Speaker 1: Welcome Back Man, Episode five, All the Smoke, My Brother
Speaker 1: Jack back five, Stephen dig Jesse Jackson, and my man,
Speaker 1: Sweet louke Man, appreciate you brow in the building, give
Speaker 1: me a song on the off day. On off day,
Speaker 1: you did. So. You're fifteen, huh years straight out of
Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, I was with your That was in
Speaker 1: your rookie year. I was with you, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: neither of us playing chilling both that, Like, it was
Speaker 1: different for me because I was just happy to be there.
Speaker 1: He was like, what then is going on? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that was we have from Rose to you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, to the greatest show on on
Speaker 1: the court. For a minute. Tell me what it was
Speaker 1: like coming straight out of high school. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: looked up the AI and then playing with him and
Speaker 1: having him as a mentor fresh out of high school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for me, it was it was mind blowing because I
Speaker 1: spent like, uh, my whole high school career like modeling
Speaker 1: my game after this dude. Like he's literally the reason
Speaker 1: why I even started getting tattoos, and he was so influental,
Speaker 1: influential in my life and I didn't even notice cat,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He was just like a
Speaker 1: role model to me that I didn't even know. And
Speaker 1: then going to the league and it's like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: that's my teammate now. And then it's set in, like
Speaker 1: what is he gonna like me? Like, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. In the first time we ever met um,
Speaker 1: it was a Charlie mac Um celebrity game in the summer,
Speaker 1: and he was already he was already drafted by that
Speaker 1: I got drafted and then invited me to come play
Speaker 1: in the game. So I go up to Philly and
Speaker 1: then it's just like this wave of people come in.
Speaker 1: You know, he keep his unto rocked. Hundred people come in.
Speaker 1: It's like motion, everybody going crazy, and I see him
Speaker 1: and I just kind of freeze, and out of all
Speaker 1: the people in the building, this dude locked the eyes
Speaker 1: with me and like walk directly to me and gave
Speaker 1: me a hug. And that's been my big brother. Man.
Speaker 1: That's that's a great FELM. I know it was, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: just it's like, you know what I'm saying, because like,
Speaker 1: all right, at least he embraced me enough to you know,
Speaker 1: at least speak to me, gett acknowledged by people. You
Speaker 1: look up to. That's all. That's always because I've had
Speaker 1: people let me down. Did I look up to? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Talk real talk. So what what was some of the
Speaker 1: stuff that you learned early on, because you know, you're
Speaker 1: a student before you actually got out there and got
Speaker 1: to do it. What is some of the stuff you
Speaker 1: learned from him? But just watching him every day from
Speaker 1: practice together on the line every day, you know, just
Speaker 1: you know, it's well documented how much how many injuries
Speaker 1: that he played through, um, all the pain that he
Speaker 1: played through, boken, broken bones and everything. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that you know, it always be remembered about
Speaker 1: the practice thing. But it's like he couldn't practice right,
Speaker 1: you know, he was so banged up. What you wanted
Speaker 1: on the game or you wanted to practice want, you know,
Speaker 1: but he just he laid it on the line for
Speaker 1: his teammates every single time he went out there. They
Speaker 1: don't understand, remember the biggest elbow versus actually having like
Speaker 1: tennis balls on his elbows every day. Man. Just And
Speaker 1: it's funny now because like it's gonna you're gonna be
Speaker 1: hard pressed to find a superstar a practice these days anyway. Anyway, Right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was just ahead of
Speaker 1: his time for sure. Going into the season. You like
Speaker 1: to kinda I mean, you stay in Atlanta, you guys
Speaker 1: do that whole program and you're real big on kind
Speaker 1: of working out and getting ready. What is that like
Speaker 1: for you year in year out? Seeing that you know
Speaker 1: where you started and where you came from. You need
Speaker 1: to change the program name though a little will program.
Speaker 1: I mean to me, I compared to like Jamal Croft,
Speaker 1: that's like I played with it. I mean, I see
Speaker 1: it one he gets fifty on one leg. If you
Speaker 1: want to league, we'll keep you humble. But you know
Speaker 1: we have to put some work in play with me.
Speaker 1: He's part of the crew. So but it's cool, man.
Speaker 1: It's an opportunity. We played out on the West side
Speaker 1: of Atlanta's opportunity for young kids that they probably don't
Speaker 1: make it to Philips Arena to see games and don't
Speaker 1: get to see pro so to bring guys in town. Um,
Speaker 1: they were able to see prim Kyrie irving in their neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You know, where you can walk in the gym and
Speaker 1: he and they're putting on the show. You know, you
Speaker 1: get to see that, You get to see a lot
Speaker 1: of different guys that come through that gym, and so
Speaker 1: for me to be a part of it, be a
Speaker 1: pillar run, it's cool. Um, how do you find out
Speaker 1: about PG? And Kauai was signing like me, I think
Speaker 1: I kind of knew, you know, from talking to Kauai
Speaker 1: a couple of days before. But how did you find out?
Speaker 1: I didn't know ship to be honest with. They reached
Speaker 1: out to me. Management reached out and said, ayum, we're
Speaker 1: gonna meet with Kauai. UM, here's his number if you
Speaker 1: want to say something to him. And I was thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave this dude alone because you know what's
Speaker 1: coming at him. Yeah, I'm like, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna swee his his decision either way, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And so I text him and I just said,
Speaker 1: what's up killer this little will? I know you're about
Speaker 1: to have your meeting. You got any questions about the
Speaker 1: coaches or anything? Just hit me keeping in one thousands
Speaker 1: possible and I left it and I left it there.
Speaker 1: He said, bet, I'm gonna go into the meeting. And
Speaker 1: I called you after he never called. It was like
Speaker 1: three or four days went by. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I blew it. Yeah. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: because we had never actually met, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I was like, there, I hope that wasn't part
Speaker 1: of it. And then, um, I was in Vegas in
Speaker 1: the Summer League. And it's funny, I had just seen
Speaker 1: Peg like ten minutes before I've seen him. He was
Speaker 1: he was playing uh craps. He was shooting craps. I
Speaker 1: was playing Roulette and we uh we spoke. He kept
Speaker 1: moving and then we were playing and then it was
Speaker 1: just like a bus in the um in the casino,
Speaker 1: and my man came up and tapped me while I
Speaker 1: was while I was making my best, he showed me
Speaker 1: its phone. So it was like Kahi Leonard agrees to
Speaker 1: play with the Clippers, and the Clippers trade for Paul George.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at like the fuck and so I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: go to World page. I don't believe it until I
Speaker 1: see it on old So we've seen it on old page.
Speaker 1: And my phone start ring and it was Pat Bev
Speaker 1: and Pat was in Vegas, Whitten, so he was like yo.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, come downstairs, I'm got the let's
Speaker 1: say we'll go downstairs. So it was cool and I
Speaker 1: saw that, Yeah, that was a Cao tripping out. We
Speaker 1: had a shot and then we kept gambler like, well,
Speaker 1: it's exciting to have them, but we started dealing with
Speaker 1: that in training, cap. Yeah, that's what's up. Tell me
Speaker 1: what that coat, that whole culture is like. I played
Speaker 1: there early. Um, you know, I played at the end
Speaker 1: of the what's the what's the dick CAD's name, at
Speaker 1: the end of the Sterling era? Yeah, okay, so that
Speaker 1: was that. That was right, you said. That was right
Speaker 1: end of the Sterling era and then into the Bomber
Speaker 1: era and it was it was night and day. Tell
Speaker 1: me what the organization is like now and the energy
Speaker 1: around it. My experience has been so positive. Um, just
Speaker 1: how I've been embraced by the city, in the organization.
Speaker 1: You know, I was at the crossroads in my career. Um,
Speaker 1: I didn't even want to be a Clipper. You know.
Speaker 1: That was the third team I had played for in
Speaker 1: six months, and so at that point I just didn't
Speaker 1: know what was happening. You know what I'm saying. That
Speaker 1: was my first time kind of going through something like
Speaker 1: that in my career, and so I just wasn't excited
Speaker 1: about getting bounced around. UM, and I think Doc had
Speaker 1: sensed that, and UM, you know, me and Doc had
Speaker 1: had we had a conversation, UM, and he just changed
Speaker 1: my perspective about being there. And so I went into
Speaker 1: training account with an open minde UM, and I went
Speaker 1: in with some guys that was on the same page
Speaker 1: as me. You know, Pat Bell, he's hungry to prove itself,
Speaker 1: hungry to prove his name, make his name in the NBA.
Speaker 1: Montrez was starting to come into his own. He wanted
Speaker 1: to prove his name. We had young guys coming in
Speaker 1: that wanted to be a part of the culture, wanted
Speaker 1: to be wanting to be accepted, and so I think
Speaker 1: we had like minds um and going into the season.
Speaker 1: And even though um, you know it didn't work out
Speaker 1: with Blake and Dre while they were there, you know,
Speaker 1: the experience was positive and so we just kept that
Speaker 1: momentum going. UM. We communicate, we got problems, we got
Speaker 1: we got grown in our locker room. We don't do
Speaker 1: no rookie hazing U. We like we you know, for
Speaker 1: me being a VET, me being the o G and
Speaker 1: just looking back at you know, how the league was
Speaker 1: carried I prefer to just grow him up, like man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, look, y'all,
Speaker 1: do your job, y'all do everything y'all supposed to do.
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna do all the Hazen ship. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna play them games with y'all. We want you all
Speaker 1: to look like men. He was brought up in a
Speaker 1: different time too. I was brought away. Yeah, he didn't
Speaker 1: really played like that, you know what I'm saying of
Speaker 1: posting him pouring water on my head. Other than that,
Speaker 1: I ain't wearing no pink backpack. We had that one
Speaker 1: incident on the bus at one time. Oh yeah, but
Speaker 1: even then, that's that's a whole different thing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: let Matt tell that I got paid. You want me
Speaker 1: tell whatever is that that that was? We was heading summer,
Speaker 1: I don't know where. I don't remember, but we made
Speaker 1: a bet that he had to drink a six pack.
Speaker 1: I didn't drink at the time. He didn't drink here.
Speaker 1: He was fresh out of high school as a kid.
Speaker 1: Still look like a kid. How much fun do you get?
Speaker 1: Teen thousand? Man, give me a farty and give me
Speaker 1: a six pack of parties? He made a six pack
Speaker 1: of alcohol and he couldn't drink a six packing on
Speaker 1: the bus ride, right. It was quick though, it was
Speaker 1: drink a six pack of beer before we got on
Speaker 1: the plane for fit and Grant ship that mother killed it.
Speaker 1: But he was so wet that we almost got like
Speaker 1: a little worried, like, damn, what the fun are we
Speaker 1: gonna carry loo? You know what I mean? So we
Speaker 1: kind of he kind of had his arms slumped on
Speaker 1: ai shoulder and then me and see where it was
Speaker 1: kind of in front, kind of just like he was
Speaker 1: out of there. He was still there, but he was,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he handed himself well,
Speaker 1: but he was sucked up. So we kind of had
Speaker 1: to like camouflage his ass up onto the plane. But
Speaker 1: that was kind of like from all I recalled, the
Speaker 1: only time, yeah, because he got big bread off it,
Speaker 1: you mean, But I think that was the only kind
Speaker 1: of time we ever did any kind of rookie ship.
Speaker 1: We wasn't really it was like you said, it was
Speaker 1: more on some grown man ship, like handing your business workout.
Speaker 1: You're not playing dude, you're supposed to do. But ship
Speaker 1: like that, that's that's more of a wait, that's you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because there was a lot
Speaker 1: of rookies on that team and they were exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Tell me what it's like now. The last year, I
Speaker 1: love the fact that you guys bought in, you got
Speaker 1: you guys are one of my favorite team last year.
Speaker 1: I really take pride in the Clippers because, like you,
Speaker 1: I got a chance to play for the Lakers and Clippers.
Speaker 1: And that's a whole another world. We'll get to that,
Speaker 1: but I took pride in trying to put the Clippers
Speaker 1: on the map. And it seems like once you guys
Speaker 1: bought in, that's where you guys are at. So so
Speaker 1: tell me what what's that like? Knowing that the Clippers
Speaker 1: have always been a little brother. You've been on the
Speaker 1: other end. But tell me what it's like taking pride
Speaker 1: and putting them on the matter. Our mindsets are perfect for,
Speaker 1: our personalities were perfect for. We like being underdog. Y'all
Speaker 1: get hit us with these six teen rings and all this,
Speaker 1: like it's cool, but we're working on hours. Though we're
Speaker 1: working on one day, we're gonna be be a part
Speaker 1: of you know, and and we carry it and we
Speaker 1: embrace it, you know, even though last year, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: even expected to make the playoffs. We were a fifty
Speaker 1: win team with no quote on quote superstar. But like
Speaker 1: you said, we bought in. We try us to each other.
Speaker 1: We loved each other, we love competing with each other
Speaker 1: for the dogs. We have a team for the dogs.
Speaker 1: And then you're bringing them to guys and it's like
Speaker 1: you still got the same core guys, same group of
Speaker 1: guys with that mindset, and you bring in two of
Speaker 1: the top five players in the league, you know, the
Speaker 1: skis and limits, and they have that. That's what I
Speaker 1: loved about. That's why I picked you guys from the
Speaker 1: jump to in the chain, because they don't have no egos,
Speaker 1: no agendas, their motherfucker's go out there and play hard
Speaker 1: on both ends. That's why I thought they fit. Because
Speaker 1: to me, it was a tricky situation sucking up you guys, chemistry.
Speaker 1: People on the outside, I don't understand how important chemistry
Speaker 1: bringing in the superstar with the ego or superstar and
Speaker 1: bullshit or fuck the whole team up, you know. So
Speaker 1: that's why I thought it was really strategic and important
Speaker 1: what you guys did, bringing two selfless, two way players
Speaker 1: to a team that aren't. We had a conversation with them, like, listen,
Speaker 1: we're not confused about who we are. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was the leading score on this team past two years.
Speaker 1: I know who y'all are. Now I'm gonna go back
Speaker 1: in my place and I'm gonna still start in my place,
Speaker 1: so we don't have no confusion about nothing that we're doing,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's the beautiful thing about
Speaker 1: our team, and you don't. You don't get that much
Speaker 1: from guys in the league either, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: just imagine what that even though they the two stars,
Speaker 1: just imagine what that did for them. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, coming in on a new team, and well,
Speaker 1: guys been needing to hear that they're welcome up. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's one of one of the favorite thing I remember
Speaker 1: about doctors, to be a star in your role, and
Speaker 1: you mentioned it. So I'm gonna go back to my
Speaker 1: role and I'm gonna be a starter that there's a
Speaker 1: role for everybody, you know what I mean. Obviously your
Speaker 1: role changed slightly. I mean, you're still gonna get your numbers,
Speaker 1: but you're just coming from mentality, right, mentality like I
Speaker 1: know I got two guys that deserve the ball in
Speaker 1: scenarios that I think I should have it as well,
Speaker 1: you know, last game, And that's a good problem to have. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: it's a good problem to have. Yeah, I come off
Speaker 1: a pick and roll. You can't help. You can't do nothing.
Speaker 1: I though a clean chest pass to the man for
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, you can easily took your man one
Speaker 1: on one. You can't help. So it's a good problem
Speaker 1: for us to have. Mentally, if we're on the same page,
Speaker 1: the sky's the limit up. So what do you what's
Speaker 1: your thought on this team? You guys haven't really even
Speaker 1: fully come together yet, but still you can tell even
Speaker 1: though I think you guys are fourth in the West,
Speaker 1: it's early glimpses of it. There's some saying flat like yeah,
Speaker 1: you see glimpses of it. Like we played in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: like we were sharp and it was like damn, okay,
Speaker 1: you kind of feel it. It's like, yeah, kind of
Speaker 1: feel it. And even when we have like rough games
Speaker 1: and we have we have some we have some some mistakes,
Speaker 1: we feel like it's communication. It's like, what was you
Speaker 1: thinking on that? Oh? I was trying to al right. Cool.
Speaker 1: So now we at got to go through that no more.
Speaker 1: And so even when we even when we have setbacks,
Speaker 1: we still build on it. Yeah, it's finding ways how
Speaker 1: to win. That's part of it though. Yeah. I know
Speaker 1: that from the outside looking the MPG and CHOI kind
Speaker 1: of quiet, like, who are the vocal leaders on your
Speaker 1: guys team? Um? I am and Pat for sure, you know,
Speaker 1: but those guys they Yeah, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people got quite messed up. He's a funny he's good dude. Man.
Speaker 1: He talks way more than I thought he did, especially
Speaker 1: like doing games. He want to win, but you want
Speaker 1: to win. To me, it's good though, to have two
Speaker 1: point guards as your most vocal on your team. I
Speaker 1: was just about to say that. And then not only
Speaker 1: you and Pat, y'all just not the vocal leaders. Y'all
Speaker 1: a big part of that team. So to have y'all
Speaker 1: being the head of the monster and to be the
Speaker 1: most vocal, that's a big part, bro, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I think a lot of the young guys
Speaker 1: on our team they follow our lead, you know, because
Speaker 1: of how we carry ourselves. What are your thoughts when
Speaker 1: we came into the league at a different time, I
Speaker 1: mean I played four teen, You played fourteen, you're going
Speaker 1: in your fifteenth year, so you came back. You came
Speaker 1: in in the early two thousands where there was no
Speaker 1: such thing as low management, like we touched on of
Speaker 1: like superstars practiced back then. You know, good players don't
Speaker 1: even practice, you know these days. So what is your thoughts,
Speaker 1: especially surrounding Kauai because it's such a big deal with
Speaker 1: low management, what is your thought on I don't well, see,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's the He shouldn't be the case
Speaker 1: that he's not the post boy post man, should he?
Speaker 1: You know, if the man can't play, can't play. But
Speaker 1: if they throw load management on it, it'll be a problem.
Speaker 1: But even on games that's not the back to bed,
Speaker 1: he can't play. So I don't think he's the poster
Speaker 1: child for it. As far as guy's just not playing
Speaker 1: for the hell of not playing, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I'm a the old school. I don't know. I still
Speaker 1: play for the kid that've never seen me play before,
Speaker 1: you know, so if I can lace up, I'm a
Speaker 1: lace up um. And you know what else, man, the
Speaker 1: game is so different now because it's it's so many
Speaker 1: good players, so many good teams, and everything has to
Speaker 1: be so strategic. You've got the numbers involved in it. Now,
Speaker 1: you've got the analytics, sports scientists. You got all this
Speaker 1: ship in the game. And it's like, why have all
Speaker 1: of these assets if you're not gonna use them? So
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of fifty with me. You know, if
Speaker 1: guys could play, I think they should play. But you're
Speaker 1: spending all this money on this science, man, and the
Speaker 1: science is telling you X, Y and Z you might
Speaker 1: as well use it. Tell me what's your thoughts on
Speaker 1: one and done? Should that? Should that rule be eliminated?
Speaker 1: Should you be able to go out of high school?
Speaker 1: And you I mean you're coming straight from the school.
Speaker 1: There's the guys that's held this league up are from
Speaker 1: high school. You had a famous quote about you know
Speaker 1: who's kind of been the pillars of this league and
Speaker 1: talk to us about that. Yeah, KG, Kobe Broun, these
Speaker 1: are the guys that carried this business straight out of
Speaker 1: high school, you know what I mean? Like, so what
Speaker 1: a year? What is a year in college gonna do?
Speaker 1: Because if you're going just for the year, you're not
Speaker 1: going for the education. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And now you see the young kids,
Speaker 1: they're going around it. They're going to prep school, they're
Speaker 1: going to the going overseas, they're doing all types of
Speaker 1: they're doing anything to not go to I've never been
Speaker 1: a fan of the n C double as you know,
Speaker 1: my my senior year in high school, I literally couldn't
Speaker 1: find a reason to go to college. So I didn't
Speaker 1: care where I was gonna get drafted. I knew I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to nobody college. Waking up at five in
Speaker 1: the morning trying to figure out how I'm eating lunchtime.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I just that never was
Speaker 1: a that never was appealing to me, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I'm struggling to need at home. Why
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ten miles ten hours away to go
Speaker 1: struggle up ten hours away out of here. I'm struggling. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm happy that they're starting to put some kind of
Speaker 1: legislation in where uh you know, these kids that have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be able to benefit off their own
Speaker 1: names and their likenesses. You know, you go to the
Speaker 1: fans stores, they're selling the jersey without your name on it.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody is making money off of you. But
Speaker 1: you you know what I'm saying. It's it's simple, ship.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, take the money out. I don't
Speaker 1: even know how I mun eat. Like your coach can't
Speaker 1: go buy you a nice dinner. That's ridiculous to me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I think I think
Speaker 1: the rule is stupid to have it one and done. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, these the best guys are gonna find their
Speaker 1: way into the NBA anyways. You know, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So you might as well create a vehicle
Speaker 1: for them to realistically live their dreams and benefit you
Speaker 1: on the business side as well. Would have been some
Speaker 1: of your favorite moments throughout your career on the court?
Speaker 1: Favorite moment the ten six million year, the ten with
Speaker 1: the Tim Tropis you got it home? Yeah? My first
Speaker 1: one was my favorite one. My my first year two
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, I was with Toronto and that one was
Speaker 1: special because I was I was playing in my hometown Atlanta,
Speaker 1: UM toward my a c L and my head coach
Speaker 1: told me like, I don't know if you'll be the
Speaker 1: same player again, and you know, it's just not working here.
Speaker 1: So I'm five a home for you somewhere else, and
Speaker 1: then you know, for them to kind of them to
Speaker 1: ship me to somewhere. And when my first six Man
Speaker 1: of the Year and my my one and only season there,
Speaker 1: that was special to me and the group of guys
Speaker 1: that I did it with. Three I've won three and
Speaker 1: I've been a runner up twice and I lost one
Speaker 1: to James Harden. That's bullshit. So arguably, when you think
Speaker 1: about it, coming out of high school, do you ever
Speaker 1: think you would be in the toss of one of
Speaker 1: the greatest six men in the history of the game. No.
Speaker 1: I thought I was been a superstar, you know, don't
Speaker 1: we all think that? But yo, yo, high school games
Speaker 1: was like some butter rim type ship and so I
Speaker 1: felt that way. It's like, I'm gonna be one of
Speaker 1: the best players in the league. You know. My route
Speaker 1: took me somewhere different, and so it took me a
Speaker 1: while to kind of embrace it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because we all strive to be the best player in
Speaker 1: the league. We all strive to be one of the
Speaker 1: guys that's on on every commercial, have your own shoes
Speaker 1: and all of that. You know, Like years six or seven.
Speaker 1: I realized that was my rote, you know, So I
Speaker 1: could either carry this chip on my shoulder and be upset,
Speaker 1: or I can carry this chip on my shoulder to say,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna make it embarrassing for y'all to have
Speaker 1: me coming off the bench, you know, And I chose
Speaker 1: the letter. What is? What is your thoughts on that though?
Speaker 1: Like if they say, Lottle, what you wanna do you
Speaker 1: want to start to come off the bench? What would
Speaker 1: you say? At this point? I'm just I am who
Speaker 1: I am at this point, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you know, doctor start me every once in a
Speaker 1: while and just um, just to mix it up. But
Speaker 1: I think it's just who I am now, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, just a six man. I mean, like
Speaker 1: we know, at the end of day, it don't matter
Speaker 1: because you're gonna play starters minutes something in the fourth car.
Speaker 1: That's what I tell people. You know, you don't start,
Speaker 1: you started, like all that ship don't matter, Like who
Speaker 1: is in at the last two or three minutes of
Speaker 1: the game. It was the only thing. It affixes the money,
Speaker 1: m It definitely affects that. That's what it affects, you know.
Speaker 1: Because people are you should be making this, You should
Speaker 1: making that. That's another reason why I don't mean to
Speaker 1: cut you off. That's another reason why I think the
Speaker 1: city appreciates you so much, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because they know you could have went somewhere else and
Speaker 1: got more money. You know, everybody in the world know
Speaker 1: that the answers of this buil didn't know that it
Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't have been happy though, like the places
Speaker 1: that I had deals on the table. It just it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been fulfilling to me, especially with everything that
Speaker 1: I had built with this particular group of guys, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I took a little bit
Speaker 1: less than um what I could have got, but it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have the money when it did nothing for my happiness,
Speaker 1: you know, and especially where I was in my life,
Speaker 1: my kids loving in l A. I found a found
Speaker 1: a home, you know what I mean. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I played three teams in six months. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to move again. Was that Lakers Houston back to l A.
Speaker 1: Tell me what that was like. Because we've both been
Speaker 1: traded and bounced around, and that people don't understand like
Speaker 1: family wise, life wise, you just gotta pick up and
Speaker 1: no matter what and moved. So tell me what that
Speaker 1: and they can follow you and press Child's on your
Speaker 1: every state too. Let me say that I know that man. Well,
Speaker 1: we talked about all kinds of ship on him bro
Speaker 1: every stage to try to tap your hand. Let me
Speaker 1: get some of that go ahead. That's why I was
Speaker 1: at one point I was going rare a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: you need to put that put on your whole body.
Speaker 1: Just put that bitch all the way on the topic.
Speaker 1: I had to clip, I had to go forgive go ahead.
Speaker 1: But it was it was a roller coaster. I knew
Speaker 1: I was gonna get traded from the Lakers. I knew
Speaker 1: that was coming. Uh. I think the last game for
Speaker 1: All Star break, I checked out of the game and
Speaker 1: all the coaches stood up, was like, thanks for everything
Speaker 1: you did. What Yeah, like I think I think you know.
Speaker 1: I was. I was like, this is it? So who
Speaker 1: was coaching there? Luke Luke wah yeah, so you don't
Speaker 1: get me on his Yeah. But I knew that was
Speaker 1: coming and so UM I was working out All Star
Speaker 1: weekend in Atlanta, UM and got traded to Houston and
Speaker 1: then UM Houston, I liked being there. Um, I thought
Speaker 1: we could have did something special. I wish they had
Speaker 1: been a little bit more patient with with the process.
Speaker 1: Um I was in China, got traded again, and so
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I don't know what the fun
Speaker 1: is going on, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: they trade me to the Clippers. And then they still
Speaker 1: had Jamal at the time, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: you don't make no sense. Yeah, it don't make like
Speaker 1: what are y'all trying to do? And then you know,
Speaker 1: they started making some moves and and like I said,
Speaker 1: I had that conversation with Doc Man and every I
Speaker 1: think the whole course of my career changed after that.
Speaker 1: You know, I've had my best shops in looking back
Speaker 1: on my career, Like I funk with Doc. I just
Speaker 1: think when I was there, he had a lot of hats.
Speaker 1: So I want to say he was president GM and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So there just wasn't really
Speaker 1: there was too much kind of whispering and and not
Speaker 1: truth coming to the surface, you know. I mean. But
Speaker 1: our particular incident was, um, we had just lost the
Speaker 1: Golden State. Um and goes that they beat our ass
Speaker 1: and Blake and DJ didn't have the best games, but
Speaker 1: for some reason just that day he wanted to go
Speaker 1: at me in the film room. And I'm someone you
Speaker 1: can coach with me. You could yell at me, you
Speaker 1: could do whatever you want. You're just not gonna disrespect
Speaker 1: me as a man. That's like where I d and
Speaker 1: funk who you are. That's where I draw the line.
Speaker 1: So he got mad at like the two shots I took.
Speaker 1: I took two shots in the game. He like complained
Speaker 1: off both, like I had a corner three that I
Speaker 1: shot that I should have passed to Blake when he
Speaker 1: was cutting down the middle, and and I had another
Speaker 1: three points that I should have gave to Jamal. I'm
Speaker 1: just looking at this to like, mother funk. I took
Speaker 1: two shots and we lost by thirty. What the funk
Speaker 1: are you talking about? You know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it was just a situation. It was kind of weird.
Speaker 1: And then he came at me for something. I'm just like, yeo, man,
Speaker 1: fuck this. So I like got up and everyone in
Speaker 1: the room like, because I remember DJ was sitting next
Speaker 1: to me, he like patting me on my leg like
Speaker 1: a little dog to keep me calm, and which is funny.
Speaker 1: Because DJ is I can feel sick, but he it
Speaker 1: came from us though, because you know, DJ didn't used
Speaker 1: to be that way. So I got up and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh ship, and they're like, oh, chill, chill.
Speaker 1: So I walked, you know how the film room. I'm
Speaker 1: over in the corner and you gotta walk past the
Speaker 1: coaches to get out. So I just man, I was
Speaker 1: got up and I was just heated. So I walked
Speaker 1: out the room and then I went in the back
Speaker 1: and like fucking I'm just gonna go home, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, no, I can't. I can't let my team
Speaker 1: down like that. So I saw on the TV that
Speaker 1: we were done with film and they're out on the
Speaker 1: court stretching. So I went back out on the court,
Speaker 1: start stretching, mad as fuck, not saying nothing to nobody,
Speaker 1: and this this motherfucker comes over me and tells me
Speaker 1: to flip my jersey over and he's gonna put Jamal
Speaker 1: with the starters and put me on the second team.
Speaker 1: So I look at him and I took my jersey
Speaker 1: off and I threw it. He's like, put your jersey back,
Speaker 1: goes like these motherfucker's know what team I'm on, so
Speaker 1: I didn't have no jersey. The whole practice went out
Speaker 1: hard killed in practice, and then we played. I was
Speaker 1: on one even some of the butt. See I think
Speaker 1: Doc was one. Yeah, yeah, he didn't like what he
Speaker 1: didn't like what almost happened to him. But so then
Speaker 1: we went hard in practice. You know, some of the
Speaker 1: coach came up and talked to me, you know, so
Speaker 1: you know it was just this and that trying to
Speaker 1: defuse the situation. But you had coaches before like that
Speaker 1: little exchange where you took your jersey off. They're not
Speaker 1: doing it until you leave because they can't accept that
Speaker 1: type of like doctor, Doctor plays the players coach and
Speaker 1: right because you know, and yeah, he's gonna challenge you.
Speaker 1: Some coaches I've been with down they're gonna security get
Speaker 1: him utter. It's like you're my coach, like security bro.
Speaker 1: So and so I go home. We played four than
Speaker 1: early the next day, and I can't sleep the whole night,
Speaker 1: and I stopped smoking too for a little bit, so
Speaker 1: night I started chain smoking. Probably smoke like three or
Speaker 1: four joints that night. Maddest Fun couldn't sleep, got to
Speaker 1: the gym earliest, Fun started shooting. We went to shoot
Speaker 1: around and before we broke, like right when we brought
Speaker 1: it in, and I just, you know, I just dogs like,
Speaker 1: you know, you can coach me, you can yell at me,
Speaker 1: you could do whatever, just don't disrespect me as a man.
Speaker 1: And then you know, he said his part and it
Speaker 1: kind of started getting heated, and he's like, you think
Speaker 1: you're tough. I was like what, so like it got
Speaker 1: super like he almost like was trying to poke me.
Speaker 1: So it chilled out. We went through shoot around and
Speaker 1: then we went back in the locker room to watch
Speaker 1: film at to shoot around, and Mike Woodsons tried to
Speaker 1: say something and I was like, Mike, don't start, because
Speaker 1: you can get it too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So everyone calmed down, and then Doc said some more
Speaker 1: ship to me and then stormed off his office. So
Speaker 1: I stormed after him in his office and everyone like
Speaker 1: trying to pull me back, and we sat now and
Speaker 1: had a little conversation, but it was just a little
Speaker 1: heated back and forth. Looking back on it, you think, right,
Speaker 1: looking back, I mean I funk with Doc, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like I said, I think I was
Speaker 1: going through a divorce at the time, so I was
Speaker 1: kind of on edge. He was going through whatever he
Speaker 1: was going through, so we was kind of on edge
Speaker 1: and we talked obviously talked to and made amends. But
Speaker 1: like you said, he is someone that you can have,
Speaker 1: that you can go back at, and you gotta respect
Speaker 1: that because, like you said, a lot of culture you
Speaker 1: yeah at, you cuss that, and that's it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that was it for me. I got traded. I was
Speaker 1: the first traded. The motherfucker we care for Lance Stevenson
Speaker 1: and we ended up on the same team that year.
Speaker 1: But you know, to to see what he's done for
Speaker 1: you guys. Like I said, I always loved him as
Speaker 1: a coach. I just thought our differences was when he
Speaker 1: had a lot of different hats and there was a
Speaker 1: lot of rumbles in that locker room about you know,
Speaker 1: him not being this and then his son coming in
Speaker 1: and all this others not crazy kind of stuff. So
Speaker 1: it was just a a feisty situation. But we had
Speaker 1: so much talent on that team, like but we would
Speaker 1: always get in our own ways. So that's why I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see. Like I said, I still love the Clippers,
Speaker 1: so I'm excited to see what you guys are doing.
Speaker 1: Now because I feel like you guys have just as much,
Speaker 1: if not more talented, Lob City had obviously, but you
Speaker 1: guys have a real chance to win the championship, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think that's dope because it hasn't been done
Speaker 1: for that franchise. I always wanted to know that because, yeah,
Speaker 1: because y'all should have documented, you know what I'm saying that,
Speaker 1: So when I've been around Dog, like damn that ain't
Speaker 1: that have been my experience with you? Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I know you. I know how cool you are,
Speaker 1: but I know as a teammate fightst you are. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, how competitive you I saw. Always
Speaker 1: just wanted to know, like what was your disconnection? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because I like both of y'all.
Speaker 1: So tell me what it was like playing with the
Speaker 1: Lakers and getting the chest to play with Colde on
Speaker 1: his way out. That was interesting being out being excuse
Speaker 1: for getting that being I need to pack that Kobe
Speaker 1: pack that just dropped. It was three different shoes and
Speaker 1: my boxes again like MJ, give me my give me,
Speaker 1: this is my shoes. Second Cold it's a new pack,
Speaker 1: undefeated pack. That's what it's called. I need all them boys, third,
Speaker 1: two fourths, you need four team? What about MJ. He
Speaker 1: might have never heard you from last We'll get back
Speaker 1: to them. It's about Kobe right now now. I think, Um,
Speaker 1: I wish I could have played with Code like when yeah,
Speaker 1: when he was cold, like I felt like he could
Speaker 1: have did something special for my career. UM number eight Code, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I take an early I don't. I just think it
Speaker 1: wasn't it wouldn't manage right, you know. I think we
Speaker 1: could have been a lot better than we were. It
Speaker 1: kind of just turned into like like some hard and
Speaker 1: globe try to ship like, you know, because it was
Speaker 1: like at first it didn't it wasn't the It wasn't
Speaker 1: the farewell tour, you know, the two season w not
Speaker 1: to get you off? Two season one season with him?
Speaker 1: Did I play two seasons with Cole? I didn't play
Speaker 1: two seasons? Yeah, yeah, I did play two seasons with Code.
Speaker 1: So but the first one he was he was, he
Speaker 1: was hurt the majority of the town. Um. The second one, uh,
Speaker 1: it turned into the farewell See it turned to the
Speaker 1: farewell tour. And then at the same time it was
Speaker 1: like they were trying to develop the young guys, and
Speaker 1: I was like, realistically, you can't. You can't do both.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't develop these young guys and then
Speaker 1: tell them that like that ship don't matter when the
Speaker 1: game starts, you know what I'm saying. So it was
Speaker 1: just it just it wouldn't manage, It wouldn't manage. Great.
Speaker 1: But as far as uh, as far as Coke god Man,
Speaker 1: he was super cool. Um. I enjoyed competing with him, um,
Speaker 1: and just just being around him. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's just a different energy when you're around him and
Speaker 1: you want to flow with him. Yeah, I said, I
Speaker 1: mean I got a chance to, Like you played with Ai,
Speaker 1: played with Chris Paul, super competitive dudes. But to me,
Speaker 1: there's no one more competitive. Yah See, I didn't. We
Speaker 1: didn't get We didn't. We didn't get that part of
Speaker 1: the experience. Like every once in a while, yeah did
Speaker 1: he would say some ship did it. The whole room
Speaker 1: was like, like we had a he gonna be mad
Speaker 1: at this. We got blue out uh in Portland's and
Speaker 1: he came in the locker room and he was like,
Speaker 1: from now on out, every time down the court, I
Speaker 1: touched the ball, y'all, gonna learn what it's like to
Speaker 1: play with Kobe Bean fucking Frock And I'm looking like serious.
Speaker 1: And so Nick Young played for last we go, we
Speaker 1: showering ship, We come back, Nick walk in the locker rooms,
Speaker 1: y'all better throw that but the ball, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: some ship around here. Like Nick never took anything serious style,
Speaker 1: but we just got the ship kicked out of us,
Speaker 1: and Cold wasn't going for you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is so I just think mentally like he meant that ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I just think at that
Speaker 1: point's body just didn't give him what he wanted. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of miles, man and stuff. You know, because
Speaker 1: I got shocked the same way in Phoenix, you know, right,
Speaker 1: miss prime shock. So I got shocked. That was still cool.
Speaker 1: But he was just he's on the other end of
Speaker 1: the spectrum. He was like a seven ft three, big
Speaker 1: ass kid, you know, pulling pranks. But I was just saying,
Speaker 1: like you would see flashes every once in a while,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, goddamn, like this, that's crazy, right. Like
Speaker 1: the last game, Like the last game he played, he
Speaker 1: went for sixties, went for sixty, like literally when mother
Speaker 1: fuckers said I'm gonna leave it all out on the floor.
Speaker 1: That's what he did. Believe it. Who was some of
Speaker 1: the best young players that that you look at in
Speaker 1: the league right now that you like Shay Gil just
Speaker 1: Alexander game. Uh, that won't hurt you got a real game.
Speaker 1: I remember dr was real hesitant on trading him too.
Speaker 1: That won't hurt when when when Shay left, because you
Speaker 1: can just see him get better every day, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you literally watched this kid grow
Speaker 1: day in and day out. I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: real special man. M John Moran and Memphis that motherfucker's
Speaker 1: called like he's one of the young kids. I like,
Speaker 1: I'm going on NBA TV like Memphis, I'm watching that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I really like I really
Speaker 1: liked them too. For sure. Guys not in the league
Speaker 1: right now, like Jamal Crawford j R. Smith that we
Speaker 1: know can play. You know, Carmello just got picked up.
Speaker 1: Like what are your thoughts on situations like that, Sticky Man,
Speaker 1: because it's like ship, it's gonna be a funeral for
Speaker 1: us all one day, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: should we all gonna feel like we still can play.
Speaker 1: I did you know what I'm saying? When you was done,
Speaker 1: did you felt like you can still go? Right? I
Speaker 1: just have to go punish the Big three D to
Speaker 1: get it out of some type of the clippers, the
Speaker 1: last thing you play with when you came out with
Speaker 1: us and you got the shortened stick, because I thought
Speaker 1: you should have definitely what what was the situation there? Uh,
Speaker 1: someone got hurt. I just stopped playing and Chris Paul
Speaker 1: broke his hand and they needed to bring That's right,
Speaker 1: So I think it. I think it just it gets
Speaker 1: sticky with that because you know, you know that these guys,
Speaker 1: you know that they season vets. You know they can
Speaker 1: give you something. But then it's like they've created all
Speaker 1: these avenues to develop young guys. Yeah, you know it's like,
Speaker 1: so do you do you give that opportunity to a
Speaker 1: to a vet that you know you can give someone
Speaker 1: you can develop this kid and see what he can
Speaker 1: give it to you. So it's so difficult, man. You
Speaker 1: think you think they confused though, like when they when
Speaker 1: when you walk in the locker room and they see
Speaker 1: you, you you think they still think you about two years old? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. I think, so, benj come on one in
Speaker 1: with no grades. Three. How many more years you feel
Speaker 1: like you got or want to play good ones? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like four? And then I'm still as well. Is that
Speaker 1: a goal you ever think about that coming out of
Speaker 1: high school? Yeah? I can get twenty. Only thing that
Speaker 1: has stopped me if my kids tell me to stop.
Speaker 1: You know, my daughters, my daughters at eight and five.
Speaker 1: I got a son on the way, um daughter hooping
Speaker 1: and my daughter hoop and so I want to be
Speaker 1: there for her. I want to be there for her process.
Speaker 1: My five year old daughter, she's into acting her personality
Speaker 1: of phill up a room. So I want to be
Speaker 1: there for you know, for their development. You know, I
Speaker 1: really want them to be up and popping. And then
Speaker 1: I come into the scene, you know, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I try to let my eight year old
Speaker 1: daughter just do her own thing in basketball, and I
Speaker 1: leave her alone. And if she asked me something or
Speaker 1: she she wants some advice, I kind of poked my
Speaker 1: head in. Other than that, I just let him be kids.
Speaker 1: But I want to be there for you know, if
Speaker 1: you can't get that time back, you can't get it back,
Speaker 1: especially at a time, so impressionable man, and so the
Speaker 1: only the only reason I was stopping if they tell
Speaker 1: me the stuff that was my thing too. I had
Speaker 1: just signed the year I won the championship, will going
Speaker 1: to State two thatand seventeen. I signed a three year
Speaker 1: deal earlier with Sacramento. But it was it was crazy.
Speaker 1: As much as my boys love basketball and come to games,
Speaker 1: would come visit me in the bay. Like one night
Speaker 1: we were sitting up watching TV and they're just like, Daddy,
Speaker 1: we missed when used to take us to school. And
Speaker 1: that ship broke my whole heart. So my daughter did
Speaker 1: that to me one time. Um last year, I was
Speaker 1: packing my bag and she was cool as ever. She
Speaker 1: laying in my bed on her I pad and she said, Daddy,
Speaker 1: ask your question. I said, what's up? She said, Uh,
Speaker 1: you don't get tired of leaving us. I was on
Speaker 1: my way at the door four road trip and that
Speaker 1: ship broke my heart, like it my whole day up
Speaker 1: because it's like we're kind of naive, like what I
Speaker 1: ain't saying that they ain't tripping like that ship bothered
Speaker 1: them to you know what I'm saying. And so when
Speaker 1: she when she put that on me it was different,
Speaker 1: and then it was like a blessing in disguise. Like
Speaker 1: the very next year, she turned into a basketball fan.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, is so because we had
Speaker 1: the parent advisory on her TV, so the only thing
Speaker 1: that she could watch it was like Nickelodeon, UM Disney
Speaker 1: and NBA TV, and she was kind of growing out
Speaker 1: of the kids ship, and so she watched NBA TV
Speaker 1: and she like basically coached herself into being a fan
Speaker 1: of the game. And so that kind of re energized
Speaker 1: what she saw me going through and and everything like that,
Speaker 1: and so she kind of gave me another boost instead
Speaker 1: of wanted me to come home. So we'll see how
Speaker 1: long that last. Tell me what it's like being and
Speaker 1: we touched what is it like being a father? And
Speaker 1: you got your first boy on the way, Tell me
Speaker 1: what that's like. Oh lord, I'm excited. I feel like
Speaker 1: this this is would be my like my first challenge
Speaker 1: is like a father. You know what I'm saying. The girls,
Speaker 1: you kind of you kind of give a lot of
Speaker 1: responsibility to the mom, you know what I'm saying. With
Speaker 1: a boy, you wanted to be just like a mirror
Speaker 1: imager yourself you know, and you gotta put, you gotta
Speaker 1: put that time. So I'm excited. You guys got a
Speaker 1: name picked out. Yeah, six six six. Yeah, that's that's dope. Dope.
Speaker 1: Take us back to Christmas Eve two thousand eleven, Europe
Speaker 1: almost robbed at gunpoint. Yeah, tell us about that story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I get my hair cut in the hood and
Speaker 1: Philly it's gray. Second, just keep real. You do everything
Speaker 1: in the hood. You ain't never changed. And let me
Speaker 1: tell you how too. If you look on the map
Speaker 1: in on Atlanta, Georgia, you're gonna see lou Willville. Facts. Facts,
Speaker 1: this is real facts. Proud of my boy. But I
Speaker 1: was in Philly and I was actually with my man
Speaker 1: and um just for disclosures, since is y'all. Of course
Speaker 1: he was scrapped, yeah, of course, protecting each other. And
Speaker 1: so when I was done getting my hair cut, I
Speaker 1: was at the light and I remember but he called me.
Speaker 1: He said, Yo, you're good. I see I'm going home.
Speaker 1: He said, all right, bet, And I watched him. You
Speaker 1: turned behind me and go the other way here you turned.
Speaker 1: I looked down at my phone at the light and
Speaker 1: I just heard click, click click. Somebody knocked on my window.
Speaker 1: Look up, Bro got the gun on me. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but I rolled the window down. That's just
Speaker 1: that's just where my mind took me. I rolled the
Speaker 1: window down, and he like, get out of the car.
Speaker 1: And I said huh. And when I said huh, he
Speaker 1: looked at me. He said, Lou, I can't even do
Speaker 1: it to you, Bro, I got too much love for you.
Speaker 1: And at that time, um Me and Meek Me and
Speaker 1: Meek Mill, we was doing a lot of coach drives.
Speaker 1: Wh was doing a lot of stuff in the communities.
Speaker 1: Um that particular community. You know, we just we just
Speaker 1: had our footprint on it. Um that's his neighborhood. Um
Speaker 1: Philly had adopted me. And so whatever I was doing
Speaker 1: over there, he would get behind me. Whatever he was doing,
Speaker 1: I would get behind him. Nonetheless, he was doing a
Speaker 1: lot for that community at the time. And the dude said,
Speaker 1: he said, man, I can't even do it to you.
Speaker 1: He said, man, I just got out of jail. All
Speaker 1: I got is this gun and a bus token to
Speaker 1: get home. Bro, I ain't got nothing to eat. And
Speaker 1: I just was thinking fast. I looked. I said, look, Bros.
Speaker 1: McDonald's right there. You meet me at the McDonald's. I
Speaker 1: buy you whatever you want to eat. He's all right, cool.
Speaker 1: So my first start was do I let him get
Speaker 1: in my car? I was like, hell no, So I
Speaker 1: just I started driving first. So I drove went into
Speaker 1: the McDonald's, and I watched them running across the street
Speaker 1: to the McDonald's. So while he run into the McDonald
Speaker 1: call man pull the McDonalds the McDonald's. So they've made
Speaker 1: the story like I sat down at eight with him
Speaker 1: on some hell dog that motherfucker order food. I swiped
Speaker 1: my car, I shook his hand. I said, God blessed bro.
Speaker 1: But this ain't the way. By that time, my man
Speaker 1: was walking in McDonald's. I got the funk out of
Speaker 1: So that's the that's the real story. They thought it
Speaker 1: didn't like that. Y'all probably each other. That's that. That's great,
Speaker 1: that's lucky. But I mean, shout out to home me
Speaker 1: whoever he is. But that's that's the testament to who
Speaker 1: you are, though, Like a buster would have got smoked
Speaker 1: and robbed right there. You know what I'm saying. The
Speaker 1: fact that you was in the community, the fact that
Speaker 1: they know you'd be around there like that, that says
Speaker 1: a lot about you, bro. Very few players could do
Speaker 1: that because I was down bad keeping real yeah, scared shitless,
Speaker 1: ain't gonna flex. Okay. So I was just in the
Speaker 1: Lanta at your side of listening party to the new project. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm one of those guys that drop projects, you know,
Speaker 1: doing my career. While I was playing, you one of
Speaker 1: the only one of the very few rappers to actually
Speaker 1: put their music out, you know, talk about your new
Speaker 1: project and and where you see yourself going with the music.
Speaker 1: I just have fun, you know, and the underground go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: For me, I just want to be part of the conversation.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to be like an artist, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I don't even want to be
Speaker 1: like what you are. Bro. I know that, but you
Speaker 1: haven't you having full silent listening parties like rappers have
Speaker 1: with with the DJs. You have plenty For me, Like
Speaker 1: that makes me happy. I like, I just want my
Speaker 1: friends to be like that. Ship hard. But that's what
Speaker 1: I said. You've seen me and you've seen me in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it is hard. Um, shout out the injury. My
Speaker 1: manager man, she just yeah, she was like, Bro, you
Speaker 1: spend so much money on this ship. And so much
Speaker 1: time on it, like either you're gonna put it out
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna put it you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so, Um, it was supposed to come out already. UM,
Speaker 1: now we're looking for Um. We probably put it at
Speaker 1: All Star weekend. UM. I just wanted to feel a
Speaker 1: certain way. I wanted to look a certain way. UM.
Speaker 1: I had a documentary that was gonna come out with it, Um,
Speaker 1: a movie. We ended up getting into some with the
Speaker 1: With the documentary, it's no longer. Um. We had merch
Speaker 1: to go with it. The merchant still gonna come out. UM.
Speaker 1: I had a I had a sample on the on
Speaker 1: the project. I didn't know I had a sample on it. Um.
Speaker 1: We was having a hard time getting that clear. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So everything had kind of just got backed up. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna release it in February, just to give us
Speaker 1: some more time to get organized. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: wanted to feel and look a certain way. I don't
Speaker 1: want it to be rushed. So how many what number?
Speaker 1: What what number? Project number three? Number three? You have
Speaker 1: any you ever thought about anybody players you want to
Speaker 1: work with? Man Damon actually had a conversation about doing
Speaker 1: something I sent him a record um to get on
Speaker 1: and he never sent it back and we never had
Speaker 1: another conversation about it. So I don't know where that's staying.
Speaker 1: But um Shump used to record at my house in
Speaker 1: my studio, but we never did music together. But he
Speaker 1: always was recording in my spot. Other than that, I
Speaker 1: don't really know. Yeah, I talked to all y'all about
Speaker 1: doing music together before I got an ego ship. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I think we need to get together so too. I
Speaker 1: did not take you off a song what the one
Speaker 1: you and Katie did only at the top. I took
Speaker 1: you off that. I went crazy on that. You took
Speaker 1: me off that joint. It came out and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, that's that's how you found Actually when they came,
Speaker 1: I actually sent you that song to get all out.
Speaker 1: I sent it back it was done. You told me
Speaker 1: it was fired and you took me off and he
Speaker 1: told me money of women don't matter what. I followed
Speaker 1: living like fourth thought and I'm turning up like Anozer
Speaker 1: Hayters want to hate. But on Twitter, they still followed
Speaker 1: on my Instagram like more pictures than models. You didn't
Speaker 1: cursey that. I did not curse. I said, I don't
Speaker 1: remember it on the not his herd. No, no, no no,
Speaker 1: don't blame it on the weed, and don't blame it.
Speaker 1: I don't honestly don't remember. I honestly don't remember. But well,
Speaker 1: let's do another. I remember I remember the song because
Speaker 1: that's why I don't remember you, because Katie didn't. He
Speaker 1: didn't get behind the song. Oh he didn't push it.
Speaker 1: No he didn't, and he didn't behind the song, and
Speaker 1: then they made us make that made us do it clean.
Speaker 1: I actually don't remember you getting on the song, so
Speaker 1: we did. All of you probably got caught up into
Speaker 1: Katie ship and trying to get him to do it
Speaker 1: because I didn't. I didn't like a day for you.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That was a quick return to that's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you probably honestly, I get it, though, because sometimes
Speaker 1: if if somebody do something for me and I got
Speaker 1: a lot going on and it's quick, I have to
Speaker 1: go through my files and be like, oh we did
Speaker 1: because because you know, you know how, because I didn't
Speaker 1: call you twenty times about doing something that's hot. That's
Speaker 1: how I don't remember that. He took me off the
Speaker 1: last song. Keep doing that's crazy, shout out the shop
Speaker 1: for doing the BT cipher at the Hip Hop Awards.
Speaker 1: I think we should all do it, man, I've been
Speaker 1: said that too. That show I did and that was
Speaker 1: when I told you that was I did. You said
Speaker 1: we should do it, I said, and I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Put it together? Well that is BT. Look the next
Speaker 1: site for need to be me shop your Dame lou
Speaker 1: ba Q six man get up, went head up with
Speaker 1: dames be singing. Get him on that. I'm cool. I'm
Speaker 1: cock that really sing though, Yeah I'm not. I'm cool.
Speaker 1: I could be cool. I could be cool over it up.
Speaker 1: But with some of the people you look up to
Speaker 1: in the music game right now? Who was some of
Speaker 1: your favorite artists? He's a dream chasing let me. I
Speaker 1: don't hope you don't know that he the meek ain't
Speaker 1: just friends now, Motherer got to change. He's a dream
Speaker 1: chasing family for I'm a holiday. I'm going to go
Speaker 1: holidayn when I leave here. I want to change ship.
Speaker 1: Just I think about all the smoke I'm to answer
Speaker 1: some ship. Clothes never get fed, you know what I'm saying. Clothes, mom,
Speaker 1: never get fed. Me get to the right channel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody going hit me, get my baby, mama, chain within
Speaker 1: them little one, make him like uh miek is one
Speaker 1: of my favorites because I know he tells the truth. Um,
Speaker 1: Little Wayne has always been my all time. I think
Speaker 1: he gets slapped on because I think he went so
Speaker 1: hard in the early two thousand. Motherfucker's forget about him.
Speaker 1: Now it'll go hard. I think the only thing is
Speaker 1: messed up is just a business guy's different. He's still alive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know that's what. And there's so many there's
Speaker 1: so many guys rapping right now, all of them his kids,
Speaker 1: all of them a little something, little something, got dreams,
Speaker 1: all got tattooed in face, little bullshit, drugs. They don't
Speaker 1: want to listen to pops. They want to listen to
Speaker 1: their period. You know what I'm saying is so uh
Speaker 1: Wayne jay Z obviously um and God rest his soul.
Speaker 1: I had just started getting to nip Um, so I
Speaker 1: listened to a lot of nip nine days Wayne, to Go,
Speaker 1: Wayne to Go? Who are you so that those that's
Speaker 1: your top five? Who's your top five? I thought drinking
Speaker 1: and drinking drakes hard? So speaking to Drake, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about him dropping six man? And basically being
Speaker 1: about you in your life at the time. It was
Speaker 1: cool at the time, it was cool. Ye gave me
Speaker 1: a soundtrack to everything I had going on. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we drove prices up. Yeah it's cauture. You wanted me
Speaker 1: to come to your party, So I appreciate you for that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Looking back, Man, in twenty years,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be one of the greatest artists that ever
Speaker 1: you've ever heard of. And he made a song about me. Yeah, question,
Speaker 1: that's what's it? What's it like? I mean, could you
Speaker 1: know meet dropped your name and y'all the family, but
Speaker 1: dropped that. What what's it like? Though? Like I said,
Speaker 1: becoming a hooper, fucking with AI with you know, a
Speaker 1: legend that that you looked up to, and now people
Speaker 1: you look up into the rap him and they're rapping
Speaker 1: about you. Make shot video that you crib, didn't it?
Speaker 1: House Party one of his biggest songs. That song was
Speaker 1: about my house. It was about a party that he
Speaker 1: came to one of them because I'd be having pool
Speaker 1: parties out here, but I heard you'd be having the
Speaker 1: pool parties in Atlanta that I never come to. Different
Speaker 1: Vibe I'm just gonna get I'm gonna get a hall pass.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell my girl the baby like the last
Speaker 1: two years Wheel Day, right, you know Beverly Hills in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's a little different in it. But
Speaker 1: see you're doing yours at your house, the house, okay,
Speaker 1: but he's doing this at his own city. You're right, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the will I've seen. I've seen an Instagram
Speaker 1: and I almost wanted to be like, I shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: I'm too old to be watching. It's just a good time, right,
Speaker 1: It's just a good time. It ain't no v IP sex,
Speaker 1: just's no nothing. It forces everybody to hang with everybody
Speaker 1: and have a good time. I'm there time joint. Can't hide.
Speaker 1: You can't hide in my party. No matter who you are,
Speaker 1: it's nowhere for you. Yeah, I get jealous when I
Speaker 1: look at the Instagram. Got to be that we might
Speaker 1: do it. I got invited. I just business. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do a show from there, all the smoke. That would
Speaker 1: be awesome something. Yeah, we already wear commercials, so we
Speaker 1: go all well and listen, who do you see? Do
Speaker 1: you see anybody? I mean, I know you probably not
Speaker 1: This is probably more for the media. But do you
Speaker 1: see anyone coming for your six man title this year?
Speaker 1: This ship? Yeah, I can't nobody take it but Traders.
Speaker 1: And that's still a win for me his teammates. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a win for me. That's my brother. And so
Speaker 1: you know, the crazy thing is they don't know how
Speaker 1: close you all though. People don't know that, right, And
Speaker 1: he wasn't remembers that's where our chemistry come from. Like
Speaker 1: he played on my program team Okay, I like him.
Speaker 1: He's a mother. He played on my program saying. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody even gets close, um, except
Speaker 1: except Traders. And you know, I see the Roses doing
Speaker 1: this thing now, but I don't even know if that's something.
Speaker 1: The Rose even won't. I heard him say it last year,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if he's wired for like with
Speaker 1: that job. Entails was a former m v P. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a different album. Yeah, it's a different things. It's
Speaker 1: only been so only you and Jamal Crawford have three
Speaker 1: six man right, so when you win, the next one
Speaker 1: is history. I wouldn't mind just as just a little bit, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Like I got the scoring title.
Speaker 1: I got three, Um, jamal ass three, But I wouldn't
Speaker 1: mind standing alone on it, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell us about your You got your own shoe? Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's crazy. It's mind blowing to me. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm the only one I think I am.
Speaker 1: But a career bench player have his own shoe, that's like,
Speaker 1: that's groundbreaking. You know what I'm saying is, so how
Speaker 1: many players drafted where you would drafted to have their
Speaker 1: own shoe? Well, I remember it was crazy was he
Speaker 1: came in with Monte. It was Mississippi bullish out our
Speaker 1: little kids, you know what I mean. And I think
Speaker 1: Monte obviously stepped on the stage before Lou, but then
Speaker 1: Lou came through and lasted with the longevity. So that's
Speaker 1: pretty all second round picks. And and I'm glad I
Speaker 1: stuck around long enough to kind of smell my flowers
Speaker 1: and get appreciated from my peers and the people I've
Speaker 1: competed with and against in this game. You know, I
Speaker 1: think outside the money and the championships and everything, y'all know,
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that we lived for is that acceptance
Speaker 1: from the guys that you like he was. He was
Speaker 1: that dude. You know what I'm saying. It so for
Speaker 1: me to be in year fifteen, had my own shoe
Speaker 1: come off the bench be considered a underground goat. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't even think a lot of people understand what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get across when I say underground goat
Speaker 1: like you know this. You know it's like you got
Speaker 1: you g K. But like the goats respect them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like that jay Z album,
Speaker 1: jay Z, look up to you g K. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you've got Lebron's and you've got Katie's.
Speaker 1: Katie Is went publicly and said that he feels like
Speaker 1: I'm a Hall of Famer. I'm one of his favorite.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's so like compliments like that,
Speaker 1: It's worth more than any amount of money could ever
Speaker 1: do for me, you know, to get get accepted from
Speaker 1: those kind of guys in this league that you compete against,
Speaker 1: you know, so because the money don't always reflect that
Speaker 1: you don't because some guys get the money, you like,
Speaker 1: still corning. I can't believe that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You hear that a lot, and then you got people
Speaker 1: that you know O g s like y'all, y'all going aeron,
Speaker 1: y'all defend my name. You should be making way more
Speaker 1: than that. That means more to meet than anything, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that, So to have my own
Speaker 1: shoe doog like it's mind blownce ask current players, did
Speaker 1: you guys see people like me and Jack in the
Speaker 1: media going hard with you? Did you guys see that
Speaker 1: and hear that when we're out here going hard for
Speaker 1: y'all for shows. Sometimes I want to text him and
Speaker 1: tell him to chill. And one time I hit big Bro,
Speaker 1: I said, are you wrong on this one? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: know what the saying. I said, you know you're wrong
Speaker 1: on this one. You know what I'm saying. But behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, it's like we hear y'all, We see y'all.
Speaker 1: It takes something simple as just just like the video,
Speaker 1: stay out the way let them, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because we're still under that machine so much. Sometimes we
Speaker 1: appreciate it, you know what I'm saying, even if it's
Speaker 1: just a hit that like, but just let you know
Speaker 1: I'm right here. You know, we'll see what what what
Speaker 1: they hate too. They hate the fact that we got
Speaker 1: the respect and the relationship where when we on TV
Speaker 1: that I can get a text from you. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They wanted to blow up into something.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But the fact that the
Speaker 1: respect of that and it's all coming from a good place.
Speaker 1: They hate that type ship And whoever gave my microphone
Speaker 1: some syrup before this? Uh, it's been leaning in the
Speaker 1: hole and I to just keep dropping. Bron gonna give
Speaker 1: me the dope fing Mike today. Man, we need to
Speaker 1: get this finished fixed the next show man, I'm to
Speaker 1: live for the ship. Go ahead, Man, who is uh
Speaker 1: in the league right now? Who's the most slept on
Speaker 1: the player? You think? Or besides shape or starting to
Speaker 1: make it? Man? Slept on like a young cat. We
Speaker 1: don't have you have to be young, just something like
Speaker 1: you know, going to war with like that mother don't
Speaker 1: get a lot of love. But he can go Drew Holiday.
Speaker 1: People sleep on great pick Drew Holidays both ways, both
Speaker 1: ends of the court. Bro Like, I don't think he
Speaker 1: gets he gets the recognition and the respect that he deserves. Um,
Speaker 1: that's a great call. Yeah, I like you Holiday? True?
Speaker 1: I hate seeing Drew Carmine on I ain't on front.
Speaker 1: He does on both ends and he knew all my
Speaker 1: ship we played together. Who who to you, who's the
Speaker 1: best player in the game right now, right now today?
Speaker 1: I think it's Kauai. I think it's Kauai with Katie
Speaker 1: being out, and then it's Paul right there behind that.
Speaker 1: And that's not like a and I'm and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying Lebron because Brown. To me, it's like grandfather then yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like he's in conversation for the Goat, not parent rappers.
Speaker 1: To jay Z, yeah, he's grandfather then, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that would be my pis. So you see Kauai, Katie
Speaker 1: and Paul all right in that mix fighting for the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they still? Yes, Yeah, who is the best?
Speaker 1: Who's your top three all time in the game all time?
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's Lebron? Yeah three, Yeah, that's three for me.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's my personal right now. Definitely that's
Speaker 1: your list. Yeah, Penny Hardaway used to be in there.
Speaker 1: He probably hate what I tell this, tell yeah, I
Speaker 1: gotta tell it. So you know, look at look at
Speaker 1: my Mike. Yeah, it's still leaning double comp somebody gave
Speaker 1: him like a double. Yeah. Man, So you know, I'm
Speaker 1: originally from Memphis, Tennessee. UM, and so as far as
Speaker 1: like basketball, like Penny Hardware, people I didn't like because
Speaker 1: Penny Hardaway he used to give Mike problem because yeah,
Speaker 1: because at that time, I was like, it's either Penny
Speaker 1: or Jordan. I'm like, well it's Penny. So growing up,
Speaker 1: he was always my my goat. He was always my favorite.
Speaker 1: And um, my senior year in high school, UM, Nike
Speaker 1: was kind of was kind of coming for me a
Speaker 1: little bit because they knew I was going to the
Speaker 1: league and so they had set it up for the
Speaker 1: Nike rep to introduce me to Penny. He was playing
Speaker 1: with the Knicks at the time they was about to play.
Speaker 1: They was playing the Hawks. So I'm excited the whole
Speaker 1: day in school. I'm like, I'm working for the me Penny,
Speaker 1: Like this is crazy to me. So the game go
Speaker 1: on or whatever. After the game, he come out, they
Speaker 1: walked me down to meet him. He got on the
Speaker 1: Sooners ship. So, uh, Nike Rep. He say, uh, he'd say, hey, Penny,
Speaker 1: this is a young kid I was telling you about
Speaker 1: he thinking about going to the NBA's name Williams from Memphis.
Speaker 1: Man Penny shook my hand and even acknowledge me, didn't
Speaker 1: even look at me, gave me no look at one
Speaker 1: of these and kept talking to who he was talking to,
Speaker 1: never looked me in my eyes, never said was something
Speaker 1: dr And I was like, let's you crush me? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It did that. We years later
Speaker 1: we had a conversation about it because every time I
Speaker 1: was doing the interview, I have shipping on them left
Speaker 1: every time I had something to say about it. So
Speaker 1: he we set out. He was just like, man, I
Speaker 1: apologize he was on purpose. This is that. I was like,
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm dope, bro, Like, yeah, like I
Speaker 1: ain't tripping, you know what I'm saying that. It ain't
Speaker 1: a big deal to me no more. I just like,
Speaker 1: ain't with you? Hyeah, Yeah you're out of my list.
Speaker 1: That yeah, who retirement being around the corner. We hope
Speaker 1: you get another five six years. But is there anything
Speaker 1: you look forward to post career? No, Man, I'm locked
Speaker 1: in a moment. I'm happy where I'm at. I'm happy
Speaker 1: like I'm at the height of my career, you know,
Speaker 1: So I'm in the moment right now. So the only
Speaker 1: thing I can I can really look forward to his fatherhood.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, just being a better father
Speaker 1: than I am. Now, So what would winning the championship
Speaker 1: mean to you? Everything? Yeah, that solidifies everything that I've
Speaker 1: worked for, you know, as far as where my career
Speaker 1: took me. I've done everything individually that I can do. Um,
Speaker 1: So the ring is the last thing for me going platinum.
Speaker 1: Yeah that'll work too. Yeah, I mean when the ring
Speaker 1: gona help you go about to say that ring gonna
Speaker 1: take that, I'm dropping that day. Well, lou man, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you, man. And that's the rap Man Episode five.
Speaker 1: All the smoke would arguably the greatest six man in
Speaker 1: NBA history. You already know. That's the way we need
Speaker 1: our shoes. Man, we were four teens. We need some
Speaker 1: We need some shoes. I'm knocking of you. Nigga's out
Speaker 1: a little proactive man. I would have brought it. I
Speaker 1: would have brought it with you. Season. We'll get you later.
Speaker 1: We know when y'all at now. And remember we're gonna
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