Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama, girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
Speaker 1: our comic girl Cheering for the drama, Queen's Girl Fashion.
Speaker 1: But you're tough, girl. You can sit with us Girl Drama, Queens, Drama,
Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama drawn MC, Queen's Drama, Queen's al Right, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. We're gonna blame Michael Lang. No,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. This was this script was The script was
Speaker 1: a lot um and so we're just gonna dig in right.
Speaker 1: Two thousand seven. This was a whopper. Uh. Following his
Speaker 1: heart attack, Lucas returns to school, hoping to rekindle his
Speaker 1: romance with Peyton. Haley learns that Nathan was responsible for
Speaker 1: her accident. Brooke and Rachel hatch a plan to steal
Speaker 1: the next calculus exam, while Dan faces murder charges and
Speaker 1: de breaks out of rehab Lots of criminality. Wait, if
Speaker 1: you had never seen this show before and you didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about it, you just read that synopsis, what
Speaker 1: do you think I think I would have skipped right
Speaker 1: on by honestly though, it's like none of this makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's so out there. This is one of those confusing episodes. Also,
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like the titles are taunting us, like
Speaker 1: everything in its right place. I'm like, listen of this
Speaker 1: episode was in the right place, and the other is
Speaker 1: very questionable. I agree, But like some of the scenes
Speaker 1: I thought were so great. I mean, listen this, this storyline.
Speaker 1: You know that you guys are going through joy as
Speaker 1: Nathan and Haley is extreme, and yet you two ground it,
Speaker 1: you make it work. There's I think, great comedy for
Speaker 1: me and Neil. I loved the mouth and gig stuff,
Speaker 1: and then like there are something but even wait a second,
Speaker 1: because even the flashback again as Lucas is like beginning
Speaker 1: to find I like them the awareness. I loved the
Speaker 1: flashback with him and Keith again. I love trying to
Speaker 1: break out of rehab. Just kiss Barbara is so great.
Speaker 1: So much of it was so funny, and then and
Speaker 1: then some of it. I don't know what was it
Speaker 1: that word does so much? Was it just the dialogue?
Speaker 1: I had a really hard time watching Peyton and Lucas kiss,
Speaker 1: and I don't know why. I just said I had
Speaker 1: the reaction of it. I felt like I was watching
Speaker 1: my siblings make out or like my family kiss. I
Speaker 1: was like my hands up, like I can't the internet.
Speaker 1: So you're both very attractive people, You're hot, and you're
Speaker 1: good kissers. I don't know why I suddenly had that reaction.
Speaker 1: I think I just know you guys all too well,
Speaker 1: and it just brings out and there are going to
Speaker 1: be some people that are like, yes, with years for
Speaker 1: you drama queens to finally talk about that, disn't it
Speaker 1: took us four seasons to get here. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: It is kind of funny, isn't it, Because when you
Speaker 1: know people so well, like at this point, we'd spent
Speaker 1: what like fifteen thousand hours together or something insane, and
Speaker 1: you just go, I can't, I can't, I can't. Like
Speaker 1: I felt that way when you guys came to play.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the relationship was at the moment,
Speaker 1: but when you all came to play on Good Sam Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like it was right around when Edwin and
Speaker 1: I had to kiss on your show for the first time,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I literally remember me I did
Speaker 1: the first day and I got real close to his
Speaker 1: face and I went looking. I'm like, I just started laughing.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're my friend's boyfriend. Like, I know,
Speaker 1: this is our job, but I hang out with you
Speaker 1: every day and on the weekends we like go and
Speaker 1: eat crazy street food and like suddenly I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: be romantic with you and I can't do It's weird.
Speaker 1: That's weird. It's so weird. It's so funny with your
Speaker 1: friends and who can you be sexy with? Right? Okay,
Speaker 1: this episode, it's not like there was anything wrong on
Speaker 1: with it was just it was clunky. Everything was not
Speaker 1: in its right place. It was. It was definitely a messy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's an interesting thing too to watch it and
Speaker 1: have moments where we're going, oh, well, that that was ridiculous,
Speaker 1: Like the fact that you had to say, now I
Speaker 1: know why they call it true love, enjoy. You did
Speaker 1: it in a way that work. I said, thank you
Speaker 1: for telling me the truth. That's what it is. Now
Speaker 1: I know why they call it true up. Did you
Speaker 1: tell when you read that in the script? Yes, it's
Speaker 1: so cool. I think In fact, if I know myself,
Speaker 1: I delivered it um tongue in cheek, you know, like
Speaker 1: playing with him like no, I know why they call
Speaker 1: it true love, you know, trying to make it like
Speaker 1: obviously this is the lamest joke ever, so I'll lean
Speaker 1: into it. And I'm sure it was one of those
Speaker 1: where he was like, just give me one that's sincere
Speaker 1: we have the other ones, you know, and then they
Speaker 1: used that one. But you know you did make it
Speaker 1: so sweet and yeah, I mean for the folks at home,
Speaker 1: Hillary literally started cackling. I think I gasp. You know
Speaker 1: that when you read a line like that on the page,
Speaker 1: you're like, are these people working with me? Like is
Speaker 1: this the thing I'm supposed to say? And you had
Speaker 1: that and by the way, James had that in this episode,
Speaker 1: the amount of exposition he had to give you when
Speaker 1: he like ran you through the whole Dante story in
Speaker 1: top speed, and he made he managed to make it
Speaker 1: emotional and honest. And yeah, Hillary, I just keep thinking
Speaker 1: back to you years ago being like, imagine, imagine good writing,
Speaker 1: because they just they have to get you to like
Speaker 1: fill a gap. And I think it because I think
Speaker 1: it was a filler episode because the last one was Christmas. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's what it was. It was like, let's just
Speaker 1: remind everybody's just warm up the kettle. Let's remind everybody
Speaker 1: who we all are and what just happened and where
Speaker 1: we are, and then maybe the next episode is really
Speaker 1: going to be something better. Yeah, I wonder if, like
Speaker 1: in the next episode Lucas is Keith flashback will go
Speaker 1: a step farther and he'll see Dan or like when
Speaker 1: when something will be revealed? But you're right, it is
Speaker 1: a catchup episode, even even all the headlines being on
Speaker 1: Dan's wall when Karen sees them. That's been happening all
Speaker 1: season with Karen. I like how Karen and Dan both
Speaker 1: just know how to show up exactly where people are
Speaker 1: all the time. Guys, everything on our show is being repeated, right.
Speaker 1: It's like, didn't Nathan have the flashback storyline for a
Speaker 1: while there, and now Lucas has that storyline well? And
Speaker 1: by the way, now, much like Brooke last season, Haley
Speaker 1: is looking at Nathan saying you have to let me
Speaker 1: in all the way in, and Brooks sobbed to Lucas
Speaker 1: and was like, why would you ever let me all
Speaker 1: the way in? And it's like we we are all
Speaker 1: going through these similar things, aren't way, Okay? I know
Speaker 1: we we say that this lazy writing and bubble. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of that, and there there is sometimes, But
Speaker 1: you know, what I'm realizing too, is we're comparing this
Speaker 1: to the luxury that a lot of people have now
Speaker 1: with a series, whole series being picked up for a season,
Speaker 1: or with cable where it's only nine episodes or thirteen
Speaker 1: and then you know, you you know, you know pretty
Speaker 1: much right away if the show is popular, and then
Speaker 1: you know you're you're gonna keep going for a long time,
Speaker 1: and so they're able to stretch out those storylines. Um.
Speaker 1: I think with us, because we were constantly on the bubble,
Speaker 1: we were constantly being told, oh, you're you're about to
Speaker 1: be canceled, You're about to be canceled. I don't know
Speaker 1: that they really could plan long term, long game storylines
Speaker 1: the way that we would love to see. And because
Speaker 1: there was no streaming, you couldn't like binge four episodes
Speaker 1: in a row. You had to catch people up every week,
Speaker 1: and if they'd missed the week before, you had to
Speaker 1: do enough repetition that if they'd missed episode ten, episode
Speaker 1: eleven would make sense. You know. It was just that,
Speaker 1: you're right, it was a very different landscape, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot was also repeated because we weren't only
Speaker 1: doing twelve episodes. It couldn't trim the fat you needed
Speaker 1: to fill twenty two hours. Which if they knew that
Speaker 1: there was going to not going to be a cancelation
Speaker 1: at any given moment, maybe they would have felt the
Speaker 1: freedom to stretch things out a little bit longer. But
Speaker 1: people were writing differently back then too, and especially for
Speaker 1: teen shows. It's just the trend wasn't there yet. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's interesting. This is related to nothing,
Speaker 1: but it's the fourth thing written down on my notes
Speaker 1: and in all caps. It just because all three of
Speaker 1: us said it a little bit of scruff. Yeah, none
Speaker 1: of it was believable, Like like whoever wrote this episode
Speaker 1: did not use her Google machine because with this lawyer
Speaker 1: comes in, he's like, you're being charged with second degree
Speaker 1: murder and the trial is going to be in like
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. And I was like, on what planet?
Speaker 1: Like you brought in jail for years before you get
Speaker 1: a trial. That's how they make all their money, the
Speaker 1: court systems. Every they make you come back all the time,
Speaker 1: and every time you come back you have to file
Speaker 1: with a payment. But once they get you in that system,
Speaker 1: they don't let you go. Come on, But why does
Speaker 1: Dan Scott have a cell by himself? Like? How much
Speaker 1: more interesting would it have been if he was in
Speaker 1: there with Like could have changed his perspective on what
Speaker 1: tree Hill really needed as mayor. That would be somebody
Speaker 1: he had screwed over once. Maybe nobody wanted to pay
Speaker 1: for that. The whole season of Dan Scott in jail thrilling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: having to navigate jail politics. What if Dan Scott was
Speaker 1: in jail with psycho Deic, what if they're sharing as
Speaker 1: they're both violent offenders? Would have been great? Don't don't again?
Speaker 1: You know I I thought that Paul was playing all
Speaker 1: of this really beautifully. The culmination of the of the
Speaker 1: guilt Dan carries for Keith when Nathan looks at him
Speaker 1: and says, you're not guilty of murder, and Dan says,
Speaker 1: I have since to pay for I belong here, this um,
Speaker 1: this misdirect that we get to witness as the audience
Speaker 1: who knows all the secrets and knowing that the boys
Speaker 1: don't know yet, and that Nathan is really seeing his
Speaker 1: father um changing, even even when he cracks a joke
Speaker 1: about how you know your oh yeah, your approval rating
Speaker 1: went up and and and Paul is so plaintive and says,
Speaker 1: you know, yours is the only one I care about.
Speaker 1: It's and you can see the shock on James's face.
Speaker 1: He's kind of like, uh, yeah, we're different, and you
Speaker 1: believe that there's this potential for Dan to change. Karen
Speaker 1: sees him differently. She says, I saw someone I used
Speaker 1: to know different, and we know and and they don't know.
Speaker 1: It's such a fun place to be in as an
Speaker 1: audience member, to know a secret and to watch how
Speaker 1: it's you know, hanging around in the pinball machine of
Speaker 1: the world of the show. I like this part. Did
Speaker 1: you guys think that Dan and Karen were going to kiss? Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I did, And I was very upset.
Speaker 1: But like back when we were filming, like do you
Speaker 1: remember the panic that we felt as cast members, like
Speaker 1: you're not going to do that, are you? Like I
Speaker 1: let thought that our writers were setting them up to
Speaker 1: like get down, Yeah, that's yeah, well, and they wanted
Speaker 1: you to believe it. They wanted you to believe that
Speaker 1: there might be the redemption and and then they got
Speaker 1: to call it out in the last episode in this
Speaker 1: you know, wonderful life universe with Keith, like you said
Speaker 1: it last week, Keith saying, you don't get to come
Speaker 1: in here with my woman and my kid and and
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to happen. It's it's a
Speaker 1: really it's a great amount of suspense that they've created
Speaker 1: for us. I'm down for a redemptive storyline anytime, but
Speaker 1: I needed to really be realistic and payoff. And that's
Speaker 1: where the long game storyline comes in, where you get
Speaker 1: to really walk through somebody's journey of growth and healing
Speaker 1: and pain and struggle and like coming out the other
Speaker 1: side of that. And then that would be an interesting
Speaker 1: storyline for me. But not this fast. It can't be
Speaker 1: this fast. And I I don't want to see it
Speaker 1: he stayed in office, Yes, I don't want to see
Speaker 1: it be the redemption. You know, the woman changes him,
Speaker 1: he gets her and then he's different, Like, no, he
Speaker 1: has as a person. He's got to change as a person.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why it's triggering for us and
Speaker 1: upsetting for us to watch it is We're like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't you put Karen with that guy. He's already hurt her,
Speaker 1: he's hurt deb he's hurt so many people. We want
Speaker 1: him to do the work. But by the way, that
Speaker 1: means our writers are doing a great job because they're
Speaker 1: making us upset and they're making us worry, and and
Speaker 1: that's that's part of the drama of TV, right, So
Speaker 1: I you know, they want to be clear that I
Speaker 1: don't want them to make out, but I'm loving the
Speaker 1: suspense because when she helped him, I thought she was
Speaker 1: going to kiss him, and I didn't like it. All
Speaker 1: They underutilized Moira this season, well just this season. Really,
Speaker 1: it's like she just kind of shows up to offer advice.
Speaker 1: But this is an OSCAR nominated actress. She is so talented,
Speaker 1: she's so capable, and I don't know what she had
Speaker 1: to do to manipu laid herself into this storyline so that,
Speaker 1: you know, everything made sense for her, that Karen would
Speaker 1: be involving herself again with Dan and all that, but
Speaker 1: I sure would love to have seen it. Well, her
Speaker 1: partner is dead, you know, like the love of her
Speaker 1: life is dead. Her son just had a heart attack,
Speaker 1: the girl that she's raised, you know, it's like her
Speaker 1: son's best friend is going through all of this trauma
Speaker 1: and like, you know, like there's a lot of fodder
Speaker 1: for a Karen's storyline. But the only thing that our
Speaker 1: writers know to do with her because she's not having
Speaker 1: sex with anyone. This is what I was saying, yes,
Speaker 1: is they just have her react, you know, do ide
Speaker 1: like what's going on here? What's going on here? What's
Speaker 1: going on here? And now I'm say, you know, like
Speaker 1: there's not If I were Karen, I would go full
Speaker 1: Michael Douglas and what is that movie he does Falling
Speaker 1: Down or whatever where he just like loses his mind.
Speaker 1: If I were Karen, I would go full falling Down
Speaker 1: and just be like, you know what, I'm gonna burn
Speaker 1: trick down, you know what. I'm good. You know, she's
Speaker 1: lost everything and and the pregnancy hormones have the you know,
Speaker 1: potential maker beneff. I mean, the fact that she is
Speaker 1: pregnant with her dead lover's child is an insane thing
Speaker 1: to be struggling with, and I wish that they had
Speaker 1: let us see more of that for her. I will say.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing that I think makes you catch your
Speaker 1: breath when you watch these scenes between Dan and Karen
Speaker 1: is in on his Redemption tour. He is trying to
Speaker 1: show up for her. You know, don't forget that he
Speaker 1: just made deb sign trick back over to her so
Speaker 1: she would have a lifeline business back of a much
Speaker 1: larger income. You know, he is he is setting up
Speaker 1: a safer container for her. And I think the reason
Speaker 1: it feels so icky to watch as an audience is
Speaker 1: because we know he's the reason she's not safe in
Speaker 1: the first place, but she doesn't know yet. She thinks
Speaker 1: that whatever is happening with Nathan and Haley, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he's changing, maybe he's seeing the ability to do
Speaker 1: it over again differently. But it's like it's just the
Speaker 1: husband who's cheating on his wife but keeps bringing his
Speaker 1: wife flowers every day because and she's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: he loves me. He's just like feeling It's no because
Speaker 1: he's feeling guilty. It's like, so such a cliche. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about the Nathan and Haley of it all.
Speaker 1: This is something that our show does that bugs me.
Speaker 1: Is and maybe it's because Peyton has been targeted for this,
Speaker 1: but we'll have characters that come clean, right that's saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: I've been carrying this. I want to tell you the truth,
Speaker 1: and then the people close to them get mad at
Speaker 1: them and say why didn't you talk at the truth,
Speaker 1: And it's like, well I just just did. Yeah. It
Speaker 1: makes me not because in real life, it's like it
Speaker 1: takes a second to build up the moxie to tell
Speaker 1: people the truth, and then the idea that you get
Speaker 1: mad at them for not telling the truth. Am I
Speaker 1: the only know? I'm thinking about it as you're saying
Speaker 1: it again, I think I've I've gotten like when somebody
Speaker 1: has done that to me. Yeah, I don't really get upset.
Speaker 1: Like at the past. It's like, okay, well let's deal
Speaker 1: with the problem we have right now. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to harp on why didn't you unless it was a
Speaker 1: really long time ago. Well I guess Look, I get
Speaker 1: it because when you're going through something to your point,
Speaker 1: you know that it can take time to process it,
Speaker 1: to figure out what the language is, you know, especially
Speaker 1: like as a person with anxiety who very much learned
Speaker 1: to deal with everything alone, it takes an unlearning as
Speaker 1: an adult to be vocal as something is happening rather
Speaker 1: than once I've figured it out. But that's also my
Speaker 1: job as a person, so that I can be in
Speaker 1: relationship with other people. It's literally my job as by
Speaker 1: saying that I practiced this, okay, but I think that
Speaker 1: it's It's interesting because when you are on the receiving
Speaker 1: end of information and you feel like someone you love
Speaker 1: and trust has withheld from you, it can be very painful.
Speaker 1: I understand why Haley is like, why wouldn't you tell
Speaker 1: me what was going on? And I understand that Nathan
Speaker 1: was trying his best. He needed a minute. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to admit failure. He his ultimate fear is to
Speaker 1: tell the woman he's trying to keep safe that he
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to keep her safe. Like, I sympathize
Speaker 1: with it, but the reality is that it's very easy
Speaker 1: for us to look at things as black and white,
Speaker 1: but when there are things were involved in, we know
Speaker 1: that everything is shades of gray and the targets are
Speaker 1: moving all the time. And I don't know, I agree
Speaker 1: that the reaction of why didn't you tell me immediately
Speaker 1: feels very reductive in black and white. I like that
Speaker 1: she didn't yell, though, and they scripted it like I
Speaker 1: can't remember. I mean, I guess they would have known
Speaker 1: me well enough by then to know. I just like that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a fit girl. The quiet fury of Haley
Speaker 1: just leaning back on the pillows, like I can't even
Speaker 1: look at you. That I literally wrote down. I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to learn that move. You will one day
Speaker 1: I'm going to look away cut so deep because so deep.
Speaker 1: Oh that's my dad and me. That is fully my dad.
Speaker 1: I grew up in like my mom was always the
Speaker 1: sort of the loud emotional one and my dad was
Speaker 1: the quiet emotional one. And oh boy, I just remember,
Speaker 1: like I remember one day when I was I wouldn't
Speaker 1: go to I wouldn't wake up. My mom would come
Speaker 1: in my room like six times, why cat, why cat? Whycat?
Speaker 1: Yea god, where did you wake up? And I was
Speaker 1: like not going to do it. My dad walked into
Speaker 1: I just heard my bedroom door open and it was
Speaker 1: his footsteps, and all of a sudden, I was covered
Speaker 1: in cold water. I opened my eyes and he had
Speaker 1: a blender in his hand. He had just poured a
Speaker 1: blenderful of cold water. And he looked at me and
Speaker 1: he goes, get up. Oh my god. He wasn't mad
Speaker 1: at me. He wasn't. It was just like, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: we're not doing this wake up and that's the way.
Speaker 1: So I think I got that from him because I
Speaker 1: don't pour water on my daughter to wake her up,
Speaker 1: but I do, but I do, but I could if
Speaker 1: I wanted to, But she knows that I'm like not
Speaker 1: looking around. So I like the quiet fury as well.
Speaker 1: But sorry, we got off track. Um, Haley, I do
Speaker 1: like that she went to Lucas's because I understand as
Speaker 1: a teenage girl. Still she's a teenage girl and hormonal
Speaker 1: because she's pregnant and uh and hormonal, she's a teenager
Speaker 1: and yeah, to feel like you the person that God
Speaker 1: and she's in this cast and the whole reason why, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it made sense to me that she would have been like,
Speaker 1: you know, I just need a minute. I'm gonna totally
Speaker 1: makes sense. By the way, if this happened now now
Speaker 1: you as a teenager, not as a pregnant person, I
Speaker 1: would be like, what the is going on? Yeah? What
Speaker 1: the actual and and and the work you do to
Speaker 1: like see from other people's perspective, and you know, come
Speaker 1: to a conversation as your highest self matters. But I
Speaker 1: absolutely think her her hurt and feeling of betrayal was justified.
Speaker 1: I like what I like when I think both people
Speaker 1: are right, That to me is a good story. I
Speaker 1: see this as like a livable offense, right, not because
Speaker 1: not because he lied I means zero to me because
Speaker 1: he didn't really lie. He just omitted. You know, the
Speaker 1: thing that freaks me out, like if I'm in Haley shoes,
Speaker 1: is that you make that choices and I'm getting ready
Speaker 1: to raise a child with you, and you consistently make
Speaker 1: bad choices. And you might be tall and have a
Speaker 1: nice face, But does he consistently make bad choices? What
Speaker 1: are some of the other ones that he's made? Traded
Speaker 1: the car for the bike, which was stupid. Ok He's
Speaker 1: just but he's like, where's the dumb kid? And then
Speaker 1: where's the character flaw? He drove into a wall? Right? Okay, now, yes,
Speaker 1: to revisit the whole like he's on suicide watch issue. Yes,
Speaker 1: he is still making choices stable in or I would
Speaker 1: want to raise a child with. But see this crux
Speaker 1: of that conversation, right is if we were looking at
Speaker 1: just a guy with Nathan's kind of rap sheet of
Speaker 1: behavior on paper, we would all be like black and white. No,
Speaker 1: absolutely not pass But because we know him and we're attached,
Speaker 1: and we're emotional, We go is he so bad? And
Speaker 1: and and you and you understand that things come from pain,
Speaker 1: and that things come from lack of experience, and that
Speaker 1: things come from you know, the reality of when you're
Speaker 1: trying your best and you don't have a good or
Speaker 1: a bad decision to choose from. You have a bad
Speaker 1: decision and the worst decision to choose from. Like, and
Speaker 1: that's where the humanity is. And I think that's why
Speaker 1: I really like it, because the truth be told, if
Speaker 1: somebody wrote down on a piece of paper all the
Speaker 1: choices that we made and put our life down on
Speaker 1: paper and handed it over to somebody, they'd be like,
Speaker 1: uh no, sir, Joy, that's what the tabloids are. That's
Speaker 1: why they've been so mean to us for twenty years. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: listen all but you know what I mean. Like, there's
Speaker 1: a humanity element, but then there is also like deep
Speaker 1: character flaws. So I think finding the line is hard.
Speaker 1: Pleasing exactly into your line, Like what Haley says, She's like,
Speaker 1: why is it so much easier to forgive a stranger
Speaker 1: than someone that you love? Yes, and you know, a
Speaker 1: stranger is just kind of this hand, like they're an
Speaker 1: imaginary thing that you can impart morals on and you
Speaker 1: can create whatever fairy tale you need to create in
Speaker 1: order to make sense of things. But a real person,
Speaker 1: it's like it costs you something to forgive someone that
Speaker 1: is close to you, like a real wound. If it's
Speaker 1: just like, if it doesn't, oh, I forgive you, Okay,
Speaker 1: then we never have to interact again stranger. Well, and
Speaker 1: to your point, when you can impart morals onto a
Speaker 1: stranger like Hayley does with Dante, she says he was
Speaker 1: a bookie, but he was someone's child. You know, he
Speaker 1: was a criminal, but he had parents and and when
Speaker 1: it's someone you love and you have deep relationship with,
Speaker 1: it can be so much harder to say. I have
Speaker 1: to accept your truth as true for you, I have
Speaker 1: to believe that you were doing the best you could,
Speaker 1: and I have to hold true at the same time
Speaker 1: that your best really hurt me, your best really hurt me.
Speaker 1: How do you honor your pain and someone else's struggle
Speaker 1: at the same time. That takes so much more complexity, vulnerability, humility,
Speaker 1: honesty than it does to go, Yeah, I know that
Speaker 1: guy might have been a bad guy, but what if
Speaker 1: his mom was nice, Like, that's so much easier. Could
Speaker 1: you get to imagine that, Oh, your best really hurt
Speaker 1: it's the hardest. Yeah, it's sore. End when you're married, Like,
Speaker 1: that's a marriage. When your marriage partner, your best really
Speaker 1: hurt me, that's so hard to process and deal with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you do? And you know, we talk about
Speaker 1: what we learned, and and as you age and you
Speaker 1: learn things we talked about this last week. You have
Speaker 1: much clearer perspective. You have like a better spidy sense
Speaker 1: when someone's motivations aren't good. But you do lose some
Speaker 1: of that innocence that allows you to be so purely
Speaker 1: in love, so enormously trusting, And it can be really
Speaker 1: difficult two carry truth, reality, experience failure inside of the
Speaker 1: container you share with the person that you love the most.
Speaker 1: The name of your next podcast is going to be
Speaker 1: Containers Obtainers, everything but trainer. But yeah, like it. How
Speaker 1: do you maintain loving someone so purely when they've also
Speaker 1: hurt you? It sounds like struggle this episode, Everyone who
Speaker 1: is a little bit that's a nice segue. Everybody leaves
Speaker 1: um All right, Well, look I'm just gonna address the
Speaker 1: d ms that I get where girls are like you,
Speaker 1: you defend Jake and you defend Nathan, and nothing Lucas
Speaker 1: does is good enough. And here's what I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell you. He looked really handsome in this episod and
Speaker 1: did he said some very sweeping things and we missed
Speaker 1: a lot. It was grand gesture here. But here's the
Speaker 1: thing that's crazy. Why are people yelling at you about
Speaker 1: it just hasn't happened to your character yet? Because thus
Speaker 1: far and Peyton f Lucas and Peyton have been a
Speaker 1: miss He's been a cheater, He's he We've talked about
Speaker 1: how he has, you know, struggled and Joy. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't remember what episode it was, but you were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like teenage boys don't know how to make good decisions.
Speaker 1: Like that's okay, guys, it's the character arc. They don't
Speaker 1: get together till season four, So how were we supposed
Speaker 1: to talk about their great relationship in season three? Well?
Speaker 1: I love that in two episodes he went from saying,
Speaker 1: oh I love Joy was like he sounds like Daniel J.
Speaker 1: Lewis in this episode of the Mohicans, We'll find you
Speaker 1: my heart attack. No matter what happens no matter where
Speaker 1: you go, no matter what comes between us. I shall
Speaker 1: ride through heaven and hell to find you. Yes, and
Speaker 1: I like it. Um. Peyton, however, needed a pause button.
Speaker 1: I because we watched We watched the episode. I have
Speaker 1: zero recollection of this, um because Peyton's being very standofficed
Speaker 1: with him. And then you know the second scene the
Speaker 1: Peyton Lucas had together, She's like like, p d A,
Speaker 1: Like if you could just stop. I know that I've
Speaker 1: been pursuing you for so long. Now don't kiss me
Speaker 1: in front of people. That made me cackle like that
Speaker 1: was very funny. That was also just such a good
Speaker 1: window into you, Like that's you totally. I love you.
Speaker 1: Don't touch me. Yeah, I really love you so much,
Speaker 1: but don't. Anytime Jeff and I are on a red carpet,
Speaker 1: you know, they take pictures and they're like now kiss
Speaker 1: kiss and I was looking at me and I'm like,
Speaker 1: are we going to do that? And He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going to do that, And I just always maybe
Speaker 1: I am Peyton Sawyer where I'm like, You're like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to where do I put my nose? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm mad at these writers for the way
Speaker 1: they handled this, Peyton and Lucas finally coming back together,
Speaker 1: Like this is a storyline We've been waiting for for
Speaker 1: four seasons. I've cried and the fans, the fans have
Speaker 1: been waiting. It's like building up, building up, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's over in one second with some confetti and
Speaker 1: now they're like, oh, boyfriend, girlfriend, a couple of little
Speaker 1: issues and like, oh it's cute, Like where is the
Speaker 1: long I want to see the longing? I want to
Speaker 1: see the build up of like you telling him and
Speaker 1: then him wanting desperately wanted to tell you, but he's
Speaker 1: too wrapped up with trying to solve this. You know,
Speaker 1: his uncle just got murdered and he woke up in
Speaker 1: his heart attack, and he's like, how do I tell her?
Speaker 1: What if I leave her? Like? What if something happens
Speaker 1: to me? I can't tell her that I love her back.
Speaker 1: Everybody leaves her. And so now there's another thing that's
Speaker 1: in between them, like why didn't you have to go
Speaker 1: to see a cardiologist to make sure his heart was
Speaker 1: going to be okay? And she wants to go and
Speaker 1: he says no because he's like, if I get bad news.
Speaker 1: I can't get it in front of her, Like there
Speaker 1: could have been we Yes, we could have really drawn
Speaker 1: out the like longing, the epic romance of this like
Speaker 1: everything he said I loved and I wanted to hear it,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to hear it with like I wanted
Speaker 1: to hear it after a battle of like trying to
Speaker 1: get to each other through all the things that they
Speaker 1: are in the way, and then finally they get to
Speaker 1: each other and the light is you know, streaming the
Speaker 1: way cameras catch sunlight, and you're like outside and it's
Speaker 1: just something that's so beautiful, like the little sun glare
Speaker 1: on you. And he finally says it all and it's
Speaker 1: just music, is there? It is Haley, you know switch
Speaker 1: foot song in the rain, Like, yeah, we needed that
Speaker 1: on that for these two, Yes, because their love story
Speaker 1: is the drawn out. It's it's the years of longing
Speaker 1: and the wrong partners and the stuff. It's the notebook.
Speaker 1: But we don't get the kiss on the dock, and
Speaker 1: I feel robbed. No, I just sat at his bedside
Speaker 1: in the hospital during this coma. He opens his eyes
Speaker 1: and then there's like a time jump and it's like
Speaker 1: I didn't see him for a whole yere you in school?
Speaker 1: Bad girlfriend? No listen, Okay, but to that point, I
Speaker 1: do feel robbed now that you've brought it up. Where
Speaker 1: is my switch Foot song? Like, yeah, yeah, what is
Speaker 1: the song that would have played in the scene that
Speaker 1: I'm not cool enough to know Peyton Lucas's music? You
Speaker 1: tell me, because the first song that came to mind
Speaker 1: as you're talking about him, I'm sitting here nod my head,
Speaker 1: going yeah, yeah, that's fat and in my head the
Speaker 1: song that plays with Lucas and Peyton finally kiss with
Speaker 1: that spot of sunlight you described a flare in the
Speaker 1: lens from the darkness, even a thing called love just
Speaker 1: I believe it. Oh my god, isn't that Crane? No,
Speaker 1: that's this man. It is during our show and it
Speaker 1: was such a such it feels too fast. No, that's
Speaker 1: what But that's what it needs to be. It needs
Speaker 1: to be like like fast. Chad's wearing all these emo
Speaker 1: clothes and the wristband and the eyeliner. We need an
Speaker 1: emo pop post. Like I'm trying to think about what
Speaker 1: was out in two thousand seven. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: Like Massy Stars coming to mind for me. I mean
Speaker 1: that was the late nineties, but Mazi Star did the
Speaker 1: Twilight series come out then? Because I'm listening to it then,
Speaker 1: Mazie Star was on the Empire Record soundtrack. Maybe that's why,
Speaker 1: because it feels so nostalgic to oh yeah, because it
Speaker 1: was Liz Fair. What was that Fade into You was
Speaker 1: the Mazzy Star song? Yeah, like I want something emo
Speaker 1: and romantic. Oh, I'm looking at the Billboard top charts
Speaker 1: in two thousand seven, we're gonna find what do we got?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all for delicious and like, hey, it's
Speaker 1: definitely not that is not the song. But if someone
Speaker 1: could cut it together just for our enjoyment, please the
Speaker 1: scene we always wanted the guys, it got rushed. You
Speaker 1: know what I wrote down when Chillary, when you said
Speaker 1: it's just so sweeping, I wrote that down, and then
Speaker 1: under it, I wrote, it's a grand gesture on steroids.
Speaker 1: They've pumped up. They've pumped it up too fast and
Speaker 1: and weirdly it kind of steals the payoff from us.
Speaker 1: And we've been waiting four years for this because it's
Speaker 1: always been Tori it. It's been bad. It's been affairs
Speaker 1: that Alicia Keys song came out, which one no, definitely
Speaker 1: no one. No. Maybe you guys didn't get a song
Speaker 1: because we spend all our money on Led Zeppelin in
Speaker 1: the car crash last year that we're still we're still
Speaker 1: making up for lost time. But you deserved one. Well.
Speaker 1: I like Peyton's point, Like, to be fair, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it necessarily understood what she was saying
Speaker 1: when we were kids of like, no, listen, everyone leaves,
Speaker 1: So I'm having serious problems attaching to people. I definitely
Speaker 1: feel that at this age, like I really limit who
Speaker 1: I interact with on a daily basis because I everybody dies,
Speaker 1: you know, And so it's weird to evolve into Peyton
Speaker 1: as an older woman. Um, but I I like that
Speaker 1: that was her trajectory, and I like that this little
Speaker 1: boy is trying desperately to get her to calm down,
Speaker 1: and the only way he could do it is with
Speaker 1: his tongue. You know what I like though, because to
Speaker 1: your point, you wouldn't have had the language then you
Speaker 1: know she's trying to say this thing. But now you
Speaker 1: are at your age able to offer the perspective in
Speaker 1: a clearer way, can relate to it more clearly. I
Speaker 1: like that they're both a little fumbly with it because
Speaker 1: they are kids, and I love that the only way
Speaker 1: he knows how to explain it to you is to say,
Speaker 1: but I came back for you. And it hints at
Speaker 1: that idea that he had an experience in that in
Speaker 1: between that he had, you know, something happened. He's told
Speaker 1: you about Keith, and he's saying, no, I chose this,
Speaker 1: I chose, I chose life. I chose to be here.
Speaker 1: And and there's something I think, you know, for as
Speaker 1: imperfect or you know, unclear as it might feel, this
Speaker 1: idea that he gets to look at her and say like,
Speaker 1: you're You're the reason I want to be here. That's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I get it. It's really beautiful, and I think it
Speaker 1: maybe it hits deeper for me in that moment, and
Speaker 1: even hearing you talk about loss now because earlier in
Speaker 1: the script, when you guys are on the quad and
Speaker 1: he's talking about the experience with Keith, you know, Peyton
Speaker 1: says that she feels like her mom and Ellie contact
Speaker 1: her from the other side. And then the lightness in
Speaker 1: the scene is I think of dreams as emails for ghosts.
Speaker 1: I loved that. I loved that. It was so nice
Speaker 1: to see them bond over this thing and so interesting
Speaker 1: because we talked about it last week that it comes
Speaker 1: in this week. I know, was that weird? But that
Speaker 1: would have been That would have been a fun relationship
Speaker 1: building to am conversation. Remember staying up so late with
Speaker 1: the person you had a crush on and just like
Speaker 1: talking for hours and hours and hours on the phone
Speaker 1: in high school, like that phase where it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we've admitted we like each other, now we have to survey.
Speaker 1: Let's tell each other every everything. Oh it's so romantic
Speaker 1: and sweet. Um. Well, between all these like heavy heavy storyline,
Speaker 1: Haley is fighting for life on crutches, trying at Karen's house,
Speaker 1: Peyton's being a weirdo, there's Brooke and Rachel in so like,
Speaker 1: I need to get to that part of the episode
Speaker 1: because that the most entertaining thing on camera. I loved
Speaker 1: it so much. And the fact, and you said it,
Speaker 1: the fact that Danil and I look like twins in
Speaker 1: this whole episode, whole episode. Our outfits are the same,
Speaker 1: our jackets are the same, our hair is the same.
Speaker 1: I love it, and god, I just wanted more and
Speaker 1: more and more of it. It's so fun. It's so
Speaker 1: fun and you guys are different enough that it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel competitive on camera, like I'm not. It doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like a carbon copy. Like you guys such different personalities,
Speaker 1: you're really complimenting each other. It's just so And it's
Speaker 1: interesting that these two girls, you know, who have been
Speaker 1: judged and who have these really strong identities in their
Speaker 1: own rights, can kind of say the things to each
Speaker 1: other that if anyone else said it it would be
Speaker 1: so offensive. When they do it, it's so funny, like
Speaker 1: when Shelley the clean teen says, you know, our doors
Speaker 1: are always open, and Brooks says, just like Rachel's legs.
Speaker 1: But it's like, weirdly, it feels like a it's like
Speaker 1: an inside joke for her and Rachel. It's not a dig.
Speaker 1: And you know Rachel saying yesterday you were a slut
Speaker 1: who was bad enough thing. Today you're a virgin with
Speaker 1: an a funny. It's so funny to me. I loved
Speaker 1: watching you two came around the corner in those cats
Speaker 1: suits and I just died with the belts jingle, jingle
Speaker 1: of the belt to defeat the purpose of being stealthy.
Speaker 1: It is so funny, those little sixties and that's what
Speaker 1: we did. We found those like kind of vintage inspired
Speaker 1: belts and the go go boots I I forgot. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have obviously such a sense memory of doing that.
Speaker 1: Being in the school with Danielle. You know how funny
Speaker 1: it was to run into Principal Turner, like the comedy
Speaker 1: of that I remember, but I forgot some of the
Speaker 1: physicality and I almost choked on my coffee when I say, Brooke,
Speaker 1: it's weird to talk about myself in the third person,
Speaker 1: but like as Brooke, when I stand up in the
Speaker 1: cats suit and just start pawing at my whole body
Speaker 1: looking for a pocket, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we don't have pockets. Like I forgot about that. Having
Speaker 1: to put the test in my boot was such a
Speaker 1: It was such a pleasant surprise, so fun I love
Speaker 1: when it. Well, you guys are climbing, climbing through the
Speaker 1: school and deb is climbing out of rehab in her
Speaker 1: own version of a black cat suit. This whole time
Speaker 1: I was like, is rehab Like, man, I'm confused how
Speaker 1: they can keep an adult unless it's That was a
Speaker 1: gray little surprise at the end. Also, that slow fall
Speaker 1: for Barbara repelling down the side of the building and
Speaker 1: then winding up with her feet in the air stuck
Speaker 1: was so freaking funny. And yeah, the cutting from Brooke
Speaker 1: and Rachel to a deb and all these women sneaking
Speaker 1: around and being so bad at it was gorgeous love.
Speaker 1: And when Prince the principal like confronted you guys, just
Speaker 1: the look on your faces, like, oh, why are we here? Also,
Speaker 1: why was clean teen's meeting that late at school? I
Speaker 1: hated the cleanteing storyline so much. I hated it so
Speaker 1: much always, But I'm glad that he rings and the
Speaker 1: promise that he gross. It's just so like, hell, I
Speaker 1: know that there was an element of this that was
Speaker 1: reality for you in school, but it went so camp
Speaker 1: and it's just annoyed me. It's like, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of Christian kids who were cool and yes, they
Speaker 1: wanted to be virgins until they got married. They had
Speaker 1: a particular worldview that they subscribed to have worked for them.
Speaker 1: That's great, but they weren't like weirdos. You know they were,
Speaker 1: but hey, I mean we um no, I was in
Speaker 1: I mean obviously I started clean teams just with my
Speaker 1: pack of friends at parties. But it wasn't just about virginity.
Speaker 1: Was like we also didn't smoke and we didn't drink,
Speaker 1: and it was like clean across the board. There was
Speaker 1: this there was a scene in d C that was
Speaker 1: like the straight Edge scene and so this was like
Speaker 1: straight edge light, very light um. And we also had
Speaker 1: Fellowship of Christian Athletes and that was where like the
Speaker 1: football players who were good boys went. I went to
Speaker 1: prom with the president a Fellowship of Christian Athletes. He
Speaker 1: was so hot and so it was like not not weirdos.
Speaker 1: It was like the captain of the football team and
Speaker 1: you know, like the girls on the volleyball squad, and
Speaker 1: it was kind of this cross section of the school
Speaker 1: that just needed to I don't know, but it's so
Speaker 1: hanging fruit to tell the story this way, like there
Speaker 1: are so why are kids like this always represented in
Speaker 1: media like corny weirdos? Well? And what I have an
Speaker 1: issue with it goes farther than that, is why, because
Speaker 1: let's not forget we were in the early odds. We
Speaker 1: were in the era where like Britney Spears was being
Speaker 1: accosted by Jainists about for virginity that's why Jessica the
Speaker 1: virginity or the sexual behavior of teenage girls at all
Speaker 1: at all? Why are we talking to them about this,
Speaker 1: Like it's none of our business, it's not appropriate. And
Speaker 1: so it's so crazy because I'm watching that scene where
Speaker 1: Rachel's like, well we can still brook ourselves, right and chill.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh yeah, totally do it all the time.
Speaker 1: I just got like a flash to like the things
Speaker 1: everyone shall remain nameless. Don't worry if my home listening
Speaker 1: to this. I know they're scared, but like the things
Speaker 1: to tell me they were doing to not have sex,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh my god, now it totally defeats
Speaker 1: they Yeah, but you're right. Just the policing and the
Speaker 1: monitoring of girls sex like sexual growth in behavior as
Speaker 1: teenagers is so creepy. It's so creepy. And this was
Speaker 1: a thing like after our show too, because I remember
Speaker 1: like purity rings were a big deal. Yeah I never
Speaker 1: had one, and I was like there, like I was
Speaker 1: so swar same same but I never had a purity ring.
Speaker 1: But I did have a subscription to Brio magazine. Alright,
Speaker 1: I forgot it was like a Christian Christian girls teen magazine,
Speaker 1: Like if you weren't allowed to get y Am or Cosmo, Girl,
Speaker 1: you've got Brio from your grandmother. Christmas. God, you're pulling
Speaker 1: these rabbits is out. I forgot about bees and girl.
Speaker 1: There was an abstinence poster that came as like a
Speaker 1: pull out from Brio magazine that I definitely had on
Speaker 1: my wall until I was fifty, and then we moved
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't think I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: it back up to stay true. But so when like
Speaker 1: the Jonas brothers came along and like Miley, like a
Speaker 1: Hannah Montana was on TV and they made such a
Speaker 1: big deal out of the promise rings and the abstinence
Speaker 1: rings that those kids were all wearing. That was such
Speaker 1: a big storyline, like all these star children were promised rings.
Speaker 1: And at that point we were much older, and I
Speaker 1: just remember being like, oh, they're still doing that to
Speaker 1: these kids, still doing it like they can market the
Speaker 1: purity campaign well, And what's gross about it is they
Speaker 1: make them market it so that they can poke and
Speaker 1: poke and poke and poke and keep asking well, have
Speaker 1: you had sex? Now? Have you had sex? Now? Have
Speaker 1: you today? We share talking to teenagers about their sex
Speaker 1: lives unless we're talking about sex said teen pregnancy prevention
Speaker 1: STD prevention, Like, let's be honest and educate kids, keep
Speaker 1: them safe. Let's not like I don't know. It just
Speaker 1: feels so creepy and voyeuristic to me. I don't. Yes. Yes,
Speaker 1: as a community everybody monitoring it, I think it is weird.
Speaker 1: I really think. I understand. Um, you know, everybody comes
Speaker 1: from different worldviews, and so I understand in that community,
Speaker 1: if there's a worldview that you think is really helpful
Speaker 1: and good, you would want to support that and you
Speaker 1: would want to talk with other people in the community
Speaker 1: about that. And so I understand where the idea of
Speaker 1: the posters and the idea of like it's cool, don't
Speaker 1: worry like you're not going to be an outcast. Are
Speaker 1: lots of other people like you who see the world
Speaker 1: this way, who want to do this. We're with you,
Speaker 1: We're on your side. I support that element of it,
Speaker 1: of the community of people who have that worldview and
Speaker 1: that's how they want to conduct themselves. Um. But when
Speaker 1: it crosses over into the policing of it, and that's
Speaker 1: when it's like with the shame as a virgin in
Speaker 1: high school, anytime I heard that there was like a
Speaker 1: cool girl like celebrity that either was also a virgin
Speaker 1: or just like like not promiscuous, like didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of partners. Freshman year in college, Angelina Jolie was
Speaker 1: on the cover of Rolling Stone and everyone was shocked
Speaker 1: because she was like, oh no, I I can count
Speaker 1: all the sexual partners I've had, Like I don't even
Speaker 1: need a whole hand, like I've had so few, and
Speaker 1: as like a turbo virgin. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm not a freak like Angelina Jolie's, you know, squire.
Speaker 1: And so I think it's the it's the caricature that
Speaker 1: we use on our show of like if you're a virgin,
Speaker 1: you're weirdo. That's what's bothering me about. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: bothers me too. And by the way, guess who's coming
Speaker 1: to be a hot boy, clean teen who everybody is like,
Speaker 1: let's take his virginity, Like Stephen Colletti comes in as
Speaker 1: a clean teen enjoy that's right, that's where he comes from.
Speaker 1: And it's all about like, oh my god, Chase is
Speaker 1: so hot, he's so cool, but Shelley is like a
Speaker 1: lame freak. I'm not here for it. I don't like no.
Speaker 1: By the way, Shelley's hot. Elizabeth Arnwall takes what's on
Speaker 1: the page, and she's so earnest and she's so like, guys,
Speaker 1: this is going to be awesome. And I'm so glad
Speaker 1: that she came to play the part because she's yeah,
Speaker 1: like and so Lize and I had been friends for
Speaker 1: years already. Is that why she got on the show.
Speaker 1: We had a conversation on airplane where he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if we're going to make fun of your high school club,
Speaker 1: who do you want to play you? When I was like,
Speaker 1: my friend, Elizabeth is the only person I trust to
Speaker 1: play that part, because because she I knew wouldn't just
Speaker 1: make fun of the clean team. She would add an
Speaker 1: element of like, no, we're her kids and we're trying
Speaker 1: to make a safe space. She's a good actress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's so tempted and friends because they did that movie
Speaker 1: Ten and Chiero together, we're danili for that. Yes, that's yeah, gosh,
Speaker 1: that was an epic summer. That was a wild summer.
Speaker 1: But we were all already like buddies, so it made it.
Speaker 1: You know, that's so cool. It's so cool. And there's
Speaker 1: something too that I love, you know, it's it's we're
Speaker 1: just the particulars of humans can add to casting. Because
Speaker 1: Elizabeth has a face like an angel, like she just
Speaker 1: she has like a like a doll face, and there's
Speaker 1: something so the adds like just because of the way
Speaker 1: she looks, there's like an added level of just like
Speaker 1: sweetness and light. When she gets excited in these scenes,
Speaker 1: like when when she's excited to welcome Brooke and Rachel
Speaker 1: into this, it feels great. Even the next day when
Speaker 1: they're nervous to approach the table and they see Principal Turner,
Speaker 1: and you know, the unsaid thing is that's our alibi.
Speaker 1: We gotta go sit down. Like Elizabeth's beaming smile killed me.
Speaker 1: She's just so happy that we're coming to sit If
Speaker 1: you could convert a bad girl, what big caught the
Speaker 1: big fish man, Davis, you have a class president, Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. But also for Brooke like to to
Speaker 1: strip away the caricature of it all, Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: appreciate the notion that you always have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: reinvent yourself. Like let's say Brook legitimately wanted to swear
Speaker 1: off boys for a while, like she has just up
Speaker 1: on a teacher. You know, it's it's there's levels of
Speaker 1: grossness that have happened for Brooke over the last year,
Speaker 1: where like if she legitimately wanted to just hit restart, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate would avenue. That would have been nice if
Speaker 1: they had not made the group so corny, if they
Speaker 1: had actually made it like, you know, a little nerd,
Speaker 1: but like the authentic group of kids who really wanted
Speaker 1: to do something something good. Yeah, but I do like
Speaker 1: where the journey is going to go because in a way,
Speaker 1: though it isn't her intention, she does get that chance.
Speaker 1: And I think, on a is that what happens? What's happening,
Speaker 1: what's coming up? Yeah, like Brooke really there's a there's
Speaker 1: a whole storyline for her with clean teens and Chase,
Speaker 1: and it's it's cool, And I think what I like
Speaker 1: about the potential of it and and Hill what I
Speaker 1: what I really think I'm responding to and what you're
Speaker 1: saying is it was so cool in this era to
Speaker 1: just like judge kids and everyone was a stereotype and
Speaker 1: everyone was like a you know, this person was kind
Speaker 1: of a caricature and whatever, and the idea that we
Speaker 1: could choose to offer people a new path anytime and
Speaker 1: not judge them for it. You know, like like if
Speaker 1: we were going to do this storyline today, I would
Speaker 1: love it to be like, look, no harm, no foul,
Speaker 1: Like you get see who you are. But if you
Speaker 1: want to do something different, who says you can't? So inspired?
Speaker 1: Like setting that example, that's great, isn't isn't judging Shelley
Speaker 1: the way that she was being judged too, I think
Speaker 1: that's also a great example. Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: You know, even in the conversation they had back at
Speaker 1: Trick episodes ago, Wow, I didn't like the way that
Speaker 1: they know the writer has handled it. I like that
Speaker 1: Brook will just show up and be like, hey, tell
Speaker 1: me your story. Yeah, you know that's we get these
Speaker 1: like moments. I think in the way that we fought
Speaker 1: for each other as as girls on the show, we
Speaker 1: get these moments of like, oh, if we had had
Speaker 1: a little more that it would have been really nice.
Speaker 1: You know, it was really nice and needs an honorable mention.
Speaker 1: I know we're I know we're long today, but that
Speaker 1: scene all everything Mouth is going through in this episod,
Speaker 1: So it's so sweet. Lee is so good And that
Speaker 1: scene that opens tight on him and pulls back and
Speaker 1: Mouth is in the bed in between Lucas and Haley
Speaker 1: and they're talking about relationships. I loved that so much,
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved I loved being able to do
Speaker 1: that scene because we never got to do stuff together Lucas,
Speaker 1: Haley and Mouth. Yeah, that was so It was so
Speaker 1: nice to see. Also, I just loved being back in
Speaker 1: Lucas's bed, like the three of us, you know, it
Speaker 1: felt like, Hey, just a reminder River Court Days, reminder
Speaker 1: of where we all started. I love when our show
Speaker 1: does that, just the little easter egg reminders of where
Speaker 1: we started. Yeah, I want to see that childhood of
Speaker 1: the three. Yes, I would have been fun babies. It
Speaker 1: was so sweet. And what I like about where they're
Speaker 1: going with Mouth is their foreshadowing the change ahead, g saying, look,
Speaker 1: you're a senior going to graduate. They're beginning to foreshadow
Speaker 1: that we might not want to let go of this place,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna it's gonna let us go. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get pushed out of the nest here. And I just
Speaker 1: thought it was a beautiful device and and even the
Speaker 1: way that he, you know, being sweet mouths, wants to
Speaker 1: fight for her. And then all her friends come to
Speaker 1: sit and they actually cast like fourteen year old girls,
Speaker 1: young girls. You said that, You're like, look, they surrounded
Speaker 1: her with little girls, so she ya and you could
Speaker 1: really see the difference and you realize that, you know,
Speaker 1: she's just on the beginning of this journey that is
Speaker 1: coming to an end for the rest of us. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, it really hit me. It made me
Speaker 1: feel very emotional, and I just thought that they did
Speaker 1: that really well. I'm glad you called that out. That's good.
Speaker 1: It's my little honorable mention. Honorable mention. We guys start
Speaker 1: adding that into our episodes. It's kind of cussing her
Speaker 1: questions spin a wheel and honorable mention. We have a
Speaker 1: listener question we do all right. Liz wants to know
Speaker 1: where on Earth did all the characters keep their clothes.
Speaker 1: Peyton and Lucas both have closet doors wide open with
Speaker 1: desks and computers inside. I don't know why I've never
Speaker 1: noticed this before, but I'm laughing so hard at it.
Speaker 1: Season four. That is so true. It's hilarious. No, and
Speaker 1: and in Nathan and Haley's apartment. Anytime she went to
Speaker 1: the closet to get something, it was always just a
Speaker 1: hole in the wall. It was so small, like a
Speaker 1: little towel, like a linen closet. Yet we almost never
Speaker 1: wore the same thing twice. It's like, it's like each
Speaker 1: of these people needed a warehouse for their closets. We
Speaker 1: actually had the warehouse. Huh. I mean, to be fair,
Speaker 1: like Peyton lived all by herself, she could have just
Speaker 1: had a whole other room that was I'm going for that.
Speaker 1: And Brooke too, well, except when she moved into Lucas's house.
Speaker 1: But that wait, where is Brook living now Rachel's and
Speaker 1: apparently they're just buying doubles of all the same. Does
Speaker 1: Rachel have parents? No? I mean, my god, nobody has parents.
Speaker 1: We just have big houses and no parents. That's where
Speaker 1: all our clothes go. And our parents were just called
Speaker 1: it orphant. Yeah, yeah, Like what if Peyton's just wearing
Speaker 1: all of her mom's clothes and that lads a layer
Speaker 1: of sadness, that hot topics stuff. You know what? I
Speaker 1: you know what, I like speaking in Peyton's clothes. I
Speaker 1: like that Lucas is dressing more and more like Peyton
Speaker 1: him now in the leather jacket. It's a very Ellie look,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I was super into that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I really like it. I like that they're starting to
Speaker 1: twin a little bit. Yeah you called it. His collar
Speaker 1: was popped up like Keith's a little bit and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: the necklace and the shirt with the pattern on it,
Speaker 1: and his hair in the eyeliner. He's definitely going for
Speaker 1: it suits him. I mean, I think this is Chad's
Speaker 1: sweet spot, particularly on camera, way better than like Jock
Speaker 1: or you know. It's like that's his sweet spot. This
Speaker 1: emo boy for sure. Emo boys. Yeah, I just love it.
Speaker 1: It's like, not only are they coming into their relationship,
Speaker 1: but you feel like their relationship is helping Lucas come
Speaker 1: into his own in a way. And it's just like
Speaker 1: a nice thing to see, especially having had a character
Speaker 1: who kind of vacillates between knowing who he is and
Speaker 1: losing his way and and having his moral core and
Speaker 1: then kind of betraying his values at different stages and
Speaker 1: having to figure out, you know, who he wants to
Speaker 1: be and what he believes in. It's like you not
Speaker 1: only see him getting the answers in the way he's
Speaker 1: behaving in the way he's being with Peyton and the
Speaker 1: things he's saying, but like you see it in his identity,
Speaker 1: And yeah, that is such a fun aspect for me
Speaker 1: of our jobs is the way you get to build
Speaker 1: a whole person in a whole life. And you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about how we'd not had a great wardrobe
Speaker 1: person for a minute, but obviously we have somebody coming
Speaker 1: in at this point who's really getting the undertones broken.
Speaker 1: Rachel are dressing the same, and Peyton and Lucas like
Speaker 1: they're identifying people's relationships in in visual cues now too,
Speaker 1: And I just think that they were really we got
Speaker 1: lucky and they really started to nail it. It's like
Speaker 1: in theater, like and and, like Rogers and Harrison Musical,
Speaker 1: where the couples all wear the same color. It's like,
Speaker 1: we're the couple, were the pink couple. I like it,
Speaker 1: You're the couple in leather, leather, You a whale's been
Speaker 1: a whale? Whose are most likely to m hm? Who's
Speaker 1: most likely to let their kids? It's watch One Tree
Speaker 1: Hill in the future, dude, I don't know, probably not me,
Speaker 1: and Maria doesn't want to watch it. I don't think
Speaker 1: she's like whatever this lame. Yeahs is kind of repulsed,
Speaker 1: like he's kind of like, guys, enough um because it's
Speaker 1: well like no one thinks their parents are cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but also joy think about your visceral reaction now, four
Speaker 1: years into friendships, watching Chad and Hillary kiss, you were like,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, there, I don't like this, Like you
Speaker 1: can't be that. You can't be the viewer in that moment.
Speaker 1: Imagine how it feels for your kids. No, kids are like,
Speaker 1: who is that guy making out with? Hold on? Why
Speaker 1: are they wearing that? Come here? Come here? George is
Speaker 1: here right now. She's winging at me. She wants me
Speaker 1: to like put some on TV. Come here? Do you
Speaker 1: want to watch One Tree Hill? She shook her head
Speaker 1: no and looks, no, you don't want to watch mom
Speaker 1: on TV. Guys, she just wants something else on her iPad.
Speaker 1: So there's your answer. It's not the Morgan house. These
Speaker 1: kids just being interested literally anything else on their iPad.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have Barbera's daughters watch the show. I don't.
Speaker 1: They probably have, but I don't have things. Really, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think any of us would let our
Speaker 1: kids as at a certain point. But it's more of
Speaker 1: a question of whose kids actually would want to watch
Speaker 1: the show. I don't. I also guys, like, I love
Speaker 1: doing our rewatch with you, but what I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: want to do is rewatch it again like we're doing
Speaker 1: it so I don't know, one and done like joy.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine watching this episode today and then Maria
Speaker 1: gets home from school and it's like, Mom, what episode
Speaker 1: are we watching? You're like, I can't do it. I've
Speaker 1: done this already for two hours, Like so I don't
Speaker 1: know any why do it? Do? And watch? And yeah?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do agree if they wanted too, if,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, if in junior higher high school
Speaker 1: them and their friends got into it, I'd probably be
Speaker 1: like cool party a man in that because I know
Speaker 1: if these little punks sit down and start watching our show,
Speaker 1: they're just gonna make fun of me. And I don't
Speaker 1: know that now. I can't deal with that on top
Speaker 1: of everything else. No, I can't think of anyone like
Speaker 1: Antoine's kids. They're too cool for us. You know what
Speaker 1: I would like to know though, Remember that sweet woman
Speaker 1: who we met with her daughter on tour, who named
Speaker 1: her Sophia. Yea, they were so cute, but you know
Speaker 1: she was obviously she was a big fan of our show,
Speaker 1: and now her daughter is a big fan of our show.
Speaker 1: And like, I don't know, I would love to hear
Speaker 1: from some of the fans who watched it and now
Speaker 1: who watched it with their kids. I would love to
Speaker 1: know what their experience is because it's too close to
Speaker 1: home for us. Your kids don't want to watch you
Speaker 1: kiss some guy who's not their dad, you know, on TV.
Speaker 1: I get it, but I would love to know at
Speaker 1: that second life experience with kids is for our fans.
Speaker 1: So send us some Send us some d ms on
Speaker 1: the Drama Queens Instagram guys, tell us some stuff. So
Speaker 1: what's next week? What do we have next episode? Season
Speaker 1: four PSO twelve Resolve Resolve Well it's a one word title. Yeah,
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