in the tournament. All right,

763
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: So we we've we've gotten through Iowa. What about Wisconsin.

764
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: What do you make of the Badgers? It's been kind

765
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: of a erratic up and down a year. Um, And

766
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, like I think you know, I mean, like

767
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: Brad Davison. I love Brad Davison. We had him on

768
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: the pod last year. Great dude. I do feel like

769
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: he is kind of measuring stick for how they're gonna play. Right.

770
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: When they beat Maryland, he was spectacular. When they beat

771
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: Penn State, he was really good. Um when he you know,

772
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: when he struggled at against Illinois, Um, and he got

773
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: into foul trouble, I thought that hurt him. I didn't

774
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: think he played particularly well in a couple other games

775
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: that they lost. You know, this Badger team probably better

776
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: than anybody else watching them and watching them work and

777
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: working out with them. What are your thoughts in the Badgers?

778
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: They're really interesting, very very interesting. From a statistical standpoint.

779
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: They're near the bottom in the n C a a

780
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: in points per game, but they're allowing the thirteenth lease

781
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: points per game. So they defended a really high level,

782
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: but they struggled to score. And I think, you know,

783
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: it's stylistic with a lot of it. They like really

784
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: long offensive possessions. They like the games low scoring. They

785
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: liked that. They know they like the grind. You know,

786
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: when the game is closed and both teams aren't really

787
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: playing well, the game's kind of in their favor. So

788
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: when games like that, you know they can they can

789
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: honestly be you know a lot of teams in the

790
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: Big Ten, you know a lot of teams in the country.

791
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: You know, there's times where they just really struggle offensively

792
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: and they go through these shooting the shooting wolds where

793
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: they just they just really can't make a shop. It's

794
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: tough to say what you're gonna up from them every night.

795
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: You know, the defense will always be there, They're always

796
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: gonna be scrappy. They're coached well, but you know, just

797
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: at some point against some of these high level teams,

798
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: if you can't put in the ball in the basket, it,

799
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, it really limits you know, your upside, no question,

800
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: no question about it, Right like they do. They do

801
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: award championships to teams to score more points than their opponent.

802
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: Is where I like to put it. Um, I want

803
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: to ask you about a team that they beat. You

804
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: mentioned Penn State, a team that that started out oh

805
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: and ten last year in the league, and then and

806
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: I thought I saw some of this coming obviously, um there.

807
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: Their first win last year was over Northwestern, was actually decent.

808
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: Lamar Stevens. Do you think he's an NBA player? He

809
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: definitely got shot. I feel a little Draymond Green, you know,

810
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: maybe not as like you know as raw raw and

811
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: like you know in the media, as as he is,

812
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: but I think they do some similar things just with

813
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: their well roundedness and just the way they affect the

814
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: game in multiple ways. I mean, I don't know if

815
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: we'll get drafted, but I see some some charities for sure,

816
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: I think, uh. I mean the big difference to team

817
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: him and A and a Draymond Green would be, you know,

818
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: Kenny Kenny passed the way the Draymond can pass and

819
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: it can defend right like Draymond. The whole magic to

820
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: Draymond is not the versatility offensively because really can't score.

821
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: The magic to Draymond is that he is um uh,

822
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: he guard, you can guard all five positions, and then

823
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: he can really pass and that hides the fact that

824
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: he can't score. Then. I mean, like, look, you have

825
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: all of these teams and they're all kind of a

826
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: like we haven't even mentioned Michigan who new coaching staff, right,

827
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: but Xavier uh Simpson returns at point guard, John Teskey

828
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: big obviously, and they have some returners at the wings,

829
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: although you know they lost a lot of talent. What

830
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: do you make of Michigan. I really like Michigan. I

831
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: really really do. Um, they just got a lot of

832
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: guys that just have it seemed like they've been there

833
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: for like six years. You know some college teams that

834
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: have guys you're like, wow, how this How do you

835
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: guys still in college? I mean that's how I look

836
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: at Test and Simpson. I just feel like I've watched

837
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: them so much in the tournament Big Ten for the

838
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: last four years. It just seems like they've been there forever.

839
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I really like Michigan. You know,

840
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: they looked right in the Battle for Atlantis tournament when

841
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: they beat Gonzaga. They beat UNC what at the time

842
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: was still pretty good and now they've kind of just

843
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: steam rolled. But um, and they struggle in the Big

844
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: Ten because Livers has been out. They're just growing and

845
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: then they're kind of unsure of when he's coming back.

846
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: And you know, I think even their leading score at

847
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: the time test he has overtaken him now. But you know,

848
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: when you lose your first option in a in a

849
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: league as deep as the Big Ten, you know, it's

850
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: definitely hurtful. I also think, and I'm already interrupt, is

851
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: so what the Livers gives them and they're trying to

852
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: get you know, Brandon John's to be that guy's Livers

853
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: is he's too thick and strong for a guard to

854
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: guard him. And um, you know if he plays the four,

855
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: he can play all the way out to the three

856
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: point range, right, so he's um, he's really he's really versatile.

857
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: So they lose that versatility. Yeah, it moves out which

858
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: has been which is not you know they struggled with

859
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: but um, you know, Dader Simpson is is a really

860
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: good college player. You know, he's leading the country and

861
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: assister game. His three point shot has got a lot better.

862
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: He still can't make free throws somehow, He's great in

863
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: the pick and roll. You know, they love running the

864
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: pick and roll with him and Testy, you know, skipping

865
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: into the corner for for Wagner and Brooks. But they're deep,

866
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: you know. They They've got a good five six seven

867
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: guys that are legit college players, and you know, I

868
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: think they definitely have a shot in the tournament. Okay, Uh,

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00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: last thing I want to get to who is You

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00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: mentioned that Michigan beat North Carolina. That was back when

871
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: they had Cool Anthony. What are your thoughts on Cole

872
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 1: Anthony as an NBA player. I really like Coal Anthony.

873
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: I was actually his teammate once I would played in

874
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: the Pangos All American Camp. I wasn't good enough to

875
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: play in that camp, but I you know, I got

876
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: invited to it and he was you know, he's on

877
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: my team. I just the thing, that thing that that

878
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: I came away with was just his leadership and his personality.

879
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: You know, he's a really good guy, clapping, talking to teammates,

880
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: high five. You're just like the little things that you're

881
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: kind of looking at for a point guard. Just the

882
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: leadership qualities. Obviously super athletic, he was the most athletic

883
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: in the building, super bouncy um and you can create

884
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: like as good, you can create as any as good

885
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: as anyone in the country, you know, in the mid range,

886
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: creating his own shots, step back, getting the cub Obviously

887
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: he's you're his foot. He takes a lot of tough shots,

888
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of this thing. But he makes

889
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: a lot of tough ones. I mean, he's gonna be

890
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: a lottery pick. Here. Here's the question, did you enjoy

891
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: like those camps? For anybody who's like the peangos, it's

892
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: it's just organized pickup right, And he has a way

893
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: about him where he's definitely an alpha. But some people,

894
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: some people who are not as big a fans on

895
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: the way in which I like to play with him,

896
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: it can be a little bit tough. Did you find

897
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: that Did you find it was tough or did you

898
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: enjoy the experience of playing alongside it? I enjoyed the experience.

899
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes in these camps, you know, you get

900
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: some of these kids who just for ballhogs and they're

901
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: just kind of holding the ball and not passing at all.

902
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought he pass theball really well. You know,

903
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: he's looking up in the court, kick up someone in

904
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: the fast break, and he just you know, again, like,

905
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: I really liked him. I think he's gonna be really good.

906
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: And um, I had no issues with him playing in

907
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: the camp. He's a really nice guy. Had really good

908
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: conversations with him when we were on the bench, you know,

909
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: between games and stuff. Yeah. Again, I'm a fan there

910
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: anybody you do not like that? Everybody else, Like, I

911
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: don't really know about James Wiseman. You know, I did.

912
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: I did a draft board last year, so I've you know,

913
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: I've just started doing that as well for this upcoming draft. Yeah,

914
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm just really not sure how good he's going to

915
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: be in the NBA and how he fits into this

916
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, this modern MBA. I'm very suspect sexbook on

917
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: the suspect on him. I don't want to be shooting

918
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: it well enough for a five. You know, the teams

919
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: are looking for guys who can stretch the four, you know,

920
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: the the big who just play defense and catches lobs

921
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: is very rare. You know. There's only a few like

922
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: Clint Capellas and Drummonds who are like legit, you know,

923
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: all star Max. However, guys so aside from those few guys.

924
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: Teams are looking for Biggs you can stress the floor

925
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: and I don't know how well he shoots it, and

926
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of questions about his motor and

927
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: his willingness um to play in his love to the game.

928
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: So you know those kind of especially that last part,

929
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's something that you definitely don't want

930
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: to hear about a player. If that ever comes up,

931
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's definitely not a good sign. I would

932
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: have liked to see him come back to Memphis and

933
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: just you know, really show that he's got the goods

934
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: and that he's a legit top five processt. It kind

935
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: of puts into a little bit of uncertainty now now

936
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: that we just kind of have to We saw the

937
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: three games where they played like three mid major teams

938
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: and one of the games fifteen, but he's you know,

939
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: they're playing scrubs, so it's like, we didn't really get

940
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: to see you play against the top competition. It's a

941
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great point. You bring up

942
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: a really good point because it's one of those things.

943
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: You know, Labello has shut it down for the year.

944
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: We'll see if Cole Anthony comes back. I'm with you

945
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: right like these these I play when I want, when

946
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: you're nineteen years old. That doesn't strike me as a

947
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: guy who loves the game, you know, it just it

948
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: just doesn't. So I think it's gonna be fascinating, fascinating

949
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: to watch. Uh, Charlie, how can people follow you on

950
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: social media? I have a Twitter? It's Charlie Wadler h

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00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: A r l e y Wandler w A d l

952
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: e r Are you Twitter lots? That's kind of my

953
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: main source of social media. All right, dude, listen, it's

954
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: good catching up. Enjoy your second semester and we'll talk

955
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: really soon. Great, thank you so much for having me, dog,

956
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thanks, Charlie. Be sure to catch

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00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,760
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962
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963
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