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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever quite seen a quarterback

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Speaker 1: pivot like JJ McCarthy. First three quarters he threw for

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Speaker 1: about fifty five yards, and then in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: he was Joe Montana. He was virtually perfect. So we

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Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about now winning time McCarthy

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Speaker 1: delivers baby. All right. So I don't start my show

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Speaker 1: with statistics very often, but I thought this was very

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Speaker 1: interesting and it serves a point. So in the first drive,

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is six ver six with one hundred and

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Speaker 1: two passer rating. The rest of the game he completed

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Speaker 1: fifty percent and a passer rating in the seventies. That's

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Speaker 1: a backup. In the NFL. JJ McCarthy in the first

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Speaker 1: three quarters unwatchable of thirty four passer rating, looked terrified

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter six of eight, one on one

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Speaker 1: passer rating. My takeaway. The further the Bears Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: got off script, the worse it got. The more JJ

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Speaker 1: McCarthy could play loose intuitive football, the better it got.

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Speaker 1: So don't be afraid to have a strong opinion after

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Speaker 1: one game. Caleb on script, velocity, horsepower, He can move

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Speaker 1: on script, look comfortable and daring and good. But that

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Speaker 1: opening drive in the third quarter, you could watch Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 1: who was visibly frustrated with his lack of accuracy. There

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Speaker 1: were also four false starts twelve total Chicago penalties, eight

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Speaker 1: on the offense, so and he was missing badly with

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Speaker 1: open receivers. So I mean, I think he's talented enough

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Speaker 1: to beat bad teams and mediocre coordinators, but that's not

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Speaker 1: his division. And he was one in five against his

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Speaker 1: division last year, the only win when the Packers rested starters.

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Speaker 1: So there, you can't watch that game and not be

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Speaker 1: a little unsettled. Off script, it looks like USC Caleb Williams. Wow,

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Speaker 1: he's talented, and so was Cam Newton, and in eleven seasons,

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Speaker 1: Newton had three winning seasons. Because Cam was all over

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Speaker 1: the map and too often relied on talent, his mechanics eroded,

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Speaker 1: his accuracy regressed. It was hit and miss. And that

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Speaker 1: was the knock on Caleb coming in. He had all

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Speaker 1: sorts of talent. But there's a million talented lounge singers

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Speaker 1: working at bad saloons. They're not coachable, they don't manage themselves.

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Speaker 1: Well you know they you know they aren't consistent. The

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Speaker 1: NFL is so much more than just arm talent. Jay

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Speaker 1: Cutler had a great arm, justin fields. Finally, as a

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Speaker 1: passing game coordinator he likes in New York. You saw

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Speaker 1: what he did. I also thought Caleb panicked when the

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Speaker 1: first and second receiver weren't there. Now again, Brian Flores,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, I have said this for like a year,

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Speaker 1: is the best defensive coordinator in football. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I think the staff of Minnesota this year, the Athletic

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Speaker 1: of the season. But Caleb does too many things that

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Speaker 1: his off script, his accuracy dips when he's moving, and

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Speaker 1: McCarthy just hasn't played in a couple of years. I

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Speaker 3: and unfortunately we were on the wrong side of that.

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Speaker 1: First half, mostly on script, you felt pretty good about it.

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Speaker 1: All Right, JJ McCarthy, I've never seen a game like that.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a quarterback do that. So the fact

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Speaker 1: rating after the first three quarters is remarkable. I mean,

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Speaker 1: were unwatchable offensively for three quarters. But I have found

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Speaker 1: my JJ McCarthy comp It's Baker Mayfield play at a

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Speaker 1: wish they were bigger, but all they have to do

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Speaker 1: Baker and JJ McCarthy can go into slumps and get reckless.

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Speaker 1: But if they make one big throw and they gain

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Speaker 1: He hit Justin Jefferson with a seed and that this

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Speaker 1: was a different JJ McCarthy, and this is Baker. All

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Speaker 1: Baker needs to step into it. One rope and Baker changes.

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Speaker 1: And again he's got Kevin O'Connell and Josh McCown. You

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Speaker 1: going to believe in you in life until you believe

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Speaker 1: lot of football games, but you saw two different quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you that was a different quarterback.

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Speaker 1: In the fourth quarter. Here is Kevin O'Connell after JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: For him to make some of the plays he did.

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Speaker 4: I told him at halftime, you are going to bring

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Speaker 4: ultimately that doesn't get done without him. In the second half,

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Speaker 5: You know at the end, now.

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Speaker 1: It does help Minnesota's got better ownership, a better front office,

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Speaker 1: the game. I said all week this was the last

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Speaker 1: this was one of the games. I just trusted the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Viking organization, their coaching staff. I think Ben Johnson's

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Speaker 1: a really good coach, but it's just in big games.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams has often been worse than the one o'clock window.

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Speaker 1: So Minnesota. Now this morning, J McK and I are

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Speaker 1: laughing before the show. What is JJ McCarthy. Well, I

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Speaker 1: and people have talked about if you drafted coaches right now,

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Speaker 1: good looking guy with a lot of confidence. Look what

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Speaker 1: he did is Sam Darnold. I don't think JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 1: is gifted enough to get a defensive coach or an

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Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, the production. They get their left tackle back soon.

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Speaker 1: They did start to develop a run game, a pretty

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Speaker 1: and confidence. But if you're a Viking fan this morning

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Ben Johnson's thinking that, because the

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Speaker 1: body language with Ben Johnson was disappointment. Even when JJ

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Speaker 1: McCarthy was struggling. I didn't sense that from Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 1: He was just sort of monitoring and watching, understanding the situation.

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Speaker 1: The body language from Ben was there, These are dialed

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Speaker 6: Just some more context for McCarthy. So he's only twenty

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Speaker 6: two years old, young guy. Yes, no left tackle Darris

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Speaker 1: He's in a couple of I think he's coming back

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Speaker 6: Adam Thielen was just traded for like five minutes ago,

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Speaker 6: had to draw brutal drop. You know, Jordan Addison suspended,

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Speaker 6: road at night in Chicago. I thought that was unbelievable

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Speaker 6: what he did in the fourth quarter, now quite Josh Allen, unbelievably, No,

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Speaker 6: but I mean looking pretty impressive. Look at the last

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Speaker 6: two fourth quarters we've seen in the NFL. Baltimore dominates

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Speaker 6: a game like it's not competitive, dominating a game the

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Speaker 6: wheels come off.

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. Look, I mean, if I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: five adjectives to describe it, I mean, they're just It

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Speaker 1: looked a little intimidated, a little slow, a little hesitant

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Speaker 1: to sixths. It was as bad as picks. He literally

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Speaker 1: threw to a bear in straw. Yeah, real quick. The

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Speaker 1: want to overreact. Green Bage's the best team.

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Speaker 6: Okay, who's the second best team?

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Speaker 1: I would say Minnesota over Detroit. Oh. I do I

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Speaker 1: think those coordinators. I think it's a major issue. Go

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Speaker 1: back several years ago, think how good the roster was

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Speaker 1: for Philly. They hired coordinators that didn't work Week ten,

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Speaker 1: they were circling the drain coordinators. Go look at the

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Speaker 1: Niners defense with Robert Sala, Go look at it last year.

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Speaker 1: People don't understand these coordinators are game changers.

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Speaker 6: that's a Fox game colling. That is kind of a

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Speaker 6: huge game for Caleb Williams and Detroit. Detroit can't lose

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Speaker 6: that can they can't start oing two. It's over, but

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Speaker 6: Caleb needs it badly given what happened in the final three quarters.

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Speaker 1: Here we go Herd Hierarchy, our first in season. Heard Hierarchy,

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Speaker 2: I'm now go the top ten of NFL teams according

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put the Vikings. I think they're going to

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Speaker 1: With JJ McCarthy's growth and confidence listen, Kevin O'Connell was

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Speaker 1: It took a couple of quarters to shake the rust off.

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Speaker 1: Ravens should have won the game. If Derek Henry doesn't

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Speaker 1: It's not college football. Everybody can play with everybody. Raven's

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Speaker 5: Let's be real.

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Speaker 1: No, they did not look good. Mahomes looked unbelievable. That's it,

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Speaker 1: Well. He has been one of the mavericks in sports,

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Speaker 1: It's great to see you again. And you major s mean,

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Speaker 8: You know, you can have tons of great programming. I

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Speaker 8: can go watch it whenever I want to write, but

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Speaker 8: live sports you have to tune in.

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Speaker 5: At a certain time.

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Speaker 8: And I was waiting for the moment I knew that

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Speaker 8: they were all eventually gonna need Live sports. Now you

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Speaker 8: see them doing deals with the NFL, NBA, and now US.

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Speaker 8: It's just been an evolution, you know, as Cable continues

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Speaker 8: to you know those dive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so you are now doing You're promoting

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Speaker 1: your first boxing match. Now, we talked about this before

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Speaker 1: you grew up in Boston. I was a boxing guy

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Speaker 1: in Vegas. You now live in Vegas. So my first

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Speaker 1: job out of college was in Vegas. I watched Hagler Hearns.

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Speaker 1: I was a Pacific Northwest kid. I moved to Vegas.

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Speaker 1: I fell in love with boxing. You know, I knew

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Speaker 1: I watched all Lee or you'd hear stuff as a kid,

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Speaker 1: but we didn't really have boxing. You know, where I

447
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Speaker 1: grew up. You were a boxing fan, and I always

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Speaker 1: kind of waited for you. My takeaway was, I would

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Speaker 1: argue you kind of ended boxing and then you create

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Speaker 1: TKO and you go into boxing. So is that telling

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Speaker 1: me that boxing still has a life.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean every time you think that boxing is dead,

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Speaker 8: a big fight pop up again. But you know it's

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Speaker 8: it's it's every once in a blue moon. I mean

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Speaker 8: we at the UFC, we go every Saturday, pretty much

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Speaker 8: every Saturday all year in boxing is you know, here

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Speaker 8: and there. So I'm promoting this Crawford fight this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Probably the best fight in five to six years. I

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Speaker 1: would say Canal Alra is the fighter of his generation.

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Speaker 1: He's a four division champion, yep, never been knocked down.

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Speaker 5: I agree.

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Speaker 8: I love this fight and the fact that Crawford is

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Speaker 8: willing to risk moving up in wait to fight him.

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Speaker 8: I mean, this is if you're a fight fan, this

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Speaker 8: is the stuff for us.

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Speaker 1: I've never lost tough childhood, been willing to put on

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Speaker 1: weight again. He's a knockout guy. Seventy six percent of

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Speaker 1: his fights are knockouts. This is as good as boxing

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Speaker 1: to me in the last five years. This is probably

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Speaker 1: the best fight.

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Speaker 5: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the best fight.

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Speaker 8: I love this fight. I forgot where the hell I

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Speaker 8: was going with that, but yeah, there.

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Speaker 1: Is the difference promoting UFC and boxing.

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Speaker 5: No real difference.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, as long as you're putting up

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Speaker 8: Oh that's so, I'm doing the Canelo Crawford fight for

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Speaker 8: Shake Turkey. Then in twenty six I'm gonna start my

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Speaker 8: own I guess we call a league in box. And

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Speaker 8: basically what I want to do is I want to

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Speaker 8: build talent. Like tonight, I have a show on called

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Speaker 8: The Contender Series, which I absolutely love Tuesday Night since

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Speaker 8: I take the best unsigned guys, yeah in the world.

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Speaker 8: They face each other that night, and I decide who

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Speaker 8: gets a UFC contract. And basically that's what I want

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Speaker 8: to do with boxing too. I want to take these

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Speaker 8: up and coming guys, you know, ten and oh, twelve

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Speaker 8: and oh and a ten and oh fights a twelve

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Speaker 8: and oh, you know. And like the undercard of Canelo

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Speaker 8: versus Crawford, the undercard is excellent, Like the UFC, when

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Speaker 8: you know, people show up for the first fight of

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Speaker 8: the night, not just the main event. It's going to

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Speaker 8: be that kind of a fight this weekend in Vegas,

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Speaker 8: So the whole undercard is incredible, not just the main event.

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Speaker 1: Well, Nick conn who you know very well, and you

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Speaker 1: Dana White, both are in the business of accumulation talent

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Speaker 1: and finding guys before the rest of the market moves.

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Speaker 1: And I have a little podcast company. We do the

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Speaker 1: same thing. It's exhilarated. There's nothing better than share somebody's ride.

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Speaker 1: But it's just unbelievable. So when you it's interesting, like

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Speaker 1: a lot of times on TikTok, I go to a

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Speaker 1: lot of business guys yourself a Jeff Bezos. It can

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Speaker 1: be a mark I think it's Andreesner Anderson and really

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Speaker 1: smart guys, Mark Zuckerberg. I'm looking for. I guess the

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Speaker 1: thread among successful business people. This is the thread I

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Speaker 1: oways here Amazon didn't make money the first twenty years

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Speaker 1: is that I don't think people understand you had a

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Speaker 1: lot of headwinds. I mean, at one point UFC John

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Speaker 1: McCain wanted it off cable and I always look at

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Speaker 1: your rise, and I don't think people understand how hard

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Speaker 1: it is. Was there ever a time in your rise

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Speaker 1: that the head went you had the Fatidas behind you.

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Speaker 1: Was there ever a time though, that you woke up

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Speaker 1: and thought, is this thing going to work? Am I

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Speaker 1: gonna get it? Am I going to get a week

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Speaker 1: of good news? What was the point that was hardest

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Speaker 1: for Dana White?

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Speaker 8: I always thought it was going to work, you know,

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Speaker 8: just as the timing right. It was the question and

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Speaker 8: there there there is a time Lorenzo called me one

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Speaker 8: day and said, I can't keep doing this. I can't

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Speaker 8: keep pumping this money into this thing. Go out and

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Speaker 8: see what we could sell this for. So I started

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Speaker 8: calling around that day and I came back to him

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Speaker 8: that night and said, uh yeah, probably seven or eight

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Speaker 8: million dollars when we were probably forty million in at

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Speaker 8: that time, maybe maybe thirty something million, don't remember I.

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Speaker 5: Did to convinced him.

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Speaker 1: Huh, how'd you convince him to stand in?

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Speaker 5: I didn't.

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Speaker 8: I just told him that and he said, okay, I'll

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Speaker 8: call you tomorrow. He literally called me the next morning

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Speaker 8: when I was driving to work and said, fit, let's

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Speaker 8: keep going, let's keep going.

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Speaker 5: So we did, and you know, thank God who we

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Speaker 5: are today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's been pretty remarkable when you you know,

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Speaker 1: when you look at right now at UFC, I've always

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Speaker 1: thought the hardest thing your job, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: if there's any luck involved, but finding the next John Jones,

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Speaker 1: who who I think is the best fighter I've ever

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Speaker 1: seen in UFC. I would say, probably pound for pound,

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Speaker 1: probably the best in my opinion.

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Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, you know, you know, as you look at

547
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Speaker 8: boxing and where it is now, everybody's undefeated, right, they

548
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Speaker 8: have all these guys that are undefeated because they won't

549
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Speaker 8: fight anybody now in the UFC, whatever division you were in,

550
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Speaker 8: you fought the toughest guys all the way up to

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Speaker 8: become a world champion, and John Jones did that for

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Speaker 8: the last However, many years and he's still undefeated.

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Speaker 1: So yes, so when you and I've asked you this before,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's I think it's compelling, and I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna find this in boxing. Boxing feels and

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Speaker 1: UFC feels to me. So global. Is there ever a

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Speaker 1: moment when when is there talent of plenty? Is it

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Speaker 1: just for Dana White to find it? Or are there

559
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Speaker 1: psych where like it's dry that you go six months

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Speaker 1: and you can't find talent.

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Speaker 8: No, I wouldn't say that. But and especially the sport

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Speaker 8: gets bigger, you know, there's more and more people that

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Speaker 8: realize now they can make millions of dollars fighting, right, So, yeah,

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Speaker 8: there was a point in time. There was a point

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Speaker 8: in time when that was the case, but not now.

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Speaker 8: There's plenty of talent out there.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. You used to come to California all the time.

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Speaker 1: We barely get you out here anymore. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that.

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Speaker 5: We're just talking about that. I was just talking about

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Speaker 5: that my crew when we were coming in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean it's a different time. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of pushback. There's a lot of things happening in

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Speaker 1: the country where when you embraced Trump. That's your audience.

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Speaker 1: I've been to UFC fights. I've been there twice. When

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Speaker 1: he's there, people love him, They go crazy. Did you

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Speaker 1: ever worry when you did this? We're such a tribal,

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Speaker 1: polarizing country. This could be bad for business. Did you

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Speaker 1: ever worry for a minute about that? Well?

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Speaker 8: Trump and I have been friends for you know, twenty

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Speaker 8: five years, So it's not like, oh, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 8: It's not like I was getting political and you know,

584
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Speaker 8: choosing a side or any This guy's my friend.

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Speaker 5: He's been my friend forever, so it wasn't really that

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Speaker 5: way for me.

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Speaker 8: And he's a huge UFC fan and he came to

588
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Speaker 8: the UFC before he even thought about running for president.

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Speaker 8: He would be at the events and held the events

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Speaker 8: at the Taj Mahal and New Jersey. So this guy

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Speaker 8: is just a person who's been a friend of mine

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Speaker 8: for a long time, and he's a huge fan of

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Speaker 8: not just UFC but a fighting period. I mean all

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Speaker 8: the big fights he held at the TAJ and Atlantic

595
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Speaker 8: City back in the day. It wasn't wasn't really a

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Speaker 8: political move for me.

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Speaker 1: You have you and Trump have something in common. You

598
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Speaker 1: don't sleep much. You're a live concert, live event, moving

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Speaker 1: all the time. There are certain there's almost an innate

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Speaker 1: energy with you that you this is who you are.

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Speaker 1: Were you always this guy? Were you always like burn

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Speaker 1: twenty four so you're like a human red bull?

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Speaker 5: Was it always like that? Yeah? Yeah, I can tell

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Speaker 5: you this.

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Speaker 8: Though he's seventy nine years old, he's way worse than me.

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Speaker 8: He never sleeps ever. I mean, this guy will call

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Speaker 8: me at night and it's and it's two o'clock in

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Speaker 8: the morning on the East Coast, and and and he'll

609
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Speaker 8: hit me again in the morning and he's up already.

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Speaker 5: He never sleeps. It's crazy.

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Speaker 8: So I'll get four or five hours a night, and

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Speaker 8: I'm good. I saw a guy on Joe Rogan saying,

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Speaker 8: anybody that tells you that they sleep four or five

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Speaker 8: hours a night, they're they're full of crap. No, dude,

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Speaker 8: you're full of crap. I literally sleep four or five

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Speaker 8: hours a night. And and I'll can tell you right now,

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump sleeps less.

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Speaker 1: By the way, my staff, can I take magnesium when

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Speaker 1: I go to bed, because I'm allowsy sleeper five hours

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Speaker 1: maybe five and a half.

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Speaker 5: I can't.

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Speaker 1: My eyes are wide open.

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Speaker 5: I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't sleep anymore.

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Speaker 5: So whatever it is it is, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: You are having a White House UFC. Is it next summer?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is interesting because I had a friend

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Speaker 1: once that was number one at Air Force, and I

630
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Speaker 1: think it was Reagan spoke. He goes, you cannot believe

631
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Speaker 1: the security with the president, but you don't even understand

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Speaker 1: what it's like. Literally, one minute before dinner, they changed

633
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Speaker 1: all the glasses in case there was poisoning. And he said,

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Speaker 1: So my take it was, this is a big event.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have a president there. Do you already have

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Speaker 1: to plan that?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how far in advance?

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Speaker 8: So we went to the White House last week, me

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Speaker 8: and my team, and we had the first meeting with him.

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Speaker 8: We laid out all the renderings and we started to

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Speaker 8: get him to sign off on what he likes and

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Speaker 8: doesn't like, and he loved it. So yeah, now we're

644
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Speaker 8: diving in head first. Now all the work starts. But

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Speaker 8: you're right, this is the first time. This last time

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Speaker 8: I was at the White House, I went up on

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Speaker 8: the roof of the White House and they got snipers

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Speaker 8: with fifty cows all over the roof. Of the White

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Speaker 8: House and it's it's pretty crazy. But yes, I mean

650
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Speaker 8: this security is going to be a massive issue because

651
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Speaker 8: at the end of the day, Secret Services job is

652
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 8: to protect the president. And I don't know how it's

653
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 8: going to work out as far as having people there

654
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Speaker 8: live on the on the lawn of the White House.

655
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Speaker 5: It'll be under five thousand though.

656
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Speaker 8: But there's a I can't remember what they call it,

657
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 8: there's a park that's connected to the White House. We

658
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 8: could put eighty five thousand people over there with screens

659
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Speaker 8: and you know, we're gonna put a big stage out

660
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 8: there in new concerts and we're gonna take over Washington,

661
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Speaker 8: DC that whole week.

662
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Speaker 1: So when you you know this, this fight this weekend's allegiant. Okay, Yes,

663
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Speaker 1: And I think ideally you'd like to be in Vegas,

664
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Speaker 1: Vegas McCarn or Harry Reid Airport. Now it's easy to

665
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: get in, it's it's the weather's almost almost good. You

666
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about flight delays when with the UFC,

667
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: Are there still states that you'd like to go in

668
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: that push back or is the world open? Do you

669
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: have a second favorite venue? Is there a you've never

670
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: had a fight that you're in. I mean, you took

671
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: it to an island during COVID, So where is the

672
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: place that you want to go that haven'ed? And are

673
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: you still accepted virtually everywhere?

674
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Speaker 8: Yeah, the world is wide open for UFC. We haven't

675
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 8: been in Spain yet. I mean this Saturday, I have

676
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Speaker 8: two fights. I have UFC Ocha in San Antonio, Texas,

677
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 8: which is sold out. We broke the record for the

678
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Speaker 8: gate and the boxing event this weekend is the number

679
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Speaker 8: three all time boxing event. Number one is Mayweather Pakiout,

680
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Speaker 8: Number two is McGregor Mayweather and number three, by.

681
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Speaker 5: The way, I was in Allo Crawford.

682
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I was at the first two. I want

683
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: to circle back to this because it's worth noting if

684
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: you don't follow boxing and you're sitting here thinking Saturday night,

685
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: the college football game you wanted to watch was in

686
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: the afternoon. Canelo Averlayers has held the title in four divisions.

687
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: That's unheard of. Most of us grew up with Ali.

688
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: He was a heavyweight. He wasn't going down four different

689
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: He's never been knocked out, never been knocked down. But

690
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Speaker 1: Crawford is nineteen and oeren world title fights unbelievable story.

691
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Speaker 1: My take on this this it may not be uh

692
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Speaker 1: Hagler Hearn's first round, but it will be a fairly

693
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: aggressive fight. That's do you have a sense of what

694
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: it will look like and do you usually with fights?

695
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 5: I agree.

696
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Speaker 8: I think that you know, Crawford has taken this fight

697
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 8: to prove that he's, you know, one of the greatest

698
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Speaker 8: of this generation, and I think he's going to be

699
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 8: very aggressive. I think he's going to go after Canelo,

700
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 8: and you know, Canelo is an unbelievable counterpuncher, great head

701
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 8: movement and powerful. I think that this fight is going

702
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 8: to be a war. I think that it's what I

703
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 8: love about being a part of this promotion. I think

704
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 8: that the fight's going to be great, and the whole

705
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 8: undercard is going to be great. I think people are

706
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 8: going to turn off their TVs on Saturday and be

707
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Speaker 8: happy they stay at home and watched it.

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Speaker 1: When everything to me, yeah, no, I mean it's I

709
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: am a regular US watcher and I buy for years

710
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: pay per view, so the paramount deal for me is

711
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Speaker 1: a win. I think it's always a win. I've talked

712
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: about this with broadcasters before. I don't want to be

713
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: behind to pay per view. I mean even there was

714
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: a time Howard Stern everywhere and then you disappear behind

715
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: a wall. I mean, let everybody's charged in for something,

716
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: give me something I can just turn on the TV

717
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: and get well.

718
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Speaker 8: I love being with the Allison's. You know, they're obviously

719
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 8: very smart guys, great businessmen, and very aggressive. So I'm

720
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 8: looking forward to being in business with these guys for

721
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Speaker 8: the next seven years.

722
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Speaker 1: So when you go look at your life in your career,

723
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Speaker 1: of all the people you've dealt with, and you've dealt

724
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: with business leaders, global leaders, politicians, is are you ever surprised?

725
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: Are are do any of these people you ever meet

726
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: your match? Do you ever think to yourself you walk

727
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: out of a room and think, man, that if I

728
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: could hire that guy, would hire that guy? Because you're

729
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: dealing with indust really a lot of alphas, very aggressive people.

730
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Speaker 1: I mean, when's the last time you were blown away?

731
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Speaker 8: Let me tell you this, I'll I got the answer

732
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 8: to that question. So Mark Zuckerberg reached out to me

733
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Speaker 8: and asked me to be on the board of Meta.

734
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Speaker 8: Right now, I would never imagine that I would want

735
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Speaker 8: to be on the board of anything, But when you

736
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 8: look at Meta as a business and the company when

737
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 8: you go in to one of these board meetings and

738
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 8: they start at like eight thirty in the morning, and

739
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 8: first of all, the board of Meta, just the people

740
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 8: they have on there are all just absolutely brilliant and badass.

741
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 8: And when Zuckerberg comes in and starts running this meeting,

742
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 8: I am literally on the edge of the seat the

743
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 8: whole time listening to He's changing the world, what they're

744
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 8: doing and the level that they're doing it at. What

745
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 8: blew me away is that I would be so into

746
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 8: you know, this thing starts at eight thirty in the

747
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 8: morning and we end at five thirty at night. These

748
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 8: board meetings, and he's got every minute dialed in and

749
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 8: he knows everything about the company inside and out. His Cfoh,

750
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 8: his CFO is unbelievable. She's brilliant, and she comes in

751
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 8: and goes toe to toe with the Wall Street guys.

752
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 8: It's it's absolutely fascinating and one of my favorite things

753
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 8: to do, which I would never in a million year's

754
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 8: dream I would be that into it.

755
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: Well, congress on that you you are known as an

756
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: aggressive is it poker or twenty one?

757
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 5: What do you play? Well, I'm playing baccarat these days.

758
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: And you're aggressive. I'm aggressive, and you just walk in

759
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: and you're going for it. Is there any casino that

760
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: has said, Dana, you're too good, there's too much money,

761
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: our margins are slim.

762
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 8: That's not that I'm too good. But what they do

763
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 8: is I have a style where I come in and

764
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 8: I want to bet as much. I want to bet

765
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 8: a million dollars a hand. I'm working on it right

766
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 8: now with MGM. MGM might actually let me do this. Yeah,

767
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 8: and one night, me and me and Michael Ruben so

768
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 8: and yeah, so he and I together one night only

769
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 8: a million dollars a hand.

770
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Speaker 5: Working on that right now, on that deal.

771
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Speaker 1: Oh were you always a risk taker? Is this just

772
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: who you are?

773
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

774
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 5: I guess yeah, that's.

775
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Speaker 1: Who you are. So again, allegiant. You have two events?

776
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Speaker 1: You have one in San Antonio on one in Vegas?

777
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 5: Yes?

778
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: Which one needs you more?

779
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 5: Uh? Yeah?

780
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Speaker 8: I think they listen. The UFC is a well oiled machine.

781
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 8: We go every Saturday. What I'm looking for on Saturday

782
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 8: Night for Canelo Crawford is you know, I can tell

783
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 8: you right now the television production will be amazing, It'll

784
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 8: be perfect, It'll be great, what I'm looking for is

785
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 8: the live event. You know, we're in a stadium, which

786
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 8: I don't love stadium fights because I feel like, you know,

787
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 8: you're watching two ants fight on a match book, right,

788
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 8: So we have to make sure that the people do

789
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 8: not have that experience. They have a much better experience

790
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 8: live VIP. You know, you get to your seats, you know,

791
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 8: your ticket in and they get you right in, sit

792
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 8: you down. I want everything to go smooth with the

793
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 8: live event. You know, when you think about the live event,

794
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 8: people fly in from around the world in other states,

795
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 8: they have to get a hotel room, they bought tickets,

796
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 8: they got to pay for the restaurants. It's expensive. So

797
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 8: I always it's a big deal to me that the

798
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 8: live event, the people who show up have an amazing experience.

799
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 8: I went to a boxing match a few years ago

800
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 8: and it was a horrible experience. So that's a big

801
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 8: deal to me.

802
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: On Saturday, Vegas has struggled year to year last several years.

803
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: I've got my beliefs. Why how does Vegas turn it around?

804
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: They have not been on a good two to three

805
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: year role economics.

806
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 8: That's total BS man. You know this whole narrative, right,

807
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 8: now about Vegas. Vegas is always doing well. Vegas has booming.

808
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 8: This weekend, there's going to be over sixty thousand people

809
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 8: coming in for this fight in Vegas, and that's just

810
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 8: one event. You know, Bruno Mars plays there all the time.

811
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 8: His show is great, His show is incredible actually, and

812
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 8: many many other things to do in Vegas. So everybody's

813
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 8: always counting Vegas out. That's ridiculous.

814
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: The restaurant. I always say this. If you know, when

815
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: I got to Vegas, I was out of college. It

816
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: was like eighty six, eighty seven, the Rebels, Jerry Tarkanian,

817
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: Steve Win. You didn't have pro sports. There was a

818
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: stigma that was all nonsense. I said that for years,

819
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: UFC didn't exist. There were boxing matches. It was Don

820
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: King and Bob Aram. But I you know, I used

821
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: to always say this is people don't understand how good

822
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: of a food town it is because everything starts in Vegas.

823
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 5: So true.

824
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: It's like every great restaurant that ever franchises, and I

825
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: mean the high end stuff. If I said to you,

826
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Speaker 1: you're going to Vegas for a weekend, You're lucky. You

827
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: just got a bonus at work. Somebody's watching this that

828
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: you can fly in to watch Canelo alv Resident Crawford

829
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: and you can have one meal in Vegas. Where would

830
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: you eat?

831
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 5: Carbone? Oh?

832
00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: The Italian Place.

833
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's incredible, that's incredible.

834
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 8: Always consistent, the services off the charts and if you

835
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 8: have to wait, they got a great bar too. It's

836
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 8: a great, great restaurant. I love Carbones. But like you know,

837
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 8: when I was growing up in Vegas and when you

838
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 8: were there, you know, Vegas was buffets or you know,

839
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 8: ninety nine cent breakfasts and things like that. Now it's

840
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 8: all the best restaurants in the world there, the best restaurant's,

841
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 8: the best shopping.

842
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: You know.

843
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 5: Now there's live sports there, you.

844
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 8: Know, and when people are talking about Vegas, the Raiders

845
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 8: are playing again, so you know, all their home games

846
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 8: are going to be sold out and packed and people

847
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 8: coming in from all over the country. And if you're

848
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 8: if you're a fan of the Patriots, right and there's

849
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 8: an away game that you're going to go to, you're

850
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 8: going to the Vegas.

851
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: Away we said for years.

852
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 8: And you're flying on Thursday, you know, have a blast,

853
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 8: go to the game on Sunday and then fly home.

854
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: By the way that was I know what you were?

855
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: Torn Vegas again? New England? Who are you rooting?

856
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 5: I'm not torn at all. It's New England.

857
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: Okay, you're not torn at all. You know we lost.

858
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 5: We just lost Sunday to the Raiders.

859
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: Are you you know Rabel?

860
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 5: No, we'll know.

861
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: Oh he's a butt kicker.

862
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 5: Yeah I heard.

863
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: Oh there's no nonsense with Rabel, sharp as attack.

864
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 8: Well, I'm close to Max Crosby, so if we're gonna

865
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 8: get beat anybody, at least it's Max gros.

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Speaker 1: Nobody better in the league than Max Fross. Love great guy. Hey, congrats,

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Speaker 1: we'll be watching the fight. Haven't seen you in a while.

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Speaker 1: You look fantastic.

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Speaker 5: Thank you brother, You too, man.

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Speaker 1: We're doing okay.