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Speaker 5: Welcome to Talking Cowboys. We are live from training camp
Speaker 5: in Oxnard, California. I am here with Patrick Noci Walker,
Speaker 5: I'm here with Tommy rsh and we have a very
Speaker 5: special guest one mister fourth and long Jesse Holly of
Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys, of Hanging with the Boys, Fain. Thank you,
Speaker 5: thank you, thank you, thank you, the famous Man. Thank
Speaker 5: you so much for joining us. Famous Man in that
Speaker 5: you just attended the Netflix premiere of One America's team,
Speaker 5: The Gambler. This cow was last night in Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 5: How was his experience? And also, welcome to the show Man.
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me. I appreciate you guys having
Speaker 6: me on it. You know, it's always a pleasure to
Speaker 6: be around be around greatness, So I appreciate that I'm able.
Speaker 6: I'm able to sit here with you. I want you
Speaker 6: find gentlemen, This is greatness. Absolutely, man, absolutely greatness.
Speaker 2: Hangs together like about this though, it's no I no
Speaker 2: c oh okay, yeah, Josh No, Jay worked that out.
Speaker 7: It's this is soft day.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Man.
Speaker 9: I went to the premiere last night and got suit
Speaker 9: it up. I did. I did. I brought out the
Speaker 9: I brought out.
Speaker 5: The good sneakers with your suit.
Speaker 8: Huh.
Speaker 9: No sneakers ever with the suit. I like it.
Speaker 5: A gentleman, A gentleman.
Speaker 8: What I think I saw you reeling?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Never, I'm mother, I'm mother. I'm I'm of the age.
Speaker 6: We wear hard bottles with suits.
Speaker 8: Balance both depends on the move.
Speaker 9: When I go.
Speaker 6: And I got on Tommy about this. I got I
Speaker 6: got on Young Tommy about this. I got on Young
Speaker 6: Tommy about this because Tommy decided to wear sneakers night
Speaker 6: one of the NFL Draft. No, I'm not going.
Speaker 9: I'm not.
Speaker 6: No, I'm not going to a premiere on the red
Speaker 6: slash blue carpet of this caliber in l A and
Speaker 6: put on one of my good tailor suits. What a
Speaker 6: pair of sneakers? No way, But if it matches the suit.
Speaker 9: My shoes matched my suit.
Speaker 10: That's what I'm saying. If your shoes matched the suit.
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 6: Stacey's or no, this was this was a pair of
Speaker 6: Mark Jacobs. This is this was a pair of this
Speaker 6: was a pair of Mark Jacobs. There's a pair of
Speaker 6: Mark jacob what's the phill Mark.
Speaker 8: Wing tips?
Speaker 6: So you know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 6: had on the Olive Green custom.
Speaker 9: You know there's some videos.
Speaker 5: Yea yeah, a p images, But man, what was a
Speaker 5: fragrance of choice?
Speaker 6: The fraguents of choice last night? Was?
Speaker 9: Was?
Speaker 6: What was the frequent It was? Because you know, I
Speaker 6: have these little travel things. You should, guys, you should
Speaker 6: get this. I know that everybody had, like the big
Speaker 6: Colone bottles. You can't travel them, but if you go,
Speaker 6: they have these small little ones where you pump it.
Speaker 6: You pumped the Colonne into it. And I think last
Speaker 6: night was was yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah home, we're just talking about that because yeah, Josh
Speaker 2: got the bottle of that.
Speaker 6: Yeah you had the black top the black bottles. Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: we were good. Get started worry about yeah, all get along.
Speaker 6: The thing that I came away with, like literally was
Speaker 6: my exact words to John Manchuda and Clarence Hill was damn,
Speaker 6: he's done it again. And if you all remember, like
Speaker 6: Snoop Dogg had something where he was like, this don't
Speaker 6: miss And that's what I took away from that last
Speaker 6: night and I and I said this on an earlier show.
Speaker 6: If you know me, I am not a carrier of water.
Speaker 6: I am not a company man. I say what I want,
Speaker 6: how I want, when I want, and I did with
Speaker 6: the consequences as they comet. It was incredible. This was incredible. Well,
Speaker 6: like I'm telling you, this was the cinematography of this.
Speaker 6: We got a chance to watch a ten minutes of
Speaker 6: the episode one and then the full episode three last night.
Speaker 9: And when I tell.
Speaker 6: You the way that they construins this, and because this
Speaker 6: episode three takes place in the nineteen ninety two NFC
Speaker 6: Championship game against the forty nine ers, right now, if
Speaker 6: you're a Cowboy fan, you know, you know, you know.
Speaker 6: But it was something about the way that they that
Speaker 6: you had features from Bill Romanowski, Steve Young, Jerry Rice,
Speaker 6: Charles Haley, Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Eddie Lobardo.
Speaker 9: I mean, you had.
Speaker 6: Heavyweight, and so you're having this two sided perspective of
Speaker 6: how this game is being broken down. You're hearing what
Speaker 6: Steve Young has to say, You hear what Michael Irvin
Speaker 6: has to say. You're hearing, you know, the mix between
Speaker 6: Charles Haley being a Niner being a Cowboy. You're hearing
Speaker 6: Emmitt Smith, You're hearing Bill Romanowski, You're hearing Jerry Rice
Speaker 6: and how much this rivalry kind of meant. And in
Speaker 6: the nineties where the team of that era, you know,
Speaker 6: coming out of the eighties into the nineties and the
Speaker 6: Cowboys with this upstart team. And then while you're in
Speaker 6: all of this and you're in this battle, right, it
Speaker 6: cuts away and it goes back to the nineteen sixties
Speaker 6: where Jerry were in Arkansas, right as a football player
Speaker 6: and then as a then as as as you know,
Speaker 6: it tells he tells a story about, you know, borrowing
Speaker 6: eight hundred thousand dollars to to to for a well
Speaker 6: and and that well being worth a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 6: And then it tells stories about, you know, he almost
Speaker 6: got into bed with not figuratively but in the business
Speaker 6: with a hafa, right, and how his dad talked him
Speaker 6: off that, and how he was a shoe salesman and
Speaker 6: on pizza shops and sold mobile homes and all that
Speaker 6: kind of stuff, and how him and Jimmy Johnson, and
Speaker 6: then it.
Speaker 9: It cuts back right right, and it.
Speaker 6: Goes back into talking about you know, his his time
Speaker 6: on his you know, with his dad and on the
Speaker 6: ranch and stuff like that. The way that this was
Speaker 6: done absolutely and again I knew the outcome of the game.
Speaker 6: I knew the I knew. It's still like, I like,
Speaker 6: I'm sitting and I don't know if this was the
Speaker 6: movie theater feel, but I.
Speaker 9: Was on the edge of my I was on the
Speaker 9: edge of my.
Speaker 8: Cinema.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, to know the results, to know the people
Speaker 6: that happened, to the intimate league. And still I'm like, wait,
Speaker 6: they break the huddle and Michael takes Alvin Harper's route,
Speaker 6: and Harper takes Michael's route, and they hear Troy Aikman
Speaker 6: break it down right like he talks about the play
Speaker 6: that they ran and how they broke the huddle and
Speaker 6: how Michael said it and all that kind of stuff
Speaker 6: and how Troy like, I'm at the line of Scrimmens
Speaker 6: and I'm looking and he's like he's looking across and
Speaker 6: look at the defense and he's like this ain't going
Speaker 6: to Michael. Like he's looking around, He's like this this
Speaker 6: bang ain'ts gonna be open, right, And he's like, I know,
Speaker 6: I want to go to Michael, and he says, do
Speaker 6: I trust Alvin Harper in this moment? This is from
Speaker 6: the mouth of Troy Aikman. He said, do I trust
Speaker 6: Alvin Harper in this moment? But he's like, Michael ain't
Speaker 6: open and he throws it to Alvin. And let me
Speaker 6: also say this, this is I ain't the only one
Speaker 6: that got ran down in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: Want to put.
Speaker 8: That harp like, put that okay, I just want to
Speaker 8: put that. Shut it down. I just want to shut
Speaker 8: it down. I ain't only ain't the only one.
Speaker 9: They got, you know, Paul sucked up and think for
Speaker 9: both the socks. It's a hot day. I'm just saying,
Speaker 9: shut out to Alvin.
Speaker 6: Harper, what a hell of a play, dirty harp.
Speaker 9: I ain't the only one I felt, I said. I said,
Speaker 9: I felt vindicated, Like I said, wait a.
Speaker 8: Second, the old people.
Speaker 9: I'm just saying it was. It was phenomenal.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you know anything about Jerry Jones and
Speaker 6: you know how to throw a party in the Netflix people,
Speaker 6: how they did that last night, Chef Kiss.
Speaker 5: Is there another team in the NFL that could do
Speaker 5: this to this level, to this level of cinema and
Speaker 5: have this much drama and intrigue, you know, and maybe
Speaker 5: the I'm biased and I'm.
Speaker 8: Saying sports period, sports period, sports period.
Speaker 5: No in the NFL, no.
Speaker 2: Not of my not in my opinion, I think with
Speaker 2: the with the right editors and producers, a team like
Speaker 2: Green Bay could probably pull that.
Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 8: Football historian.
Speaker 5: I those are kind of split up because the man
Speaker 5: in the Arena, Tom Brady's documentary that was really well
Speaker 5: produced series and that kind of covered the same topics.
Speaker 5: I don't think that as good as that documentary was,
Speaker 5: I don't know that there's gonna be that same level of,
Speaker 5: like like I said, intrigue and salacious information going on
Speaker 5: behind the scenes, like it is just a drama filled.
Speaker 8: Which means we have to leave the NFL.
Speaker 5: So I go Yankees, Lakers, Lakers, I mean last day
Speaker 5: in Chicago Bulls.
Speaker 9: And let me also let me also what we're doing,
Speaker 9: what are you doing?
Speaker 6: Let me also say this because I know I've seen
Speaker 6: already on social media and it's it's comic culture.
Speaker 8: Me.
Speaker 6: It doesn't really make me any difference, but I want
Speaker 6: people to understand that what happened last night. Yes, the
Speaker 6: Jones family attended, Yes, the Jones family was a part
Speaker 6: of it. This wasn't a Jerry Jones production. Okay, this
Speaker 6: was a Netflix event. This isn't So don't don't people
Speaker 6: come at you like, I don't care. He's focused on this. No, no,
Speaker 6: it's not corporate focus. This is this. This was hence
Speaker 6: why it was done here in California because Netflix and
Speaker 6: I was talking to the people that were involved in
Speaker 6: all of this last night and it was like, nah,
Speaker 6: this is a Netflix thing.
Speaker 9: They want. Netflix wants to make sure that this is
Speaker 9: getting seen.
Speaker 6: It's football fans are gonna watch it, right, like football
Speaker 6: people will watch this. But Netflix is not in the
Speaker 6: business of football fans. Netflix is in the business of people,
Speaker 6: human being human beings. So you know, last night you
Speaker 6: saw a lot of different like influencers and people of
Speaker 6: that of that elk because it was like, yeah, we
Speaker 6: get the cowboy fans are going to watch some of them,
Speaker 6: some of you don't watch.
Speaker 9: Makes me no difference. I don't give it down what
Speaker 9: you watch.
Speaker 6: But the football fan will watch, the cowboy fan will watch.
Speaker 6: But is how do we bring in the other Netflix
Speaker 6: audience instead are looking for a documentary, that are looking
Speaker 6: for a season series, and so a lot of this,
Speaker 6: all of this was set up and done by Netflix.
Speaker 6: This wasn't Jerry Jones saying I want to have this premiere.
Speaker 6: This was a Netflix saying we have to sell a product, absolutely,
Speaker 6: and so I just want to put that out there.
Speaker 6: I was talking to some people last last night about that.
Speaker 5: Well, we're all really excited to see it. We're also
Speaker 5: really excited to see the next Deep Blue, which premieres
Speaker 5: this Thursday, called The Wall two point zero, produced by
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Speaker 5: And it's about Tyron Smith, Zach Martin, Travis Frederick. Their
Speaker 5: line that very much highlights twenty fourteen, twenty sixteen and
Speaker 5: just the incredible runs that those lines went on. But
Speaker 5: moving off of that, we have a football game to
Speaker 5: talk about. This is our first football game of the
Speaker 5: season to talk about here and talking Cowboys, Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 5: I'll send rams preseason in Sofi Stadium in Los Angeles
Speaker 5: or I guess in Inglewood. Boys, what were your first
Speaker 5: reactions coming out of the game.
Speaker 12: Well, in Inglewood, you're always up to no good, and
Speaker 12: I think there was a lot of no good.
Speaker 9: I like it.
Speaker 5: That's my guy right there.
Speaker 8: I was wondering, who would do?
Speaker 10: Is that bad?
Speaker 8: I was wondering who.
Speaker 10: Was I thought it was a good segue, all right.
Speaker 10: I was wondering, Well, then I'll say, look, there was there.
Speaker 12: You don't want it to put too much stock into
Speaker 12: one preseason game, right, I think you have to kind
Speaker 12: of balance out knowing the fact that these guys had
Speaker 12: thirty seven guys sit out, twenty seven of which would
Speaker 12: probably be starting caliber players or guys who are getting
Speaker 12: reps with the ones when we get to September fourth.
Speaker 12: But at the same time, you know, you look at
Speaker 12: how this team played against the run, and I thought
Speaker 12: when I watched the game back, I don't know if
Speaker 12: you guys saw the same thing, but I thought the
Speaker 12: defensive tackles, not that they had a great day. I
Speaker 12: thought they did better than I initially thought. And I
Speaker 12: think really the where I saw the defense struggle against
Speaker 12: the run was the linebackers weren't filling their gaps correctly
Speaker 12: sometimes and you.
Speaker 5: Know, especially that second half.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and you know, maybe they're they're just missing their
Speaker 12: assignments here and there. But so the run defense, you know,
Speaker 12: one hundred and eighty one yards you just got. You
Speaker 12: would hope that with a guy like Maddie Beruflues leading
Speaker 12: this defense and one of his staples over the course
Speaker 12: of his career being very good against the run, that
Speaker 12: you see a little bit better of an effort there.
Speaker 12: But again, you look at this defensive line and these
Speaker 12: defensive tackles specifically, they're young guys who haven't gotten a
Speaker 12: lot of snaps, Jay Delia, Tamya King, Bisote, Ernest Brown,
Speaker 12: guys who just haven't really played a lot of football,
Speaker 12: and so you have to bring that all into account.
Speaker 12: And then offensively, we got the full Joe Milton experience
Speaker 12: fellas the.
Speaker 10: Roller coaster that it is is there's highs, there's lows.
Speaker 12: I think there were a lot more lows, and I
Speaker 12: think that you know, you got to settle him in right,
Speaker 12: you got you got to make sure that you make
Speaker 12: the easy plays to start things off, and I think
Speaker 12: six straight passing plays. You know, maybe maybe you do
Speaker 12: the quick pass or the handoff here to just kind
Speaker 12: of get him settled into the game. And you could
Speaker 12: tell the nerves were kind of getting to them and
Speaker 12: you see some of those balls sell, so overall, I
Speaker 12: think a good learning experience for a lot of these
Speaker 12: young players.
Speaker 2: For me, I stone on the defensive side of the
Speaker 2: ball as well, And I've said this on camping out
Speaker 2: on Sunday evening. For me, it's about analyzing it with
Speaker 2: the correct context. Okay, So my level of concern, like
Speaker 2: with the run defense right now, is not at the
Speaker 2: moment with the OSAs and the Solomon Thomases of the world,
Speaker 2: because we haven't seen them yet. We'll see them week
Speaker 2: one and then we'll assess that from there. My problem is,
Speaker 2: I'm still concerned about this depth. Right injuries happened. The
Speaker 2: Cowboys were ravaged by injuries last season, and we saw
Speaker 2: that the depth could not step up and hold for it.
Speaker 8: Right when you look at the run.
Speaker 2: Defense issues against the Rams, Blake Horn was having basically,
Speaker 2: you know, a day against them, which then allows steps
Speaker 2: and Bennett to have a day both on the ground
Speaker 2: and in the air. And then the coverage and the
Speaker 2: secondary I'll say it again, the cornerbacks group has been
Speaker 2: the most concerning portion coming into training camp and throughout
Speaker 2: training camp.
Speaker 8: A large part of that is due to injury. Talking
Speaker 8: about Trevon Diggs.
Speaker 2: You don't know what Savone Reveel is gonna be quite
Speaker 2: yet when he comes back from NFI. Don't have Josh Butler.
Speaker 2: Kaylyn Carson has battled injury already in camp.
Speaker 8: He came back. But we'll see.
Speaker 2: You got Kyrier Elam, but I didn't get to see
Speaker 2: Kyer Elam on Saturday. We'll see if we get to
Speaker 2: see him against the Raiders. But the other guys Zion
Speaker 2: Childress for the most part, notwithstanding and Israel mccwambo having
Speaker 2: the highlight play of the game, arguably outside of those
Speaker 2: a couple of spots, the coverage got exposed in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways. The secondary got exposed in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways. I have concerns there. I don't have a
Speaker 2: concern about Marius Leafhile you mentioned how things kind of
Speaker 2: opened up a little bit more in the defense in
Speaker 2: the middle of that defense in the second half. Who
Speaker 2: didn't play in the second half, Marist Maris got pulled
Speaker 2: at halftime rightfully, so he was the bright spot.
Speaker 8: Perry and Winfrey had some moments, some positive moments.
Speaker 2: Ernest Brown had a positive moment here or there, but
Speaker 2: I also saw him get kind of walked out, kind
Speaker 2: of washed out a couple of times.
Speaker 8: That's concerning for nose tackle.
Speaker 2: But then you flip to the offensive side of the ball,
Speaker 2: and like Tommy said, you got the full Joe Milton experience.
Speaker 8: Unfortunately it was more bad than good.
Speaker 2: And what I respect about that young man is I
Speaker 2: walked out of that stadium feeling.
Speaker 8: Like it was a D.
Speaker 2: His grade was a D. So then to see him
Speaker 2: grade himself as a D minus. Okay, now you're talking
Speaker 2: about a man with accountability and you can begin building
Speaker 2: from that. Yeah, absolutely, you can build from that, and
Speaker 2: that's what I love about it. But did he struggle?
Speaker 2: Absolutely he did. And I see what tom you're saying.
Speaker 2: As far as you know, six straight pass plays, maybe
Speaker 2: do some quick outlets, but if you go back and
Speaker 2: look at it, some of those overthrows were to the flats, right.
Speaker 2: He just simply couldn't settle down until the second quarter.
Speaker 2: And then when he did get the ball moving, self
Speaker 2: inflicted wounds.
Speaker 8: They showed up again.
Speaker 2: Jesse penalties, penalties, penalties, and then he got out of
Speaker 2: sorts again in the third quarter. I mean, we're talking
Speaker 2: about a breakout game from Ryan Flinoyd. If Milton can
Speaker 2: just find the touch on some of those passes. So
Speaker 2: shouts out to him for battling through it. Shouts out
Speaker 2: to Will Grier for taking advantage of limited reps, Malik
Speaker 2: Davis for taking advantage of limited reps. There are some
Speaker 2: positive to take away from the rams, but there's a
Speaker 2: lot of concerns also for me.
Speaker 6: I you know, and and both of you guys had
Speaker 6: fantastic points. I was on the sideline, like I looked
Speaker 6: at the sideline. I wanted to see all right, all right,
Speaker 6: Brian Schottenheimer, Okay, this is your debut, so to speak,
Speaker 6: of being a head coach of this football team.
Speaker 9: I don't think you shined.
Speaker 6: I don't think Brian Schottenheimer signed because even coming into
Speaker 6: that game, if your game plan was and and and
Speaker 6: I've said this multiple times, when I look at a man,
Speaker 6: I look at his words and his actions.
Speaker 9: Do they match? Do they match?
Speaker 6: And you've been telling us at every moment when you
Speaker 6: set up these podiums that this football team is going
Speaker 6: to be a physical, running football team. Then you get
Speaker 6: into the first opportunity.
Speaker 9: Well, I'll take it back.
Speaker 6: I thought you showed your hand a little bit of
Speaker 6: a little bit in in the uh. In the scout,
Speaker 6: in the in the in the practice, when you go,
Speaker 6: I got mad, I got pissed off, so I threw
Speaker 6: a bomb. Whoa hold on?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 6: Coach out of two reflects leadership here. I need you
Speaker 6: to be calm, composed and collected at all times, right
Speaker 6: like I can't have you getting upset in and being
Speaker 6: all of a sudden.
Speaker 5: Like ah, reacting emotionally.
Speaker 6: Throw it now, I get it now. When you when
Speaker 6: you sit back and you if there's one thing I
Speaker 6: know that Brian Shimer can lay his head down at
Speaker 6: night and know if push comes to shove when it's
Speaker 6: time to go. I got four, I got eighty eight,
Speaker 6: I got three in eighty seven, and there you go.
Speaker 6: I don't give a damn because you got Jimmy's and Joe's.
Speaker 6: That's gonna beat any Jimmy and Joe and any.
Speaker 9: We've seen it.
Speaker 6: We've seen it either we've seen it and you can
Speaker 6: sprinkle them in there. But I'm talking about full shot.
Speaker 6: None is here and there eighty eight, three, four and
Speaker 6: eighty seven book it right, And so I look at
Speaker 6: when you know he came into this game and he
Speaker 6: opened up the press coup and is his media portion
Speaker 6: of the game. In the pregame, it said, ever we
Speaker 6: gonna stay around the park, like, did you become a
Speaker 6: fan of Joe Milton or you forgot that you were
Speaker 6: a coach of Joe Milton? Because I just thought, like
Speaker 6: this is you didn't You didn't do Joe Milton any favors.
Speaker 6: You know what this player is you under You've been
Speaker 6: around this game far too long to know. This guy
Speaker 6: isn't the most accurate guy as a young guy doesn't
Speaker 6: how much football starts underneath him. Let me settle the
Speaker 6: young fella. Let me give Let let me give him
Speaker 6: an easy throw. Let me let me hand it off
Speaker 6: like you know you talk about most of the time.
Speaker 6: It's like, hey, let's boot and just let me just
Speaker 6: get let me let him see. You know in basketball
Speaker 6: they say when you can't you're not shooting, well.
Speaker 9: Get to the free throw line.
Speaker 6: I just need to see the ball go in the basket, right,
Speaker 6: Let me boot him out and just let him dump
Speaker 6: it off to the tight end or dump it off
Speaker 6: to the flat and just get a completion, right like,
Speaker 6: let him let him, let him see the ball go
Speaker 6: in the basket. I just didn't think the way he
Speaker 6: opened up, and then from there you were chasing. Like
Speaker 6: once those first two series didn't go well, I then
Speaker 6: felt like you were chasing a little bit, and then
Speaker 6: you found a rhythm in the second half. Uh and so,
Speaker 6: and then defensive side with Matt eberflus, are you going
Speaker 6: to give us answers to our concerns?
Speaker 9: And you talked.
Speaker 6: About the depth and the one thing about the defensive line,
Speaker 6: unlike an offensive line is the offensive line there is
Speaker 6: no rotation, right exactly unless a guy is hurt, yeah
Speaker 6: he's in there.
Speaker 9: There is no rotation.
Speaker 6: And so the guys that we saw in that game,
Speaker 6: a lot of those guys going to be in a rotation, right,
Speaker 6: Like a lot of those guys you know, off defensive
Speaker 6: linemen don't play sixty snaps, right, Like the big boys
Speaker 6: don't play that. They'll play twenty, they'll play thirty. And
Speaker 6: there's some other guys that get in there. So I'm
Speaker 6: looking at, Okay, what happens when those guys have to
Speaker 6: go in there?
Speaker 9: How much of a fall off is that?
Speaker 8: Exactly?
Speaker 6: You see what I'm saying, Like, how much do we
Speaker 6: lose when I mean, we don't even really have a
Speaker 6: big guy in the front that we can really depend on.
Speaker 9: But what happens when that doesn't work right? When what
Speaker 9: we have Michael back in there.
Speaker 6: So that's kind of stuff I looked at from the
Speaker 6: side and I was like, for the debut of these
Speaker 6: two guys, it left much to be desired and a
Speaker 6: lot of question still at hand on what this football
Speaker 6: team's identity is, what this football team's culture is going
Speaker 6: to be, and hopefully we get answers to that sooner
Speaker 6: rather than late.
Speaker 2: Well we'll quick I'll say this, and I thought of you, Josh.
Speaker 2: For the second time in four days, we saw the
Speaker 2: Cowboys get out physical, first being the scrimmage against the Rams,
Speaker 2: the second being the preseason game against the Rams.
Speaker 5: That's fair. Another point to that, though, is the unknown,
Speaker 5: the unknown of it all. And Brian john Nimer was
Speaker 5: talking about Joe Milton yesterday and the reason why he
Speaker 5: was playing so many snaps is they know Will Greer.
Speaker 5: They don't know Joe Milton on in again exactly. They
Speaker 5: haven't seen him in this system out there on the field.
Speaker 5: When we come back, we need to talk more about
Speaker 5: what we know now in terms of Joe Milton. We
Speaker 5: will take a quick break. We'll be right back right
Speaker 5: after this.
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Speaker 5: Welcome back to Talking Cowboys live from training Campinoxsnar, California.
Speaker 5: This segment is brought to you by in Visilne, the
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Speaker 5: about some other breakfast food that we used to do
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Speaker 5: But the official smile of Dallas Cowboys. If you didn't know, guys,
Speaker 5: we got to know Joe a little bit in this
Speaker 5: preseason game. He got to play first and most of
Speaker 5: the second half. Schottenheimer's talking about it yesterday. It's like,
Speaker 5: you know, we have him out there because we need
Speaker 5: to know who he is as a player on the field.
Speaker 5: You see him in practice, We've seen the throws that
Speaker 5: he can make, We've seen the throws that he can't make.
Speaker 5: And now you've got a bigger taste of what Joe
Speaker 5: Milton has been able to do on the field with
Speaker 5: the Cowboys. Can you kind of compare and contrast his
Speaker 5: first and second half, because obviously it was slow going
Speaker 5: at first six pass plays in a row three well
Speaker 5: I think it was two to three and now it's
Speaker 5: correct correct. So what did you get to know about
Speaker 5: Joe Milton?
Speaker 12: I mean, if I'm being honest, really not a lot.
Speaker 12: I still we still don't know about Joe Milton. Brid
Speaker 12: Schotenhimer said it yesterday.
Speaker 10: We don't know, We don't know what we have in
Speaker 10: Joe Milton. Yet we don't we know what traits he has.
Speaker 12: We know he has a great arm, we know he
Speaker 12: can use his legs, and we know that we've seen
Speaker 12: him make touch passes here in trading camp every once
Speaker 12: in a while, but we don't know what he is consistently.
Speaker 10: We don't know what he still needs.
Speaker 12: We know he still needs to work on, you know,
Speaker 12: getting through his reads quicker and making decisions quicker, not
Speaker 12: holding the ball for forever in the backfield. But for
Speaker 12: the most part, we don't know because this guy has
Speaker 12: not played a lot of football. He just straight up
Speaker 12: hasn't and especially at the NFL level. He's played three
Speaker 12: preseason games last year and one regular season game, so
Speaker 12: this is his fifth career NFL game, and it's not
Speaker 12: really shocking, I should say, to see what he just
Speaker 12: the inconsistency, and you mentioned the question being you know
Speaker 12: what did you see first half?
Speaker 10: Second half?
Speaker 12: Really not much different. It was inconsistent, and I think
Speaker 12: you saw him a little bit more relaxed and settled
Speaker 12: in in the second half, but really not by much.
Speaker 12: You know, you pick apart some of the good throws.
Speaker 12: I mean, you go, you look at the pass to
Speaker 12: the corner of the ends of the revolve of Fairweather.
Speaker 12: That's a highlight. But then again, he had Flinoy going
Speaker 12: in the back corner. I think it was a slot
Speaker 12: fade and he just overshoots me what I had a
Speaker 12: touchdown too.
Speaker 10: So it's still so much unknown, and there's still so.
Speaker 12: Much more refining that you need to do with Joe
Speaker 12: Melton to be confident in him being your backup quarterback.
Speaker 12: But the issue is there's two weeks until the preseason's
Speaker 12: over and only a couple more after that until you
Speaker 12: open the year against Philadelphia, And if Dak Prescott goes down,
Speaker 12: can you count on.
Speaker 10: Him to win you a game?
Speaker 2: And that's where I was going to go when it
Speaker 2: comes to Joe Milton in that kind of circling back
Speaker 2: to Tommy's point about touch. This is something that coming
Speaker 2: into training camp, I wanted to see not once or twice.
Speaker 8: From Joe Milton.
Speaker 2: I needed to see it consistently because until you can
Speaker 2: do it consistently, you're not telling me that you're.
Speaker 8: Ready for the next level. Okay, well, the next stage.
Speaker 2: We've seen him make some touch passes here in Oxnar,
Speaker 2: but we've also seen some of those passes sell We
Speaker 2: saw far too few passes that require touch that actually
Speaker 2: had touch against the Rams in the preseason opener. We
Speaker 2: could talk about, you know, Floyd putting his defender in
Speaker 2: a blender with the double moved backpyline fadus right there
Speaker 2: for you. Just lay it up for him. Okay, deep
Speaker 2: middle crosser, wide open, just lay it up for him.
Speaker 2: He makes those two throws, we're having a much different
Speaker 2: conversation about about that young man right now. Unfortunately he didn't.
Speaker 2: So when you look at that and you combine it
Speaker 2: with something that Jesse and I we've talked about this
Speaker 2: and Isaiah and now we've talked about this as well.
Speaker 2: One thing about Joe Milton is he's not going through
Speaker 2: his reads in the way that you would want him
Speaker 2: to go through his reads. If anything gets him off
Speaker 2: his first read, it feels like he either panics and
Speaker 2: he tries to bail, or he panics and he freezes.
Speaker 2: He holds the ball for too long, and now you're
Speaker 2: giving defenders an opportunity to get into that backfield, and
Speaker 2: you're already dealing with an offensive line that's trying.
Speaker 8: To figure itself out right now.
Speaker 2: So between those two things, he needs to be a
Speaker 2: little bit more decisive.
Speaker 8: He needs to read the field a bit better, but.
Speaker 2: Also as strong as his arm is, and we all
Speaker 2: know how strong his arm is. I think he's over
Speaker 2: very dependent on the strength of his arm. You don't
Speaker 2: always need to throw the fastball. The one hundred and
Speaker 2: one mile an hour fastball to a guy running the
Speaker 2: slant is not necessary, right, Ryan Fannoyd, deep middle crosser,
Speaker 2: you don't need.
Speaker 8: The cannon there. You need the sweeping curve. Right.
Speaker 5: And this guy that they've harped on his throwing mechanics
Speaker 5: and how intelligent he is in terms of getting his
Speaker 5: footwork right and passing mechanics throughout camp, but you didn't
Speaker 5: necessarily see it in that preseason game. It's a level
Speaker 5: of concern because it's like you want him to be
Speaker 5: prepared and up in the moment. But another thing Shoddy
Speaker 5: mentioned yesterday is that a lot of these guys were
Speaker 5: kind of forgetting what they've learned up until this point
Speaker 5: and rely on instinct, which is kind of what you
Speaker 5: saw from Joe.
Speaker 2: And to that point, Josh, and I'm glad you segued
Speaker 2: it this way for me. There's also an aspect of
Speaker 2: Joe Milton. If you go back and look at the film.
Speaker 2: In lieu of anticipatory throws, he believes his cannon can
Speaker 2: force that ball to any window at any time, regardless
Speaker 2: of if he's anticipating a throw or not. Not when
Speaker 2: you're playing under the lights at the NFL level, that's
Speaker 2: not how it works. You have to have anticipation as
Speaker 2: opposed to thinking that extra split second, Oh, I can
Speaker 2: look off and come back here, and I have the
Speaker 2: arm strength to do that. By that time, it's almost
Speaker 2: a pick. How many times did the Rams nearly intercept
Speaker 2: Joe Milton because of a situation like that. Instead of
Speaker 2: anticipating and seeing that and getting the ball to that spot,
Speaker 2: he glanced off four a second came back because in
Speaker 2: his head he's like, oh, I can get that throw
Speaker 2: in there. The linebacker, the secondary they're like, uh, not
Speaker 2: so much here, brother. So I would like to see
Speaker 2: those things improve. Was it all bad? Absolutely not, But
Speaker 2: there was more bad than good. And that's why I
Speaker 2: agree with his grade of himself as a D minus.
Speaker 6: Joe Milton is a far away than.
Speaker 9: We all would like him to be.
Speaker 6: And if I can, if I could put a Rekie
Speaker 6: Specki out there, say your backup quarterback ain't on his roster.
Speaker 9: Wow, if I'm because think.
Speaker 5: About it, I think this coach is I would disagree.
Speaker 9: Think about it.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure they can and that there's opposed to
Speaker 6: because they believe in their skills.
Speaker 8: They cool.
Speaker 9: I'm happy with that.
Speaker 6: But let's just like, if we're thinking about emotion, if
Speaker 6: we're thinking about this right and this is yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: if something happens to four, who are you putting out there?
Speaker 9: Who are you putting out.
Speaker 8: There right now, right now, right now would be will Gar?
Speaker 8: Right now?
Speaker 6: Are we confident that Will Grier can do and win
Speaker 6: US three, four, five games?
Speaker 2: I'm confident he can get you. He can get you
Speaker 2: that one and then from that one. Now it's now
Speaker 2: it's schematics. From that one, after that one, it's schematics.
Speaker 6: I just look at this and I go when they
Speaker 6: when the rosters start to be you know, broken down
Speaker 6: and players getting released, I would not be shocked if
Speaker 6: the Cowboys go out and bring in a veteran quarterback
Speaker 6: to be in this especially now that you're able to
Speaker 6: keep the four quarterbacks and you know you have the
Speaker 6: emergency you want. That still gives an opportunity for Joe
Speaker 6: Milton to be around and be developed. But you know,
Speaker 6: you just don't want to go into this year with
Speaker 6: a bunch of life. It's once it's one thing to
Speaker 6: have hope that a guy can do something, but when
Speaker 6: that hope is you know, atlantic ocean size hope, that
Speaker 6: that you can't go in with that much hope, that
Speaker 6: that's not a.
Speaker 5: Strategy two and three. Change your mind about this. No, No,
Speaker 5: you feel if he has a substantially better performance than
Speaker 5: two and three.
Speaker 9: I don't think he will.
Speaker 8: That's fair.
Speaker 6: I just, I just, I just I'm looking at the
Speaker 6: player and I'm looking at progression, right like, all right,
Speaker 6: where where have we been since we've we've started this thing?
Speaker 6: I'm talking about OTAs in mini camp, things of that nature,
Speaker 6: right like, if we're still talking about the touch factor,
Speaker 6: if we're still talking about the anticipatory uh knowledge of
Speaker 6: how to break down progressions? Right Like, I'm not tweeted
Speaker 6: this out, you know, shout out to the wide receivers
Speaker 6: and and I'm I'm biased.
Speaker 8: Boy.
Speaker 6: They was out there running a lot of love for
Speaker 6: the game routes. They're running a lot of their love
Speaker 6: of the game routes, a lot of a lot of
Speaker 6: routes are that they just run in cause they're like,
Speaker 6: it ain't coming, ain't gonna get here, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. And that sucks because you know.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to make a team.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to make a team, and I route this
Speaker 6: dude up and I give him this business and I'm
Speaker 6: wide open, and you sell it ten yards over my head,
Speaker 6: you see what I'm saying. Frust So it's a frustrating
Speaker 6: thing to look at. And when you see that, you're
Speaker 6: just like, well, that's a really easy throw. Now you know,
Speaker 6: you get two more chances at it. I just I
Speaker 6: don't think the progression has happened so much, and I
Speaker 6: think that it's gonna take time to get Jill Milton
Speaker 6: off the mindset of I have this bazooka arm and
Speaker 6: so like it. You see, I call it arrogant throws. Right,
Speaker 6: You've watched.
Speaker 9: Aaron Rodgers and his primes.
Speaker 6: You've seen Patrick Mahomes and sometimes John Island and Joe Burrows,
Speaker 6: guys with the big arms, Right, they have these arrogant
Speaker 6: throws and sometimes like, hey, just because you can don't
Speaker 6: mean you should, right, And and sometimes until you get
Speaker 6: that knowledge of what's happening. Because sometimes we'll watch a
Speaker 6: game and we'll be like, ooh, you see that throw
Speaker 6: that that's and I'm going, yeah, but the percentage it
Speaker 6: says for every one time you complete it, you gotta
Speaker 6: be knowledge enough to know I probably shouldn't go back
Speaker 6: to that water we again, right, But like I watched
Speaker 6: that game in Joe Milton and there should have been
Speaker 6: two pick sixes on his out telling you like two
Speaker 6: that he through well behind the receiver, that the normal game.
Speaker 5: Is a pick six against starting secondaries.
Speaker 6: That you see what I'm saying, Like yeah, like that
Speaker 6: those guys are walking in front of that like thank you,
Speaker 6: and they're going the opposite way, so that there's there's
Speaker 6: a lot of ground that needs to be covered by
Speaker 6: Joe Milton. And and then also you know, because I
Speaker 6: heard coach talking about it yesterday about them wanting to
Speaker 6: know more about Joe Mitch means we get to see
Speaker 6: less of Will Grere, which I think, damn, that's unfair,
Speaker 6: right because Will was like I get it, but what happens, well,
Speaker 6: what about me?
Speaker 8: We heard we.
Speaker 6: Heard Cooper Rush out of the year ago is like, hey,
Speaker 6: they gave Trey Lance all the snaps because they want
Speaker 6: to see what Trey Lance was and I didn't get any.
Speaker 6: I need that too. Look, I need to work too.
Speaker 6: I'm not getting a lot of reps in practice.
Speaker 9: I need to.
Speaker 6: I need to make sure that my my sword is
Speaker 6: still sharp when I go out there. Don't don't, don't,
Speaker 6: don't put me behind the eight ball because he ain't
Speaker 6: showing you enough in practice weekend and week out. Now
Speaker 6: let me get mine too, so that if if you
Speaker 6: decide that I'm not a part of your equation anymore,
Speaker 6: I got something on a film that someone else would like,
Speaker 6: and I can go out somewhere else.
Speaker 8: Here's what I say.
Speaker 2: My mind can change based upon these next two games.
Speaker 2: Now that the angle that that Jesse and I are
Speaker 2: looking at it are a bit different, a bit differently.
Speaker 2: Jesse is saying he doesn't believe that Joe okay fair
Speaker 2: enough because he's going by the body of work, and
Speaker 2: like thereop to this point. I'm saying that if he
Speaker 2: proved just wrong and balls out against the Raiders, for example,
Speaker 2: oh okay, that that's my thought process. I'm like, oh okay,
Speaker 2: I see you, Joe, Now do it one more time
Speaker 2: in the finale, because again, consistency is key.
Speaker 8: Going out and having one big game. That's great and all,
Speaker 8: but can you have to.
Speaker 6: But but and I hear what you're saying, Yeah, you've
Speaker 6: been here since.
Speaker 8: Win uh Jude July twentieth.
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, what is the same thing that you just say.
Speaker 8: I've seen the same.
Speaker 10: So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: If he proves you wrong, then I'll be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: so where our points are attached.
Speaker 8: Where our points are attached. But we're hoping, yeah, we
Speaker 8: are hoping hoping here's all the.
Speaker 6: Weeks of work in two weeks that you will ultimately
Speaker 6: it'll click, that it'll click when I've seen like I've
Speaker 6: seen a body of work since April. That's true, that
Speaker 6: says the same thing about you. Right, Like we've said
Speaker 6: the same We can I can go back and watch
Speaker 6: Joe show, my show, his show, and that show, this show,
Speaker 6: and we're all going to say the same thing about
Speaker 6: Joe Milk.
Speaker 2: And we're saying right now today, you're saying in two weeks,
Speaker 2: the biggest changes we see, the biggest concern is Okay,
Speaker 2: let's say let's say you were of the mindset that, oh, well,
Speaker 2: the cowboys should go aheading and bring in a more
Speaker 2: proven veteran. Okay, well, let me give you like two
Speaker 2: or three names that are in the free agency pool.
Speaker 2: When you tell me how much cringe is attached to
Speaker 2: these names? When I say these names number one, Carson Wentz, Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: Jeff Driscoll who exactly? And and I hate to do it,
Speaker 2: but I gotta do it, you know, Jake from No Georgia.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but just absolutely.
Speaker 10: I think that makes a big point. But here's the thing.
Speaker 8: They're not out there. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Happens when roster break down.
Speaker 2: No, that's different, right, that's different when we start talking
Speaker 2: waivers and people start falling off of rosters in about
Speaker 2: two weeks, And that's a different convers I want to
Speaker 2: get your point before.
Speaker 12: But here's the thing is, even when guys get off
Speaker 12: of rosters like you guys are mentioning, that's a good point.
Speaker 12: Is there going to be a guy that's on waivers
Speaker 12: that has veteran experience of this team doesn't have. Is
Speaker 12: there going to be someone better than the guys that
Speaker 12: Patrick just listed that you can feel confident in saying, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 12: this guy can go win.
Speaker 10: It's a game. I like to trade for Joe Milton
Speaker 10: in the off season. I didn't like this team. Let
Speaker 10: Cooper Rush go.
Speaker 12: I think just the fact that he was so valuable
Speaker 12: in terms of the backup quarterback position as a whole,
Speaker 12: is so valuable in today's NFL with how many injuries
Speaker 12: there are in the game now that when you have
Speaker 12: a guy like that, it's a luxury. It's a luxury
Speaker 12: to have a guy that you can count on to
Speaker 12: go win you games. Is it cool fun sexually football? No,
Speaker 12: not all the time. But it doesn't matter. One games
Speaker 12: for him when he needed to, he lost games.
Speaker 8: Letting you finis.
Speaker 12: I'm I'm not saying it's going to be your starter,
Speaker 12: but he's been there and he's done that, and that's
Speaker 12: something that this team right now just doesn't have.
Speaker 2: Four was not what you wanted to resigning, But in
Speaker 2: terms of him being able to come in at least,
Speaker 2: I'll give you.
Speaker 6: For sure four goes down, We're screwed.
Speaker 9: That's just that's just what it is.
Speaker 8: Stay up for Pauls.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, hopefully we do not have that issue. But
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Speaker 5: to talk about the most surprising things that happened in
Speaker 5: the game. And I don't want to say surprising in
Speaker 5: a good or a bad sense. I just want to
Speaker 5: talk about surprising. What surprised you the most. I'll kick
Speaker 5: us off in that. Seeing Tyler Booker on the sideline
Speaker 5: was a little confusing to me. Bran schtten Humber just
Speaker 5: said yesterday in the press conference, you know, young guys
Speaker 5: need to play. I was surprised Tyler Booker a healthy scratch,
Speaker 5: being healthy one of the I think one of the
Speaker 5: only two healthy first round draft picks that did not
Speaker 5: play in their first preseason game. To me, it was
Speaker 5: I mean, not that it's alarming, but it's like we
Speaker 5: should be seeing some of this guy. I was confused
Speaker 5: by that choice. But of course the coaches have with
Speaker 5: with their their minds made up about these things in advance.
Speaker 5: Hopefully he sees some action in the preseason. Uh, I
Speaker 5: was a little surprised by that, were you, guys?
Speaker 8: I was until shoddy clarify the.
Speaker 5: Thought process and what does that pass?
Speaker 2: The thought process was workload management in the capacity of
Speaker 2: guys like Tyler Booker. Did infect see a lot of
Speaker 2: work in that offensive in those offensive trenches four days
Speaker 2: prior against the Rams, So you gotta you gotta wonder
Speaker 2: if how much of that weighed into it. Now, I
Speaker 2: will say with that being the case, because as he
Speaker 2: was explaining, I was like.
Speaker 8: Hmm, I don't entirely agree, but I don't entirely.
Speaker 2: Disagree either, But you won't be able to use that
Speaker 2: excuse again for week two in the preseason against the Ravens. So,
Speaker 2: now being that shot, he said, that's the reason that
Speaker 2: Booker didn't play. Now, I fully expect Tyler Booker to
Speaker 2: play against the Ravens. Now if that does not occur,
Speaker 2: now I'm back, we'll be home. Then then I'm in
Speaker 2: the studio asking the very big question, why are we
Speaker 2: avoiding giving I don't care that he's the first round pick.
Speaker 2: I know you're injury protection and all of that, but
Speaker 2: he needs the reps.
Speaker 8: Period.
Speaker 2: We saw what happened to Tyler got in when he
Speaker 2: was unable to take reps last preseason because of an injury. Well,
Speaker 2: Tyler Booker is healthy, right, you want him on the
Speaker 2: field as much as possible so that he can try
Speaker 2: his best to hit the ground running when you go
Speaker 2: up against a guess who, the Philadelphia freaking Eagles. So
Speaker 2: I fully expect Tyler Booker be on the field. We'll
Speaker 2: see what the coaches decide against the Ravens. But you know,
Speaker 2: if that's the reason that Shoty's given, I don't entirely agree.
Speaker 2: I don't entirely disagree, but now there's no reason based
Speaker 2: upon that to not play Tyler Booker against the Ravens.
Speaker 12: I'll say I entirely disagreed with that. I think that
Speaker 12: he's I mean, he said it, young guys need to play.
Speaker 12: Tyler Booker's young, last time I checked. So he's a
Speaker 12: guy that just needed the reps and he didn't. I'm
Speaker 12: not saying he needs to play the whole game. You
Speaker 12: put him out there for. If you would put him
Speaker 12: out there for two drives, it would have ended up
Speaker 12: being six plays. And if you were like, all right,
Speaker 12: we're good after that, then I think I'd be somewhat. Okay,
Speaker 12: I think you know, you maybe look for like ten
Speaker 12: to fifteen, which is what guys like Donovan Azaraku and
Speaker 12: Maris Leafal got. But the fact of the matter is
Speaker 12: like this, this guy, yes he had the joint practice,
Speaker 12: but it's not really a game environment, right, Like, He's
Speaker 12: got to get a real game environment under his under
Speaker 12: his belt. And I don't know, they pay Brian Schotenheimer
Speaker 12: a lot more to make these kinds of decisions than
Speaker 12: they do me.
Speaker 10: But I just think you need to play him in that.
Speaker 5: Sort But for a guy that hasn't seen the NFL
Speaker 5: field before, you probably want to give him as much
Speaker 5: chances as you can. It's humanly possible to get him
Speaker 5: acclimated to that. Jesse, I kind of want you to
Speaker 5: your thoughts on this, coming from an actual player in
Speaker 5: the NFL, please.
Speaker 9: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 6: One of the things I'm here's my I'm gonna get
Speaker 6: to your point. I'm gonna let me make this left
Speaker 6: two lefts and three less make right. So I watched
Speaker 6: and I listened to the players talking this documentary last night,
Speaker 6: and Michael Irvin's charl Hilly's just In Thesmiths of the
Speaker 6: worlds right, and the way that they spoke, the way
Speaker 6: did they talked, and the way that you know that
Speaker 6: their locker room was constructed, right, there was a level
Speaker 6: of accountability. Even though they had their off the field stuff,
Speaker 6: when it came to football stuff, there was a level
Speaker 6: of accountability.
Speaker 9: And I look at the.
Speaker 6: Way that locker rooms and teams and players are built
Speaker 6: today and I just think about and Michael Irvin has
Speaker 6: said this, who the hell of these guys to not
Speaker 6: be playing in these games?
Speaker 9: Tom said there was thirty.
Speaker 12: Guys thirty seven thirty that that that now, that's that's
Speaker 12: combined injury.
Speaker 6: And I'm hearing you, but I mean I can name
Speaker 6: fifteen that work that were healthy, that were healthy and
Speaker 6: were healthy, right, I can name fifteen and not include
Speaker 6: CD and Dak. You see what I'm saying, Who the
Speaker 6: hell are these dudes to not be playing like? And
Speaker 6: I'm saying like now, I say Michael and Emmett and
Speaker 6: Charles because those are the type of guys that are
Speaker 6: like would have been Troy would have been like, wait,
Speaker 6: I get while Michael's not playing, Cavante Turpet, brother, we
Speaker 6: like you a lot.
Speaker 9: You need to play, you know, Hey, coach.
Speaker 6: Wait, if I'm if I'm, if I'm dak, I'm saying
Speaker 6: to myself, hey, coach, we're not gonna get these young
Speaker 6: fellow reps against in Philadelphia.
Speaker 9: Like, that's not what I want.
Speaker 6: That's what I that's when I don't I don't want
Speaker 6: to find out in Philadelphia.
Speaker 9: That he can't protect me.
Speaker 6: Right, I don't want to find out in Philadelphia where.
Speaker 8: His efficiencies are, and then New.
Speaker 9: York and then New York.
Speaker 6: Right, I don't want to find out their coach, what
Speaker 6: do we Why is he not playing? Like, what's what's
Speaker 6: happening here?
Speaker 9: Oh? You know, if.
Speaker 6: I'm defensively, if I'm if I'm if I'm oh, so
Speaker 6: I'm if I'm Mike, I'm saying, hey, there's a reason
Speaker 6: why the other guys ain't playing out here, Like.
Speaker 9: Why Sam ain't playing?
Speaker 8: Is he hurt?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 6: No, this is a guy who ain't been on the
Speaker 6: field healthy for us for a long time.
Speaker 8: We need you.
Speaker 6: So I'm saying all that to say that we want
Speaker 6: to talk about culture change, and we want to talk
Speaker 6: about things being different.
Speaker 9: That doesn't happen when you got.
Speaker 6: Thirty guys on the sideline in preseason Game one, and
Speaker 6: a lot of those guys should be playing.
Speaker 9: In those games.
Speaker 12: And to add to that point, for Tyler Booker specifically,
Speaker 12: like all right, man, yeah you're good for the preseason.
Speaker 10: Hey, first NFL game, go ahead. Jalen Carter and Jordan
Speaker 10: Davis Sarver, they're waiting for you.
Speaker 9: Good luck, like.
Speaker 6: Man, like from from from Dak's perspective, if I'm CD,
Speaker 6: I'm saying, wait, if we're gonna find out if Tyler
Speaker 6: Booky can block or not in week one? If he
Speaker 6: ain't getting this job done, I mean Dak running around
Speaker 6: the crazy. I mean, I ain't getting what I'm supposed
Speaker 6: to be getting off in this game on his opening
Speaker 6: night of four ball, because there's there's an ego. There's
Speaker 6: an ego in there, right like the world receivers, we
Speaker 6: have egos. I want to get mine, especially against those
Speaker 6: who they think are the best. I want to shine
Speaker 6: in that game too. So it's like, yeah, he's not playing,
Speaker 6: so Dak ain't doing well. So now I ain't doing
Speaker 6: well the running game now we are. Now now things
Speaker 6: look a little bit crazy.
Speaker 9: So it's like.
Speaker 6: I expect different from Shoddy, but I expect different from
Speaker 6: these veterans too, I expect them to.
Speaker 9: Be like, what's going on here?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 6: Maybe I say it publicly to us, but internally there
Speaker 6: should be some what you ain't been in no Pro bowls,
Speaker 6: you ain't been on Pro You ain't last I checked,
Speaker 6: you ain't Your salary ain't sixty million annually thirty million.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like, you ain't about to
Speaker 6: be the highest paid defensive player in NFL history. Sorry,
Speaker 6: sirih a millionaire. My biggest thing was like if we
Speaker 6: we we we so much want what they had in
Speaker 6: the nineties, but we are we are unwilling to be
Speaker 6: and have that level of accountability that they had. Like
Speaker 6: imagine Charles Haley looking down there and he's seeing that
Speaker 6: name of backup coach. Why is this bleep, bleep bleep
Speaker 6: not playing? Charles wipe is like, you'll get your pads on,
Speaker 6: you're playing.
Speaker 9: I don't care what the hell that coaches.
Speaker 6: And I'm not saying that they gotta be, you know,
Speaker 6: be rolled, but I'm just saying that we want different results,
Speaker 6: but we keep going down the.
Speaker 9: Same path.
Speaker 6: Of of nonsense.
Speaker 8: Over protection over protection.
Speaker 6: You gotta play football, guys, like we got football.
Speaker 5: Ability of injuries you're afraid of all those things, and
Speaker 5: that's understandable because it's happened a lot in our life.
Speaker 2: However, go ahead, Shoddy is the same one they said
Speaker 2: you have to build callouses. That is a quote. You
Speaker 2: can't build callouses on the sideline.
Speaker 5: And I'd argue he's been more physical. This team has
Speaker 5: been more physical out here on the practice field than
Speaker 5: they have in past years.
Speaker 2: That I agreed, because they also don't have nearly as
Speaker 2: many rest days as as I've seen another mcarth theatery exactly.
Speaker 8: That's that's perfectly true.
Speaker 5: So but it's one thing if you do it out there.
Speaker 5: But whenever the Rams come in here and they are
Speaker 5: out physically you, and again, like you've pointed out, they
Speaker 5: have out physical you again on Saturday, because that becussco character.
Speaker 6: You'll be trying to come physical with a group really physical.
Speaker 6: So it looks different, it smells different, it feels different.
Speaker 6: It's always like, yeah, I'm in training, I'm doing all
Speaker 6: this kind of stuff, and then you walk out of
Speaker 6: this prime Mike, it don't look the same, it don't
Speaker 6: feel the same.
Speaker 2: You know what they're up against now, Harball's front absolutely boys,
Speaker 2: But we just said, what's the standard right now for physicality?
Speaker 5: All right, boys, that'll do it for this edition of
Speaker 5: Talking Cowboys. We have to end the show. We have
Speaker 5: to say goodbye to Oxnard, California for Talking Cowboys. Thank
Speaker 5: you so much for everybody. Thank you, Chris Beam, thank you,
Speaker 5: Kyle Yeomens, thank you, I say a stand back, Tommy
Speaker 5: Arks for stepping out. Thank you, Jesse Holly for stepping
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