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Speaker 1: Hey, just a thought rap about something other than the peak.

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Speaker 2: Just a thought. How many different ways you're gonna tell

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Speaker 2: me about that pea baby? Yeah? Hey, by the way,

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Speaker 2: I believe you.

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Speaker 3: All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice Hustle Pa Price.

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Speaker 3: One Slice got the bron Geist Swap all my Life,

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Speaker 3: Poppy grinding all my life, all my life and grinning

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Speaker 3: all my life sacrifics Hustle Pa Bryce, One Slice got

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Speaker 3: the bronick Geist Swap all my Life, Poppy grinding all

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Speaker 3: my Life.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Welcome to another episode of Club Shayshay. I am

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Speaker 4: your host, Shannon Sharp and the guy that's stopping by

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Speaker 4: for conversation and the drink today. This has been three

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Speaker 4: years in the making. He's one of the most successful

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Speaker 4: rap artists of all time. He's the first rapper to

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Speaker 4: a mass ten consecutive platinum selling album. He's the youngest

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Speaker 4: recipient and the first rap artist to ever receive the

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Speaker 4: prestigious Kennedy Sending Kennedy Senate Senator Honor. He was inductive

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Speaker 4: into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He has

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Speaker 4: a star on the legendary Walk of Fame, a Grammy

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Speaker 4: Award winner, an Emmy Award winner, an NAACP Image Award winner.

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Speaker 1: A multi talented actor.

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Speaker 4: Producer, performer, TV personality, musician, entertainer, entrepreneur, a powerhouse in

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Speaker 4: an entertainment industry, a New York Times bestselling author, a

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Speaker 4: music mogul, an avid philanthropist and all around hit maker.

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Speaker 4: Razor Shark Wordsmith, one of the pioneers of hip hop.

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Speaker 4: A father, a husband, we're gonna talk about that. Also

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Speaker 4: a cultural icon, the first rock star of rap, the

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Speaker 4: rap's longest running superstar, almost forty years in the game,

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Speaker 4: a living legend, the one, the only ll COOLJ.

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Speaker 2: Bro. I need I need that long clock in the morning.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. If that ain't inspiration, what is? Bro?

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Speaker 1: We got the toast this Bro.

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Speaker 4: Forty years in the game, everything that you've done, and

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Speaker 4: you still have the urge, the desire to spring up

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Speaker 4: out of bed. And we were talking off camera earlier, like, Bro,

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited to hit this world stage again because

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Speaker 4: it's been a while since you had a world you

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Speaker 4: had a domestic tour, but you says, Man, I'm ready

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Speaker 4: to do this world thing again.

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Speaker 2: Man, I when swung go around the world showing what

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Speaker 2: I do. Man, get the music out there, have some fun,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I'm glad to be here too.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Bro, let's let's talk. This is my

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Speaker 2: this is my own cognac. Yeah shape bso p bro

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Speaker 2: to all your success. I'm not only in the past,

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Speaker 2: but in the future. You know. I don't drink like that.

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Speaker 2: That's that's good.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be it for me, that's all.

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Speaker 2: That's all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I be, I be army crawling to an.

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Speaker 2: This ain't even my will. I don't even know how

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Speaker 2: you got me to drink that shiit. I don't even

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Speaker 2: drink like this water. This water, Oh good god, Yo,

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Speaker 2: it's good.

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Speaker 4: But you're gonna tell us how you made all the hits.

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Speaker 4: Now we got now we've got that in you. You're

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Speaker 4: gonna tell us how you made all the hits.

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Speaker 2: Got even just having fun? Love what you do. It's

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Speaker 2: just like you were sports, right. You know, when you

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Speaker 2: fall in love with it, and if you have the

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Speaker 2: spiritual and psychological and physical gifts or that inclination to

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Speaker 2: do it, you go for it. I'm saying, and I

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Speaker 4: Five years in the I mean five decades, the eighties,

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Speaker 4: the nineties, the twenty.

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Speaker 1: The twenty tens. Here we are the twenty twenties.

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Speaker 4: When you go back and look at it, in the

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Speaker 4: eighties you had rock the bells. I'm bad going back

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Speaker 4: to Cality. I need Cali, I need love. Nineties Mama said,

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Speaker 4: knock you out doing it lounge and Hey, lover a

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Speaker 4: round the way girl, two thousand headsprung love your better Paradise.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 4: What's LL's favorite era of music that he's created?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yo, the new music I'm coming out with

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Speaker 2: is crazy. I really love it, man, You know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like, it's hard for people because see, as

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Speaker 2: an artist, it's different from the commercial considerations. You know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, right, people have experienced a lot. All

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Speaker 2: of those songs you're talking about the new music, a

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Speaker 4: I like the new music, though, it's crazy. How much

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Speaker 4: of the new stuff are we gonna get the old?

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Speaker 4: LLL I don't think you ever get. A true artist

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Speaker 4: is always gonna move the niggle for you know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying. You got evolved, man, Like you know, James

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Speaker 4: if it's a sequel.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a new version. It's gonna be new technology.

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Speaker 2: It's Avatar is different than Titanic. There you go. It's

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Speaker 2: a new approach, you know what I mean. So, like

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Speaker 2: I mean, these records are crazy, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like the joint I got was sweetie. You know it's

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Speaker 2: you know called proclivities. Yes, I mean, you know you

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Speaker 2: know it has it's it's new. It is new, it's

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 4: Hell, you're one of the pioneers of this, and you've

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Speaker 4: seen from the infancy of it. Nobody thought it would

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Speaker 2: Whoever thought? Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: So you you're at the very beginning, the grassroots of

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Speaker 4: this thing, and you see where it is now. Was

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Speaker 4: it easier then to become what you became or is

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Speaker 4: it easier now?

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Speaker 1: Two different, two different things.

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Speaker 2: The barriers to entry were greater than Okay, see hip

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Speaker 2: that level. Okay, to getting a recording contract, right now

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Speaker 2: hip hop is pretty much democratized, which there are some

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Speaker 2: sense that it's like the whole audience can play now, Okay,

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Speaker 2: everybody can bounce the ball, everybody can play quarterback, anybody

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Speaker 2: can be a wide receiver or attempt. So that changes

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Speaker 2: the standards and the way things work. That being said,

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Speaker 2: it's just completely different. Before it was harder to get in,

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Speaker 2: but it was less noise once you got in. Right

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Speaker 2: Now you can get in like this, but it's so

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Speaker 2: much noise. You got to really be you know, you

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Speaker 2: gotta be you gotta really be him or be heard

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Speaker 2: right to actually get heard, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So like me being able to cut through now, like

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Speaker 2: we cracking a different type of code, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, you know, my first joint dropped in

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Speaker 2: eighty four, So for us to be having this conversation

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Speaker 2: and for it to be like it's forty now, it

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Speaker 2: later is another level, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So I don't you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: We haven't had a rapper that have stood the test

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Speaker 4: of time, like LLL. We've seen it when others John

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Speaker 4: R and B. We see it in the movies we

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Speaker 4: can roll. Yeah, we see it in a lot, but

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Speaker 4: not the rap game, not to the level in which

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Speaker 1: What do you think are some of the keys to

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Speaker 1: your success?

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Speaker 2: Keys? First of all, you gotta love it, and you

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Speaker 2: can't be so full of yourself that you can't hear

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Speaker 2: nobody else talking, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, see,

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Speaker 2: see some people they operate in that space and they

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Speaker 2: too cute for everything, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But you can't learn nothing that way. And then you

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Speaker 1: got to humble yourself.

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Speaker 2: Like one of the things I did, like straight up,

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Speaker 2: I went back and studied how to rhyme again. It's

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Speaker 2: jump shot, going back and you know, back on the field,

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Speaker 2: working on your footwork. You know, no, you know, don't

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Speaker 2: It's like, so I had to I really focus on

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Speaker 2: just improving and getting better at what I do, you

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Speaker 1: So it's like.

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Speaker 2: That's the main thing, you know what I mean, is

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Speaker 2: loving it and being creative. And then Also, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the great pool pond asterisks, are they gonna ask Scot?

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Speaker 2: Yeahs asterisk Askcot. With the askot around your net, I

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Speaker 2: can have god damn long cigarette holder, like a like

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Speaker 2: a fucking nineteen four. Like all that, you got to

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Speaker 2: be able to connect with the people, at least for me, right,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I love connecting with the

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Speaker 2: also love the challenge, right because it's like there are

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Speaker 2: There's a don't call it a comeback audience and there's

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Speaker 2: a oh, he raps audience, And there's two audiences are separate,

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Speaker 2: but they're coming closer and closer together now because of

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Speaker 4: So that's you know, you said that you had to

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Speaker 4: you forgot, but because you had done so many other

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Speaker 4: things in between when you originally started. Because you had

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Speaker 4: a TV, you had a sitcom. We're gona get into that,

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Speaker 4: you did movies. We'll get into that you had a

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Speaker 4: TV you got a TV series. We'll get into that.

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Speaker 4: So because you were doing so many other things, did

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Speaker 4: you lose the cats? Did you look?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 4: Did you What did lll lose that caused him to

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Speaker 2: You don't have to lose anything to want to gain something. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. You don't have to like

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Speaker 2: nothing has you know, the desire to get better doesn't

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Speaker 2: just comes with an aggressive spirit, that champion spirit. You

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Speaker 2: want to go get it, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And I know that the game is evolved. I respect

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Speaker 2: the artists out there that are out there now. I

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Speaker 2: respect the way people process the music and the way

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Speaker 2: to try to pick up where I left off. I

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Speaker 2: want to give them a new version. Because you know,

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Speaker 2: when you if you know, if you're gonna coin the

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Speaker 2: if you're gonna coin that term that the whole world

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Speaker 2: you have to be able to deliver on call at

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Speaker 2: any time when it comes to making these music, making

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Speaker 2: this music and making these songs, and so that was

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Speaker 2: what it was, you know what I'm saying. So it's

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Speaker 2: not that I was losing anything. It's just like, Yo,

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Speaker 2: this is an opportunity for me to show people what's possible.

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Speaker 1: We're not used to.

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Speaker 2: Artists going away ten fifteen years no, and re emerging

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Speaker 2: with and being hot. We're used to, Oh he's famous now,

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Speaker 2: but the music's mediocre. Oh he's a celebrity now. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I heard it once and we're used to that. We're

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Speaker 2: not used to, Yo, I can't wait to hear this

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Speaker 2: false album Yo, this Saturday Night special with Joe Yo.

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Speaker 1: This is passion, Yo, these joints is. I want to

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Speaker 2: You know, we're not used to that that level of

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Speaker 1: I took that as an opportunity.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, as you did other things and I don't

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Speaker 4: How much in your own time away from the cameras,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been. I've been in the studio for a

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Speaker 1: Right, this album Cultural Impact.

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Speaker 2: So it's been you know it's been, but it's been

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Speaker 4: You've had a four decade run, so you know what

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Speaker 1: I live for that like. I love yo, I raised

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Speaker 2: Man. The more you you know, the bigger the challenge,

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Speaker 2: I can't get enough of that. Man. That's everything I love. Baby.

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Speaker 4: I hear the passion. I see the excitement that you're exuding.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, Sham. I'm like, I'm the

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Speaker 2: I love all the challenge. I want all the smoke. Oh,

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Speaker 2: they don't think you could win the super Bowl. I

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Speaker 2: these interviews the way I just aggressive, very aggressive. Yes,

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Speaker 2: when it comes to going after my dreams like animals,

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Speaker 4: I've always admired people that have accomplished so much and

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Speaker 1: I'm listening at you.

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Speaker 4: You've got five almost five decades in this and the

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Speaker 1: This is my first album. I can't wait to release this.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait for people to hear me, because you

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Speaker 2: They don't know the rapper. And that's what I love

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Speaker 2: about it. That's the opportunity, that's the opportunity to convert. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: This lady, a teacher. She had played my first single

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Speaker 2: Saturday Night Special with Rick Ross and Fat Joe She

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Speaker 2: he would have been a great rapper if he wasn't

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Speaker 2: That shows you that you have the skill, you have

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Speaker 1: Now it's just a matter of making them aware.

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Speaker 2: I love that, man, I love that, like I love

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Speaker 2: Here we are. I started in eighty four. He is

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Speaker 1: Just put in perspective. It's like when.

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Speaker 2: I think about Kobe, when I think about Yeah, yo,

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Speaker 2: y'all can't believe it, right, You just can't believe it, right, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, were busy, Shaddy. We got a lot of

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Speaker 2: shit going on, bro I believe it. I believe we

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Speaker 2: got lots of It's nah, It's just like you think

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Speaker 2: you know Tom who you know, you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: But I remember seeing Tom at a when he was

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Speaker 1: I said, Yo, you're gonna win.

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Speaker 1: I was just see what he's said. We're gonna kick

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Speaker 2: You know it was you know, but you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's an amazing feeling. Man. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Be compliments you this.

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Speaker 4: It's very interesting because you've been at the game for

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Speaker 1: I mean every now and then, man, But you know,

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Speaker 2: You do realize you've been You got eighty four that's farty, yo.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be real with you, man, And I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you're young and you get a couple

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Speaker 2: I got money in my pocket. You can't tell me nothing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: my grandfather, you say, boy, money don't buy sens though

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Speaker 2: you ain't lying, especially common sense, you know what, I

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Speaker 4: But you were the first that I can recall rapper

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's an answer to that too.

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Speaker 4: So why because obviously you was having success doing it,

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Speaker 2: Well, the answer is, first of all, the risk didn't

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Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like around it, you know.

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Speaker 2: Now you get the real regardless, you know, super juice

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I just was inspired. I was inspired.

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Speaker 4: Man, did you because let me ask you a question,

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Speaker 2: First that you spoke directly to them. Yeah, they a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of them weren't too happy. Shit, they weren't too happy.

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Speaker 4: Were they Were they upset because you did it first?

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Speaker 2: I think they was upset that they were sitting in

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Speaker 2: That's what I think. That's what I think. You know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, make your how was it like because

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Speaker 4: But how would you able to stay so focused because

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Speaker 1: It wasn't, But that's what they you know what.

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Speaker 2: I come with the territory. Man, I was hanging out

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Speaker 1: Little hot. It's a little hot.

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Speaker 2: Yo. So now I just I didn't even I ain't

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Speaker 1: The records a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But like when you're super excited, man, you got that

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Speaker 2: you ain't the fan chair.

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00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 1: On the corner.

437
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 2: He tight he upset, like it's like, how you know,

438
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 2: I just I didn't even get I didn't feel that.

439
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 1: I just never felt that kind of pressure from that.

440
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

441
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

442
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 4: Where do you get? Where did you get inspiration from?

443
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 4: Did you all? Did you always know what you wanted

444
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 4: to be? Were there anything ellll wanted to be outside

445
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 4: of a Yeah, did you want to play sports?

446
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 2: Did you? Of course I wanted to be a football player.

447
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That was like a huge

448
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 2: dream of mine to be a football player. And hell,

449
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 2: are you still in shame right now? Sit right? Give

450
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 2: them give him a run on the field and run off. Yeah,

451
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 2: I give you a I can run on the field, hey,

452
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 2: running back?

453
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 1: You know that was the dream back then. You know

454
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

455
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: Like I loved football and I love boxing. You know

456
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I never wanted to be I never

457
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 2: saw myself be in a boxer, but I was always

458
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 2: in love with boxing and I wanted to play football,

459
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 2: Like that was the two sports, you know what I'm saying.

460
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 2: But I did all kinds of sports growing up. I

461
00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 2: did gymnastics, wrestling, judo, got Karate each one on wing chunk.

462
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just like an athletic.

463
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: That was my thing. You know what I'm saying.

464
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 4: Well, obviously, New York is the birthplace of hip hop

465
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 4: who inspired LLL.

466
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 2: Man all the early all the early mcs, even before

467
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: Vinyl from Treacherous three, from the Cold Crush from you know,

468
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 2: Fantastic Romantic Freaks from then a little later from Fearless four, obviously,

469
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: Grandmaster Flash in the Furious five, you know, Crash Crew, Soul,

470
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: Sonic Force, you know Zulu, you know all of that. Uh,

471
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: And then there was all kinds of artists in between

472
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 2: there like you know, there was you know, it was

473
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 2: Eddie Cheaper's tapes floating around and you know this tape

474
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: floating around, and it was it was the most amazing

475
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: time in.

476
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: The world for me.

477
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: Man. It's like, you know, I felt like as a

478
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: young black man walking around in my neighborhood, you feel invisible.

479
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: Your friends died, nobody cares. You know what I'm saying.

480
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: This was like the first time like that I heard

481
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 2: people sounding so empowered and so strong. It was like

482
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 2: magical for me, you know what I'm saying, Like it

483
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: was magically. It was magical. Man.

484
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 4: Did you know the first time that you started like,

485
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 4: I don't know where. You're in your bedroom, you're in

486
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 4: your basement, and you like you heard somebody do it.

487
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: You're like, I think I can do that one hundred percent.

488
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I know I can do that. Well,

489
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 2: you know what the thing is about about when you

490
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: really want to be successful. You know that it's not

491
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: really about I can do that. It's about the step

492
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 2: toward through that magical duway. You know what I'm talking.

493
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: When you're imagining it, you're seeing it in your mind.

494
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: And then a year as a little kid, you start like,

495
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: remember I started, I became a fan of hip hop

496
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: and became as soon as it was born. I was

497
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: eight years old, as like, and then nine, ten, eleven,

498
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 2: at twelve years old, I started writing eleven or twelve,

499
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: you know, like I've been doing this like literally my

500
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 2: whole life. Real to say, no, oh, I started ten

501
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: years ago, even that this ain't even twenty years ago.

502
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: This is like from eight years old to them fifty

503
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: years ago.

504
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: Yo.

505
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Well, not quite, but we

506
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: might have say, man, yell, we are we are?

507
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 2: We are?

508
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: I think now we know I'm older than you. What

509
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: you got me by a year or two? I'm fifty six.

510
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: Oh I'm fifty six. So what we're saying about what

511
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Okay, congratulations, you're trying to hold it up.

512
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: Oh you try trying to hold engratulations. You know what

513
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: I mean?

514
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 4: We had hey, we we we we close it the

515
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 4: sixty but we look good.

516
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: Don't I feel good? My bone's still hard, you know

517
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: what I mean, all of them that's d dank A

518
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: lot of milk when you was going up something like that.

519
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: You're one of the few.

520
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: I think now back then you might have been your

521
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 4: largest audience.

522
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: In correct me if I'm wrong. You had the females

523
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: from the jump. I don't know, I don't know.

524
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was the lick, lip lick lipping,

525
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 4: a lick lip licking. I don't know if it was

526
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 4: the cane go, the fact, the swag.

527
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: Whatever you do, don't do no rap records, real no whatever, yo,

528
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: whatever you do.

529
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: Know, I'm flow.

530
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: Hell, I have flow.

531
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: I have flow.

532
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 5: No, don't flow on that forty on that foot of

533
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 5: your desk. Yeah, you have some flood. Knock your heads off.

534
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 5: You're gonna take that, You're gonna take their necks off. Yeah,

535
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 5: that rat I'm saying.

536
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 4: But I say, I mean, I mean, your your basic

537
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 4: especially it's it's expanded obviously. But the women loved you

538
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 4: from the jump. You tried to do that too. That's

539
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 4: why you did that.

540
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's why that was the gold. Yeah, of course, man, listen, man,

541
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: I had both audiences. Man, you know, it's it's just

542
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: you know, hey, man, if they was choosing, they was choosing. Bro,

543
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: Like you know, don't blame yo bay women. Women, I

544
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: don't blame the game. No, no, no, because they try

545
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: to see guys are funny. That's like a little tactic,

546
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 2: young little dude jews on me. I had both fans, bro,

547
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: both fans make you like when it rock. The Bells

548
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: had both fans. I'm bad, had both. Do you care

549
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: if they buying records? Yeah? I want them, all of

550
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: them exactly, I want them all of us. So if seven,

551
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: I loved the women, but there wasn't No seventy. But

552
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: it wasn't like that. No, I know, it wasn't No seventy,

553
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 2: But I'm just je was.

554
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: Love four three two one and Love I Shot you

555
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: and Love.

556
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 4: Ill bombed and Love Mama said knock you out. It

557
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 4: wasn't the women saying no. Bama said knock you It

558
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 4: was the guys say no.

559
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: I know, I know, going back to Cali, but you know,

560
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: it's just kind of like you know, you know, you know,

561
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: always trying to undermine it do but guy walks into

562
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 2: the girls and looking at them, you know, it's just like,

563
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: you know.

564
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: He all that.

565
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know, you know what I'm saying,

566
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: he's not a man's man. Yeah, you know something like, No,

567
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 2: I was both audiences man. But I'll tell you this,

568
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: I keep it real with you. I never, like, at

569
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: least early on most of the time with the taking

570
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 2: the shirt off and all that, that was about just

571
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: taking your shirt off because you're a little kid that

572
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: morph than the something else. You know what I'm talking about.

573
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 2: You go like growing up, kids are run around and

574
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: you know, you get seventeen, you got.

575
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: A shirt off.

576
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it ain't like the shirt off like, but we

577
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 4: mainly did that and we had to park play a

578
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 4: ball and they you know, they they lay out there

579
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 4: watching week.

580
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it ain't like Drizzy got their shirt going

581
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: off and sh like. It wasn't like, you know, okay,

582
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: it was just like whatever.

583
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

584
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 2: But nah, man, I love both audiences man, Like that's

585
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: why this album is so I think balancing that regard,

586
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, I wanted to make

587
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: sure that my male audience dudes, like, it ain't about like.

588
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: It's about the art, you.

589
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. Right, like I made the you know, yeah,

590
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: it's warm and this month, hey, this turn off?

591
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean it's all good.

592
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 4: But I just know I'm.

593
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: In a minute, like you know, you ain't gonna have

594
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: no wrinkles because some idea.

595
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. No, No, I'm good, I'm good. I'm good. Yeah.

596
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: Let me ask your question. Do you write or do

597
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: you freestyle? I write? I write my songs.

598
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: I don't.

599
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: I don't know what. Have you ever had a ghostwriter? No?

600
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: No, I've collaborated with people on choruses, collaborated with people

601
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: on different things. But all of these songs that I'm

602
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: thinking of that you come on, bro, I don't even

603
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: know where people like, like, that's a very interesting thing.

604
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: Because I heard they saying I was I don't know

605
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 4: whether Paradise that they said fifty row for you is

606
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: sent wrote the chorus, bro.

607
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: But you heard that too, right, of course I heard it. Okay,

608
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: he wrote the chorus, ain't you?

609
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: And maybe not?

610
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: We've been through this before, acting like the elves can't

611
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: bag him no more, he ain't write that shit that

612
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: you of course, like people be tripping.

613
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: But you know that's a big compliment for me.

614
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you get to the point where you're so

615
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: you've been doing it so long and you're so prolific

616
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: that they look like somebody else shot the basketball. Lebron

617
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: didn't shoot that shit. That was fucking KD. Yeah, KD

618
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: really shot that shit. Or that was yo yo yo

619
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: Steph shot that shit. Like that's how because you've been

620
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: in the game so long. And why is ghost writing

621
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: frowned upon so much? Well, because as an MC, you're

622
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: supposed to write your stuff together. Okay, you know what

623
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you are you know, it's different. Like if

624
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: you get in a studio, Let's say you're working with

625
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: an artist, like and we write a song together, and

626
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm collaborating with somebody on something. That would be different

627
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: from somebody writing my rhymes, writing my verses, writing out

628
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: my lyrics, because then you're not a real MC, You're not.

629
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: It would be like somebody. It's different. It's like being

630
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: a pop act. Wow, it's like being a pop act.

631
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: It's very different collaborating with somebody and sitting there like

632
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: and y'all coming up with lines together.

633
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: That's one way of doing it.

634
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: And you can do that and play around with some

635
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: songs and mess around, but when it comes to doing

636
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: mamait knock you out. But the our sources, but the

637
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: our source a I need you to come up with

638
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: something for no. Nah, bro, Nah, it don't work. It

639
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: don't work me. It's ridiculous And it's funny to me

640
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: because like people just be wanting to like, you know, like,

641
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: do I gotta write some shit right now? Like do

642
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: I have to literally sit here right now write around

643
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: for people to like like what we need to do?

644
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 4: Do you feel people like when people say alf has

645
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: ghost Rider or baby I don't hear that a lot. No,

646
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: but but but do you feel they try to short

647
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 4: change you and undermine you they gotta they gotta, you

648
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 4: gotta do something why they just can't go and give

649
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 4: you the credit but that you deserve.

650
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Shannon, it's like seeing a dude who's in shape,

651
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: he's no steroids.

652
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: It's easier to say that. It's easier to say, oh, you.

653
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 4: Know, because I'm doing what you won't do, like going

654
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Speaker 4: to the GMB like I'm supposed to.

655
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: Yo, dog. I remember when I first lost weight, when

656
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: I did my you know, physical transformation back in two thousand,

657
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: came out with love You Better, Dudes, was runn around

658
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: talking like got I got a rib removed? What fuck

659
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: is he talking about? Bro? Like I got a ghost rib?

660
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: You know, like motherfucker's like, you got the ghost the

661
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: ghost writer?

662
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: Go with the ghost rib.

663
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: Right, you know? And you know why they say this

664
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: because they see a scull over here, Shannon, come my

665
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Speaker 2: appendix taking out bro. Wow.

666
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, people actually do do that.

667
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I know that might seem like an amazing, unbelievable

668
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: now announcement to people, but people get their appenions hanging

669
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: up for sure. All fucker said, I got a rib removed,

670
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: so I collaborate with somebody on the song oh ghost right, dude, is.

671
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 4: Crazy because of some of the heavy hitters you have

672
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: on this album. You think we're gonna hear some of

673
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: some whispers of he no, no, no.

674
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean after this they will because you just put

675
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: it out under ether and this you know it probably

676
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: was five comments, that'll be five hundred. But whatever I

677
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: mean at the end of the day, listen, man, you

678
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: know anybody who you know, if you feel that way,

679
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: then you know there's a you know, there's a lot

680
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: of ways to find out, you know what I mean.

681
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: So you know, if they want to go there and

682
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: we really want to fake, Like if you think that

683
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: I've been rapping since eight years old using ghost writers,

684
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: like you know, if you really hello, you try to

685
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: get down with the verses, I mean, hold on you

686
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: like that, hold on you really versus can't prove none

687
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: of that. What I'm saying is, oh, you do about

688
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: just right battle. I'm saying, like, however you want to

689
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: do it, like we can. We can write, you know,

690
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: we can go back for Biden, you know, like if

691
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: you want to, if y'all want to sit, we can

692
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: go m for em. If y' if yn't want to,

693
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: if y'all want to sit somewhere right, So we could

694
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: do that, and let's just see how go like like

695
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: that's my challenge, so you can talk all they could

696
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 2: toll all that bullshit they want yo. Bring the pen

697
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: in the pad, turn the cameras on, turn the bed on.

698
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: Let's sit in the studio together, Never cut the camera,

699
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: leave it on.

700
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: How long we get, how long we getting it don't matter,

701
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 4: it don't even matter. I bring you, I bring somebody

702
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: in the studio. We're gonna get the cameras rolling. We

703
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: gotta beat. We got one hour. You God damn right,

704
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonnahoop. They ass what I'm gonna who they ask me.

705
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: Y'all heard, y'all heard, y'all heard the man. Shn Yo Shannon,

706
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: all right, Hey listen man, listen, Yo, Shanny. I'm trying

707
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: to tell you, man, I listen to your man. Listen

708
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: to your man. Listen listen. I mean, I know everybody

709
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: want to come up with all these fantasies and these

710
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: tall tales about different ship. But there's a reason why

711
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: the guy who started death Jam is sitting there right here,

712
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: right now.

713
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: There's a reason, Shannon. This ain't This isn't no like.

714
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: There's a reason why the guy who's the first artist

715
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: on death Jam Tela Rockhead.

716
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: It's yours right.

717
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: It was a song. It was on the street Wise

718
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: Party Time label. It was Deaf Jam Productions. I bought

719
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: that record. I made a demo and sent it in

720
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: the Rick ad Rock and the Beast boys heard it

721
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: and sent it. There's a reason why I'm still here.

722
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: And I'm not being cocky. This ain't about no cocky

723
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: rocky shit because I don't do that. That's how you

724
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 2: get your head handed to you. I'm just saying There's

725
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: a reason why I'm still here. You know what I mean.

726
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: You can't manufacture this shit. It not for it is

727
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: not now. You can't manufacture it's broke, not that long.

728
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 2: This is not what it is. So but my thing

729
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: is instead of you guys want they want to comment,

730
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 2: people want to question, You want to question what I am?

731
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: And then you know you want to lace up and

732
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: you want to race Hussein, You want to who saying

733
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: you want to race d On?

734
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: You want to lift you only lift bar in chail.

735
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: All I'm basically saying is man like, I'm ready to

736
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: if we want anybody want to right rhymes and we

737
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: want to sit there and see what that is. We

738
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: could do it and we can just settle it.

739
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 4: How about I think one of the first disc records

740
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 4: that actually heard with you and cool mo d going

741
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 4: back and forth, Right, did y'all did you with that?

742
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: With that official first this that you know it was

743
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: not who was the first distinct There was many of them, but.

744
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, but but y'all made it, But y'all

745
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: made it popularized at that point. But there was the

746
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: Cole Chris Rosus, the Fantastic Romantic. There was mod when

747
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: he went that Busy Bee, which was like really one

748
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: of well co crushing fantastic Romantic were always kind of

749
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: a great back and forth, and Busy b versus Mod

750
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: was like super popular at that time. You know what

751
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like that battle between them two was crazy.

752
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: Now everybody loved that.

753
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: What called what call you and Mod to go at it?

754
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: I mean, the same type of shit you told me

755
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: right now, all this old bullshit ghosts right this dack

756
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: fucking girls, all this some shiit, same shit you told it,

757
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: the same bullshit. It's same bullshit. You know, Like this

758
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: is what they want to hear. Y'all want to hear

759
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: that bullshit. They love it. Man, I can't get away

760
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: from this ship all it wouldn't dude said, oh it

761
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: just make an album. And Yong, who started I gotta go?

762
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: Did you start to he start? You know, I ain't

763
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: start that shit, shity, you just.

764
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: Ain't start to ship this now? Who started this? I

765
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: was just I just sat down. I was just about

766
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: to go a rider. I'm just.

767
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm asking any questions that you haven't

768
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 4: been that you haven't been asked, especially now because they're like,

769
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 4: but damn hell forty years.

770
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: But that's asking like Wemby. You know you got lifts

771
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: in your shoes. You know, it's just like, come on, bro,

772
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: like seventh four dump you asked, yo, you're asking a

773
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: seventh foot that if you got lifts in his shoes?

774
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: Right?

775
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 4: So let me But you know you grew up in

776
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: New York they battle rapping to me, like, because I

777
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: saw I saw the Withe it a documentary of I

778
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: think a document of hip hop, and they had all

779
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: these like you said, uh grand after Flash, you had

780
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 4: Mellet and you had the Cold Crush. You have different

781
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 4: groups and they just meet up somewhere and battle and battle.

782
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: Battle.

783
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 4: Is that how you grew up? Is that why you

784
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 4: like following that? You like, have you did you have

785
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 4: a battle?

786
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: Oh?

787
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. So that's so in order, in order,

788
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 4: So that's how you really cut your teeth. I cut

789
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: my teeth.

790
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: Battling rhyming in public, rhyming and ciphers, indirect battling just

791
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: by rhyming with people. I did it the real way.

792
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: I did everything in hip hop as a MC. You

793
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: could you know, I mean like you know what I mean,

794
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: like the whole thing. I did it battling. I did

795
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: it rhyming and ciphers. I did it being in groups.

796
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: You know, I DJ'ed. I started off DJ before I

797
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,480
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798
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,000
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799
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801
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Speaker 2: in that joint, you know what I mean?

802
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Speaker 1: But look, break dancing graffiti.

803
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,520
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Speaker 1: Why did you decide to get a mic?

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Speaker 2: Man? This thin took me around the world. Sha, This

841
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: thing took me around the world. You know what I'm saying,

842
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: And it's always on the switches on. Took me around

843
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: the world. It's a game changer. Let my voice be heard,

844
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: you know, writing and saying the things that are important

845
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: to me, getting it out there in the world. And

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848
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 2: got to give it to get it, you know what

849
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Speaker 2: I mean.

850
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: And it's just like with this mic man, I mean

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Speaker 1: it was a game changing you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Like I mean, I mean, just just what we

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Speaker 2: did with Death Jam. Just think about how the world

854
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Speaker 2: would be different if we did, you know, if I

855
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Speaker 4: his voice his verse and he said, yo, al, is

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00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: that a mic on your arm? Let me brought it,

860
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 4: Let me borrow that. Yeah, now you didn't take that.

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00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 4: You didn't take it that other compliment. Not At that time,

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00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 4: I was an ego maniac. But I thought, you say

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Speaker 4: you weren't no ego mania.

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00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: No, I said I was. No, I said, I'm not

865
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Speaker 1: an egomaniac right now.

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00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 2: I ain't never tell you. I also said to you

867
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: when I was younger, I was nobody had to say.

868
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: Did I not tell you that? You did? You? Did

869
00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: you know? Your bad prosecute ess? Cannabis? Cannabis, cannabis. He

870
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 2: just got he hit brand into me when my ego

871
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: was a little I should have just said, nah. You

872
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: know he was like because I met him. I saw

873
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 2: him outside of studio and he said, yo, oh man,

874
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get a tattoo just like yours. And I

875
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I get your own. But that's how

876
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 2: it was, you know what I'm saying.

877
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: It was like.

878
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: I felt like somebody's trying to wear my boxing trunks

879
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: or something like, Oh, you're gonna walk in the locker

880
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: room and the dude got your cleats on. That's how

881
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: it felt to me.

882
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: Okay, So when he told you, I mean, so you

883
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 4: didn't look at the side of respect.

884
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: You're like, hold on, brother, stop cold bite? Must I

885
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: get your own?

886
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: He was immature?

887
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was im mature. I wasn't evolved.

888
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: Savage man, savagery man, animal man. It wasn't his fault.

889
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: It wasn't his fault. I mean, you know, he just

890
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: ran into a you know, a maniac. You know, he

891
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: ran into a guy that's so intense that he could

892
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: start hip hop at eight, at eight years old and

893
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: being his fifties still doing it. It's a lot of intensity, right,

894
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: You gotta understand that that comes with a lot of intensity. Yeah,

895
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: like you know when you so, you know, I just

896
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: back then in my mind, it was just like, don't

897
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: even come near anything that's mine.

898
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 4: So you feel like anybody that they were like, they

899
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: were coming, they were coming.

900
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: That al any level. Man Like, don't come near nothing

901
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: that I claim to be mine. I'm defending it like

902
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: a man.

903
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: But you claim it everything.

904
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 4: You can't claim everything everything, everything and her like everything

905
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 4: everything foul, you know what I mean?

906
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: A trailer death, zel, I don't care what star is

907
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: in the New Gladiator. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you got

908
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: like whatever that was. I didn't see it yet, but

909
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 2: I'm just saying everything beat, I'm on it. All man savagery, man.

910
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: Sawed off shirt, sawed out shirt off. I'm running in

911
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: the village. I want it all on everything.

912
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: So when you have these when you have these backs,

913
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 4: you had this disc with Kulmo Dan, you had this

914
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: with Cannabis, when it was all saying done, you bump

915
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 4: into them.

916
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: I love them. I love you now, oh I love you.

917
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: It's only on the field. It's on the court.

918
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: I don't you know, ain't no issue.

919
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 4: We don't take anything. We don't take anything off because

920
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 4: they do that now. No, but you.

921
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 2: Gotta because you know, look man, like one thing about me. Yeah,

922
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: we on the like I talked about the challenges the

923
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: studio rhyme and let's do it. You got questions, let's

924
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: let's let's answer them. But when it comes to like

925
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: treating people as human beings and treating men as men

926
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: and women as women and treating people with respect, I

927
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: do that.

928
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: You gotta give it to get it. I don't play

929
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: them games like I don't.

930
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 2: Do the the cocky rapper Hollywood tough got ship because

931
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 2: you know, na as you know, and especially in football

932
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: because the damn checker he's tough.

933
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 4: Everybody think they toughing football. Everybody talk, We're gonna find

934
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 4: out just how tough you are, exactly.

935
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: That's my point. So you don't put yourself in that position.

936
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: You don't go in the locker room with your chest

937
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: poke out trying to be the baddest dude in the

938
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: locker room, right because you're gonna get knocked out quietly

939
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: by a teammates and they're like gonna talk about it

940
00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: and then everybody gonna be good.

941
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: So don't do that.

942
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: So I learned, so I wouldn't. I would never try

943
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: to go up against these dudes in personal press them

944
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 2: or be uh.

945
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: You know, you know what I mean.

946
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: I don't need to keep it on wax, just keep

947
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: it on wax on vinyl. And that's what I did.

948
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: But that being said, when it comes to that vinyl,

949
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: like I'm very I was, you know, extremely, you know,

950
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: and to a certain extent, I still am, like you know,

951
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: I just you know, I would have to make you know,

952
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: it would just have to be somebody that's worth my time.

953
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: But other than that, you know, like.

954
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: You know, you know, leave me alone, you know what

955
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: I mean?

956
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 4: When that couse you look at jay Z and Nas

957
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 4: fifty and jah Ru had their Tupac, Biggie and now

958
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 4: Kendrick and Drake. If you had if you know what,

959
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put you in there. I don't know who

960
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 4: your who your favorite this either with the mode accounnabis.

961
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 4: But if you had to rank one through one through

962
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 4: five the greatest rap this you.

963
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 2: Can't do it that way. I know what you want,

964
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: but the reason, let me explain you want explain it

965
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: to me, because context is everything.

966
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: Okay.

967
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: It's like there's no way to measure when Kareem was

968
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: playing on Magic and Bird were playing versus let's say

969
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: Lebron now or Stephan can't measure it.

970
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: Okay, two different errors. Not only is it.

971
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: Two different errors, but the Internet, the context of the Internet,

972
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: it saturates everything. So yeah, you know, like the Internet

973
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: makes everything ten times you get a narrative, you know

974
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: what I mean, I'm targeting in your house, some rearranging

975
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: your furniture, I got you know, you know what I mean.

976
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: It's too much. So it's different. That being said, I

977
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: think they were all great for different reasons, and I

978
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: think all of the people that you mentioned are supremely talented. Now,

979
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: some had good days, some had off days, but that's sports,

980
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: that's entertainment, that's art.

981
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: It happens. But all of those dudes are talented.

982
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: Like listen, I'm not like I got respect for those

983
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: guys man, like all of them. I'm not funny style

984
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: like that. And you know what I'm saying in terms

985
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: of I don't know, it depends.

986
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of people don't even realize because

987
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 4: they don't think if if it happened before the Internet,

988
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 4: it didn't happen.

989
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: So now the Internet.

990
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 4: Everything that, oh the Internet, Oh that's the greatest player

991
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 4: we've ever seen, even the greatest.

992
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: Half of them was born before the Internet. I'm like,

993
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: I guess you ain't never happened. I said, bro, stop this,

994
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: So people like dudes don't know that. Yo. It's like, dog,

995
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: you know your mom's was having sex before the Internet.

996
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: You don't believe me. You don't believe me. You don't

997
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: believe your mama was having sex before the Internet. Do

998
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: you believe this is good for If it's good for

999
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: the I think it's great.

1000
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 1: I think it's great in the sense of reaching people. Now.

1001
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: You know, look, dude, does it cause the records? When

1002
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: you got a hot record? You know, people they get

1003
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: into it. Quick and they right, they play that joint.

1004
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: They not like us, Yo, they play them joints. I

1005
00:46:53,640 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: love that joint. They played them joints. Like, you know,

1006
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: it's not like back in the days where the radio

1007
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: will kind of manage your consumption, you know, even the

1008
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 2: TV shows. You have a TV show now, like people

1009
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: gonna listen to that joint. They're gonna watch your whole

1010
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: season in an hour, right, you know, you know when

1011
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: when's the new season. It just made that ship last week.

1012
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: But nah, I think it's great, man, you know, just

1013
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: is it just different?

1014
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 4: But if it gives to a situation like okay, Kendrick

1015
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 4: and Drake and then Rick Ross goes to Canada and

1016
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 4: then you see that situation happen like it does, if

1017
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 4: we just.

1018
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: Gonna keep it on Wax now, you gotta keep it,

1019
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm all for.

1020
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: That's what Ross is my man. Yeah, that you know

1021
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. That's my dog. I have respect for

1022
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: all of them, guys. I don't think that there's any

1023
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 2: reason to go beyond like we have to keep things

1024
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: in their perspective. Man. Lives are too important. All of

1025
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: the people that you name have lives that are valuable, right,

1026
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I like that fifty went

1027
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: through something that was very traumatic in his life. He

1028
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: realizes that the importance of his life. That's why he

1029
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 2: lives it fearlessly. All of these men that you mentioned,

1030
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: and there's women out there too, their lives mean something

1031
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: and they deserve to be able to live, you know,

1032
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 2: and make their music and have a battle, have a

1033
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: friendly battle, have an insult contest, have some fun, but

1034
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: don't take it beyond that. You shouldn't have to lose

1035
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: your life in order to you know, have some fun

1036
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: and have a fun battle, because that's all it really is.

1037
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: Because none of this shit is that serious. Shaman.

1038
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the.

1039
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: Day, you know, if you got to remote control food

1040
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 2: on the table ac and heat you gucci and the

1041
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 2: lights is on, you know what I mean, So it's

1042
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: not that seririous to take you know, somebody like, yeah,

1043
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: we don't need to attack when I see you. You

1044
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 2: gotta my man gotta you know. But a lot of

1045
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: that is also the youthful vibe, like you know, you know,

1046
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: we used to have fights outside movie theaters and you know,

1047
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 2: you know, little things, yeah, a little dust, but yeah,

1048
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 2: you know, you might be young in the Navy and yeah,

1049
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: and you know, a little ballfight ding one, you know,

1050
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: give a due a little touch up. Yeah, but it

1051
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: shouldn't be like, yeah, you know what I mean, not

1052
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: for this right.

1053
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 4: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

1054
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

1055
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 4: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

1056
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 4: simply go back to Club Sha Shay profile and I'll

1057
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 4: see you there.