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Speaker 4: Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Talking Cowboys. We are live from training camp

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Speaker 5: in Oxnard, California. I am here with Patrick Noci Walker,

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Speaker 5: I'm here with Tommy rsh and we have a very

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Speaker 5: special guest one mister fourth and long Jesse Holly of

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Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys, of Hanging with the Boys, Fain. Thank you,

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Speaker 5: thank you, thank you, thank you, the famous Man. Thank

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Speaker 5: you so much for joining us. Famous Man in that

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Speaker 5: you just attended the Netflix premiere of One America's team,

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Speaker 5: The Gambler. This cow was last night in Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 5: How was his experience? And also, welcome to the show Man.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me. I appreciate you guys having

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Speaker 6: me on it. You know, it's always a pleasure to

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Speaker 6: be around be around greatness, So I appreciate that I'm able.

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Speaker 6: I'm able to sit here with you. I want you

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Speaker 6: find gentlemen, This is greatness. Absolutely, man, absolutely greatness.

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Speaker 2: Hangs together like about this though, it's no I no

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Speaker 2: c oh okay, yeah, Josh No, Jay worked that out.

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Speaker 7: It's this is soft day.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Man.

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Speaker 9: I went to the premiere last night and got suit

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Speaker 9: it up. I did. I did. I brought out the

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Speaker 9: I brought out.

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Speaker 5: The good sneakers with your suit.

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Speaker 8: Huh.

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Speaker 9: No sneakers ever with the suit. I like it.

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Speaker 5: A gentleman, A gentleman.

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Speaker 8: What I think I saw you reeling?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Never, I'm mother, I'm mother. I'm I'm of the age.

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Speaker 6: We wear hard bottles with suits.

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Speaker 8: Balance both depends on the move.

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Speaker 9: When I go.

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Speaker 6: And I got on Tommy about this. I got I

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Speaker 6: got on Young Tommy about this. I got on Young

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Speaker 6: Tommy about this because Tommy decided to wear sneakers night

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Speaker 6: one of the NFL Draft. No, I'm not going.

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Speaker 9: I'm not.

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Speaker 6: No, I'm not going to a premiere on the red

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Speaker 6: slash blue carpet of this caliber in l A and

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Speaker 6: put on one of my good tailor suits. What a

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Speaker 6: pair of sneakers? No way, But if it matches the suit.

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Speaker 9: My shoes matched my suit.

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Speaker 10: That's what I'm saying. If your shoes matched the suit.

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Speaker 6: Stacey's or no, this was this was a pair of

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Speaker 6: Mark Jacobs. This is this was a pair of this

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Speaker 6: was a pair of Mark Jacobs. There's a pair of

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Speaker 6: Mark jacob what's the phill Mark.

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Speaker 8: Wing tips?

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Speaker 6: So you know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 9: You know there's some videos.

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Speaker 6: The fraguents of choice last night? Was?

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Speaker 6: What was the frequent It was? Because you know, I

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Speaker 6: Colone bottles. You can't travel them, but if you go,

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Speaker 6: they have these small little ones where you pump it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah you had the black top the black bottles. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 6: The thing that I came away with, like literally was

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Speaker 6: my exact words to John Manchuda and Clarence Hill was damn,

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Speaker 6: If you know me, I am not a carrier of water.

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Speaker 6: I am not a company man. I say what I want,

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Speaker 6: We got a chance to watch a ten minutes of

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Speaker 6: You the way that they construins this, and because this

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Speaker 6: Championship game against the forty nine ers, right now, if

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Speaker 6: But it was something about the way that they that

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Speaker 6: Heavyweight, and so you're having this two sided perspective of

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Speaker 6: how this game is being broken down. You're hearing what

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Speaker 6: and how much this rivalry kind of meant. And in

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Speaker 6: it tells he tells a story about, you know, borrowing

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Speaker 6: And then it tells stories about, you know, he almost

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Speaker 9: It cuts back right right, and it.

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Speaker 6: Goes back into talking about you know, his his time

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Speaker 9: Was on the edge of my I was on the

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, to know the results, to know the people

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Speaker 6: that happened, to the intimate league. And still I'm like, wait,

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Speaker 6: to Michael. Like he's looking around, He's like this this

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Speaker 6: I want to go to Michael, and he says, do

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Speaker 6: the mouth of Troy Aikman. He said, do I trust

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Speaker 6: Alvin Harper in this moment? But he's like, Michael ain't

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Speaker 8: That harp like, put that okay, I just want to

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Speaker 8: it down. I ain't only ain't the only one.

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Speaker 9: They got, you know, Paul sucked up and think for

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Speaker 6: Harper, what a hell of a play, dirty harp.

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Speaker 9: I ain't the only one I felt, I said. I said,

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Speaker 9: I felt vindicated, Like I said, wait a.

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Speaker 8: Second, the old people.

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Speaker 9: I'm just saying it was. It was phenomenal.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you know anything about Jerry Jones and

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Speaker 6: you know how to throw a party in the Netflix people,

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Speaker 6: how they did that last night, Chef Kiss.

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Speaker 5: Is there another team in the NFL that could do

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Speaker 5: have this much drama and intrigue, you know, and maybe

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Speaker 8: Saying sports period, sports period, sports period.

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Speaker 5: No in the NFL, no.

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Speaker 2: Not of my not in my opinion, I think with

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Speaker 5: I those are kind of split up because the man

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Speaker 5: in the Arena, Tom Brady's documentary that was really well

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Speaker 8: Which means we have to leave the NFL.

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Speaker 9: And let me also let me also what we're doing,

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Speaker 9: what are you doing?

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Speaker 6: Let me also say this because I know I've seen

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Speaker 8: Me.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't really make me any difference, but I want

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Speaker 6: people to understand that what happened last night. Yes, the

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Speaker 6: of it. This wasn't a Jerry Jones production. Okay, this

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Speaker 6: was a Netflix event. This isn't So don't don't people

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Speaker 6: come at you like, I don't care. He's focused on this. No, no,

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Speaker 6: it's not corporate focus. This is this. This was hence

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Speaker 9: They want. Netflix wants to make sure that this is

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Speaker 6: It's football fans are gonna watch it, right, like football

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Speaker 6: people will watch this. But Netflix is not in the

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Speaker 6: business of football fans. Netflix is in the business of people,

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Speaker 6: get the cowboy fans are going to watch some of them,

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Speaker 9: Makes me no difference. I don't give it down what

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Speaker 6: But the football fan will watch, the cowboy fan will watch.

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Speaker 6: But is how do we bring in the other Netflix

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Speaker 6: This wasn't Jerry Jones saying I want to have this premiere.

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Speaker 6: This was a Netflix saying we have to sell a product, absolutely,

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Speaker 12: Well, in Inglewood, you're always up to no good, and

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Speaker 9: I like it.

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Speaker 5: That's my guy right there.

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Speaker 10: Is that bad?

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Speaker 8: I was wondering who.

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Speaker 10: Was I thought it was a good segue, all right.

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Speaker 10: Roller coaster that it is is there's highs, there's lows.

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Speaker 2: For me, I stone on the defensive side of the

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Speaker 2: I'm still concerned about this depth. Right injuries happened. The

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Speaker 8: Right when you look at the run.

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Speaker 8: A large part of that is due to injury. Talking

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Speaker 2: You don't know what Savone Reveel is gonna be quite

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Speaker 8: He came back. But we'll see.

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Speaker 2: You got Kyrier Elam, but I didn't get to see

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Speaker 8: Perry and Winfrey had some moments, some positive moments.

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Speaker 8: That's concerning for nose tackle.

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Speaker 2: But then you flip to the offensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 8: Unfortunately it was more bad than good.

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Speaker 2: And what I respect about that young man is I

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Speaker 8: Like it was a D.

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Speaker 2: His grade was a D. So then to see him

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Speaker 2: Absolutely he did. And I see what tom you're saying.

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Speaker 2: As far as you know, six straight pass plays, maybe

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Speaker 8: They showed up again.

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Speaker 6: I you know, and and both of you guys had

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Speaker 9: I don't think you shined.

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Speaker 6: I don't think Brian Schottenheimer signed because even coming into

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Speaker 9: Do they match? Do they match?

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Speaker 6: And you've been telling us at every moment when you

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Speaker 9: Well, I'll take it back.

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Speaker 6: I thought you showed your hand a little bit of

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 6: Coach out of two reflects leadership here. I need you

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Speaker 6: Throw it now, I get it now. When you when

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Speaker 6: I don't give a damn because you got Jimmy's and Joe's.

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Speaker 6: That's gonna beat any Jimmy and Joe and any.

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Speaker 9: We've seen it.

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Speaker 6: We've seen it either we've seen it and you can

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Speaker 6: You know what this player is you under You've been

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Speaker 9: Get to the free throw line.

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Speaker 9: How much of a fall off is that?

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Speaker 8: Exactly?

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Speaker 6: You see what I'm saying, Like, how much do we

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Speaker 9: But what happens when that doesn't work right? When what

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Speaker 9: we have Michael back in there.

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Speaker 6: So that's kind of stuff I looked at from the

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Speaker 6: side and I was like, for the debut of these

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Speaker 6: two guys, it left much to be desired and a

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Speaker 6: lot of question still at hand on what this football

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Speaker 6: team's identity is, what this football team's culture is going

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Speaker 6: to be, and hopefully we get answers to that sooner

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Speaker 6: rather than late.

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Speaker 2: Well we'll quick I'll say this, and I thought of you, Josh.

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Speaker 2: For the second time in four days, we saw the

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Speaker 2: the second being the preseason game against the Rams.

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Speaker 5: That's fair. Another point to that, though, is the unknown,

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Speaker 5: the unknown of it all. And Brian john Nimer was

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Speaker 5: talking about Joe Milton yesterday and the reason why he

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Speaker 5: was playing so many snaps is they know Will Greer.

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Speaker 5: They don't know Joe Milton on in again exactly. They

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Speaker 5: haven't seen him in this system out there on the field.

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Speaker 5: When we come back, we need to talk more about

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Speaker 5: what we know now in terms of Joe Milton. We

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Speaker 8: To Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to Talking Cowboys live from training Campinoxsnar, California.

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Speaker 5: This segment is brought to you by in Visilne, the

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Speaker 5: official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. I almost said some

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Speaker 5: about some other breakfast food that we used to do

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Speaker 5: or read on. Anyways, Boys, they didn't pay the bill.

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Speaker 5: They didn't pay the bill. That's why they won't get it.

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Speaker 5: But the official smile of Dallas Cowboys. If you didn't know, guys,

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Speaker 5: we got to know Joe a little bit in this

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Speaker 5: preseason game. He got to play first and most of

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Speaker 5: the second half. Schottenheimer's talking about it yesterday. It's like,

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Speaker 5: you know, we have him out there because we need

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Speaker 5: to know who he is as a player on the field.

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Speaker 5: You see him in practice, We've seen the throws that

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Speaker 5: he can make, We've seen the throws that he can't make.

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Speaker 5: And now you've got a bigger taste of what Joe

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Speaker 5: Milton has been able to do on the field with

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Speaker 5: the Cowboys. Can you kind of compare and contrast his

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Speaker 5: first and second half, because obviously it was slow going

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Speaker 5: at first six pass plays in a row three well

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Speaker 5: I think it was two to three and now it's

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Speaker 5: correct correct. So what did you get to know about

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Speaker 5: Joe Milton?

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Speaker 12: I mean, if I'm being honest, really not a lot.

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Speaker 12: I still we still don't know about Joe Milton. Brid

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Speaker 12: Schotenhimer said it yesterday.

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Speaker 10: We don't know, We don't know what we have in

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Speaker 10: Joe Milton. Yet we don't we know what traits he has.

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Speaker 12: We know he has a great arm, we know he

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Speaker 12: can use his legs, and we know that we've seen

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Speaker 12: him make touch passes here in trading camp every once

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Speaker 12: in a while, but we don't know what he is consistently.

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Speaker 10: We don't know what he still needs.

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Speaker 12: We know he still needs to work on, you know,

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Speaker 12: getting through his reads quicker and making decisions quicker, not

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Speaker 12: holding the ball for forever in the backfield. But for

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Speaker 12: the most part, we don't know because this guy has

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Speaker 12: not played a lot of football. He just straight up

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Speaker 12: hasn't and especially at the NFL level. He's played three

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Speaker 12: preseason games last year and one regular season game, so

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Speaker 12: this is his fifth career NFL game, and it's not

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Speaker 12: really shocking, I should say, to see what he just

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Speaker 12: the inconsistency, and you mentioned the question being you know

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Speaker 12: what did you see first half?

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Speaker 10: Second half?

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Speaker 12: Really not much different. It was inconsistent, and I think

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Speaker 12: you saw him a little bit more relaxed and settled

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Speaker 12: in in the second half, but really not by much.

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Speaker 12: You know, you pick apart some of the good throws.

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Speaker 12: I mean, you go, you look at the pass to

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Speaker 12: the corner of the ends of the revolve of Fairweather.

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Speaker 12: That's a highlight. But then again, he had Flinoy going

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Speaker 12: in the back corner. I think it was a slot

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Speaker 12: fade and he just overshoots me what I had a

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Speaker 12: touchdown too.

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Speaker 10: So it's still so much unknown, and there's still so.

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Speaker 12: Much more refining that you need to do with Joe

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Speaker 12: Melton to be confident in him being your backup quarterback.

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Speaker 12: But the issue is there's two weeks until the preseason's

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Speaker 12: over and only a couple more after that until you

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Speaker 12: open the year against Philadelphia, And if Dak Prescott goes down,

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Speaker 12: can you count on.

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Speaker 10: Him to win you a game?

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Speaker 2: And that's where I was going to go when it

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Speaker 2: comes to Joe Milton in that kind of circling back

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Speaker 2: to Tommy's point about touch. This is something that coming

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Speaker 2: into training camp, I wanted to see not once or twice.

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Speaker 8: From Joe Milton.

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Speaker 2: I needed to see it consistently because until you can

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Speaker 2: do it consistently, you're not telling me that you're.

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Speaker 8: Ready for the next level. Okay, well, the next stage.

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Speaker 2: We've seen him make some touch passes here in Oxnar,

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Speaker 2: but we've also seen some of those passes sell We

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Speaker 2: saw far too few passes that require touch that actually

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Speaker 2: had touch against the Rams in the preseason opener. We

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Speaker 2: could talk about, you know, Floyd putting his defender in

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Speaker 2: a blender with the double moved backpyline fadus right there

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Speaker 2: for you. Just lay it up for him. Okay, deep

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Speaker 2: middle crosser, wide open, just lay it up for him.

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Speaker 2: He makes those two throws, we're having a much different

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Speaker 2: conversation about about that young man right now. Unfortunately he didn't.

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Speaker 2: So when you look at that and you combine it

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Speaker 2: with something that Jesse and I we've talked about this

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Speaker 2: and Isaiah and now we've talked about this as well.

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Speaker 2: One thing about Joe Milton is he's not going through

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Speaker 2: his reads in the way that you would want him

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Speaker 2: to go through his reads. If anything gets him off

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Speaker 2: his first read, it feels like he either panics and

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Speaker 2: he tries to bail, or he panics and he freezes.

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Speaker 2: He holds the ball for too long, and now you're

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Speaker 2: giving defenders an opportunity to get into that backfield, and

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Speaker 2: you're already dealing with an offensive line that's trying.

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Speaker 8: To figure itself out right now.

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Speaker 2: So between those two things, he needs to be a

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Speaker 2: little bit more decisive.

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Speaker 8: He needs to read the field a bit better, but.

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Speaker 2: Also as strong as his arm is, and we all

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Speaker 2: know how strong his arm is. I think he's over

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Speaker 2: very dependent on the strength of his arm. You don't

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Speaker 2: always need to throw the fastball. The one hundred and

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Speaker 2: one mile an hour fastball to a guy running the

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Speaker 2: slant is not necessary, right, Ryan Fannoyd, deep middle crosser,

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Speaker 2: you don't need.

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Speaker 8: The cannon there. You need the sweeping curve. Right.

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Speaker 5: And this guy that they've harped on his throwing mechanics

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Speaker 5: and how intelligent he is in terms of getting his

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Speaker 5: footwork right and passing mechanics throughout camp, but you didn't

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Speaker 5: necessarily see it in that preseason game. It's a level

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Speaker 5: of concern because it's like you want him to be

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Speaker 5: prepared and up in the moment. But another thing Shoddy

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Speaker 5: mentioned yesterday is that a lot of these guys were

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Speaker 5: kind of forgetting what they've learned up until this point

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Speaker 5: and rely on instinct, which is kind of what you

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Speaker 5: saw from Joe.

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Speaker 2: And to that point, Josh, and I'm glad you segued

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Speaker 2: it this way for me. There's also an aspect of

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Speaker 2: Joe Milton. If you go back and look at the film.

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Speaker 2: In lieu of anticipatory throws, he believes his cannon can

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Speaker 2: force that ball to any window at any time, regardless

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Speaker 2: of if he's anticipating a throw or not. Not when

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Speaker 2: you're playing under the lights at the NFL level, that's

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Speaker 2: not how it works. You have to have anticipation as

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Speaker 2: opposed to thinking that extra split second, Oh, I can

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Speaker 2: look off and come back here, and I have the

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Speaker 2: arm strength to do that. By that time, it's almost

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Speaker 2: a pick. How many times did the Rams nearly intercept

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Speaker 2: Joe Milton because of a situation like that. Instead of

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Speaker 2: anticipating and seeing that and getting the ball to that spot,

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Speaker 2: he glanced off four a second came back because in

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Speaker 2: his head he's like, oh, I can get that throw

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Speaker 2: in there. The linebacker, the secondary they're like, uh, not

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Speaker 2: so much here, brother. So I would like to see

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Speaker 2: those things improve. Was it all bad? Absolutely not, But

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Speaker 2: there was more bad than good. And that's why I

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Speaker 2: agree with his grade of himself as a D minus.

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Speaker 6: Joe Milton is a far away than.

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Speaker 9: We all would like him to be.

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Speaker 6: And if I can, if I could put a Rekie

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Speaker 6: Specki out there, say your backup quarterback ain't on his roster.

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Speaker 9: Wow, if I'm because think.

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Speaker 5: About it, I think this coach is I would disagree.

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Speaker 9: Think about it.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure they can and that there's opposed to

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Speaker 6: because they believe in their skills.

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Speaker 8: They cool.

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Speaker 9: I'm happy with that.

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Speaker 6: But let's just like, if we're thinking about emotion, if

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Speaker 6: we're thinking about this right and this is yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: if something happens to four, who are you putting out there?

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Speaker 9: Who are you putting out.

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Speaker 8: There right now, right now, right now would be will Gar?

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Speaker 8: Right now?

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Speaker 6: Are we confident that Will Grier can do and win

663
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Speaker 6: US three, four, five games?

664
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Speaker 2: I'm confident he can get you. He can get you

665
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: that one and then from that one. Now it's now

666
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Speaker 2: it's schematics. From that one, after that one, it's schematics.

667
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 6: I just look at this and I go when they

668
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 6: when the rosters start to be you know, broken down

669
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Speaker 6: and players getting released, I would not be shocked if

670
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Speaker 6: the Cowboys go out and bring in a veteran quarterback

671
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Speaker 6: to be in this especially now that you're able to

672
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Speaker 6: keep the four quarterbacks and you know you have the

673
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Speaker 6: emergency you want. That still gives an opportunity for Joe

674
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 6: Milton to be around and be developed. But you know,

675
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 6: you just don't want to go into this year with

676
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 6: a bunch of life. It's once it's one thing to

677
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 6: have hope that a guy can do something, but when

678
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 6: that hope is you know, atlantic ocean size hope, that

679
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 6: that you can't go in with that much hope, that

680
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 6: that's not a.

681
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Speaker 5: Strategy two and three. Change your mind about this. No, No,

682
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Speaker 5: you feel if he has a substantially better performance than

683
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Speaker 5: two and three.

684
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Speaker 9: I don't think he will.

685
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 8: That's fair.

686
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 6: I just, I just, I just I'm looking at the

687
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 6: player and I'm looking at progression, right like, all right,

688
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 6: where where have we been since we've we've started this thing?

689
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 6: I'm talking about OTAs in mini camp, things of that nature,

690
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 6: right like, if we're still talking about the touch factor,

691
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 6: if we're still talking about the anticipatory uh knowledge of

692
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 6: how to break down progressions? Right Like, I'm not tweeted

693
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 6: this out, you know, shout out to the wide receivers

694
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 6: and and I'm I'm biased.

695
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 8: Boy.

696
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 6: They was out there running a lot of love for

697
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 6: the game routes. They're running a lot of their love

698
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 6: of the game routes, a lot of a lot of

699
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 6: routes are that they just run in cause they're like,

700
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 6: it ain't coming, ain't gonna get here, you know what

701
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 6: I'm saying. And that sucks because you know.

702
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 5: I'm trying to make a team.

703
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 6: I'm trying to make a team, and I route this

704
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 6: dude up and I give him this business and I'm

705
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 6: wide open, and you sell it ten yards over my head,

706
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 6: you see what I'm saying. Frust So it's a frustrating

707
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 6: thing to look at. And when you see that, you're

708
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 6: just like, well, that's a really easy throw. Now you know,

709
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 6: you get two more chances at it. I just I

710
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 6: don't think the progression has happened so much, and I

711
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 6: think that it's gonna take time to get Jill Milton

712
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 6: off the mindset of I have this bazooka arm and

713
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 6: so like it. You see, I call it arrogant throws. Right,

714
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 6: You've watched.

715
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 9: Aaron Rodgers and his primes.

716
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 6: You've seen Patrick Mahomes and sometimes John Island and Joe Burrows,

717
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 6: guys with the big arms, Right, they have these arrogant

718
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 6: throws and sometimes like, hey, just because you can don't

719
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 6: mean you should, right, And and sometimes until you get

720
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 6: that knowledge of what's happening. Because sometimes we'll watch a

721
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 6: game and we'll be like, ooh, you see that throw

722
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 6: that that's and I'm going, yeah, but the percentage it

723
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 6: says for every one time you complete it, you gotta

724
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 6: be knowledge enough to know I probably shouldn't go back

725
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 6: to that water we again, right, But like I watched

726
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 6: that game in Joe Milton and there should have been

727
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 6: two pick sixes on his out telling you like two

728
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 6: that he through well behind the receiver, that the normal game.

729
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 5: Is a pick six against starting secondaries.

730
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Speaker 6: That you see what I'm saying, Like yeah, like that

731
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 6: those guys are walking in front of that like thank you,

732
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 6: and they're going the opposite way, so that there's there's

733
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 6: a lot of ground that needs to be covered by

734
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 6: Joe Milton. And and then also you know, because I

735
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 6: heard coach talking about it yesterday about them wanting to

736
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 6: know more about Joe Mitch means we get to see

737
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 6: less of Will Grere, which I think, damn, that's unfair,

738
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 6: right because Will was like I get it, but what happens, well,

739
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 6: what about me?

740
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 8: We heard we.

741
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 6: Heard Cooper Rush out of the year ago is like, hey,

742
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 6: they gave Trey Lance all the snaps because they want

743
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 6: to see what Trey Lance was and I didn't get any.

744
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 6: I need that too. Look, I need to work too.

745
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 6: I'm not getting a lot of reps in practice.

746
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 9: I need to.

747
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 6: I need to make sure that my my sword is

748
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 6: still sharp when I go out there. Don't don't, don't,

749
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 6: don't put me behind the eight ball because he ain't

750
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 6: showing you enough in practice weekend and week out. Now

751
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 6: let me get mine too, so that if if you

752
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 6: decide that I'm not a part of your equation anymore,

753
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 6: I got something on a film that someone else would like,

754
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 6: and I can go out somewhere else.

755
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 8: Here's what I say.

756
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: My mind can change based upon these next two games.

757
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: Now that the angle that that Jesse and I are

758
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: looking at it are a bit different, a bit differently.

759
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: Jesse is saying he doesn't believe that Joe okay fair

760
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: enough because he's going by the body of work, and

761
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: like thereop to this point. I'm saying that if he

762
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 2: proved just wrong and balls out against the Raiders, for example,

763
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: oh okay, that that's my thought process. I'm like, oh okay,

764
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: I see you, Joe, Now do it one more time

765
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: in the finale, because again, consistency is key.

766
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 8: Going out and having one big game. That's great and all,

767
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 8: but can you have to.

768
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 6: But but and I hear what you're saying, Yeah, you've

769
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 6: been here since.

770
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 8: Win uh Jude July twentieth.

771
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, what is the same thing that you just say.

772
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 8: I've seen the same.

773
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 10: So that's what I'm saying.

774
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: If he proves you wrong, then I'll be like, Okay,

775
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 2: so where our points are attached.

776
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 8: Where our points are attached. But we're hoping, yeah, we

777
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 8: are hoping hoping here's all the.

778
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 6: Weeks of work in two weeks that you will ultimately

779
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 6: it'll click, that it'll click when I've seen like I've

780
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 6: seen a body of work since April. That's true, that

781
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 6: says the same thing about you. Right, Like we've said

782
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 6: the same We can I can go back and watch

783
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 6: Joe show, my show, his show, and that show, this show,

784
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 6: and we're all going to say the same thing about

785
00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 6: Joe Milk.

786
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: And we're saying right now today, you're saying in two weeks,

787
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: the biggest changes we see, the biggest concern is Okay,

788
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: let's say let's say you were of the mindset that, oh, well,

789
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: the cowboys should go aheading and bring in a more

790
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: proven veteran. Okay, well, let me give you like two

791
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: or three names that are in the free agency pool.

792
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: When you tell me how much cringe is attached to

793
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: these names? When I say these names number one, Carson Wentz, Yes, okay,

794
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: Jeff Driscoll who exactly? And and I hate to do it,

795
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: but I gotta do it, you know, Jake from No Georgia.

796
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, but just absolutely.

797
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 10: I think that makes a big point. But here's the thing.

798
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 8: They're not out there. That's what I'm saying.

799
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 6: Happens when roster break down.

800
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: No, that's different, right, that's different when we start talking

801
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: waivers and people start falling off of rosters in about

802
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: two weeks, And that's a different convers I want to

803
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 2: get your point before.

804
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 12: But here's the thing is, even when guys get off

805
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 12: of rosters like you guys are mentioning, that's a good point.

806
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 12: Is there going to be a guy that's on waivers

807
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 12: that has veteran experience of this team doesn't have. Is

808
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 12: there going to be someone better than the guys that

809
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 12: Patrick just listed that you can feel confident in saying, Okay, yeah,

810
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 12: this guy can go win.

811
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 10: It's a game. I like to trade for Joe Milton

812
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 10: in the off season. I didn't like this team. Let

813
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 10: Cooper Rush go.

814
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 12: I think just the fact that he was so valuable

815
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 12: in terms of the backup quarterback position as a whole,

816
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 12: is so valuable in today's NFL with how many injuries

817
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 12: there are in the game now that when you have

818
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 12: a guy like that, it's a luxury. It's a luxury

819
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 12: to have a guy that you can count on to

820
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 12: go win you games. Is it cool fun sexually football? No,

821
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 12: not all the time. But it doesn't matter. One games

822
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 12: for him when he needed to, he lost games.

823
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 8: Letting you finis.

824
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 12: I'm I'm not saying it's going to be your starter,

825
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 12: but he's been there and he's done that, and that's

826
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 12: something that this team right now just doesn't have.

827
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: Four was not what you wanted to resigning, But in

828
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: terms of him being able to come in at least,

829
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: I'll give you.

830
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Speaker 6: For sure four goes down, We're screwed.

831
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Speaker 9: That's just that's just what it is.

832
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Speaker 8: Stay up for Pauls.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, hopefully we do not have that issue. But

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Speaker 5: Did you know at end of the year is presented

881
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Speaker 5: by Captain Morgan, and Beemer's doing a Captain Morgan stance

882
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 5: over there. He should be. He's doing it now there

883
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 5: he is there. It is welcome back to Talking Cowboys

884
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Speaker 5: Live from training camp at Oxnard, California. Boys, we have

885
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 5: to talk about the most surprising things that happened in

886
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 5: the game. And I don't want to say surprising in

887
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 5: a good or a bad sense. I just want to

888
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 5: talk about surprising. What surprised you the most. I'll kick

889
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 5: us off in that. Seeing Tyler Booker on the sideline

890
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 5: was a little confusing to me. Bran schtten Humber just

891
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 5: said yesterday in the press conference, you know, young guys

892
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 5: need to play. I was surprised Tyler Booker a healthy scratch,

893
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 5: being healthy one of the I think one of the

894
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 5: only two healthy first round draft picks that did not

895
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 5: play in their first preseason game. To me, it was

896
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 5: I mean, not that it's alarming, but it's like we

897
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 5: should be seeing some of this guy. I was confused

898
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 5: by that choice. But of course the coaches have with

899
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 5: with their their minds made up about these things in advance.

900
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 5: Hopefully he sees some action in the preseason. Uh, I

901
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 5: was a little surprised by that, were you, guys?

902
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 8: I was until shoddy clarify the.

903
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 5: Thought process and what does that pass?

904
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: The thought process was workload management in the capacity of

905
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: guys like Tyler Booker. Did infect see a lot of

906
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: work in that offensive in those offensive trenches four days

907
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: prior against the Rams, So you gotta you gotta wonder

908
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: if how much of that weighed into it. Now, I

909
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: will say with that being the case, because as he

910
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: was explaining, I was like.

911
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 8: Hmm, I don't entirely agree, but I don't entirely.

912
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: Disagree either, But you won't be able to use that

913
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: excuse again for week two in the preseason against the Ravens. So,

914
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: now being that shot, he said, that's the reason that

915
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Speaker 2: Booker didn't play. Now, I fully expect Tyler Booker to

916
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Speaker 2: play against the Ravens. Now if that does not occur,

917
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: now I'm back, we'll be home. Then then I'm in

918
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: the studio asking the very big question, why are we

919
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: avoiding giving I don't care that he's the first round pick.

920
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: I know you're injury protection and all of that, but

921
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: he needs the reps.

922
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 8: Period.

923
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: We saw what happened to Tyler got in when he

924
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: was unable to take reps last preseason because of an injury. Well,

925
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: Tyler Booker is healthy, right, you want him on the

926
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: field as much as possible so that he can try

927
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: his best to hit the ground running when you go

928
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: up against a guess who, the Philadelphia freaking Eagles. So

929
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: I fully expect Tyler Booker be on the field. We'll

930
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: see what the coaches decide against the Ravens. But you know,

931
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 2: if that's the reason that Shoty's given, I don't entirely agree.

932
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: I don't entirely disagree, but now there's no reason based

933
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: upon that to not play Tyler Booker against the Ravens.

934
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Speaker 12: I'll say I entirely disagreed with that. I think that

935
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 12: he's I mean, he said it, young guys need to play.

936
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 12: Tyler Booker's young, last time I checked. So he's a

937
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 12: guy that just needed the reps and he didn't. I'm

938
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 12: not saying he needs to play the whole game. You

939
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 12: put him out there for. If you would put him

940
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 12: out there for two drives, it would have ended up

941
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Speaker 12: being six plays. And if you were like, all right,

942
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 12: we're good after that, then I think I'd be somewhat. Okay,

943
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 12: I think you know, you maybe look for like ten

944
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 12: to fifteen, which is what guys like Donovan Azaraku and

945
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 12: Maris Leafal got. But the fact of the matter is

946
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 12: like this, this guy, yes he had the joint practice,

947
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 12: but it's not really a game environment, right, Like, He's

948
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 12: got to get a real game environment under his under

949
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 12: his belt. And I don't know, they pay Brian Schotenheimer

950
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 12: a lot more to make these kinds of decisions than

951
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 12: they do me.

952
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 10: But I just think you need to play him in that.

953
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 5: Sort But for a guy that hasn't seen the NFL

954
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 5: field before, you probably want to give him as much

955
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 5: chances as you can. It's humanly possible to get him

956
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 5: acclimated to that. Jesse, I kind of want you to

957
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 5: your thoughts on this, coming from an actual player in

958
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 5: the NFL, please.

959
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, all right.

960
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 6: One of the things I'm here's my I'm gonna get

961
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 6: to your point. I'm gonna let me make this left

962
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 6: two lefts and three less make right. So I watched

963
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 6: and I listened to the players talking this documentary last night,

964
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 6: and Michael Irvin's charl Hilly's just In Thesmiths of the

965
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 6: worlds right, and the way that they spoke, the way

966
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 6: did they talked, and the way that you know that

967
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 6: their locker room was constructed, right, there was a level

968
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 6: of accountability. Even though they had their off the field stuff,

969
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 6: when it came to football stuff, there was a level

970
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 6: of accountability.

971
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 9: And I look at the.

972
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 6: Way that locker rooms and teams and players are built

973
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 6: today and I just think about and Michael Irvin has

974
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 6: said this, who the hell of these guys to not

975
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 6: be playing in these games?

976
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 9: Tom said there was thirty.

977
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Speaker 12: Guys thirty seven thirty that that that now, that's that's

978
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 12: combined injury.

979
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 6: And I'm hearing you, but I mean I can name

980
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 6: fifteen that work that were healthy, that were healthy and

981
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 6: were healthy, right, I can name fifteen and not include

982
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 6: CD and Dak. You see what I'm saying, Who the

983
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 6: hell are these dudes to not be playing like? And

984
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 6: I'm saying like now, I say Michael and Emmett and

985
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 6: Charles because those are the type of guys that are

986
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 6: like would have been Troy would have been like, wait,

987
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 6: I get while Michael's not playing, Cavante Turpet, brother, we

988
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 6: like you a lot.

989
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 9: You need to play, you know, Hey, coach.

990
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 6: Wait, if I'm if I'm, if I'm dak, I'm saying

991
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 6: to myself, hey, coach, we're not gonna get these young

992
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 6: fellow reps against in Philadelphia.

993
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 9: Like, that's not what I want.

994
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 6: That's what I that's when I don't I don't want

995
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 6: to find out in Philadelphia.

996
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 9: That he can't protect me.

997
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 6: Right, I don't want to find out in Philadelphia where.

998
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 8: His efficiencies are, and then New.

999
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 9: York and then New York.

1000
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 6: Right, I don't want to find out their coach, what

1001
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 6: do we Why is he not playing? Like, what's what's

1002
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 6: happening here?

1003
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 9: Oh? You know, if.

1004
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 6: I'm defensively, if I'm if I'm if I'm oh, so

1005
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 6: I'm if I'm Mike, I'm saying, hey, there's a reason

1006
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 6: why the other guys ain't playing out here, Like.

1007
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 9: Why Sam ain't playing?

1008
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 8: Is he hurt?

1009
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 9: No?

1010
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 6: No, this is a guy who ain't been on the

1011
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 6: field healthy for us for a long time.

1012
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 8: We need you.

1013
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 6: So I'm saying all that to say that we want

1014
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 6: to talk about culture change, and we want to talk

1015
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 6: about things being different.

1016
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 9: That doesn't happen when you got.

1017
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 6: Thirty guys on the sideline in preseason Game one, and

1018
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 6: a lot of those guys should be playing.

1019
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 9: In those games.

1020
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 12: And to add to that point, for Tyler Booker specifically,

1021
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 12: like all right, man, yeah you're good for the preseason.

1022
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 10: Hey, first NFL game, go ahead. Jalen Carter and Jordan

1023
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 10: Davis Sarver, they're waiting for you.

1024
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 9: Good luck, like.

1025
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 6: Man, like from from from Dak's perspective, if I'm CD,

1026
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 6: I'm saying, wait, if we're gonna find out if Tyler

1027
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 6: Booky can block or not in week one? If he

1028
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 6: ain't getting this job done, I mean Dak running around

1029
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 6: the crazy. I mean, I ain't getting what I'm supposed

1030
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 6: to be getting off in this game on his opening

1031
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 6: night of four ball, because there's there's an ego. There's

1032
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 6: an ego in there, right like the world receivers, we

1033
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 6: have egos. I want to get mine, especially against those

1034
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 6: who they think are the best. I want to shine

1035
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 6: in that game too. So it's like, yeah, he's not playing,

1036
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 6: so Dak ain't doing well. So now I ain't doing

1037
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 6: well the running game now we are. Now now things

1038
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 6: look a little bit crazy.

1039
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 9: So it's like.

1040
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 6: I expect different from Shoddy, but I expect different from

1041
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 6: these veterans too, I expect them to.

1042
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 9: Be like, what's going on here?

1043
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 8: Now?

1044
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 6: Maybe I say it publicly to us, but internally there

1045
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 6: should be some what you ain't been in no Pro bowls,

1046
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 6: you ain't been on Pro You ain't last I checked,

1047
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 6: you ain't Your salary ain't sixty million annually thirty million.

1048
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like, you ain't about to

1049
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 6: be the highest paid defensive player in NFL history. Sorry,

1050
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 6: sirih a millionaire. My biggest thing was like if we

1051
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 6: we we we so much want what they had in

1052
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 6: the nineties, but we are we are unwilling to be

1053
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 6: and have that level of accountability that they had. Like

1054
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 6: imagine Charles Haley looking down there and he's seeing that

1055
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 6: name of backup coach. Why is this bleep, bleep bleep

1056
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 6: not playing? Charles wipe is like, you'll get your pads on,

1057
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 6: you're playing.

1058
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 9: I don't care what the hell that coaches.

1059
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 6: And I'm not saying that they gotta be, you know,

1060
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 6: be rolled, but I'm just saying that we want different results,

1061
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 6: but we keep going down the.

1062
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 9: Same path.

1063
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 6: Of of nonsense.

1064
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 8: Over protection over protection.

1065
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 6: You gotta play football, guys, like we got football.

1066
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 5: Ability of injuries you're afraid of all those things, and

1067
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 5: that's understandable because it's happened a lot in our life.

1068
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: However, go ahead, Shoddy is the same one they said

1069
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: you have to build callouses. That is a quote. You

1070
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: can't build callouses on the sideline.

1071
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 5: And I'd argue he's been more physical. This team has

1072
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 5: been more physical out here on the practice field than

1073
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 5: they have in past years.

1074
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: That I agreed, because they also don't have nearly as

1075
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: many rest days as as I've seen another mcarth theatery exactly.

1076
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 8: That's that's perfectly true.

1077
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 5: So but it's one thing if you do it out there.

1078
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 5: But whenever the Rams come in here and they are

1079
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 5: out physically you, and again, like you've pointed out, they

1080
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 5: have out physical you again on Saturday, because that becussco character.

1081
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 6: You'll be trying to come physical with a group really physical.

1082
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 6: So it looks different, it smells different, it feels different.

1083
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 6: It's always like, yeah, I'm in training, I'm doing all

1084
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 6: this kind of stuff, and then you walk out of

1085
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 6: this prime Mike, it don't look the same, it don't

1086
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 6: feel the same.

1087
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: You know what they're up against now, Harball's front absolutely boys,

1088
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: But we just said, what's the standard right now for physicality?

1089
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 5: All right, boys, that'll do it for this edition of

1090
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 5: Talking Cowboys. We have to end the show. We have

1091
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 5: to say goodbye to Oxnard, California for Talking Cowboys. Thank

1092
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 5: you so much for everybody. Thank you, Chris Beam, thank you,

1093
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 5: Kyle Yeomens, thank you, I say a stand back, Tommy

1094
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 5: Arks for stepping out. Thank you, Jesse Holly for stepping

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Speaker 5: on this episode. For Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, we will

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Speaker 5: see you next time. From the Star in Frisco, Texas, Dallas.

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Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and

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