WEBVTT - A Family of Secrets 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.640 I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.120 in the basement. Somebody told you that Shakaia was a 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:08.479 victim of human trafficking. I'm come to find out. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.120 This is like it exploded into this huge thing. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.560 I knew, I just knew something was wrong. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.320 Police say thirty three year old Jared Bride Again was 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:17.919 shot dead. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.280 I kept calling his phone during the drive. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.800 Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter. 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.160 It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors. 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.880 His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.840 he was targeted. Eventually a police officer answered and told 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:33.320 me to come to the police station. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.760 Justice is something that takes different shapes or forms. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:43.280 If you know something, heard something, please it's never too 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:44.400 late to do the right thing. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.080 So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.519 I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.400 spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.480 the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.120 animal abusers arrested. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.560 We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.600 We spent over a year and a half trying to 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.360 get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.880 that was killing cats online and he was threatening to 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.440 move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnatdah. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.520 Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:19.840 Don't Fuck with Cats. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:24.360 That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.520 to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:35.400 This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kati's Studios. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.360 This episode was recorded on September tenth, twenty twenty three, 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.480 five weeks after the arrest of Jared's ex wife, Shanna 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.880 Gardner Fernandez. In this episode, John Green and I are 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:50.000 joined by Kirsten Bright Agan to discuss the arrest, the 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.480 upcoming hearing, and more importantly, how Kirsten and her family 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.680 are doing following all these events. So here we are. Now, 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.800 we know Mari I was arrested, and he's he's got 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.480 he's got some sort of a hearing on Tuesday, right, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:10.000 and then the new news is that Shanna Gardner Fernandez 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:14.840 has been arrested. She's currently in Washington, and I'm assuming 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.880 that there'll be some sort of extradition hearing, which I 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.280 believe she is not fighting to come to Florida to 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:25.720 get arraigned in Florida. Now, I did look for a 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.919 probable cause ebidavit, and there has not been one released yet. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.120 I'm assuming they have to wait for her to get 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:34.400 into the state of Florida to present that, because that's 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.760 when it will become court record, you know. But I 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:41.000 wasn't able to find anything. I have been looking because 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.240 I really want to read that. But how are you feeling? 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.840 I mean today, I'm good. It's it's the weirdest thing. 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.320 We knew a little bit in advance that she would 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.800 be into custody. You know, we were waiting around that 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:59.360 morning at the courthouse for news, so even just that 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.560 morning and since and it's just been all of the emotions. 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.960 It's been Happiness isn't the right word, but I think 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.760 it's like a finally like we got here. We've been 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.880 waiting for this, like this is the final big piece 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:15.600 of the puzzle. So a little bit celebratory, to be honest, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.800 but also a lot of just sadness. I think a 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.040 lot of that is, you know, reliving everything and like 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.520 realizing like yep, this is what happened, Like his life 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:31.080 was taken for some ridiculous reasons by some very evil people, 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.600 and realizing what that means for Liam and Abbey. They 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.360 already lost their dad, they lost contact with us, and 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.200 now they're losing their mom because of the decisions that 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:45.000 she had made. So it's just all over the place. 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.120 And even since then, it's been just waves of emotion 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.760 and I'm I'm hoping that that'll start to even out, 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.840 but it's just it's been a ride, really crazy ride. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.840 I think that was our first thoughts too, were Liam 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.320 and Abbey, And I mean, this is devastating for them, 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.640 and I just can't imagine how confused they must be, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.200 and like I just they need family, you know, and 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:16.680 I hope that you guys can you know, make arrangements 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.440 to make that, you know, because they're going to need 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.360 their sisters, you know, throughout their life. I mean, this 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.719 is forever, you know, And now that they've lost their mom, 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.080 I mean she's still alive, but you know, all intents 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.480 and purposes, they've lost their mom and I don't even 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.599 know if they know what's going on, but eventually they're 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.560 gonna need, you know, the positive influence of your family 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.240 in their lives and I hope. I hope that comes 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.280 to fruition sooner rather than later. I hope that they 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.239 don't have to wait for Shana to get convicted for 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.440 you know, some sort of visitation to occur. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.520 Well, we've kind of touched on this in speaking with 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.080 you before about the Markel Act and how this can 0:04:55.200 --> 0:05:00.520 only apply to this case. The spouse, SHANEO is taken 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.040 into custody, so we're we're at that point now, right. 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.080 Well, she has to be convicted, I believe. 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.800 I have consulted with three separate family law attorneys just 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:13.600 to make sure I was getting, you know, the right information, 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.919 and that is one of them didn't even know about 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:17.279 the Act, which surprised me. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.000 Well it's so new, right. 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.000 Yeah, it's within the last year so and one of 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.159 them said, it's not a new law, it's an update 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.040 to an existing law. So a lot of them just 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.599 apparently aren't aware that there is an update. But yeah, 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:35.400 it's upon conviction then that update applies. But again, it 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.280 doesn't give me any right. It gives grandparents' rights. So 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.000 while that is something that we could work towards, it 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.360 doesn't help the fact that me and their sisters are 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.640 not allowed to communicate with them. Obviously, if Jared's parents 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.719 get granted visitation rights, then they could choose that we 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.680 could be part of that, which would be a door right. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:06:00.000 But otherwise I've been told I have zero rights to it. Siblings, unfortunately, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.839 don't have rights to it. So I'm actually considering pushing 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:08.080 forward a law in Florida to give siblings, even half siblings, 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.359 rights to communicate with each other in situations like this, 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.200 because that's absolutely. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.560 I think that would be It's crazy to me that 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.520 siblings don't have rights to their own siblings. It's insane 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:18.000 to me. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.600 Especially it's like, Okay, this isn't like two parents decided 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.440 to move forward and they're each taking their own kids 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.640 from previous relationships. They're half blood siblings who lived with 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:31.159 each other fifty percent of their lives, and one parent 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.600 allegedly murdered the other and that's the only reason they 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.200 are no longer together. So like that should be a 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.480 special circumstance that is considered by law. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.240 I agree, I totally agree. Yeah, do you know when 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:45.520 Shana will be extradited to Florida. 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.440 So she has a hearing. I believe it's on the 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.080 fourteenth or the sixteenth in Washington. 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:52.760 Yeah, Friday think. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.120 Yeah, I have been told that that's kind of irrelevant, 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.280 Like what she is fighting extraditions, So. 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.560 Oh she is I read that wrong then. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.919 Yeah, so what she enacted was habeas corpus, which basically 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:09.120 means like produce the evidence. So but I've been told 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.880 that doesn't really matter because what they're doing now is 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.480 Governor DeSantis in Florida is signing an order saying this 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.520 is Shanna Gardner, the Shanna Gardner that we need to 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.320 prosecute here in Florida. He signs this governor's order and 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.640 gets sent to Governor Ensley in Washington State. That governor 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.480 signs it, and then she shipped over. So it's kind 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.960 of a game they're playing. I have been told it's 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:32.960 not going to result in anything. She's just delaying. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:35.000 Well, it's good. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.360 I was wondering, did you watch the arrest? 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.000 I did watch the arrest footage. 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:40.760 The body cam footage. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.400 Yeah, what was kind of going through your mind while 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:44.160 you were watching that? 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:50.520 I was like, this is the strangest. That is not 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:54.240 how I expect anybody to behave, especially if they're innocent 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.840 when they're being arrested, especially arrested in front of their children. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.239 The fact that she was so home and just like 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.240 if if someone came to arrest me, I'd be like, 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.200 what the hell are you doing? I'm in I need 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.600 a lawyer, like I you cannot do this, Like I 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.680 don't take me. I need to be with my kids. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.880 I'd be trying to talk to my children like I 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.240 love you. Everything's gonna be okay, I'll be back. There 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.200 was none of that in that footage. It was like, oh, 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.200 there's some Instagram orders Abby and help me find my pants. 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.440 I was like what, And who's gonna take care of 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.040 my dogs? Like it was very it was very creepy. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.040 Yeah, Like that's so if you are innocent, that's not 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.040 how I expect you to react. And if you're guilty, 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.040 like that's the last thing you want to say to 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:39.359 your kids, possibly ever in person, Like hey, there's Instagram 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.040 orders like that. The whole thing was just so chilling 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.560 to me. It's like, WHOA. 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.120 I have a feeling she just is like so used 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.640 to kind of getting her way with life that she's 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.920 just like, Eh, this is just a temporary thing. It's 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.080 not gonna be a big deal. I'm gonna go I'm 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:56.800 gonna talk my way out of you know. I think 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.959 I just feel like she just is still not taking responsibility, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.120 even in her own mind, for what's gone down. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.560 That's the way it comes off. So what we're referring 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:08.920 to is when the Washington law enforcement goes to her 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.760 house to take her into custody, she is very nonchalant, 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.400 no big deal, acting like this is a normal occurrence 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.920 to happen to her. Luckily, the officers are wearing bodycam 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.400 footage that's been released for the public to see, and 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:27.520 it is not the response you would expect from somebody, 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.840 I think, and it does come off very creepy and 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:37.080 sociopath and not taking in understanding what's fully going on. 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.240 You're being taken into custody to be brought back to 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.720 the state you used to live in to be held 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.000 accountable for the death of your ex husband. Normal people 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.760 don't act that way, not at all. It is very 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:50.160 creepy to watch. 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.600 Well, and it just broke my heart further for Leam 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.480 and Abbey, like that that was one they witnessed it, 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:00.160 but two that their mom wasn't focused on them and 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.679 like making sure they're okay and saying that she loves 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:06.360 them like that. I just felt so heartbroken for them. 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.400 So do you know where they are right now? If 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:11.720 that's something we can ask? 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.960 Yeah, So I believe they are still in Washington State. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:20.400 In fact, I know they're in Washington State with her mom. 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:24.640 So Shanna's mom, Shelley Gardner, and I have heard that 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.480 some of Shanna's sisters are in rotation on who is 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.000 coming out to view with them as well. So they're 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:31.880 still in Washington. 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.360 Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:51.160 a moment. So you often heard hear the phrase that 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.120 the wills of justice moves slow. This incident happened in 0:10:55.280 --> 0:11:03.080 February twenty twenty two. Police today an extensive investigation. Finally somebody, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.920 a person of interest, is arrested in January of twenty 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.080 twenty three. Eleven months later, then in March of twenty 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:13.120 twenty three, Mario Fernandez is arrested. Who just happens to 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.040 be married to Shanna Gardner. Now and now here we 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:20.520 are in September, and now she's taken into custody. What 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.560 if you wouldn't mind sharing, what's it like going through 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:27.760 that whole process? It's got to be like, what's taking 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.600 so long. What's it like for you? 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.040 Yeah, you know, so that night I was pretty damn 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.400 sure that I knew who had done it once I 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.760 learned the circumstances of how he died. So when you 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.520 feel that strongly about something, every day feels like an 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:50.280 eternity waiting for law enforcement to catch up with what 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.960 you already know. Like, get, they have a job to do. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:54.559 They had to look into me, they had to look 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.160 into siblings. I'm sure everybody around Jared they had to 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.600 look into I get it, But it seems like an 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.920 attorney while you wait for them to get to the truth. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.960 And then when we are informed of the first arrest, 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.520 a man I had never heard of, obviously, it's like, okay, 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.280 probably a hired person if what I believe is true. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.160 But like, okay, you got him, so now get the 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.840 other ones. But it takes longer, and they have to 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.920 build their case and keep looking for evidence. So it's excruciating, 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.240 and part of you feels like your life's just frozen 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:30.400 in time, like you can't move forward mentally, spiritually, physically, 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.000 like it just you just feel frozen. But then on 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.600 the other half, I'm a mom, I have to move forward. 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.880 I have to be there for the girls, and like 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.000 they're growing, they're learning, and that part of life doesn't 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.240 slow down. So it's a really weird position to be 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.680 in where you have feel stuck in that night and 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.200 then your other foot is being dragged through reality and 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.079 you have to try to catch up. And sometimes it 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.000 still feels surreal, like I still think I'm gonna get 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.160 a text or a call from Jared and he's gonna 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.880 come home, the kids can come home. That's not going 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.920 to happen, and you just have to remind yourself about that. 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:09.000 Yeah, and what are you doing to kind of keep 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:13.480 everything together, like especially considering that now that Shin has 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.600 been arrested, this is kind of just the beginning, right, 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.200 Like this is going to take at least another year. 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:23.920 Yeah, I honestly expected to feel different, like after she 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.240 was arrested, and I think I do a little bit, like, oh, 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.440 there's a little sense of great, we closed a chapter, 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:34.800 a horrific chapter. But now it's like there's a lot 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.640 more coming and it can take years. And we were 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.040 we were told that after her arrest that this could 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:44.360 be years of waiting in court and all of that, 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.600 especially if she's doing what it looks like she's going 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.960 to do and drag her feet every step of the way. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.240 So I'm just trying to find outlets, you know. Like 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.840 I Friday when we were going to talk, I was 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.040 just I was in a it was a bad day 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.800 for me. I went to am I actually went to 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.160 a Brazilian jiu jitsu class because I just felt like 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.559 I needed to get some anor house And I think 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.640 I'm going to keep doing that because I cannot how good. 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.920 That yeah, like even if it's healthy. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.000 Yeah, And so I think this this now is the 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.880 time where I prioritize me because I've been put on hold, 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.520 Like I've been trying to prioritize the kids, prioritize the case, 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.640 putting Jared's memory out there. And I'm still going to 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.480 do those things, but I also need to take care 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.920 of myself or I'm gonna I'm gonna run out of 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.440 gas before we're at the end of this. So that's 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.640 that's kind of where my focus is shifting now. It's like, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.160 how do I take care of me so that I 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.840 can take care of the kids and everything else that's 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.280 coming down the road for the long term. 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.120 Yeah, because like you do have a long road ahead 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.320 of you, right, Like, I know you already know all this, 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.920 but for the viewers, there's a trial, and then if 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.800 it's if it's death penalty, there's appeal upon appeal, upon appeal, 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.200 upon appeal, there's victim impact statements to write, you know, 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:01.760 like her daughter, Kirsten's daughter was in the car when 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.000 Jared was shot and killed. Like, there's so many different 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.360 elements to this that you really have to be You 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:13.000 are the perfect example of like a strong woman. And 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.640 this is not to say that other victims of crime 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.920 are not strong, but miss Bride again has been rock 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.360 solid throughout this whole ordeal. I don't know how you've 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.120 done it, but I think she's created a foundation for 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.880 a charity. And I mean, you've done so many positive 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.080 things in Jared's name. I think that's probably helped you some, 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.200 like with your healing and whatnot. Like his death is 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.760 never going to mean anything. I mean, it's it's tragic 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.480 and it's terrible, it's awful, but you've given you've given 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.960 his name meaning and I just I can't say enough 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.360 positive about that, and it doesn't really matter. But I 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.320 really admire you a lot, and you have to take it. 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.360 You know, when you when you're on an airplane, they 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.640 tell you if the safety masks come down, put the 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.600 mask on you first, because you have to be conscious 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.240 enough to be able to put them on your children 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:00.800 and whatnot. So that's that's what you really have to 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.280 focus on, because you have a really long battle ahead 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.200 of you, like a really long one. And I know 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.040 you're very strong, that's my whole point. I know you're 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.400 super strong, But I just don't know that anybody is 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:13.520 really prepared for like the mental gymnastics that this legal 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:14.600 team is going to try to pull. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.120 Yeah, And that's honestly just what I think. That makes 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:18.920 me sick. It's like, what are they going to say? 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.080 Like they don't You just don't know what they're going 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.000 to try to say. Is it defense or to justify 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:25.160 maybe what happened? 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.280 Like and that just do you think they're going to 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:29.120 flip on one another? 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.440 Yeah, that's the question. Do you think do you think 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.040 Mario is going to stand his ground and say I'm innocent? 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.240 That's the big question on Reddit right now. 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.320 Has Mario flipped and provided evidence that led the police 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:41.960 to get Acre into custody. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:45.880 I don't you know. Here's the thing. I don't think 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.440 they're going to be offered anything. I feel in my 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.680 heart of hearts the cops have them dead to rights 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.080 and there's enough evidence and they're not going to be offered. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.280 They're not going to be offered anything. I think they're 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:58.760 going to go for the DP for both of them. 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.360 I think Henry Tennan is gonna spill the beans. Maybe 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.199 I'm wrong. I think Henry Tennan's going to spill the 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.480 beans to save his own ass. And I think Mario 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.760 and Shanna Sorry, are are dead rights. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:11.560 I really do. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.160 At least that's my hope. At least that's my hope. 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:16.440 I just feel in my heart of hearts like the 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.000 wheels of justice do take long. But I feel like 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:23.320 with anything that's being extradited, your dot, your eyes have 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.960 to be dotted, and teas have to be crossed. Everything 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:26.880 has to be perfect. 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:31.080 And just so everybody knows, Deanna is a live court 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.120 room fanatic. She literally like will watch them while she's 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:35.960 at work, so she knows these things. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.800 Yeah, well I don't. I don't know these things, but 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:40.760 I do a little bit. I do a little bit, 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.560 But they really have to be good. And even though 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.919 Shanna is fighting extraditions, it's not going to mean anything. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.240 Extradition is rarely not granted, you know what I mean. 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.800 It's always granted within the Continental Unit, well within the 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.800 United States as a whole. Yeah, I can't imagine any 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.320 scenario in which, now, if she was in Italy, that 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.160 would be a difference because the death penalty places. There are 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.520 places in like the EU and whatnot that will not 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.119 extradite to a death penalty state, but within the United 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.880 States it's rarely not granted. So she's gonna be coming 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.240 home to Florida to face justice. But it's gonna be 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.879 a really long road. And with the money that they've got, 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.120 they're gonna hire some good lord, They're gonna they're gonna 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.200 try to find every mistake the cops made, every single. 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:24.200 One, Yeah, for sure. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.200 So it's gonna be it's gonna be a really rough 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.960 road the next year, in the next two years, it's 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.679 gonna be a rough yeah, But it's not gonna stop, 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.840 you know, her trying to run and pay and throw 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.960 her little Princess Tierra around is not gonna help her 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.400 at all. It's just gonna delay things, that's all it's 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.840 gonna do. I just don't feel like Mario or Shana 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.080 will flip all one another. She might, but I don't 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:47.920 think Mario will. 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:49.920 It's hard to get into the mindset. 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.360 It is hard to get into the mindset. But I mean, 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.360 this all makes so much more sense now things are 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.600 now more black and white, especially that route home, especially 0:18:59.640 --> 0:18:59.960 that round. 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.600 Yeah. I remember the first time talking with you, Kirsten. 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.000 You were telling us about your gut feeling that night 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.359 and how you just knew right from the start, you 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.399 knew what happened and who the people are involved. And 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:15.680 so it must be there must be that sense of satisfaction, 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.919 like I knew this all along. Finally I knew it, 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.360 and now look what's happened. It must feel good for you. 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.280 Yeah, I mean in a sense. Yeah, in another sense, 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.800 it's like I wish this never happened, never happened, and 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.919 just the reality of like even though what I thought 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.199 was right, like the kids are still not allowed to 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.200 talk to it. Like I just feel like I'm being 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.280 punished for saying what I thought happened, Like the kids 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.520 are being punished because I've been so vocal, and that 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:45.080 is heartbreaking to me. Like I truly believe that there's 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.760 some blame put on me by Shannon's relatives for the 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:50.919 fact that he's in jail right now, and that's why 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.359 the kids are not allowed to speak to us like that. 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:56.120 My gut feeling about that situation too. 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.720 That you're probably right, but that's insane that they would 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:03.000 be so they're punny. Oh God, I don't even know 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:03.640 what to say to that. 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.520 I think they're probably worried that the kids would say 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:10.000 something to you about anything that they saw going on, 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.119 and that's what they're really ultimately scared of. 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.639 I thought that too, but just with them, Like the 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:21.679 last week or so, Shanna's mom has allowed Jared's parents 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.160 to talk to the kids via FaceTime, so like she's 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.920 allowing Jared's parents and Jared's sister to talk to them, 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.359 but continues to ignore me. So to me, I'm like, 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.040 if you were afraid of them saying something, you wouldn't 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.800