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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal coll that for me, I'm

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the solid burb of boys and girls.

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Speaker 2: My name is Ty Hilden Brandon, joining me as always

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Speaker 2: over there in beautiful New York City. The one and

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Speaker 2: only Dan Rubinstein, who graciously pinch hit for me last year. No,

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Speaker 2: who graciously pinch hit for me last week as I

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, youth only sound like you have a

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Speaker 2: Right, well, that's sort of the beauty of modern audio

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Speaker 2: editing equipment. Dan, let's just leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how are you? I'm terrific, Ty, I am great.

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Speaker 1: We haven't spoken since the day after the LSU National

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Speaker 1: But I've missed talking to you. We have an exercise

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Speaker 2: So you're saying a good old fashioned surprise.

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Speaker 1: Ty, when your temperature is ninety eight point six and

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the ACC. So I want to read

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Speaker 2: These are my notes for Batim. How much do you

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Speaker 2: We've got Jaron Williams. He mentioned I think the promise

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Speaker 1: Pleasant surprise, but rtt lashly you know, yeah, some success

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Speaker 2: Well, you kind of touched on two of my pleasant surprises. Okay,

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Speaker 2: The other team that I throw out there, and they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised watching my guy, Michael Cunningham, thinking

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Speaker 2: Where are we going next? By the way, Florida State's

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Speaker 1: But is that a surprise the way that they looked late,

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised they didn't improve. I'm surprised they fired Willie

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Speaker 2: It did not feel like they improved.

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Speaker 2: Let's go over to the SEC. Okay, what do you

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Speaker 1: Gosh, So, Kentucky is my pleasant surprise that they lose

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Speaker 2: for sure. Twenty five touchdowns, seven interceptions, threw for two

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty five point one yards per game. And

437
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: by the way, that was sort of on a whim.

438
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Speaker 2: The way that Dan Mullen reconstructed that offense after his

439
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: starter went down, I thought was really admirable. And I'm

440
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Speaker 2: not surprised that Florida would have a good season. I

441
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Speaker 2: think we saw that coming. But I'm just pleasantly surprised

442
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: in a manner that Dan Mullen was able to cobble it.

443
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Speaker 2: All together on the fly, make Kyle Trask look really good,

444
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: arguably like the second best quarterback. No, that's a little

445
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: bit too generous. Maybe the third best quarterback in the

446
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Speaker 2: SEC and obviously put together a really good year for Florida.

447
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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: The other topic that I would posit here, Okay, I'm

449
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: ready is Mississippi State.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have that down here.

451
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Speaker 2: Mississippi State. Mississippi State, I think caught us both by surprise.

452
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Speaker 2: We were really high on Joe Moorehead when he was

453
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Speaker 2: hired at Mississippi State.

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Speaker 1: Let the record show. I still am yep, that's fair.

455
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Speaker 2: Yeah, continue, it did not work out, he was let go.

456
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Speaker 2: They're obviously going in a much much different direction now

457
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Speaker 2: with Mike Leach. But where do you want to start

458
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Speaker 2: with Mississippi State.

459
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Speaker 1: So I underestimated, or I suppose overestimated, the defensive issues

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Speaker 1: that they would have losing what they did up the

461
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Speaker 1: middle on all three levels and really upfront on the

462
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Speaker 1: defensive line. After the twenty eighteen season, I thought they'd

463
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Speaker 1: be fine. I like Bob shop as a defensive coordinator.

464
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: I liked that the depth that they were able to

465
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Speaker 1: acquire under Dan Mullen and the early part of Joe

466
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Speaker 1: Morehead's tenure in Starkville. I figured that their offense would

467
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Speaker 1: improve with what I assumed would be more of a

468
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Speaker 1: throwing threat than what they'd had the past few years.

469
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Speaker 1: And I was wrong. I was definitely wrong. There were

470
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Speaker 1: issues at receiver with drops. The one bright spot is

471
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Speaker 1: Kylon Hill, but he couldn't do everything. He had a

472
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Speaker 1: terrific season and did as much as he possibly could

473
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Speaker 1: within the offense. I was surprised that even if a

474
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Speaker 1: step back from twenty eighteen was to be expected, with

475
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Speaker 1: how talented that defense was, I was surprised that offensively,

476
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Speaker 1: And yes, I know it's Tommy Stevens, it's Garrett Schrader,

477
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: a freshman quarterback. I understand the issues and the lumps

478
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Speaker 1: that either were going to take if thrown into the fire,

479
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Speaker 1: but I just figured it would be schemed around and

480
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: they lost to good teams. I have the schedule in

481
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Speaker 1: front of me. It's not like Mississippi State other than

482
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Speaker 1: Tennessee Tennessee. You can make the case, and I know

483
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Speaker 1: it was. I believe it was. In Knoxville. State had opportunities.

484
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: They looked ugly in games, they looked lost in games

485
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: they should have beaten Kansas State at home, and to

486
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: lose to Tennessee the way that they did the manner

487
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: is the biggest surprise. You know, losing to this year's

488
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Speaker 1: Alabama team by thirty, Okay, that happens, obviously, the ugliness

489
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: with the bowl game against Louisville is not any way

490
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Speaker 1: to finish out a season. It's certainly not a ten

491
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Speaker 1: year for Joe moorehead. I was I think I was

492
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Speaker 1: expecting more and I was wrong.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about Missouri if we could.

494
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Speaker 2: Let's yeah, that's a pretty enormous surprise. Missouri went six

495
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Speaker 2: and six this season. Missouri was bad. Yeah, bad down

496
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Speaker 2: the stretch. You could argue bad from the game go.

497
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Speaker 2: Losing opening weekend on the road at Wyoming. Not a

498
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 2: bad team in Wyoming, but not a team that missoo

499
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Speaker 2: sho should have lost to. They started their year five

500
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Speaker 2: and one, won five in a row. After that, Wyoming

501
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: seemingly got things back on track. Then they lose consecutively

502
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: on the road at Vandy, on the road at Kentucky,

503
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Speaker 2: on the road at Georgia, home against Florida, and home

504
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Speaker 2: against Tennessee before eventually winning their sixth game on the

505
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Speaker 2: road at Arkansas. One of the things that we like

506
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Speaker 2: to look at is Bill Connolly's sp plus, and one

507
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: of the measurements that he gives on a game by

508
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Speaker 2: game basis is something he calls postgame win expectancy. Postgame

509
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: win expectancy looks at your efficiency in game and then

510
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: grades out based on that how likely you would have

511
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: been or not been to win a football game. Right,

512
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Speaker 2: the Kentucky game zero percent. Yeah, the Georgia game zero percent,

513
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: the Florida game one percent. The Tennessee game they only

514
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Speaker 2: lost that by four four percent. So what that's telling

515
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: you is in the games when they didn't get blown out,

516
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Speaker 2: mainly that Tennessee game, which they lost by four, they

517
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Speaker 2: definitely did not play well enough to be within four

518
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Speaker 2: points of Tennessee. By Bill's measure, they only played well

519
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Speaker 2: enough to be within fourteen points of Tennessee. I'm not

520
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: even going to talk about the Kentucky, Georgia, and Florida games.

521
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: All of those were blowouts. So this is a team

522
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Speaker 2: that did not put its best foot forward. We had

523
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Speaker 2: talked in the preseason about hey, watch out first week

524
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Speaker 2: in November squaring off against Georgia on the road, Maybe

525
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: they'll be unbeaten. No boy, no, Dan, this was not

526
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Speaker 2: a good football team.

527
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw. But Bill Connolly obviously

528
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: who're speaking of, and Miszoo fan, longtime Mizoo fan, posted

529
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Speaker 1: a graph of the percentile performance of MISSOO so essentially

530
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Speaker 1: and I'll probably get this wrong, but what their ceiling

531
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: is and how close they got to their ceiling given

532
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Speaker 1: their advanced metrics whatever, that's somewhere in the range of it.

533
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Speaker 1: And he posted the graph and basically said, by looking

534
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: at this, you'd have thought that after I don't know

535
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: what the old Miss game or something like that, you'd

536
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: have thought all of their players got hurt. Yeah, all

537
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: of their players got abducted, all of their starters all

538
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: took a deeply aggressive jacuzzi in the wrong dup, something

539
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: that infected the entire depth chart, because they really they

540
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: did fall off a cliff. And this was a team

541
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Speaker 1: with a blessed schedule tie going into the season, getting

542
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Speaker 1: West Virginia with a first year coach at home, having

543
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Speaker 1: their road games in the East be Vandy, Kentucky, Georgia,

544
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Speaker 1: and then a road split with the West at Arkansas.

545
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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful, beautiful thing. I think they also had, Yeah,

546
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Speaker 1: they had Old Miss from the West. So this was

547
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: a per fixed ten in two season with I don't know, competence,

548
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: and it ends with disaster and they fire their coach. Unbelievable. Unbelievable,

549
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: And I mean with Larry Rowntree, with Big Albert Oh

550
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: with we weren't super high on Kelly Bryant but still

551
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: led a team, a very talented team to the playoff,

552
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: and he had injury issues. Cale Garrett was a star

553
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: on that defense. He goes down, so they're affected by

554
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: any number of things. But really, I know they were

555
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Speaker 1: not allowed in the postseason. But to go six and

556
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Speaker 1: six with that schedule, where do you want to go? Okay,

557
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: let's go to the Big twelve.

558
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Speaker 2: Big twelve is the center square Texas.

559
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Speaker 1: Here as the unfortunate surprise. Yes I've lumped Texas in

560
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Speaker 1: with and I talked about this a little bit the

561
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Speaker 1: Pac twelve. I have an unfortunate surprise being no middle

562
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Speaker 1: class of a sort of entertainment value, which we always

563
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Speaker 1: seem to have with the Big twelve. Good year, bad year.

564
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: It always seems to be like, well, something weird is

565
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: going to happen in TCU Iowa State, Well, something weird.

566
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Speaker 1: It's going to happen with West Virginia, Texas Tech, And

567
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: yes there was. There were definitely weird moments. There were

568
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: definitely fun players, individual players, be it Chewba Hubbard, be

569
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Speaker 1: it Brock Purty, Jalen Rager, whatever. But to have nobody

570
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Speaker 1: string together and entertaining September through December, I suppose other

571
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: than Oklahoma and Baylor, but those are not middle class teams.

572
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: That was a bummer. That was a pretty significant bummer.

573
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Speaker 1: I figured that a number of teams, even though there

574
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Speaker 1: were a number of new coaches and Matt Wells, Neil Brown,

575
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Speaker 1: Chris Climb and Les Miles, just an unfun middle class

576
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Speaker 1: was something I was not expecting. Was pretty bummed out by.

577
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Speaker 2: Kansas State is a team that I think we should

578
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Speaker 2: talk about. You mentioned the new coach, Chris Clemon, comes

579
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Speaker 2: over from North Dakota State, had a previous stint working

580
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Speaker 2: with the now athletic director at KNA the state, and

581
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if we knew what to expect.

582
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Speaker 2: It was a question of personnel before the year, personnel

583
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Speaker 2: at quarterback, personnel across the board. What are they going

584
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: to do to try and fill some of these gaps

585
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Speaker 2: or take a step forward. They ended up being very

586
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: Kansas State in the end. This was a good football team.

587
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: They obviously took down Oklahoma during the year, finished with

588
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Speaker 2: an eight and four regular season record, lost to Navy

589
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Speaker 2: in the bowl game. This is a team that I

590
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: don't know that they did anything spectacularly well, but they

591
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: were decidedly above average.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I did not like watching Kansas State all that much.

593
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: I didn't say like watching yeah, but no, I mean,

594
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: there's definitely a lot to be encouraged by. But yeah,

595
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Speaker 1: I'm speaking strictly from an entertainment standpoint. Other than the

596
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma game, I didn't. I didn't love watching a lot

597
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Speaker 1: of the middle class in this conference.

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Speaker 2: What about Kansas Were you surprised at all by the

599
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: Jayhawks given the fact that they brought in less Miles

600
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Speaker 2: and less Miles was a fun talking point right before

601
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Speaker 2: the season started, because of course, the mad Hatter and

602
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Speaker 2: the grass seating and his flowery personality. But Kansas won

603
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Speaker 2: a couple games. Kansas was plucky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it seemed a lot more encouraging after

605
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Speaker 1: they went at Boston College. Is that a Friday night

606
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Speaker 1: where they went into BC and ran all the hell

607
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Speaker 1: over them. Oh right, yep, yep, and then they keep

608
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Speaker 1: a close against West Virginia. They have the shootout loss

609
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Speaker 1: against Texas. That was really that was one of the

610
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Speaker 1: more fun moments obviously, that just game in general, the

611
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Speaker 1: ending of the Texas Tech game was very strange. It

612
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: felt like as good as you could hope for from

613
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Speaker 1: year one for less Miles, I wouldn't go as far

614
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Speaker 1: as saying I'm encouraged that there was going to be

615
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Speaker 1: consistent growth in Lawrence, but I don't know how other

616
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Speaker 1: than the the offensive showings, I would say, yeah, pleasant surprise.

617
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Speaker 1: I mean, the offensive showings have led to it becoming

618
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Speaker 1: a pleasant surprise for me. Yeah. Sure.

619
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Speaker 2: The other team that I'll throw out here very quickly

620
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Speaker 2: and then we'll move on TCU. I am never going

621
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 2: to talk about TCU again.

622
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Speaker 1: Off watch.

623
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Speaker 2: I'm never going to talk about TCU again. I miss

624
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: every year they missed a bowl game. They were five

625
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: and seven this season. That's off of a seven and

626
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: six season with the Bowl win, the legendary cheese At

627
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: Bowl win over Cow. Yeah. I just can't predict this team.

628
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: I think Max Duggan gave reason for optimism as we

629
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: move forward, BEng quarterback. Maybe right, I'm looking for bright

630
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 2: spots here because you know my saw spot for TCU.

631
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: But five and seven, five to seven is not something

632
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 2: I had on the radar.

633
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Speaker 1: It's very strange that TCU does not win nine games

634
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: every year exclusively, especially with what the Big twelve looks

635
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: like right now, That to me is just incredibly strange.

636
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: Anything else in the Big twelve. Oh Baylor, what about Baylor?

637
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: Baylor's my surprise in a pleasant way for Baylor, and

638
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: I know certainly the outlook is different, could be better,

639
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: could be worse, whatever under Dave Randa. But for Matt

640
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: Rule to do what he did in Waco, especially with

641
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: Phil what Phil Snow who has worked with Matt Rule

642
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: for a number of years. Now, we have the snow

643
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: is snow alert snow alert. Yeah, yeah, we have the

644
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: snow alert. But I guess we can't really no advisor,

645
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: no advisor, excuse me. What Baylor did this year was exemplary,

646
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: especially that defense. The offense wasn't a great watch, but

647
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: generally did enough save for the second half of the

648
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: Oklahoma game or games. Yeah, for what they're able to

649
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Speaker 1: do to take advantage of a down conference, which is

650
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Speaker 1: what good teams do to build out over those three

651
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Speaker 1: years under Matt rule. How can you not be impressed

652
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: with what the Bears look like most of the year.

653
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: For sure? For sure, this is a team that finished

654
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: eleven and three. Obviously, lost in that Sugar Bowl to

655
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,479
Speaker 2: Georgia and made it to the Big Twelve Championship, lost

656
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: by I think it was three in the end to Oklahoma.

657
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: But defense, you're right to call out the defense because.

658
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: James Lynch tied James Damn Lynch. Yeah.

659
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: Entering the season, the problem was playmaking on defense. They

660
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: didn't force a lot of turnovers all year. Last year

661
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: they allowed twenty five touchdowns of thirty or more yards

662
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 2: and eighteen touchdowns of forty or more yards. They were

663
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: killed by big plays the year prior. So what did

664
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: they do this year? Well, first things first, they came

665
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: out and they improved their HAVOC rate, which is a

666
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: number that you and I love to call out, but

667
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: basically number of plays behind the line of scrimmage and

668
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: defensive line linebacker all on the front seven. They were

669
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: very very good.

670
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: Tackles for loss, forcing turnovers stuff, right, yeah, yeah, stuff

671
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: like that.

672
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: And in terms of allowing big plays. Again, as we

673
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: look at this from an SP plus standpoint, very good

674
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: both as a passing defense and rushing defense in big

675
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: plays allowed, marginal explosiveness is way way down. I think

676
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: they did a good job on that front. So what

677
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: Matt Rule was able to put together, what Phil Snow

678
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: was able to put together along that defensive side of

679
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: the ball was really impressive. It was the engine that

680
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: drove this team. I'm sure Baylor fans are screaming for

681
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: a little bit more consistency on offense, and I know

682
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: Charlie Brewer got nicked up a little bit down the stretch,

683
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: which didn't do them any favors, right, but nonetheless a

684
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: hell of a year for Baylor. I remember talking in

685
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: that preseason show where we previewed the Baylor Bears, and

686
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: I had gone out to a Baylor blog I forget

687
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: which one, and I remember seeing nine wins and commenting

688
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: that I thought that was, ooh, that's a little ambitious.

689
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: Right there. I could see a pathway, but it's very

690
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: narrow and it doesn't seem at all realistic. As the

691
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 2: year wore on, it became very realistic. Like you said,

692
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: the top not a big middle class, if any middle

693
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: class in the Big twelve. So for them to get

694
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: to that eleven win plateau in total, that's a pretty

695
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: big deal. Kudos to met rule.

696
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: I Uh yeah, what a strange year that a team

697
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: with an OK offense and a lights out defense is

698
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: an overtime period away from winning the Big Twelve. No,

699
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: strange season.

700
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: Strange strange season. Shall we move on to our final

701
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: Power five conference?

702
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: Sure?

703
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: A Big ten, Daniel, the big big ten.

704
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: Uh, let's talk about the Northwestern Fighting Wildcats. We always

705
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: figured that they had. They always seemed to have the

706
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: highest floor. Like, Northwestern might not be great this year.

707
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: I'll go to a bowl game, They'll go seven and five.

708
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 2: Uh.

709
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: They did not go seven and five. No, they most

710
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 1: certainly did not. I don't think they won their first

711
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: Power five game until the Illinois game? Is that right, am?

712
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: I looking at their schedule correctly.

713
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: They did not win their first Power five game until

714
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: the last week of the year.

715
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: Yes, the offense was a disaster. The injuries were a disaster.

716
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: On offense, Hunter Johnson did not work out all that well.

717
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: He's beat up when he's in does not work out

718
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: all that well. They make a change at offensive coordinator

719
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: after the season. They're unable to run the ball, They're

720
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: unable to pass the ball, they're unable to score the ball.

721
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: They're unable to move the ball in any sort of

722
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: creative fashion. All season long, at least, I guess before

723
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: the Illinois game, they scored twenty points. I'm seeing zero

724
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: times before November. This was a historically bad not just

725
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: Big Ten, not just Power five, but FBS offense. And

726
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: while they had their offensive struggles in years past, it

727
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: always seemed like Northwestern was what you could count on

728
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: in terms of competence, sheer competence, and you could not

729
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: this season. That was a shocker to me.

730
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: Interesting now I think I'm I think I'm with you

731
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: on that front. I'm surprised by a couple of things.

732
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that Michigan State didn't get better already been

733
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: No I am, I am actually okay, No I am,

734
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 2: I am for real. I wasn't necessarily expecting a nine

735
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: win campaign from Michigan State, but I wasn't expecting what

736
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: we saw. Like the defense was still pretty good, and

737
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: of course they won the bowl game to get to

738
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: seven wins, but six and six is is not something

739
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: I was expecting. I wasn't expecting a thirty four point

740
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: loss or a thirty eight point loss against Michigan or Wisconsin.

741
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: There were many games this year we talk about a

742
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: zero percent postgame win expectancy. I'm looking at goose eggs

743
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: at Ohio State, at Wisconsin, and at Michigan. These are

744
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: really bad showings. This was a hapless offense that just

745
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: could not get going. We talked about before the year,

746
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: how we talked before the year about how Mark D'Antonio

747
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: was jumbling up his offensive coaching staff in hopes of

748
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: jump starting things that didn't work out.

749
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: Well, what did you so you say you're surprised by

750
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: the offense at Michigan State not working out, But what

751
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: gave you confidence that it would when there was no

752
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: significant change, There was no catalyst, there was no spark,

753
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: there was no overhaul of anything.

754
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: Well, it's a fair question. It's a fair question. Perhaps

755
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: it was a bit of wishful thinking, but I have

756
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: a lot of respect in Mark D'Antonio. I still think

757
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: he's a good football coach. Now recent Mark D'Antonio maybe

758
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: unbiased based on past results, right, but I had more

759
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: faith that he would be able to resurrect this situation

760
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: and put out a better offense that just didn't happen,

761
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 2: And be the jokes on me for feeling surprised by that,

762
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: but I just I did expect more and I don't

763
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: think we ever saw it. So the Michigan State thing

764
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: caught me a bit off guard. I was pleasantly surprised

765
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: by Ohio State and Justin Fields. This is an incredible

766
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: season and you know, to be three quarters of the

767
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: way through the year to be in the playoff. Reading

768
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: comments from fans, and it wasn't just our friend Dane,

769
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: there were multiple fans who wrote in saying, this is

770
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: the best Ohio State team I've ever seen. To do

771
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: that a year after rbi Meyer leaves the program, hands

772
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: it off to a first time head coach. That was

773
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: a hell of a debut effort, to say the least.

774
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: So the way they look, the way they put their

775
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 2: defense back together after a bit of turmoil the year prior.

776
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: Justin Fields goes without saying I was very surprised, pleasantly

777
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: not too too surprised, but I was encouraged. I was

778
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: happy to see the job that took place at Ohio State.

779
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: That's boring tie. That is just a boring answer. I

780
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: don't care, I know, I mean I was. I was

781
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: more pleasantly surprised by revn to seven to drive for six,

782
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: Illinois taking down Wisconsin in the last second Michigan state

783
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: that crazy comeback, hanging with Michigan for as long as

784
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: they did. For a team that loses to Eastern Michigan

785
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: in what mid September, that win alone would have gotten

786
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: them to rev to seven. They're close against Nebraska that

787
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: ends on sort of a not great call. This was

788
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: a I'm not gonna say good, I'm not gonna say plucky,

789
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say frisky. Just damn weird team all

790
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: year long, and they were crazy beat up against Northwestern.

791
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: They hang with Iowa on the road, I believe in November,

792
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: and they take the elegance cal which is to be

793
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: expected in the barry and the ball game. But the

794
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: ups and downs of this season and the fight I

795
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: guess that they showed when somewhat healthy. Illinois is one

796
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: of the teams that, strangely enough, will come to define

797
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen season. If you dig far.

798
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: Enough, here's a hyper local answer. Okay, if you would

799
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: have told Lehigh. No, not Lehigh, I'm not going to

800
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 2: talk about Tyler Monico.

801
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: Okay. Sorry.

802
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: If you would have told September Tie that November Sean

803
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: Clifford would leave him feeling this underwhelmed, that would have

804
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: been a pretty big surprise. Remember the context here. Yeah,

805
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: the all time winning his quarterback left the program. But

806
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: to lose Trace and enter a new season with a

807
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: lot of turnover you lose Miles Sanders. There were ready

808
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 2: questions about the wide receiving core going into the year.

809
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: To lose a guy of that caliber and turn it

810
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 2: over over to Sean Clifford after the Tommy Stevens transfer,

811
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: there were questions about how are they gonna fare at

812
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: this quarterback position? And I think to start the year.

813
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: To start the year, he looked way way better than

814
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: he did as the year wore on. He had like

815
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: a gosh, what was it like, a nearly four hundred

816
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: yard game against Maryland who Maryland was found out by

817
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: the point in time when they played them, but still

818
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: he completed like eighty percent of his passes in that

819
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: game and looked really good the first half of the year.

820
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: Towards the latter half of the season when they started

821
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: playing better teams, he started looking a bit yippie and

822
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: gave me serious like branded Wimbush vibes where he was

823
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: staring at the offensive line sure and maybe not sure

824
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: of the pocket and making some weird decisions. He had

825
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: some of his own injury concerns. Didn't think he looked

826
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 2: all that great in the bowl game. Got the job done,

827
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: but he has a lot of questions to answer. As

828
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: we entered the twenty twenty season, I did not feel

829
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: at all great about Sean Clifford, outside of maybe that

830
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: Minnesota game down the stretch where he was able to

831
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: rally late and put up some nice numbers.

832
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: You could argue the number of teams had surprising elements.

833
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: I mean Indiana to have the success that they did. Granted,

834
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: the bottom of the Big Ten was horrific this season.

835
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: Minnesota's ascent this year, yeah yeah, also fortuitous situations, nothing

836
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: that they could really control, and they took advantage like

837
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 1: good teams do. They lose to tie those two teams together,

838
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: they lose their offensive coordinator to Penn State. There's never

839
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: anything surprising about Iowa. I surprised Perdue and dealing with

840
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: I guess Purdue is covers both. For me, I was

841
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: surprised at some of the success they had with all

842
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: of the crazy injuries that they were suffering, but also

843
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: surprised that they looked as poor as they did at

844
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: certain times. The Nebraska that's a bit of a shocker still,

845
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 1: and they're dealing with injuries as well, especially with Adrian

846
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: Martinez his health all season long, but even when he

847
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: was in there, A Nebraska was a rough, rough watch

848
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen.

849
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I would agree with that, Dan, for sure.

850
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: A lot of surprises in the Big Ten.

851
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 2: Do you want to do a group of five? Quick?

852
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: You got anything?

853
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: I'd love to?

854
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: Okay, how about Air Force?

855
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: I think you could only talk about the service academies

856
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: with this situation.

857
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: Air Force had a legitimately good offense and run a

858
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 2: different scheme. Granted, but they were pretty good down.

859
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: The street on the same scheme as they always run.

860
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: But they run the same scheme tea.

861
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but closed out the year winning a bunch of

862
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: games in a row, like eight straight games if you

863
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: include the Bowl. Beat Washington State thirty one to twenty

864
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: one in the Bowl them, Yeah, ran all over them.

865
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 2: They're only two losses all year. Were at a Boise

866
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: State and to Navy, both on the road. So I

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Speaker 2: think by a large are really good year. Beat Colorado,

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Speaker 2: beat a team like a Utah State who maybe wasn't

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Speaker 2: as good as we thought entering the year, but still

870
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Speaker 2: a nice win the Army. Another team that made that category,

871
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Speaker 2: oh for sure, Hawaii was a nice win on the road.

872
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Speaker 2: Hawaii ended up being a pretty good team.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I I love the hell out of watching.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Caden Remsburg. They're back in the bowl

875
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: game against Wazoo. They had a hell of a year

876
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Speaker 1: and it was sort of I would go as far

877
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Speaker 1: as saying like their defense in a number of ways

878
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: led the way. They were very stout upfront against the run.

879
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: So really nice surprise there. I was surprised, I don't

880
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Speaker 1: want to say fully surprised, but I would say I'm

881
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: impressed by the bounce back here that Navy had almost

882
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: getting themselves to the American Championship Game, especially with how

883
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: much better their defense got year to year. Also surprised

884
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: by the dip Army took, and that was to be

885
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: expected with the number with the amount of attrition from

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, but still sort of surprised there and elsewhere

887
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: in the G five, I don't know, pleasant surprise Hawaii

888
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: continues to improve to the point where they lose their

889
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Speaker 1: coach to a Power five conference.

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Speaker 2: I think Hank Bachmeyer was a pleasant surprise.

891
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess when he played.

892
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: When he played, showed a lot of promise and definitely,

893
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: gay Broncos fans are reason to be excited.

894
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: I was impressed by Western Kentucky, especially that defense this year. Well, yeah,

895
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: the lows that they fell to and then to beat

896
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: Arkansas the way they did with a former Arkansas quarterback

897
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: and tie story. I thought Western Kentucky and Tyson Helton

898
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: did a really nice job. Any other surprises to you

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00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: in the G five ranks.

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Speaker 2: It's tough to be surprised by app State at this point. Sure,

901
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: Billy Napier did a good job at Louisiana. Yes, I

902
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 2: don't know how big of a surprise that ends up being,

903
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: but they were formidable a team that we liked in

904
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: awful lot in bull season. Hopefully got a lot of

905
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 2: confidence points for some of our participants.

906
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Speaker 1: I would say, I guess Georgia State bouncing back the

907
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: way that they did, Yeah, a really nice surprise yeah, yeah,

908
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: especially with how they start out the season. Yeah, I would,

909
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: I would lump the Panthers in there.

910
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I think that's it, Dan. Let us

911
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 2: know your surprises again. You can do that by emailing

912
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: unless it's so oliverble at gmail dot com. If you

913
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: want to follow along on Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, you

914
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 2: can comment in any of those places. There is also

915
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 2: a subreddit, which I mentioned at the top of the show.

916
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: It is solid Verbal dot reddit dot com. You can

917
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Speaker 2: go out there and discuss your pleasant surprises not so

918
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: pleasant surprises with other for bawlers who listen to the show.

919
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: If you like what we do, subscribe. You can subscribe

920
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: on any of the podcasting apps, doesn't matter. If you

921
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: really like what we do, you can leave a review.

922
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 2: We always appreciate that. But beyond that, Dan, again, as

923
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: we now enter this off season mode, one show a

924
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: week most weeks.

925
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and that's not to say there will be

926
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Speaker 1: zero one show if not more. If you really really

927
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: like what we do. Tie's phone number is six one

928
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Speaker 1: oh four. No, shoot, I'm reading this wrong, Okay, I'll stop. Ty.

929
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Speaker 1: I thought you did great, Thank you, thank you. I'm

930
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: a little bit surprised that I was able to get

931
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: a newborn to one full year of life.

932
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Speaker 2: Congratulations, and happened to the little guy.

933
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Speaker 1: I'm surprised that after hearing that you had the flu,

934
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: that I found out that you were in urgent care

935
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: last night with a fully separate issue that yeah, recovery.

936
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Speaker 2: Well it wasn't. It wasn't the full blown flu. I

937
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: came to find out later, but I was swabbed multiple

938
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: times at two different doctors' offices to see if I

939
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Speaker 2: had it.

940
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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, and then you went with some sort of

941
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Speaker 1: respiratory situation.

942
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: I think I pretty much have everything wrong. The only

943
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 2: thing working right now is to some extent my voice

944
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: into a lesser extent my brain.

945
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: Okay, well listen, you go heel up, have some chicken soup,

946
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: get some rest, rest those pipes. We got a long

947
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: off season. We've got a lot of very strange shows

948
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: in our future. As we have guests, we probably have

949
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: deeper conference looks that require some investigation. We have all

950
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: sorts of fun plans for the off season, new stuff,

951
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: old stuff, And you know what, why don't you go

952
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: to solid verbal dot reddit dot com and tell us

953
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: specifically what you want out of this Off Season from

954
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: I would imagine the best podcasts in the world.

955
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 2: I want it titled off Season Dash, What you Want,

956
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: What you Want, what you Want? Let us know.

957
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, make it. Whoever starts that, make it as uncomfortable

958
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: as time made it sound.

959
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you want on that note or that guy

960
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: over there, the proud Papa Stan Rubinstein for myself, Tie

961
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Speaker 2: Hilton Brandt, thank you so much for listening to the show.

962
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: We will be back a week from now to talk

963
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: more college football. In the meantime, enjoy the rest of

964
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Speaker 2: your week, all of your weekend. Hope y'all stay healthy

965
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: and by all means stay solved.

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Speaker 1: Nice