1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. Michael 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Very Show is on the air. We won't take a 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: lot of hate we want. We're gonna be sued every 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: day and numerous times. I think you will see the 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: left try to control the media. They're going to show 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: the first crying female, first crying child, and say how 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: inhumane we are. 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: I just wouldn't say that. I'm so sorry. 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 3: Only people who are getting detected children. 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: They don't understand. 11 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 4: They're so story. 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: I wish I could do something that they can't. 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 4: I'll try and be there, But they won't talk about 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 4: three hundred and forty thousand children that they out to 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 4: take care of. They're not going to talk about the 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 4: young women who have been murdered in this country the 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: hands of criminal cartels. We're not going to talk about 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 4: the hundreds of angel moms and dads who bury their children. 20 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 4: Want to talk about family separation, they bury their children. 21 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 4: The children were killed by remember a member of a 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 4: criminal cartel where someone's not supposed to be here. They'll 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 4: tell one side of the story. They'll try to jellifies, but 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 4: they're not going. 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 5: It's where he lets the Martina fights through her pained 26 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 5: and tears after she says her father Andres Martina, was 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 5: arrested from his walke Gan home early Sunday morning by 28 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 5: Immigration and Customs enforcement agents. She says that the forty 29 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 5: four year old grandfather came to the US from Mexico 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 5: nearly thirty years ago. 31 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 3: They will open the door because date that maybe one 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: of us where InChI or something habits was They been 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: nice and we. 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: Will find that priority tiger, which is a criminal alien. 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 4: If he's with others in the United States illegally, we're 36 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 4: going to take enforcement action against and we're going to 37 00:01:58,960 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 4: force him or grace. 38 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 6: On hell from the curtain and saw that, it said police. 39 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 6: When I saw the agents get out, they had the 40 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 6: building surrounded, so they entered. They went up and started 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 6: knocking on the doors really loudly. 42 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 7: My children started to cry. Let's start with some good news, 43 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 7: shall we. The Center for Immigration Studies says that nearly 44 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 7: one million illegals have self deported in the first four 45 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 7: months of the Trump presidency. Andrew Arthur, a fellow in 46 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 7: law and policy at the Center for Immigration Studies, rights 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 7: in the New York Post quote, how effective has self 48 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 7: deportation been. One way to track the program is by 49 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 7: checking employment numbers. One financial whiz, cited by The Wall 50 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 7: Street Journal, calculated a decline in the immigrant. 51 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: Population that's illegal immigrant. 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 7: We're happy for the legal immigrants of seven hundred and 53 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 7: seventy seven seven hundred and seventy three thousand in the 54 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 7: first four months of the second Trump administration. 55 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: The Washington Post claims. 56 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 7: Quote a million foreign born workers have exited the workforce 57 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 7: since March. The Post frames this as a sign of 58 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 7: the weakening labor supply, but the paper also notes average 59 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 7: hourly wages accelerated, rising by zero point four percent over 60 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 7: the month to thirty six dollars and twenty four cents 61 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 7: in May, as earnings continue to beat inflation in a 62 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 7: boost to workers' spending power. In other words, with fewer 63 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 7: illegal aliens, businesses have had to raise wages. 64 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: To attract workers. 65 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 7: But aliens will only leave if they believe Trump and 66 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 7: Holman are serious about making arrests, and employers know the 67 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 7: FEDS are targeting shady businesses. The voluntary exodus should not 68 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 7: be surprising. When President Dwight Eisenhower launched his deportation round 69 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 7: up in nineteen fifty four. If you don't know what 70 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 7: Dwight David Eisenhower named the deportation roundup, go look it up. 71 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 7: Nearly ten aliens left voluntarily for each one arrested. That 72 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 7: was the program begun in nineteen fifty four, So for 73 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 7: everyone they arrested, almost ten left on their. 74 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: Own, which, by the way, that's better. That's way better. 75 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 7: A post nine to eleven registration program also drove self deportations. 76 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 7: Department of Homeland Security cannot arrest and deport fifteen point 77 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 7: four million illegals. 78 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: This is according to the article, But if it. 79 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 7: Simply enforces the law, many aliens will get the message 80 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 7: and leave on their own, as hundreds of thousands, maybe 81 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 7: even a million, already have. One of the things that 82 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 7: people who want wide open and legal immigration have said 83 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 7: for years is why you can't deport them all. 84 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: We don't need to. We don't need to. 85 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 7: Look, if you weigh eight hundred pounds and you go, well, 86 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 7: I'd like to do something about it, and say, well, 87 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 7: I don't know if you can lose all, I don't 88 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 7: know if you can get down to one hundred and fifty. 89 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 7: You don't need to just going from eight hundred to 90 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 7: four hundred is progress. Just going from four hundred to 91 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 7: two to fifty is progress. You don't have to deport 92 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 7: them all. And what are we seeing as a result, Well, 93 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 7: here's phase two. NBC News, not exactly a conservative outlet, 94 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 7: reports regarding Glen Valley Foods. 95 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: Quote, every seat. 96 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 7: In the waiting area of Glenn Valley Foods was occupied 97 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 7: with people, and by the way, American citizens filling out 98 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 7: job applications. Early Thursday afternoon, two days after the meat 99 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 7: packing plant became the center of the largest work site 100 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 7: immigration raid in the state of Nebraska so far this year. 101 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 7: So cause and effect, ICE goes in, DHS goes in, 102 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 7: removes arrests, and removes the illegal aliens. Jobs pop open. 103 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 7: Oh well, Americans don't want to do those jobs. Oh contrare, monfrere. 104 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 7: Look what happened. Every seat in the waiting room Americans 105 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 7: were there to do the jobs that were now available. 106 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 7: When people tell you that Americans don't want to work, 107 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 7: part of what you have to understand is companies didn't 108 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 7: want to hire. That's the dirty little secret. And you 109 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 7: created networks. They didn't want to hire, They didn't want 110 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 7: to comply with America's labor laws. And when you hire 111 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 7: an I legal worker, you don't have to. You don't 112 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 7: pay overtime for overtime loss. You don't worry with OSHA 113 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 7: and all those things because those people are too scared 114 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 7: to go tell on you. 115 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: That's what it really comes down to. All Right, we're 116 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: going to. 117 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 7: Talk about Iran and Israel. Try to be circumspect and 118 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 7: fair about a discussion coming. 119 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: Up with bizarre of talk radio the Michael Berrie Show. 120 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 7: I don't recall an issue splitting Republicans in quite the 121 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 7: way the Israel Iran issue has in quite a while. 122 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 7: To be honest with you. You know, there's the never 123 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 7: Trump folks who hate Trump and everything about Trump. That's 124 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 7: a lot of those folks were at National Review. I 125 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 7: was not a Trump supporter in twenty sixteen. 126 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: When he came out. Many of you know this. I 127 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: was a Ted Cruz guy. 128 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 7: I introduced Ted Cruz in Iowa the night before the election. 129 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 7: The primary, the caucus, and Ted Cruse won Iowa. 130 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: People forget that. I didn't think Trump would govern the 131 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: way he's governed. 132 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 7: I did not. I also didn't think he was serious. 133 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 7: Now when I say that, I get a number of 134 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 7: emails going he was serious and he was going to govern. Now, okay, 135 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 7: I'm confessing I wasn't for him. So if you follow 136 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 7: the Trump arc, you will notice that there are people 137 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 7: who were very close to Trump, Michael Cohen, for instance, 138 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 7: who hate Trump. Now you will notice that there are 139 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 7: people who didn't like Trump who now are much more 140 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 7: supportive of him. The split of opinion on how involved 141 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 7: we should be in the Israeli Iran fracas is a 142 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 7: split of opinion, and I think is loosely aligned with 143 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 7: libertarians versus neo cons the folks who love war and 144 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 7: the folks who oppose war. I am much more the libertarian. 145 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 7: Trump has tended to be more isolationist. Is usually used 146 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 7: as an insult, but Trump has been a person who has, 147 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 7: throughout the course of his adult life been opposed to 148 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 7: involving ourselves in foreign wars. 149 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: And by the way, we have. 150 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 7: A terrible history, from Vietnam to Iraq to Afghanistan, of 151 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 7: losing a lot of treasure and blood for no good reason, 152 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 7: and that is a dishonor to the young men who 153 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 7: are willing to serve our country and now young men 154 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 7: and women. So I just think it's healthy for us 155 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 7: to have a conversation. Do I like to see Iran bomb? Yeah, 156 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 7: I will admit for the same reason I like to 157 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 7: watch Luchador's fight, and I like midget wrestling, and I like, 158 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 7: you know, clashes of titans and and you know a 159 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 7: bit of the old ultra violence. Yeah I do. I 160 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 7: don't like Iran. I think they're they're agents of EVA. 161 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 7: But how involved should we be to if at all? 162 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 7: Is a question that we should be having. And Tucker 163 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 7: Carlson has been raising that question, and he's he's been 164 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 7: the president has taking the gloves off, and a guy 165 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 7: that he likes a lot and respects a lot, he 166 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 7: has taken to insulting now as much as he insulted 167 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 7: Elon Musk over the Big Beautiful Bill. 168 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: And you can have any opinion you want on that. 169 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: I'm not telling you how to think about it. I 170 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: do think these are discussions we should have. So I 171 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: read Professor J. Coons, who's a guy who. 172 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 7: I see his name pop up on various issues, and 173 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 7: he tends to be a very circumspect fella. And it 174 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 7: was some real, if nothing else, questions with regard to 175 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 7: our involvement alongside Israel in the bombing of Iran and 176 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 7: potential engagement, and I asked him to be our guest. 177 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 7: He said, look, I don't want to be the expert 178 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 7: on the war or on Iran because that's not my position. 179 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 2: I'm just raising questions. And I said, that's fair. Professor J. 180 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 7: Coons of sam Houston State University. Let's talk first about 181 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 7: You brought up the Powell doctrine, and I think that's 182 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 7: a very good point to start. You talked about the 183 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 7: Power doctrine on committing US military forces. Talk a little 184 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 7: bit about that, because I think that's a good standard 185 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 7: we should use as to whether we engage in foreign 186 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 7: countries or not. 187 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 8: We'll get afternoon, Michael. And it's a pleasure being on. 188 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 8: When Colin Powell was a company great officer in Vietnam 189 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 8: and then later returned as a major. That cadre of 190 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 8: officers talked well during Vietnam and after Vietnam, and they 191 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 8: basically made the pact that in the post Vietnam era 192 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 8: they would never allow another Vietnam another American would be 193 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 8: conducted in that manner. So they came up with the 194 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 8: Powell Doctrine or the Weinberger Powell Doctrine basically set for 195 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 8: certain points as to how to make the decision on 196 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 8: whether or not to commit US troops to combat. Number 197 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 8: one is a clearly defined objective. What does winning look like? 198 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 8: In others? What is it that we're trying to do? 199 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 8: In very very specific terms. Also too, they wanted to 200 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 8: use force as a very last resort and only to 201 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 8: protect the vital interests of our country or our allies. 202 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 8: Was it necessary? Third to use the military force to 203 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 8: do that? Can we accomplish that aim in some other manner? 204 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 8: Fourth would be to commit. If we make the decision 205 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 8: to commit military force, to commit overwhelming force. And here 206 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 8: think of go far one and go war two. Also 207 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 8: go to the people, gain popular support for this action. 208 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 8: And last, only this when all the consequences and all 209 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 8: the permutations have been figured out. 210 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 7: It's a good standard, you know, you know, I think 211 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 7: that we should. I think that we should have a 212 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 7: process by which we analyze prior to engaging. I think 213 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 7: back to twenty nineteen and Iran had shot down an 214 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 7: unmanned US drone, pretty aggressive act, and at the time 215 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 7: Bolton wanted Trump to authorize a retaliatory strike. Pompeo did, 216 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 7: Pence did, all the Washington War miners wanted a retaliatory strike, 217 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 7: and the estimation at the time was that about one 218 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 7: hundred and fifty Iranis would be killed, and Trump had 219 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 7: authorized and at the last minute he pulled back and said, no, 220 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 7: we're not going to do that. And three months later 221 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 7: he fired John Bolton. And he was speaking to the 222 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 7: press in the way that only Trump does. It wasn't 223 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 7: actually a press conference. He was walking to get on 224 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 7: Air Force one and he was asked a question about 225 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 7: that and he said, this was twenty nineteen, so he's 226 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 7: three years into his first term. And he said, first 227 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 7: y'all called me a warmonger, and now you call me 228 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 7: a dove. I'm thinking through serious decisions because these are 229 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 7: serious issues, and I thought that was the right tone 230 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:36,359 Speaker 7: to strike. I will say this, whatever President Trump continues 231 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 7: to do does in the future. You know, if the 232 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 7: guy might be kind of a swashbuckling gunslinger off the 233 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 7: cuff with regard to his opinions on a lot of things, 234 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 7: but I will say that I have better judgment Jay Coons. 235 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 7: I feel he has better judgment entering into these things. 236 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 7: And I'm not saying anyone has to endorse this action 237 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 7: and endorse US supporting Israel or standing alongside and engaging 238 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 7: with Israel in bombing and boots in the ground, and 239 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 7: however far we want to go. But I will say this, 240 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 7: and I'm know Trump pumper, so I feel like I 241 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 7: have credibility to say this. I feel that the President 242 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 7: takes war more seriously and in a more circumspect fashion 243 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 7: than any of his predecessors in my lifetime. 244 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 2: And I was born in nineteen seventy. 245 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 7: His unwillingness to simply send in troops to be slaughtered, 246 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 7: which is going to happen if you're there very long. 247 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 7: You know nineteen ninety one, ninety two Iraq, you know 248 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 7: the first Golf War. That was a bit of an anomaly. 249 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 7: We can't count on that again. More with Professor j. 250 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: Cooms. You're listening to the Michael Berry Show. 251 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 7: Professor J Comes is our guest of sam Houston State University, 252 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 7: and we're talking about the extent of American involvement in 253 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 7: the Israel Iran fracas. And you have, for if nothing else, 254 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 7: a more circum circumspect approach. 255 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: I am not putting words into your mouth. 256 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 7: You're not necessarily saying the United States should not be involved, 257 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 7: whether in supplying or manning vessels and war artillery machinery. 258 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 7: You're just saying that we should have a sophisticated approach 259 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 7: something like the Power doctrine. 260 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: Is that right or not? I don't want to put 261 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: words into your mouth. 262 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 8: No, that's correct. Whether we decide to commit or not 263 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 8: to commit, the Powell doctrine gives us a pretty simple 264 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 8: step by step decision matrix that we need to go through. 265 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 8: We need to discuss seriously and how does that matrix 266 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 8: guide us towards committing our forces or not committing our forces. 267 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 7: You make reference to, and this has been a subject 268 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 7: that has bothered me a lot, particularly in Afghanistan, that 269 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 7: we send our men in to be police officers primarily 270 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 7: to get shot at, to walk on IEDs, to have 271 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 7: suicide bombers in the streets, but you can't fire first, 272 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 7: and often their children and women, and we don't seem 273 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 7: to equip them with the intention to win, and I 274 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 7: think that is setting them up for failure. 275 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: You made the point about using B two bombers. 276 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 7: With the GBU the bunker buster bombs to destroy the 277 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 7: Irani nuclear sites. What I'm hearing you say is to 278 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 7: quote the Power Doctor and unquote you in that reference 279 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 7: declare victory, go home and let the Israelis mop up 280 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 7: after let them mop up, don't hang around that bunker 281 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 7: buster bomb. Apparently we're the only ones in the world 282 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 7: that have some technology like this. And I think the 283 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 7: theory as I see it proffered, is this is your 284 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 7: one shot to get Iran. 285 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: You've got them on the ropes. You may not have 286 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: another chance at this. Can you elaborate on that? 287 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 8: That's correct from what I'm reading, the Israelis have either 288 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 8: very very seriously degraded Ron's air defense capabilities. But you know, 289 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 8: when you think about it, the B two has a 290 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 8: radar cross section of a bumblebee. Now that doesn't mean 291 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 8: that it can't get shot down, because it can't. It's 292 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 8: not bulletproof. But we have these bunker buster bombs and 293 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 8: to go in and do what the Israelis can't do, 294 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 8: which is not these facilities that are buried anywhere from 295 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 8: what eight to a couple of hundred yards underground, to 296 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 8: destroy those facilities, to not only prevent their creating a device, 297 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 8: manufacturing the device, but the lead up to it, the enriching, 298 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 8: the uranium and all that. To me, it's it meets 299 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 8: the meters of the Powell doctrine. Uh, it's a specific 300 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 8: mission to accomplish a specific task, and then we're gone. 301 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 8: You know, there are wants in their needs. Well, what 302 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 8: we want is the fundamentalist Islamic regime out and we 303 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 8: want a pro Western democracy in. Well, that's not going 304 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 8: to happen unless we invade, and that's not going to 305 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 8: happen or the Iranian people rise up. So if we're 306 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 8: not going to get our once, what about our needs. 307 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 8: We want an Iran without nuclear capabilities and an Iran 308 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 8: without the ability to develop nuclear weapons, and we can 309 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 8: do that fairly cleanly, very quickly, and then again withdrawal forces. 310 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 7: It's interesting that the word regime change. I think about 311 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 7: in the course of my lifetime, how that has become 312 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 7: such a dirty word and is a re for it 313 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 7: because it has been bungled at great cost. You know, 314 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 7: the original regime change before the Shah in Iran left 315 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 7: us with You know, we might have had twenty five 316 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 7: years of secular pro American alliance in Iran, but in 317 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 7: seventy nine Iran became the scourge of the world and 318 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 7: certainly our mortal enemy. Who does us a lot of 319 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 7: harm our men that were dying in Iraq. We're largely 320 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 7: dying at the hands of Irani insurgents, Irani trained folks. 321 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: You've got the UTIs. 322 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 7: You know, Iran is a real bad actor in the world, 323 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 7: and we bear some responsibility for how Iran came to be, 324 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 7: and I put that largely at the doorstep of Jimmy Carter. 325 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 7: But our regime change in Libya huge failure with Kadafi, 326 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 7: Our regime change in Egypt with Hasni Bubarik, huge failure. 327 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 7: You could argue, and I would that the Saddam Hussein 328 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 7: regime change ended up being a failure. I think hovering 329 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 7: over the mind of some Republicans, and I think this 330 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 7: is what Tucker Cralson is trying to say, is that 331 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 7: we have not been good at regime change. So when 332 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 7: you start talking about resume change, it's possible it ends 333 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 7: up worse than it is today. If that's imaginable, fair. 334 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 8: I'd say so, yes. The funny thing is is we're 335 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 8: really really good at resumed change, but not the post 336 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 8: change consequences. What happens then. Sarah Paine is a professor 337 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 8: at the US Singvil War College. One She's just a 338 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 8: who to listen to. She's got a very dry goal 339 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 8: sense of humor. But she was asked, you know what 340 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 8: was the difference. Why did we succeed so well in 341 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 8: the reconstruction of Germany and Japan yet turn around and 342 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 8: fail so miserably with Iraq and Afghanistan? And she talked, 343 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 8: that's pretty simple. You're dealing with first old countries with 344 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 8: Germany and Japan, and you know, third world countries by 345 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 8: and large with Iraq. In Afghanistan, Germany and Japan had 346 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 8: these institutions set up previously. Basically, all we need to 347 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 8: do is change the players in these other countries. You've 348 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 8: got to develop that entire system. And the question becomes, 349 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 8: do those countries have the capability at that point in 350 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 8: time to do that right? And particularly with Afghanistan, that 351 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 8: just was not the case. 352 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: And maybe never will be. 353 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 7: I want to be the eternal optimist, but you know, 354 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 7: you know as well as I do, that Afghanistan is 355 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 7: not The Afghan people do not consider themselves Afghan people. 356 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 7: They consider themselves Pushtuns and one of a number of 357 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 7: hundreds of tribes. They speak different languages, they are tribal 358 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 7: units almost exclusively. They do not devote allegiance to a 359 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 7: national currency, leader, culture, or whatever else. And I think 360 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 7: that's what gets lost, Professor j Coons is our guests. 361 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 7: I think that's what gets lost in all of this 362 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 7: is if you don't have the political infrastructure in a nation, 363 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 7: toppling the leader is only going to create a void. 364 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 7: This is what we saw in Iraq that's going to 365 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 7: be filled by often even worse actors. You know, as 366 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 7: bad as people did not like Basher in Syria, that 367 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 7: was much more stable than the replacement. As much as 368 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 7: people didn't like Cosni Mubarik, he had normalized relations with Egypt, 369 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 7: with Israel and was a relatively secular nation that we 370 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 7: could do business with. Replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood and 371 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 7: self governance is an interesting concept. You know, we all 372 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 7: want to be pro democracy or republic, but there are 373 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 7: some cultures where democracy is going to yield that which 374 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 7: I don't think we are prepared for. 375 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: The Kadaffi we had was a Kadaffi. 376 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 7: We could deal with the kadaff The replacement for Kadaffi 377 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 7: we couldn't. 378 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: I'm being told we are up against a break. 379 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 7: Jacoons, thanks for being our guest, professor at sam Houston 380 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 7: State University. 381 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 2: We'll have you back again, my friend. Thank you Kirk 382 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 2: Cameron of the famous Growing Pains man. 383 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 8: If it worked for Growing Pains, I wouldn't be on 384 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 8: the Michael Ben Show. You. 385 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: There is a movie called Tread Joe t r e A. 386 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: D as in don't Tread on Me. 387 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 7: I think it's probably in the Amazon Prime category. 388 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 2: I think that's probably where it is, but I don't know. 389 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: I never know. 390 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 7: I do Netflix Amazon Prime almost exclusively because Amazon Prime 391 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 7: has all the other things that have you know, movies 392 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 7: are different. I watch a lot of documentaries, so they 393 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 7: have all the OLDBS stuff before PBS went wacky. And 394 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 7: there is this movie called Tread which you'll either love 395 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 7: it or you'll wonder why I like. 396 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: It so much. But I think a lot of guys. 397 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 7: If you are a person, if you liked the movie 398 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 7: Falling Down with Michael Douglas about a guy who's just 399 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 7: had enough and loses it and what happens in the 400 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 7: course of that day, you will like this movie. 401 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: It's a true story. 402 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 8: By the way. 403 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 7: If you liked American Beauty, particularly Kevin Spacey's character who 404 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 7: just felt like he'd been kicked around by everybody and 405 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 7: everything and just lets it all go. Then you will 406 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 7: probably like this. So the story in the movie Tread, 407 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 7: which is, as I said, a true story. It's it's 408 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 7: based on it is a it's a telling of a 409 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 7: true story. It's a guy named Marvin Hemeyer, if I 410 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 7: remember correctly, and it's a town of Granby, Colorado. 411 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: And who knows whether Marvin. 412 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 7: Was actually wronged or felt he was wronged, but it 413 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 7: felt like the whole town was against him, and they 414 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 7: basically shut down his little muffler shop because he couldn't 415 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 7: get water into it. So the local town, the people 416 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 7: that own the cement plant, were on the city council 417 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 7: and the mayor, and it was small town politics, tiny 418 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 7: little town, and they did him wrong, he feels. So 419 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 7: he has a warehouse and he, over the course of 420 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 7: a couple of years, builds out this what came to 421 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 7: be known not by him, but can be known by 422 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 7: his legion of fans. 423 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: And I am one of. 424 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 7: Them as the Killdozer time out. So what happened is 425 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 7: Marvin Hemeyer it is so frustrated with this town that 426 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 7: he sees on line for sale for only sixteen thousand 427 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 7: dollars a Komatsu D three point fifty five a bulldozer. 428 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 7: In an auction, he buys it, he has it shipped 429 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 7: to the town of Granby. He kept it outside of 430 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 7: his business with a forced sale sign on it because 431 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 7: he'd gotten such a good deal, and he actually tried 432 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 7: to auction it, but nobody paid attention. So he was 433 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 7: going to flip the bulldozer, that's all. And then in 434 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 7: October of two thousand and two, he announced that he 435 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 7: was closing his muffler repair business because of the sewage 436 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 7: and the water that they prevented him from getting, he 437 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 7: couldn't operate his shop, so he sells everything off. What 438 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 7: they don't know is that he's now preparing for the 439 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 7: end at times, and he begins work in Earnest on 440 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 7: what comes to be known as the Killdozer, and Marvin 441 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 7: Hemeyer outfits this thing like a tank with steel panels 442 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 7: around the outside so that when he's shot at it, 443 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 7: it'll deflect him. And the town doesn't know what to do. 444 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 7: It's like the North Hollywood bank robbery. They never see 445 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 7: anything like this, And he goes through town just tearing 446 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 7: stuff up and until he gets it off its tracks. 447 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 7: He goes to bulldoze a hardware store, which was one 448 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 7: of his enemies in town, and little does he know 449 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 7: that the hardware store has a basement. So when he 450 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 7: drives across the hardware store, two of the right side 451 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 7: of the tracks goes down into the basement and he's 452 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 7: left there. 453 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: He commits suicide. Inside. 454 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 7: It's a dark story, That's why I said. A lot 455 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 7: of you won't like it, and you'll wonder why I do. 456 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 7: But anybody who has ever felt wronged and imagined making 457 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 7: it right in your own warped mind will underst stand 458 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 7: this mindset right. Two stories that go along with that. 459 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 7: Popo in South Carolina were involved in a low speed 460 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 7: chase with a man in an excavator. Speeds reached as 461 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 7: much as three miles an hour and what brand of 462 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 7: excavator was it? 463 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 4: Why? 464 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: It was a Komatsu inside edition with the. 465 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 9: Story, well, a high speed chase this was not, but 466 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 9: that's it and stopped the driver from trying. The North 467 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 9: Charleston Police Department in South Carolina says they responded to 468 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 9: an alarm. When they arrived at the location, they noticed 469 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 9: property damage and this excavator creeping away from the scene. 470 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 9: Officers attempted to make a traffic stop, but the excavator 471 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 9: kept going, although they never lost sight of it. When 472 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 9: the suspect realized he wasn't going to make a clean getaway, 473 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 9: cops say he'd ditched the machine and ran into the wood. 474 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 9: The CANON units were called in to locate him. He 475 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 9: was apprehended and charged with failure to stop for a 476 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 9: blue light and an enhancement to malicious injury to real property. 477 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 7: And if you have watched enrage as protesters have jumped 478 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 7: in front of families and prevented them from driving off 479 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 7: and nobody will hit the gas and you've thought that 480 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 7: you would INNBC Los Angeles with the story. 481 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 10: New video shows the scene at Fifth and Hill around 482 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 10: seven point thirty tonight when a protester was. 483 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: Run over by the driver in this red Toyota. 484 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 10: They hit someone, They ran over her leg. Protesters said 485 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 10: they were blocking the intersection when. 486 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 2: The woman was hit. 487 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 10: After the crash, the driver took off. Minutes later, paramedics 488 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 10: rushed the injured protester to the hospital. 489 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 8: She's thankfully safe, but yeah, I know this is what's 490 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 8: kind of going on. 491 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 10: The violent hit and ron marked the end of what 492 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 10: was otherwise a quiet day downtown. There was an afternoon 493 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 10: protest outside City Hall and an evening rally in per 494 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 10: Sheen Square. Jose Padilla was among the protesters who voiced 495 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 10: their opposition to increased immigration enforcement. 496 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not here for myself. I'm here. Can I 497 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: stand up and speak for those hours? I can't? 498 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 10: Can't stand up on a few But as protests continue, 499 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 10: many downtown businesses are boarded up. On this Father's Day, 500 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 10: almost every shop was shut down in the Jewelry District. 501 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 2: We're kind of timid about what to expect. 502 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 10: Erica Mosley and PJ. Bastiatti are visiting from the Bay Area. 503 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 7: We were trying to just, you know, come downtown to 504 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 7: get some rents, you have something to eat, and it 505 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 7: took us a minute. 506 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 8: To even find that that food market that's. 507 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 3: Still opened, but you know, blocks and blocks of everything 508 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: was closed. 509 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 10: Blair Beston is the executive director for the Downtown Historic 510 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 10: Core Business Improvement District. She said the curfew and ongoing 511 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 10: protests have hurt business. 512 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 11: It's really tough on the businesses, But at the same time, 513 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 11: we really need the curfew to help enforcement because without it, 514 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 11: it's kind of mayhem. What we're trying to do is 515 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 11: encourage people to patronize those businesses until that eight o'clock hour. 516 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 10: Bestin said she's hoping the curfew can be pushed back tonight. 517 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: We're really looking to. 518 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 12: Keep us supported and hope that people don't look at 519 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 12: downtown as just a place for mayhem and demonstrations or protests, 520 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 12: but also a place where you can come and really 521 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 12: enjoy a great meal shop and have a really unique experience. 522 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: That was in Los Angeles. 523 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 7: Meanwhile, in Florida, Ron de Santis leads the charge this 524 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 7: is what governors should be saying. 525 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 13: That if you're driving on one of those streets and 526 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 13: a mob comes and surrounds your vehicle and threatens you, 527 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 13: you have a right to flee for your safety. And 528 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 13: so if you drive off and you hit one of 529 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 13: these people, that's their fault for impinging on you. You 530 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 13: don't have to sit there and just be a sitting 531 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 13: duck and let the mob grab you out of. 532 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 2: Your car and drag you through the streets. You have 533 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: a right to defend yourself. In Florida, y