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Speaker 1: This episode contains discussions of childhood trauma, abduction, and identity

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Speaker 1: challenges that may be distressing for some listeners. Listener discretion

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Speaker 1: is advise. Hey, Professional Homegirls A shagirl Ebinez here and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to another amazing episode of the Professional Homegirl podcast.

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Speaker 1: We have a very special guest during us today known

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Speaker 1: as the longest living Jane Doe, who decades later discover

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Speaker 1: her true identity. In our conversation today, we dive into

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Speaker 1: the depths of her experiences, from the trials of her

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Speaker 1: childhood to the profound significance of discovering her true self,

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Speaker 1: including the revelation of her abduction. Now get ready to

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Speaker 1: be inspired as we uncover the remarkable story behind a

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Speaker 1: woman who defined the odds and found her voice. I

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Speaker 1: was the longest living Jane Doe starts now, So to

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Speaker 1: my guests, thank you so much for being on the show.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing, how are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: I am awesome, I am just phenomenally well. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for asking.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I was just telling her, y'all. I see

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Speaker 1: her in the documentary I believe in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: and I was just so like, I was just like,

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Speaker 1: I need to have her on the show. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Tom is not real. Here we are in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four and now she is on the show. So I

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Speaker 1: am just so appreciative and thankful for you coming out

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Speaker 1: to be a part of the Professional Homegirl podcast. Yes, yes, Now,

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Speaker 1: my first question for you is because I love when

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Speaker 1: you explained this in one of your interviews. You talked

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Speaker 1: about how everyone should be a social responsibility agent.

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Speaker 3: To me, as a community, we all have to get involved.

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Speaker 3: You know what happened with child deduction, what happens with

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Speaker 3: human trafficking, you know, any abuse. It's gonna take all

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Speaker 3: of us to get engaged being a social responsibility agent

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Speaker 3: is are you ready or prepared to take action? Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: in my case, people were paralyzed, you know, when I

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Speaker 3: was trying to share what was happening to me, and

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Speaker 3: I'm talking as early as any to eleven. You know

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Speaker 3: in my teen board, it paralyzed and they shock them.

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Speaker 3: But to me, it's just your social responsibility to see

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Speaker 3: something and do something. It's not to see something say something.

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Speaker 3: You have to actually get engaged.

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Speaker 1: Now, do you think that we should teach our kids

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Speaker 1: like little codes or something when things like this happen,

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Speaker 1: so it can easier for us to be social responsibility agents.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And I call it teach them to tell,

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Speaker 3: teach them to tell. So I come up with small

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Speaker 3: techniques with my children, and of course I use real terminology,

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Speaker 3: so I don't say, you know, my little tae tis,

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Speaker 3: I say, if somebody touches your breast, you know, use

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Speaker 3: the right language, because when they're you know, using other languages,

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Speaker 3: they don't know how to stop the predator and say,

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Speaker 3: you know, you're not supposed to touch my brats.

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Speaker 2: And that really from doing that.

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Speaker 3: So yes, definitely teach it as early as possible, as

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Speaker 3: early as you can. Each child is different and absorb

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Speaker 3: their information different. But I think every parent should speak

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Speaker 1: Now in your experience, what are some common misconceptions or

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Speaker 1: stereotypes about missing black girls that need to be undressed

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Speaker 1: in order to improve responses and outcomes.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know they always look at you know, African

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Speaker 2: We're this strong ones all.

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Speaker 3: The time, all the time, like we don't go through nothing,

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Speaker 3: we don't know, so you know, you know, we may

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Speaker 3: to them, we may need a break or you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe she's.

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Speaker 3: With her you know, her boyfriend, right exactly, So all

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Speaker 3: the wrong all the wrong reasons, just like what's happening

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Speaker 2: Oh she must have ran away. Oh she's fast, you know,

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Speaker 3: So again, people have gotta switch their mindsets and really

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Speaker 2: Is any white van.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the best key when it comes to educating

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think another misconception, this is something we

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Speaker 3: Well, I was actually missing for over fifty years.

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Speaker 1: I think over fifty years.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, over fifty years.

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Speaker 3: I did not realize that I was abducted until the

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Speaker 1: Remind you, she looking like she in her forties, her

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Speaker 3: So to me, it was even more so alarming that

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Speaker 3: it took me twenty more years of me investigating, trying

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Speaker 2: Like I'm going across the country showing up the missing

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Speaker 2: your daughter looks just like you, you know, And I'm

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Speaker 2: holding this missing person fly and I'm like, no, that's me.

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Speaker 2: So all missing children are on debt that we're alive,

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Speaker 2: we're out here, we don't know that we were stolen

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Speaker 3: And to me, when you switch that mindset, people want

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Speaker 2: So, unfortunately, if no one was looking for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how does it feel?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: How do you feel being known as the longest living

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Speaker 2: That was a survival at tech for me.

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Speaker 3: So unfortunately, like I said, I was investing in private

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Speaker 3: detect My DNA was everywhere. I was getting attorneys, I

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Speaker 3: was doing case searches, and the Salvation Army, who has

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Speaker 3: been around since the early eighteen hundreds. Yeah, I work

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Speaker 3: with them, and they gave me a letter saying, man,

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Speaker 2: You're like a Jane Doe.

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Speaker 1: So me and my guests off the era, we were

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Speaker 1: just talking about how she's been sharing her story for

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Speaker 1: shows on true crime platforms, and I do understand that

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Speaker 1: I do understand that it's important for us to share

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Speaker 1: these stories, especially on platforms. But to my guests, what

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Speaker 1: to true crime shows highlighting many cases of missing black women.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that this helps or do you perceive

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I think that we as avid kids have been elevating

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Speaker 3: fighting for that one position, advocating a little bit harder,

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Speaker 3: you know, being the voice of the African American, all

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Speaker 3: the people of color, you know, the indigenous people saying hey,

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Speaker 3: we're going missing, and we you know, not only deserve

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Speaker 3: We're at the States where we're demanding, you know, equal time,

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Speaker 3: we need the media coverage resources, we need exactly those

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Speaker 3: same resources. And there is a term called the white

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Speaker 3: woman's syndrome, yeah, which means that as soon as you

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Speaker 3: know a Caucasian woman goes missing, let me tell you,

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Speaker 3: the helicopters go out to scuba dips and years ago,

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Speaker 3: everything stops, everything stops. Which I'm really not upset about that. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm really happy because to me, the only

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Speaker 3: loved ones. But what I do see is it's only fair.

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Speaker 3: It's imperative that everyone gets equal treatment the minute that

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Speaker 1: To see, right, because I feel like especially you can

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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. During your time, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: like that. It was always just white girls. And now

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Speaker 1: I feel like during this current time, like now, it

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Speaker 1: feels like it's an upticking. You know, we gotta do this,

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Speaker 1: we gotta do that. Even with the whole I think

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Speaker 1: there it was a black amber alert that was made, Yes.

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Speaker 2: The ebony alert, the ebony alert.

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Speaker 3: But it's only in California, so unfortunately alert is not natural.

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Speaker 3: But it takes legislation, and that's one of the things

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Speaker 3: that I fight here in Maryland. Currently we're having a

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Speaker 3: General Assembly and I'm petitioning right now, but each state

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Speaker 3: has to actually get involved. And unfortunately, a young lady's

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Speaker 3: wife was lost and that's when the Evey alert came up.

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Speaker 3: But it's again, It's only in California, but it's like

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Speaker 2: As long as we continue.

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Speaker 3: To have podcasts like yours, you know, share these messages

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Speaker 3: and letting people become instant advocates by using our story

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Speaker 3: and our voices, that ebony alert will probably become national.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope. So, so tell us about your the

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Speaker 2: Oh man? You know.

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Speaker 3: So I hope everyone has their tissue and clean X

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Speaker 3: out because unfortunately me, you know, I was hidden in

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Speaker 2: Was abused.

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, and he's a trigger. So if

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Speaker 3: anybody has triggers or PTSD, what assault, I actually have

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Speaker 3: my sexual assault began at the age of three up

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Speaker 3: And at the time I had no idea that they

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Speaker 2: I just you know, I just thought that you know,

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Speaker 2: going to or your uncle's exactly. And I just had

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Speaker 3: You know, in high school, all my girlfriends are like,

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Speaker 3: my mom's a bee and you know, because curfew was

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Speaker 3: taken or allownce wasn't provided, you know, I'm like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that this woman wasn't even my biol mother? And like

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Speaker 3: I said, I just just shudocking. So it was it

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Speaker 3: was three and four years old that the abuse happened.

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Speaker 3: Like I lived in a sheltered area. It was just

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Speaker 3: really sad. I just wasn't nurtured, wasn't cared for, didn't

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Speaker 3: I was already gone from.

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Speaker 1: That environment, right, right, How did you cope with all

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Speaker 1: of that during that time or did you even know

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Speaker 1: how to cope?

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 3: I blamed God because I looked at it like I

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Speaker 3: was free before I was free mentally, like so I

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Speaker 3: was gifted in my mindset. And I kept saying to myself,

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Speaker 3: I know that I met for so much more, like

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Speaker 3: just just horrific acts of against my human rights?

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Speaker 2: What's happening? I always said, I know that I met

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Speaker 3: I saw the magazines, I saw my crime tomates, I

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Speaker 3: and I kept saying, it's something wrong with these people.

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Speaker 3: And I kept looking to myself saying, I know that

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Speaker 2: What God, where is it? You know?

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Speaker 1: So crazy? That's my next question. I was gonna ask you,

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Speaker 3: And she literally on the phone said, I will go

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Speaker 3: She died at seventy seven, and she passed away the

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Speaker 3: Oh, she lying, what about the DNA and what happened

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Speaker 3: I said, of a missing kid. There's a family so

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Speaker 1: So I'm have you did you forgive her?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a hard pills, A swallow like.

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Speaker 3: Because what I didn't like and understand was who steals

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Speaker 2: Who abducts a one year old baby and beat them

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Speaker 3: Like I got beat on days just because it was

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't even know. I had no idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what was involved in the process of you

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Speaker 2: Oh, it was just my constant research. You know.

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Speaker 3: Right, always like this is impossible, you are this does

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Speaker 3: That way would minimized people saying what did you exactly?

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Speaker 1: So when did you find out the real story? What

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: Who told you that story?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: No, So I still don't know the story because everyone's deceased.

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Speaker 3: I just know that I was stolen from my mother.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you met your siblings from your mother's side.

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Speaker 3: But because of COVID, it took us an additional two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she and they thought it was dead. There wasn't.

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Speaker 3: After fifteen years. They just assumed that, you know, there

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Speaker 3: So I've been in Baltimore, Maryland since the abduction.

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Speaker 1: And you're thinking you grew up like you from there?

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Speaker 1: Were you really from New York?

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 1: There ain't nothing but God, man.

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Speaker 3: There ain't nothing but God. And speaking of that, so,

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Speaker 3: So to me being in my mother's womb, you know

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Speaker 1: Know, yeah you're marinating and all that New York swaft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was seven. It was seven children. My mother

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Speaker 3: When I met my sister, it was seven of us

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and it was really really and to me

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Speaker 1: she was definitely a teenage mom.

446
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

447
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: So, like I said, what we call postpartun depression definitely

448
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 3: is what this woman was going through. And then it

449
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 3: was those safety net like no one saw a grandparent,

450
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 3: you know, grandmother, grandfather and aunts and uncles.

451
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah.

452
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 1: So are you in connection with all seven siblings or

453
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: are they.

454
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: One since I've met them, has passed away. Yes, but yes,

455
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 3: I'm in connection with them all.

456
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: Oh wow, man, God bless you because what a story.

457
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I.

458
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: Think, but again, by you know, even you remembering so

459
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 3: much of the story you're advocating, so you're you're an

460
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 3: inster an advocate. Now because you're now you can say, oh,

461
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,479
Speaker 3: I know somebody that was missing. She was an African

462
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: American woman, And yes, you can get because of what's

463
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 3: happening in the in the in the streets right now.

464
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 3: So grateful for the journey, and I'm grateful that I've

465
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 3: been able to take that sorrow and convert.

466
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 2: It into success, you know, like to know.

467
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 3: That, you know, just taking all of that pain and

468
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 3: creating this whole purpose, this whole platform to help other people.

469
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: Just it just means a lot to me, and it

470
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: will be the legacy that I leave my kids.

471
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: I had no nothing.

472
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you ever think about because when I was

473
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: reading your story, even when I first heard your story

474
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, do you think your mom played

475
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: a role on all this?

476
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.

477
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 3: Me personally, I don't think so. This was a whole

478
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 3: criminal act. Definitely litten the book on the page, I

479
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 3: don't know what's section. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta

480
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 3: read my story. I gotta neark my page. Right. But

481
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 3: in the book, one of the relatives of the woman

482
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:56,479
Speaker 3: who abducted me had shared she brought me to Baltimore Maryland,

483
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: and she went ghosts for two years.

484
00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: They had no idea.

485
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: They just assumed that she had given birth, came to Baltimore,

486
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 3: dropped me off and said, hey, you know I got

487
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 3: I'm still working. I'm trying to, you know, do some things.

488
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 3: And she was gone for two years. They didn't see her.

489
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: At all. So to me, that was definitely covering her tracks.

490
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 3: You know, to me my mom, and then you changed

491
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 3: my name, you changed my day to birth. You never

492
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: revealed at the age of twenty eight, you never said

493
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: anything at all.

494
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like had my mom played a role.

495
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 2: Let's say my mom played a role.

496
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: This woman as much as I accused her, she was

497
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 3: almost arrested, like it was so much going on, you

498
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: would think she would sit down and say, litten, Linda.

499
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: Listen right, listen, Linda.

500
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 3: You know your mother was going through it, and you know,

501
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 3: I don't know she you know, you set them down.

502
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 3: I've seen plenty of stories where you know, two best

503
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: friends got together.

504
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: You hear about the surrogate pregnancy. She gave me nothing.

505
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 3: She gave me nothing. The way how cruel this woman

506
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 3: was to me. It just definitely played right into all

507
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: the whispers and comments that I was hearing from her

508
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 3: family that it was definitely a crime.

509
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: And her family too, because her family played a role

510
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 1: in this, because they knew about it.

511
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's in the back of the book.

512
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: I call them role players, and I feel that anyone

513
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 3: who is around family members. So if you're if you're

514
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 3: in a household and the child is being abused and

515
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 3: you're constantly seeing them crime, you know, you're not saying

516
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: anything to the child or to the potential abuse.

517
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: Her, You'll playing a role in that. And to me,

518
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: they played a role.

519
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: Do you think when people play a role they should

520
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: be punished.

521
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 2: Absolutely, accountability all the way around.

522
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, baby, they just passed away, and

523
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 3: you know, and the father had the daughter around a

524
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: man who had previously had you know, charges against them,

525
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: was actually a faulting a child.

526
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: To me, you were you played a role in a

527
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: significant role.

528
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. What would you say kept you hopeful and motivated

529
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: during times of uncertainty?

530
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: I think my ability to keep my mindset focused on

531
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: my children. I didn't want, you know, this whole abuse

532
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: to twinkle down to them, and I was seeing how

533
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: you know, my kids were developing just mat of fact,

534
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 3: for my son to be able to have an opportunity

535
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: to go to the China.

536
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: You know, so I was on my role of wanting

537
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: to be a mom.

538
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 3: I was watching it and God had gifted me, you know,

539
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: that one desire, that one wish, and I was. I

540
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: was grateful for that. And I'm not gonna brag him

541
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 3: both because you know, I'm very confident. But I'm telling you,

542
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 3: if I entered as the mail clerk, I made it

543
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: up the vice president somewhere. If I entered in as

544
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: an assistant something, I wind up being the director.

545
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: Let me to come back. I don't. I never, I

546
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 2: don't play. I don't.

547
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: But you ain't got no choice. You when you went

548
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: overload survival, you gotta go hard.

549
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I couldn't go.

550
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: To college, so most of the career bills that I

551
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: wanted to get into.

552
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: You couldn't go to college with.

553
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: No birth certificate. I had no identity. I didn't couldn't

554
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: even travel the country. I couldn't leave or knew anybody exactly.

555
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: So I didn't even think that.

556
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: So you ain't have for real, I nothing, but girl,

557
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 3: let me tell you about real estate investment. I didn't

558
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: have to have a versertificate, property after property, and I

559
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: was looking at my kids.

560
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 2: I said, I don't year. I just went you can.

561
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: So that was my gift to my children.

562
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: How could I transition what happened to me and give

563
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 3: them a leged And this is before I ever found

564
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 3: out that you know what happened to me. I was

565
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: writing on the fact that I had no need, I

566
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 3: had no substance.

567
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: And I had to start converting mean most of those.

568
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 3: Things into my children because I was paying for to

569
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: six hundred thousand dollars like insurance policies, and without a

570
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: birth certificate, you don't get a death certificate, so our

571
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: kids would have never gotten So I.

572
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: Was learning and losing and learning and losing.

573
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 3: And learning, but I was and I was leaping the

574
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 3: entire time. I just kept asking God, I know that

575
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: I meant for so much more.

576
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: God, just tell me anyway. I know I'm meant so

577
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: so much more.

578
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: Just how do you kids feel about all this?

579
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 2: Well?

580
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: It was a struggle. It was really a struggle. So

581
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: because I didn't know these people were my people. They

582
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: were around them, but not like around them, but they

583
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: were around them right.

584
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: Well, once I discovered.

585
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: It, I started like, really like winning off, like it

586
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: was an instant wing off. But my son, one of

587
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: my kids, he was like, is that is that why

588
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: we don't We don't have family either.

589
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: We don't go anywhere because you know, I thought something

590
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: was crazy got cousins right.

591
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: So when I did the book, I told them. I

592
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: set them down a living room and I said, I

593
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: have to tell you something. I said, I don't know

594
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: who these people are. I just discovered that, you know,

595
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: I'm not who I am. I can't even tell you your

596
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: mother's name, even though their dad, you know, that's not

597
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: a problem on their father's side.

598
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: But I couldn't even tell them the name. So I

599
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: gave them a chance.

600
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: In the book, I said, do you want to use

601
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: your name or do you want to say My children

602
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: actually picked their own names inside the book so I

603
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 3: would bring them along the journey because I couldn't tell

604
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: them a story like your Greek greet Greek grandmother worked

605
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: at the White House, or we have land in Texas

606
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: that you can inherit in one so I gave them

607
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: choices and even now all the rights to everything that

608
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: I have, the movie, the both the books, and all

609
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: of my businesses.

610
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: It's already in their names.

611
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 1: Wow, that's what I'm talking about. Mo. Yeah, So did

612
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: your experience as a Jane Doe influenced the way you

613
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: supported your children's own journeys of self discovery and identity formation?

614
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: It probably Well, the django came so late, did you

615
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: know that? Really?

616
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: That came in in frustration of not having the assaults.

617
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: So the longest living Jane Doe I had hit another brickwall.

618
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: And my daughter said, oh my god, your book is

619
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: about you know, you sold thousands, but it's been out

620
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: for over ten years and you still don't.

621
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: You don't know who you are. And I had spent

622
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars.

623
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I spent two thousands of dollars sending

624
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: my transcripts and books to again trying to get my

625
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: face on television to get exposure, and nothing actually happened.

626
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: And that's what brought the documentary.

627
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: I hired a film crew and you know, got a

628
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: script built, I directed, the movie, launched in Baltimore City.

629
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: I went on tour in New York and d C

630
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: and COVID hit So they've been an intricate part of

631
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: the development, which is great, and they see me now

632
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: on the Great Cross.

633
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: No, you're good, you're good.

634
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: You know. They see me as the leader of their mom.

635
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: They see me as his advocate. They see proud, very

636
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: very proud. They're very very proud, you know.

637
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: So it's been it's been a weird journey for them,

638
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: but it's blood journey.

639
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: You know.

640
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: They don't bring it up like at school, my kids

641
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: in college, they don't say. You know, they may if

642
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 3: it's like January is National Human Trafficking Awareness Month, so

643
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: if there's a campaign, they may ask me to come

644
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: and speak. And then may it's National Missing Children's Aware

645
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: this month. So if there's something that's happened at the school,

646
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: like anything to be a facilitated to bring awareness and

647
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: prevention and education, they may say, well, mom, I don't

648
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 3: have a problem with you. You know, you want to come

649
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: talk about the story. So they've they've embraced it now.

650
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: They did go through that window of you know, when

651
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: they were young. They're classmate, read the.

652
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: Book and it's like, oh my god, that's stuff that

653
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: happens to.

654
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: You, because my book is wrong like it is. It's

655
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: the Internet, and it's a book that I've been blessed.

656
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: Every review has been like five stars. Many people pick

657
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: it up, they don't put it to lead.

658
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: And I also think that's great that you do come

659
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: to those events and stuff because people need hope, especially

660
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: in situations like this, and the fact that you've been

661
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: missing for over fifty years and you are alive and

662
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: well like that gives people hope a lot.

663
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very very grateful.

664
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: I have a matter of fact, I'm going to Ohio.

665
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: They've contracted me out to come and do a full

666
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: summit there for missing and abducted and this is what

667
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: law enforcement agencies and nonprofits. And then there's another one

668
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: that's in Virginia that's coming up in November and the

669
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: same exact thing.

670
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: So I use my platform to bring all the education.

671
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 3: And awordness and what's working right, So don't tell my story,

672
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: y'all want to be able to convert the mindset on

673
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 3: how do we.

674
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: Get people involved?

675
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: You know, you locking down safety tips in your phone,

676
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: and you know the hotline numbers. You know if you

677
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: have a loved one miss then how to engage in

678
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: the actual search for the missing. So it's a lot

679
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: of work that's gone into it, but I'm very excited

680
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: to share.

681
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: But does all this work ever affect your mental health?

682
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: Actually it hasn't because to me, I'm that uniquely qualified person.

683
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: Like you know, like you know who who else I

684
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: do it? You know. It's like so I look at

685
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: God like is this my excitement?

686
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: Like is this like I get to make cupcakes, you know,

687
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: and open up like I don't getting a little girl

688
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 4: dream like you know what I'm you know, sold some

689
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 4: dresses or something.

690
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: Like, I don't get like a little bowl or something.

691
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: Make a little bowl, right, I gotta stand there with

692
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: pickings like changes the right to pedaphal, make a registrant,

693
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: you know.

694
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Right.

695
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: So, but it's been a journey and and he gifted

696
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: me with humor. Yeah, and that's a great thing, my

697
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: energy and my humor. Like I said, I've never smoked, drink,

698
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: done drugs in my entire fifty soon to be fifty eighths,

699
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: I know by actually age now I'm so proud of

700
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: so fifty eight years of life. So when it comes

701
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: to my work and my advocacy, it means it means

702
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: a great deal.

703
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: Music.

704
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: So, now that you know who you are, how do

705
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: you view yourself?

706
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: Like?

707
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: Did that ever change?

708
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: No? So ironically all of my social media platforms is

709
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: known as right. Like, I'm trying to.

710
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: Like get used to the you know what my real

711
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: name is and introducing myself and you know, allowing people

712
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: to introduce me as you know, so that part of

713
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: me hasn't changed what I do. Want to make sure

714
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 3: that people understand it. You know, again, you gotta thrive

715
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: beyond just surviving. There's a lot of survivors out there

716
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 3: who are still living in their pain. They're still living

717
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: in their hurt, and they have to try to tap

718
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: into their own resiliency. Take the baby steps. You know,

719
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 3: you don't have to try to cantapault off the mountain.

720
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: If you can jump off the curve and find joy

721
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: and happy a little bit peace and redirect yourself by

722
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: all means do so.

723
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: And that's what I've been able to do.

724
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: Right And what are some insights have you gained about

725
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: yourself and just life in general throughout this unique journey?

726
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 3: You go, I only insight I haven't got intentionally picked

727
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: me with all the energy because I'm challenge you your

728
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: mother for all the things I currently do. You know,

729
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: just it has never driven me to pain and sorrow. Yeah,

730
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: I've had weak moments even talking on this podcast. I've

731
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: teared up a few times.

732
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: But how can you though, like, well, you know, and

733
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: if people will.

734
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: Say, oh my god, you're not over it yet, or

735
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: you know what, I can't believe you have any you know,

736
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: you know I will forever you have to see a

737
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: dog get injured by a vehicle, and every time you

738
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,959
Speaker 3: think about the important puppy.

739
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: You're gonna clan.

740
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

741
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: And so that's how my life is.

742
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: You know, the minutes that I know that I was

743
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: being molested by multiple men in the basement, in the attic,

744
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 3: in the back room, you know, like those visions will

745
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: never ever stop and I'm never gonna walk and rush

746
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: it away. But I'm just grateful at God trying to

747
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: switch And again, I just don't sit in that right

748
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: and what happened to me is not who I am.

749
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: And that's what I tell you.

750
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: You kids, did you ever go to therapy or anything?

751
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 3: Like?

752
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: Did you go like what did you ask that to

753
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: a question?

754
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: Everyone?

755
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: You know why I asked that because I know you

756
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: are a woman of a certain age, and I know

757
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: back in that time like that just wasn't something that

758
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: was like as recommended as it is now. So but

759
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: I like, I'm talking to you and I see and

760
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: you are a very like upbeat, happy person. So I

761
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: just wonder, like, what did you do on your healing journey?

762
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: Like it was it just all God? Or was it

763
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: just like you know, I was chosen for my.

764
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: Role my healing journey was I assumed my role with

765
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: my healing journey. So if I was the executive director

766
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: of John Hockin University, if I was the mom or

767
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 3: the PTA mom, I held my role right around the

768
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: COO of a construction company.

769
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: For twenty years.

770
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's where my my energy comes from. Is

771
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: bmba ancestor. I am holding my role. I'm picking up

772
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: the toy where it was dropped and I'm moving forward.

773
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: You know, I don't even feel like you say, oh,

774
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 3: break some change and break the monitor, and I'm like,

775
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: I'm working nothing because it's what made me. I'm not

776
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: going to detach that link because I don't know what

777
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: my mother endored, so I can't hold her accountable for

778
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: you know, what transpired between them. I just know that,

779
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: you know, for me to move forward, it's so important

780
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 3: to you know, my mission, you know, this journey for

781
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: my children, and I want my when my children have

782
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 3: to share this story with my grandchildren.

783
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: That's the role that I want to be able to hold.

784
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to say, you know that I broke,

785
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: that I cracked, that I fell out to me institutionalized,

786
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, but the therapy, I mean, I got

787
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: some good girlfriends. I probably owe some money to.

788
00:37:52,920 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: You, you know, you know, you know, oh man, God

789
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: bless your mother because if he thirty four and a

790
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: child is missing, that would have broke. Probably broke a

791
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: lot of people to.

792
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And that happened more like all

793
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 3: the children were small too.

794
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: I think at the time.

795
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: That's a lot that was That is a lot because

796
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: and that's when when someone said, you know, how did

797
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: you think of your mother?

798
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: You have seven kids. You ain't giving them no kids,

799
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: you know.

800
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: Back in the day, right like you.

801
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: Were getting money, you know. But I couldn't imagine it.

802
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: From my older sister, she did share that her fondest

803
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 3: memory of our mother was that we went to school,

804
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: she saw in our clothes, she cooked dinner. You know,

805
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 3: we had the holiday like Christmas in Easter. So to

806
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 3: me that was just hearing her say that and knowing

807
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: how this family me and this details in the book,

808
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: like you crime, ooh.

809
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: Girl, what happened to your dad?

810
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know. I didn't need it. I didn't know.

811
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about my dad. Yeah, wow, I

812
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: didn't know.

813
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking back, is there anything you would have done

814
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: differently to expedite the process of finding your identity?

815
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: Nope? I did absolutely everything.

816
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: And this is what I tell when I do lectures

817
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: at the high schools in the colleges. You know, keep telling,

818
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: you know, I told, and I kept telling, and I told.

819
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: I almost lost my life. I was almost murdered by

820
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: this woman because I revealed what had happened to me. Yeah,

821
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: I revealed what happened to me to someone and they

822
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: confronted her from from a school and then she found out.

823
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: And it was it was really really, it was just

824
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: that bad.

825
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 3: So there was nothing that I think because I did everything,

826
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: Like even in my search, I did everything to stay alive,

827
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: Like I literally tiptoed around these people to stay alive

828
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 3: up until I ran away from home at eighteen.

829
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: Right, Well, why would why would that person say something?

830
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: Okay, So remember I was telling you earlier in our conversation,

831
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: and some people get paralyzed and they're confused. So I

832
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: would tell a counselor at school that I was being

833
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: sexually assaulted, and I would say, ooh, by that's what

834
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: they do.

835
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: They reported to the family.

836
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: They yeah, exactly, Wow, yeah, so same thing you know

837
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: that I told the young kids earlier. Tal until someone listens.

838
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: And it's really sad because you always hear about these

839
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: domestic violence cases when people say why di she lean

840
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: you know why? You know, we are threatened and we

841
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: are abused. We are so scared, you know, and we

842
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 3: and a lot of people are scared of the people

843
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: that you're stared up.

844
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know that fear run? Is that fear

845
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: run that? Yeah? Yeah, So you have to teach them

846
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: that the young kids are just teach them to tell.

847
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: And after every podium, every stage that I leave, by

848
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: the time I get off the stage in a high school,

849
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: there's no less than five kids at the podium.

850
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: They need to be seen.

851
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: What you mean, someone's at home by lesson in, their

852
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: mom's boyfriend and uncle, and it's I try to minimize

853
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: doing the high schools. Yeah.

854
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: This is one of the reasons why I wanted to

855
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: create this platform, because I was physically abused when I

856
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: was growing up, and I think when people see us,

857
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: they don't think that we've been through anything unless we

858
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: start sharing our stories. And just by creating this platform

859
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: and having stories like yourself and other women who have

860
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: been sexually abused or just abused in general, you know,

861
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: your storyline becomes other people lifelines and people need to

862
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: hear that.

863
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

864
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: They And it's so many people that when they hear

865
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: your story, they share a little bit more and they

866
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 3: becomes theirpy for them.

867
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: You know that I can too.

868
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 3: And if she was able to do something, even especially

869
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: with writing a book, like a lot of people want

870
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: to tell their story. A lot of people want to

871
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: write a book. I did it out of desperation. I

872
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: did it out as looking for my identity. I wanted

873
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: to tell the world that, you know this, this is

874
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: what this family did to me. And if I died

875
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 3: my children a little they would all just went back

876
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: to that family.

877
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

878
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: So it was just it was just bizarre. So though

879
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: you look very good, you did good.

880
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: Yes, have you spoken to anybody from that family?

881
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: Uh? No? So when the book came out, it was horrible.

882
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: Oh I only imagine.

883
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: Oh, I told Rochery mom.

884
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: You know, they had this conversation with my children with

885
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: Duncans and they were like, you're mad at You're mad

886
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 3: at my mom about telling them about what your dad

887
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: did to my mom. Oh it was it was really

888
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: really bad.

889
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: Even the woman who lookeduck.

890
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: I mean, you know she went on this. You know

891
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: that's not true. That's a lie.

892
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: What's the life? Wait? Wait wait whit wait manute? What

893
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: she say? What's the lie? What told out is? There's

894
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: something some tips of blenks, some information, all right, yo?

895
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: I know her soul is not resting.

896
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: Many Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you know you know

897
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: how they said, God, prepare a table in front of

898
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 3: that enemans. And I've actually watched and witness that the

899
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 3: horrible lives that they lived, like you never require thing,

900
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: just being you know, just just evil hearted. Just the

901
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 3: souls were just rotten.

902
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think that is?

903
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: I don't I couldn't, you know, I don't know. I

904
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: you know what, I I don't even blame saying.

905
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: You know, we don't want to give him too much credit,

906
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: you know.

907
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: And it's probably and I think that maybe she may

908
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 3: have had childhood trauma. This one couldn't have children, she

909
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 3: couldn't conceive, and she didn't even get me until I

910
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: see she abducted me and her assume I mean, I

911
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 3: don't know looking at the paperwork, she would have been around.

912
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: Twenty four yeah, yeah, he would have been like around

913
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: twenty four years of me.

914
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: So I cannot imagine what in her life traumatized her

915
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: or what points tire right, And you know there are

916
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: other stories. So there's Connelina White that was stolen from

917
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: the hospital in New York.

918
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: In the Bronx, right exactly.

919
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: Then there's another camer Molesy.

920
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: I think she was on Ianavin's signe when she was

921
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: sixteen and she was, you know, inquiring about her paperworking too.

922
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: She found out the woman who raised her and stole

923
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 3: her her parents.

924
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: I feel like this is very common though.

925
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: Well it seems like it for African amagay, right right right, yeah, yeah,

926
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 3: so it's really so. And I do throw my number

927
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: and into that statistics of you know, a woman without

928
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: with you, who cannot conceive this without child and you know, stolen.

929
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 3: Because when those stories came out, I was already lobbying

930
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 3: and campaign and so they were calling on me saying,

931
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 3: oh my god, did you see the story that ain't me.

932
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: Maybe it ain't me, you know, but it was you know,

933
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: it was just a shocker that I was because what

934
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: happened to me and happened in the sixties. They both

935
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: were very fortunate because the National cinemations for their children

936
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: and their parents had reported them missing and there was

937
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: a campaign. When I got to the National Cinema sins

938
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: for their children to get my DNA in there was

939
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: no information.

940
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: WHOA do you feel like you got lucky?

941
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: I got the lowered. I don't think I got lucky.

942
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking just of time and technology, like from

943
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: then and now, like I definitely.

944
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: Took advantage of every platform, Like I don't even care

945
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: if they didn't.

946
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: Know, Like it literally took me two years.

947
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 3: So I'm missing child of a one two zero one

948
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 3: two nine eight on the National Registry of Missing Exploiting Children.

949
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: So when you think about the missing no carding kids,

950
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: so again, my story now brings, you know, the old

951
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 3: detectives who retired.

952
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: They're going in the basements.

953
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 3: And they're you know, wiping off the dust on those

954
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 3: folders and getting starting their searches again. So it's it's

955
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: it's it's weird. That I am that story.

956
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: I do it, you know, experienced a little moment every

957
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: once in a.

958
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: While, I can imagine, Yeah, that it gets me. So

959
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: when I see the story, I cannot watch.

960
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: So the movies abducted.

961
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: Story, does that trigger you?

962
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 3: It's not a trigger. It's almost like I don't want to.

963
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 3: I don't want to bring that extra burden because I'm

964
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: already working on so many case studies right now. So

965
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 3: in the state of Maryland, I host missing Children awareness

966
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: and human trafficking events and I did one two years ago,

967
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: d m B Missing, So you do the ashtag d

968
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: m B missing. Relasia Rudd is still missing, and we

969
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: campaign a lot for them. So I work on the

970
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: true living stories right now and not the movies.

971
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: Don't do the Yeah. So and like you said, it's

972
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 2: a big money maker. Yeah.

973
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 3: When you look at some of these ones, there are

974
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: a couple that are really strong, educationally strong that you

975
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: want that information out to the public. But then there

976
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 3: are other ones that you know there there are what

977
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: writers have come up with with, you know, telling us

978
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: something on Hulu and Lulu and next way those platforms.

979
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: Right, I got one more question for you before I

980
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: asked the last question, have there ever been a time

981
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: in the cases that you've been involving that the girls

982
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: don't come home, that they are deceased.

983
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: No, I haven't. I haven't met now.

984
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 3: Yes, they are ones that I've seen, but I have

985
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: not personally worked on. There was two men in Maryland

986
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: that I worked on and unfortunately they were deceased, and

987
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: one of them the case is still open.

988
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: The very very first one I had. The young man

989
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: was coming home from work and his car went.

990
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 3: Off off of an exit and when it flipped, it

991
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: flicked over upside down in a ravine in a water

992
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: tank area. And it took them months, months, months, and

993
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: they kept revisiting and you know, going back to the

994
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 3: job site, checking the cell phones, you know, checking the authorities,

995
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: checking the time.

996
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: They left work, checking forward his vehicle.

997
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: They did everything, and it took a bad storm to happen,

998
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: and helicopter was flying over to do like a newscasting,

999
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: you know, the weather on the highway and they saw

1000
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: the four tires upside down and when they pulled the vehicle,

1001
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: his body, his remains were still there. So that was

1002
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: one taste that I worked on with those and so

1003
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: my book proceeds. I actually send families proceeds to help

1004
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 3: them out. So if they're buying page protectors, they're printing

1005
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 3: copied they're getting staple guns.

1006
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: Because all that tends up.

1007
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, all those things add up. And I'm not even

1008
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: an official nonprofit. So, like I say, God has blessed

1009
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: me in so many ways. That's what I campaigned, so

1010
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 3: to speaking engagements from those prost deeds and proceeds from

1011
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 3: me showing my documentary.

1012
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: That's my personal documentary.

1013
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: So I go and I set up, you know, for

1014
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 3: book clubs, I set up for the nonprofit organization youth programs,

1015
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: and again I send that information to you, and then

1016
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 3: I will show up to help families, show them physically,

1017
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 3: show them how to properly air the missing person fires,

1018
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: you know, and how to you know, have a conversation

1019
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: with a storefront asking permission? Do you really have to

1020
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: ask commission of seven eleven's in wild ware and Royal Bomb?

1021
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 3: So I go out with the families the only as requested.

1022
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: I just don't show up, you know, randomly. It takes

1023
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: somebody say it's this missing girl, right, and it's been

1024
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: really it's been, it's been amazing. So it's a couple

1025
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 3: of other projects that are very huge that a naturally

1026
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 3: being worked on right now that.

1027
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: I'm come on down, blessings.

1028
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: It's gonna help all the the entities, the three entities,

1029
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: which is the community, the family of the loved one,

1030
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: and then law enforcement agency. So just bridging the three

1031
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: together for an immediate response. Let me tell you this,

1032
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: within two hours of an induction, people usually physically abused,

1033
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: mental abes, emotional views within two hours.

1034
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: They're usually sexual needs within the same two hours. So

1035
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: be a murder.

1036
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, So getting this information out here, coming up with

1037
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: a strategic plan to get this out to the public,

1038
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 3: to get all hands on deck, it actually closes.

1039
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: That gap and can get that dal back home. So

1040
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of the work that we're doing.

1041
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: Oh I can't wait to hear more about it. However,

1042
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: I can support. I think this is amazing. I think

1043
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: that we need the same resources that everybody else get because,

1044
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, is black girls going missing a

1045
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: little bit more than other races.

1046
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: It's increases. So I think we're at forty percent.

1047
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So like if there's eight hundred thousand people

1048
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: that's reported annually, I think forty are of yea of

1049
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: African American people, and it's increasing. And unfortunately, when it

1050
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: comes to human trafficking with a reduction and individuals going missing,

1051
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: boiler and hire demand.

1052
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 2: Now yeah, you know, so the fight grows.

1053
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: And this is why we're trying to be We're moving

1054
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 3: as quick as we can. We're trying to get proper authorities,

1055
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: involves and the loopholes everywhere, of course, but I'm very

1056
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: proud to see the advancements that are being made. Hey,

1057
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: just by you mentioning you know the difference between the

1058
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 3: Amber alert and the Abity alert right there, let us know.

1059
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 2: That the mission is being well done.

1060
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just import I mean, I am

1061
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: the next Oprah, So I have to know these things.

1062
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: Niver, because I knew I was gonna be found to

1063
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: look at him.

1064
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: Come on now, listen.

1065
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be a journal you know. I

1066
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: didn't aspire to be a writer. I didn't aspire to

1067
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: do a movie and none of that. So I'm telling you,

1068
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, if you want to do something, and

1069
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 3: you desire to do something, I desired to find out

1070
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 3: who I was, and I applied myself when even people

1071
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 3: told me no, I designed my book cover I self published.

1072
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: So I just want people to know, don't let your

1073
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: past hinder you. Don't fall into the gap of you know,

1074
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: my father ain't no good, my mother did be you know,

1075
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: think about what you are capable of and don't you

1076
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 3: know what breaks my heart on social media now is

1077
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: a constantly see people all my friends ain't helping me,

1078
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 3: and you know, my family not helping. No one's obligated,

1079
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 3: it's not. There was full responsibility to help you launch

1080
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 3: your business, to push your dreams, to help you catabolt

1081
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 3: whatever your.

1082
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: Work is, your dream can nobody proof read your vision?

1083
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: But you you exactly exactly, So that's that's really to me.

1084
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: Being self motivated is self inspired, you know, and do

1085
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 3: what you have to do. All of us have a

1086
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: little bit of resiliency, some people not a lot, but

1087
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: you know, just tap into what you have. Like I said,

1088
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 3: off their curves me, you know, flipping and doing somer

1089
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 3: off the mountains.

1090
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: Right, right, and last, but not least, what advice would

1091
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: you give to others who may be searching for their

1092
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: own identities or missing loved ones.

1093
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 3: You didn't take advantage of all of the government portals

1094
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: like anything. You know, you had to have your birth certificate.

1095
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: So you got to go back to your archives. You

1096
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: went to school, you went to go to go to

1097
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: the Border of Education, any municipal, you know, the border Education,

1098
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: Department of Social Service. You know, you got so start

1099
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 3: collecting that you can ask family members questions, but jot

1100
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 3: it down.

1101
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm gonna tell you.

1102
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: Those books was four four dollars and I literally wrote

1103
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 3: them down. I wrote, and then I did a process

1104
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 3: of elimination. I checked here, I checked, I thought on

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Speaker 3: this application. This one was received, and I reviewed the

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Speaker 3: data components. This one didn't come back. I got to read,

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Speaker 3: you know, submit it again. You you've got to do it.

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Speaker 3: You can't just sit and say, you know, I asked

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Speaker 3: my cousin, Well ask my grandmother. You have got to

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Speaker 3: do your duduligs through the beginning the ancestry dot Com.

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Speaker 3: I always push them to twenty three and me and

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Speaker 3: there's a new what's not new with the African American one?

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Speaker 3: You have one that retracts the DNA. I just wanted

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Speaker 3: to know what was current.

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Speaker 2: I need to go all the way.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go all back there. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know like the past two and that's it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, Yeah, and act the family members and find

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Speaker 3: the volunteers in your families. There are people who may

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Speaker 3: want to share the doing a and say, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: I did hear something at your mom and my dad dad,

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Speaker 3: I so let's do out DNA together as a resource.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's one of their balance out what you're

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Speaker 3: doing on paper versus when you're working with a team member. Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think this was amazing. I'm so happy that

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Speaker 1: we finally connected because I feel like when I saw

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Speaker 1: your story, I was just like wow, like praise God

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Speaker 1: with this woman. I think you are such a walking

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Speaker 1: billboard of hope. And I feel like with situations like

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Speaker 1: these or just anything like, I feel like people need

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Speaker 1: to see a physical manifestation of what they need in

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Speaker 1: that moment, and I think you are it. So thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 3: I'm grateful to God. Let me be the example of

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Speaker 3: hope and perseverance and you know, just wee can it happened?

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Speaker 2: One question for you? How did you so?

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Speaker 3: Did you see the you saw it on a timeline

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Speaker 3: or you saw it on the HBO special.

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Speaker 1: I think I probably saw it on the HBO special

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Speaker 1: and then I think at that time, I think that's

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Speaker 1: maybe when your story was really going viral or yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then I had you on my list of people

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Speaker 1: I wanted to I wanted to speak to, and then

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Speaker 1: like we were talking about, time is just like not real.

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Speaker 1: Time just be moving so fast. So when your publusist

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Speaker 1: reach out to me, I'm like, wait, this is the

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Speaker 1: lady I wanted to speak to. Yeah, manifestation.

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Speaker 2: Time.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you seeing the severity of what actually not

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Speaker 3: just my story, but what is transpired from that and

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Speaker 3: sharing it with your listeners a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely so I'm your biggest fan. So thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for coming on and to the listeners. If

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Speaker 1: you have any questions, comments, or concerns, please make sure

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Speaker 1: to email me at hello at thephgpodcast dot com. Like

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Speaker 1: I always say, please make sure to share your storyline

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Speaker 1: because you never know how it can be someone else's lifeline.

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Speaker 1: Until next time. Everyone later, you're not gonna say bye.

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Speaker 2: Oh goodbye. I thought you were. You know you got

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Speaker 2: to qb in.

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