WEBVTT - Ep. 448: Munching Off the Mussel Tree 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the Meat Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:15.320 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear. 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:22.040 Listening toast, you can't predict anything presented by First Light, 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:26.720 creating proven versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:27.840 technical outerwear. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:35.400 For every hunt, First Light, Go farther, stay longer. All right, 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:42.640 we're recording in Seth's trashed out. A frame is trashed out, Moldy, Alaska. 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.920 A frame which is looking really good. What's coming a 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.960 long way? Looking really good? The porch is still gone. Yeah, 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.200 no porch. The porch fell off. 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.520 It's kind of a nice touch though, because you know 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:56.880 those endless pools. 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:57.320 It is. 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.280 It's like an infinity It's like an infinity house. 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.080 When the tide is up and you sit where Chester is, 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:09.200 it's an infinity house. You cannot see land in between 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.160 the front windows. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.080 And the and the water. It's amazing. 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:13.520 Yeah. 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.319 So we're looking at two big sliding glass doors at 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:17.240 the ocean. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:18.120 Yeah. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.760 When Seth bought his southeast last gay frame, I think 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:22.839 had you bought it? When I notified that your porch 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.280 was gone? Oh yeah, yeah, I came up and I 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.399 seth recollexes. I don't recollect. Yeah, I'll tell a story. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:31.679 Kay. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.240 We we hadn't as as the crew that bought this place. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.160 We hadn't been up here all together yet. I was 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.680 the only one that had seen this place. Everyone else 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.640 bought Sight Unseen. But you came up last spring to 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.240 bear Hunt and I get a phone call from you 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.200 and you say I have good news and I have 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.480 bad news. And I was like, all right, well, let's 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.800 let's hear the bad news. And he goes, your porch 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:02.320 fell off. It's a high Like, what do you mean 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.840 fell off? And he said it fell off, it's laying 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.160 on the ground. Said all right, well, what's the good news? 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:10.480 He said, the fishing has been good. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:15.919 Here's the thing. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.239 Here's the thing right off top, going out of going 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:24.320 on a book tour with a twist, No, not really 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:29.360 a twist. So our first book ever for kids is 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.480 coming out, and we got some great videos coming up 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:36.520 to show the book. We got great videos. It's like, 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.560 you know, it's like those kind of videos where you 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.359 see someone doing something in a little bits. I don't 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:45.880 know what to tell you call them the process videos. Yeah, 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.360 process video. So we got a process video coming up. 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:50.960 Making your own scaler and scaling the bluegill, all with 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.560 real live kids doing it. We've got a process video 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.080 coming up. This will be on my Instagram at Steven 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.720 Ranella wherever. We got a process video coming up. And 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:03.200 make a bull gun out of nothing but stuff that 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.720 would be in any house besides a little chunk of PBC, 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.520 which is in most houses. Yeah, if you're a kid, 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:10.040 just tear the PVC off the wall. 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.920 Mm hmm, take a blow gun out of it. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.160 Out of the wall. In my place, they used to 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.360 be exposed. But uh, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.400 dig around, tear the sheet rock up. See if you 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:23.600 find the BBC back there. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.240 You can find up here at the shack and. 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:27.639 Get you get your thing. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.519 So everything every the book has everything you need to 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.800 not everything. You still gotta love them and feed them 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.400 and everything, but has much of what you need to 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.800 raise adventurous, competent outdoor kids with a little bit of 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.840 a raw edge to them. How to build, how to 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.000 build a campfires, how to build their own little ground blind, 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:58.360 how to build bullfrog gigs. Navigation using sun, navigation using stars, 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:04.240 hot tips on tree climbing, emergency shelters, identifying fossils, fish gutting, 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:09.160 animal tracking, much more. It's a great kids activity book. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.480 A lot of stuff's little bit dangerous, so you gotta 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:12.800 do it with them. Some stuff's fine. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:13.400 You go through the. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.000 Book and you decide what the kid could do by 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.440 himself and what the kid ought to wait for you 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:25.440 to help them with. So I'm gonna go on. We're 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.719 gonna go on tour to sign the books, and I'll 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.599 be gone. I'll be out June sixteenth to June twenty fifth. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.559 I'll be signing first edition copies of the new book 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:39.239 at Shields stores. Okay, so you go to your local 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.560 Shields store in the town's I'm gonna tell you about 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:46.120 a second here, and we'll do pictures and sign books. Billings. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:54.680 That's Billings, Montana, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Omaha, Nebraska, Kansas City, Missouri, Dallas, Texas, 0:04:54.800 --> 0:05:02.520 Colorado Springs and Johnston, Colorado, and Sandy, Utah. No eastern 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.120 cities at this time. But we're gonna do a lot. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.120 We're gonna we're gonna have live shows coming up and 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:11.400 we'll hit other areas. Uh So here here's how this works. 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.279 And this is it's annoying, but it's just true. You 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.160 gotta buy a ticket to go. But all you're doing 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.240 you need to buy a ticket just buying the book. Okay, 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.440 you have to buy the book to go to get 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.680 in the door. I think there might be some way 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:30.560 to do it there, but like just but but it's capped. Okay, 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:33.960 So you buy the book. It's like you're buying a ticket, 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:35.880 but you're not. You're getting the book and and bring 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.440 your kids, like you don't need to buy a book 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.960 for everybody, like you know, buy the book, bring your kids. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:46.240 So, any how's this go? I'm gonna make sure I 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:46.760 get this right. 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.560 Where do you go to get them? 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.800 Hey, to clarify, you're saying that a ticket would get 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.280 a family in Yeah, okay, that's big. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:57.040 It's big. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.240 Visit them meteater dot com for tickets. So go to 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.719 the meat eater dot com for tickets and we'll see 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.800 you at uh at the Shields store in those locations. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.640 They'll get their book at the store with the ticket. 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.400 I believe you redeem it. Yeah, that's right, it sounds right. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.440 You get it, and it's just the it's the cover 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.839 price of the book. It's just the cover price of 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:18.760 the book. When you get there, your book will be 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.600 waiting for you. Will get your book signed. It's great. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.760 Do some pictures. Shield Stores got it. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:28.920 That's big. Yeah. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:30.720 Did you say the name of the book, Steve. I 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.000 don't think you said the name of the book. I 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:33.960 know you've said it a lot, Clay, I know you 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:39.039 said it a lot. Guy's like a professional cat. Count 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:44.880 the Stars. Great mind that fun projects, skills and adventures 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:46.080 for outdoor kids. 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.400 I think this would be a good book to buy 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.080 as a gift for people that have young kids for real, 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:56.560 like as as a friend the family that's got young 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.600 kids and you're going, let's say you're going to their 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:02.120 house for you know, a special holiday. You just want 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.360 to bring a housewarming gift or whatever. 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.440 Catch a crayfish. Count the Stars. I'm going to get 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:08.239 one for Oscar. 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:14.600 That's a great idea. I'll tell you one, as. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.880 Long as it's signed to Oscar Love Steve. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.200 I was fishing the day you were born. There you go, 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:28.080 that's that's what it's gonna say. But didn't catch nothing. 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.280 I'm gonna leave that little detail because I wasn't with 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:31.840 your dad. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:32.600 No. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.440 Uh oh, here here's a call to action. I need everybody. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:42.160 People got to listen up. We're doing so. If you 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:48.160 followed our Campfire Story series Campfire Stories Close Calls, there's 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.720 the Close Calls Volume one, Close Calls Volume two. These 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.400 are audio originals we're working on running right now. And 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.280 here's what we're looking for. We're looking for people out 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:06.600 there who have had unexpected finds finding something crazy. It 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.200 doesn't even need to be totally unexpected, but finding something crazy. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.679 Let's say you were the person that found the Edmund 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:19.840 Fitzgerald sunk on the bottom Leg Superior. That's say you 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.840 found a body that had been missing for decades while 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:29.200 you're out hunting. That's interesting. Definitely say you had say 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:35.319 you were, oh this artifact yep. Like for instance, when 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.480 we had Mike Cunson and Mike Couns talked about finding 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:45.200 the MASA site, that's interesting. It could be anything that 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:50.720 we're just looking for great stories of finding discovery. It 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.800 could even be and I hesitant to say this, but 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.439 in the perfect scenario, it could be that you found 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:59.120 out something about yourself. 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:04.120 But go light on those. That's a high bar about 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:09.679 like finding a well preserved bear trap in the mountains. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.200 Perfect, that would be good. Here's another one that's good 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:16.240 you find a frozen ice age hunter coming thawing out 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.520 of a glacier. Hey, what if. 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:25.520 You your father was hunting in the nineteen nineties and 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.920 he died, but before he died, he shot a bull 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.680 elk that he never found that fell into a glacier. 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:37.240 Twenty years later, you come back with your son who's 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.480 never met his grandfather, and you find the bull elk 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:41.280 in the glacier. 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:42.120 How about that? 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:43.920 Yeah? 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:49.480 Well, see, okay, okay, a hermit, you found a little hermit. 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:55.640 That would be a good story. The more relevance, the 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.160 better to the find, like, for instance, the guy that 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:03.000 found Samuel Champlainan's astro labe while tilling a field in Ontario. 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:07.160 That's interesting, but you can't set. 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.000 The bar too high because most of us have not 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.040 made like world changing discoveries in the wild. 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.080 We need to hear stories about the stories we're looking at. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:17.080 So if you got. 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:24.319 One, If you were fishing and you hooked body with 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.920 your number, a box with your or an old shoe 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.520 with your crank bait and reel them in and it 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.360 was a person. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:34.640 Oh yeah, right in about that for sure. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.000 When I was beach combing yesterday, I came across the 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.120 wet suit down in all the rubble. You did, Yeah, 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.240 I did? And I was like, am I about to 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:43.840 find a dead person? 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:45.199 You found a wetsuit beach coming? 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.800 Yeah, it was all tore up. Yeah, you didn't even 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.280 tell us. You should write into this email. 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.839 I about ready to give I will campfire stories at 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:58.040 the meater dot com onto the news. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.400 I was like reluctant to cover anything. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.000 Out of Yellowstone guy the Yellowstone. A bunch of bikes 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.679 that swim across the river, although Calf can't make it 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:13.000 to him. Calf gets stranded on the bank. Okay, the 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.400 herd takes off the other side. 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:14.640 Of the Lamar. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:16.280 Somebody put it in their car. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:17.800 Again, No, he didn't do that. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.040 He screed it up the hill and like screried it 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.920 back up the hill away from the river. A white male. 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:32.400 Oh, by that, that's it. That's it. I was thinking, like. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:39.240 I thought, Balder baldering today is long blue T shirt? 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.520 Are we looking for this guy? Shades? So I think 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:47.240 they got him. He's got a grain beard, shades, Balder 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:47.720 and cow. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:52.839 I thought it was gonna be that Ma came down 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:54.240 down the bank and. 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.880 No, he they already found him. He played guilty. OK 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.280 so this guy got in trouble for doing that. Yeah, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:06.160 so he he uh, he got intro over doing it. 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:11.720 So he pushed the struggling calf up from the river 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:16.000 and onto the roadway, where it proceeded to like follow 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:20.040 cars around and be abandoned. And they said the herd 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:25.040 wouldn't accept it because the man touched it. I don't 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:25.880 know that I buy that. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:26.880 I don't either. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.720 I think that it might have or like it didn't 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.000 cross the river when they crossed the river and they 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.079 abandoned it there. I think this guy's getting in trouble 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.400 for something he didn't do. Find two hundred and thirty 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.559 five bucks and had to pay five hundred dollars to 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:47.360 the Yellowstone Park Foundation Wildlife Protection Fund. He didn't flat 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:52.040 out break the rules. You can't get within you can't. 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.760 You gotta stay twenty five yards away from uh, you 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.839 got to stay twenty five yards away from by some 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:06.320 hundred yard hundred yards away from bears wolves. Park officials 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.600 are investigating. I don't know why. 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.600 At this point, it's not clear to people that like 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.760 when you go to Yellowstone, don't touch the animals. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.240 Well, you can picture this poor you can picture this 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:17.800 poor guy. 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:19.800 He's like, it's stranded, dude. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.400 How many It's still like, how many people go to 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:27.280 Yellowstone every year? Like the chances of there being a 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.679 couple kind of you. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.360 Just can't get the word out enough. Yeah, just don't 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.240 touch the animals, don't touch the critters, and like, don't 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:36.000 touch the critters. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.760 But also I don't know what people's like vision of 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.640 Yellowstone is, but like natural life still goes on there, 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.320 you know, and like if you see a bison calf 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.600 that's like about to die, like it would have like 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:52.360 that's how it works. 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.839 Well, it's like they've never heard of Yellowstone because if 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.680 you're looking for Yellowstone in the news, it's just people 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.160 getting in trouble forgetting too close to the animals. 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:02.679 They're like, oh, you meet that place, you're going to 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.800 get in trouble to touch everything. A listener did us 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.680 a great favor. We've talked a couple of times about 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.520 the guy. Every time. If you're like a male, I 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.880 don't know how they I'm sure this is served heavily 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.480 to males. If you're a male in the let's say 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.400 twenty to fifty age bracket, I'm guessing who they're serving 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:27.400 this ad to you're familiar with the shirtless guy making 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:32.120 selfie videos or he's on fake podcasts, yeah v shred, 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.320 and he's like, he'll say something to the effect of yeah, 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.800 oh is it. I think he'll say something to the 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.080 effect of everybody knows cardio, Bill burns fat right wrong? 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.160 Oh yeah, well the YouTube ats yeah yeah, and you 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.400 want to and you don't talk, and you're like, man. 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:49.800 Is he right? 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.880 Well a guy he was. He was alerting me a 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.920 couple of times to a testosterone killing food. 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.400 Yeah, I've heard that one. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.200 And I would watch as long as I could bear it, 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.880 and I did never find out what exactly is killing 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:10.680 men's testosterone. So a guy had a listener after listening 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.240 to Monday's episode, you guys are joking about the YouTube 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.360 ad guy where the guy never gets to the point. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:20.840 Shortly after listening, of course, his ad popped up. I'm 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.520 a painter, so I threw in my earbud. God's listening 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.600 after watching a one hour and eighteen minute video, no joke. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:36.920 The mystery food killing testosterone was flax seeds ps. After 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.600 watching the video, I'm still unsure of what the guy 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:44.160 is selling. Huh, that really is one of the great 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:45.280 mysteries of the Internet. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:46.400 Now here. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.360 Well, no, just like one of that guy's selling. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:49.600 Yeah. 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.360 Yeah, Now, folks, stay tuned, because're gonna pretty sum We're 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:58.320 gonna talk about the new revolutionary black bear hunting technique 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:02.720 I developed Clay executed upon. It was a it was 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:07.960 a cold ab Yeah. I developed it and then quickly 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:14.240 tried to abandon it, but Clay stuck it out. Clay 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.600 stuck it out and developed the new technique, which I'm 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.080 hesitant to even bring up. I might make a YouTube 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.680 video where I'd be like, what's the best way to 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.160 kill a black bird? And just and then you watch 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.520 and watch, watch, I'd never tell you and at the 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.480 end you're like, this one secret. 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:33.720 Okay. 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.600 Now, you guys gotta pay attention because this is very philosophical. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.320 In episode four forty, you all debated whether it would 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:46.360 be okay to lie on a rental application, asking if 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:51.120 a tenant planned to bring firearms into a home. I 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:55.000 remember this, He says, this is not an etiquette question, 0:16:55.760 --> 0:17:01.720 it's a philosophical question. During that converse, Steve used the 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:06.879 quote murderer at the door scenario. Now pay careful attention. 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.840 Most of the other podcast members, and especially phil seemed 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.200 to think it was irrelevant to the situation being discussed. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.480 I'm quoting from the person that wrote in it's actually 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:27.280 it's my favorite part. It's actually very relevant. The murder 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.560 at the door scenario was made by the philosopher Emmanuel 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:38.000 Cant in the eighteenth century, specifically to counter a French 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:42.480 philosopher's claim that you only have a moral obligation to 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:47.800 tell the truth to one who has a right to truth. 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:54.760 Can't believe that being truthful was a sacred and unconditionally 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:59.399 commanding law in all situations, even if there was a 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:05.120 murder at your door looking for your friend. Can't would 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.720 say that the man who wrote in asking for advice 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.480 was morally obligated to be truthful on the rental application, 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:18.040 regardless of the potential outcome. The less famous French philosopher, 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:22.120 who I think is right, would say that the man 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:26.880 could morally lie if the person renting the home had 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:33.120 no right to know, if a potential tenant had firearms, 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:38.439 no right to know. Meaning you're out fishing and you 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:43.880 just laying on a real hotspot. Some guy you never 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:48.920 met in your life says, are you catching anything? You 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:55.440 go just a little one or whatever. You say, nothing much. 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.560 Yeah, that happened that you feel that happened all the time. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:01.239 They have no right to know. 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.800 But then, but then your main fishing partner says, did 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.040 you catch any He has a right to know. 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.560 Yeah, oh, if I'm catching him, I'm on the phone 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:13.840 with my main fishing partner. 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.800 Go ahead, if I'm not with him. 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:18.720 Do you want to hear the rest? Because he gets 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:19.680 into you in a minute here? 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:20.359 Sure? 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:20.720 Why not? 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:27.280 Chester's argument that if the wife really wanted the apartment 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.000 and you did too, then you could fib it a 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:36.600 little bit, which is a quote, is essentially hedonism, a 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.520 philosophy which claims that man's only moral obligation is to 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:45.040 maximize his own pleasure. I don't think there are many 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.800 etiquette books written by hedonists, So if he acts fast, 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:54.520 he might be a able to corner the market. Could 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:59.760 I give one last thing before you counter Chester? He says, Anyways, 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.160 love the podcast. I've noticed I'm not going to get 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.040 into details on this. He goes, I've noticed that there's 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:09.679 often an inverse correlation between the fame of your guest. 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:10.919 And the quality of the show. 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:21.679 It goes on to have many examples which I'm not 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.560 going to read the examples because that's mean go ahead, Chester. 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:29.840 Yeah, I was kind of going back and forth on that. 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.840 That one the etiquette thing there. I think I should 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:35.720 have stuck with my guns what I said. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:37.440 First, which was none of their business. 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.040 No, I think I said I would tell the truth. 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.760 You're like a can't You're like an emmanual can't. Yeah, 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.119 but whatever, I would not tell the truth. 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.360 Hey, everyone, filled just chiming in here to stave off 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.560 any sort of snarky emails we might get containing something 0:20:56.560 --> 0:21:00.560 along the lines of, oh, Steve can't pronounce Kant, a 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.440 dumb joke that I would never make. Of course, Steve 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.040 is aware that the name is pronounced Emmanuel kanked. 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:06.960 Back to the. 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:12.399 Show, guy wrote in about uh, for some ate, I 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:15.640 can't remember this. We were talking about coin purses made 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:16.920 out of kangaro nut sacks. 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:18.280 Is that true? 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:19.920 I mean, it's not shocking. 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:21.960 I think we talked about that. 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:24.200 Uh. 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:26.840 Wasn't there like a they shut down? 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:31.960 Yeah, but I remember talking about anyway, this guy says, 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:36.240 my family we have a long history making buck ball 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:40.720 bag gearshift covers after you get a buck. I've seen 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:44.640 these sharing it. I've never done it. After you get 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:46.880 a buck, you cut the scroll off and empty the contents. 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.479 You didn't put that over the shift knob like a helmet. 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.680 I like that little detail like a helmet on your 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:58.399 manual transmission or transfer k ship knob and tie the 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:02.160 bottom off of the short piece of straight He likes 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:06.280 to run fuzzy side out. The bag drives around the 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.480 shift knobs, saving you, leaving you with a great conversation 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.720 piece and a warm soft spot to put your hand 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:17.960 in a cold winter's day. Most commonly people will ask 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:18.800 if it's a rabbit. 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:20.280 It's not. 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.840 In my opinion, anyone who takes issue with it doesn't 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:28.560 need to ride all that bad. He also points out 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:33.080 there's no stink. As the hair wears off over time, 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.560 you'll be left with a thin lever color, a thin 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:39.760 leather cover that can last for years. Eventually it will 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.359 crack one day. You'll have to take it off or 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:47.280 it'll fall off. The factory nob becomes a subconscious reminder 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.120 that has been a while since you were successful. 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:57.080 This is deep. I feel like you should. 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:02.560 Yeah, find a roll for this guy. Email writer Mulders 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:08.360 seemed to best for my making model Antelope or tad 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:14.320 small big shifter elk is too big. Big horn sheep 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:16.960 sacks would probably cover the shift now shift lever and 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:23.560 half the transmission. You can't send a picture because he's 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:24.080 in Japan. 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:30.080 Oh wow, we need to have that guy under a buck. 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:35.840 This guy's good. 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:38.600 I want to know what he's doing in Japan. It's 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.200 probably he's military. 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:46.439 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, what's a guy that's got a 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:50.159 buck buck sack on his shifter doing in Japan? 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:55.400 Military? Here's a good one. 0:23:56.080 --> 0:24:00.520 This is a chatticate question, so the rule on chettikot 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.440 check gets the final answer, even though it's probably wrong. 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:06.800 Yeah. 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:08.959 Can I coach him just a little bit? Yeah, I'm 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:09.600 staying out of. 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.800 No no, no no, like beforehand, like I don't want to 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:15.359 get into the we need, this is what we need? 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:17.880 He would tell you would he would lose the apartment 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.400 over someone telling someone something that's none of their business. Well, 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.480 I'm saying we just need more certainty. 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:23.479 Okay. 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:27.560 I think you know you have an opinion. Yeah, I 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.760 think you're being more like a magic eight ball. You're 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.360 being pulled a little bit too hard. I think sometimes 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:35.200 we're left not knowing really what you think. 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:38.639 I think really what happens is like I'm on a 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:41.480 podcast right now, so what I say is gonna be 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:43.560 heard by a lot of people. So I'm thinking about 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:45.199 it too hard, and I just need to go with 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:49.680 my guts and trust yourself. So I'm going to be certain. 0:24:59.400 --> 0:24:59.960 Is cheikak. 0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:02.919 I'm not gonna say anything, Clay I want you can 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:07.159 talk about it. You can talk about it, Doctor Randall. 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:12.199 Feel free. I have a question concerning the purchase of land. 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:17.800 Seth perk right up to see that I like purchasing land. 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:19.240 I have found. 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:25.439 I have found fifteen acres in a western state that 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:32.679 is bordered by over fifteen thousand acres of mostly land. 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:33.359 Locked public land. 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.639 There are only a couple of homes within a quarter 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.000 mile from the house, so it's perfectly remote. But you 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:45.720 still have what I'm hoping to cool neighbors. If I 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:49.800 purchase the land, what do I do about public access? 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:56.679 I don't want to be the feller in Wyoming that 0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:01.800 brought the nonsense corner crossing bs, which a judge is 0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:08.840 you know that that guy's getting totally shot down. There's 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:11.840 just another ruling in that case, which is more to 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:17.919 the effect of nothing happened like nothing happened to your land. 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:22.960 No damage is done by corner crossers. We're gonna cover 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:25.640 that in greater detail as things become more clear. Anyhow, 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:28.960 he doesn't want to be that guy. However, I don't 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:30.639 know how I feel about a bunch of people parking 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:34.600 on my land to access to public land. Now that 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.840 I'm typing this, I don't really know how to ask 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:38.600 what I want to know. 0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:44.800 I think he wants to know, would you let would 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.639 you let people? So, here's your land to access to? 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:49.480 Yeh, so here he's saying, here I am. I'm gonna 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.399 buy a chunk of private land that has access to 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:57.520 landlocked public land. Does he have a moral obligation to 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:01.120 make his house a trailhead? Well, I don't think. From 0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:02.440 I don't think a moral obligation. 0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:02.639 No. 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:04.600 Well, so I'm staying out of it. 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:07.359 Oh yeah, from the contract, from the context that we 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:12.560 got he leaves in there he says mostly landlocked. So 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:19.640 if if it's truly landlocked, I would say, I'm all 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:23.640 about letting people access public land. I think we are 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:27.080 all too, So I would say you could probably work 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:32.040 with your work with the state and get a little 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:33.320 parking area or something and. 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:35.960 Really you would do that, Chester, I don't think you 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:37.280 understand what's happening here? 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:39.119 What he? 0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:40.879 Yeah? I do? 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.280 I mean, as are you kidding me? 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.120 You might have just bought the best hunting property, Jess. 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.840 You're saying, you're saying that if you bought fifteen acres 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:54.200 of land and it gave you access to fifteen thousand 0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.359 acres of landlocked and when he says mostly land, I 0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:00.560 don't know what he means. But okay, you bought fifteen 0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:04.679 acres in a butt's a big chunk of landlocked public 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.160 you're saying you would turn your fifteen acres into a 0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:12.160 public access part. That's that is wonderful if true. 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.960 I mean, dude, think about all this stuff we do 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:21.560 at Meat Eater to get access to public land, like 0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:24.800 you put where your mouth is. Yeah, why wouldn't Why 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.960 wouldn't you if you're if we're we're the ones raising 0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:30.400 money to get easements and stuff like this. 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:32.280 What about if you didn't work at meat Eater. 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.920 I probably I wouldn't let people access. 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:39.840 Real life scenario. 0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:44.520 You wouldn't be quite that altruistic like in a real 0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:45.280 life scenario. 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:49.040 We I'm just saying with what we're doing, right now 0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:52.920 I'm being certain here, Okay, Clay, Okay, with what we're 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.560 doing at meat Eater and raising all this money for 0:28:55.800 --> 0:29:03.880 land access and stuff. Absolutely, that's fifteen thousand whatever he said, 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:11.080 that's a ton of hunting land that that for that 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:14.040 we are raising money for currently to try and like 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:15.760 get little easements. 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.320 And I like him to send me the listing. He 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:19.560 doesn't even give what state. 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.040 I was gonna say that guy, if he's ever interested 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:25.760 in selling, should send an email to cal kelb and 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.280 and and maybe they can work out a little land 0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:29.600 access initiative deal. 0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:31.720 There, did I say I was gonna stay out of it? 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.440 You did, Well, you can take it back. I'm taking 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.640 it back. Here's what I do. Here's what I do 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:43.960 if I real world scenario I bought that chunk. Real 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.680 world scenario is I wouldn't be a tight ass with 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.200 my friends and stuff, but I don't know that I 0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:52.600 would actually turn my home into a trailhead. I would 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.600 probably be like I like to think I would be 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:59.080 very generous with friends and kids and neighbors and whatnot, 0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:01.120 But I don't know that I would put up a sign, 0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.840 just just trying to be realistic. And I think it's 0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:06.640 it's it's a there. 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:08.880 It could be spread out into different areas of life 0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:12.560 where you have access to something good. It's like we 0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.920 have a great elk pot roast cooking in the kitchen. 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:19.440 Are we gonna let all the strangers that want to 0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:20.920 come eat dinner with us? Come eat dinner? 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:21.040 No? 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:22.560 Yes, are we gonna. 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:25.320 I mean, it's just like there's all kinds of stuff 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.280 that we individually have access to that we have a 0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:32.400 right to as humans, to have some access to something that's. 0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:38.440 And this guy, as the most recent purchaser of land 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:42.280 adjacent to this big chunk of public it's he's under 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:48.280 no obligation to solve a problem that everybody else isn't solving. Yeah, 0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:52.680 I mean he might actually he might piss off his neighbors. 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.000 Or he will for sure. Oh yeah, if and if 0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:58.360 you really I mean, I would approach it similarly to you. 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.680 And if I felt really good guilty about it, I 0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:04.640 would make it my life's mission to establish new access 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.600 to some other piece of public life someone else on 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:08.600 the other side of the way. 0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.320 It would be the same question of if you had, 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:17.800 you know, fifteen acres of private ground. It's like Chester, 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:22.040 would you let the public public hunt, and answer would 0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:23.280 be would be no. 0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.600 Here's Oh that's a great Let's say yeah, Chester, Let's 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:27.840 say you bought. 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:32.600 Here's the deal. Clay brought up the pot roast thing. 0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:35.840 You know, if I'm cooking a pot roast in my 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:39.360 kitchen and I'm not going to go hold a sign 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:43.240 out like Steve saying hey, come and get some pot roast. 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.080 But if some guy out there rolls up on his 0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:48.720 boat and it's raining and he's like, you guys, got 0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:52.280 any food, I'm going to welcome in in here with 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:54.320 open arms and I'm going to give him some of 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:59.320 that pot roast. Is if I own a chunk of 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:03.560 private property. My father, he owns a junk of private property. 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:05.520 He doesn't have a sign out in front of it 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:08.840 saying come hunt. Okay, But if some guy comes over 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:11.920 with it compelling story. 0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:17.200 Moldial a frame porch fell off, Yeah, it'd be generous. 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:23.800 Yeah, our friend Carl, Carl Malcolm, that's ask my father there. 0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:31.480 But on your property, my a frame in Alaska, the 0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:34.760 porch fell off, I can hunt. 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:36.600 Sorry, go ahead. 0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.480 So I I know a guy also that has an 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:44.280 easement through his property and he's got it on the corner. 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:47.560 He doesn't have a big old sign out there. People 0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:53.760 aren't constantly people know, the people that know know, and 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.120 it's not a whole lot of people accessing that. And 0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.960 also those people that access through that do all kinds 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:05.400 are real nice things for that guy, really like, you know, 0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:08.800 they take care of him. So I don't think it 0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:11.719 be the worst thing in the world. It's all just 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:15.920 depends on the situation. But we gotta we gotta put 0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:18.520 our money where our mouth is at meat eating. 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:21.760 Back in the day, while I was still in Pennsylvania, 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.920 I was real young. The hunting property at my family owns, 0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:28.880 which you got Steve Chat, you've guys seen. We used 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.600 to be enrolled in this program with the Game Commission 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:35.600 where they would supply trees and food, plot seed, and 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:37.520 we would plan all that stuff and then let the 0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:38.160 public on it. 0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:43.200 But that quickly quickly ended, did it? Yeah? 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:44.520 Too much chaos? 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:45.480 Too much chaos. 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:47.800 You try to go up to your tree staying on 0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:52.040 opening morning and someone's sitting in your stand like it 0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:55.000 was just yeah too it was too much to handle, 0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:59.520 and you just basically lost all your opportunity on your 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:00.240 own property. 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:00.440 You know. 0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:04.560 But it worked for a little bit. But yeah, so 0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:05.080 that's like. 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:08.720 Kind of brings this whole conversation on the sour note 0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:10.319 just one perspective. 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:13.239 Well, I'm glad that there's chesters out there. 0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:15.799 Maybe there are a lot of chesters out there in 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:20.440 the world, because I know and am the beneficiary of 0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:25.200 many landowners who are exceedingly generous. Doug, Bubby Doug. I 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.919 can't remember to help someone like Bubby. I can't remember 0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.800 with the number Bubby Doug had like forty some people 0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:33.160 hundred dugs place last year. 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:37.440 He's controlled about it. You know, you got like. 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:41.840 Turkey a season, Turkey b season down the line, you 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:47.960 got like you know, youth dear rifle late this. You know, 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.160 he's measured about it and kind of has a schedule 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:55.160 in his head. But man, yeah, nothing wrong with being generous, 0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:58.800 super generous. My friend Mark lives by me. Super generous 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:05.319 people are always out there, super good about kids. Right, 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:09.759 He's not in a program, he's not an access program, 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:14.319 no big sign out front, but like exceedingly generous to 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.959 the point where you like you're saying, to the point 0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.600 where you are costing yourself opportunity because you could just 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:21.400 you could just be like mine, mind mine. 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:24.880 But in the in the long run that that probably 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:31.440 makes a guy like Doug, you know, just just a 0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:34.719 happier human being because he's sharing and stuff. I don't know. 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.840 So could we say that this guy has a moral 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.320 obligation to be generous? 0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:46.960 No, no, but he'd probably he'd probably feel good if 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:47.319 he was. 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:51.360 Okay, ready to move on? 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.040 Yep, you go, Chester, Yeah, I'm good. 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:57.400 So the final thing is Chester is Chester's taking the 0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:01.279 moral high ground, doing what's right. Yeah, So we kind 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:03.320 of forgot about the listener. If you buy that place, 0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:05.920 it's great. If you don't let me know where that 0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:06.480 spot's at. 0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:10.680 Whatever he does, you know, I'm not going to be 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:13.759 bummed up, you know, if he wants to keep that 0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.239 to himself, just what I would do. 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:22.000 So over the years of over the years of hunting 0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:30.880 coastal black bears, I have made adopted a couple of 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:35.840 strategies that I like. And one strategy I adopted for 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:39.920 hunting coastal black bears is to do it in waiters. Now, 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:44.319 when you're doing it in waiters, there is the obvious 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:50.080 safety risk. You do not want to go overboard in 0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:57.399 deep water with good current cold water in waiters. That 0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:01.960 is a that's just the reality. You could act like 0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.160 you're going to be so diligent that you don't put 0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.920 your waiters on until you're ready to get out and 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:10.200 go after a bear, But that's you're. 0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:10.800 Not being realistic. 0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:15.560 I leave in my waiters and I am out in 0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.439 my skiff in my waiters, which many people would think 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:23.719 is not smart because when you go overboard, if you 0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:27.160 hit something. And we were hanging out with the kid 0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:31.080 last night that recently went overboard. He had a full 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:34.879 survival suit on, so a full Mustang suit. I'll think 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:36.840 about getting me one of them full Mustang suits. 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:40.239 You should do it, man. This me being up here 0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:44.080 for the first time. It's striking to me. I think 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:47.040 you guys are desensitized to it. But how dangerous that, sir? 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:47.759 Oh it is. 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.560 I was talking to an uber driver in catch Can 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.880 one time and he was coastguard and we got to 0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:57.040 talking and he had over his career, he's kind of 0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:01.520 retired and started driving. Over his career, he had been 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:10.280 to many distress calls and many bodies. One that shook 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:14.719 him up one time is the guy had tied himself 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:21.279 to his skiff, tied himself to the flipped over, tied 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:23.520 himself to a capsized skiff, and he felt. 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.400 It was obviously so that his body would be recovered. 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.880 Another time, he talked about two people had made it 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.640 to the beach and were dead leaning on a tree 0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:36.479 in the winter. 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:40.839 What one of the first days we were out and 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:44.600 some of the bigger water, we were probably a half 0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:48.360 mile from shore, maybe closer than that. And I said, Steve, 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.680 we have a wreck right now, and go in the water. 0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:55.319 Can I make it to that shore swimming? And he 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:59.800 was like, no, probably not. And it was kind of 0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:03.040 arising to me because you feel like adrenaline. 0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:05.440 The current is so strong, dude. 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.400 And you'd and you'd make it, but the water's so 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.919 cold you'd just lock up before you got there. 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.160 When we were diving scallop, just to give you sense 0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.320 of the current. So when we were diving scallops the 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:19.080 other day, I had a spot that I was diving 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.920 down to that I was marking because it was about 0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:26.040 it was like at a two o'clock position, about twenty 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.040 five yards off the bottle of the boat, the boats 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:37.359 anchored thirty feet of water. I would dive down, hit 0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:42.160 the bottom and then ride the current, looking so it's 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:48.200 an eighteen foot skiff. I'm twenty five yards up in 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:52.040 a one minute dive. When I pop up, I'm back 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.920 of the stern. Really weep. 0:39:56.239 --> 0:40:00.359 You could have swum, you could have swam against the fins. Yeah, 0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:04.240 but where you're talking about that shoreline, you're talking about 0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:08.719 the current runs parallel to that short line. It just 0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:10.759 takes you down theh So you would have a hard 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.839 time getting on an incoming tide to be a lot 0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:13.960 better than an outgoing tide. 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:17.759 But I'm just saying, yeah, like likely likely not in 0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:20.600 fifty degree water. I've got a little bit once we 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.719 get first without a survival colt. But we you know, 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:25.320 we used survival colts. But the kids were talking about 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:27.480 he hit a he hit a it's crazy, he hit 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:32.080 a tree caught this. No, he had a tree that 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.759 had snapped off on top and the tree was oriented 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:39.480 vertically in the water, root wad and everything. Wow, And 0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.640 the end of the tree was was bobbing up and 0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:45.880 down at the surface. The tree was standing upright in 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:49.239 the water. Huh, So you would have seen nothing. No, 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.000 gashed a hole in his thing. He was able to 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:53.680 swim to the beach his march, but it was like 0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:57.640 a warm sunny day. He gashed a hole in his boat, 0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:01.440 had a full on, full survival suit, made it to 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:05.680 the beach, walked up to Loggin Road. I wouldn't have 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:07.080 known what a Mustang suit was. 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.840 So these survival coats are basically it's like a jacket 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.880 with a zipper and pockets, but it's a it's a 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:14.880 flotation device. 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:18.680 Yeah, Mustang is like the maker. It's a brand. Yeah, 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:22.759 Mustang is a leading maker of survival coats. Yeah, there 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:23.680 are other brands. 0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:24.440 Yeah. 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.360 And it floats you in, insulates you. 0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:28.160 Yeah. 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.200 Picture of life jacket with a with sleeves. 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:32.400 Yeah. 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:34.680 Hey, when we get when we get more, I don't 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:36.400 want to give away the bear stuff. 0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:38.080 Full of a current. 0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:42.359 I've got a current thing about the about being having 0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:43.919 a sense of being pulled out. 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:47.919 Oh so point being before I was before I got 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.040 distracted there. What I was getting at was it's dangerous 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:52.440 riding around a skiffing your waiters. 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:54.960 Yeah, it's just bear it a mine. 0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:58.480 Where are you're maybe put your Mustang colde on so 0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:01.080 you counteract, Wait, just your legs and fall off. 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.799 Uh so. 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.279 Oh it's so good for like it's just a great 0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:09.279 way to cause you. You don't have to think about 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:12.799 where you're getting out. You can't shoot from a boat. 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:17.120 I remember one time we lost the bear. The bear 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:18.840 was going on the beach and went up in the timber. 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.440 We pulled up and my buddy Ryannie. We pulled up 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:24.560 and I'm like, well, I'm gonna wail on a predator call. 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.120 And I started wailing on that predator call. And that 0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:29.920 bear looked like I was going to get in the 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:31.960 boat with us when he come back out of the timber. 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.759 But we're pull pulled up on a steep thing, and 0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:38.080 I said, you can't shoot from a boat. 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:39.080 So I was like, get out of the boat. Get 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.800 out of the boat so he could shoot it. 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:48.080 It's too deep. One who cares? But two had you 0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:52.640 had waiters on, whoop, let's jump right in. Yeah, So 0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:55.840 I like to hunt in waiters. One day, I was 0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:59.160 sitting there years ago, and I never took action on it. 0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:02.800 It's just one of those thought I had. I was 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.040 looking at some bear or another and I was thinking, man, 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:10.000 if I had my wet suit, I would just swim 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:13.600 up to that bear. No problem in a wet suit. 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:18.080 He would just think it was a seal coming. I 0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:20.400 mentioned this to Clay, and Clay said, I'm gonna do 0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:25.280 that with my boat. That's about the way it happened. 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:29.000 So Clay got himself a seven mil wet suit, five 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:32.399 mil with a one liner. Is that what you did? Yeah, 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:35.080 Our friends over at rob Allen made him a suit. 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:38.480 Did you do the custom measurements? Yeah, forty two measurements. Man, 0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:39.920 it gets real personal. 0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:47.800 That she measurements of every circumference. 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:47.880 On my body. 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:49.560 I did the same thing. 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.720 So got a five mil suit with a one mill liner, 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.400 and bought a little teeny pool toy boogie board. 0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:01.520 I hate it, like a like a thirty inch very 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:07.240 cheap fore and made, you know, a little boogie board 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:10.160 from some box store, you know, And it had all 0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.200 the beach colors on top, and it was kind of 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:14.640 like a scaly black on the bottom. And I spray 0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:18.600 painted a little camo on top because that's what my 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:22.160 bow floated on. So I drilled two holes up through 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:25.080 the it was just dirofoam and put a piece of 0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:29.279 hay string through the holes and I would do just 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:32.600 like a little slip knot over the handle of the 0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:34.240 bow to sinch it down. 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:36.560 I feel you should have gone bellcross trap. 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.600 Yeah, it probably would have been better, Probably would have 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:44.200 been better painted a seal's face on the front. Yeah, yeah, 0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:46.480 we're seeing a lot of seals up here. Hey, can 0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:49.920 I can I describe the land features of why this 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:50.879 is significant? 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:51.920 Oh? Why it matters? 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.319 I mean because I don't think it would be. It 0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:58.200 wasn't evident to me here in you tell why this 0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:03.120 would be effective. It was actually more effective than I 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.200 thought it would be. I was envisioning a lot of 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:09.480 like long straight shorelines. Yeah, that's what you think when 0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.839 you think shorelines, But this is not that this. There 0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:18.640 are uncountable islands and just much variation. 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:23.880 And in the swim around to a little day island. 0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:24.160 Hop. 0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:27.600 Yeah, yeah, we watched multiple bears swim. 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:29.720 And there aren't too many. There aren't too many big 0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:33.640 flats on the on the coastline. I mean, there's some 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:35.160 grass flats tucked away here. 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:36.440 And let me get let me go, let me give 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:39.680 another little detail. Got two kinds of black bears. You 0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:45.480 got black bears eating beech ry, eating grass grass. You 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:49.919 got black bears eating muscles and crabs on a low tide, 0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:54.720 you know, and the and the and like the waiter 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:58.960 strategy is good for either. But we're talking about we're 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:01.120 talking about bears that are in the rocks. 0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:04.000 So the first day that I was here, we weren't 0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.640 quite ready to commit. Randall was hunting and that y'all 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:08.960 had an incredible hunt, and I was in my waiters. 0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:09.960 Randall kills a. 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:12.960 Bear, and we can talk about that later. I got 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:15.200 in and we saw another bear. Well, we already had 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.400 Randall's bear in the boat. And I'm wearing waiters and 0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:20.880 I stalk a bear and I'm bow hunting. I stalk 0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:25.880 a bear along the edge, along the edge, trying to 0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:30.680 go to a bear, and everything was good until I 0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:33.319 got to a big rock that jetted out into the 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:35.839 water where it was real deep out on the edge 0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:38.680 of the rock, and so I couldn't get around it 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:42.400 with my waiters without you know, getting way over them. 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:45.480 And so the waiters are good to a point, like 0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:49.520 most of the time a waiter would get you. And 0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:52.360 the thing about and this is if you're trying to 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.200 get within bow range of these bears, you're not walking 0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:55.960 on soft ground. 0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:56.920 You're walking on rocks. 0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:58.800 And it's loud in barnacles. 0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:02.600 Barnacles muscles very loud. So if you have waiters or 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:06.239 in you know, a wetsuit. The water is silent. There 0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:08.560 was a bear the first day. That bear was feeding 0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:11.200 on muscles and I was in the water with my waiters. 0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:13.200 Can I interject from here, because it is the detail 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:18.239 on express It's a steep bank and trees will fall 0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:23.120 over and will fall into the ocean and muscles blue muscles, 0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:27.080 which I'll point out as a circumpolar species, meaning there's 0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:30.480 a band of latitude. There's a latitude band and that 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:34.760 the blue muscle, same species occurs all the way around 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:37.440 the globe. So when you go into a restaurant and 0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:42.560 order muscles, that's what we're talking about. But they they 0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:45.880 attached to pretty much anything. There's a tree that fell 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:51.160 over into the ocean and its limbs over the years 0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:56.000 have become seeded with muscles. At high tide. At high 0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:58.640 tide the tide goes out, we watch a bear come 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:02.799 under the tree and it's like he's pulling apples out 0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:06.920 of a tree, but he's feeding on muscles over his head, 0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:12.640 draped off tree limbs. Very cool. 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.480 Two different times Randall's bear was doing that when we 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:17.200 hit the beach, two different times. 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.800 Very These these bears are crunching these muscles. 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:23.880 Muscles, Yeah, they're they're like crunching them like acorns. 0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:28.239 And they'll just sit down acres acrens. 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:29.719 That'd be a good show. 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:34.000 They'll hunker down, just the lay on the beach and 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.040 just eat all the muscles around them. 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:39.320 So, okay, I got a quick question about the South. 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:45.839 Seems relevant, totally unrelevant. I just noticed in the South, 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:48.440 you guys get two syllables out of the word hen. 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:54.719 Hen him. 0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:58.920 They get two syllables out on a bunch of bears. 0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:01.880 Hen. I don't know if I do that or not. 0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:07.480 Some people do now, Ben, Ben and Ben. 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:14.320 Yeah, never mind the bears. 0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:18.239 So the bears are feeding on these rocky outcroppings, and 0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:23.040 there's a lot of little channels, and we decided with 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:26.200 the wet suit, you would be uninhibited in the water. 0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.600 And we felt like that you we one thing that 0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:31.200 we thought. 0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:34.520 I got to come clean about. To go on though, Well, 0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:39.480 go ahead. My case scenario had a lot to do 0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:47.480 with rifle hunting, in that you can't shoot from a boat, 0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:51.680 and the big boys don't like the sound of motors. 0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:55.359 They learn what a motor sounds like, they don't like it. 0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:57.200 Of course, there's a point at which you bear don't 0:49:57.200 --> 0:50:01.640 want to hear outboard. My you use case scenario was 0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:08.760 different than yours. Mine was how to extremely quietly get 0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:13.280 to a point or island or whatever. How to extremely 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:16.680 quietly get to something where you could shoot from a 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:20.600 ways off. I wasn't picturing ass getting in there and 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:24.720 shaking hands with them like you were doing. Oh really, 0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:26.920 what you thought I was going to get to the land? Stop? 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:27.080 No? 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:33.520 No, My original concept was wasn't shaking hands with them. 0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:39.040 My original thing was just getting You could just slip 0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:43.120 out of your boat instead of trying to beat your boat, right, 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:50.160 you could anchor and just slip out of your boat. Yeah, yeah, right. 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:52.960 And it wasn't like like following them in. 0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:54.600 A wetsuit like you were doing. Yeah. 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:57.000 I wasn't thinking about that so much as I was thinking, like, man, 0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:00.680 if I could get to that little point, all, yeah, 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:03.440 do that is, wait for him to get clear one 0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:05.399 hundred yards, two hundred yards whatever the hell? 0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:06.120 Yeah. 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.319 It wasn't quite like how you put it to use, 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:11.319 like you were putting the use like up close and personal. 0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:12.440 Yeah, but go on. 0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:19.040 Well, it ended up being incredibly effective, and the wet 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:22.200 suit thing was kind of interesting for me. This first 0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:24.799 time I've had a wet suit and put it on, 0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:28.520 and I was uncertain how cold this water would be, 0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:29.440 how difficult it would be. 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:30.520 The first time you. 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.960 Put that wetsuit on, you had a slight panic. 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:37.239 Oh, man, no doubt I did. I got this wet 0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:41.040 suit and I was sent this lubrication, which was a 0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:45.319 powdered lubrication, and I thought I didn't read the instructions 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:48.280 on it. I thought it was like talcum powder. Like, Okay, 0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:50.279 you put this wetsuit on with. 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:53.319 This dry how would you not? It was dumb, man. 0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:58.680 There's no excuse a thing I'd find Like you're here, 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:01.640 we go just at it seems like you're just ambivalence 0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:12.160 to directions. I'm guilty. I'm guilty, man, I'm guilty. I'm 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:14.399 just the fact you'd get a powder you've never seen 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:18.400 before and put it on your body. How do you 0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:18.960 use it? 0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:19.960 What it is? 0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:22.560 Well, Clay gets a prescription from the drug store. He 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.120 probably takes the paper and just throws it out. Don't 0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:29.840 tell me how to take this medicine out. I'm guilty. 0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:32.760 I'm jake this medicine. How I please and when I please? 0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:35.080 And so I'm putting this wetsuit. 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:38.439 On and I get it over my head and I'm like, man, 0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.760 this is hard. And I finally get both my arms 0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.759 in it and I got my head is choking me 0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:47.760 to death, and I literally start to have a panic 0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:50.759 attack because I can't get it off, and I call 0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:53.600 my wife and I'm like, I'm like pulling it out 0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:55.799 for my neck, and I say, when I go down 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:58.520 like trying to get under it, just pull it off 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:02.120 my back as hard as I was, literally like my 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:03.000 heart was pounded. 0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:04.319 She thought I was going to pass out. 0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:05.080 It was. 0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:08.360 It was bad, and I was slightly and I didn't 0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:10.959 have time to it was like the day before we came, 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:13.319 you know, and so I didn't put it on until 0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:16.239 the first day. And actually that first day when it 0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:17.880 was choking up on me, even while we were in 0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:22.000 the boat, I was it made me like physically nervous 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:22.719 having that thing on. 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:25.520 Yeah, you kind of brought you back to you, Yeah, 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:25.799 I was. 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:28.239 I was like pulling it down and I actually was like, man, 0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:29.960 I wonder if I can do this or not. And 0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:32.080 then finally, after a while, you just get used to it. 0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:45.760 The wet suit was an incredible way to get get 0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:51.360 close to these bears. And we had multiple wet suit stalks. 0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:53.440 So what happens is you see a bear from a 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:57.120 long ways away and then you bowte in and get 0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:59.040 to a place where they can't see you, get out 0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:01.399 of the boat, and then and me and dirt. Dirt 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:02.759 was when they people would be able to see this. 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:03.440 At some point. 0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:06.600 He was filling with an underwater camera and a GoPro 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:10.040 and some stuff, and we would we would swim, usually 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:13.359 staying close to the shore and try to come in 0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:16.640 down wind to the bear, which we thought that being 0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:19.439 under almost underwater would would cover our sin. 0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:24.719 We had bears smell us if you did mask and 0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:29.200 snorkel not gonna smell you, but don't smell your breath. 0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:31.719 That's I mean, that's all they were smelling anyway. And 0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:33.719 you put some tic TACs down that snorkel. 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:35.560 Bears love tic tacks. 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.040 No, So I mean, do you want me to tell 0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:41.600 when we finally killed the bear? 0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:42.560 Sure? 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:44.640 I feel like I want to add more color in here, 0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:46.480 but no, no, let's go. 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:49.600 I thought that when when I first heard you were 0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:53.319 going to have a wet suit, a boogie board with 0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:57.239 your bow on it in salt water. You've never been 0:54:57.280 --> 0:55:01.520 in a wet suit. You're from Arkansas. I was like, yeah, that. 0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:07.480 Seth had the best observation. We were talking about I'm 0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:13.000 wrong how bears comprehend stuff, and he said, the last 0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:17.600 thing they'll be thinking, is it some hillbilly mark. That 0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:18.920 is the last thing. 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:28.480 They're like, maybe some yuppie from California not thinking this. Yes, 0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:31.880 there were a lot of There were a lot of variables, 0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:35.279 the worst cases of California. 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:37.000 There are a lot of variables. 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:42.919 But these bears, I knew from Steve's observations of being 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:45.759 in the water with him that they were gonna be 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:49.680 pretty much oblivious to things coming from the water. And 0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:54.839 that's like deep biology, that there's just not danger on 0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:57.239 the water. They hear a sound on the shore, they 0:55:57.239 --> 0:56:00.000 hear a rock pop on the shore, they're gonna be gone. 0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:03.319 They're going to be alert. But from the water, we 0:56:03.400 --> 0:56:05.640 knew that they weren't going to be that alert. And 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:08.760 there literally are seals swimming around all over the place, 0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:11.719 and here we are in these black wet suits, camo wetsuits, 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:13.960 you know, with stuff pulled up over our head. We 0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:17.200 look like seals. But you guys needed to do I 0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:17.640 think that. 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:23.680 Like a little face paint, oh, might have made a 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:27.680 big difference. It is because the white face comes very pronounced, 0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:30.000 a little grease on your face. You might even look 0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:34.440 like totally you might have got it. We we I 0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:36.080 tell you. I saw where a black bear killed a 0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:36.600 seal here. 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:37.200 Yeah. 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:40.719 Yeah, because they when the salmon are in. This is 0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:42.520 quite a ways out from here, but when the salmon 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:45.360 are in, the seals will go right up in the creeks. 0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:49.640 And my theory is some bear standing there sleeping in 0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:51.719 the grass whatever. And also it's like, you gotta be 0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:55.680 kidding me, that's a seal and he had skinned that seal. 0:56:56.360 --> 0:56:59.799 It was just the seals hide. Wow, he emptied it 0:56:59.800 --> 0:57:01.000 out like a sack. 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:03.120 Didn't like dine. 0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:07.000 I was envisioning a bear like trying to get in 0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:09.239 the water. You know, you think of all the scenarios. 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:11.239 I just felt like you could get away from a 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:14.560 bear in the water. I don't think they're that agile 0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:15.080 in the water. 0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:17.280 They don't hesitate to swim. Man. 0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:20.560 Two different times when we were out in a channel, 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:23.760 we were in this like cluster of islands and two 0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:28.280 kind of peninsulas that came together, and so there's like 0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:31.520 a braid of channels. Two different times we were in 0:57:31.560 --> 0:57:34.640 the water with a bear that was swimming across the channel. 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:36.720 You know, a couple, you know, two hundred yards from us, 0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:39.960 but they looked like a beaver from water level. Looked 0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:41.800 like a beaver going across the water, and then it'd 0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:42.919 get out and it'd be this bear. 0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:44.520 Yeah, but no, So. 0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:48.240 When we finally I think we've covered all the bases 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:50.120 here of why we were doing it. 0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:53.360 Scent sound getting close. 0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:57.400 I mean I had shots at thirty and forty yards 0:57:57.520 --> 0:58:02.600 all day stalking on the land, and that's a good shot. 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:05.560 I mean, a guy that's pretty decent with the bow 0:58:05.840 --> 0:58:09.040 can take that shot. But I've also bow hundred enough 0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:12.200 to know that thirty plus yards with a bow on 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:15.000 any animal, maybe other than an elk that has a 0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:18.240 kills on the size of a beach ball, there's just 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:19.360 a lot that can happen, and I. 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.160 Like to get inside. I want to be I wanted 0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:23.160 to be twenty yards. 0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:25.120 From a bear. I think it's important to note here 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:28.640 you want to put a kill shot on those things 0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:35.040 because if they go up into that thick, wet, nasty stuff. 0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:36.960 It is the worst stuff in the world to try 0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:40.920 to blood trail on. Yeah, it's just moss. Moss, not 0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:44.160 like a forest floor of like fallen leaves. 0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:45.439 Mm hmm. 0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:51.120 It's it's heavily vegetated moss that doesn't show blood good. 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:54.360 Yeah, And depending on where the tide's at, they have 0:58:54.480 --> 0:58:56.760 like ten yards and then they're just disappeared. 0:58:56.920 --> 0:59:00.720 Yeah. Yeah, So I didn't want to take a marginal shot. 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:03.960 I had some shots at other bears at forty ish 0:59:05.080 --> 0:59:08.160 without the wet suit, and I didn't. I just was like, man, 0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:10.560 I don't want to take it. And h and again 0:59:10.880 --> 0:59:13.000 I can hit a target all day at forty. But 0:59:13.160 --> 0:59:17.040 the here's my tide, my tide story. I don't even 0:59:17.040 --> 0:59:19.120 think I told you this. Dirt and I were on 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:22.680 a small island with a channel that at low tide 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:25.240 was probably forty yards wide. 0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:28.160 To get to the main part of land. 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:30.560 And we see this bear like two hundred yards away 0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:36.080 on the shore from our island, and we're gonna swim 0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:39.800 this channel, this forty yard channel as the tide's coming out, 0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:43.200 it's starting to get low tide, and the wind's blowing 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:46.520 pretty good, and we don't have flippers on because we've 0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:48.520 decided that we want to be more mote. We've got 0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:52.880 crocs over the feet of our wet suit and no snorkel, 0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:55.200 no goggles or anything, and I'm pulling the. 0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:57.200 Boogie board and. 0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.800 We dive off this kind of like deep front, like 1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:04.919 there's not a bottom, like you pretty much just jump 1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:07.960 off the edge of a rock almost into water you 1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:12.720 can't touch in and man, I got about four you know, 1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:16.200 just doggy paddle strokes out there, and it kind of 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:19.120 starts taking you like out to sea. 1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:20.520 I mean, that's what it felt like. 1:00:20.800 --> 1:00:23.320 It really wasn't that dramatic, But to me, I was 1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:25.640 very cognizant that I am not going in the direction 1:00:25.720 --> 1:00:29.680 I'm swimming, and I thought, dang, this isn't gonna be cool. 1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:33.000 But it's like a full on river basically. 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:34.040 Yeah. 1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:38.240 But by the time that little section was short though, 1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:40.720 it was like ten yards. And then once I got 1:00:40.760 --> 1:00:43.160 out in the middle, it kind of calmed down and 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:45.160 I could actually swim the direction I was wanting to go, 1:00:45.480 --> 1:00:48.440 but the bear was two hundred yards away around the corner. 1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:50.919 We get out into the middle of the channel dirt 1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:53.480 and I are just like floating, just like bobbing, and 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:55.600 here comes the bear. We didn't know it was going 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:57.640 to come our way. It comes around the corner and 1:00:57.680 --> 1:01:01.720 we're in clear view of this bear on the shore 1:01:02.360 --> 1:01:04.200 and it never even looks at us. 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:06.760 So why you need a snorkel mask though too. 1:01:06.960 --> 1:01:10.960 The wind's good though, and but now we float down 1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:13.920 and just kind of slow swim watching the bear. I mean, 1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:17.120 it's like within bow range of us now, and there's 1:01:17.360 --> 1:01:19.240 just it was a perfect scenario because there was a 1:01:19.320 --> 1:01:22.480 rock about half as big as a car that was 1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:25.160 right on the edge. I get in behind that rock 1:01:25.200 --> 1:01:28.120 and I didn't even have my release on yet. Untie 1:01:28.160 --> 1:01:32.160 the bow, Untie the haystring, put my put my release on, 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:34.520 and the bear was so close. I didn't even use 1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:37.680 my rangefinder. I didn't take it. I had a rangefinder 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:40.680 clipped onto the hay string. And man, if there's ever 1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:43.600 a Vortex commercial, it's this. 1:01:43.760 --> 1:01:43.960 Man. 1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:48.160 I was using the Vortex rangefinder that more than once. 1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:51.120 I saw it bobbing from the end of that boogie 1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:52.880 board down in the salt water. 1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:55.200 It looked like a halibit jig bouncing. 1:01:56.400 --> 1:01:58.040 Hanging off that bailer twine. 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:00.760 Yeah, man, I mean, and I would scoop it up 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:02.680 and I would range to see. 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:03.360 If it still works. 1:02:04.120 --> 1:02:06.720 She still works, and I just put it back on 1:02:06.760 --> 1:02:10.640 that boogie board and I'm serious it works today. I 1:02:10.720 --> 1:02:12.960 checked it last night before I put it up, like, yeah, 1:02:13.000 --> 1:02:15.360 she works. And anyway, I didn't even take the range finder, 1:02:15.440 --> 1:02:17.840 got the bow and then we ducked back into the 1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:20.200 water to about chest deep water. It kind of bent 1:02:20.320 --> 1:02:23.000 down and just started going towards the bear, and the 1:02:23.040 --> 1:02:25.360 bear was kind of in a cluster of rocks. I 1:02:26.080 --> 1:02:28.920 estimated I was twelve yards from the bear and I 1:02:28.960 --> 1:02:32.120 stood up and all I had to do was being 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:34.800 water deep enough so that a full drawed my bottom 1:02:34.880 --> 1:02:40.280 cam didn't slap the water, you know, yep. So I 1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:42.560 I just stood up and the winds in my face. 1:02:42.560 --> 1:02:44.760 The bear never sees us, and I'm in you know, 1:02:44.800 --> 1:02:49.680 about five deep waste deep water and shoot the bear. 1:02:49.760 --> 1:02:52.480 Get a great shot the bear. You'll see it on 1:02:52.520 --> 1:02:56.080 the video. The bear jumps like a marlin coming out 1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:56.720 of the water. 1:02:59.080 --> 1:02:59.560 For real. 1:03:00.800 --> 1:03:04.080 The entry hole was on the was on the right 1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:06.600 side of the bear, and the bear spun so fast 1:03:06.720 --> 1:03:09.200 that I watched the arrow exit. 1:03:09.480 --> 1:03:10.840 Like almost towards me. 1:03:11.760 --> 1:03:16.440 And then the bear runs maximum of fifteen yards and 1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:19.760 rolls down to the edge of the water, and it 1:03:19.840 --> 1:03:23.240 wasn't a big bear. It was just you know, it 1:03:23.280 --> 1:03:25.280 was just a bear that did it, did things right. 1:03:25.880 --> 1:03:27.960 I really feel like you could probably target a big 1:03:28.000 --> 1:03:30.880 bear and do good if you if I just wanted 1:03:31.240 --> 1:03:32.840 like proof of concept, and. 1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:34.960 There Randall got a big old boar. 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:37.080 Yeah yeah he did. 1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:40.720 But yeah, this is Steve's idea one hundred percent. 1:03:40.800 --> 1:03:41.200 Well I had. 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:43.800 I mean I'm mostly joking. I mean I I my 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:45.720 idea up to the point that I never did. 1:03:45.520 --> 1:03:49.520 It well, But I told, I told, it's more like, 1:03:49.600 --> 1:03:51.560 you know what a fella could do. This is it 1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:54.440 was a It was a perfect merger because I would 1:03:54.440 --> 1:03:57.680 have never had even the thought cross my mind because 1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:01.840 I didn't have the spear fishing tool skill set, Like 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:04.040 I would have never gone out on my own and 1:04:04.120 --> 1:04:06.480 got a wet suit and drew a pow tag. 1:04:06.760 --> 1:04:08.640 You never dreamed of getting in that water. 1:04:09.440 --> 1:04:11.320 Yeah, I wouldn't have known that you could have gotten 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:14.320 that water and not been eaten by a killer whale 1:04:15.000 --> 1:04:18.680 like I. But so your your confidence in the wet suit, 1:04:19.440 --> 1:04:22.120 and and then just me loving bear hunting and just 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:23.280 wanting to do something different. 1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:25.920 It was kind of like a perfect merger well, hunting 1:04:25.960 --> 1:04:29.760 c cucumbers in wet suits. You know, you're working all 1:04:29.800 --> 1:04:31.680 the edges, and you know, I mean, so you learn 1:04:31.840 --> 1:04:34.760 just how nicely you can get along and how like 1:04:34.920 --> 1:04:37.680 you know, just how you're not thinking about stealth, but 1:04:37.800 --> 1:04:39.280 just how unbelievably stealthy it is. 1:04:39.560 --> 1:04:41.959 It is just to be down in the water working 1:04:42.000 --> 1:04:42.760 along the edge. 1:04:43.080 --> 1:04:45.880 Yeah, and I know if a past experience, the way 1:04:45.920 --> 1:04:50.240 in which uh, stuff floating just isn't as of a 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:54.280 high concern. They're they're just not quiet. Stuff floating is 1:04:54.320 --> 1:04:59.520 not as alarming to them as is other stuff. Now 1:04:59.640 --> 1:05:02.280 I say that, and just to really quickly touch on it, 1:05:02.600 --> 1:05:07.840 we we spooked Randalls bear. 1:05:09.680 --> 1:05:14.920 Uh approaching it. No motor running, yep, but yeah. 1:05:14.840 --> 1:05:17.720 It was fid we got it was wide open and 1:05:17.760 --> 1:05:19.600 it was only one what did I say, it was 1:05:19.640 --> 1:05:21.760 one ninety It spooked one hundred ninety. 1:05:21.560 --> 1:05:24.280 Yards, Yeah, something like that, and we were in the 1:05:24.320 --> 1:05:25.600 canoe paddling. 1:05:25.200 --> 1:05:27.440 Towards it, and at that point I knew we desperately 1:05:27.440 --> 1:05:28.080 wanted to get it. 1:05:28.320 --> 1:05:33.960 Yeah, yeah, we we we spotted him from the skiff 1:05:34.000 --> 1:05:37.800 out in the middle of the channel, and we're curious 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:40.280 enough to want to get a better look at him, 1:05:40.960 --> 1:05:41.320 and ye. 1:05:41.400 --> 1:05:44.160 See, I can't tell what I'm looking at tom close. Yeah, well, 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:44.960 and he was tough. 1:05:45.040 --> 1:05:47.160 When we got about halfway from the skiff to the 1:05:47.480 --> 1:05:50.480 to the shore, and he was he had kind of 1:05:50.520 --> 1:05:54.680 moved so he was sitting on his haunches and looked 1:05:54.760 --> 1:05:58.360 up at us, and it was like, right, then, that's 1:05:58.400 --> 1:06:00.480 a bear that we're really sit in. 1:06:01.240 --> 1:06:03.000 I was looking at one. 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:06.200 Well, I was looking at one one time, and I'm 1:06:06.240 --> 1:06:09.520 still like looking at it, trying to assess. And it 1:06:09.560 --> 1:06:11.480 was enough that I wanted to look at it more. 1:06:11.760 --> 1:06:13.680 But I hadn't said shoot in a friend of mine 1:06:13.680 --> 1:06:15.000 shot and it wasn't a big one. 1:06:15.040 --> 1:06:15.800 He got mad at me. 1:06:15.760 --> 1:06:18.440 But I was like, I never said shoot, I'm still looking. 1:06:19.000 --> 1:06:19.280 Yeah. 1:06:19.320 --> 1:06:21.360 In fact, when they're going off about deaf and meeks, 1:06:21.360 --> 1:06:24.600 that wasn't prepared for it. But it's like, yeah, I 1:06:24.640 --> 1:06:27.280 gotta look at him well, and we I mean I 1:06:27.280 --> 1:06:28.080 got to look at him. 1:06:27.960 --> 1:06:29.400 From a couple hundred yards away as well. 1:06:29.480 --> 1:06:31.680 Like you know, the first night for a while we 1:06:31.720 --> 1:06:32.720 saw three. 1:06:34.160 --> 1:06:34.680 That all. 1:06:35.320 --> 1:06:37.960 You know, each one of those I couldn't have said 1:06:38.000 --> 1:06:38.720 one way or the other. 1:06:39.080 --> 1:06:39.600 I got it. 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:42.280 Yeah, you're in a boat moving around yeah, you're. 1:06:42.200 --> 1:06:45.640 I mean, even even with your binoculars up, you know, 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:47.560 it's so hard to get a clear picture of him. 1:06:47.840 --> 1:06:51.640 And they're moving until they sit down. And they all 1:06:51.640 --> 1:06:55.040 look pretty big when they're sitting there, squatted over eating muscles, 1:06:55.200 --> 1:06:56.800 you know, just because of the way that their body 1:06:57.760 --> 1:07:02.000 arranges itself. But when that one, he kind of turned 1:07:02.000 --> 1:07:05.160 his head and looked straight at us, and. 1:07:04.600 --> 1:07:06.400 Then I can see the configuration of its. 1:07:06.240 --> 1:07:09.320 Ear, its ears stickings. I was, I turned around the 1:07:09.360 --> 1:07:11.440 canoe and we're both nodding at each other. 1:07:11.560 --> 1:07:15.120 Yeah, like one And people say, this isn't that. I 1:07:15.120 --> 1:07:18.320 don't around here, I don't around here. I find this 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:21.720 to be true. Ears off to the side of the head, 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:25.200 the ears that looks small, peeled off to the side 1:07:25.200 --> 1:07:27.760 of the head is a big bear. Yeah, yous look 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:29.080 pointy on top of the head is not. 1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:32.400 And let me I gotta say what I want to 1:07:32.400 --> 1:07:35.440 say something about that, because that's the thing that people 1:07:35.920 --> 1:07:39.360 in general say about bears across North America. It's the ears. 1:07:39.600 --> 1:07:42.280 And you're one hundred percent right. I mean here and 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:45.600 in a lot of places that is one hundred percent true. 1:07:46.160 --> 1:07:50.360 But where I hunt in in the South, in Arkansas, 1:07:50.480 --> 1:07:53.720 and Oklahoma. The biggest bear I've ever killed my life 1:07:53.960 --> 1:07:56.920 had five inches of ear sticking off the top of 1:07:56.960 --> 1:07:57.280 his head. 1:07:57.400 --> 1:07:59.720 I mean straight off the top. I mean, it's just 1:07:59.760 --> 1:08:02.919 a difference. I don't Yeah, I'm not saying it's always true. 1:08:02.920 --> 1:08:07.040 But if all the things people are looking for, of 1:08:07.080 --> 1:08:12.040 all the things you're looking at, it winds up being, uh, 1:08:12.520 --> 1:08:14.200 it's an easy one. And then the other thing is 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:18.720 like that little triangle. Like if you go make a lot, 1:08:18.800 --> 1:08:23.160 make a triangle where the top what do you call 1:08:23.200 --> 1:08:26.000 the parts of a triangle? The top line of the 1:08:26.040 --> 1:08:28.320 triangle is a line from base the ear to base 1:08:28.360 --> 1:08:31.120 the ear, and then the point of that triangle is 1:08:31.120 --> 1:08:35.720 the end of its nose. You want where it's not 1:08:36.040 --> 1:08:42.479 pizza shaped. If that triangle is pizza shaped, it's small. 1:08:43.439 --> 1:08:46.000 If that triangle winds up being what's kind of over 1:08:46.080 --> 1:08:51.400 all the parts and sides equilateral, all the sides are 1:08:51.400 --> 1:08:55.760 the same. If it's that kind of triangle, it's probably big. Yeah, 1:08:55.800 --> 1:08:59.240 that's that's a good Anyways, he looked at us, and 1:08:59.240 --> 1:09:01.640 I was like, god dah when he got it and 1:09:01.720 --> 1:09:04.960 ran off. But one in I don't know what percent 1:09:05.439 --> 1:09:08.160 we got out to the beach, Randall had the Phelps 1:09:08.320 --> 1:09:12.360 predator called the fahn, and we talked about that Phelps 1:09:12.400 --> 1:09:13.920 call that one. This is president. 1:09:14.200 --> 1:09:17.160 He's got several. He's got a he's got a cub 1:09:17.200 --> 1:09:17.920 in distress. 1:09:18.040 --> 1:09:18.240 Call. 1:09:18.400 --> 1:09:18.800 That's the one. 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:22.040 I have predator cub distress. Yeah, and then maybe a 1:09:22.040 --> 1:09:22.679 fawn jack. 1:09:22.800 --> 1:09:25.200 I think, no, no, once you have the cub distress, 1:09:25.360 --> 1:09:26.280 I think it's the fawn. 1:09:26.479 --> 1:09:33.080 The fawn. Yeah, either way. One in Well, let me 1:09:33.080 --> 1:09:33.679 tell the story. 1:09:34.120 --> 1:09:35.680 One time I was looking at a black brown and 1:09:35.720 --> 1:09:39.160 grass flat and it vanished somewhere out in the grass flat, 1:09:40.520 --> 1:09:41.280 or I thought went in the way. 1:09:41.320 --> 1:09:41.880 I couldn't find it. 1:09:41.880 --> 1:09:43.120 I knew it was on a grass flat. I get 1:09:43.160 --> 1:09:46.200 to the grass flat, bears not there. I guess set 1:09:46.240 --> 1:09:48.840 up where I got a good commanding view, and I 1:09:48.880 --> 1:09:54.519 start weighling on the fawn distress. To my surprise, out 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:59.000 of the woods comes a black tail dough out of 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:02.280 the chimber across. He comes across the whole grass flat, 1:10:02.920 --> 1:10:06.400 gets up to me, stomping, mad blowing, all pissed off, 1:10:06.800 --> 1:10:10.680 and goes back and I'm like, well, that amount of 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:15.840 ruckus absolutely would have lured the bear in if he 1:10:15.960 --> 1:10:18.920 was here. I stand up and move forward. And that 1:10:18.960 --> 1:10:21.120 thing is right in front of me, still feeding on grass, 1:10:21.120 --> 1:10:25.240 and a little cut didn't care me blowing that call, 1:10:25.320 --> 1:10:27.840 the dope coming out of the woods, running around all 1:10:27.880 --> 1:10:30.360 pissed off, and that bear never stopped feeding on grass. 1:10:30.680 --> 1:10:34.080 That's how little it cared. And then the next one 1:10:34.080 --> 1:10:36.040 will try to get in the boat with you. Yeah, 1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:41.000 I think it's like one in ten, two and ten. 1:10:41.120 --> 1:10:41.479 I don't know. 1:10:41.520 --> 1:10:43.280 Yeah, it's not one and two. 1:10:44.360 --> 1:10:48.840 No, it ain't one and three. No, well at it 1:10:48.840 --> 1:10:49.240 ain't one. 1:10:50.120 --> 1:10:54.920 It's like some number really care yea, and some number 1:10:55.160 --> 1:10:55.639 don't care. 1:10:55.840 --> 1:10:58.640 And at that point we couldn't see the bear. We 1:10:58.680 --> 1:10:59.800 didn't have anything to lose. 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:01.600 And it's smoked it. 1:11:01.720 --> 1:11:05.360 Yeah, and he smooked it visually, not smell had the window. 1:11:05.160 --> 1:11:07.880 No, he was looking over he kept glancing back over 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:11.080 his shoulders. Sam a couple quick steps up and just 1:11:11.120 --> 1:11:12.400 disappeared into the trees. 1:11:13.680 --> 1:11:17.160 And and meanwhile we got some folks in the boats 1:11:17.200 --> 1:11:23.719 watching all of this, myself, Clay, Sam, who else, Chris 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:27.000 or something or no, you guys are. But I was like, there, 1:11:27.200 --> 1:11:29.840 I saw the bear spook and I even said, I 1:11:29.880 --> 1:11:33.600 was like, that thing's not coming back. Little did I know, 1:11:34.840 --> 1:11:36.840 little did I know you guys had that call. 1:11:38.520 --> 1:11:42.799 It was awesome from our v We were quarter mile away, 1:11:42.840 --> 1:11:46.880 basically out in the middle of this this inlet, and 1:11:47.920 --> 1:11:50.519 I got my glass up and I think it's a 1:11:50.520 --> 1:11:52.200 done deal, and you are about to come. 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:54.680 Back, and I hear the squall and I'm like, oh, 1:11:54.720 --> 1:11:55.560 they're predatorcaling. 1:11:56.240 --> 1:12:00.400 And man, that bear was. We could see this whole 1:12:00.439 --> 1:12:03.559 cross section of this thing shoreline, you know, y'all bank 1:12:03.640 --> 1:12:06.040 the short line, and where the bear went in the woods. 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:07.320 And he went in the woods. 1:12:07.000 --> 1:12:10.280 Probably twenty five thirty yards and probably was just sitting 1:12:10.320 --> 1:12:13.880 there because very quickly after you started blowing, I saw 1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:16.439 black moving through the woods, coming towards you. 1:12:17.120 --> 1:12:20.439 And the bow of our canoe was tucked up against 1:12:20.439 --> 1:12:25.120 this hump of rock. So I got out of the 1:12:25.120 --> 1:12:28.679 canoe and I'm kind of sitting there holding it. Steve's 1:12:28.680 --> 1:12:32.880 in the canoe blowing on the call, and I'm I've 1:12:32.880 --> 1:12:35.519 got like one foot on shore and one in the water, 1:12:35.720 --> 1:12:40.960 just kind of crouched down looking down the beach, waiting 1:12:41.040 --> 1:12:44.800 to see this thing pop out of the trees, and uh, 1:12:45.000 --> 1:12:48.559 little you know, and all of a sudden, I'm sitting 1:12:48.600 --> 1:12:52.519 there and I can hear Steve get excited, and I 1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:58.160 hear him saying down the beach, down the beach. In reality, 1:12:58.160 --> 1:13:01.959 he's saying in your face, in your face, which. 1:13:01.840 --> 1:13:06.320 Isn't that much more discripsive was looking at his twelve 1:13:06.360 --> 1:13:09.400 o'clock down the beach, and at is nine o'clock there's 1:13:09.400 --> 1:13:12.160 a bear like standing there ere. 1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:15.679 It was just out of my peripheral and I'm I'm 1:13:15.760 --> 1:13:19.160 kind of between the canoe and this hump of rock, 1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:22.880 and so Steve has another twelve feet or so of 1:13:23.120 --> 1:13:27.640 or ten feet of perspective on the whole thing, and 1:13:27.680 --> 1:13:29.680 I'm looking down and I don't see the bear. I 1:13:29.760 --> 1:13:32.479 bring up my binoculars quick. I put him down, and 1:13:32.520 --> 1:13:35.320 I look over my shoulder over my right shoulder to 1:13:35.360 --> 1:13:38.479 see where Steve's looking at. And I look over my 1:13:38.560 --> 1:13:41.720 right shoulder and I see his head craned left, and 1:13:41.760 --> 1:13:45.160 so I spin around, and I mean, I could not 1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:48.559 see that thing until I turned and have my chin 1:13:48.640 --> 1:13:50.120 over my left shoulder. 1:13:49.920 --> 1:13:51.400 And this spaar is on top of you. 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:54.240 It's yeah, he's sitting right, I mean he's sitting over me. 1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:57.840 Probably, Yeah, he's he's like ten feet above you. 1:13:58.200 --> 1:13:59.280 Yeah, he's like. 1:13:59.280 --> 1:14:03.439 Ten feet above me, just peering over the rock. He's 1:14:03.479 --> 1:14:05.640 got this real you know, I can see from his 1:14:05.800 --> 1:14:08.880 chest from his chest up, he's looking over the rock. 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:16.240 And uh, it happened real quick, but I got this. 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:19.200 I saw him for you know, a second or two 1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:23.040 for it to register, and and that was like the 1:14:23.439 --> 1:14:26.519 limits of his patients with this whole scenario. So he 1:14:26.560 --> 1:14:30.240 hops back off the rock, and he turns and takes 1:14:30.280 --> 1:14:33.040 a step to the right, and then he zags back 1:14:33.080 --> 1:14:35.400 to the left. And at that point I shot him. 1:14:35.960 --> 1:14:39.439 I thought it was key, like when he was running away, 1:14:39.479 --> 1:14:41.280 you were calling and he made him stop. 1:14:41.479 --> 1:14:43.559 Yeah, and he didn't go. Yeah, he paused for just 1:14:43.560 --> 1:14:45.559 a second. I mean he didn't. It's not like he 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:48.880 turned around and was just you know, him his way. 1:14:49.520 --> 1:14:51.599 When he ran out there another fifteen yards. 1:14:51.720 --> 1:14:55.280 He yeah, he paused and turned around and stopped. And 1:14:55.320 --> 1:14:59.559 that's when I shot him. And uh saw him kind 1:14:59.560 --> 1:15:03.639 of over the next rock, and I followed him around 1:15:03.720 --> 1:15:04.880 and he was just laying there. 1:15:05.360 --> 1:15:07.599 That was fun to watch from a boat. 1:15:07.920 --> 1:15:09.240 Oh, it was stressful. 1:15:09.560 --> 1:15:09.760 Yeah. 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:12.639 We were just like, why isn't he shooting? It looked 1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:14.439 like the bear was like an inch from you. 1:15:15.320 --> 1:15:17.240 Oh man, I mean he was he was. 1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:20.800 It felt like he was an inch from us. I was. 1:15:20.960 --> 1:15:23.360 I was like at that point, it wasn't like he was, 1:15:23.680 --> 1:15:26.200 you know, in front of us. I was between him 1:15:26.240 --> 1:15:29.479 and the boat. I was between him and the canoe. 1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:30.280 He came out. 1:15:30.400 --> 1:15:33.280 He popped out like right over our shoulders. 1:15:33.680 --> 1:15:36.400 He was close enough where I was zoomed into two 1:15:36.520 --> 1:15:41.559 hundred mills on my on my lens, and I like 1:15:41.840 --> 1:15:44.320 same thing. I was looking down the beach and all 1:15:44.360 --> 1:15:45.800 of a sudden, like I looked to my left and 1:15:45.800 --> 1:15:48.760 he's like right there, and like paying the camera over 1:15:48.840 --> 1:15:52.080 quick and could not find him in the view finder. 1:15:52.360 --> 1:15:54.800 Yeah, just because he was so close. I was too 1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:56.479 zoomed in, said. 1:15:56.320 --> 1:15:57.679 I don't want to be the bearer of bad news. 1:15:57.680 --> 1:15:59.960 But there was about a three four inch warpneck connor tip. 1:16:00.320 --> 1:16:05.439 Oh yeah, I'll. 1:16:03.240 --> 1:16:05.640 Sitting here the other night looking at that. 1:16:05.640 --> 1:16:07.479 That's probably high on his priority list. 1:16:08.760 --> 1:16:11.599 There's Yeah, there's a long list. 1:16:12.280 --> 1:16:14.280 Well, you'll be able to at some point or not. 1:16:14.439 --> 1:16:16.000 You'll you'll be able to see all this we got, 1:16:17.160 --> 1:16:18.120 we got, we got good. 1:16:18.680 --> 1:16:20.160 It would be good. It'll be a good video. 1:16:20.280 --> 1:16:21.719 I think it's gonna be a good Oh, it's. 1:16:21.640 --> 1:16:24.960 Gonna be a good show, good episode, anything else, We're 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:25.680 gonna wrap it up. 1:16:26.280 --> 1:16:27.559 Yeah, plans coming in here. 1:16:28.479 --> 1:16:30.640 Tell them to listen to my Davy Crockett series on 1:16:30.720 --> 1:16:35.320 Bear Grease. Uh yeah, go ahead, that's it. 1:16:35.720 --> 1:16:38.799 He's not a Davy Crockett fan. We've got a great 1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:42.840 series on Davy Crockett. You go, you learn a lot 1:16:42.880 --> 1:16:43.719 about David Crockett. 1:16:43.720 --> 1:16:47.000 But first listen to Clays. But if you if you 1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:49.240 don't mind, first listening to Clay's thing about the education 1:16:49.360 --> 1:16:52.000 Little Tree. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:55.960 We did a series on Asa Carter and the education 1:16:56.080 --> 1:16:58.559 a book called Education of a Little Tree. Lots of 1:16:58.600 --> 1:17:02.080 twists and turns, dark twist and turn dark twisting turns. 1:17:02.080 --> 1:17:07.559 And then if you still into it, listen to Crockett. Yeah, Crockett, whatever, Crockett. 1:17:08.040 --> 1:17:10.639 I'm glad that you included why he didn't like Taters. 1:17:11.120 --> 1:17:13.800 Oh it's in there, because that is the most harrowing 1:17:13.920 --> 1:17:16.080 Tater story that about turned me off to Taters. 1:17:16.560 --> 1:17:20.800 Yeah yeah, do you want to tell it? 1:17:20.880 --> 1:17:21.000 No? 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:24.479 Okay, yeah, oh yeah, it is age. 1:17:26.000 --> 1:17:30.240 I would imagine that this audio series, aside from a 1:17:30.520 --> 1:17:33.519 just listening to a book on tape about Crockett, would 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:37.799 probably be the most comprehensive podcast series on Crockett. 1:17:38.080 --> 1:17:40.320 I feel like it's gonna be four parts. Did you 1:17:40.360 --> 1:17:42.360 include how he was born on a mountaintop in Tennessee, 1:17:42.439 --> 1:17:43.800 Green Ed State and Land of the Free? 1:17:43.880 --> 1:17:45.920 Yeah, we talk about it. We talk about how it's 1:17:45.920 --> 1:17:48.240 not true you've been duped, Seth. 1:17:49.240 --> 1:17:51.000 Disney's been lying to your old damn life. 1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:53.320 Seth. Well, I'm glad that you set the record straight. 1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:56.439 Yeah, there's a lot of myth around a little Crockett 1:17:56.439 --> 1:17:57.120 and Boone too. 1:17:57.360 --> 1:18:00.000 Yeah, well go listen and get get the truth. That's all. 1:18:00.160 --> 1:18:02.200 Get tune in the Crockett. And while while you're while 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:05.520 you're tuning in the crocket, Uh, go order Catch Carefish 1:18:05.760 --> 1:18:11.080 Count Stars, new kids activity book put out by US. 1:18:11.160 --> 1:18:16.120 I think you're gonna love it. Order it now, Chips 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:16.679 in June. 1:18:17.280 --> 1:18:22.040 Tell it is June. 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