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Speaker 1: the SWB. It's the chip and then the dip. I
Speaker 1: got it, I got it. I understand. Are you a
Speaker 1: double dip guy? Yeah? If it's fine, okay, it's fair,
Speaker 1: it's good point. I mean, what you're considerative? What do
Speaker 1: you do if you're at like a you know, like
Speaker 1: gathering and somebody double dips and you don't know this person,
Speaker 1: oh side eye, side side, You're gonna like, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be direct with it. I feel like heck, one
Speaker 1: would just be like, hey, hey, hey, I'm saying guy.
Speaker 1: I am saying guy that forgets that you double the culpriate?
Speaker 1: Oh you're coupriate? Yeah? Man? Would you ever, just go
Speaker 1: up and just like if you're having a chip or
Speaker 1: whatever and just dip into someone else's stuff. Don't no kid,
Speaker 1: but community, but community. It's only a true savage would
Speaker 1: do something like that. Yeah. Yeah, and then you're like,
Speaker 1: oh man, yeah, I have a story for the break.
Speaker 1: Is a senior Bowl? No? No, well, heck when you're
Speaker 1: in a culpriate no, no, no, no, not a double situation.
Speaker 1: Just depends, you know. I'm that guy. He's just rolling,
Speaker 1: he's enjoying some nice tostitos. Did mean any dip? It
Speaker 1: just happens. I've done that. I have been the guy
Speaker 1: that's gotten the now was admitting your problem? Yeah, the
Speaker 1: fact that he is self aware is a great thing. Secondly,
Speaker 1: did you do with this past weekend during the Super Bowl? No?
Speaker 1: I did not. There we go and we're all good.
Speaker 1: We're all good here by the way, if you couldn't
Speaker 1: tell no Rob Phillips. Today we've got Nick Eatman standing
Speaker 1: in here from Dallas Cowboys. Dot your shirt keeping that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like the shirt looks great. Valentine's Day, Yeah, a
Speaker 1: little malin what my son, my son calls a Valentine's Day,
Speaker 1: And I just don't change it. Yeah, it's kind of cute. Happens. Okay,
Speaker 1: did he ask for something for vala Thursday? No? I
Speaker 1: mean he you know, he gets it. They get it
Speaker 1: at school. I think you know all the different candy, yeah, stuff,
Speaker 1: you just passed it around. I feel like schools getting soft.
Speaker 1: You remember back in the day, like stay are scooped?
Speaker 1: We got our right? So school is getting solved because
Speaker 1: back in the day, somebody showed up and they gave
Speaker 1: you a card. You remember that either you're either wrote
Speaker 1: wrote their name down, I was wrote a little little
Speaker 1: love letter, or they had a little Valentine's once you
Speaker 1: can buy in the pack. Absolutely, and was off to
Speaker 1: somebody guess. But there was always somebody who didn't get one, right, Sure,
Speaker 1: nowadays they don't allow that. No, everyone has everybody. If
Speaker 1: you bring it, you have to bring it for everybody.
Speaker 1: Is that so much bus Yeah? But but be a
Speaker 1: better person. Yeah. But there's ways around it, right, I
Speaker 1: mean you could say, like, I mean, what kind of
Speaker 1: stick er did they get? Did they get the one
Speaker 1: that said hug me? Or do they said like you're cool?
Speaker 1: Or okay so we could still be friends or let's
Speaker 1: go I mean whatever it is like, I'm not a dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a I love you. It's have fun.
Speaker 1: Spend extra money now to protect feelings. That's why they
Speaker 1: that's why they sell the pack of thirty. Yeah, your class,
Speaker 1: that's that's It's all about participation trophies for everybody. Don't
Speaker 1: want anyone to be left out. Tom thombs, that is
Speaker 1: that the Yeah Albertson's yeah, Albertson, stop something another. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I can't imagine or I can't imagine, and
Speaker 1: I love this, this visual image of you just like
Speaker 1: coaching up people, tearing up Valentine's No, Like, no, he
Speaker 1: doesn't need one. Keep going, he won't get to give
Speaker 1: him one. Yes, I picked my kids up from school, right,
Speaker 1: I got two girls and a boy. Okay, and I
Speaker 1: picked my kids up from school and a girl. As
Speaker 1: soon as they everybody gets in a car and I
Speaker 1: turn around and I give my daughters a rose. Right,
Speaker 1: everyone was there in a little baby girls. I've been
Speaker 1: giving them a rose every every every Valentine's Day. And
Speaker 1: my son looks at me, he's like, where what do
Speaker 1: I get? You don't get nothing? You talk about what
Speaker 1: do you get? I'll share something with you getting nothing directly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, not a sence. I guess it's about right.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. The only person that's ever bought me Valentine's
Speaker 1: presence is my mom and my fiancee, Open Chase. My
Speaker 1: dad's never bought me anything, so that's fine. But as always,
Speaker 1: but guys, just what happens on talking Cowboys whenever you're
Speaker 1: four minutes into an hour long show? Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: And then when you wear the Valentine's shirt Valentine's Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, guys, we can't look over this. This
Speaker 1: was your first engaged Valentine's It was what's indeed? Week
Speaker 1: after as actually week after that still have to come up?
Speaker 1: Did you still have to come up with something for Valentine? Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had had a gift and a bottle of wine
Speaker 1: and some roses and stuff. Yeah yeah, no it was Cabernet.
Speaker 1: We're cab people. Okay, yeah, we've got a favorite bottle,
Speaker 1: so I got the favorite bottle. Nick, you've been you've
Speaker 1: been married as long as I have. Just about you
Speaker 1: come up? You come up bag on Valentine's Day yesterday,
Speaker 1: you get roses, chocolate, all this stuff, I don't do that.
Speaker 1: I love that idea. Come on, that sounds great. You
Speaker 1: had to come up with something, Nick, Can we do
Speaker 1: our stuff? You know? Yeah, get to get the flowers,
Speaker 1: you get the car. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Water,
Speaker 1: everybody's got it. No, I wasn't water. It was close though.
Speaker 1: It's only sponsored thing. I can think. They get to
Speaker 1: Nick's like, wait a minute, buy one, get one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh by the way, for Valentine's they were fifty three
Speaker 1: individuals that are not only going to get a bottle
Speaker 1: of wine, but they're gonna get a ring. That's the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams that earned that Super Bowl title with
Speaker 1: the win over the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday. It's a
Speaker 1: close game. Actually, I thought LA was the far superior
Speaker 1: talented team, and we kind of talked about that a
Speaker 1: little bit last week. We forgot to give our predictions.
Speaker 1: But that's okay. But yeah, you had the Rams, yeah
Speaker 1: all the way through it, through and through. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no question about it. But who do you guys think
Speaker 1: that the standout superstar was for that game. It depends
Speaker 1: on the time of the game, but I would say
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup. Yeah, I'm going to go Aaron
Speaker 1: Dono in the last yeah, ad in those last minutes,
Speaker 1: he sealed the deal. I don't like co m vps,
Speaker 1: but I think they should have done it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think they both dominated their side of the ball
Speaker 1: like it was. I probably would have picked um Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald though. I just the way that Cooper Cup took
Speaker 1: over and that drive it stats are better than that too,
Speaker 1: because he was getting held all over the place. And
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like, do you think Trayvon Diggs or Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown you think they would have trouble with Cooper Cup? Yes, absolutely, yes,
Speaker 1: there are two best corners on the team. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, no doubt so Number fifty five, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I mean you're holding, you're holding, You're not staying with
Speaker 1: them in space, yep. And I mean look, linebackers get
Speaker 1: a bad rap anyway in those situations, and people automatically
Speaker 1: assume that that's supposed to be a flag. He did,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of there was a a little bit, right,
Speaker 1: but come on, man, he wasn't as egregious as they
Speaker 1: wanted to make it. And the way that the ball
Speaker 1: game had been called up into the point, it's like,
Speaker 1: come on, dog, it was tiki tack compared to the
Speaker 1: rest of the football game. Absolutely, I mean I could
Speaker 1: have found a better one. But number fifty five played
Speaker 1: the hell of a game. If you're gonna no call,
Speaker 1: see Higgins, I'm laughing at Chris Collinsworth tried his best
Speaker 1: the whole game to not that he played for Cincinnati
Speaker 1: until that that call, and he was like, that's what
Speaker 1: they called. Like that's he was like, that's what got
Speaker 1: you fake about that? Cause al Michael said him up.
Speaker 1: He was like, that's that's that's what they called. There
Speaker 1: you go, he's kind he threw something across the room. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a sound effect going on that. It's
Speaker 1: happened a couple of times in our booth every once
Speaker 1: in a while. But the big thing with it was
Speaker 1: it was a no call early in the game. Tee
Speaker 1: Higgins on the play with Jalen Ramsey where he almost
Speaker 1: ripped Ramsey's face mask off of his helmet, and then
Speaker 1: it's turned into a touchdown, and then you've got the
Speaker 1: no call or the actual call late on the past interference.
Speaker 1: So in my opinion, it kind of offset a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I don't agree with either one of the calls.
Speaker 1: I thought it should have been reversed either way, but
Speaker 1: it ended up evening out. Both teams benefited. Both teams
Speaker 1: scored a touchdown. Cooper Cup, by the way, we're talking
Speaker 1: about his dominance on that final drive, the amount of
Speaker 1: her sets, the amount of times he got open. Everyone
Speaker 1: in the stadium knew who the ball was going to.
Speaker 1: It was going to number ten in the in the white.
Speaker 1: It was going to him because he's a playmaker, and
Speaker 1: he gets open, and he finds his way into space,
Speaker 1: and in offensive coordinators and offensive play callings puts him
Speaker 1: in the space to be successful. I mean, I just figure.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just makes sense that you're leading, you know,
Speaker 1: your best receiver gets calls you know that are actually
Speaker 1: made for him to get open. He actually gets open.
Speaker 1: He scored two touchdowns on one drive. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of crazy. What do you think, Nick, Well, I think
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. They don't have a guy
Speaker 1: that Cooper Cup on the team. Um, they don't have that.
Speaker 1: They don't have that, they don't have a route runner
Speaker 1: like that. I don't think. I mean, I know, Mary
Speaker 1: Cooper is a really good route runner, but CD would
Speaker 1: probably be the closest one to that in terms of
Speaker 1: his escapability and elusiveness. Probably there's no doubt they got
Speaker 1: to get the guys. But there was a point in
Speaker 1: the super Bowl obviously win and Odell Beckham went down.
Speaker 1: Everybody knew who it was going to be, Cooper Cup yea,
Speaker 1: and they still couldn't stop it. They still couldn't stop it.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was amazing. It didn't look man,
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, you gotta be I'm happy for him finally
Speaker 1: getting his opportunity to get a Super Bowl and the
Speaker 1: way that he played in that fifteen play drive. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what the Super Bowl is all about, Man, those
Speaker 1: signature moments and drives that guys get those wins that
Speaker 1: live in infamy. You know, if it goes back to
Speaker 1: Alway and getting the first down whatever it is, you know, yeah, yeah, Centennial,
Speaker 1: Santonio Holmes and the toe touch, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think he had his moment. It's going to be a
Speaker 1: lot of argument arguing about yellow jackets and all of
Speaker 1: that with Stafford, but I just feel as though he
Speaker 1: had his moment in the sun. I'm glad he got it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that yellow jacket a kind of
Speaker 1: argument in the second segment and kind of throw DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Ware in there as well, as he didn't get into
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. So be sure to stick around
Speaker 1: for that. But I do want to hear your takeaways
Speaker 1: as it involves the Dallas cow Boys. Where does it
Speaker 1: relate in the way that you saw the game on Sunday,
Speaker 1: the way that game was played in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: What did you learn that you can bring back to
Speaker 1: your coverage of the Dallas Cowboys and say, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is how they get to that level, because right now
Speaker 1: it kind of feels like you're in a state of limbo,
Speaker 1: in between a window of opportunity and a window that
Speaker 1: is quickly closing. So Nick, I'll start with you on
Speaker 1: this one. What were your biggest takeaways from the game
Speaker 1: and how could the Cowboys try and match that. I
Speaker 1: think that you got to give a lot of credit
Speaker 1: to the Rams coaching staff. I mean, it's one thing
Speaker 1: to go get those players the aggressive mindset. You know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys went out two years ago and got not
Speaker 1: the same cowboy caliber they but they got you know,
Speaker 1: the Everson Griffins and in Dontari po and that they
Speaker 1: there's a few more I'm missing haha, Clinton, Dicks and
Speaker 1: all that, and it just for whatever reason, COVID or whatever,
Speaker 1: they just couldn't gel them together. So I think getting
Speaker 1: those guys is one thing, but finding you know, the
Speaker 1: role for Odell Beckham, to make him happy, to make
Speaker 1: von Miller and those guys happy to all work together.
Speaker 1: I thought that that was masterful. So if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: or whoever want to take that approach, that's fine. Um,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give out a bunch of first round picks,
Speaker 1: but you also got to have the coaching staff ready
Speaker 1: to go to put these guys in place to get
Speaker 1: them ready. It's a great point. I love that point.
Speaker 1: I think that if they're I think the Rams showed
Speaker 1: the entire National Football League what it's worth, like, what's
Speaker 1: your what's your reason? Right, And everybody's gonna talk about
Speaker 1: all or they don't have a first round pick for
Speaker 1: the next four years, so a Lombardi, So you play
Speaker 1: the game to win the Lombardi and you figure out
Speaker 1: the rest of the lad right. Everybody always one talks
Speaker 1: about the future. I know, I know we've had this conversation.
Speaker 1: But they secure their future, they secure the future. Their
Speaker 1: futures now states that they're to last people to win
Speaker 1: a dog on a super Bowl championship. That's what their
Speaker 1: future says. And I guess what everybody is now. They
Speaker 1: have all the draft equity that they that they need,
Speaker 1: They have a roster full of guys that have super
Speaker 1: Bowl rings on their hands, and now everybody's gonna want
Speaker 1: what they want a piece of that. So those four
Speaker 1: first round picks that they're missing, they'll get their equity
Speaker 1: back when when they're in a position now to trade
Speaker 1: some of these guys away. Do you want to get
Speaker 1: rid of your guys? No, but do you have the
Speaker 1: equity in order to do to get what you need? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: And that's the position that you want to be in.
Speaker 1: You want to control those cards. And I just hope
Speaker 1: that Dallas and especially Dallas is paying attention to say,
Speaker 1: if there are guys that you want that you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about this, there are guys that are out
Speaker 1: there that you know can be a freaking game changer
Speaker 1: for you right now that would push you over the edge,
Speaker 1: pull the dog on trigger. Stop talking about the future,
Speaker 1: stop talking about the salary cap, stop talking about all
Speaker 1: the things that we talk about they kick the can
Speaker 1: all the dog on time, dog on freaking punt, Brian
Speaker 1: anger that thing right all the way down the field
Speaker 1: because you need to find a way to secure the bag.
Speaker 1: Everything else would take care of itself. You're gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna reset it every year anyways, every single year. You're
Speaker 1: gonna sit back and you're gonna look at your roster
Speaker 1: and say, we got some tough decisions to make. You're
Speaker 1: gonna do that every single year, So might as well
Speaker 1: do that with a dog on a ring on your hand.
Speaker 1: You know, I agree with both of you guys, and
Speaker 1: I think that the point that you make Nick about
Speaker 1: the coaching staff being able to use all those guys,
Speaker 1: it's really important. It's one thing to get them, but
Speaker 1: it's another thing to use them. And you know, you've
Speaker 1: been Isaiah, You've you've stuck to your guns on the
Speaker 1: salary cap and to be damned, you know, get it now.
Speaker 1: And thankfully for the Rams, it worked. For a short
Speaker 1: little period there. They was almost looking like, oh, this
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna work. And the team that pretty much bandidd
Speaker 1: that their things together was about to win the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and they should be kicking themselves right now. But
Speaker 1: for blowing it because they blew it in the second half.
Speaker 1: If they blew it, and this is a team that
Speaker 1: obviously had an offensive line, and no way in hell
Speaker 1: they should have been in the super Bowl because they
Speaker 1: had nine sacks in their first playoff game and then
Speaker 1: the way that I think was the seven sacks in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Like eight sacks in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That's awful for a team to be at that level. Look,
Speaker 1: this is a copycat league, and everybody's gonna say conventional
Speaker 1: wisdom will tell you that that works, but it won't
Speaker 1: work for everybody. And if we if the Cowboys go
Speaker 1: to that kind of mentality to say, look, we're gonna
Speaker 1: sell out to do this, then it's gonna be miserable
Speaker 1: as hell around here for years to come. And it
Speaker 1: may just be that way for the Rams. And it's
Speaker 1: it's funny to me how all of a sudden McVeigh
Speaker 1: is in the you know what, he may want to retire.
Speaker 1: I think McVeigh doesn't want to be the guy playing
Speaker 1: the violin on the Titanic because the future is looking
Speaker 1: bleak for them. So that's where all that talk comes from.
Speaker 1: But look, you're right, they got a super Bowl. They're
Speaker 1: going to be the super Bowl champs all year, and
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna look at this and say this is the
Speaker 1: way that you can do it. I just don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that works for us with the pieces
Speaker 1: that we have. That's what It's an interesting point because
Speaker 1: that's really the way that a lot of people on
Speaker 1: the outside look at this is, Hey, they went out,
Speaker 1: they sold out, they went all in, and they won
Speaker 1: the super Bowl title. That's what you play the game for.
Speaker 1: You play the game to lift a Lombardi Trophy, and
Speaker 1: they did that. Things are gonna get tough. This is
Speaker 1: not going to be an easy road back to that
Speaker 1: sort of mountaintop for LA because they're gonna go right
Speaker 1: back to the bottom in a couple of years. Right now,
Speaker 1: they're fine. They have enough talents scattered throughout their roster
Speaker 1: that's not going to be vacated or equitized because of
Speaker 1: the fact that they won a super Bowl title. They've
Speaker 1: got guys returning. But kind of like what you said,
Speaker 1: that's interesting is now they have an opportunity and you
Speaker 1: said it like a true businessman to have a return
Speaker 1: on investment because you invested those first round picks in
Speaker 1: this talented roster, having guys like Odell Beckham junior Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 1: You traded two first round picks for your dot Gon
Speaker 1: quarterback Matthew Stafford. You traded a couple of first round
Speaker 1: picks for now you got a chance to maybe go
Speaker 1: back and say, Okay, now we can either push the
Speaker 1: reset button. Now, wait a year, see how we kind
Speaker 1: of patch the holes up again, and then push the
Speaker 1: reset button. But at some point they're probably going to
Speaker 1: have some sort of return on that. The Cowboys have
Speaker 1: never been in that mindset because that's a quicker cycle.
Speaker 1: And I said this on the Draft Show a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier. It's a quicker cycle of winning of that window.
Speaker 1: Your windows smaller, but it may be more volatile. You
Speaker 1: may have that opportunity to get to the top. Whereas
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have had a almost it's like an eight
Speaker 1: or nine maybe a decade long winning opportunity because they
Speaker 1: don't lose a whole lot, but they've always got a
Speaker 1: team that's just good enough to give you hope. So
Speaker 1: which strategy would you rather have? Take the names and
Speaker 1: the brands, take the star off the wall, take the
Speaker 1: rams off the helmet, which one would you rather have?
Speaker 1: Would you rather have the shorter, more volatile winning window
Speaker 1: where you have three or four years to get the
Speaker 1: job done or ten years and you just hope one
Speaker 1: of those years actually happens. I'm going Bazooka style. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm going Bazuka style because all you can control is
Speaker 1: the now. You could plan all day long. Planning is cool,
Speaker 1: it's awesome if you're planing works right, But which differ
Speaker 1: the Rams? Which you different a RAM? But the Rams
Speaker 1: played the now card? Yeah, they didn't played the later card.
Speaker 1: They played the now card. The Rams went out and
Speaker 1: got von Miller. Why because they knew there was gonna
Speaker 1: be a point in the playoffs, hopefully the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: where they knew that they're gonna have Aaron Donald and
Speaker 1: Von Miller at the field on the field at the
Speaker 1: same time, and the team was gonna have to play
Speaker 1: man and man against them, and there was no way
Speaker 1: that they're gonna stop these guys. Guess what happened. Raheem
Speaker 1: Morris did a hell of a job creating those mismatches
Speaker 1: for those guys. Right the whole first half they were
Speaker 1: double team at Aaron Donald, triple team in Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: bouncing them around like a dog on pinball. Second half,
Speaker 1: Raheem Morris came out as a defensive coordiner and say, ah,
Speaker 1: I figured out if I shipped the line this way,
Speaker 1: now these guys von Miller has one on one with
Speaker 1: the tackle and Aaron Donald has one on one with
Speaker 1: the guard, they can't stop them. I knew that all right.
Speaker 1: I know that that's the personnel that I have that
Speaker 1: is so dominant. This is why we went out and
Speaker 1: got von Miller. What else, Okay, let's go out there.
Speaker 1: Let's get Odell. Okay, Odell Beckham. We know if we
Speaker 1: have When they got O'Dell Beckham, they had all four
Speaker 1: of the receivers. They had Woods, they had a Cup,
Speaker 1: they had Odell, and they had Jefferson. That was their
Speaker 1: game plan, right. Unfortunately Woods went down with the injury, right,
Speaker 1: was gone before the Odell deal. I thought he went down, Say, yeah, yeah, happen.
Speaker 1: It happened. Yeah, it was a quick it was a
Speaker 1: quick yeah. But I think their intention was to have
Speaker 1: all four of those guys, right, So it just worked
Speaker 1: out that O'Dell became their number three and said a
Speaker 1: number four. Whatever, however you want to look at it.
Speaker 1: But either way they had it where there's like Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup is super dominant, that's our guy. Well, we need
Speaker 1: a number two that can't be stopped as well, right,
Speaker 1: So O'Dell's a guy. So there's gonna be a time
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, hopefully the Super Bow Bowl where they
Speaker 1: go out there and they're gonna try to double team
Speaker 1: our main guy and who's gonna have man to man coverage? Odell.
Speaker 1: We've had this conversation too many times. Dallas needs to
Speaker 1: find a way to secure the dog on bag because
Speaker 1: La doesn't give a damn about twenty years down the road.
Speaker 1: That's what Dallas has been doing forever. Dallas has always
Speaker 1: been playing over in the future. You know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be set up a long term for the future, and
Speaker 1: then a Jalen Smith doesn't work out, and then a
Speaker 1: done Terry Poe doesn't worry all these guys don't These
Speaker 1: guys don't work out. Right, If you go out there
Speaker 1: and get guys that are proven dominant players and you
Speaker 1: add them until what you have, you go out there
Speaker 1: and find another dog on Michael Parsons out there that's
Speaker 1: proven already. Right, we talked about you know, OK, you're
Speaker 1: right early in the season. But if you go out
Speaker 1: there and make a crazy trade I can't speak names,
Speaker 1: but you know another dominant linebacker or something like that.
Speaker 1: You add that to part is now what do you have? Now?
Speaker 1: What do you have? Yeah, you're yeah, you might be
Speaker 1: cash strapped, but you're ready cash strapped off off of hope.
Speaker 1: You might as well be cash drap off a ring
Speaker 1: you're giving a look, I'm all over the map on
Speaker 1: this one because because uh, you know, the Rams. Probably
Speaker 1: the Rams might be Okay, I think they're gonna be
Speaker 1: good if they if they keep drafting offensive player of
Speaker 1: the year in the fourth round. I mean, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have the first round pick, but like it is,
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. If Cooper Cup went to another team right now,
Speaker 1: just another Jets, is he gonna be just as good?
Speaker 1: I don't probably be I think decent, But I think
Speaker 1: I think mcveigh's offense I think is it just it's
Speaker 1: a perfect storm for what they're doing. And it's not
Speaker 1: just Stafford because he was doing it before Stafford. But
Speaker 1: but you know, it's kind of like the Cowboys got
Speaker 1: lucky with the fourth round quarterback. I mean, it doesn't
Speaker 1: always happen. So, yeah, if you're not gonna have a
Speaker 1: first pick, it's gonna be tough. But if you're gonna
Speaker 1: if you're gonna steal Super Bowl MVPs in the mid rounds,
Speaker 1: and that's the thing, you use a Cooper Cup and
Speaker 1: the slot receiver. And he's a dominant guy the way
Speaker 1: that he is, and that makes Odell Beckham's job so
Speaker 1: much more easier. That he's been the number one guy,
Speaker 1: he's been used to being the guy that's getting those
Speaker 1: double teams. How much easier is it to be Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald when you have Von Miller sitting out and decide.
Speaker 1: When he was in the Super Bowl before, he wasn't
Speaker 1: as dominant because teams could just tee off on him
Speaker 1: that was all they had. So yeah, they having vun
Speaker 1: make you makes you look a lot better. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: have are in a situation when you talk about the
Speaker 1: defensive line with Tank, with Randy Now, with Michael Parsons,
Speaker 1: you have all of your horses there. If you could
Speaker 1: get those guys signed and individually, I don't see a
Speaker 1: team in the NFC East it's gonna say, oh, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna pay attention to Tank. Oh, we're gonna pay
Speaker 1: attention to Randy Oh, then you're gonna let the rest
Speaker 1: of these guys get off. So you want to do that,
Speaker 1: and the way the Cowboys doing and Will McClay has
Speaker 1: done it by building that through the draft. And I
Speaker 1: think the one thing that this team or any team
Speaker 1: wants to do is to build it through the draft,
Speaker 1: so that way you have longevity and you're not just
Speaker 1: flashing the pan. Do it one time and if you can,
Speaker 1: and you play for the Patriots. So therefore you see
Speaker 1: teams that stick to their mantra best player available, not
Speaker 1: over paying guys. And it's a next man up mentality
Speaker 1: really simply because there is a structure already there through
Speaker 1: the coaching stay. I agree with that point. I think
Speaker 1: the longevity side of things, if you do it the
Speaker 1: right way, can set you up just as much as
Speaker 1: a short all in window. Just pure look at this year,
Speaker 1: if you're looking at on paper the talent from the
Speaker 1: Cowboys roster, is there that much of a drop off
Speaker 1: from the talent of either one of the rosters that
Speaker 1: was in the Super Bowl. No, no, no no, no, not
Speaker 1: at all, not at all. Not this year. Next year
Speaker 1: might be a different story. Different might be a different story.
Speaker 1: Same thing for La La is not gonna be as good.
Speaker 1: Next year. There'll be good. They're gonna probably make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but they're not going to be as good. It's it
Speaker 1: goes back to kind of what Nick saying, the right
Speaker 1: players and the right opportunities so much better, and the
Speaker 1: roster acquisition side of it for the Cowboys has been
Speaker 1: pretty decent. They put themselves in a position that they
Speaker 1: were they were talented, they were healthy, and they had
Speaker 1: a home field advantage, and you still couldn't get the
Speaker 1: job done. That's why didn't like this All this talent
Speaker 1: didn't go and just dominate the field. I mean, they
Speaker 1: needed to make a play against the Bucks or they
Speaker 1: were about to lose the an embarrassing loss. Drop the
Speaker 1: past San Francisty nine ers to work out the the
Speaker 1: same thing. So like I mean, the Cowboys, you could
Speaker 1: say they might have the same kind of talent, maybe
Speaker 1: even more more, but but they haven't proven that they
Speaker 1: can go make a play in that game and then
Speaker 1: the next week and then the next week to do that.
Speaker 1: They might make a play in one of the games,
Speaker 1: and then we would be talking about where the parade's
Speaker 1: going to be a stuff and then they'd lose. And
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they got to be consistently
Speaker 1: able to stay at the top. Where does that start?
Speaker 1: Though it's hard, it's I ask you that question and
Speaker 1: put you on the spot because that's the question that
Speaker 1: everybody is asking right now. Yeah, there's not a real answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this offense isn't as consistent as it needs to be.
Speaker 1: Like this is where it starts. And I said this
Speaker 1: yesterday on one of the our answers. You you gotta
Speaker 1: be great at something, and they're not great at anything,
Speaker 1: really they they don't. You gotta be great at something.
Speaker 1: And if it was turnovers that they didn't, they weren't
Speaker 1: getting it. They didn't get it in the playoffs like
Speaker 1: they needed to. So if it's gonna be pass rushing
Speaker 1: turnovers that you, well, you can be great at that.
Speaker 1: So if that's if that's what it is. But it's
Speaker 1: got to be consistent, consistently great. Um, the offense, I
Speaker 1: mean gotta start fast. I mean you gotta you gotta mean,
Speaker 1: what are we doing on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday? I
Speaker 1: mean why does it take halftime to start preparing? And
Speaker 1: you can do that. If you struggle against the Giants
Speaker 1: and Panthers and even the Patriots, you can fight your
Speaker 1: way back. You struggle against the Cardinals and the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers and Rams and the Rams, you're not going
Speaker 1: to come back. And they didn't. So I think that
Speaker 1: was the key. They didn't start fast in any game.
Speaker 1: They did it fightings. They were able to come back
Speaker 1: at halftime and figure it out. But most of the
Speaker 1: games the good teams, it's too late. That word that
Speaker 1: you kept using, longevity, longevity, it's a good word. Dallas
Speaker 1: needs to get rid of that in their vocabulary just
Speaker 1: saying it because there isn't unfortune, no disrespect the McCarthy,
Speaker 1: But you're not Belichick. You're not Belichick. So you can't
Speaker 1: trust in your system because you don't have that system
Speaker 1: necessarily in place. You don't have the long the long
Speaker 1: standing record in history of being able to put together
Speaker 1: a team with draft through the draft, right, you don't
Speaker 1: have I think McCarthy would agree with you though, that
Speaker 1: you need to get rid of the longevity because he's
Speaker 1: not necessarily long haevity. He doesn't have that. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have that. He's but you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: but like that, that that mindset, he's all, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got to be he's the one that's he's he's probably
Speaker 1: we need to get all these guys. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not because of his making. It's because of everything exactly.
Speaker 1: Come come on us in the mid rounds and it's like,
Speaker 1: well we can get this veteran exact center for this pick.
Speaker 1: And you got all the scouts that are like, no, no,
Speaker 1: we got this guy on the board. We love him.
Speaker 1: He's like, screw that three years yesterday. But I would
Speaker 1: love to see Dallas take that approach. I would love it.
Speaker 1: I would love it because you're in a cash trap
Speaker 1: situation right now. But you're not gonna retain everybody but
Speaker 1: those two teams, obviously LA winning the Super Bowl. Of
Speaker 1: those two teams, which one has the greater upside, the
Speaker 1: greater upside? Yeah, out of those two? Do youn't speak
Speaker 1: to that, Bess, I can't speak today. Most people will
Speaker 1: say Cincinnati. Most people will say Cinnati because these guys,
Speaker 1: because the old line was terrible, because Joe Burrows on
Speaker 1: an up and coming gerar chase all these guys, right,
Speaker 1: But you have to think about it, La, you're in
Speaker 1: LA right, Yes, your first round picks in your draft?
Speaker 1: Does it? It looks pretty? You know meek right now?
Speaker 1: But you have equity. Now, you have a roster full
Speaker 1: of guys that you can trade away. You could trade
Speaker 1: There are gonna be plenty of teams that want those players. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't care how much experience those players have. They
Speaker 1: have a ring, so that's worth something in this league.
Speaker 1: So you could trade those guys away and you can
Speaker 1: get some of that draft equity back. So now you
Speaker 1: may not have the first round picks, but you got
Speaker 1: a bunch of seconds. Either team, you're gonna pick the Rams.
Speaker 1: I'm going with the Rams take the being Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's I'm going with the Rams. Bengals, you got
Speaker 1: you got a franchise quarterback that's established moving forward the line,
Speaker 1: you're feeling really good. I'm going to the Rams. I
Speaker 1: think the I think the Bengals had had a great year,
Speaker 1: but I think the Bengals caught some teams slipping. So
Speaker 1: there's some other teams in that division that are damn good.
Speaker 1: I agree that that that that were that were that
Speaker 1: just that just slipped up this year. And the Buffalo
Speaker 1: is better than now nobody. I can't say they just
Speaker 1: they just prove that they're a better team this year
Speaker 1: in the conference. I'm talking about that conference. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Buffalo. I'm talking about the Patriots are about to
Speaker 1: be a freaking juggernaut here in the second can they
Speaker 1: spend a bunch of money last year, right, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna be prepared for that. I'm talking about the Titans,
Speaker 1: and they got caught slipping. They're hearing was hurt. Right,
Speaker 1: So there's some other teams and that that that Cincinnati
Speaker 1: may not be back in that position again. I hear you, guys,
Speaker 1: and I agree that they have some guys in young
Speaker 1: talent that's up and coming. But I don't think that
Speaker 1: just those those pieces are going to be enough going
Speaker 1: forward to go up against those other dominant teams. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I disagree because their quarterback is cheap right now,
Speaker 1: the running back is cheap, the receiver is that they
Speaker 1: got money to go do that. That they had enough
Speaker 1: money to give Cheeto ten million dollars last year. I
Speaker 1: mean they good job. I mean they're gonna keep doing that.
Speaker 1: I mean that was the fact that he was their
Speaker 1: best corner too. Yeah. Also amazing that position to but
Speaker 1: you so so I agree to that point. But however,
Speaker 1: if you're a player and you have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: go play in a city, because you have to go
Speaker 1: live in that city as well, pay taxes and and
Speaker 1: pay taxes in and that say, yeah, you're gonna pay
Speaker 1: taxes and here're gonna pay taxes in Ohio. Cool. But
Speaker 1: where are you gonna go on naturally? Is that true? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You do. But yeah, you pay taxes on where you
Speaker 1: live and where you play every state that you play,
Speaker 1: and you pay taxes for that particularly you get those
Speaker 1: checks there. So, but most teams are gonna go to
Speaker 1: Most people are gonna go to LA since it's not
Speaker 1: hard to recruit to LA. That's the reason why. That's
Speaker 1: the reason why it was the coach for Oklahoma he
Speaker 1: left and went to LA. He went to the USC.
Speaker 1: It's not hard to recruit him. Okay, but did you
Speaker 1: see the contract that I hear you, but I hear
Speaker 1: you could resources before anything else with you, but that contract,
Speaker 1: many players are gonna say, I want to go and
Speaker 1: play with Joe Burrow. I mean, there's gonna be, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be, there's gonna be a lot, Like a lot
Speaker 1: of guys. I want to go play with him until
Speaker 1: guess what happens until until you got until Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: is like, Yo, yeah, not Burrows, dope, but you see
Speaker 1: what we got over here, until until to the buffalo calls.
Speaker 1: She was like, Hey, yeah, so uh you see what
Speaker 1: we're doing over here too. And the only reason I'm
Speaker 1: saying that is because you're talking about the esthetic of
Speaker 1: the location. Who's one of the that's one of the
Speaker 1: recruiting tools. Ok, that's one of the us. That's one
Speaker 1: of the recruiting tools. Should we be looking for the
Speaker 1: Chargers to take us take a step forward? The Chargers
Speaker 1: knee help the Charges but they but they have a
Speaker 1: may they got a young Yeah, but there are four
Speaker 1: solid there's four solid teams in that division right now
Speaker 1: that that have really good quarterbacks. If I'm I want
Speaker 1: to go to Miami, then that's where I'm going. I
Speaker 1: like that idea. All right, you know where I want
Speaker 1: to go. I want to go to break So let's
Speaker 1: take first. When we come back, I'm sure we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the Hall of Fame and why is
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Speaker 1: so I gotta ask you guys now, I got you,
Speaker 1: okay halftime When I think about halftime, so I love
Speaker 1: it could have been a lot better. Though, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of on that it could have been better. I know
Speaker 1: how because when he played I in my head Tupac
Speaker 1: hologram of Tupac was gonna come up, and that would
Speaker 1: have Boodo roof off the place. That would have set
Speaker 1: it off. I don't understand how you can have a
Speaker 1: West Coast themed halftime show with Dre and not half pot.
Speaker 1: There were tributes of two. I don't give a dog on.
Speaker 1: They have the technology to put Poc out there, but
Speaker 1: then not his rap, not not his his verse and
Speaker 1: which I think I think that rap that second verse
Speaker 1: of that song is the greatest rap lyric of all times.
Speaker 1: That's a bolt. I think it's up there. I liked
Speaker 1: me some pot too. Yeah, I don't bail California. Hey,
Speaker 1: he had I thought it was the best ever. Was
Speaker 1: he was Dollar who hasn't gained weight? I mean, for real,
Speaker 1: the Nick, don't build him out, Nick. He had it.
Speaker 1: He knew he was gonna be in a half. He
Speaker 1: was bulked up. He knew the time show. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: didn't think it was that bad. I thought it was.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good. I thought it was a
Speaker 1: great tribute where the Super Bowl was. Those guys are older, okay,
Speaker 1: but like like that's okay. I mean Lebron James Um,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez, I mean like everybody that you saw me, everyone,
Speaker 1: that's the music that they listened to. I thought it was.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. I thought it was outstanding. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they could have had a baby. The
Speaker 1: biggest thing with no, no, no. He teased me because
Speaker 1: I told him. Why said they're gonna told my wife,
Speaker 1: I said, they're gonna play. Pocket is gonna be there,
Speaker 1: you know how the ground, I said, he's gonna do it.
Speaker 1: And as soon as he that last song, right that
Speaker 1: transition to that last song, when Drake got back on
Speaker 1: the on the keys and they brought the new stage up,
Speaker 1: I said, oh, coming up, comes, here it comes. I was.
Speaker 1: I literally jumped off the couch. I said, I told you,
Speaker 1: I told you, and he remixed it back to him.
Speaker 1: I said, you skipped over pack. It was a tribute
Speaker 1: to Pocket, and then they went back into the song.
Speaker 1: It was fine. I'm saying, probably one of the greatest
Speaker 1: halftime for performances i've seen see I thought it was great.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was all time great. There's
Speaker 1: a difference between Prince something. Prince is certainly Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, say Bruno mars and that was phenomenal. There's
Speaker 1: different performance in nostalgia. I think this one had nostalgia.
Speaker 1: I don't think they had a performance. Yes, that's where
Speaker 1: I'm at that I am all on the nostalgia. Come
Speaker 1: on now, there's a difference three put on the show
Speaker 1: and just being hyped because the songs are amazing, Mary
Speaker 1: Jay Dougie in boots that we're not gonna put these
Speaker 1: guys on the same platform performance wise as a Bruno
Speaker 1: in Beyonce. No, you just can't. Is Michael Jackson as
Speaker 1: a Michael Jackson jumping up the dog on stage. You're
Speaker 1: gonna just totally dismissed Elvis Presley and super Bowl four.
Speaker 1: I wasn't around he he probably didn't. But this debate
Speaker 1: earlier in my facility, we watched all the best Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson blew out the stage. They did a fake
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson on top of the stadium. Oh yeah, at
Speaker 1: the Rosewort something like that. Yeah, they had a fake
Speaker 1: in Michael Jackson out there, so everybody's attentioning up there
Speaker 1: and the next you know, the real mic. Yeah, pop,
Speaker 1: he's still there for two minutes. For two minutes, he
Speaker 1: stood there and you're just they were just waiting on
Speaker 1: the dog superstars and some glasses off and the old
Speaker 1: girl came out there with the man. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing that. It's funny house. Travis Scott gets a law
Speaker 1: super Michael Jackson. People pot passed out all the time.
Speaker 1: What about Janet Jackson halftime? Okay, sorry, do that exactly.
Speaker 1: Let's go in the Hall of Fame. It was the
Speaker 1: cold It's halftime, but you damn it. Credit. I'm glad
Speaker 1: if Nick is my direct boss here, so thanks guys.
Speaker 1: You know I'm West Coast guy. So I was, I
Speaker 1: was vibe and I was saying all of them nostalgia wise,
Speaker 1: awesome performers wise, it's not wasn't a performance. It wasn't
Speaker 1: it's not a performance. I'm I was even saying, like
Speaker 1: went upstairs then downstairs. I mean they just added stairs.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. It was amazing from that regard in
Speaker 1: terms of classics, just bangers, But I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: it's a performance. I would say even like JT not
Speaker 1: these these halftime shows weren't better halftime shows in terms
Speaker 1: of entertainment value, but in terms of performance value, I
Speaker 1: would say JT was up there. The weekend even last
Speaker 1: year was great from a performance standpoint. The last the
Speaker 1: lights now come on, and that was great. I mean,
Speaker 1: he spent five million dollars, like his own money to
Speaker 1: do a selfie, which is still phenomenal. I mean, but no,
Speaker 1: I mean so, I mean like like think about like
Speaker 1: a Maxwell. Maxwell has bangers. Right, I'm gonna go see
Speaker 1: Bruno Mars before I see Maxwell, just because the performance
Speaker 1: side of it. Okay, yeah, okay, there you go. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the Hall of Fame as the NFL class
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two was rained down upon this past weekend,
Speaker 1: and there was one name that we thought was going
Speaker 1: to be a part of that class and ultimately was not,
Speaker 1: and that's the Marcus where Nick, I'll start with you
Speaker 1: just based on the fact that where didn't get in.
Speaker 1: It's not a question of if, it's just when with
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Ware, but why not the first ballot for him?
Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame Committee is trying to change it up.
Speaker 1: They feel like there's too many first ballot guys. They
Speaker 1: want to make the little bit more special, the Peyton Mannings,
Speaker 1: maybe Tom Brady, Drew Brees that they feel like first
Speaker 1: ballots of getting watered down. So it was very clear
Speaker 1: that they weren't going to give it to Demware or
Speaker 1: Andre Johnson or even Devin Hester or whatever. And they
Speaker 1: wanted to use this year to bring in some older
Speaker 1: guys and they congratulations, they did the It's probably the
Speaker 1: weakest Hall of Fame class in the history of Hall
Speaker 1: of Famers. Yeah, do you want to run through it? Tony,
Speaker 1: I don't even know who they are, Tony Baselli, Leroy Butler,
Speaker 1: Sam Mills, Richard Seymour, Bryant Young, Cliff branch Art, McNally,
Speaker 1: Dick vermil Good. Good play years. Yeah, yeah, good guys.
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's I just don't look at
Speaker 1: those guys to be like, yeah, the best Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: That's my opinion. Sorry, what do y'all think? I agree?
Speaker 1: I agree? I mean there wasn't no star studded names.
Speaker 1: Le mean, Seymour stakes six out because he was a
Speaker 1: freaking dominant just that's probably the one name that I
Speaker 1: Richard Seymour should have been a long time ago bad.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think maybe I just didn't see him
Speaker 1: play it as much as and he didn't. He didn't
Speaker 1: stand out to me. Um, why is Darren Woodson not
Speaker 1: in the in And I'm just and I'm just the
Speaker 1: best thing that happened Leroy Butler getting in, it's the
Speaker 1: best thing. Rob. Rob would have told this story if
Speaker 1: he was here. Um, he might have already said it
Speaker 1: when he interviewed Sharene Williams, who's one of the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame voters. Sure, Um, she said that they've got
Speaker 1: liberal Butler's got to get in, Um, because he was
Speaker 1: all decade team and um, Woodson was not, and so
Speaker 1: he's got to get in first, and then it'll little
Speaker 1: trickle down for there, like like this was the best
Speaker 1: thing that happened for Darren Woodson. Yeah, which I you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought when that water got in,
Speaker 1: that would be the next move for Darren Woodson. So
Speaker 1: I mean, look, that was the first domino and Butler's
Speaker 1: the second one, now the third one Woodson either way,
Speaker 1: I mean I just swnching John Lynch. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: And he's been up there a while. I don't remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And so, um, d Ware getting the
Speaker 1: whole first ballot thing, and that's a that's an argument
Speaker 1: that people go back and forth with about pinions opinions
Speaker 1: of d Ware's game. And I didn't think first ballot
Speaker 1: to me is you're you're you were that dude that
Speaker 1: like trans changed the game. Um, and like you said,
Speaker 1: it's with it becoming a little bit more water down
Speaker 1: with guys getting in that you would say, oh, there,
Speaker 1: they were all right, they were good during the time. Um,
Speaker 1: look is he is the Marcus Ware Hall of Famer?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, first ballot? I mean, well, based off of that,
Speaker 1: then then I mean you think he's not the best
Speaker 1: pass rusher of all time, and Andre Johnson certainly isn't.
Speaker 1: But that being said, Devin Hester should have gone in. Then. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was the best kick returner. He changed the position. Man,
Speaker 1: he scared the crap out of everybody when you tried
Speaker 1: to you know, you just didn't kick it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're the best at your position, the greatest, your
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee to I thought was awesome, y'all sere it
Speaker 1: liked before the game they were not gonna kick all week.
Speaker 1: And then the team chaplain came up before the like
Speaker 1: the night before and was just like, you can't be
Speaker 1: afraid of anything, the moment and all that, and he
Speaker 1: went to the team He's like, you know what, forget that,
Speaker 1: we're kicking it. We're kicking it right to him. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go down, We're gonna tackle him. And they lost
Speaker 1: the toss, kicked it off to the house, right. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like, Okay, don't do that again. Great book,
Speaker 1: by the way, but that's one of the first stories
Speaker 1: that he told seven. You were you were there No.
Speaker 1: Seven at Chicago. I think it was like week three. Uh.
Speaker 1: Bruce Reid might have been the special team's coach, Bruce
Speaker 1: and he was he was. He was like, they kicked it,
Speaker 1: we're gonna kick it away. Well, I went like hit
Speaker 1: a cheerleader of the kickoffs. So they got it at
Speaker 1: the forty he tried to get it. I remember Keith
Speaker 1: Davis actually came over and said kick it down the middle.
Speaker 1: We'll tackle him, and I believe they forced a fumble.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but but not many people did that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yea did some dogs he was awesome. I said, we
Speaker 1: had some dogs. One of the things about the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, though, is can you tell the story of
Speaker 1: the NFL with that, like with or without these pete players?
Speaker 1: And I can't do that without Devin Hester? Why because
Speaker 1: because how how big is the story? It's a story.
Speaker 1: You know you've seen one, right, I just think it's
Speaker 1: always can you tell the story? Like how much time
Speaker 1: do I have? You know? Is it like, oh, pudge
Speaker 1: half a finger came in and really probably came in there,
Speaker 1: and then they they kicked it off, and then there
Speaker 1: was a banning and his brother and then I'll, you know,
Speaker 1: stick him on the helmet and games over order. I get.
Speaker 1: Do I get a long story? That? I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you get a long one? No? No,
Speaker 1: he was. He was, So was DeMarcus Ware and so
Speaker 1: was Matthew Stafford this past year. So there's been Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame talk about him because of the statistics. Oh,
Speaker 1: let me get there. I promise there's a there's a
Speaker 1: reason behind this. Because of the statistics, he's top five
Speaker 1: in terms of passing yards per game. He's top dozen
Speaker 1: in all time passing yards and completions and passing touchdowns
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. But he only has
Speaker 1: the one Pro Bowl and now he has a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl title. So there's been Hall of Fame talk thrown
Speaker 1: out there and it's been absolutely shot down by pretty
Speaker 1: much everybody to this point. So I want to give
Speaker 1: you guys the opportunity to do the same thing because
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a Hall of Fame worthy career
Speaker 1: at the moment. Doesn't mean that can change, could always change.
Speaker 1: But right now, is Matthew Stafford a Hall of Famer? No?
Speaker 1: Not to me, he were to retire right this, No,
Speaker 1: he's not. He wasn't. He wasn't ever considered the best
Speaker 1: of his era. And at all they won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And if he wins two Super Bowls, that changes the
Speaker 1: conversation a little bit. I don't think there's any quarterback
Speaker 1: that's won two that's not in. Yeah, I don't believe.
Speaker 1: But there's guys that have won one that aren't in,
Speaker 1: that aren't in there. And I just don't think he
Speaker 1: was ever considered the best. But you don't think run
Speaker 1: it back and they do it again, maybe maybe we'll
Speaker 1: have to stop. Yeah, I can't see him being a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer currently. Yeah. Man, the argument about Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame or not, it's really one that gives me
Speaker 1: the willies because I think, you know, all of these
Speaker 1: guys played for that glory, and you hear so many
Speaker 1: of them all talked about Chris Carter saying that I
Speaker 1: would trade this jacket in the heartbeat for a super
Speaker 1: Bowl ring. And so I think for Matthew Stafford getting
Speaker 1: to the point where he's won a super Bowl ring
Speaker 1: and that being the crown like the cherry on top,
Speaker 1: would be to be a Hall of Famer. Let's not forget, man,
Speaker 1: all the years that he played with Megatron and those
Speaker 1: numbers that he put up. But I agree with you
Speaker 1: Nick when you say he was never considered to be
Speaker 1: that guy of his error. He came close, but not
Speaker 1: no one looked and said, no, matt is that guy.
Speaker 1: And then even with those bad years in Detroit when
Speaker 1: there was no Megatron, he just suffered through through those
Speaker 1: years and tried to elevate the team and he couldn't.
Speaker 1: I've always thought of Masts Stafford, even this year. I
Speaker 1: think he had to shake off some of those bad
Speaker 1: habits that he had in Detroit. But this is hard
Speaker 1: for a guy to play on the team with an
Speaker 1: organization that was that bad for that long to you
Speaker 1: yourself not become trash. And it's just his arm elevated him.
Speaker 1: And you saw some of the mistakes that he would
Speaker 1: make in the playoffs, and I thought that those are
Speaker 1: all buy products of those years that he had in Detroit.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to argue whether he's a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer or not. I just feel as though he
Speaker 1: was a guy that raised raised his level of play
Speaker 1: at this moment, especially with someone going into the playoffs
Speaker 1: and everybody's saying, oh, he's never even won a playoff game,
Speaker 1: and well, he just marched his way all the way
Speaker 1: through all of that won himself before. Yeah, you going on,
Speaker 1: he's got four. Now he's got a super Bowl to boot. So,
Speaker 1: like you said, if he does it again, I think
Speaker 1: then the question then they'll start saying, all right, well
Speaker 1: let's start considering. But right now all the nay sales
Speaker 1: and everybody's basis is basing it on statistics. Say now,
Speaker 1: why does everybody have so many question marks around Eli?
Speaker 1: There's no question or I think that's dumb. If you
Speaker 1: have a question though, too, I think it's dumb too.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people feel that way. A lot
Speaker 1: of people is right here walking by the studio at
Speaker 1: the mont Well. I don't think he ever was the
Speaker 1: guy that carried the team to the to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't what they were great at that
Speaker 1: they didn't. I mean, he's the quarterback of the team.
Speaker 1: They didn't. I mean, he wasn't. Like, that's not why
Speaker 1: they won. That's not why they beat the Patriots because
Speaker 1: of him, straight hand? Are you looking at me like that?
Speaker 1: Like act like the defense didn't didn't mean that those
Speaker 1: seventeen pass rushers that they had. Yeah, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be has press of your team that are stronger
Speaker 1: than the others. But you still, dude, had to catch
Speaker 1: the ball is helmet. You still have the score pikes.
Speaker 1: I'm putting them in the Hall of Fame. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's think you're just being a devil's advocate. I'm
Speaker 1: saying that that's why. But he's, Yeah, he's gonna go
Speaker 1: when the Hall of Fame has got a lot of stats.
Speaker 1: He did it for a long time for a guy
Speaker 1: that wasn't really a great athlete. No one ever sacked him. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was just the kid brother with a weird look
Speaker 1: on his face all the time. But but like he
Speaker 1: first to get in, he deserves to get in. But
Speaker 1: that's the reason why kid brother with a weird look
Speaker 1: on his face. That's see why that's gonna be on
Speaker 1: his busts and Eli Manning and that'll be it on
Speaker 1: the bottom. I love watching that show though. By the way,
Speaker 1: with when the Money Night broughtcast just for like four
Speaker 1: years now, four years, good luny money. I'm surprised to
Speaker 1: see them Reupta. Somebody's gonna recreate because a Rod's on there.
Speaker 1: Luck with that, that's not the same. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: you know. And also you got to have like a
Speaker 1: sister station where you can do that, dude. Because of
Speaker 1: the billions of dollars that those TV rights are, ESPN's like,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll do them too, We'll take it from here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: watch him flip next year. Oh, Monday Night actual broadcast
Speaker 1: will be on ESPN two. It depends on the numbers.
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Speaker 1: do morelore. What should have told her? We didn't. We
Speaker 1: didn't give her a warning. That's on us jasmen doing
Speaker 1: a great job running the show in the back face
Speaker 1: though Nick Eatman filling in was that was a blue steal.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch that crappy show. Whoa Lander? Yeah? One
Speaker 1: and two? No, I didn't see the second one and
Speaker 1: second one wasn't great. I'm sure, Isaiah stand back. Nick Eatman,
Speaker 1: heck my Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad you're with us
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys presented by toe Stidos. Which second one is great?
Speaker 1: The Anchorman two's phenomenal. Sing two, Sing two was great,
Speaker 1: Rocky two was good. Rocky two was great. What's your
Speaker 1: favorite comedy just movie? Period man? Number one? I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear number one through three? Whatever one? Did
Speaker 1: you stop shooting it? Clack? I don't know. Off the
Speaker 1: top of my head, I really don't have Talladega Knights
Speaker 1: is pomenal, the best quotable movie. It's it's so funny,
Speaker 1: so funny. Other guys wedding crashers, Oh that is a
Speaker 1: good one. That's my fiance's favorite. But but you're talking
Speaker 1: about one liner movies coming to America. It was a
Speaker 1: great one too. I mean there's a I am a
Speaker 1: huge coming to America fan. I can't stand behind it
Speaker 1: and say that it has more one liners than Tella
Speaker 1: Dagan Knights tell a Dago Knights has all that knife
Speaker 1: in yours. I don't like that movie, what tag Knights?
Speaker 1: I didn't, And you would think I would. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: like Nascar, Nascar, and I just now that wouldn't nothing.
Speaker 1: Maybe you just take it too serious because of the
Speaker 1: Nascar connection. Maybe that might be the case. I'm telling.
Speaker 1: So my favorite movies Major Paint, isn't it? How do
Speaker 1: you rate that one? I'm probably top five of the
Speaker 1: worst ever. No, I don't know. Did you see that check?
Speaker 1: I say, his face? Did you see that? Oh? I
Speaker 1: say no, I don't know if I've ever seen it.
Speaker 1: You've never seen me. But I wish you at a
Speaker 1: video store, so I put it. You can go back
Speaker 1: to Blockbuster and watch Major Pain. I didn't work there,
Speaker 1: but it's red boxing something. Major Pain is a coming
Speaker 1: in there. How about that? That's your homework? Name, that's
Speaker 1: your that's your homework, all right? Mate, I've seen it.
Speaker 1: I've seen it. I've seen it. I think i've seen it.
Speaker 1: What is your humors? Now? Then, what's your what's your
Speaker 1: what's your thing? I just told you like anything with
Speaker 1: Vince Vaughan like, that's probably gonna be my thing. That's
Speaker 1: a good one, all right. I like your sarcastic humor. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanna come back, come come. I'm never gonna forget
Speaker 1: Isaiah's look on his face there really whatever I said
Speaker 1: that guy, major pain is great. Oh the breakup is
Speaker 1: but you just what you just quote? Did I do that?
Speaker 1: For real? That my history month? Have you guys ever
Speaker 1: seen Harlem Knights? No? Uh no, I watch it is
Speaker 1: it is a it's an African America watching city. You
Speaker 1: can't be of the African American culture if you've never
Speaker 1: seen Harlem Knights. What about Life that too? You thought
Speaker 1: that was in there Friday. There's a couple of there's
Speaker 1: a couple of movies that just are just mandated that
Speaker 1: you have to watch, have to watch if you have
Speaker 1: a birth right. You take that back right now. I've
Speaker 1: never seen it. I'm sorry. We're gonna have a watch
Speaker 1: party talking cowboys. It's actually turned into talking Hollywood here
Speaker 1: over the last couple of minutes. But yeah, and in
Speaker 1: the staff newsletter break yeah, you quoted the breakup. Wow,
Speaker 1: really great job. I watch you watched way too many
Speaker 1: of those things. It is Valentine's Weekend, Steel Vaughan and
Speaker 1: Rachel from Friends in it. I mean, that's that's just
Speaker 1: forget Jennifer and name. But watch Friends. Yeah, Friends is hilarious.
Speaker 1: You don't watch that. He also watched marsh as I
Speaker 1: got to Friends with Seinfeld. That's not the same, not
Speaker 1: even I'm just telling that's the closest. I basically what
Speaker 1: we did right here, it is thirty minutes of error,
Speaker 1: like nothing kind of what we've done. We're just talking
Speaker 1: about Wow. Oh you know what I love about those
Speaker 1: shows though, Like even like would be Friends, the Office, whatever,
Speaker 1: Like those shows are not that old. I mean they're
Speaker 1: ten fifteen years ago. They couldn't make those shows. No
Speaker 1: sensitivity levels. Yeah you're like what Nope. I was watching
Speaker 1: it live in color with my kids last week cause
Speaker 1: they needed they just needed to get cultured a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just too sensitive out here, too sensitive. Everybody gets
Speaker 1: on the side off from my wife a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I was like, they need this, they need it,
Speaker 1: they need this, and sound bombing fluid. Firstshaille, First you
Speaker 1: take away the Valentine's cards, and now you make them
Speaker 1: watch it. Yeah, don't work, right man, toumping up these
Speaker 1: Here's this a sensitive world we live in nowadays. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest. It was an NFL or sensitive. Yeah, everything
Speaker 1: seems sensitive. Everything. Since he can't grab a receiver, everybody's
Speaker 1: going over the middle, Pro Bowl in hand checking basketball,
Speaker 1: it's a flag on the fine. Thanks Valentine's, they get
Speaker 1: your son. I got him. I got him a bag
Speaker 1: of sour patch kids. There you go. That was it.
Speaker 1: There you go, that's pretty solid Salentine's. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: I hit him in a chest with it too. All Right,
Speaker 1: some NFL offseason dates that we need to kind of
Speaker 1: keep in mind moving forward. March eighth is the tag deadline.
Speaker 1: So up until that point, of course, Cowboys will have
Speaker 1: a decision to make on who they would tag. Anybody
Speaker 1: off the top that you would potentially put in that category.
Speaker 1: I'm tagging anybody this year? I don't think so either.
Speaker 1: I don't. The only one that would be close would
Speaker 1: be Randy. But that's a lot of money for Randy,
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking probably not right. So tag deadline there.
Speaker 1: Negotiations can begin on March fourteenth at noon. What's up, Anger?
Speaker 1: I was just about to say that. Utter, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: about the only one. I was just about to say, Anger,
Speaker 1: But I I got scolded last time I brought his
Speaker 1: name up here. Who's who's the sculp in here? It
Speaker 1: was it was the top three people to bring back.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I actually, I think I'm
Speaker 1: the one that I don't think you have to I
Speaker 1: don't think you have to franchise him, though. I think
Speaker 1: you give Bones a two year extension or something like that,
Speaker 1: he'll be there. He's been great, He's been great. What's
Speaker 1: the problem with the problem with I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with Bones at all. Give him a little a
Speaker 1: little tumm and cheek. It's just because I called you
Speaker 1: the scolder at all at anywhere. I think Anger sees
Speaker 1: that with him, you know, just he's done enough fakes
Speaker 1: fake punts that whoever the punter is here is going
Speaker 1: to be golden because they don't block. Everyone is scared
Speaker 1: about the fake punt. I mean, the former especially coach here,
Speaker 1: told me that he was like every time he played Fossil.
Speaker 1: You don't even worry about the gunners. You were you're
Speaker 1: looking at the fake. Well they only do it one
Speaker 1: percent of the time. If that so, then the guy
Speaker 1: gets a free punt, it's up in the air. It's
Speaker 1: a five second hang time. No net. You're setting net
Speaker 1: records all the time. The punter here is very good
Speaker 1: because of the fact that Fossils put it out there
Speaker 1: as a reputation. It's amazing. It's a really good point.
Speaker 1: It's actually a super solid point. I've never even thought
Speaker 1: of it that way. So we could give rid of
Speaker 1: anger and bringing somebody else. Yeah, let's get yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: let's not pay to it. Then teammate to the size
Speaker 1: uh fair too, I mean you could, you could take
Speaker 1: that aspect of it. So back to the dates. March fourteenth,
Speaker 1: negotiations can begin two potential free agents or open free
Speaker 1: agents that are unrestricted. March sixteenth is the official league
Speaker 1: year starting over, and that's where free agency officially begins.
Speaker 1: Twenty seventh is where the league meetings take place in Florida.
Speaker 1: April fourth, new head coaches can start their off season,
Speaker 1: but the off season begins for teams with returning head
Speaker 1: coaches on April eighteenth, and then draft visits begin two
Speaker 1: days after that. Back the draft visits. I've been here
Speaker 1: for three years now, this would this would be our
Speaker 1: I'm going into what will be my fourth season. I've
Speaker 1: never seen a draft visit take place in person because
Speaker 1: of COVID. So the fact that they're actually happening this
Speaker 1: year and then plan is moving forward like that, it's
Speaker 1: a It's a good sign. What's the first day of
Speaker 1: free to see? March sixteenth? March sixteenth is the first
Speaker 1: day of official free agency. Of course you'll hear the
Speaker 1: reports all the way up until that point. The fan
Speaker 1: base is gonna get pissed off March sixteenth. Yep, that's
Speaker 1: what They're gonna go crazy. March eighteenth. We're winning the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, for sure. I don't know about that. I'm
Speaker 1: just maybe not this year. I mean, fans just gonna
Speaker 1: be mad because they're gonna they're gonna see the guys
Speaker 1: go out the door and they're gonna get Dorn's armstrong.
Speaker 1: I'd be happy about it. Yeah, if that. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like I don't know who it's gonna be, but like
Speaker 1: it's always like Dary and Thompson that just resigns like
Speaker 1: a one year deal and it's just that just pisses off.
Speaker 1: Everybody's super sarcastic on twelve. Yeah we got him big
Speaker 1: deal of the summer. Yeah, yeah, that's a big one.
Speaker 1: That's how it is, That's how it works every single year.
Speaker 1: But we'll of course keep you updated throughout here on
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. But that does it for us today. Nick
Speaker 1: thinks so much for filling in, filling the hot seat
Speaker 1: of of Rob Phillips. And we'll have Rob back soon.
Speaker 1: Heck ma Harrison for Isaiah, stand back for Jasmine and
Speaker 1: the back things greatly. Today, I'm Cale Yeoman saying so
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