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Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Schamplain. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi, I'm Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the

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Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode, will discuss

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Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have

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Speaker 1: survived physical death, and so will we. Welcome to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. As an afterlife investigator, I'm sure you've

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Speaker 1: researched all kinds of things like I have, from the

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Speaker 1: regular things about the afterlife to the kind of strange

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Speaker 1: and one of the things I came across was a

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Speaker 1: YouTube video called the afterlife investigations, the Skull Experiments. Well,

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Speaker 1: I happen to have the book Witnessing the Impossible by

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Speaker 1: Robin Foy, and it follows a journey of Robin and

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Speaker 1: his wife Sandra, who have investigated psychic phenomena for over

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Speaker 1: forty years. So this Skool experiment had some pretty amazing

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Speaker 1: things happened, and they recorded over a thousand hours of phenomena.

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Speaker 1: They experienced spirit voices, spirit materializations, apports which are objects

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Speaker 1: where they had a sealed rolls of film never put

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Speaker 1: enjoy hearing from Robin Foy himself. Robin, welcome to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. Thank you very much. We're so grateful

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Speaker 1: How did it all begin getting interested in the afterlife? Well,

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Speaker 1: I've always had an interest in ghost stories from being

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Speaker 1: From that moment on, everything sitting to change. And within

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Speaker 1: People could recognize you very much. So when when we

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Speaker 1: to be. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sanders Champlain and we are with Robin Foy from the

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Speaker 1: Skull Experiment. Robin, you said the first kind of communication

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Speaker 1: Very developed what they called extended voice, so that in

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Speaker 1: same as the independent voice that Leslie Flint had, except

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Speaker 1: that it was done in a different way. We always

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Speaker 1: used by physical mediums who were working with ectoplasm. Working

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Speaker 1: with the energy as we were, there's absolutely no danger

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Speaker 1: We then had direct voice, but which was coming through

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Speaker 1: And then finally the spirit wanted us to produce a

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Speaker 1: because there's so skeptical. Members are so skeptical that generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we did, because in physical mediumship

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Speaker 1: There's more Sheets of the Afterlife coming radar. Yeah, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and

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Speaker 1: we are with Robin Foy from the School Experiment. Now, Robin,

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Speaker 1: you were just talking about the spirit lights that would

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine when he first started witnessing some

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Speaker 1: believe in life after death. Now. I always say to them, now,

435
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't, and they look at me a bit of scants,

436
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: and I say, well, I know that it goes on.

437
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: I know that it's genuine. And there's an awful difference

438
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: between knowledge and believe. Oh that's a good distinction to know. Yes,

439
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: there's certainly is, Yeah, there's faith there's belief and then

440
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: there's knowing. Well, that's right, I mean, we we work

441
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: with the Spirit Team helping them with their development. We

442
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: used to eventually sort of get sheets of light which

443
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: would illuminate spirit figures who have been teleported into the room.

444
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: Not only that, but the Spirit Team developed the spirit

445
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: lights so that they could heal people. We saw that

446
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: the spirit lights were actually going into the body, and

447
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: we used to get these little spirit lights would actually

448
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: I mean visible to absolutely everybody, but they would shoot

449
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: into your body. And I was used as a bit

450
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: of a guinea pig, so that in the early days,

451
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: one of these spirit lights was shooting into my chest

452
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: and I could feel it actually fluttering around all around

453
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: my body inside like a little butterfly or something. And

454
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: then after five minutes or so, it would shoot them

455
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: out of my arm or something similar to that. And

456
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: we had a lot of people that had some wonderful

457
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: healing through that. Again, when we were demonstrating out into California,

458
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: there was one lady out there who had sort of

459
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: been arthritic for many many years and could hardly walk,

460
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: and her knees were really clammed up and she couldn't

461
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: do anything with them, and she came and sat with us,

462
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: and one of these little spirit lights went into one

463
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: of her knees and came out again about five six

464
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: minutes later. After that, when she got home, she realized

465
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: she hadn't got any pain whatsoever left in that knee,

466
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: and she'd had it for years. So her answer to

467
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: that was she came back again in another week and

468
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: sat with us again, a little spirit light went into

469
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: her other knee. We were all seeing this as it happened,

470
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: and then it did exactly the same, and she she

471
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: lost all the pain from that other knee. And you

472
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: know now, I mean this was going back to about

473
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: nine over twenty years later now, and she's still not

474
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: got any pain. Robin, when you first sat in these circles,

475
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 1: even the school experiment, does it take time before the

476
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: phenomena starts happening. Yes, he does. And I have to

477
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: be honest about it. I mean, if you're if you're

478
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: working with ectoplasm, and several of the mediums today are

479
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: still developing using ectoplasm, then it can take anything up

480
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: to fifteen twenty years. You've got to be extremely dedicated,

481
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: extremely committed, and very passionate to be able to sit

482
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: there and develop it. But that's the ectoplasmic way of working.

483
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: If you're working in a newer way using energy, it

484
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: starts to develop, generally speaking, within months rather than years.

485
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: Our spirit team literally dictated for us a base guide,

486
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: which many many people have used since then. It can

487
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: still be downloaded, uh, and it really gets anybody that

488
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: wants to start. It goes through absolutely everything. So many

489
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: people have taken that guide up and downloaded it are

490
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: doing extremely well with their phenomenon now for present day

491
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: to be able to encourage people and give people the

492
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: tools to start these circles on their own. Um. And

493
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 1: I've spoken to people that are in small circles and

494
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: things are levitating and voices are coming out of a trumpet.

495
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: And and even a fellow that I just talked to

496
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: has put out of Facebook question not too long ago,

497
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: and he's already come up with three hundred groups that

498
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: are small and practicing, and many of them started with

499
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: your basic guide. Absolutely yes, oh wow, this is exciting things,

500
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: but it takes people dedicated right and meeting on a

501
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: regular basic If you're really going to get into it,

502
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: you do have to have those three things. You've got

503
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: to be totally commit tead and you have to be

504
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: dedicated to it, and you really have to be passionate

505
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: and believe in what you're doing. Yeah, and then the

506
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: sky's the limit. I know, it's a very intelligent spirit world,

507
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: and I'm sure there are members on the Spirit team

508
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: in that realm that are interested in more people experimenting

509
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 1: and maybe what else is possible besides what's already been

510
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: done before. Very very much so, and I'm sure there

511
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: are brand new ways of working even now that are happening.

512
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: And when you think about how fast technology has changed

513
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: and gone forward over here, you know, on Earth, then

514
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, generally speaking, it can be a lot faster

515
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: in Spirit. And I think that it's quite possible. Absolutely

516
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: anything's to be done. I mean, I believe that Spirit

517
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: can do anything they want to do, and they're looking

518
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: for us to be their partners on this side. I

519
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: think that's right. Yeah, I mean they referred to us

520
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: as ambassadors for the spirit world, which is probably a

521
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: good way of looking at Could you talk a little

522
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: bit about the video evidence that you have captured. Yeah,

523
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: that's that's another aspect, of course, is that we started

524
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: to do video experiments, but sort of working with them,

525
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: and they produced some very very good work, but it

526
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: took a long time. We started off by by hiring

527
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: a video camera and didn't really get very far. And

528
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: then we had a couple of our Spirit Team members

529
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: who were Spirit World scientists who came along and suggested

530
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 1: ways that we could set up this using mirrors and

531
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: using to video cameras. We've got some fantastic stuff in

532
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: the end on video, I mean we were actually getting

533
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: animated video pictures of e t s amongst other things.

534
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: And of course we actually had visits from et s

535
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: who were teleported into the group on a few occasions,

536
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: and that in itself was quite fantastic. But there was

537
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: so much on the video camera. I mean, the first

538
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: video camera we had that we owned was donated by

539
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: a doctor in Switzerland. Eventually we were getting these animated pictures. Again,

540
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: it took a good two years really to get the

541
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: video work, to get it developed sufficiently well for them

542
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: to be able to do this, but we really did

543
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: get some very good stuff there. Just incredible. And now

544
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: can you speak about apports, I am totally fascinated that

545
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: something could come out of nowhere. Well again, that was

546
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: one of the very first things that we got there

547
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: was an apport of a coin called a Churchill Crown

548
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: which had a picture of Winston Churchill on it. I

549
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: think they're still around in the UK, and I have

550
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: to think about it because I work in Euros over here. Now.

551
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: That was the very first thing we got. It was

552
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: a Churchill crown and we got to look from spirit.

553
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: They said, this is to prepare you for something quite wonderful,

554
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: and it's only the start of the process that's going

555
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: to be quite amazing from our point of view. We

556
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: had something in the region of a hundred and fifty

557
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: ports from a different times, all sorts of different things,

558
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: very small charms for charm bracelets. There was one of

559
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: a Noah's Art that was brought for us. I think

560
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: because I've started this Noah's Art Society. There is another

561
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: book which I think you can get from Amazon. I

562
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: don't know whether you've had that, which is called In

563
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: Pursuit of Physical Mediumship. Sitting right next to me, I'm

564
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: a big fan Raman that goes into it quite deeply.

565
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: And some of the things that that we had at

566
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: the beginning. We had all sorts of things, you know,

567
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: some little bits of jewelry. Nothing dramatically expensive or important.

568
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: But one of the things we had, for instance, of

569
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: just to show that they had a sense of humor,

570
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: was that they brought us one of these seaside postcards

571
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: which sort of had depicted somebody in a science and

572
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: they stead of saying, you know, if you're alive, speak

573
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: to us. If you're not, then then go away. But

574
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: not only that, but we had some sacred ash was

575
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: apported on one occasion, and this we thought might be

576
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: a little bit like the booty that people have talked about.

577
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: One or two of us lipped our finger and just

578
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: put it into the ash and tasted it. We were

579
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: quite shocked when we discovered it was actually the ashes

580
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: of an Indian holy man. Oh my goodness, but that

581
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: in itself. And also were watching a program on the

582
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: television before we went down on one occasion, and this

583
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: was a wildlife program and they had monkeys in it.

584
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: When everybody arrived, of course, we turned a television off.

585
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: We went down into the cellar which is where we

586
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: held at we've not been there very long, and started

587
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: the sitting when there was a big bang on the table.

588
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: A sounders are a brick and land on there and

589
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: when the lights went on at the end, this was

590
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: actually a wooden carving about six inches long of a monkey.

591
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: So they were telling us that they've been watching the

592
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: television with us. That sort of thing, you know, was

593
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: it was it was quite normal for for some of

594
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: the things that came through from there. We had, for instance,

595
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: some Christine newspapers that looked as though they had just

596
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: come off the press that were from the nineties. Wow, this,

597
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, was in the nineteen nineties, and it was

598
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: wartime newsprint, so that if you sort of opened them

599
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: up to the air or to the sunlight within a day,

600
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: they would have gone totally yellow. But they weren't. It

601
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: was in very good condition news paper. And the three

602
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: guys who came and sat with us from the spr

603
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: actually had a very small bit of this. One of

604
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: these newspapers sent off to an organization that tests paper

605
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: organization called Pyrah Print Industry Research Association, and they were

606
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: able to come back and verify that this paper is

607
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: genuine wartime newsprint, which was absolutely unbelievable that all that

608
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: time later, about fifty years after the war, these things

609
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: were they're looking absolutely perfect, and we put them in

610
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: air tight containers afterwards, but within a week, even though

611
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: they were in air tight containers, they had all gone yellow.

612
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: So it just simply spectacular. Yeah, it's hard to have

613
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: a skeptical mind, not just as skeptical, but you know

614
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: how some people say it just can't be true, can't

615
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: be and have those things happen. I bet there's been

616
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: quite a few lives changed learning about the school experiments

617
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: and even sitting in with some of your group from

618
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: time to time. That's now, that's right, I mean it did,

619
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: it did actually change a few people's lives. Well, when

620
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: you think of the reality of life after death, it

621
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: gives questions and could give meaning to what is our

622
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: life for right now? Well exactly, yes, yes, Robin, let's

623
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Speaker 1: go into our last break now, and when we come back,

624
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,440
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Speaker 1: your recording. That's Coast to Coast am dot com. Welcome

637
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and

638
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: we are with the one and only Robin Foy from

639
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: the School Experiment. Robin, You've experienced so much and I

640
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: know it really makes a difference in how we live life.

641
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts of what you think the

642
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 1: purpose of life might be. I think that the earth

643
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: basically is a schoolroom. We come to learn, We come

644
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: to sort of get experiences that we need for our

645
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: onward progression. I would agree. Could you just describe your

646
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: two books that I have in front of me. Your

647
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: first is In Pursuit of Physical Mediumship. That's right now,

648
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: that that book basically gives everybody the picture of exactly

649
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Speaker 1: what happened with me, how I got into it, my

650
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Speaker 1: early interest, some of the circles that we we've been

651
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Speaker 1: involved in, Sandra and I over the years that we've

652
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Speaker 1: been married, and the early part of the school Experiment,

653
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Speaker 1: how it came about who was involved, etcetera. Really it's

654
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Speaker 1: a it's a bit of a sort of psychic autobiography

655
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Speaker 1: in many ways. The other School Experiment was written totally

656
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Speaker 1: differently because it's the only book that he is completely

657
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Speaker 1: true and by people that witnessed absolutely everything that was

658
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Speaker 1: involved in there, so that it's got a description of

659
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Speaker 1: every shitting that we had. This is Witnessing the impossible.

660
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Speaker 1: You're speaking okay, okay, witnessing the impossible. And it's a

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Speaker 1: big book, very very heavy, very heavy. And you send

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Speaker 1: that are you mailing those from Spain? Is that how

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Speaker 1: that's they're going out from the UK? I've got that's

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Speaker 1: for me, yes, because I know that it's not on Amazon.

665
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Speaker 1: It's something that I ordered directly from your website. I'm

666
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Speaker 1: really excited about this because it's like what what's possible?

667
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Speaker 1: And and I think like you've focused in with the

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Speaker 1: school experiment doing something more modern, getting involved with physical

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Speaker 1: mediumship and what's possible even out and I think there's

670
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Speaker 1: so many people that don't even know that any of

671
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Speaker 1: this happened, don't know if the existence of it. Might

672
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Speaker 1: have heard some stories from the you know, the early

673
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Speaker 1: days of physical mediumship. But the fact that if you

674
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Speaker 1: have a passion for it now and you're dedicated and

675
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Speaker 1: you set the time aside, who knows what's possible, any

676
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: anything is possible. That's absolutely true. I think that perhaps

677
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Speaker 1: when this big movie comes out, sort of the full

678
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Speaker 1: screen movie as we think it might be, then it's

679
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Speaker 1: gonna teach an awful lot more to other people about

680
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Speaker 1: what is possible. Let's talk about the movie. There's a

681
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Speaker 1: movie being created right now, correct, that's correct, Yes, it is. Yes,

682
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Speaker 1: Yet we let us know a little bit about that.

683
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Speaker 1: I mean being written by by two people who wrote

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Speaker 1: the four first book about our experiments called The Skull Experiment.

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Speaker 1: That's Granton Jane Solomon. Uh and that book is is

686
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Speaker 1: obviously that's available as well, not from us, but that

687
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: can come through Amazon. And they're also sort of working

688
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: writing it along with a big screen producer. So it's

689
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Speaker 1: not all that far along yet. But the point is

690
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Speaker 1: that in the project has started and it looks as

691
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Speaker 1: though it's going to happen. Oh, that's wonderful. Now, let's

692
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Speaker 1: talk about your website Physical Mediumship for you. What is

693
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Speaker 1: it that about. Well, basically, it's purely and simply trying

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Speaker 1: to bring people together. I mean there's now more than

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Speaker 1: three thousand members on there. I've run it since I

696
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Speaker 1: think I started in two thousand and nine, and it's

697
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Speaker 1: really trying to bring people together that are interested. Several

698
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Speaker 1: of the members on their already run circles, and several

699
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Speaker 1: of the people on there are really quite interested in it,

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Speaker 1: So we're trying to sort of bring a lot of

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Speaker 1: information and education to people through that. It's a preside

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Speaker 1: it doesn't cost anything to join. There are an awful

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Speaker 1: lot of pictures on their. Many of those are posted

704
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Speaker 1: by members to do with all aspects of the physical

705
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Speaker 1: mediumship and phenomena that comes from that. Yeah, it's nice

706
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Speaker 1: to have a home, to be able to see what

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Speaker 1: other people are doing, share your experiences. Being new, even

708
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Speaker 1: knowing about physical mediumship, I had some questions, well how

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Speaker 1: do you start a circle? And then all of a sudden,

710
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Speaker 1: how did I was led to your website by whatever

711
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Speaker 1: invisible force and I downloaded a basic guide and the

712
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: next thing I know, I've found myself on the physical

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Speaker 1: mediumship for you, and I joined that site. Not that

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Speaker 1: I've done any experimentation or anything, but just to see

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Speaker 1: that there is a community of people. Anyone of the

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Speaker 1: members on their themselves very good physical mediums. I've got

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Speaker 1: an extremely good friend in Germany who is a superb

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Speaker 1: physical medium. He works basically with the ectoplasm, but I've

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Speaker 1: got a feeling that he's probably his medium. It's probably

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Speaker 1: a mixture now of ectoplasma energy, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's quite as dangerous as it used to be in

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Speaker 1: the old days. He was working now with some scientists

723
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Speaker 1: in Switzerland to try and help them with their investigations.

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Speaker 1: I think that the spirit of working more and more

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Speaker 1: to bring the spirit lighting and develop the spirit lighting

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Speaker 1: that will allow people to witness these things. Is there

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Speaker 1: anything I should have asked you that I have not,

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Speaker 1: or anything else you want to share. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's anything at all much that I mean, we had

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Speaker 1: levitation um sort of as well. I mean, there were

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Speaker 1: just so many different things that could be added to

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Speaker 1: to the stuff that we did. One of the things

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Speaker 1: that you might find exciting for your listeners are the

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Speaker 1: percussion phenomena and the musical phenomena that that we got.

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Speaker 1: Our friend Dr hamps Share in Switzerland has a finer

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Speaker 1: out on the island of Abtha, and we went there

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Speaker 1: to demonstrate the skull experiment in the very early days.

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Speaker 1: That was our first overseas trip with it. He was

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Speaker 1: very much a musician. He had a trumpet with him.

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Speaker 1: He always does, not the seance trumpet, that's the musical

741
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Speaker 1: trumpet when he goes out to stay in his pinker

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Speaker 1: or his villa out in Ibifa, and he asked us

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Speaker 1: when we had a session there, could he put a

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Speaker 1: trumpet on the table in front of him, and the

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Speaker 1: spirit team said yes, no problem, couldn't guarantee that anything

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Speaker 1: would happen. But he did that and in fact took

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Speaker 1: off the mouthpiece so nobody could stand there and make

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Speaker 1: that noise through it. But sit did actually achieve what

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Speaker 1: he was hoping for and made some really loud blast

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Speaker 1: on the trumpet, and that was the first time that

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Speaker 1: that had sort of happened. And then this chap himself

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Speaker 1: hands Share and we went to stay in his Swiss home.

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Speaker 1: On one occasion did some demonstrations for the Swiss people,

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Speaker 1: and he had what was known as a music seller,

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Speaker 1: or he called a music seller, where he had about

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Speaker 1: forty different instruments, including two full drum sets. And when

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Speaker 1: we had those sittings there on two occasions, the Spirit

758
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Speaker 1: team were able to play virtually every instrument instrument in

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Speaker 1: the room, and several of them at the same time,

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Speaker 1: including the two drum sets that were both being played

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Speaker 1: by Spirit drummers at the same time. Was absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine the look on your face to

763
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Speaker 1: experience all that happening at once. We were just quite

764
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Speaker 1: amazed because a few people that he invited to his

765
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Speaker 1: sittings were totally new to it, and to see their

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Speaker 1: faces at the end and see what they'd made of

767
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Speaker 1: it was quite amazing. Oh wow, that's great. Oh I

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Speaker 1: did have a question. In a basic guide you talk

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Speaker 1: about the dome. Is that what it's called the glasses

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Speaker 1: dome that is important to have at your when starting

771
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Speaker 1: this to capture energy? Is that correct if you're working

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Speaker 1: with energy, Yes, that would that's a very good thing

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Speaker 1: to have. Yes, Okay, I'm just thinking of because I

774
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Speaker 1: read that and I thought, m but it makes sense.

775
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Speaker 1: It's not always vital. It can be done it can

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Speaker 1: be done without, but generally speaking, spirit would use that

777
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Speaker 1: to store the creative energy. Okay, I really appreciate the

778
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Speaker 1: knowledge and the Basic Guide because it really was my question.

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Speaker 1: This is all well and good, but how would one

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Speaker 1: get started in lo and behold, I found it in

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Speaker 1: your Basic Guide. I thought somebody's listening to my questions.

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Speaker 1: They certainly are. Well, Robin, I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: from the bottom of my heart for being our guest today.

784
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Speaker 1: You're very welcome. Oh this is so exciting for me.

785
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Speaker 1: It really is. A mental mediumship is great, don't get

786
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Speaker 1: me wrong. People can come through through the medium and things,

787
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Speaker 1: but there's to me, there's nothing like being a part

788
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Speaker 1: of things happening, whether it's levitations or seeing things fly

789
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Speaker 1: around the room, or having a voice coming out of

790
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: nowhere that's voice of a loved one. And if we

791
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: can encourage and and train people, passionate people to do this,

792
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: and you start witnessing these things yourself, I mean, you

793
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Speaker 1: go from that believing to knowing that the afterlife exactly.

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Speaker 1: And as I said earlier, you know, sort of forty

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Speaker 1: four years has changed belief to knowledge for me. My

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Speaker 1: biggest dream for everyone listening, right, now would be to

797
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Speaker 1: go from that hope to faith, to believing, to knowing

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Speaker 1: that the afterlife is real, to really knowing in your

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Speaker 1: heart of hearts because of experiences you've had that your

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Speaker 1: loved ones live on. So if you've got a panhandy

801
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: or you can press the rewind buttons, certainly, here's some

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Speaker 1: websites to find out more about Robin. The best one

803
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: to reach him at and find out what he is

804
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Speaker 1: currently up to is through the Spiritual Science Founders Association,

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Speaker 1: So the website for that is s s F dash

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Speaker 1: Robin dash Foy dot com. Also you can find out

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Speaker 1: more at the Skull Experiment dot com. And last for

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Speaker 1: the interactive one with all the members and seeing pictures,

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Speaker 1: you can go to Physical Mediumship for you dot n

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Speaker 1: I n G dot com. The four is that the

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Speaker 1: number four and the U is the letter you. As

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Speaker 1: incredible as this conversation was with Robin and the things

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Speaker 1: he's witnessed over the years, I have very slowly, throughout

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Speaker 1: the last fifty some odd episodes of Shades of the

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Speaker 1: Afterlife been trying to drop in bits about Physical Mediumship.

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Speaker 1: You may remember on an earlier episode learning about Sir

817
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Speaker 1: Arthur Conan Doyle giving up writing Sherlock Holmes because of

818
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Speaker 1: physical mediumship. Also Dan Ackroyd, who wrote the movie Ghostbusters,

819
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Speaker 1: the foundation of learning about the afterlife was with his

820
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: great grandfather's investigations into spiritualism and seances. So there were

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Speaker 1: so many people of scientific minds back in the late

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Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds to early nineteen hundreds that were very much

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Speaker 1: involved with this. And I haven't told you yet about

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Speaker 1: some of my personal stories, but I promise I will.

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Speaker 1: You've heard Scott Milligan on this show before, speaking in trance.

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Speaker 1: Scott is also one of the world's leading physical mediums.

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Speaker 1: I have plenty more stories in store for you. Our

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Speaker 1: home base is we Don't Die dot com and you

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Speaker 1: can attend one of our free Sunday gatherings or our

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Speaker 1: online courses and so much more. I'm Sandra Champlain and

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Speaker 1: from the bottom of my heart, I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal

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Speaker 1: podcast network. And if you like this episode of Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife, wait until you hear the next one.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: Coast to coast, a m paranormal podcast network.