Speaker 1: I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies
Speaker 1: in the basement. Somebody told you that Shakaia was a
Speaker 1: victim of human trafficking. I'm come to find out.
Speaker 2: This is like it exploded into this huge thing.
Speaker 3: I knew, I just knew something was wrong.
Speaker 2: Police say thirty three year old Jared Bride Again was
Speaker 2: shot dead.
Speaker 3: I kept calling his phone during the drive.
Speaker 4: Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.
Speaker 1: It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors.
Speaker 3: His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying
Speaker 3: he was targeted. Eventually a police officer answered and told
Speaker 3: me to come to the police station.
Speaker 1: Justice is something that takes different shapes or forms.
Speaker 3: If you know something, heard something, please it's never too
Speaker 3: late to do the right thing.
Speaker 2: So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and.
Speaker 1: I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in
Speaker 1: the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get
Speaker 1: animal abusers arrested.
Speaker 2: We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators.
Speaker 2: We spent over a year and a half trying to
Speaker 2: get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man
Speaker 2: that was killing cats online and he was threatening to
Speaker 2: move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnatdah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called
Speaker 1: Don't Fuck with Cats.
Speaker 2: That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills
Speaker 2: to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases.
Speaker 1: This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kati's Studios.
Speaker 2: This episode was recorded on September tenth, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: five weeks after the arrest of Jared's ex wife, Shanna
Speaker 2: Gardner Fernandez. In this episode, John Green and I are
Speaker 2: joined by Kirsten Bright Agan to discuss the arrest, the
Speaker 2: upcoming hearing, and more importantly, how Kirsten and her family
Speaker 2: are doing following all these events. So here we are. Now,
Speaker 2: we know Mari I was arrested, and he's he's got
Speaker 2: he's got some sort of a hearing on Tuesday, right,
Speaker 2: and then the new news is that Shanna Gardner Fernandez
Speaker 2: has been arrested. She's currently in Washington, and I'm assuming
Speaker 2: that there'll be some sort of extradition hearing, which I
Speaker 2: believe she is not fighting to come to Florida to
Speaker 2: get arraigned in Florida. Now, I did look for a
Speaker 2: probable cause ebidavit, and there has not been one released yet.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming they have to wait for her to get
Speaker 2: into the state of Florida to present that, because that's
Speaker 2: when it will become court record, you know. But I
Speaker 2: wasn't able to find anything. I have been looking because
Speaker 2: I really want to read that. But how are you feeling?
Speaker 3: I mean today, I'm good. It's it's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 3: We knew a little bit in advance that she would
Speaker 3: be into custody. You know, we were waiting around that
Speaker 3: morning at the courthouse for news, so even just that
Speaker 3: morning and since and it's just been all of the emotions.
Speaker 3: It's been Happiness isn't the right word, but I think
Speaker 3: it's like a finally like we got here. We've been
Speaker 3: waiting for this, like this is the final big piece
Speaker 3: of the puzzle. So a little bit celebratory, to be honest,
Speaker 3: but also a lot of just sadness. I think a
Speaker 3: lot of that is, you know, reliving everything and like
Speaker 3: realizing like yep, this is what happened, Like his life
Speaker 3: was taken for some ridiculous reasons by some very evil people,
Speaker 3: and realizing what that means for Liam and Abbey. They
Speaker 3: already lost their dad, they lost contact with us, and
Speaker 3: now they're losing their mom because of the decisions that
Speaker 3: she had made. So it's just all over the place.
Speaker 3: And even since then, it's been just waves of emotion
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm hoping that that'll start to even out,
Speaker 3: but it's just it's been a ride, really crazy ride.
Speaker 2: I think that was our first thoughts too, were Liam
Speaker 2: and Abbey, And I mean, this is devastating for them,
Speaker 2: and I just can't imagine how confused they must be,
Speaker 2: and like I just they need family, you know, and
Speaker 2: I hope that you guys can you know, make arrangements
Speaker 2: to make that, you know, because they're going to need
Speaker 2: their sisters, you know, throughout their life. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is forever, you know, And now that they've lost their mom,
Speaker 2: I mean she's still alive, but you know, all intents
Speaker 2: and purposes, they've lost their mom and I don't even
Speaker 2: know if they know what's going on, but eventually they're
Speaker 2: gonna need, you know, the positive influence of your family
Speaker 2: in their lives and I hope. I hope that comes
Speaker 2: to fruition sooner rather than later. I hope that they
Speaker 2: don't have to wait for Shana to get convicted for
Speaker 2: you know, some sort of visitation to occur.
Speaker 1: Well, we've kind of touched on this in speaking with
Speaker 1: you before about the Markel Act and how this can
Speaker 1: only apply to this case. The spouse, SHANEO is taken
Speaker 1: into custody, so we're we're at that point now, right.
Speaker 2: Well, she has to be convicted, I believe.
Speaker 3: I have consulted with three separate family law attorneys just
Speaker 3: to make sure I was getting, you know, the right information,
Speaker 3: and that is one of them didn't even know about
Speaker 3: the Act, which surprised me.
Speaker 2: Well it's so new, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's within the last year so and one of
Speaker 3: them said, it's not a new law, it's an update
Speaker 3: to an existing law. So a lot of them just
Speaker 3: apparently aren't aware that there is an update. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's upon conviction then that update applies. But again, it
Speaker 3: doesn't give me any right. It gives grandparents' rights. So
Speaker 3: while that is something that we could work towards, it
Speaker 3: doesn't help the fact that me and their sisters are
Speaker 3: not allowed to communicate with them. Obviously, if Jared's parents
Speaker 3: get granted visitation rights, then they could choose that we
Speaker 3: could be part of that, which would be a door right.
Speaker 3: But otherwise I've been told I have zero rights to it. Siblings, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: don't have rights to it. So I'm actually considering pushing
Speaker 3: forward a law in Florida to give siblings, even half siblings,
Speaker 3: rights to communicate with each other in situations like this,
Speaker 3: because that's absolutely.
Speaker 2: I think that would be It's crazy to me that
Speaker 2: siblings don't have rights to their own siblings. It's insane
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: Especially it's like, Okay, this isn't like two parents decided
Speaker 3: to move forward and they're each taking their own kids
Speaker 3: from previous relationships. They're half blood siblings who lived with
Speaker 3: each other fifty percent of their lives, and one parent
Speaker 3: allegedly murdered the other and that's the only reason they
Speaker 3: are no longer together. So like that should be a
Speaker 3: special circumstance that is considered by law.
Speaker 2: I agree, I totally agree. Yeah, do you know when
Speaker 2: Shana will be extradited to Florida.
Speaker 3: So she has a hearing. I believe it's on the
Speaker 3: fourteenth or the sixteenth in Washington.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Friday think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have been told that that's kind of irrelevant,
Speaker 3: Like what she is fighting extraditions, So.
Speaker 2: Oh she is I read that wrong then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what she enacted was habeas corpus, which basically
Speaker 3: means like produce the evidence. So but I've been told
Speaker 3: that doesn't really matter because what they're doing now is
Speaker 3: Governor DeSantis in Florida is signing an order saying this
Speaker 3: is Shanna Gardner, the Shanna Gardner that we need to
Speaker 3: prosecute here in Florida. He signs this governor's order and
Speaker 3: gets sent to Governor Ensley in Washington State. That governor
Speaker 3: signs it, and then she shipped over. So it's kind
Speaker 3: of a game they're playing. I have been told it's
Speaker 3: not going to result in anything. She's just delaying.
Speaker 1: Well, it's good.
Speaker 5: I was wondering, did you watch the arrest?
Speaker 3: I did watch the arrest footage.
Speaker 1: The body cam footage.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what was kind of going through your mind while
Speaker 5: you were watching that?
Speaker 3: I was like, this is the strangest. That is not
Speaker 3: how I expect anybody to behave, especially if they're innocent
Speaker 3: when they're being arrested, especially arrested in front of their children.
Speaker 3: The fact that she was so home and just like
Speaker 3: if if someone came to arrest me, I'd be like,
Speaker 3: what the hell are you doing? I'm in I need
Speaker 3: a lawyer, like I you cannot do this, Like I
Speaker 3: don't take me. I need to be with my kids.
Speaker 3: I'd be trying to talk to my children like I
Speaker 3: love you. Everything's gonna be okay, I'll be back. There
Speaker 3: was none of that in that footage. It was like, oh,
Speaker 3: there's some Instagram orders Abby and help me find my pants.
Speaker 2: I was like what, And who's gonna take care of
Speaker 2: my dogs? Like it was very it was very creepy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that's so if you are innocent, that's not
Speaker 3: how I expect you to react. And if you're guilty,
Speaker 3: like that's the last thing you want to say to
Speaker 3: your kids, possibly ever in person, Like hey, there's Instagram
Speaker 3: orders like that. The whole thing was just so chilling
Speaker 3: to me. It's like, WHOA.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling she just is like so used
Speaker 2: to kind of getting her way with life that she's
Speaker 2: just like, Eh, this is just a temporary thing. It's
Speaker 2: not gonna be a big deal. I'm gonna go I'm
Speaker 2: gonna talk my way out of you know. I think
Speaker 2: I just feel like she just is still not taking responsibility,
Speaker 2: even in her own mind, for what's gone down.
Speaker 1: That's the way it comes off. So what we're referring
Speaker 1: to is when the Washington law enforcement goes to her
Speaker 1: house to take her into custody, she is very nonchalant,
Speaker 1: no big deal, acting like this is a normal occurrence
Speaker 1: to happen to her. Luckily, the officers are wearing bodycam
Speaker 1: footage that's been released for the public to see, and
Speaker 1: it is not the response you would expect from somebody,
Speaker 1: I think, and it does come off very creepy and
Speaker 1: sociopath and not taking in understanding what's fully going on.
Speaker 1: You're being taken into custody to be brought back to
Speaker 1: the state you used to live in to be held
Speaker 1: accountable for the death of your ex husband. Normal people
Speaker 1: don't act that way, not at all. It is very
Speaker 1: creepy to watch.
Speaker 3: Well, and it just broke my heart further for Leam
Speaker 3: and Abbey, like that that was one they witnessed it,
Speaker 3: but two that their mom wasn't focused on them and
Speaker 3: like making sure they're okay and saying that she loves
Speaker 3: them like that. I just felt so heartbroken for them.
Speaker 1: So do you know where they are right now? If
Speaker 1: that's something we can ask?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I believe they are still in Washington State.
Speaker 3: In fact, I know they're in Washington State with her mom.
Speaker 3: So Shanna's mom, Shelley Gardner, and I have heard that
Speaker 3: some of Shanna's sisters are in rotation on who is
Speaker 3: coming out to view with them as well. So they're
Speaker 3: still in Washington.
Speaker 1: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
Speaker 1: a moment. So you often heard hear the phrase that
Speaker 1: the wills of justice moves slow. This incident happened in
Speaker 1: February twenty twenty two. Police today an extensive investigation. Finally somebody,
Speaker 1: a person of interest, is arrested in January of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. Eleven months later, then in March of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, Mario Fernandez is arrested. Who just happens to
Speaker 1: be married to Shanna Gardner. Now and now here we
Speaker 1: are in September, and now she's taken into custody. What
Speaker 1: if you wouldn't mind sharing, what's it like going through
Speaker 1: that whole process? It's got to be like, what's taking
Speaker 1: so long. What's it like for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so that night I was pretty damn
Speaker 3: sure that I knew who had done it once I
Speaker 3: learned the circumstances of how he died. So when you
Speaker 3: feel that strongly about something, every day feels like an
Speaker 3: eternity waiting for law enforcement to catch up with what
Speaker 3: you already know. Like, get, they have a job to do.
Speaker 3: They had to look into me, they had to look
Speaker 3: into siblings. I'm sure everybody around Jared they had to
Speaker 3: look into I get it, But it seems like an
Speaker 3: attorney while you wait for them to get to the truth.
Speaker 3: And then when we are informed of the first arrest,
Speaker 3: a man I had never heard of, obviously, it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: probably a hired person if what I believe is true.
Speaker 3: But like, okay, you got him, so now get the
Speaker 3: other ones. But it takes longer, and they have to
Speaker 3: build their case and keep looking for evidence. So it's excruciating,
Speaker 3: and part of you feels like your life's just frozen
Speaker 3: in time, like you can't move forward mentally, spiritually, physically,
Speaker 3: like it just you just feel frozen. But then on
Speaker 3: the other half, I'm a mom, I have to move forward.
Speaker 3: I have to be there for the girls, and like
Speaker 3: they're growing, they're learning, and that part of life doesn't
Speaker 3: slow down. So it's a really weird position to be
Speaker 3: in where you have feel stuck in that night and
Speaker 3: then your other foot is being dragged through reality and
Speaker 3: you have to try to catch up. And sometimes it
Speaker 3: still feels surreal, like I still think I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: a text or a call from Jared and he's gonna
Speaker 3: come home, the kids can come home. That's not going
Speaker 3: to happen, and you just have to remind yourself about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what are you doing to kind of keep
Speaker 4: everything together, like especially considering that now that Shin has
Speaker 4: been arrested, this is kind of just the beginning, right,
Speaker 4: Like this is going to take at least another year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I honestly expected to feel different, like after she
Speaker 3: was arrested, and I think I do a little bit, like, oh,
Speaker 3: there's a little sense of great, we closed a chapter,
Speaker 3: a horrific chapter. But now it's like there's a lot
Speaker 3: more coming and it can take years. And we were
Speaker 3: we were told that after her arrest that this could
Speaker 3: be years of waiting in court and all of that,
Speaker 3: especially if she's doing what it looks like she's going
Speaker 3: to do and drag her feet every step of the way.
Speaker 3: So I'm just trying to find outlets, you know. Like
Speaker 3: I Friday when we were going to talk, I was
Speaker 3: just I was in a it was a bad day
Speaker 3: for me. I went to am I actually went to
Speaker 3: a Brazilian jiu jitsu class because I just felt like
Speaker 3: I needed to get some anor house And I think
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep doing that because I cannot how good.
Speaker 2: That yeah, like even if it's healthy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I think this this now is the
Speaker 3: time where I prioritize me because I've been put on hold,
Speaker 3: Like I've been trying to prioritize the kids, prioritize the case,
Speaker 3: putting Jared's memory out there. And I'm still going to
Speaker 3: do those things, but I also need to take care
Speaker 3: of myself or I'm gonna I'm gonna run out of
Speaker 3: gas before we're at the end of this. So that's
Speaker 3: that's kind of where my focus is shifting now. It's like,
Speaker 3: how do I take care of me so that I
Speaker 3: can take care of the kids and everything else that's
Speaker 3: coming down the road for the long term.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like you do have a long road ahead
Speaker 2: of you, right, Like, I know you already know all this,
Speaker 2: but for the viewers, there's a trial, and then if
Speaker 2: it's if it's death penalty, there's appeal upon appeal, upon appeal,
Speaker 2: upon appeal, there's victim impact statements to write, you know,
Speaker 2: like her daughter, Kirsten's daughter was in the car when
Speaker 2: Jared was shot and killed. Like, there's so many different
Speaker 2: elements to this that you really have to be You
Speaker 2: are the perfect example of like a strong woman. And
Speaker 2: this is not to say that other victims of crime
Speaker 2: are not strong, but miss Bride again has been rock
Speaker 2: solid throughout this whole ordeal. I don't know how you've
Speaker 2: done it, but I think she's created a foundation for
Speaker 2: a charity. And I mean, you've done so many positive
Speaker 2: things in Jared's name. I think that's probably helped you some,
Speaker 2: like with your healing and whatnot. Like his death is
Speaker 2: never going to mean anything. I mean, it's it's tragic
Speaker 2: and it's terrible, it's awful, but you've given you've given
Speaker 2: his name meaning and I just I can't say enough
Speaker 2: positive about that, and it doesn't really matter. But I
Speaker 2: really admire you a lot, and you have to take it.
Speaker 2: You know, when you when you're on an airplane, they
Speaker 2: tell you if the safety masks come down, put the
Speaker 2: mask on you first, because you have to be conscious
Speaker 2: enough to be able to put them on your children
Speaker 2: and whatnot. So that's that's what you really have to
Speaker 2: focus on, because you have a really long battle ahead
Speaker 2: of you, like a really long one. And I know
Speaker 2: you're very strong, that's my whole point. I know you're
Speaker 2: super strong, But I just don't know that anybody is
Speaker 2: really prepared for like the mental gymnastics that this legal
Speaker 2: team is going to try to pull.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's honestly just what I think. That makes
Speaker 3: me sick. It's like, what are they going to say?
Speaker 3: Like they don't You just don't know what they're going
Speaker 3: to try to say. Is it defense or to justify
Speaker 3: maybe what happened?
Speaker 2: Like and that just do you think they're going to
Speaker 2: flip on one another?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the question. Do you think do you think
Speaker 1: Mario is going to stand his ground and say I'm innocent?
Speaker 2: That's the big question on Reddit right now.
Speaker 1: Has Mario flipped and provided evidence that led the police
Speaker 1: to get Acre into custody.
Speaker 2: I don't you know. Here's the thing. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're going to be offered anything. I feel in my
Speaker 2: heart of hearts the cops have them dead to rights
Speaker 2: and there's enough evidence and they're not going to be offered.
Speaker 2: They're not going to be offered anything. I think they're
Speaker 2: going to go for the DP for both of them.
Speaker 2: I think Henry Tennan is gonna spill the beans. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. I think Henry Tennan's going to spill the
Speaker 2: beans to save his own ass. And I think Mario
Speaker 2: and Shanna Sorry, are are dead rights.
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 2: At least that's my hope. At least that's my hope.
Speaker 2: I just feel in my heart of hearts like the
Speaker 2: wheels of justice do take long. But I feel like
Speaker 2: with anything that's being extradited, your dot, your eyes have
Speaker 2: to be dotted, and teas have to be crossed. Everything
Speaker 2: has to be perfect.
Speaker 1: And just so everybody knows, Deanna is a live court
Speaker 1: room fanatic. She literally like will watch them while she's
Speaker 1: at work, so she knows these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't. I don't know these things, but
Speaker 2: I do a little bit. I do a little bit,
Speaker 2: But they really have to be good. And even though
Speaker 2: Shanna is fighting extraditions, it's not going to mean anything.
Speaker 2: Extradition is rarely not granted, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's always granted within the Continental Unit, well within the
Speaker 2: United States as a whole. Yeah, I can't imagine any
Speaker 2: scenario in which, now, if she was in Italy, that
Speaker 2: would be a difference because the death penalty places. There are
Speaker 2: places in like the EU and whatnot that will not
Speaker 2: extradite to a death penalty state, but within the United
Speaker 2: States it's rarely not granted. So she's gonna be coming
Speaker 2: home to Florida to face justice. But it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a really long road. And with the money that they've got,
Speaker 2: they're gonna hire some good lord, They're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 2: try to find every mistake the cops made, every single.
Speaker 3: One, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be it's gonna be a really rough
Speaker 2: road the next year, in the next two years, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a rough yeah, But it's not gonna stop,
Speaker 2: you know, her trying to run and pay and throw
Speaker 2: her little Princess Tierra around is not gonna help her
Speaker 2: at all. It's just gonna delay things, that's all it's
Speaker 2: gonna do. I just don't feel like Mario or Shana
Speaker 2: will flip all one another. She might, but I don't
Speaker 2: think Mario will.
Speaker 3: It's hard to get into the mindset.
Speaker 2: It is hard to get into the mindset. But I mean,
Speaker 2: this all makes so much more sense now things are
Speaker 2: now more black and white, especially that route home, especially
Speaker 2: that round.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember the first time talking with you, Kirsten.
Speaker 1: You were telling us about your gut feeling that night
Speaker 1: and how you just knew right from the start, you
Speaker 1: knew what happened and who the people are involved. And
Speaker 1: so it must be there must be that sense of satisfaction,
Speaker 1: like I knew this all along. Finally I knew it,
Speaker 1: and now look what's happened. It must feel good for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in a sense. Yeah, in another sense,
Speaker 3: it's like I wish this never happened, never happened, and
Speaker 3: just the reality of like even though what I thought
Speaker 3: was right, like the kids are still not allowed to
Speaker 3: talk to it. Like I just feel like I'm being
Speaker 3: punished for saying what I thought happened, Like the kids
Speaker 3: are being punished because I've been so vocal, and that
Speaker 3: is heartbreaking to me. Like I truly believe that there's
Speaker 3: some blame put on me by Shannon's relatives for the
Speaker 3: fact that he's in jail right now, and that's why
Speaker 3: the kids are not allowed to speak to us like that.
Speaker 3: My gut feeling about that situation too.
Speaker 2: That you're probably right, but that's insane that they would
Speaker 2: be so they're punny. Oh God, I don't even know
Speaker 2: what to say to that.
Speaker 5: I think they're probably worried that the kids would say
Speaker 5: something to you about anything that they saw going on,
Speaker 5: and that's what they're really ultimately scared of.
Speaker 3: I thought that too, but just with them, Like the
Speaker 3: last week or so, Shanna's mom has allowed Jared's parents
Speaker 3: to talk to the kids via FaceTime, so like she's
Speaker 3: allowing Jared's parents and Jared's sister to talk to them,
Speaker 3: but continues to ignore me. So to me, I'm like,
Speaker 3: if you were afraid of them saying something, you wouldn't
Speaker 3: just not allow them to communicate with any of the family.
Speaker 3: But you're being very at who you are not allowing
Speaker 3: to communicate and it's me and our girls like they're sisters,
Speaker 3: which is just Ah, that's why.
Speaker 2: She's punishing you personally. Do you think it might have
Speaker 2: anything to do with the fact that that they were
Speaker 2: divorced and he remarried and had children with another woman.
Speaker 2: Do you think it has anything to do with that,
Speaker 2: Like she doesn't recognize you as like legitimate or anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think there's just a level
Speaker 3: of hatred for me because of like a personal Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I've been vocal and there's been a lot of
Speaker 3: heat on their family and the media, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: they blame me for all of it. And that's just
Speaker 3: my personal belief because why allow communication with everybody else,
Speaker 3: but like the siblings that you know your grandchildren love
Speaker 3: and adore, you won't let them communicate with Like that's
Speaker 3: just right.
Speaker 2: There was a big stamp and up convention here in
Speaker 2: Vegas when she got arrested, and I saw the signs.
Speaker 2: I saw the signs and I was like, oh. And
Speaker 2: then literally she got arrested and I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I wonder if Shelley's here. And then I
Speaker 2: went watched the video and I was like, oh, nope,
Speaker 2: Shelley's in Washington. Yeah, oh my gosh, Yeah, there are
Speaker 2: a bunch of them running around crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, well, hopefully the who has custody of the children.
Speaker 1: It's just a temporary thing. Right now, this is step one.
Speaker 1: You needed an arrest to happen. You've gotten arrest. Now
Speaker 1: there comes everybody's due, a right to have a fair trial.
Speaker 1: She's going to have a trial. Depending on the outcome
Speaker 1: of that trial, she's found guilty, which could take years
Speaker 1: from now. I found guilty, That's when the Mercle Act
Speaker 1: kicks in, and then Jared's parents can ask for permission
Speaker 1: to see the kids, which when then hopefully give you
Speaker 1: access and your and your kids to see them as well.
Speaker 1: So one step at a time. This is a big one.
Speaker 1: Next is the trial that we all know is going
Speaker 1: to probably be lengthy, and I'm glad to hear you're
Speaker 1: doing things for yourself and to take care of yourself.
Speaker 1: Does the state of Florida provide like a victim advocate
Speaker 1: or anybody to help you.
Speaker 3: So there's a victim's advocate through the court house. I
Speaker 3: really don't interact with her unless we're at court. So
Speaker 3: like the Sheriff's office in my home county, Saint John's
Speaker 3: County has victim advocates and they're great. I've talked to
Speaker 3: them before. But the Jack's Beaches, I don't think they
Speaker 3: even had one, So where the crime happened, their jurisdiction
Speaker 3: ever been offered victim advocate from there, So no is
Speaker 3: the short answer.
Speaker 2: Let's stop here for another quick break.
Speaker 1: How would you describe your experience working with the law
Speaker 1: enforcement on this case, on Jared's case, it's been frustrating, good, bad?
Speaker 1: How would you I.
Speaker 3: Would say mostly positive. Obviously, it's a hard situation and
Speaker 3: I hound them, especially early on. I was hounding them
Speaker 3: every day. I was down there a lot. I was
Speaker 3: pulled in for interviews a lot. They had me look
Speaker 3: for evidence around the house for like things they wanted
Speaker 3: me to give them, so I like took car folds
Speaker 3: of stuff over there. So it's a hard situation. And
Speaker 3: I understand when they can't tell me things and why
Speaker 3: they can't tell me things. So I think me being
Speaker 3: understanding of the situation they're in and them being empathetic
Speaker 3: towards me, it's been overall positive. It's just obviously frustrating
Speaker 3: when they can't tell you everything they know. When you
Speaker 3: want to know everything.
Speaker 2: Right and you want to know everything right now, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like I don't want to wait, but I have to
Speaker 3: for something.
Speaker 2: No of course not, of course not. How are the girls?
Speaker 2: Are they doing good? Do they know what's going on?
Speaker 3: Bexley does? London is just too so she doesn't. She
Speaker 3: doesn't really know, Like she knows who Jared is, Like
Speaker 3: she'll see pictures and she'll say Dad, but I haven't
Speaker 3: told her like oh he died, Like she's too young
Speaker 3: for that right now. But Bexley, obviously she was there,
Speaker 3: she knows. And with each arrest I did tell her,
Speaker 3: you know, we have a lot of family around when
Speaker 3: that happens, our friends all know. I'm sure she's going
Speaker 3: to hear it. So I made it a point to
Speaker 3: tell her that one of the bad guys that hurt
Speaker 3: Dad got arrested. He's in jail. He's a wait for
Speaker 3: a long time. And she referred to that as long
Speaker 3: time out, so like she she processes it in her
Speaker 3: own way. And then with Shanna's arrest, she had already
Speaker 3: referred to Shanna as the mean mom because I I
Speaker 3: was honest with her. She'd say I want to talk
Speaker 3: to Lim and Abbey, and I'd say I've asked and
Speaker 3: their mom said no, So like I would say that
Speaker 3: I would not comment any further about Shanna. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I would say they said no or they're not responding,
Speaker 3: And so she said, well, she's a mean mom. And
Speaker 3: so when I told her that she was arrested, she said,
Speaker 3: the mean mom's arrested. She's in a long time. OUT
Speaker 3: said yeah, and then she's like, well, now we can
Speaker 3: talk to Liam and Abbey and I had to kind
Speaker 3: of go over that, well, not not yet. We'll try,
Speaker 3: but still not yet. So right, yeah, she has a
Speaker 3: four year old understanding of what's going on.
Speaker 2: Just I still can't believe she was in the car,
Speaker 2: Like was she on date nights all the time.
Speaker 3: Like ninety eight percent of the time.
Speaker 2: So they knew, they knew, Yeah, she was going to
Speaker 2: be in the car. And that is I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: I hate I mean, obviously killing Jared was absolutely wrong,
Speaker 2: but they did it with a two year old in
Speaker 2: the car and they knew she would be there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's like a level of it's just it's just mind
Speaker 2: boggling to me that Shana or even Mario, I mean,
Speaker 2: they knew her, they knew her.
Speaker 3: How could they knew that the kids loved her? You know,
Speaker 3: like even if you don't really care my child yourself,
Speaker 3: you know that your children love and adore their baby sister,
Speaker 3: that you're going to be fine with giving her this
Speaker 3: lifelong trauma.
Speaker 2: Like it's well, not only that, but they could have
Speaker 2: killed her. Yeah, exactly could have killed her.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can't let myself think about it too much. I
Speaker 3: just extremely angry.
Speaker 2: But I mean that was always a question like did
Speaker 2: they know that, I mean, was she with on date
Speaker 2: nights a lot? Oh, ninety percent of the time. Huh,
Speaker 2: that's even well. I hope that is, you know, the
Speaker 2: the child charge they have is pressed. I hope that
Speaker 2: that's made abundantly clear to the jury that you know
Speaker 2: this was done with the knowledge that his two year
Speaker 2: old daughter was in the car. Yeah, the twins like
Speaker 2: half sister. Like, it's just crazy to me, so stupid.
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