WEBVTT - Carl Sitter: When Faith Led the Fight

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<v Speaker 1>A deadly winter storm whipped across the Jagged Hill in

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea. It was the last day of November nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty and it was more than twenty degrees below zero.

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<v Speaker 1>The Marines of Company G tried to find a foothold

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<v Speaker 1>on the hill. It was pure ice. They kicked their

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<v Speaker 1>frozen guns, hoping to get them to work. They tried

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<v Speaker 1>to carve fox holes in the rock hard ground. They

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<v Speaker 1>searched for some way to shelter from what was coming,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had to do it fast. They heard the

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<v Speaker 1>sound of bugles and whistles. The Marines knew what that meant.

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<v Speaker 1>They were about to face an onslaught of enemy soldiers,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were totally and completely outnumbered. UN forces had

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<v Speaker 1>been trying to hold this ground for days. Many had

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<v Speaker 1>already been wounded or killed, and some had snuck off

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<v Speaker 1>the hill. They knew certain death when they saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>but not the men of Company g There was something

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<v Speaker 1>that kept them going. It sure wasn't food. Their cans

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<v Speaker 1>or rations were frozen solid. It wasn't adrenaline either. It

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<v Speaker 1>was their captain, Carl Sitter. He moved from one position

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<v Speaker 1>to the other. He checked their guns, but mostly he

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<v Speaker 1>talked to them. He told them they could do it,

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<v Speaker 1>They could fight off the enemy. They could survive and

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<v Speaker 1>hold that heel. Secretly in his heart, Carl believed that

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<v Speaker 1>he might not survive. In fact, he was pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>he would never make it home, but he had faith

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<v Speaker 1>that his men would. I'm j R. Martinez and this

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<v Speaker 1>is Medal of Honor Stories of Courage. The Medal of

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<v Speaker 1>Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>awarded for gallantry and bravery and combat at the risk

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<v Speaker 1>of command, from the supervisory officer in the field to

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<v Speaker 1>they did, what it meant and what their stories tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Carl Sitter

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't your typical marine. He wasn't an amazing physical specimen,

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<v Speaker 1>all muscle and rawn. He was kind of pudgy, round

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<v Speaker 1>faced and kind. But he had a superpower, a talent

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<v Speaker 1>for taking care of his men, shepherding them through the

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<v Speaker 1>worst days of their lives, inspiring them. They knew for

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<v Speaker 1>sure he would never leave them behind. And that's the

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<v Speaker 1>crazy thing. Carl wasn't really supposed to be there. His

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<v Speaker 1>story of leadership is filled with crazy good luck and

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<v Speaker 1>crazy bad luck. His story is about fate and faith,

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of faith that can keep you alive against

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<v Speaker 1>impossible odds. When Carl Sitter got to Korea in nineteen fifty,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't supposed to be leading any marines at all.

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<v Speaker 1>He was supposed to be a Special Services officer. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't know what that is, it's the officer

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of equipment. And Carl's case, that equipment wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>guns or ammo. It was basketball's football and jockstraps. Not

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the job he'd wanted. Carl was only twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was pretty out of shape, so out of

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<v Speaker 1>shape that his superiors had him in a desk job.

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<v Speaker 1>But Carl wanted to be on the front lines, so

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<v Speaker 1>he pushed and pushed. But Special Services was the most

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<v Speaker 1>the Brass would give him. It was a demotion. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>Carl didn't complain. It was a job in the war,

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<v Speaker 1>and he took it for a second because right after

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<v Speaker 1>he got to the base in Japan with all that equipment,

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<v Speaker 1>a typhoon blew it into the water, all of it gone,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's how his career in Special Services ended. The

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<v Speaker 1>Brass had no choice but to give him the job

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<v Speaker 1>he'd wanted in the first place, on the front lines,

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<v Speaker 1>so he was given command of Company G. When his

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<v Speaker 1>Marines looked at him, they couldn't quite believe this dumpy

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<v Speaker 1>guy was going to be their leader. He didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a six pack, but he had something that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other guys didn't experience. He had enlisted when he

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<v Speaker 1>was just seventeen years old, right out of high school.

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<v Speaker 1>He served in World War II, rising quickly through the ranks,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the time the Marines landed in Guam in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty four, he was a lieutenant and had received

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<v Speaker 1>the first of what would be four purple hearts. But

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<v Speaker 1>he also picked up a habit wearing his pistol holstered

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<v Speaker 1>over his heart. Here's why. During one battle he felt

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<v Speaker 1>the slam of a bullet into the left side of

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<v Speaker 1>his chest. He thought, this is it. I'm going to die.

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<v Speaker 1>But wait a minute. He was definitely alive. So he

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<v Speaker 1>touched his chest and he felt warm blood. But he

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<v Speaker 1>also felt the cold steel of his pistol. It had

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<v Speaker 1>stopped the bullet. He would wear the pistol there for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of his combat career. By the time the

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<v Speaker 1>war was over, Carl had a Silver Star and a

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<v Speaker 1>life in the core. Sure, maybe he'd gotten a little

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<v Speaker 1>soft since World War Two, but that didn't mean he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't keen to fight in the next conflict, Korea.

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<v Speaker 2>On Sunday, June twenty fifth, communist forces attacked the Republic

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<v Speaker 2>of Korea.

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<v Speaker 1>That's President Harry Truman.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that the cost of freedom is high, but

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<v Speaker 2>we are determined to preserve our freedom no matter what

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<v Speaker 2>the calls.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, it looked like the United Nations forces would

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<v Speaker 1>make quick work of this new war. General Douglas MacArthur

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<v Speaker 1>led them into South Korea, and they easily drove the

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<v Speaker 1>North Koreans back above the thirty eighth parallel, but then

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<v Speaker 1>MacArthur decided they should try for a second victory, this

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<v Speaker 1>time in the north. By the winter of nineteen fifty,

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<v Speaker 1>UN troops had landed in North Korea and were moving inland.

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<v Speaker 1>They went up treacherous mountain passes and straight into a trap.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't know that around four hundred thousand Chinese troops

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<v Speaker 1>had secretly crossed the Manchurian border to aid the North Koreans.

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<v Speaker 1>Some were battle hardened veterans, and most were so called

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<v Speaker 1>volunteers who had been forced into combat. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>enough weapons, they were fed very little, but there were

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<v Speaker 1>so many more of them, and on the night of

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<v Speaker 1>November twenty seventh they attacked. Chinese soldiers surrounded the group

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<v Speaker 1>of Marines who had gotten the farthest into the mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Americans realized they were outnumbered by the thousands.

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<v Speaker 1>General MacArthur ordered a hasty withdrawal, but then those withdrawing

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<v Speaker 1>troops got trapped. They were miles inland near the Chosen

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<v Speaker 1>or chang Jin reservoir. There was only one road out,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Chinese forces captured it. They were hopelessly stuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Reporters were there to witness the mayhem.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, thousands of Marines and other United Nations forces are

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<v Speaker 3>trapped by overwhelming masses of Chinese Reds who encircle them

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<v Speaker 3>near the chung Jin Reservoir.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl and Company G were in North Korea, but far

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<v Speaker 1>from the fighting that didn't last. Stephen Olmsted was a

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<v Speaker 1>young Marine private in Carl's company.

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<v Speaker 4>Then we got the word, you guys are going to

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<v Speaker 4>join up with your parent thet time.

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<v Speaker 1>They were going to bring ammunition, food, and supplies to

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<v Speaker 1>the trap Marines.

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<v Speaker 4>The people up around the reservoir desperately needed reinforcements, particularly

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<v Speaker 4>some more tanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the troops were near the UN force's last

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<v Speaker 1>best foothold, a town called hagaroo Re. It had makeshift

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<v Speaker 1>hospital facilities and to have constructed airstrip. It was their

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<v Speaker 1>only hope to unite the separated groups of Marines. Hagaroo

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<v Speaker 1>Re had to be held at all costs. Carl's men

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<v Speaker 1>would have to fight their way there up the main

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<v Speaker 1>supply route, that dangerous mountain road. Then they would clear

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<v Speaker 1>the path for all the UN troops to retreat to

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<v Speaker 1>the port and get out of North Korea and they

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<v Speaker 1>would be outnumbered ten to one. There's something important you

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<v Speaker 1>need to know about the Battle of the Chosen Reservoir.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just the enemy that was deadly, it was

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<v Speaker 1>the weather. It was the coldest Korean winter in one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years. Raymond Davis was there, like Carl. He was

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<v Speaker 1>commanding a group of marines.

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<v Speaker 5>The snow cames of Tempture dropped to forty below zero

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<v Speaker 5>into the mountains. My Weather Service said that wind chill

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<v Speaker 5>was something like seventy below zero.

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<v Speaker 1>Weapons froze, shut truck batteries.

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<v Speaker 5>Died, faces covered with the ice. The radios wouldn't work.

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<v Speaker 5>They were frozen food, frozen water, frozen terrible conditions.

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<v Speaker 1>And the men didn't have the right gear. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone including leadership, had been sure they'd be home by Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Their coats were thin. On their feet, they wore something

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<v Speaker 1>called shoe packs. They weren't winter boots, just rubber soles

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<v Speaker 1>and a leather top. They made your feet sweat when

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<v Speaker 1>you marched and freeze when you stopped. Tons of men

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<v Speaker 1>got frostbite.

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<v Speaker 5>Anytime I find a marine down, get him on his feet,

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<v Speaker 5>because he'd freeze to death.

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<v Speaker 1>And now Carl and his men were going deeper into

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains. Carl's company had joined forces with Colonel Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>Drysdale of the British Royal Marines. On November twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>they all set out for the un camp at Hagaroo Re.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Stephen Olmsted again that private in Carl's company.

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<v Speaker 4>We boarded trucks and there was kind of like an

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<v Speaker 4>old Western movie going through what is later called Hellfire Alley.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell Fire Alley is right on one side of the road.

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<v Speaker 1>There were steep drop offs going down thousands of feet.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other side, Chinese fighters held the high ground.

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<v Speaker 1>They turned that mountain road into a shooting gallery.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to jump out and gauge them, drive them away,

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<v Speaker 4>and go and do it all over again.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl was focused and calm as they made their way

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<v Speaker 1>towards Hagaroo Re. At one point they came under intense fire.

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<v Speaker 1>The Chinese had set up a road block up ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and company g sitting ducks. Unless they got out and

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<v Speaker 1>cleared it, their trucks would explode where they stood. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have access to recordings of Carl, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was interviewed many times during his life. Our editor and

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<v Speaker 1>good friend of the podcast, Ben Nadaf Hoffrey, is going

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<v Speaker 1>to read his words here. This is what Carl told

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<v Speaker 1>leather Neck Magazine in nineteen eighty six.

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<v Speaker 6>I yelled for everybody to get off the trucks, and

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<v Speaker 6>it seemed like anybody close to me was getting shot,

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<v Speaker 6>like I was protected by an invisible shield, and I

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't being hit.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl didn't have time to marvel at his survival. As

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<v Speaker 1>the bullets rained down. He raced to the front of

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<v Speaker 1>the convoy. He had to check in with Drysdell, but

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<v Speaker 1>when he got there, he discovered that Drysdell had been shot.

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<v Speaker 1>He could no longer lead the group. Command to Carl,

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<v Speaker 1>in case all of this action has wiped your memory,

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<v Speaker 1>let me remind you Carl wasn't even supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>on the front lines, and he certainly wasn't supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be leading this group of men on this deadly mission.

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<v Speaker 1>But he didn't question it. He had a sense that

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<v Speaker 1>if he was there, it was for a reason. By

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<v Speaker 1>this point it was night. The surviving Marines cleared the

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<v Speaker 1>roadblock and jumped back in the trucks. They rattled forward

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<v Speaker 1>through the dark, unsure of how far they had come

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<v Speaker 1>and how much further they had to go. Tracers and

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<v Speaker 1>explosions lit up the night as they inched towards Hagaroui.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they saw the distant lights of the marine encampment.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl breathed a sigh of relief. There were tents on

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the road. They had to be Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't. Chinese fighters jumped out of the tents and

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<v Speaker 1>the Marines were right back in the battle. Three of

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<v Speaker 1>the trucks went over the side of the road on fire,

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<v Speaker 1>lost for good, and the rest of the convoy hit

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<v Speaker 1>the gas and made it out of the ambush, and

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<v Speaker 1>at nine pm they finally reached Hagaruri. The twelve mile

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<v Speaker 1>journey had taken twelve hours. Of the nine hundred men

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<v Speaker 1>who started out that morning, one hundred and sixty nine

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<v Speaker 1>were killed, one hundred and fifty nine were wounded, and

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and twenty one were missing or captured. That

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<v Speaker 1>left them with less than a third of their fighting force.

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<v Speaker 1>Once they got to camp, Carl told his men to

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<v Speaker 1>get some rest. They would have to sleep on the

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<v Speaker 1>frozen ground.

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<v Speaker 6>Half the people didn't have sleeping bags. I didn't have one.

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<v Speaker 6>I gave mine up.

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<v Speaker 1>When they woke up the next morning, they were covered

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<v Speaker 1>in snow.

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<v Speaker 6>You could see all these holes where people had melted

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<v Speaker 6>through the snow while they slept.

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<v Speaker 1>They were freezing and exhausted. But if the un troops

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<v Speaker 1>ever wanted to leave the chosen reservoir, Carl and his

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<v Speaker 1>marines would have to fight again. They had to take

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<v Speaker 1>East Hill. East Hill rose about five hundred meters above

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<v Speaker 1>the valley floor. It was the high ground. Whoever controlled

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<v Speaker 1>East Hill controlled that one road in and out of Hagarui. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>if the Chinese took East Hill, the Marines would never

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<v Speaker 1>be able to finish the airfield. That means they would

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<v Speaker 1>never get more supplies. They wouldn't be able to bring

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<v Speaker 1>out their wounded, and they're dead.

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<v Speaker 4>If we had not controlled it, physically controlled it. First

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<v Speaker 4>Marine division in all likelihood put him in annihilated.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl would be going to relieve Major Reginald Myers. Myers

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<v Speaker 1>had been fighting on East Hill for two days. He

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<v Speaker 1>and his men were just barely hanging on. Myers needed

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<v Speaker 1>help badly. Here's what interests me as a leader. Myers

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<v Speaker 1>was the opposite of Carl Sitter, a tough marine with

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<v Speaker 1>an old school way of leading his men. If he

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<v Speaker 1>felt they weren't moving fast enough, he'd just well, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>let him tell you. You kick them and you shot

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<v Speaker 1>at them.

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<v Speaker 5>Rather you pulled your pistol out and you fired the

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<v Speaker 5>sh in the air and did everything.

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<v Speaker 1>You could to get him removed. Basically, you treated your

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<v Speaker 1>men like cattle, which is how a lot of guys

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<v Speaker 1>treated soldiers. But let's be honest, that didn't always work.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of Meers' men had gotten off the hill

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<v Speaker 1>as quickly as they could. They took wounded soldiers down

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<v Speaker 1>to the aid station and somehow never managed to go

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<v Speaker 1>back up, And now Myers was down to just seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five men. So on the morning of the thirtieth Carl

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<v Speaker 1>and his marine started up that icy hill, slipping and crawling,

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<v Speaker 1>passing the bodies of fallen soldiers as they made their

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<v Speaker 1>way higher. The Chinese machine guns kicked up dirt and

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<v Speaker 1>shards of ice around them, but finally they got to

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<v Speaker 1>the top, they began to dig in. They tried to

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<v Speaker 1>carve out fox holes in the ice, but their tools

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<v Speaker 1>snapped like machsticks. They knew the counter attack was coming,

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<v Speaker 1>and at ten thirty that night it did a Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>illumination grenade went off, and the sky turned to a

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<v Speaker 1>sickly green, and the dim light, the Marines could see

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<v Speaker 1>the hill below them. There were so many men climbing

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<v Speaker 1>up it looked like the ground was moving. The sound

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<v Speaker 1>of their bugles and whistles cut through the icy air.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl told the Richmond Times Dispatch in nineteen ninety three

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<v Speaker 1>that it was the scariest sound in the world.

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<v Speaker 6>If you're not afraid, you're stupid. I think everybody was afraid.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl's men looked up at him with hopelessness. They were

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<v Speaker 1>so outnumbered, but Carl knew what his job was, not

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<v Speaker 1>to force them like myers, not even just lead them,

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<v Speaker 1>but to motivate by understanding what they were going through.

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<v Speaker 6>Those people were depending on me, and when they depend

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<v Speaker 6>on you, you have to live up to their expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>And soon enough the enemy soldiers were right on top

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<v Speaker 1>of them.

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<v Speaker 6>It was hand to hand grenades that night. You're all

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<v Speaker 6>hepped up and the bugles screaming and people screaming. It

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<v Speaker 6>seemed to me they kept coming and coming.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a free for all, everyone shooting at close range,

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<v Speaker 1>and when the bullets ran out, they hit each other.

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<v Speaker 1>With helmets, stabbed them with bayonets. Carl was hid in

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<v Speaker 1>the face and chest by grenade fragments, but he kept

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<v Speaker 1>shooting back with that pistol he kept holstered on his heart.

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<v Speaker 1>The blood froze on his wounds, but against those crazy odds,

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<v Speaker 1>Carl's men held the lie. They held that hill all night.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the sun came up, Carl had a view across

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<v Speaker 1>the valley and what he saw was awful bodies everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>and about a thousand more Chinese troops forming up to

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<v Speaker 1>get back into the hills. He knew they would return

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<v Speaker 1>that night, and he knew he didn't have enough men.

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<v Speaker 7>To take them.

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<v Speaker 1>So he had a crazy idea. He called down to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the hill and asked for any able

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<v Speaker 1>body man to be sent up east hill. Cooks and

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<v Speaker 1>supply people and engineers answered the call. This ragtag crew

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<v Speaker 1>made their way up to join Carl and his marines.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl was already an improbable leader, and now he was

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<v Speaker 1>leading men who weren't even supposed to be fighting. But

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<v Speaker 1>if anyone could inspire them, it was Carl. In nine

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<v Speaker 1>nine nine, he told a Richmond Times Dispatch reporter that

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<v Speaker 1>he had total faith in those men, even if he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't sure he would survive.

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<v Speaker 6>I had no doubt we were going to get out

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<v Speaker 6>of there, but I didn't know if I personally would

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<v Speaker 6>make it.

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<v Speaker 1>As darkness descended again, the enemy returned in full force,

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<v Speaker 1>just as Carl had feared. The hill was rocked with

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<v Speaker 1>mortar fire. The Chinese soldiers attacked, and group after group,

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<v Speaker 1>their numbers seemed endless. All through that long night, Carl

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:44.639
<v Speaker 1>exposed himself to fire again and again, just so he

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<v Speaker 1>could take care of his guys. He went from foxhole

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<v Speaker 1>to foxhole, adjusting machine guns, telling his men to stay

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<v Speaker 1>strong and hang on. Once again, he was wounded, hit

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<v Speaker 1>with an in the face, chest and arms, but he

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<v Speaker 1>would not leave. All of his other officers had been hit,

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<v Speaker 1>or evacuated or killed. He felt it was his duty

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<v Speaker 1>to stay.

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<v Speaker 6>They knew that I wouldn't leave them, and when they

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<v Speaker 6>believe in you, then things can get done that maybe

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<v Speaker 6>under normal conditions would never get done. But these were

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<v Speaker 6>abnormal conditions, and people had faith in themselves and their

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<v Speaker 6>units in the core, That's what all boils down to.

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<v Speaker 1>And then just before dawn, the attack slowed. As the

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<v Speaker 1>sun rose, it was quiet. They were alive. Carl Sitter

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<v Speaker 1>had led his team of supply guys, Cook and Maarines

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<v Speaker 1>through the darkest night. He had believed in them, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they had believed in themselves. Carl and his marines

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<v Speaker 1>would spend one more night on East Hill, but the

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<v Speaker 1>attacks wane. Soon the airport at hagaroo Ree was open.

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<v Speaker 1>Reinforcements and supplies were finally on their way. Carl had survived.

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<v Speaker 1>Only ninety six of his men walked off that hill

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<v Speaker 1>with him. He took no personal credit for the victory.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he thought this is why he had that invisible

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<v Speaker 1>shield around him on the road to Hagaroori, this is

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<v Speaker 1>why God had saved him when so many others had fallen.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl's grandfather was a Presbyterian minister. Religious faith was core

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<v Speaker 1>to the family, and I think that faith helped Carl

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<v Speaker 1>feel like he could do what he needed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>The UN forces fought their way back down those mountain

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<v Speaker 1>passes towards the port. The men must have all been

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<v Speaker 1>shell shocked by that point, exhausted, but Carl's leadership didn't waiver.

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<v Speaker 1>He made sure that his men knew that they mattered

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<v Speaker 1>and that he would not leave a single person behind.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Olmsted remembers it well.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt that if I were a hit, killed, or

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<v Speaker 4>badly wounded, my fellow marines, the guys on my right

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<v Speaker 4>on my left would get beyond the hill and take

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<v Speaker 4>care of my body, And that meant a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>On December eleventh, the last American forces reached the port

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<v Speaker 1>of hung Na, where ships were waiting to take them home.

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<v Speaker 7>Company G was decimated, badly shattered, men and men frostpitten

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<v Speaker 7>beyond belief in the terrible cold, are put aboard platons

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<v Speaker 7>for a safe harbor.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl had survived, but the battle had changed him. It

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>had shown him how fleeting life was, how fragile we are.

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<v Speaker 1>There was something else that struck him that all the

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<v Speaker 1>men noticed. As bad as it had been for the Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese soldiers had it even worse. They had been

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<v Speaker 1>cannon fodder. It seemed like no one in their leadership

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:45.679
<v Speaker 1>expected them to survive. Here's Raymond Davis again.

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<v Speaker 5>They didn't have our children, didn't have air. We found

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<v Speaker 5>whole Chinese units frozen to death, tennis shoes and no shocks.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl's heart went out to those enemy fighters, even after

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<v Speaker 1>after what he had faced. He felt sympathy and respect

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 1>for them. He saw their humanity. Carl eventually returned to

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the States. He got promoted again, and then he got

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the call to go to his commanding general's office. He

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be awarded the Medal of Honor by

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>President Truman. Carl and Reginald Myers, the major who had

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<v Speaker 1>started the battle on East Hill, both received the medal

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 1>at the White House. Reporters were there to film it.

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<v Speaker 3>Two marine officers received from the President's hands the nation's

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<v Speaker 3>highest award, the Congressional Medal of Honor. Major Reginald Myers

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<v Speaker 3>is joined in the occasion by his family. Both he

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<v Speaker 3>and Major Carl Sitter were cited for their heroic conduct

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<v Speaker 3>during the disastrous retreat from the chung Jin Reservoir a

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<v Speaker 3>year ago in Korea.

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<v Speaker 1>But Carl didn't believe he did anything particularly special.

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<v Speaker 6>Or I had the easy job, because as commanding officer,

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<v Speaker 6>you're worried about the troops and hoping your past training

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<v Speaker 6>and everything will give you the knowledge to go ahead

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<v Speaker 6>and do the right thing, and you hope the mission

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<v Speaker 6>will be completed. The hardest position was some private down

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<v Speaker 6>there in a hole, and the only thing he knows

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<v Speaker 6>is someone's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl stayed in the Marine Corps for a total of

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years. He had a full life, a family, two

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<v Speaker 1>boys and a girl, and after he retired from the service,

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<v Speaker 1>he and his wife Ruth settled in Richmond, Virginia. Carl

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>worked with the Department of Social Services. He retired again,

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<v Speaker 1>but he had spent the decades since Korea thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>why he had been spared when so many others had died.

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<v Speaker 1>He wondered what God wanted from him. Was fighting in

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<v Speaker 1>wars really what he was put on this planet to do.

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<v Speaker 6>What war does is destroy people on both sides, and

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<v Speaker 6>it takes many years to get back what we destroyed.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't really win anything by war, and so he.

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<v Speaker 1>Dug into his faith. What he found there was a

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<v Speaker 1>core lesson.

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<v Speaker 6>God says we're to love everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen ninety seven, when he was seventy four

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<v Speaker 1>years old, he decided to get a master's degree in

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<v Speaker 1>Christian education. He knew he was too old to be

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<v Speaker 1>a minister. His plan was to volunteer to help the elderly,

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<v Speaker 1>but then his friend Bill Crawford passed away. Crawford was

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<v Speaker 1>a Medal of Honor recipient from Pueblo, Colorado. Carl had

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>grown up in Pueblo too, so Carl flew out to

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<v Speaker 1>the funeral. It was a cold and windy day, but

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Carl insisted on joining the procession to the cemetery, standing

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<v Speaker 1>outside for the service, brave the elements being there to

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 1>honor his friend's heroism and service. After all, he stood

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>out in far worse weather than that. When he got home,

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Carl came down with the cold. The coal turned to pneumonia.

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<v Speaker 1>He died three weeks later at the age of seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 1>What I love about Carl's story is how grounded it

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<v Speaker 1>is in faith. Not faith in higher power necessarily, though

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:37.719
<v Speaker 1>he certainly had that. I'm talking about faith in the

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>potential of others. Carl's men had faith in him, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had faith in them. It was a virtuous circle,

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<v Speaker 1>and that circle made them all stronger. It inspired them.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Carl's superpower. It's an amazing way to lead,

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<v Speaker 1>and more than that, it's a beautiful way to live.

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