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Speaker 1: Welcome Back Man, Episode five, All the Smoke, My Brother

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Speaker 1: Jack back five, Stephen dig Jesse Jackson, and my man,

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Speaker 1: Sweet louke Man, appreciate you brow in the building, give

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Speaker 1: me a song on the off day. On off day,

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Speaker 1: you did. So. You're fifteen, huh years straight out of

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Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, I was with your That was in

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Speaker 1: your rookie year. I was with you, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: neither of us playing chilling both that, Like, it was

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Speaker 1: different for me because I was just happy to be there.

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Speaker 1: He was like, what then is going on? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that was we have from Rose to you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, to the greatest show on on

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Speaker 1: the court. For a minute. Tell me what it was

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Speaker 1: like coming straight out of high school. I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: looked up the AI and then playing with him and

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Speaker 1: having him as a mentor fresh out of high school. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for me, it was it was mind blowing because I

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Speaker 1: spent like, uh, my whole high school career like modeling

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Speaker 1: my game after this dude. Like he's literally the reason

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Speaker 1: why I even started getting tattoos, and he was so influental,

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Speaker 1: influential in my life and I didn't even notice cat,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He was just like a

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Speaker 1: role model to me that I didn't even know. And

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Speaker 1: then going to the league and it's like, oh, ship,

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Speaker 1: that's my teammate now. And then it's set in, like

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Speaker 1: what is he gonna like me? Like, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. In the first time we ever met um,

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Speaker 1: it was a Charlie mac Um celebrity game in the summer,

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Speaker 1: and he was already he was already drafted by that

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Speaker 1: I got drafted and then invited me to come play

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Speaker 1: in the game. So I go up to Philly and

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Speaker 1: then it's just like this wave of people come in.

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Speaker 1: You know, he keep his unto rocked. Hundred people come in.

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Speaker 1: It's like motion, everybody going crazy, and I see him

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Speaker 1: and I just kind of freeze, and out of all

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Speaker 1: the people in the building, this dude locked the eyes

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Speaker 1: with me and like walk directly to me and gave

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Speaker 1: me a hug. And that's been my big brother. Man.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a great FELM. I know it was, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: just it's like, you know what I'm saying, because like,

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Speaker 1: all right, at least he embraced me enough to you know,

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Speaker 1: at least speak to me, gett acknowledged by people. You

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Speaker 1: look up to. That's all. That's always because I've had

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Speaker 1: people let me down. Did I look up to? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Talk real talk. So what what was some of the

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Speaker 1: stuff that you learned early on, because you know, you're

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Speaker 1: a student before you actually got out there and got

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Speaker 1: to do it. What is some of the stuff you

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Speaker 1: learned from him? But just watching him every day from

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Speaker 1: practice together on the line every day, you know, just

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Speaker 1: you know, it's well documented how much how many injuries

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Speaker 1: that he played through, um, all the pain that he

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Speaker 1: played through, boken, broken bones and everything. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that you know, it always be remembered about

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Speaker 1: the practice thing. But it's like he couldn't practice right,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was so banged up. What you wanted

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Speaker 1: but he just he laid it on the line for

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Speaker 1: his teammates every single time he went out there. They

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Speaker 1: don't understand, remember the biggest elbow versus actually having like

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Speaker 1: tennis balls on his elbows every day. Man. Just And

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Speaker 1: it's funny now because like it's gonna you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: hard pressed to find a superstar a practice these days anyway. Anyway, Right,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was just ahead of

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Speaker 1: his time for sure. Going into the season. You like

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Speaker 1: to kinda I mean, you stay in Atlanta, you guys

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Speaker 1: do that whole program and you're real big on kind

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Speaker 1: of working out and getting ready. What is that like

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Speaker 1: for you year in year out? Seeing that you know

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Speaker 1: where you started and where you came from. You need

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Speaker 1: to change the program name though a little will program.

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Speaker 1: I mean to me, I compared to like Jamal Croft,

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Speaker 1: that's like I played with it. I mean, I see

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Speaker 1: it one he gets fifty on one leg. If you

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Speaker 1: want to league, we'll keep you humble. But you know

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Speaker 1: we have to put some work in play with me.

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Speaker 1: He's part of the crew. So but it's cool, man.

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Speaker 1: It's an opportunity. We played out on the West side

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Speaker 1: of Atlanta's opportunity for young kids that they probably don't

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Speaker 1: make it to Philips Arena to see games and don't

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Speaker 1: they were able to see prim Kyrie irving in their neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: You know, where you can walk in the gym and

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Speaker 1: he and they're putting on the show. You know, you

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Speaker 1: get to see that, You get to see a lot

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Speaker 1: pillar run, it's cool. Um, how do you find out

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Speaker 1: I kind of knew, you know, from talking to Kauai

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Speaker 1: I didn't know ship to be honest with. They reached

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Speaker 1: out to me. Management reached out and said, ayum, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna meet with Kauai. UM, here's his number if you

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Speaker 1: want to say something to him. And I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: coming at him. Yeah, I'm like, I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: I mean? And so I text him and I just said,

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Speaker 1: what's up killer this little will? I know you're about

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Speaker 1: to have your meeting. You got any questions about the

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Speaker 1: He said, bet, I'm gonna go into the meeting. And

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Speaker 1: I called you after he never called. It was like

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Speaker 1: three or four days went by. I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I blew it. Yeah. I was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: So I was like, there, I hope that wasn't part

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Speaker 1: the Summer League. And it's funny, I had just seen

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Speaker 1: Peg like ten minutes before I've seen him. He was

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Speaker 1: he was playing uh craps. He was shooting craps. I

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Speaker 1: was playing Roulette and we uh we spoke. He kept

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Speaker 1: its phone. So it was like Kahi Leonard agrees to

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking at like the fuck and so I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: And my phone start ring and it was Pat Bev

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Speaker 1: and Pat was in Vegas, Whitten, so he was like yo.

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, come downstairs, I'm got the let's

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Speaker 1: it's exciting to have them, but we started dealing with

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Speaker 1: that in training, cap. Yeah, that's what's up. Tell me

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Speaker 1: of the what's the what's the dick CAD's name, at

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Speaker 1: the end of the Sterling era? Yeah, okay, so that

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Speaker 1: was that. That was right, you said. That was right

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Speaker 1: end of the Sterling era and then into the Bomber

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Speaker 1: era and it was it was night and day. Tell

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Speaker 1: around it. My experience has been so positive. Um, just

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Speaker 1: how I've been embraced by the city, in the organization.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was at the crossroads in my career. Um,

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Speaker 1: I didn't even want to be a Clipper. You know.

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Speaker 1: That was the third team I had played for in

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Speaker 1: six months, and so at that point I just didn't

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Speaker 1: Montrez was starting to come into his own. He wanted

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Speaker 1: And even though um, you know it didn't work out

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Speaker 1: we got grown in our locker room. We don't do

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Speaker 1: We ain't gonna do all the Hazen ship. We're not

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Speaker 1: different time too. I was brought away. Yeah, he didn't

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Speaker 1: tell whatever is that that that was? We was heading summer,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where. I don't remember, but we made

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Speaker 1: a bet that he had to drink a six pack.

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Speaker 1: I didn't drink at the time. He didn't drink here.

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Speaker 1: He was fresh out of high school as a kid.

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Speaker 1: Still look like a kid. How much fun do you get?

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Speaker 1: Teen thousand? Man, give me a farty and give me

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Speaker 1: a six pack of parties? He made a six pack

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Speaker 1: the bus ride, right. It was quick though, it was

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Speaker 1: But he was so wet that we almost got like

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Speaker 1: a little worried, like, damn, what the fun are we

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Speaker 1: gonna carry loo? You know what I mean? So we

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Speaker 1: out of there. He was still there, but he was,

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Speaker 1: that was kind of like from all I recalled, the

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Speaker 1: only time, yeah, because he got big bread off it,

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Speaker 1: you mean, But I think that was the only kind

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Speaker 1: of time we ever did any kind of rookie ship.

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Speaker 1: We wasn't really it was like you said, it was

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Speaker 1: more on some grown man ship, like handing your business workout.

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Speaker 1: You're not playing dude, you're supposed to do. But ship

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Speaker 1: like that, that's that's more of a wait, that's you.

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Speaker 1: could either carry this chip on my shoulder and be upset,

425
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,760
Speaker 1: or I can carry this chip on my shoulder to say,

426
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,399
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna make it embarrassing for y'all to have

427
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 1: me coming off the bench, you know, And I chose

428
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,160
Speaker 1: the letter. What is? What is your thoughts on that though?

429
00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:22,800
Speaker 1: Like if they say, Lottle, what you wanna do you

430
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,160
Speaker 1: want to start to come off the bench? What would

431
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,720
Speaker 1: you say? At this point? I'm just I am who

432
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 1: I am at this point, you know what I'm saying.

433
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,399
Speaker 1: And you know, doctor start me every once in a

434
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,040
Speaker 1: while and just um, just to mix it up. But

435
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,879
Speaker 1: I think it's just who I am now, you know

436
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,119
Speaker 1: what I mean, just a six man. I mean, like

437
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,760
Speaker 1: we know, at the end of day, it don't matter

438
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,439
Speaker 1: because you're gonna play starters minutes something in the fourth car.

439
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 1: That's what I tell people. You know, you don't start,

440
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 1: you started, like all that ship don't matter, Like who

441
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 1: is in at the last two or three minutes of

442
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 1: the game. It was the only thing. It affixes the money,

443
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,280
Speaker 1: m It definitely affects that. That's what it affects, you know.

444
00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 1: Because people are you should be making this, You should

445
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 1: making that. That's another reason why I don't mean to

446
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 1: cut you off. That's another reason why I think the

447
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 1: city appreciates you so much, you know what I'm saying,

448
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 1: because they know you could have went somewhere else and

449
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 1: got more money. You know, everybody in the world know

450
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 1: that the answers of this buil didn't know that it

451
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't have been happy though, like the places

452
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 1: that I had deals on the table. It just it

453
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been fulfilling to me, especially with everything that

454
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 1: I had built with this particular group of guys, you

455
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:25,919
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I took a little bit

456
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,399
Speaker 1: less than um what I could have got, but it

457
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't have the money when it did nothing for my happiness,

458
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, and especially where I was in my life,

459
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 1: my kids loving in l A. I found a found

460
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 1: a home, you know what I mean. Like I said,

461
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 1: I played three teams in six months. I didn't want

462
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 1: to move again. Was that Lakers Houston back to l A.

463
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 1: Tell me what that was like. Because we've both been

464
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: traded and bounced around, and that people don't understand like

465
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: family wise, life wise, you just gotta pick up and

466
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,159
Speaker 1: no matter what and moved. So tell me what that

467
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 1: and they can follow you and press Child's on your

468
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 1: every state too. Let me say that I know that man. Well,

469
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,919
Speaker 1: we talked about all kinds of ship on him bro

470
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 1: every stage to try to tap your hand. Let me

471
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 1: get some of that go ahead. That's why I was

472
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 1: at one point I was going rare a lot. You know,

473
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 1: you need to put that put on your whole body.

474
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: Just put that bitch all the way on the topic.

475
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 1: I had to clip, I had to go forgive go ahead.

476
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: But it was it was a roller coaster. I knew

477
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna get traded from the Lakers. I knew

478
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 1: that was coming. Uh. I think the last game for

479
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 1: All Star break, I checked out of the game and

480
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: all the coaches stood up, was like, thanks for everything

481
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: you did. What Yeah, like I think I think you know.

482
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 1: I was. I was like, this is it? So who

483
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 1: was coaching there? Luke Luke wah yeah, so you don't

484
00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: get me on his Yeah. But I knew that was

485
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: coming and so UM I was working out All Star

486
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: weekend in Atlanta, UM and got traded to Houston and

487
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: then UM Houston, I liked being there. Um, I thought

488
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: we could have did something special. I wish they had

489
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: been a little bit more patient with with the process.

490
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: Um I was in China, got traded again, and so

491
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,479
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I don't know what the fun

492
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: is going on, you know what I'm saying. And then

493
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 1: they trade me to the Clippers. And then they still

494
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: had Jamal at the time, and so I was like,

495
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: you don't make no sense. Yeah, it don't make like

496
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: what are y'all trying to do? And then you know,

497
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: they started making some moves and and like I said,

498
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 1: I had that conversation with Doc Man and every I

499
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: think the whole course of my career changed after that.

500
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: You know, I've had my best shops in looking back

501
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: on my career, Like I funk with Doc. I just

502
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 1: think when I was there, he had a lot of hats.

503
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: So I want to say he was president GM and

504
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So there just wasn't really

505
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 1: there was too much kind of whispering and and not

506
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: truth coming to the surface, you know. I mean. But

507
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: our particular incident was, um, we had just lost the

508
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: Golden State. Um and goes that they beat our ass

509
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: and Blake and DJ didn't have the best games, but

510
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: for some reason just that day he wanted to go

511
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: at me in the film room. And I'm someone you

512
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: can coach with me. You could yell at me, you

513
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: could do whatever you want. You're just not gonna disrespect

514
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: me as a man. That's like where I d and

515
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: funk who you are. That's where I draw the line.

516
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: So he got mad at like the two shots I took.

517
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: I took two shots in the game. He like complained

518
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 1: off both, like I had a corner three that I

519
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: shot that I should have passed to Blake when he

520
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: was cutting down the middle, and and I had another

521
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: three points that I should have gave to Jamal. I'm

522
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: just looking at this to like, mother funk. I took

523
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: two shots and we lost by thirty. What the funk

524
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: are you talking about? You know what I mean. So

525
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: it was just a situation. It was kind of weird.

526
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: And then he came at me for something. I'm just like, yeo, man,

527
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: fuck this. So I like got up and everyone in

528
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: the room like, because I remember DJ was sitting next

529
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: to me, he like patting me on my leg like

530
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: a little dog to keep me calm, and which is funny.

531
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: Because DJ is I can feel sick, but he it

532
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: came from us though, because you know, DJ didn't used

533
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: to be that way. So I got up and I

534
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh ship, and they're like, oh, chill, chill.

535
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: So I walked, you know how the film room. I'm

536
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: over in the corner and you gotta walk past the

537
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: coaches to get out. So I just man, I was

538
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: got up and I was just heated. So I walked

539
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: out the room and then I went in the back

540
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: and like fucking I'm just gonna go home, and I'm

541
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: just like, no, I can't. I can't let my team

542
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: down like that. So I saw on the TV that

543
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: we were done with film and they're out on the

544
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: court stretching. So I went back out on the court,

545
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: start stretching, mad as fuck, not saying nothing to nobody,

546
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: and this this motherfucker comes over me and tells me

547
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: to flip my jersey over and he's gonna put Jamal

548
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: with the starters and put me on the second team.

549
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: So I look at him and I took my jersey

550
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: off and I threw it. He's like, put your jersey back,

551
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: goes like these motherfucker's know what team I'm on, so

552
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: I didn't have no jersey. The whole practice went out

553
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: hard killed in practice, and then we played. I was

554
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: on one even some of the butt. See I think

555
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: Doc was one. Yeah, yeah, he didn't like what he

556
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: didn't like what almost happened to him. But so then

557
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: we went hard in practice. You know, some of the

558
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: coach came up and talked to me, you know, so

559
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: you know it was just this and that trying to

560
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: defuse the situation. But you had coaches before like that

561
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: little exchange where you took your jersey off. They're not

562
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: doing it until you leave because they can't accept that

563
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: type of like doctor, Doctor plays the players coach and

564
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: right because you know, and yeah, he's gonna challenge you.

565
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: Some coaches I've been with down they're gonna security get

566
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: him utter. It's like you're my coach, like security bro.

567
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: So and so I go home. We played four than

568
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: early the next day, and I can't sleep the whole night,

569
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: and I stopped smoking too for a little bit, so

570
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: night I started chain smoking. Probably smoke like three or

571
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: four joints that night. Maddest Fun couldn't sleep, got to

572
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: the gym earliest, Fun started shooting. We went to shoot

573
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: around and before we broke, like right when we brought

574
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: it in, and I just, you know, I just dogs like,

575
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, you can coach me, you can yell at me,

576
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: you could do whatever, just don't disrespect me as a man.

577
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: And then you know, he said his part and it

578
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: kind of started getting heated, and he's like, you think

579
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: you're tough. I was like what, so like it got

580
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: super like he almost like was trying to poke me.

581
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: So it chilled out. We went through shoot around and

582
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: then we went back in the locker room to watch

583
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: film at to shoot around, and Mike Woodsons tried to

584
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: say something and I was like, Mike, don't start, because

585
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: you can get it too, you know what I mean.

586
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: So everyone calmed down, and then Doc said some more

587
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: ship to me and then stormed off his office. So

588
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: I stormed after him in his office and everyone like

589
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: trying to pull me back, and we sat now and

590
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: had a little conversation, but it was just a little

591
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: heated back and forth. Looking back on it, you think, right,

592
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: looking back, I mean I funk with Doc, you know

593
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like I said, I think I was

594
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: going through a divorce at the time, so I was

595
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: kind of on edge. He was going through whatever he

596
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: was going through, so we was kind of on edge

597
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: and we talked obviously talked to and made amends. But

598
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: like you said, he is someone that you can have,

599
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: that you can go back at, and you gotta respect

600
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: that because, like you said, a lot of culture you

601
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: yeah at, you cuss that, and that's it. Yeah, you know,

602
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: that was it for me. I got traded. I was

603
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: the first traded. The motherfucker we care for Lance Stevenson

604
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: and we ended up on the same team that year.

605
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: But you know, to to see what he's done for

606
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: you guys. Like I said, I always loved him as

607
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: a coach. I just thought our differences was when he

608
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: had a lot of different hats and there was a

609
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: lot of rumbles in that locker room about you know,

610
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: him not being this and then his son coming in

611
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: and all this others not crazy kind of stuff. So

612
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: it was just a a feisty situation. But we had

613
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: so much talent on that team, like but we would

614
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: always get in our own ways. So that's why I'm

615
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: excited to see. Like I said, I still love the Clippers,

616
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: so I'm excited to see what you guys are doing.

617
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: Now because I feel like you guys have just as much,

618
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: if not more talented, Lob City had obviously, but you

619
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: guys have a real chance to win the championship, you know,

620
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: And I think that's dope because it hasn't been done

621
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: for that franchise. I always wanted to know that because, yeah,

622
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: because y'all should have documented, you know what I'm saying that,

623
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: So when I've been around Dog, like damn that ain't

624
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: that have been my experience with you? Know what I'm saying.

625
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: And I know you. I know how cool you are,

626
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: but I know as a teammate fightst you are. You

627
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, how competitive you I saw. Always

628
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: just wanted to know, like what was your disconnection? You

629
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because I like both of y'all.

630
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: So tell me what it was like playing with the

631
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: Lakers and getting the chest to play with Colde on

632
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: his way out. That was interesting being out being excuse

633
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: for getting that being I need to pack that Kobe

634
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: pack that just dropped. It was three different shoes and

635
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: my boxes again like MJ, give me my give me,

636
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: this is my shoes. Second Cold it's a new pack,

637
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: undefeated pack. That's what it's called. I need all them boys, third,

638
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: two fourths, you need four team? What about MJ. He

639
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: might have never heard you from last We'll get back

640
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: to them. It's about Kobe right now now. I think, Um,

641
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: I wish I could have played with Code like when yeah,

642
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: when he was cold, like I felt like he could

643
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: have did something special for my career. UM number eight Code, Yeah,

644
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: I take an early I don't. I just think it

645
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: wasn't it wouldn't manage right, you know. I think we

646
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: could have been a lot better than we were. It

647
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: kind of just turned into like like some hard and

648
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: globe try to ship like, you know, because it was

649
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: like at first it didn't it wasn't the It wasn't

650
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: the farewell tour, you know, the two season w not

651
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: to get you off? Two season one season with him?

652
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: Did I play two seasons with Cole? I didn't play

653
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: two seasons? Yeah, yeah, I did play two seasons with Code.

654
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: So but the first one he was he was, he

655
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: was hurt the majority of the town. Um. The second one, uh,

656
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: it turned into the farewell See it turned to the

657
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: farewell tour. And then at the same time it was

658
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: like they were trying to develop the young guys, and

659
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: I was like, realistically, you can't. You can't do both.

660
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: You know, you can't develop these young guys and then

661
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: tell them that like that ship don't matter when the

662
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: game starts, you know what I'm saying. So it was

663
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: just it just it wouldn't manage, It wouldn't manage. Great.

664
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: But as far as uh, as far as Coke god Man,

665
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: he was super cool. Um. I enjoyed competing with him, um,

666
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: and just just being around him. You know what I'm saying.

667
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: It's just a different energy when you're around him and

668
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: you want to flow with him. Yeah, I said, I

669
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: mean I got a chance to, Like you played with Ai,

670
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: played with Chris Paul, super competitive dudes. But to me,

671
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: there's no one more competitive. Yah See, I didn't. We

672
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: didn't get We didn't. We didn't get that part of

673
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: the experience. Like every once in a while, yeah did

674
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: he would say some ship did it. The whole room

675
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: was like, like we had a he gonna be mad

676
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: at this. We got blue out uh in Portland's and

677
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: he came in the locker room and he was like,

678
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: from now on out, every time down the court, I

679
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: touched the ball, y'all, gonna learn what it's like to

680
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: play with Kobe Bean fucking Frock And I'm looking like serious.

681
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: And so Nick Young played for last we go, we

682
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: showering ship, We come back, Nick walk in the locker rooms,

683
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: y'all better throw that but the ball, it's gonna be

684
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: some ship around here. Like Nick never took anything serious style,

685
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: but we just got the ship kicked out of us,

686
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: and Cold wasn't going for you know what I'm saying

687
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: is so I just think mentally like he meant that ship,

688
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I just think at that

689
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: point's body just didn't give him what he wanted. It's

690
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: a lot of miles, man and stuff. You know, because

691
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: I got shocked the same way in Phoenix, you know, right,

692
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: miss prime shock. So I got shocked. That was still cool.

693
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: But he was just he's on the other end of

694
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: the spectrum. He was like a seven ft three, big

695
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: ass kid, you know, pulling pranks. But I was just saying,

696
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: like you would see flashes every once in a while,

697
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm just like, goddamn, like this, that's crazy, right. Like

698
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: the last game, Like the last game he played, he

699
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: went for sixties, went for sixty, like literally when mother

700
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: fuckers said I'm gonna leave it all out on the floor.

701
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 1: That's what he did. Believe it. Who was some of

702
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: the best young players that that you look at in

703
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: the league right now that you like Shay Gil just

704
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: Alexander game. Uh, that won't hurt you got a real game.

705
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: I remember dr was real hesitant on trading him too.

706
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: That won't hurt when when when Shay left, because you

707
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: can just see him get better every day, you know

708
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you literally watched this kid grow

709
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: day in and day out. I think he's gonna be

710
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: real special man. M John Moran and Memphis that motherfucker's

711
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: called like he's one of the young kids. I like,

712
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm going on NBA TV like Memphis, I'm watching that.

713
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I really like I really

714
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: liked them too. For sure. Guys not in the league

715
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: right now, like Jamal Crawford j R. Smith that we

716
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: know can play. You know, Carmello just got picked up.

717
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: Like what are your thoughts on situations like that, Sticky Man,

718
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: because it's like ship, it's gonna be a funeral for

719
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: us all one day, you know what I'm saying, And

720
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: should we all gonna feel like we still can play.

721
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: I did you know what I'm saying? When you was done,

722
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: did you felt like you can still go? Right? I

723
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: just have to go punish the Big three D to

724
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: get it out of some type of the clippers, the

725
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: last thing you play with when you came out with

726
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: us and you got the shortened stick, because I thought

727
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: you should have definitely what what was the situation there? Uh,

728
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: someone got hurt. I just stopped playing and Chris Paul

729
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: broke his hand and they needed to bring That's right,

730
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: So I think it. I think it just it gets

731
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: sticky with that because you know, you know that these guys,

732
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: you know that they season vets. You know they can

733
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: give you something. But then it's like they've created all

734
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: these avenues to develop young guys. Yeah, you know it's like,

735
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: so do you do you give that opportunity to a

736
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: to a vet that you know you can give someone

737
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: you can develop this kid and see what he can

738
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: give it to you. So it's so difficult, man. You

739
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: think you think they confused though, like when they when

740
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: when you walk in the locker room and they see

741
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: you, you you think they still think you about two years old? Yeah,

742
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: I think. I think, so, benj come on one in

743
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: with no grades. Three. How many more years you feel

744
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: like you got or want to play good ones? Yeah?

745
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: Like four? And then I'm still as well. Is that

746
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: a goal you ever think about that coming out of

747
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: high school? Yeah? I can get twenty. Only thing that

748
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: has stopped me if my kids tell me to stop.

749
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: You know, my daughters, my daughters at eight and five.

750
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: I got a son on the way, um daughter hooping

751
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: and my daughter hoop and so I want to be

752
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: there for her. I want to be there for her process.

753
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: My five year old daughter, she's into acting her personality

754
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: of phill up a room. So I want to be

755
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: there for you know, for their development. You know, I

756
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: really want them to be up and popping. And then

757
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: I come into the scene, you know, you know what

758
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean. I try to let my eight year old

759
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: daughter just do her own thing in basketball, and I

760
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: leave her alone. And if she asked me something or

761
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: she she wants some advice, I kind of poked my

762
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: head in. Other than that, I just let him be kids.

763
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: But I want to be there for you know, if

764
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: you can't get that time back, you can't get it back,

765
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: especially at a time, so impressionable man, and so the

766
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: only the only reason I was stopping if they tell

767
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: me the stuff that was my thing too. I had

768
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: just signed the year I won the championship, will going

769
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: to State two thatand seventeen. I signed a three year

770
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: deal earlier with Sacramento. But it was it was crazy.

771
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: As much as my boys love basketball and come to games,

772
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: would come visit me in the bay. Like one night

773
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: we were sitting up watching TV and they're just like, Daddy,

774
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: we missed when used to take us to school. And

775
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: that ship broke my whole heart. So my daughter did

776
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: that to me one time. Um last year, I was

777
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: packing my bag and she was cool as ever. She

778
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: laying in my bed on her I pad and she said, Daddy,

779
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: ask your question. I said, what's up? She said, Uh,

780
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: you don't get tired of leaving us. I was on

781
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: my way at the door four road trip and that

782
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: ship broke my heart, like it my whole day up

783
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: because it's like we're kind of naive, like what I

784
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: ain't saying that they ain't tripping like that ship bothered

785
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: them to you know what I'm saying. And so when

786
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: she when she put that on me it was different,

787
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: and then it was like a blessing in disguise. Like

788
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: the very next year, she turned into a basketball fan.

789
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, is so because we had

790
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: the parent advisory on her TV, so the only thing

791
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: that she could watch it was like Nickelodeon, UM Disney

792
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: and NBA TV, and she was kind of growing out

793
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: of the kids ship, and so she watched NBA TV

794
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: and she like basically coached herself into being a fan

795
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: of the game. And so that kind of re energized

796
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: what she saw me going through and and everything like that,

797
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: and so she kind of gave me another boost instead

798
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: of wanted me to come home. So we'll see how

799
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: long that last. Tell me what it's like being and

800
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: we touched what is it like being a father? And

801
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: you got your first boy on the way, Tell me

802
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: what that's like. Oh lord, I'm excited. I feel like

803
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: this this is would be my like my first challenge

804
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: is like a father. You know what I'm saying. The girls,

805
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: you kind of you kind of give a lot of

806
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: responsibility to the mom, you know what I'm saying. With

807
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: a boy, you wanted to be just like a mirror

808
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: imager yourself you know, and you gotta put, you gotta

809
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: put that time. So I'm excited. You guys got a

810
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: name picked out. Yeah, six six six. Yeah, that's that's dope. Dope.

811
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: Take us back to Christmas Eve two thousand eleven, Europe

812
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 1: almost robbed at gunpoint. Yeah, tell us about that story. Yeah.

813
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: So I get my hair cut in the hood and

814
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: Philly it's gray. Second, just keep real. You do everything

815
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: in the hood. You ain't never changed. And let me

816
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: tell you how too. If you look on the map

817
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: in on Atlanta, Georgia, you're gonna see lou Willville. Facts. Facts,

818
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: this is real facts. Proud of my boy. But I

819
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: was in Philly and I was actually with my man

820
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: and um just for disclosures, since is y'all. Of course

821
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: he was scrapped, yeah, of course, protecting each other. And

822
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: so when I was done getting my hair cut, I

823
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: was at the light and I remember but he called me.

824
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: He said, Yo, you're good. I see I'm going home.

825
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: He said, all right, bet, And I watched him. You

826
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: turned behind me and go the other way here you turned.

827
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: I looked down at my phone at the light and

828
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: I just heard click, click click. Somebody knocked on my window.

829
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: Look up, Bro got the gun on me. I don't

830
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: know why, but I rolled the window down. That's just

831
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: that's just where my mind took me. I rolled the

832
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: window down, and he like, get out of the car.

833
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: And I said huh. And when I said huh, he

834
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: looked at me. He said, Lou, I can't even do

835
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: it to you, Bro, I got too much love for you.

836
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: And at that time, um Me and Meek Me and

837
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: Meek Mill, we was doing a lot of coach drives.

838
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: Wh was doing a lot of stuff in the communities.

839
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: Um that particular community. You know, we just we just

840
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: had our footprint on it. Um that's his neighborhood. Um

841
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: Philly had adopted me. And so whatever I was doing

842
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: over there, he would get behind me. Whatever he was doing,

843
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: I would get behind him. Nonetheless, he was doing a

844
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: lot for that community at the time. And the dude said,

845
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: he said, man, I can't even do it to you.

846
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: He said, man, I just got out of jail. All

847
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: I got is this gun and a bus token to

848
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: get home. Bro, I ain't got nothing to eat. And

849
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: I just was thinking fast. I looked. I said, look, Bros.

850
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: McDonald's right there. You meet me at the McDonald's. I

851
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: buy you whatever you want to eat. He's all right, cool.

852
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: So my first start was do I let him get

853
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: in my car? I was like, hell no, So I

854
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: just I started driving first. So I drove went into

855
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: the McDonald's, and I watched them running across the street

856
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: to the McDonald's. So while he run into the McDonald

857
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: call man pull the McDonalds the McDonald's. So they've made

858
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: the story like I sat down at eight with him

859
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: on some hell dog that motherfucker order food. I swiped

860
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: my car, I shook his hand. I said, God blessed bro.

861
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: But this ain't the way. By that time, my man

862
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: was walking in McDonald's. I got the funk out of

863
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: So that's the that's the real story. They thought it

864
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: didn't like that. Y'all probably each other. That's that. That's great,

865
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: that's lucky. But I mean, shout out to home me

866
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: whoever he is. But that's that's the testament to who

867
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: you are, though, Like a buster would have got smoked

868
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: and robbed right there. You know what I'm saying. The

869
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: fact that you was in the community, the fact that

870
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: they know you'd be around there like that, that says

871
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: a lot about you, bro. Very few players could do

872
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: that because I was down bad keeping real yeah, scared shitless,

873
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: ain't gonna flex. Okay. So I was just in the

874
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: Lanta at your side of listening party to the new project. Um,

875
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm one of those guys that drop projects, you know,

876
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: doing my career. While I was playing, you one of

877
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: the only one of the very few rappers to actually

878
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: put their music out, you know, talk about your new

879
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: project and and where you see yourself going with the music.

880
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: I just have fun, you know, and the underground go. Yeah.

881
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: For me, I just want to be part of the conversation.

882
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: I don't even want to be like an artist, you

883
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I don't even want to be

884
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: like what you are. Bro. I know that, but you

885
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: haven't you having full silent listening parties like rappers have

886
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: with with the DJs. You have plenty For me, Like

887
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: that makes me happy. I like, I just want my

888
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: friends to be like that. Ship hard. But that's what

889
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: I said. You've seen me and you've seen me in there. Yeah,

890
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: yeah it is hard. Um, shout out the injury. My

891
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: manager man, she just yeah, she was like, Bro, you

892
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: spend so much money on this ship. And so much

893
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: time on it, like either you're gonna put it out

894
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna put it you know what I'm saying.

895
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: And so, Um, it was supposed to come out already. UM,

896
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: now we're looking for Um. We probably put it at

897
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: All Star weekend. UM. I just wanted to feel a

898
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: certain way. I wanted to look a certain way. UM.

899
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: I had a documentary that was gonna come out with it, Um,

900
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: a movie. We ended up getting into some with the

901
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: With the documentary, it's no longer. Um. We had merch

902
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: to go with it. The merchant still gonna come out. UM.

903
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: I had a I had a sample on the on

904
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: the project. I didn't know I had a sample on it. Um.

905
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: We was having a hard time getting that clear. Yeah.

906
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: So everything had kind of just got backed up. So

907
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna release it in February, just to give us

908
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: some more time to get organized. Like I said, I

909
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: wanted to feel and look a certain way. I don't

910
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: want it to be rushed. So how many what number?

911
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: What what number? Project number three? Number three? You have

912
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: any you ever thought about anybody players you want to

913
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: work with? Man Damon actually had a conversation about doing

914
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: something I sent him a record um to get on

915
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: and he never sent it back and we never had

916
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: another conversation about it. So I don't know where that's staying.

917
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: But um Shump used to record at my house in

918
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: my studio, but we never did music together. But he

919
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: always was recording in my spot. Other than that, I

920
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: don't really know. Yeah, I talked to all y'all about

921
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: doing music together before I got an ego ship. Yeah, man,

922
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: I think we need to get together so too. I

923
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: did not take you off a song what the one

924
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: you and Katie did only at the top. I took

925
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: you off that. I went crazy on that. You took

926
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: me off that joint. It came out and I was like,

927
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: that's crazy, that's that's how you found Actually when they came,

928
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: I actually sent you that song to get all out.

929
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: I sent it back it was done. You told me

930
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: it was fired and you took me off and he

931
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: told me money of women don't matter what. I followed

932
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: living like fourth thought and I'm turning up like Anozer

933
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: Hayters want to hate. But on Twitter, they still followed

934
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: on my Instagram like more pictures than models. You didn't

935
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: cursey that. I did not curse. I said, I don't

936
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: remember it on the not his herd. No, no, no no,

937
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: don't blame it on the weed, and don't blame it.

938
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: I don't honestly don't remember. I honestly don't remember. But well,

939
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: let's do another. I remember I remember the song because

940
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: that's why I don't remember you, because Katie didn't. He

941
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: didn't get behind the song. Oh he didn't push it.

942
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: No he didn't, and he didn't behind the song, and

943
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: then they made us make that made us do it clean.

944
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: I actually don't remember you getting on the song, so

945
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: we did. All of you probably got caught up into

946
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: Katie ship and trying to get him to do it

947
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: because I didn't. I didn't like a day for you.

948
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That was a quick return to that's crazy. Yeah,

949
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: so you probably honestly, I get it, though, because sometimes

950
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: if if somebody do something for me and I got

951
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: a lot going on and it's quick, I have to

952
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: go through my files and be like, oh we did

953
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,479
Speaker 1: because because you know, you know how, because I didn't

954
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: call you twenty times about doing something that's hot. That's

955
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: how I don't remember that. He took me off the

956
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: last song. Keep doing that's crazy, shout out the shop

957
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: for doing the BT cipher at the Hip Hop Awards.

958
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: I think we should all do it, man, I've been

959
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: said that too. That show I did and that was

960
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: when I told you that was I did. You said

961
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: we should do it, I said, and I'm with you.

962
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: Put it together? Well that is BT. Look the next

963
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: site for need to be me shop your Dame lou

964
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: ba Q six man get up, went head up with

965
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: dames be singing. Get him on that. I'm cool. I'm

966
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: cock that really sing though, Yeah I'm not. I'm cool.

967
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: I could be cool. I could be cool over it up.

968
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: But with some of the people you look up to

969
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: in the music game right now? Who was some of

970
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: your favorite artists? He's a dream chasing let me. I

971
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: don't hope you don't know that he the meek ain't

972
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: just friends now, Motherer got to change. He's a dream

973
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: chasing family for I'm a holiday. I'm going to go

974
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: holidayn when I leave here. I want to change ship.

975
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: Just I think about all the smoke I'm to answer

976
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: some ship. Clothes never get fed, you know what I'm saying. Clothes, mom,

977
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: never get fed. Me get to the right channel. Yeah,

978
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: somebody going hit me, get my baby, mama, chain within

979
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: them little one, make him like uh miek is one

980
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 1: of my favorites because I know he tells the truth. Um,

981
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: Little Wayne has always been my all time. I think

982
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: he gets slapped on because I think he went so

983
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: hard in the early two thousand. Motherfucker's forget about him.

984
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: Now it'll go hard. I think the only thing is

985
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: messed up is just a business guy's different. He's still alive. Yeah,

986
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: And you know that's what. And there's so many there's

987
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: so many guys rapping right now, all of them his kids,

988
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: all of them a little something, little something, got dreams,

989
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: all got tattooed in face, little bullshit, drugs. They don't

990
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: want to listen to pops. They want to listen to

991
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: their period. You know what I'm saying is so uh

992
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: Wayne jay Z obviously um and God rest his soul.

993
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: I had just started getting to nip Um, so I

994
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: listened to a lot of nip nine days Wayne, to Go,

995
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: Wayne to Go? Who are you so that those that's

996
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: your top five? Who's your top five? I thought drinking

997
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: and drinking drakes hard? So speaking to Drake, how do

998
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: you feel about him dropping six man? And basically being

999
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: about you in your life at the time. It was

1000
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: cool at the time, it was cool. Ye gave me

1001
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: a soundtrack to everything I had going on. Yeah, yeah,

1002
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: we drove prices up. Yeah it's cauture. You wanted me

1003
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: to come to your party, So I appreciate you for that.

1004
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Looking back, Man, in twenty years,

1005
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: he's gonna be one of the greatest artists that ever

1006
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: you've ever heard of. And he made a song about me. Yeah, question,

1007
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: that's what's it? What's it like? I mean, could you

1008
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: know meet dropped your name and y'all the family, but

1009
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: dropped that. What what's it like? Though? Like I said,

1010
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: becoming a hooper, fucking with AI with you know, a

1011
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 1: legend that that you looked up to, and now people

1012
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: you look up into the rap him and they're rapping

1013
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: about you. Make shot video that you crib, didn't it?

1014
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: House Party one of his biggest songs. That song was

1015
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: about my house. It was about a party that he

1016
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: came to one of them because I'd be having pool

1017
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: parties out here, but I heard you'd be having the

1018
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: pool parties in Atlanta that I never come to. Different

1019
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: Vibe I'm just gonna get I'm gonna get a hall pass.

1020
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell my girl the baby like the last

1021
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: two years Wheel Day, right, you know Beverly Hills in Hollywood,

1022
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: like you know, it's a little different in it. But

1023
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: see you're doing yours at your house, the house, okay,

1024
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: but he's doing this at his own city. You're right, Okay,

1025
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: this is the will I've seen. I've seen an Instagram

1026
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: and I almost wanted to be like, I shouldn't be.

1027
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm too old to be watching. It's just a good time, right,

1028
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: It's just a good time. It ain't no v IP sex,

1029
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: just's no nothing. It forces everybody to hang with everybody

1030
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: and have a good time. I'm there time joint. Can't hide.

1031
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: You can't hide in my party. No matter who you are,

1032
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: it's nowhere for you. Yeah, I get jealous when I

1033
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: look at the Instagram. Got to be that we might

1034
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: do it. I got invited. I just business. We're gonna

1035
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: do a show from there, all the smoke. That would

1036
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: be awesome something. Yeah, we already wear commercials, so we

1037
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: go all well and listen, who do you see? Do

1038
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: you see anybody? I mean, I know you probably not

1039
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: This is probably more for the media. But do you

1040
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: see anyone coming for your six man title this year?

1041
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: This ship? Yeah, I can't nobody take it but Traders.

1042
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: And that's still a win for me his teammates. Yeah,

1043
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: that's a win for me. That's my brother. And so

1044
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: you know, the crazy thing is they don't know how

1045
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: close you all though. People don't know that, right, And

1046
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: he wasn't remembers that's where our chemistry come from. Like

1047
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: he played on my program team Okay, I like him.

1048
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: He's a mother. He played on my program saying. So

1049
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody even gets close, um, except

1050
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: except Traders. And you know, I see the Roses doing

1051
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: this thing now, but I don't even know if that's something.

1052
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: The Rose even won't. I heard him say it last year,

1053
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: but I don't know if he's wired for like with

1054
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: that job. Entails was a former m v P. Yeah,

1055
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: it's a different album. Yeah, it's a different things. It's

1056
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: only been so only you and Jamal Crawford have three

1057
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: six man right, so when you win, the next one

1058
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: is history. I wouldn't mind just as just a little bit, right,

1059
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Like I got the scoring title.

1060
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: I got three, Um, jamal ass three, But I wouldn't

1061
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: mind standing alone on it, you know what I mean? Yeah,

1062
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: tell us about your You got your own shoe? Man, Yeah,

1063
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: that's that's crazy. It's mind blowing to me. Um. I

1064
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm the only one I think I am.

1065
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: But a career bench player have his own shoe, that's like,

1066
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: that's groundbreaking. You know what I'm saying is, so how

1067
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: many players drafted where you would drafted to have their

1068
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: own shoe? Well, I remember it was crazy was he

1069
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: came in with Monte. It was Mississippi bullish out our

1070
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: little kids, you know what I mean. And I think

1071
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: Monte obviously stepped on the stage before Lou, but then

1072
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: Lou came through and lasted with the longevity. So that's

1073
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: pretty all second round picks. And and I'm glad I

1074
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: stuck around long enough to kind of smell my flowers

1075
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: and get appreciated from my peers and the people I've

1076
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: competed with and against in this game. You know, I

1077
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: think outside the money and the championships and everything, y'all know,

1078
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that we lived for is that acceptance

1079
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: from the guys that you like he was. He was

1080
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: that dude. You know what I'm saying. It so for

1081
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: me to be in year fifteen, had my own shoe

1082
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: come off the bench be considered a underground goat. You know,

1083
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't even think a lot of people understand what

1084
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get across when I say underground goat

1085
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: like you know this. You know it's like you got

1086
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: you g K. But like the goats respect them. Yeah,

1087
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like that jay Z album,

1088
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: jay Z, look up to you g K. You know

1089
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you've got Lebron's and you've got Katie's.

1090
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: Katie Is went publicly and said that he feels like

1091
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm a Hall of Famer. I'm one of his favorite.

1092
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's so like compliments like that,

1093
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: It's worth more than any amount of money could ever

1094
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: do for me, you know, to get get accepted from

1095
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: those kind of guys in this league that you compete against,

1096
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, so because the money don't always reflect that

1097
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: you don't because some guys get the money, you like,

1098
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: still corning. I can't believe that, you know what I'm saying.

1099
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: You hear that a lot, and then you got people

1100
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: that you know O g s like y'all, y'all going aeron,

1101
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: y'all defend my name. You should be making way more

1102
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: than that. That means more to meet than anything, you

1103
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that, So to have my own

1104
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: shoe doog like it's mind blownce ask current players, did

1105
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: you guys see people like me and Jack in the

1106
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: media going hard with you? Did you guys see that

1107
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: and hear that when we're out here going hard for

1108
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: y'all for shows. Sometimes I want to text him and

1109
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: tell him to chill. And one time I hit big Bro,

1110
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: I said, are you wrong on this one? Yeah? You

1111
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: know what the saying. I said, you know you're wrong

1112
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: on this one. You know what I'm saying. But behind

1113
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: the scenes, it's like we hear y'all, We see y'all.

1114
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: It takes something simple as just just like the video,

1115
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: stay out the way let them, you know what I'm saying,

1116
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: Because we're still under that machine so much. Sometimes we

1117
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: appreciate it, you know what I'm saying, even if it's

1118
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: just a hit that like, but just let you know

1119
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm right here. You know, we'll see what what what

1120
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: they hate too. They hate the fact that we got

1121
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 1: the respect and the relationship where when we on TV

1122
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: that I can get a text from you. You know

1123
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They wanted to blow up into something.

1124
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But the fact that the

1125
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: respect of that and it's all coming from a good place.

1126
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: They hate that type ship And whoever gave my microphone

1127
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: some syrup before this? Uh, it's been leaning in the

1128
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: hole and I to just keep dropping. Bron gonna give

1129
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: me the dope fing Mike today. Man, we need to

1130
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: get this finished fixed the next show man, I'm to

1131
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: live for the ship. Go ahead, Man, who is uh

1132
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: in the league right now? Who's the most slept on

1133
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: the player? You think? Or besides shape or starting to

1134
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: make it? Man? Slept on like a young cat. We

1135
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: don't have you have to be young, just something like

1136
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, going to war with like that mother don't

1137
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: get a lot of love. But he can go Drew Holiday.

1138
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: People sleep on great pick Drew Holidays both ways, both

1139
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: ends of the court. Bro Like, I don't think he

1140
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: gets he gets the recognition and the respect that he deserves. Um,

1141
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: that's a great call. Yeah, I like you Holiday? True?

1142
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 1: I hate seeing Drew Carmine on I ain't on front.

1143
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: He does on both ends and he knew all my

1144
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: ship we played together. Who who to you, who's the

1145
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: best player in the game right now, right now today?

1146
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: I think it's Kauai. I think it's Kauai with Katie

1147
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: being out, and then it's Paul right there behind that.

1148
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: And that's not like a and I'm and I'm not

1149
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: saying Lebron because Brown. To me, it's like grandfather then yeah, yeah,

1150
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: like he's in conversation for the Goat, not parent rappers.

1151
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: To jay Z, yeah, he's grandfather then, yeah, you know

1152
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: that would be my pis. So you see Kauai, Katie

1153
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 1: and Paul all right in that mix fighting for the best. Yeah,

1154
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: I think they still? Yes, Yeah, who is the best?

1155
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: Who's your top three all time in the game all time?

1156
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's Lebron? Yeah three, Yeah, that's three for me.

1157
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: I love that. That's my personal right now. Definitely that's

1158
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: your list. Yeah, Penny Hardaway used to be in there.

1159
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: He probably hate what I tell this, tell yeah, I

1160
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: gotta tell it. So you know, look at look at

1161
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: my Mike. Yeah, it's still leaning double comp somebody gave

1162
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: him like a double. Yeah. Man, So you know, I'm

1163
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: originally from Memphis, Tennessee. UM, and so as far as

1164
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: like basketball, like Penny Hardware, people I didn't like because

1165
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: Penny Hardaway he used to give Mike problem because yeah,

1166
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: because at that time, I was like, it's either Penny

1167
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: or Jordan. I'm like, well it's Penny. So growing up,

1168
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: he was always my my goat. He was always my favorite.

1169
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: And um, my senior year in high school, UM, Nike

1170
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: was kind of was kind of coming for me a

1171
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: little bit because they knew I was going to the

1172
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: league and so they had set it up for the

1173
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: Nike rep to introduce me to Penny. He was playing

1174
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: with the Knicks at the time they was about to play.

1175
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: They was playing the Hawks. So I'm excited the whole

1176
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: day in school. I'm like, I'm working for the me Penny,

1177
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: Like this is crazy to me. So the game go

1178
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: on or whatever. After the game, he come out, they

1179
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: walked me down to meet him. He got on the

1180
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: Sooners ship. So, uh, Nike Rep. He say, uh, he'd say, hey, Penny,

1181
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: this is a young kid I was telling you about

1182
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: he thinking about going to the NBA's name Williams from Memphis.

1183
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,959
Speaker 1: Man Penny shook my hand and even acknowledge me, didn't

1184
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: even look at me, gave me no look at one

1185
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: of these and kept talking to who he was talking to,

1186
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: never looked me in my eyes, never said was something

1187
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: dr And I was like, let's you crush me? You

1188
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It did that. We years later

1189
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: we had a conversation about it because every time I

1190
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: was doing the interview, I have shipping on them left

1191
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: every time I had something to say about it. So

1192
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: he we set out. He was just like, man, I

1193
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: apologize he was on purpose. This is that. I was like,

1194
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm dope, bro, Like, yeah, like I

1195
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: ain't tripping, you know what I'm saying that. It ain't

1196
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: a big deal to me no more. I just like,

1197
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: ain't with you? Hyeah, Yeah you're out of my list.

1198
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: That yeah, who retirement being around the corner. We hope

1199
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: you get another five six years. But is there anything

1200
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: you look forward to post career? No, Man, I'm locked

1201
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: in a moment. I'm happy where I'm at. I'm happy

1202
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: like I'm at the height of my career, you know,

1203
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: So I'm in the moment right now. So the only

1204
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: thing I can I can really look forward to his fatherhood.

1205
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, just being a better father

1206
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: than I am. Now, So what would winning the championship

1207
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: mean to you? Everything? Yeah, that solidifies everything that I've

1208
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: worked for, you know, as far as where my career

1209
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: took me. I've done everything individually that I can do. Um,

1210
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: So the ring is the last thing for me going platinum.

1211
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah that'll work too. Yeah, I mean when the ring

1212
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: gona help you go about to say that ring gonna

1213
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: take that, I'm dropping that day. Well, lou man, we

1214
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: appreciate you, man. And that's the rap Man Episode five.

1215
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: All the smoke would arguably the greatest six man in

1216
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: NBA history. You already know. That's the way we need

1217
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: our shoes. Man, we were four teens. We need some

1218
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: We need some shoes. I'm knocking of you. Nigga's out

1219
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: a little proactive man. I would have brought it. I

1220
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: would have brought it with you. Season. We'll get you later.

1221
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: We know when y'all at now. And remember we're gonna

1222
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: do a live show from the pool party. Done deal,

1223
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 1: it's on record. We don't make sure you guys catch

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Speaker 1: a Showtime Basketball YouTube are all platforms, The Stream podcast

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