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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about

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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama, girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: our comic girl Cheering for the drama, Queen's Girl Fashion.

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Speaker 1: But you're tough, girl. You can sit with us Girl Drama, Queens, Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama drawn MC, Queen's Drama, Queen's al Right, guys,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. We're gonna blame Michael Lang. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding. This was this script was The script was

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Speaker 1: a lot um and so we're just gonna dig in right.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand seven. This was a whopper. Uh. Following his

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Speaker 1: heart attack, Lucas returns to school, hoping to rekindle his

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Speaker 1: romance with Peyton. Haley learns that Nathan was responsible for

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Speaker 1: her accident. Brooke and Rachel hatch a plan to steal

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Speaker 1: de breaks out of rehab Lots of criminality. Wait, if

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Speaker 1: on by honestly though, it's like none of this makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It's so out there. This is one of those confusing episodes. Also,

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Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like the titles are taunting us, like

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Speaker 1: episode was in the right place, and the other is

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Speaker 1: very questionable. I agree, But like some of the scenes

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Speaker 1: flashback with him and Keith again. I love trying to

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Speaker 1: So much of it was so funny, and then and

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Speaker 1: then some of it. I don't know what was it

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Speaker 1: I had a really hard time watching Peyton and Lucas kiss,

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Speaker 1: I think I just know you guys all too well,

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Speaker 1: and it just brings out and there are going to

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Speaker 1: I was like, you're my friend's boyfriend. Like, I know,

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Speaker 1: stranger like Hayley does with Dante, she says he was

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00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: a bookie, but he was someone's child. You know, he

427
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: was a criminal, but he had parents and and when

428
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: it's someone you love and you have deep relationship with,

429
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: it can be so much harder to say. I have

430
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: to accept your truth as true for you, I have

431
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: to believe that you were doing the best you could,

432
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: and I have to hold true at the same time

433
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: that your best really hurt me, your best really hurt me.

434
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: How do you honor your pain and someone else's struggle

435
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: at the same time. That takes so much more complexity, vulnerability, humility,

436
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: honesty than it does to go, Yeah, I know that

437
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: guy might have been a bad guy, but what if

438
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: his mom was nice, Like, that's so much easier. Could

439
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: you get to imagine that, Oh, your best really hurt

440
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: it's the hardest. Yeah, it's sore. End when you're married, Like,

441
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: that's a marriage. When your marriage partner, your best really

442
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: hurt me, that's so hard to process and deal with. Yeah,

443
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: what do you do? And you know, we talk about

444
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: what we learned, and and as you age and you

445
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: learn things we talked about this last week. You have

446
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: much clearer perspective. You have like a better spidy sense

447
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: when someone's motivations aren't good. But you do lose some

448
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: of that innocence that allows you to be so purely

449
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: in love, so enormously trusting, And it can be really

450
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: difficult two carry truth, reality, experience failure inside of the

451
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: container you share with the person that you love the most.

452
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: The name of your next podcast is going to be

453
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: Containers Obtainers, everything but trainer. But yeah, like it. How

454
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: do you maintain loving someone so purely when they've also

455
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: hurt you? It sounds like struggle this episode, Everyone who

456
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: is a little bit that's a nice segue. Everybody leaves

457
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: um All right, Well, look I'm just gonna address the

458
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: d ms that I get where girls are like you,

459
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: you defend Jake and you defend Nathan, and nothing Lucas

460
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: does is good enough. And here's what I'm going to

461
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: tell you. He looked really handsome in this episod and

462
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: did he said some very sweeping things and we missed

463
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: a lot. It was grand gesture here. But here's the

464
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: thing that's crazy. Why are people yelling at you about

465
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: it just hasn't happened to your character yet? Because thus

466
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: far and Peyton f Lucas and Peyton have been a

467
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: miss He's been a cheater, He's he We've talked about

468
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: how he has, you know, struggled and Joy. You know,

469
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't remember what episode it was, but you were like, yeah,

470
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: like teenage boys don't know how to make good decisions.

471
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: Like that's okay, guys, it's the character arc. They don't

472
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: get together till season four, So how were we supposed

473
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: to talk about their great relationship in season three? Well?

474
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: I love that in two episodes he went from saying,

475
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: oh I love Joy was like he sounds like Daniel J.

476
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: Lewis in this episode of the Mohicans, We'll find you

477
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: my heart attack. No matter what happens no matter where

478
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: you go, no matter what comes between us. I shall

479
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: ride through heaven and hell to find you. Yes, and

480
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: I like it. Um. Peyton, however, needed a pause button.

481
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: I because we watched We watched the episode. I have

482
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: zero recollection of this, um because Peyton's being very standofficed

483
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: with him. And then you know the second scene the

484
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: Peyton Lucas had together, She's like like, p d A,

485
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: Like if you could just stop. I know that I've

486
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: been pursuing you for so long. Now don't kiss me

487
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: in front of people. That made me cackle like that

488
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: was very funny. That was also just such a good

489
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: window into you, Like that's you totally. I love you.

490
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: Don't touch me. Yeah, I really love you so much,

491
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: but don't. Anytime Jeff and I are on a red carpet,

492
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, they take pictures and they're like now kiss

493
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: kiss and I was looking at me and I'm like,

494
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: are we going to do that? And He's like, yeah,

495
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: we're going to do that, And I just always maybe

496
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: I am Peyton Sawyer where I'm like, You're like, I

497
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: don't want to where do I put my nose? I

498
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm mad at these writers for the way

499
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: they handled this, Peyton and Lucas finally coming back together,

500
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: Like this is a storyline We've been waiting for for

501
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: four seasons. I've cried and the fans, the fans have

502
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: been waiting. It's like building up, building up, and it's

503
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: like it's over in one second with some confetti and

504
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: now they're like, oh, boyfriend, girlfriend, a couple of little

505
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: issues and like, oh it's cute, Like where is the

506
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: long I want to see the longing? I want to

507
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: see the build up of like you telling him and

508
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: then him wanting desperately wanted to tell you, but he's

509
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: too wrapped up with trying to solve this. You know,

510
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: his uncle just got murdered and he woke up in

511
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: his heart attack, and he's like, how do I tell her?

512
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: What if I leave her? Like? What if something happens

513
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: to me? I can't tell her that I love her back.

514
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: Everybody leaves her. And so now there's another thing that's

515
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: in between them, like why didn't you have to go

516
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: to see a cardiologist to make sure his heart was

517
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: going to be okay? And she wants to go and

518
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: he says no because he's like, if I get bad news.

519
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: I can't get it in front of her, Like there

520
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: could have been we Yes, we could have really drawn

521
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: out the like longing, the epic romance of this like

522
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: everything he said I loved and I wanted to hear it,

523
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: but I wanted to hear it with like I wanted

524
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: to hear it after a battle of like trying to

525
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: get to each other through all the things that they

526
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: are in the way, and then finally they get to

527
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: each other and the light is you know, streaming the

528
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: way cameras catch sunlight, and you're like outside and it's

529
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: just something that's so beautiful, like the little sun glare

530
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: on you. And he finally says it all and it's

531
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: just music, is there? It is Haley, you know switch

532
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: foot song in the rain, Like, yeah, we needed that

533
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: on that for these two, Yes, because their love story

534
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: is the drawn out. It's it's the years of longing

535
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: and the wrong partners and the stuff. It's the notebook.

536
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: But we don't get the kiss on the dock, and

537
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: I feel robbed. No, I just sat at his bedside

538
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: in the hospital during this coma. He opens his eyes

539
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: and then there's like a time jump and it's like

540
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: I didn't see him for a whole yere you in school?

541
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: Bad girlfriend? No listen, Okay, but to that point, I

542
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: do feel robbed now that you've brought it up. Where

543
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: is my switch Foot song? Like, yeah, yeah, what is

544
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: the song that would have played in the scene that

545
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm not cool enough to know Peyton Lucas's music? You

546
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: tell me, because the first song that came to mind

547
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: as you're talking about him, I'm sitting here nod my head,

548
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: going yeah, yeah, that's fat and in my head the

549
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: song that plays with Lucas and Peyton finally kiss with

550
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: that spot of sunlight you described a flare in the

551
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: lens from the darkness, even a thing called love just

552
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: I believe it. Oh my god, isn't that Crane? No,

553
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: that's this man. It is during our show and it

554
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: was such a such it feels too fast. No, that's

555
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: what But that's what it needs to be. It needs

556
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: to be like like fast. Chad's wearing all these emo

557
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: clothes and the wristband and the eyeliner. We need an

558
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: emo pop post. Like I'm trying to think about what

559
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: was out in two thousand seven. I don't know why,

560
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: Like Massy Stars coming to mind for me. I mean

561
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: that was the late nineties, but Mazi Star did the

562
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: Twilight series come out then? Because I'm listening to it then,

563
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: Mazie Star was on the Empire Record soundtrack. Maybe that's why,

564
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: because it feels so nostalgic to oh yeah, because it

565
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: was Liz Fair. What was that Fade into You was

566
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: the Mazzy Star song? Yeah, like I want something emo

567
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: and romantic. Oh, I'm looking at the Billboard top charts

568
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: in two thousand seven, we're gonna find what do we got?

569
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all for delicious and like, hey, it's

570
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: definitely not that is not the song. But if someone

571
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: could cut it together just for our enjoyment, please the

572
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: scene we always wanted the guys, it got rushed. You

573
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: know what I wrote down when Chillary, when you said

574
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 1: it's just so sweeping, I wrote that down, and then

575
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: under it, I wrote, it's a grand gesture on steroids.

576
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: They've pumped up. They've pumped it up too fast and

577
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: and weirdly it kind of steals the payoff from us.

578
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: And we've been waiting four years for this because it's

579
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: always been Tori it. It's been bad. It's been affairs

580
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: that Alicia Keys song came out, which one no, definitely

581
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: no one. No. Maybe you guys didn't get a song

582
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: because we spend all our money on Led Zeppelin in

583
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: the car crash last year that we're still we're still

584
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: making up for lost time. But you deserved one. Well.

585
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: I like Peyton's point, Like, to be fair, I don't.

586
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it necessarily understood what she was saying

587
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: when we were kids of like, no, listen, everyone leaves,

588
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: So I'm having serious problems attaching to people. I definitely

589
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: feel that at this age, like I really limit who

590
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: I interact with on a daily basis because I everybody dies,

591
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, And so it's weird to evolve into Peyton

592
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: as an older woman. Um, but I I like that

593
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: that was her trajectory, and I like that this little

594
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: boy is trying desperately to get her to calm down,

595
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: and the only way he could do it is with

596
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: his tongue. You know what I like though, because to

597
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: your point, you wouldn't have had the language then you

598
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: know she's trying to say this thing. But now you

599
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: are at your age able to offer the perspective in

600
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: a clearer way, can relate to it more clearly. I

601
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: like that they're both a little fumbly with it because

602
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: they are kids, and I love that the only way

603
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: he knows how to explain it to you is to say,

604
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: but I came back for you. And it hints at

605
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: that idea that he had an experience in that in

606
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: between that he had, you know, something happened. He's told

607
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: you about Keith, and he's saying, no, I chose this,

608
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: I chose, I chose life. I chose to be here.

609
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: And and there's something I think, you know, for as

610
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: imperfect or you know, unclear as it might feel, this

611
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: idea that he gets to look at her and say like,

612
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: you're You're the reason I want to be here. That's beautiful.

613
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: I get it. It's really beautiful, and I think it

614
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: maybe it hits deeper for me in that moment, and

615
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: even hearing you talk about loss now because earlier in

616
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: the script, when you guys are on the quad and

617
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: he's talking about the experience with Keith, you know, Peyton

618
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: says that she feels like her mom and Ellie contact

619
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: her from the other side. And then the lightness in

620
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: the scene is I think of dreams as emails for ghosts.

621
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: I loved that. I loved that. It was so nice

622
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: to see them bond over this thing and so interesting

623
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: because we talked about it last week that it comes

624
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: in this week. I know, was that weird? But that

625
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: would have been That would have been a fun relationship

626
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: building to am conversation. Remember staying up so late with

627
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: the person you had a crush on and just like

628
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: talking for hours and hours and hours on the phone

629
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: in high school, like that phase where it's like, okay,

630
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: we've admitted we like each other, now we have to survey.

631
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: Let's tell each other every everything. Oh it's so romantic

632
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: and sweet. Um. Well, between all these like heavy heavy storyline,

633
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: Haley is fighting for life on crutches, trying at Karen's house,

634
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: Peyton's being a weirdo, there's Brooke and Rachel in so like,

635
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: I need to get to that part of the episode

636
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: because that the most entertaining thing on camera. I loved

637
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: it so much. And the fact, and you said it,

638
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: the fact that Danil and I look like twins in

639
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: this whole episode, whole episode. Our outfits are the same,

640
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: our jackets are the same, our hair is the same.

641
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: I love it, and god, I just wanted more and

642
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: more and more of it. It's so fun. It's so

643
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: fun and you guys are different enough that it doesn't

644
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: feel competitive on camera, like I'm not. It doesn't feel

645
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: like a carbon copy. Like you guys such different personalities,

646
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: you're really complimenting each other. It's just so And it's

647
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: interesting that these two girls, you know, who have been

648
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: judged and who have these really strong identities in their

649
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: own rights, can kind of say the things to each

650
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: other that if anyone else said it it would be

651
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: so offensive. When they do it, it's so funny, like

652
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: when Shelley the clean teen says, you know, our doors

653
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: are always open, and Brooks says, just like Rachel's legs.

654
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: But it's like, weirdly, it feels like a it's like

655
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: an inside joke for her and Rachel. It's not a dig.

656
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 1: And you know Rachel saying yesterday you were a slut

657
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: who was bad enough thing. Today you're a virgin with

658
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: an a funny. It's so funny to me. I loved

659
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: watching you two came around the corner in those cats

660
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: suits and I just died with the belts jingle, jingle

661
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: of the belt to defeat the purpose of being stealthy.

662
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: It is so funny, those little sixties and that's what

663
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: we did. We found those like kind of vintage inspired

664
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: belts and the go go boots I I forgot. I mean,

665
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: I have obviously such a sense memory of doing that.

666
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: Being in the school with Danielle. You know how funny

667
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: it was to run into Principal Turner, like the comedy

668
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: of that I remember, but I forgot some of the

669
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: physicality and I almost choked on my coffee when I say, Brooke,

670
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: it's weird to talk about myself in the third person,

671
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: but like as Brooke, when I stand up in the

672
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: cats suit and just start pawing at my whole body

673
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: looking for a pocket, I was like, oh my god,

674
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: we don't have pockets. Like I forgot about that. Having

675
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: to put the test in my boot was such a

676
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: It was such a pleasant surprise, so fun I love

677
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: when it. Well, you guys are climbing, climbing through the

678
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: school and deb is climbing out of rehab in her

679
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: own version of a black cat suit. This whole time

680
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: I was like, is rehab Like, man, I'm confused how

681
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: they can keep an adult unless it's That was a

682
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: gray little surprise at the end. Also, that slow fall

683
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: for Barbara repelling down the side of the building and

684
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: then winding up with her feet in the air stuck

685
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: was so freaking funny. And yeah, the cutting from Brooke

686
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: and Rachel to a deb and all these women sneaking

687
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: around and being so bad at it was gorgeous love.

688
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: And when Prince the principal like confronted you guys, just

689
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: the look on your faces, like, oh, why are we here? Also,

690
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: why was clean teen's meeting that late at school? I

691
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: hated the cleanteing storyline so much. I hated it so

692
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: much always, But I'm glad that he rings and the

693
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: promise that he gross. It's just so like, hell, I

694
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: know that there was an element of this that was

695
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: reality for you in school, but it went so camp

696
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: and it's just annoyed me. It's like, I know a

697
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: lot of Christian kids who were cool and yes, they

698
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: wanted to be virgins until they got married. They had

699
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: a particular worldview that they subscribed to have worked for them.

700
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: That's great, but they weren't like weirdos. You know they were,

701
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: but hey, I mean we um no, I was in

702
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: I mean obviously I started clean teams just with my

703
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: pack of friends at parties. But it wasn't just about virginity.

704
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: Was like we also didn't smoke and we didn't drink,

705
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: and it was like clean across the board. There was

706
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: this there was a scene in d C that was

707
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: like the straight Edge scene and so this was like

708
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: straight edge light, very light um. And we also had

709
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: Fellowship of Christian Athletes and that was where like the

710
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: football players who were good boys went. I went to

711
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: prom with the president a Fellowship of Christian Athletes. He

712
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: was so hot and so it was like not not weirdos.

713
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: It was like the captain of the football team and

714
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, like the girls on the volleyball squad, and

715
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: it was kind of this cross section of the school

716
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: that just needed to I don't know, but it's so

717
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: hanging fruit to tell the story this way, like there

718
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: are so why are kids like this always represented in

719
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: media like corny weirdos? Well? And what I have an

720
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: issue with it goes farther than that, is why, because

721
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: let's not forget we were in the early odds. We

722
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: were in the era where like Britney Spears was being

723
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: accosted by Jainists about for virginity that's why Jessica the

724
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: virginity or the sexual behavior of teenage girls at all

725
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: at all? Why are we talking to them about this,

726
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: Like it's none of our business, it's not appropriate. And

727
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: so it's so crazy because I'm watching that scene where

728
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: Rachel's like, well we can still brook ourselves, right and chill.

729
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: He's like, oh yeah, totally do it all the time.

730
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: I just got like a flash to like the things

731
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: everyone shall remain nameless. Don't worry if my home listening

732
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: to this. I know they're scared, but like the things

733
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: to tell me they were doing to not have sex,

734
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh my god, now it totally defeats

735
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: they Yeah, but you're right. Just the policing and the

736
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: monitoring of girls sex like sexual growth in behavior as

737
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: teenagers is so creepy. It's so creepy. And this was

738
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: a thing like after our show too, because I remember

739
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: like purity rings were a big deal. Yeah I never

740
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: had one, and I was like there, like I was

741
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: so swar same same but I never had a purity ring.

742
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: But I did have a subscription to Brio magazine. Alright,

743
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: I forgot it was like a Christian Christian girls teen magazine,

744
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: Like if you weren't allowed to get y Am or Cosmo, Girl,

745
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: you've got Brio from your grandmother. Christmas. God, you're pulling

746
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: these rabbits is out. I forgot about bees and girl.

747
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: There was an abstinence poster that came as like a

748
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: pull out from Brio magazine that I definitely had on

749
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: my wall until I was fifty, and then we moved

750
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't think I'm gonna put

751
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: it back up to stay true. But so when like

752
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: the Jonas brothers came along and like Miley, like a

753
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: Hannah Montana was on TV and they made such a

754
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: big deal out of the promise rings and the abstinence

755
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: rings that those kids were all wearing. That was such

756
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: a big storyline, like all these star children were promised rings.

757
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: And at that point we were much older, and I

758
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: just remember being like, oh, they're still doing that to

759
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: these kids, still doing it like they can market the

760
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: purity campaign well, And what's gross about it is they

761
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: make them market it so that they can poke and

762
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: poke and poke and poke and keep asking well, have

763
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: you had sex? Now? Have you had sex? Now? Have

764
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: you today? We share talking to teenagers about their sex

765
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: lives unless we're talking about sex said teen pregnancy prevention

766
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: STD prevention, Like, let's be honest and educate kids, keep

767
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: them safe. Let's not like I don't know. It just

768
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: feels so creepy and voyeuristic to me. I don't. Yes. Yes,

769
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: as a community everybody monitoring it, I think it is weird.

770
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: I really think. I understand. Um, you know, everybody comes

771
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: from different worldviews, and so I understand in that community,

772
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: if there's a worldview that you think is really helpful

773
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: and good, you would want to support that and you

774
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: would want to talk with other people in the community

775
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: about that. And so I understand where the idea of

776
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 1: the posters and the idea of like it's cool, don't

777
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: worry like you're not going to be an outcast. Are

778
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: lots of other people like you who see the world

779
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: this way, who want to do this. We're with you,

780
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: We're on your side. I support that element of it,

781
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: of the community of people who have that worldview and

782
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: that's how they want to conduct themselves. Um. But when

783
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: it crosses over into the policing of it, and that's

784
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: when it's like with the shame as a virgin in

785
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: high school, anytime I heard that there was like a

786
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: cool girl like celebrity that either was also a virgin

787
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: or just like like not promiscuous, like didn't have a

788
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: lot of partners. Freshman year in college, Angelina Jolie was

789
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: on the cover of Rolling Stone and everyone was shocked

790
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: because she was like, oh no, I I can count

791
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: all the sexual partners I've had, Like I don't even

792
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: need a whole hand, like I've had so few, and

793
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: as like a turbo virgin. I was like, oh my god,

794
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm not a freak like Angelina Jolie's, you know, squire.

795
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: And so I think it's the it's the caricature that

796
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: we use on our show of like if you're a virgin,

797
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: you're weirdo. That's what's bothering me about. Yeah, that's what

798
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: bothers me too. And by the way, guess who's coming

799
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: to be a hot boy, clean teen who everybody is like,

800
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: let's take his virginity, Like Stephen Colletti comes in as

801
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: a clean teen enjoy that's right, that's where he comes from.

802
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: And it's all about like, oh my god, Chase is

803
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: so hot, he's so cool, but Shelley is like a

804
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: lame freak. I'm not here for it. I don't like no.

805
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: By the way, Shelley's hot. Elizabeth Arnwall takes what's on

806
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: the page, and she's so earnest and she's so like, guys,

807
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: this is going to be awesome. And I'm so glad

808
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: that she came to play the part because she's yeah,

809
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: like and so Lize and I had been friends for

810
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: years already. Is that why she got on the show.

811
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: We had a conversation on airplane where he's like, Okay,

812
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: if we're going to make fun of your high school club,

813
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: who do you want to play you? When I was like,

814
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: my friend, Elizabeth is the only person I trust to

815
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: play that part, because because she I knew wouldn't just

816
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: make fun of the clean team. She would add an

817
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: element of like, no, we're her kids and we're trying

818
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: to make a safe space. She's a good actress. Yeah,

819
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: she's so tempted and friends because they did that movie

820
00:47:50,760 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: Ten and Chiero together, we're danili for that. Yes, that's yeah, gosh,

821
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: that was an epic summer. That was a wild summer.

822
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: But we were all already like buddies, so it made it.

823
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: You know, that's so cool. It's so cool. And there's

824
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: something too that I love, you know, it's it's we're

825
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: just the particulars of humans can add to casting. Because

826
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: Elizabeth has a face like an angel, like she just

827
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: she has like a like a doll face, and there's

828
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: something so the adds like just because of the way

829
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: she looks, there's like an added level of just like

830
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: sweetness and light. When she gets excited in these scenes,

831
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: like when when she's excited to welcome Brooke and Rachel

832
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: into this, it feels great. Even the next day when

833
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: they're nervous to approach the table and they see Principal Turner,

834
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: and you know, the unsaid thing is that's our alibi.

835
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: We gotta go sit down. Like Elizabeth's beaming smile killed me.

836
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: She's just so happy that we're coming to sit If

837
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: you could convert a bad girl, what big caught the

838
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 1: big fish man, Davis, you have a class president, Yeah,

839
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: oh my god. But also for Brooke like to to

840
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: strip away the caricature of it all, Yeah, I do

841
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: appreciate the notion that you always have the opportunity to

842
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: reinvent yourself. Like let's say Brook legitimately wanted to swear

843
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: off boys for a while, like she has just up

844
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: on a teacher. You know, it's it's there's levels of

845
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: grossness that have happened for Brooke over the last year,

846
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: where like if she legitimately wanted to just hit restart, Yeah,

847
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate would avenue. That would have been nice if

848
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: they had not made the group so corny, if they

849
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: had actually made it like, you know, a little nerd,

850
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: but like the authentic group of kids who really wanted

851
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: to do something something good. Yeah, but I do like

852
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: where the journey is going to go because in a way,

853
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: though it isn't her intention, she does get that chance.

854
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: And I think, on a is that what happens? What's happening,

855
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: what's coming up? Yeah, like Brooke really there's a there's

856
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: a whole storyline for her with clean teens and Chase,

857
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: and it's it's cool, And I think what I like

858
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: about the potential of it and and Hill what I

859
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: what I really think I'm responding to and what you're

860
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: saying is it was so cool in this era to

861
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: just like judge kids and everyone was a stereotype and

862
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: everyone was like a you know, this person was kind

863
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: of a caricature and whatever, and the idea that we

864
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: could choose to offer people a new path anytime and

865
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: not judge them for it. You know, like like if

866
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: we were going to do this storyline today, I would

867
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: love it to be like, look, no harm, no foul,

868
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: Like you get see who you are. But if you

869
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: want to do something different, who says you can't? So inspired?

870
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: Like setting that example, that's great, isn't isn't judging Shelley

871
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: the way that she was being judged too, I think

872
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: that's also a great example. Yeah, yeah, I like that.

873
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: You know, even in the conversation they had back at

874
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: Trick episodes ago, Wow, I didn't like the way that

875
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: they know the writer has handled it. I like that

876
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: Brook will just show up and be like, hey, tell

877
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: me your story. Yeah, you know that's we get these

878
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: like moments. I think in the way that we fought

879
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: for each other as as girls on the show, we

880
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: get these moments of like, oh, if we had had

881
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: a little more that it would have been really nice.

882
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: You know, it was really nice and needs an honorable mention.

883
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: I know we're I know we're long today, but that

884
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: scene all everything Mouth is going through in this episod,

885
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: So it's so sweet. Lee is so good And that

886
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: scene that opens tight on him and pulls back and

887
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: Mouth is in the bed in between Lucas and Haley

888
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: and they're talking about relationships. I loved that so much,

889
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved I loved being able to do

890
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: that scene because we never got to do stuff together Lucas,

891
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: Haley and Mouth. Yeah, that was so It was so

892
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: nice to see. Also, I just loved being back in

893
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: Lucas's bed, like the three of us, you know, it

894
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: felt like, Hey, just a reminder River Court Days, reminder

895
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: of where we all started. I love when our show

896
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: does that, just the little easter egg reminders of where

897
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: we started. Yeah, I want to see that childhood of

898
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: the three. Yes, I would have been fun babies. It

899
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: was so sweet. And what I like about where they're

900
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: going with Mouth is their foreshadowing the change ahead, g saying, look,

901
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: you're a senior going to graduate. They're beginning to foreshadow

902
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: that we might not want to let go of this place,

903
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: but it's gonna it's gonna let us go. We're gonna

904
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: get pushed out of the nest here. And I just

905
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: thought it was a beautiful device and and even the

906
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: way that he, you know, being sweet mouths, wants to

907
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: fight for her. And then all her friends come to

908
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: sit and they actually cast like fourteen year old girls,

909
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: young girls. You said that, You're like, look, they surrounded

910
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: her with little girls, so she ya and you could

911
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: really see the difference and you realize that, you know,

912
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: she's just on the beginning of this journey that is

913
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: coming to an end for the rest of us. And

914
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, it really hit me. It made me

915
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: feel very emotional, and I just thought that they did

916
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: that really well. I'm glad you called that out. That's good.

917
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: It's my little honorable mention. Honorable mention. We guys start

918
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: adding that into our episodes. It's kind of cussing her

919
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: questions spin a wheel and honorable mention. We have a

920
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: listener question we do all right. Liz wants to know

921
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: where on Earth did all the characters keep their clothes.

922
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: Peyton and Lucas both have closet doors wide open with

923
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: desks and computers inside. I don't know why I've never

924
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: noticed this before, but I'm laughing so hard at it.

925
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: Season four. That is so true. It's hilarious. No, and

926
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: and in Nathan and Haley's apartment. Anytime she went to

927
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: the closet to get something, it was always just a

928
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: hole in the wall. It was so small, like a

929
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: little towel, like a linen closet. Yet we almost never

930
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: wore the same thing twice. It's like, it's like each

931
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: of these people needed a warehouse for their closets. We

932
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: actually had the warehouse. Huh. I mean, to be fair,

933
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: like Peyton lived all by herself, she could have just

934
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: had a whole other room that was I'm going for that.

935
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: And Brooke too, well, except when she moved into Lucas's house.

936
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: But that wait, where is Brook living now Rachel's and

937
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: apparently they're just buying doubles of all the same. Does

938
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 1: Rachel have parents? No? I mean, my god, nobody has parents.

939
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: We just have big houses and no parents. That's where

940
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: all our clothes go. And our parents were just called

941
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: it orphant. Yeah, yeah, Like what if Peyton's just wearing

942
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 1: all of her mom's clothes and that lads a layer

943
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: of sadness, that hot topics stuff. You know what? I

944
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: you know what, I like speaking in Peyton's clothes. I

945
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: like that Lucas is dressing more and more like Peyton

946
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: him now in the leather jacket. It's a very Ellie look,

947
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, I was super into that. I don't know,

948
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: I really like it. I like that they're starting to

949
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: twin a little bit. Yeah you called it. His collar

950
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: was popped up like Keith's a little bit and uh yeah,

951
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: the necklace and the shirt with the pattern on it,

952
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: and his hair in the eyeliner. He's definitely going for

953
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: it suits him. I mean, I think this is Chad's

954
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: sweet spot, particularly on camera, way better than like Jock

955
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: or you know. It's like that's his sweet spot. This

956
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: emo boy for sure. Emo boys. Yeah, I just love it.

957
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: It's like, not only are they coming into their relationship,

958
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: but you feel like their relationship is helping Lucas come

959
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: into his own in a way. And it's just like

960
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: a nice thing to see, especially having had a character

961
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: who kind of vacillates between knowing who he is and

962
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: losing his way and and having his moral core and

963
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: then kind of betraying his values at different stages and

964
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: having to figure out, you know, who he wants to

965
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: be and what he believes in. It's like you not

966
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: only see him getting the answers in the way he's

967
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: behaving in the way he's being with Peyton and the

968
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: things he's saying, but like you see it in his identity,

969
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, that is such a fun aspect for me

970
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: of our jobs is the way you get to build

971
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: a whole person in a whole life. And you know,

972
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: we talked about how we'd not had a great wardrobe

973
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: person for a minute, but obviously we have somebody coming

974
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: in at this point who's really getting the undertones broken.

975
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: Rachel are dressing the same, and Peyton and Lucas like

976
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: they're identifying people's relationships in in visual cues now too,

977
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: And I just think that they were really we got

978
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: lucky and they really started to nail it. It's like

979
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: in theater, like and and, like Rogers and Harrison Musical,

980
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: where the couples all wear the same color. It's like,

981
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: we're the couple, were the pink couple. I like it,

982
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: You're the couple in leather, leather, You a whale's been

983
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: a whale? Whose are most likely to m hm? Who's

984
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: most likely to let their kids? It's watch One Tree

985
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: Hill in the future, dude, I don't know, probably not me,

986
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: and Maria doesn't want to watch it. I don't think

987
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: she's like whatever this lame. Yeahs is kind of repulsed,

988
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: like he's kind of like, guys, enough um because it's

989
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: well like no one thinks their parents are cool. Yeah,

990
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: but also joy think about your visceral reaction now, four

991
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: years into friendships, watching Chad and Hillary kiss, you were like,

992
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: oh no, no, there, I don't like this, Like you

993
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: can't be that. You can't be the viewer in that moment.

994
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: Imagine how it feels for your kids. No, kids are like,

995
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: who is that guy making out with? Hold on? Why

996
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: are they wearing that? Come here? Come here? George is

997
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: here right now. She's winging at me. She wants me

998
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: to like put some on TV. Come here? Do you

999
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: want to watch One Tree Hill? She shook her head

1000
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: no and looks, no, you don't want to watch mom

1001
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: on TV. Guys, she just wants something else on her iPad.

1002
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: So there's your answer. It's not the Morgan house. These

1003
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: kids just being interested literally anything else on their iPad.

1004
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I have Barbera's daughters watch the show. I don't.

1005
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: They probably have, but I don't have things. Really, I

1006
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I think any of us would let our

1007
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: kids as at a certain point. But it's more of

1008
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: a question of whose kids actually would want to watch

1009
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: the show. I don't. I also guys, like, I love

1010
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 1: doing our rewatch with you, but what I'm not gonna

1011
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: want to do is rewatch it again like we're doing

1012
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: it so I don't know, one and done like joy.

1013
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: Can you imagine watching this episode today and then Maria

1014
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: gets home from school and it's like, Mom, what episode

1015
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: are we watching? You're like, I can't do it. I've

1016
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: done this already for two hours, Like so I don't

1017
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: know any why do it? Do? And watch? And yeah?

1018
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do agree if they wanted too, if,

1019
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,479
Speaker 1: like I don't know, if in junior higher high school

1020
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: them and their friends got into it, I'd probably be

1021
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: like cool party a man in that because I know

1022
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: if these little punks sit down and start watching our show,

1023
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: they're just gonna make fun of me. And I don't

1024
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: know that now. I can't deal with that on top

1025
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: of everything else. No, I can't think of anyone like

1026
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: Antoine's kids. They're too cool for us. You know what

1027
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: I would like to know though, Remember that sweet woman

1028
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 1: who we met with her daughter on tour, who named

1029
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: her Sophia. Yea, they were so cute, but you know

1030
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: she was obviously she was a big fan of our show,

1031
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: and now her daughter is a big fan of our show.

1032
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: And like, I don't know, I would love to hear

1033
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: from some of the fans who watched it and now

1034
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: who watched it with their kids. I would love to

1035
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: know what their experience is because it's too close to

1036
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: home for us. Your kids don't want to watch you

1037
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: kiss some guy who's not their dad, you know, on TV.

1038
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: I get it, but I would love to know at

1039
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: that second life experience with kids is for our fans.

1040
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: So send us some Send us some d ms on

1041
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: the Drama Queens Instagram guys, tell us some stuff. So

1042
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: what's next week? What do we have next episode? Season

1043
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: four PSO twelve Resolve Resolve Well it's a one word title. Yeah,

1044
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: it's like the Madonna of our episodes. Share. Bye, guys,

1045
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: thanks for hanging out. See you next week. Hey, thanks

1046
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You

1047
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,880
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1048
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,360
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1049
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: Heart radio dot com. See you next time. Were all

1050
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about

1051
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Speaker 1: them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride

1052
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: at our comic girl cheering for the right drama queens

1053
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Speaker 1: with us. Girl Drama Queens, Drama Queens, Drama, Queen's Drama, Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queen is Drama, Queens