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Speaker 1: the former NFL offensive lineman filling in for Dan who's
Speaker 1: under the weather, got the call last night from Paul.
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Speaker 1: of those folks. We got a bunch of NFL stuff
Speaker 1: to get to. We spent a lot of time this
Speaker 1: morning on the World Cup and what's going on there
Speaker 1: with the US advancing to the round of sixteen. What is,
Speaker 1: by the way, Seaton, the format now is there are
Speaker 1: no draws. It goes right to penalty kicks. Now, what
Speaker 1: happens if after the ninety minutes, if still tied, you
Speaker 1: get two fifteen minute periods and then if it's still
Speaker 1: tied after that, then you go to penalty kicks. All right,
Speaker 1: But the point is like, there's no more point system.
Speaker 1: There's no more draws. No, no, no, yeah, now it's
Speaker 1: sudden death. Yeah, got win to advance. YEP. College football
Speaker 1: Playoff is out. I think maybe Paul he said he
Speaker 1: wants Alabama Ohio State in and he wants TCU and
Speaker 1: USC to lose. That what he said, Paul, No, that
Speaker 1: is I don't want those fan bases on me. Now.
Speaker 1: I just said that the scenario that could happen if
Speaker 1: TCU somehow lost to Kansas State and USC somehow lost
Speaker 1: to Utah, which are both close spreads. You got Alabama
Speaker 1: Ohio State waiting in the wings, and watch out for
Speaker 1: that one. From a TV production standpoint, could happen well.
Speaker 1: By the way, the sports books, Draft Kings thinks that
Speaker 1: that's a good chance. DraftKings has Ohio State's odds to
Speaker 1: win the national championship plus eight hundred. They have USC
Speaker 1: and TCU at plus twelve hundred. So they're basically saying,
Speaker 1: not only do we think us here, we didn't go house,
Speaker 1: date's getting in, and we think they're gonna get in
Speaker 1: to have a better chance. Pretty wild. Yeah, it should
Speaker 1: be a fun weekend. Yeah. Oh, by the way, I
Speaker 1: had no idea Purdue has a strong fan base. I've
Speaker 1: gotten at least like ten tweets at Ross Tucker NFL
Speaker 1: from Purdue fans that did not like the Purdue disrespect
Speaker 1: that I put out there. So I'm sorry to boiler
Speaker 1: Maker Nation. It's just I mean, we'll see how the
Speaker 1: game goes looked. That would be highly entertaining. My biggest
Speaker 1: issue isn't with Purdue. My biggest issue is that the
Speaker 1: Big Ten West almost never when's the last time look
Speaker 1: this up, Marvin, I don't know who our stat person is.
Speaker 1: When's the last time the Big Ten West won the
Speaker 1: Big Ten championship game? It feels like a long time, PAULI. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna check that, but keep an eye. You know,
Speaker 1: Purdue in Iowa, they're good for one major upset a year.
Speaker 1: Remember a couple of years ago Purdue that took down
Speaker 1: Ohio State. You know, they're always a good program. They
Speaker 1: never get in the national title picture. Up between Purdue
Speaker 1: and Iowa, they're good for one monster upset a year. Well,
Speaker 1: Mike Florido is good for at least one post a
Speaker 1: day over at Pro Football Talk dot Com, actually a
Speaker 1: lot more than that. And I wanted to bring on
Speaker 1: Mike specifically because I know we're gonna talk about Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: and I know we're gonna have more sell us wildly
Speaker 1: on later to talk about what the Packers should do
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. Very important when you're talking about the NFL.
Speaker 1: You have to understand the money did understand what the
Speaker 1: players options are, what the team's options are, And Mike
Speaker 1: Florio does a terrific job pro Football Talk dot Com.
Speaker 1: At Pro Football Talk had a breakdown of exactly why
Speaker 1: it's not really in the Packers hands at this point,
Speaker 1: is that right, Mike, Well, look the packers and hello Rosco,
Speaker 1: to talk to you. It's been a while. The Packers
Speaker 1: worried for two years about Aaron Rodgers wanting to live.
Speaker 1: At some level, they may be worrying about Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: wanting to stay at a time when they may be
Speaker 1: ready for him to go. And they've tied their hands
Speaker 1: with the contract they gave him earlier. This year. He's
Speaker 1: due nearly sixty million next year, fully guaranteed. They cut him,
Speaker 1: he still gets the money now. It would be subject
Speaker 1: to offset if he goes somewhere else. But no one's
Speaker 1: gonna pay him sixty million next year. They got a
Speaker 1: huge problem. They got a cap issue they'd have to
Speaker 1: deal with. Even if they trade him, the cap hit
Speaker 1: would be crippling. So unless he decides to retire and
Speaker 1: walks away from that sixty million, and he set up
Speaker 1: the contract so he could without financial consequence having to
Speaker 1: pay back money for example, he can walk away. If
Speaker 1: he walks away. Problem solved. They moved on to Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: But if he stays, he's getting that sixty million, and
Speaker 1: what are they gonna do? Put him on the bench
Speaker 1: and pay him sixty million dollars. So if they're thinking now,
Speaker 1: maybe the time to pivot to Jordan Love. And he
Speaker 1: looked pretty good the other night against the Eagles. Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers gonna have a big say and whether that happens,
Speaker 1: And that's a wrinkle that the Packers haven't been dealing with.
Speaker 1: They've been so worried about him leaving. Now they have
Speaker 1: to worry about him wanting to stay when they may
Speaker 1: want him to go somewhere else or retire. So because
Speaker 1: I had heard that it was basically a one year
Speaker 1: deal and then sort of we'll see after that in
Speaker 1: terms of what happens, But it sounds like that's only
Speaker 1: from the Rogers perspective and his ability to get out
Speaker 1: of it move on, not really from the Packers perspective.
Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised, Mike that they seemingly didn't consider
Speaker 1: this possibility that he might play poorly or that they
Speaker 1: might want to move on to Jordan Love, especially since
Speaker 1: next year will be year four for Jordan Love. Like
Speaker 1: they totally kind of gave up on Jordan Love. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that. I just think that they
Speaker 1: assumed after they saw Aaron Rodgers win back to back
Speaker 1: MVPs after they used a first round pick and a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick to get Jordan Love. Because they used
Speaker 1: for to trade up to get him, I don't think
Speaker 1: they expect that Aaron Rodgers to fall off the way
Speaker 1: that he has this year, or the team to fall
Speaker 1: off the way that it has. And with this thumb injury,
Speaker 1: rib injury, Aaron Rodgers openly saying he wants to play
Speaker 1: until they're mathematically eliminated, I think as a practical matter,
Speaker 1: they may be at the point where it's done. We
Speaker 1: see Jordan Love play really well on Sunday night, you're
Speaker 1: at the point if you're the Packers. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I was a Packers fan, I'd say I want to
Speaker 1: see Jordan Love the rest of the way. Give him
Speaker 1: some reps, get him ready for next year. Let's see
Speaker 1: what we have. They got to make a decision on
Speaker 1: his fifth year option by May of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: They don't have enough data to come to a good
Speaker 1: decision as to what to do about Jordan Love for
Speaker 1: next year and beyond. So I would be very anty
Speaker 1: about wanting to see what we have with Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: So we know whether or not we've got a successor
Speaker 1: in the building to Aaron Rodgers at a time when
Speaker 1: it feels like Aaron Rodgers is starting to decline, and
Speaker 1: from his perspective, he holds all the cards. He can
Speaker 1: do whatever he wants to do. And even if he's
Speaker 1: inclined to retire now, he'd have to be inclined to
Speaker 1: walk away from that sixty million, but he may decide
Speaker 1: to just stick around, just to throw a little wrench
Speaker 1: into the front officer's plan. I mean, we've seen that
Speaker 1: kind of impishness from Aaron Rodgers elsewhere, so I think
Speaker 1: it's a delicate situation. If the packers are thinking, hey,
Speaker 1: we'd like to move on, the worst thing they could
Speaker 1: do is let Aaron Rodgers know that that's what they're thinking.
Speaker 1: Talk with Mike Florio here on the Dan Patrick Show
Speaker 1: from Pro Football Talk, PAULI remind me to look up
Speaker 1: impishness during the break well to make sure I fully understand.
Speaker 1: I think I got it in the conte. Don't act
Speaker 1: like the big dumb rockhead you went to pay. Hey, Mike,
Speaker 1: I forgot that it was Cohonis instead of co Jones.
Speaker 1: I said col Jones for the nut shot heard round
Speaker 1: the world by Christian Poulisic yesterday. I'm glad by the way,
Speaker 1: Mike you mentioned Rogers comments. I I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: the only person that that really bothered that he came
Speaker 1: out and publicly said, as long as we're still in
Speaker 1: it and we're not eliminated, I want to play, which
Speaker 1: Mike creet me if I'm wrong here that intimates that
Speaker 1: if they are eliminated, that he doesn't want to play. Well,
Speaker 1: Hall a second, you're making a ton of money, dude,
Speaker 1: And not only that. Do you think David Baktiari, who's
Speaker 1: had three surgeries on that knee and it's gonna have
Speaker 1: an arthritic knee the rest of his life, do you
Speaker 1: think he wants to play out the string? You think
Speaker 1: Marcedes Lewis Mike in year seventeen, at thirty eight years old,
Speaker 1: wants to play four or five meetingless games at tight end.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm the only one that noticed those
Speaker 1: comments by Rogers or took him the task on that well.
Speaker 1: And it didn't surprise me because ross I've thought all
Speaker 1: along that the moment they were done, that's when he's
Speaker 1: gonna slide the injured reserve because of the thumb injury
Speaker 1: that we didn't know was broken until after. He looked
Speaker 1: horrible in the fourth quarter against the Tennessee Titans, missing
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins when he was wide open on a drive
Speaker 1: when they could have cut it to a one score game,
Speaker 1: missing Alan Lazard, horribly over the top, getting booed by
Speaker 1: the home fans. Then all of a sudden, we hear
Speaker 1: that it's a broken thumb, and then we hear it's
Speaker 1: an evulsion fraction where the bone and the ligament are tastic.
Speaker 1: It's amazing he's still playing all this stuff that was
Speaker 1: the same injury for the past two months, and he
Speaker 1: looked pretty damn good against the Cowboys four days before.
Speaker 1: He didn't look good against the Titans. So it felt
Speaker 1: to me like it was moving toward sliding to injured
Speaker 1: reserve at the right time. And the other thing too.
Speaker 1: I don't know, mathematically eliminated and done are two different things.
Speaker 1: They may not be mathematically eliminated for a while, but
Speaker 1: it kind of feels like they're done. And I feel
Speaker 1: like if they lose to the Bears this week and
Speaker 1: they go to their by, I don't think he plays
Speaker 1: on the other end of it. Because of that thumb injury,
Speaker 1: and because they will, as a practical matter, be done
Speaker 1: if they don't beat the Bears. They should be able
Speaker 1: to beat the Bears, though, especially if they don't have
Speaker 1: justin fields. But if they lose in Chicago then they
Speaker 1: are done. Then why not see what Jordan Love can do.
Speaker 1: Get the guy some reps and figure out what his
Speaker 1: ceiling may be. I am now totally fascinated by the idea.
Speaker 1: Mike of Jordan Love comes in the last four games,
Speaker 1: plays awesome, looks great. Packers fans are excited, and Rogers
Speaker 1: says the team, Yeah, no, I'm staying. I'm staying. I'm
Speaker 1: not retiring. You can trade me if you want. But no,
Speaker 1: I mean he had the chance to totally reverse the
Speaker 1: script of him being mad for them screwing him over
Speaker 1: by drafting Jordan Love. He can go if he chooses,
Speaker 1: he can stick it to them to end this thing,
Speaker 1: and a lot of guys wouldn't want to do that.
Speaker 1: He strikes me as a guy that wouldn't mind sticking
Speaker 1: it to them on the way out. Well Ross, for
Speaker 1: so much of his career he was a guy who
Speaker 1: stayed away from any type of controversy, he was very
Speaker 1: sensitive about being disliked by anyone, and he's taken that.
Speaker 1: He'll turn over the past couple of years where he
Speaker 1: kind of likes it. I think he kind of digs
Speaker 1: knowing that there's going to be some people who are
Speaker 1: behind him and some people who hate him, and he's
Speaker 1: cool with that. And what better way to be anywhears
Speaker 1: black all the time? What he is with all the black.
Speaker 1: I think he kind of likes this, this bad guy image.
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate bad guy to say the Packers sucks
Speaker 1: for you. You owe me sixty million dollars. If you
Speaker 1: want to put me on the bench, that's fine, but
Speaker 1: I want my money. If you want to cut me,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but I want my money. If you want
Speaker 1: to trade me, good luck to your salary cap. And
Speaker 1: then you have to deal with me as the quarterback
Speaker 1: for whoever you trade me. Too curious to get your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Mike on Jeff Saturday, Monday night, didn't call the time
Speaker 1: out yesterday comes out and says he made a mistake.
Speaker 1: What I thought was interesting, and you and I look
Speaker 1: at some things the same way. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of people, especially insiders, Mike, that couldn't wait to pounce
Speaker 1: on a coaching air or a perceived error by Saturday.
Speaker 1: I give him credit for taking accountability and saying yeah,
Speaker 1: learning experience. But man, people were salivating. They were waiting
Speaker 1: for that moment to say, see, he screwed up. He
Speaker 1: shouldn't be the coach. I think. I think. I think
Speaker 1: Mike just froze on us on the zoom there. Either
Speaker 1: that or my question was that good? Anyway? Appreciate having
Speaker 1: Mike on the show. Mike, thank you very much. Check
Speaker 1: him out at Pro Football Talk. Mike obviously does a
Speaker 1: terrific job. The last question I was gonna ask him.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny about Florio? Every one of his posts,
Speaker 1: for the most part, very measured, very professional, except when
Speaker 1: he posts about the Vikings because he's a Vikings fan.
Speaker 1: It's so funny and like, no matter how reason you
Speaker 1: can be in any other aspect, when you're a fan,
Speaker 1: you're a fan. Like he'll tweet, like during the Bills
Speaker 1: game when they came back to win. He's like another
Speaker 1: game where the Vikings can beat the bad teams, but
Speaker 1: they can't beat the good teams. Then they win the game.
Speaker 1: The next day, he had them number one in his
Speaker 1: power rankings. PAULI, yeah, I understand it, and I didn't
Speaker 1: do it detrol you. But we were discussing uniforms last hour,
Speaker 1: and I know you like the Eagles, and I just
Speaker 1: don't you know, I mentioned the Eagles as the uniforms.
Speaker 1: They bothered me because they have so many better options.
Speaker 1: But it really is, when you have a team, it's
Speaker 1: hard to have a sense of humor about it when
Speaker 1: you could joke about all the other teams. When someone
Speaker 1: comes after your team or says something, it's like, hold
Speaker 1: on you kind of puck her up a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's just natural. It's like my best friend growing up
Speaker 1: had two brothers and they would fight or whatever, yell
Speaker 1: each other all the time. If I said one word
Speaker 1: to one of the brothers, if I wanted to stop
Speaker 1: them fighting, I would just say one thing to one
Speaker 1: of them and all three of them would turn around immediately,
Speaker 1: and you shut up. You stay out of it. They weren't.
Speaker 1: They weren't here for it. I am here for Marcellus Wiley.
Speaker 1: I have actually an awesome Marcellus Wiley story that I
Speaker 1: don't know if I've ever taught him or told him.
Speaker 1: I might have, but I don't know that I have. Yes, Paul,
Speaker 1: you guys almost over left. He was with the Bills
Speaker 1: just before you joined the Bills. Is that right? Yes,
Speaker 1: but I have a better story than that, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait to hear when we come back.
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Speaker 1: edition here of The Dan Patrick Show. Ross Tucker former
Speaker 1: NFL offensive lineman. Those of you watching by the way
Speaker 1: you can see on peacock, I've played for five teams
Speaker 1: in seven years. Although I looked like I'm looking at
Speaker 1: my home, it's there. I got a Patriots, a Bills,
Speaker 1: a Cowboys. I actually have two from the artist formerly
Speaker 1: known as the Washington Redskins, and then one Princeton. Yes, Seaton,
Speaker 1: when you were in high school, how the idea of
Speaker 1: you becoming an NFL player. Was it something that was
Speaker 1: on your mind or like on your coach's mind in
Speaker 1: high school or was that sort of far off? Not
Speaker 1: at all, So probably was my dream until like sixth grade.
Speaker 1: Maybe My dad's five nine, one hundred and seventy pounds,
Speaker 1: and I was like a real late bloomer. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to be a broadcaster. I wanted to like work
Speaker 1: for ESPN or be a writer for Sports Illustrated. And
Speaker 1: then I all of a sudden, even in tenth grade,
Speaker 1: I was six foot one seventy five. But then my
Speaker 1: junior year I sprouted and was almost sixty four to
Speaker 1: ten and started getting a couple of scholarship offers an
Speaker 1: interest from my Ivy League schools. But I remember specifically
Speaker 1: Seaton thinking I'm never gonna be an NFL player, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not even good enough for major college Penn State
Speaker 1: or Notre Dame or whatever. So if I can go
Speaker 1: to Princeton or Harvard because of football, I have to
Speaker 1: do it. So not even not even a speck on
Speaker 1: the radar screen. Wow, I would say in high school.
Speaker 1: Just thrilled that and enabled me to go to an
Speaker 1: Ivady school, which is really good timing because that's actually
Speaker 1: the story I have for our next guest, who joins
Speaker 1: us every Wednesday at this time. But before I bring
Speaker 1: on Marcellius Wild. He does a great job hosting his
Speaker 1: podcast on the Dan Dan Patrick podcast Network. I thought
Speaker 1: he had some interesting things to say about Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: recently on the show. The glaring issue was Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: wanted to plays to break down so he can show
Speaker 1: up and show out. And that's something that is not replicable.
Speaker 1: That's not something that you can repeat as a coordinator.
Speaker 1: That's not a play you can call, Hey, hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna run forty two x breakdown play on three like
Speaker 1: stay on script, stick to the script, and Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: is actually better off script. And imagine if you're the
Speaker 1: coordinator or the coach, what player are you calling off script?
Speaker 1: So his inaccuracy, he is showing his ugly head. But
Speaker 1: more importantly that broken inner clock that he always had.
Speaker 1: He couldn't feel the rush or he wanted the rush
Speaker 1: to come, so he can activate Russell Wilson and go
Speaker 1: out there and just run around in circles and seven
Speaker 1: seconds later complete a path. That is from More to
Speaker 1: It on the Dan Patrick Podcast Network from Marcellis, Marcellas
Speaker 1: does a really good like that. I like that. That
Speaker 1: was the highlight there. Marcellis really appreciate you coming on
Speaker 1: the show. Now. I can't remember if I told you
Speaker 1: this story or not before, but the guys are gonna
Speaker 1: love this, okay. So Seton just asked me about you know,
Speaker 1: me and the NFL or whatever, and I said I
Speaker 1: was a late bloomer. The first letters I got were
Speaker 1: winner of my junior high school were from Ivy League schools.
Speaker 1: So spring break, okay. I didn't tell any of my buddies,
Speaker 1: but I was doing for spring break because I was
Speaker 1: gonna go visit Harvard, Yale, and Columbia. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to tell them that because they would have been like, yeah, right, dude,
Speaker 1: you're not smart enough to go there. Who do you
Speaker 1: think you are? Whatever? I just didn't want to say anything.
Speaker 1: So I go up to Harvard, see the campus, whatever,
Speaker 1: But there was no I didn't see any players. Go
Speaker 1: to Yale, see the campus, meet the coaches. Still haven't
Speaker 1: many players. The first school where I actually saw what
Speaker 1: IVY League players looked like because I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Mike Donnelly, okay, the great Mike Donnelly. Hey takes me
Speaker 1: into the weight room at Columbia and I'm a junior
Speaker 1: in high school. This is spring break. This would have
Speaker 1: been spring of ninety six. I'm like six four, two thirty.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing my why I'm missing letter jacket because in
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania that's what you do if you want girls, you
Speaker 1: put the letter jacket on. And two players come up
Speaker 1: to me to say hi, Mark Sellis Wiley, who was
Speaker 1: a six y five two hundred and seventy five pound
Speaker 1: d n and Rory Wilfork. Yeah. I were thinking two things.
Speaker 1: One is, these guys are really nice. That's really cool
Speaker 1: they came over to talk to me. And secondly, I
Speaker 1: can't even play in the IVY League. Ourselves with like
Speaker 1: six five two seventy five, you had all kind of
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. And because Columbia was
Speaker 1: historically really bad. Now, I know you guys that year
Speaker 1: you'd been like eight and two, or that next year
Speaker 1: you were whatever. But I was like, this is what
Speaker 1: the Columbia dudes look like. Yeah, you were like, Dude,
Speaker 1: this NFL dream I have is never gonna happen because
Speaker 1: you're like, if these two dudes are in the Ivy League,
Speaker 1: what the hell does another Dame player really look like
Speaker 1: in live in person? But you actually just so upset
Speaker 1: in my mind. I couldn't even play in the Ivy League.
Speaker 1: I was so like, oh my gosh, I can't play
Speaker 1: against guys like this. But people don't know your story
Speaker 1: real quick before we're getting the other things refresh my memory.
Speaker 1: Then you go to Columbia as like a six two,
Speaker 1: two hundred pound running back or something, oh even smaller
Speaker 1: than that. I was a six foot, one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty pound kick returner slash running back, like I was
Speaker 1: damned near a tall wark done it. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: And then I just kept putting on weight twenty pounds
Speaker 1: and I would grow one inch every single year. All
Speaker 1: my friends knew it was coming. I was a late
Speaker 1: bloomer like you, probably even later. But my mother was huge,
Speaker 1: and I say that respectfully. She was six one, two fifty.
Speaker 1: She was like Mike Singletary and here I am in
Speaker 1: college playing football and I'm smaller than my mom. So
Speaker 1: everyone knew it was coming. It just happened on Columbia's watch.
Speaker 1: So there's two funny things about that. Marcellis number One.
Speaker 1: My wife and I talked about this all the time
Speaker 1: because she was with me during my seven years in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Some guys have big dads, some guys don't.
Speaker 1: Every guy has a big mom. Every guy has a
Speaker 1: big mom. Do you know any NFL lineman whose mother
Speaker 1: is not a bigger woman? Oh yeah, oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: I mean that's how Thanksgiving dinner gets cooked, and then
Speaker 1: that's how those players grow because mama had the triceps
Speaker 1: hanging and big Mama was in the kitchen. So yeah,
Speaker 1: my mom was gigantic. And I used to always just
Speaker 1: sit there like guys would tease me, but like, your
Speaker 1: mom's huge, and you know, it's just jokes. And I
Speaker 1: was like, one day that's gonna pay dividends, y'all, and
Speaker 1: if Iley turned into a signing bonus. Talking with the
Speaker 1: Great Marcellis Wiley, former NFL All Pro defensive Ben He's
Speaker 1: the host of More to It on the Dan Patrick
Speaker 1: Podcast Network. It's funny because I remember one time I
Speaker 1: said something that my mom about how you know I
Speaker 1: liked girls like her, Like, you know, she's five nine
Speaker 1: and broad, her shoulder, not as big as your mom,
Speaker 1: but brought her shoulder and five nine. I said, I
Speaker 1: don't because back then, um, Marcellis, the models were like
Speaker 1: Kate Moss and stuff. So like any of the magazines
Speaker 1: about they were like, like way forer thin. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not into that. I like, I said, I said,
Speaker 1: like you mom, you're big but beautiful. And my dad
Speaker 1: looked at me, Marcellis, like you're dead, You're dead. And
Speaker 1: my mom said she took a sip of like her wine.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, you know, Ross, I looked different before
Speaker 1: I had a ten pound baby. It was so let's
Speaker 1: get into a couple of these football things. The Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson point you made is a really good one. I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting. Marcellis hearing or seeing I guess
Speaker 1: Mike Purcell go after Russell Wilson in the game, or
Speaker 1: at least go up to him, because Dan asked me
Speaker 1: about it on Monday, and I said to him, I
Speaker 1: don't know the tone there. Was it like encouraging, like
Speaker 1: come on, man, you can do this, or was it like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: get your you know what together? Because to me, Marcellas,
Speaker 1: those are two very different things. Yeah, they're two different things.
Speaker 1: But you don't have to know what the tone was
Speaker 1: to know that this was in subordination. And this is
Speaker 1: not supposed to happen. When Russell Wilson, your franchise quarterback,
Speaker 1: is going through his struggles, your team is going through
Speaker 1: his struggles, the head coach is going through his struggles.
Speaker 1: So you know that any conversation that has that type
Speaker 1: of look, we know what the context is, and we
Speaker 1: know how we're gonna interpret it, it's gonna be contentious.
Speaker 1: So now you have a lineman, I don't give a
Speaker 1: damn who he is coming up to the star quarterback
Speaker 1: and trying to check him on the sidelines. You only
Speaker 1: do that when you're losing respect for who that guy is,
Speaker 1: Like you, let us reputation should precede him. He's a
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer, he's a champion. You know, he's
Speaker 1: your franchise quarterback, and you let one slide, you let
Speaker 1: another pass slide, you let another quarter slide, you let
Speaker 1: another game slide, and finally you're at your wits end
Speaker 1: and you're like, dude, I don't give a damn who
Speaker 1: you are, blah blah blah. So that showed me that
Speaker 1: this is not only something that Russell Wilson has to
Speaker 1: deal with losing respect on that team, but more importantly,
Speaker 1: how many guys have he lost, because you know, when
Speaker 1: one guy comes up to you, he's fueled by ten
Speaker 1: other guys who want to say the same damn thing.
Speaker 1: So the one thing I really liked about the point
Speaker 1: you made on your podcast More to It part of
Speaker 1: the Dan Patrick podcast network, is how so much of
Speaker 1: what Russell's done over the years is the second reaction stuff,
Speaker 1: which is why I'm not really buying the new offense
Speaker 1: thing that much, because what's always made him a special
Speaker 1: player is the second reaction stuff. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he has anymore, I don't know if he can do
Speaker 1: it anymore. And if he doesn't have a second reaction stuff,
Speaker 1: he's got a problem. And Denver's got a major problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, Russell Wilson has thrived off
Speaker 1: of Plan B in terms of play calling for so long,
Speaker 1: and now because he's not honed in on those fundamentals
Speaker 1: Plan A, staying on scripts, staying on schedule, it seems
Speaker 1: like it's a little too late to try and fix
Speaker 1: his issues. I don't know what's going to be to solve,
Speaker 1: but it won't be different play calling because Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: his reflexes are to always let the play break down,
Speaker 1: not to stay on that first read, second read, and
Speaker 1: then try to build out or Russell Wilson likes to
Speaker 1: build out first, and that's when he has the most success.
Speaker 1: So you think about it, it's been really disguised because
Speaker 1: he's had a tremendous defense in Seattle the early years especially,
Speaker 1: and he had the running game in Seattle. So now
Speaker 1: you're in just the play action passing, safer passes and
Speaker 1: also a time for you to take off and get
Speaker 1: big dividends. Now they're just saying, look, we know what
Speaker 1: you like to do, Russell Wilson, so we're gonna take
Speaker 1: that off the board. Now you have to beat us
Speaker 1: by being disciplined. Now you have to beat us by
Speaker 1: that strict play call. And Russell Wilson so far as
Speaker 1: felling at it. Curious to get your take on Jeff Saturday.
Speaker 1: And I know you've talked about him being a coach
Speaker 1: with Dan the last couple of weeks, But what about
Speaker 1: what happened Monday night not calling the time out and
Speaker 1: then yesterday Jeff accepting accountability for it and saying that
Speaker 1: he made the mistake. What did you think of that? Look,
Speaker 1: it's two things conflating as one. I've seen Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: have coaching mistakes misq's errors. I can remember a fourth
Speaker 1: and two in Indianapolis a few years ago. Like every
Speaker 1: coach has this mistake on their resume. The thing is
Speaker 1: when you don't have that deeper resume, let's not have
Speaker 1: that mistake. Ha and too early, because now we're gonna say, see,
Speaker 1: that's why he's unqualified. See this is why you shouldn't
Speaker 1: skip the line. Well, the greatest coach of all time
Speaker 1: on down has had this same clock management issue before.
Speaker 1: At the end of the game that said, this is
Speaker 1: how you take your lumps, this is how you go
Speaker 1: through the growing pains, This is the rights of passage
Speaker 1: in terms of making a mistake, owning that mistake, and
Speaker 1: making sure that's something you never do again. And that's
Speaker 1: how we learned the game as well. How many times
Speaker 1: did you come back from a game, whether it was
Speaker 1: a glowing performance or one that made you put your
Speaker 1: head down and then you start watching film and coach
Speaker 1: gets that red dot on you and he said, see
Speaker 1: this right here, see this right here, And then next
Speaker 1: time you're out there, you're only cognizant of it because
Speaker 1: it was highlighted as a misque. So for me and
Speaker 1: Jeff Saturday, I thought it was a good hire. I'm
Speaker 1: getting really tired of the same old rigamarole of okay,
Speaker 1: you're assistant coaching, then you become a coordinator and your
Speaker 1: team is top five as a coordinator and defense and offense.
Speaker 1: And then you become a head coach and you're going
Speaker 1: to fail because you're going to a bad team in
Speaker 1: a bad organization, and the cycle continues. So hey, shake
Speaker 1: it up a little bit, and Jeff Saturday is gonna
Speaker 1: learn the hard way. But I still think it was
Speaker 1: a good hire. Marcel's if you were running the show
Speaker 1: in Green Bay, let's I don't care if you're the
Speaker 1: head coach la Floor, maybe you're the GM Kuda Kunst,
Speaker 1: how much longer are you rolling with Aaron Rodgers this year?
Speaker 1: Or when are you trying to see what you got
Speaker 1: in Jordan Love for the rest of the year. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a question that's too late to ask right now
Speaker 1: because you committed three years, one hundred and fifty million
Speaker 1: to them. But I get the gist of what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I don't need to see Jordan Love. When I have
Speaker 1: that type of commitment to a first ballot Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: top ten, top five quarterback of all time, I'm riding
Speaker 1: it to the wheels fall off. And we know that
Speaker 1: the wheels could fall off this year mathematically, once they're
Speaker 1: eliminated from the playoffs, the injuries won't be my concern.
Speaker 1: If I'm the coach, if I'm the general manager, if
Speaker 1: I'm an organization, if he wants to play, he will
Speaker 1: play because we committed to him and he's committed to
Speaker 1: this game. Jordan Love. I've seen Jordan Love. Jordan Love
Speaker 1: practices every day. Geordan Love is in the games last year.
Speaker 1: We know what Jordan Love is and it's not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: And probably not a good enough version or portion of
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers for you to feel full confidence. If he were,
Speaker 1: we would have seen him earlier. They would have changed
Speaker 1: the narrative last year and allowed him more opportunities. So
Speaker 1: to say, now I want to go back to Jordan
Speaker 1: Love because Aaron Rodgers has heard and the team is bad.
Speaker 1: Let's just see where we have. That's fool's goal. This
Speaker 1: is what happens to every team that hits subversity, every
Speaker 1: team that goes through their ills. The most popular player
Speaker 1: on that team is the backup quarterback because he holds
Speaker 1: everyone's imagination, everyone's oh we put him in everything can change,
Speaker 1: and most times that's a feeling situation. We already know
Speaker 1: who Jordan Loved is. This is not the time to
Speaker 1: see more. Make sure you check him out. Marcellus Wiley
Speaker 1: on More to It on the Dan Patrick Podcast Network
Speaker 1: this week. Marcell's gonna tell you why OBJ should be
Speaker 1: wearing that star on the side of his helmet soon.
Speaker 1: How Deshaun Watson got in this predicament just days before
Speaker 1: his return, which weirdly we're not really talking about all
Speaker 1: that much, and how TiO was lucky he didn't get
Speaker 1: more than he paid for at CBS. Marcello's really appreciate
Speaker 1: the time. Thank you so much. All right, take care
Speaker 1: of if you keep it going ross. All right, there
Speaker 1: he is Marcellis Wiley, the guy that made me feel
Speaker 1: like I couldn't play in the Ivy League. That was wild.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, oh boy, I'm in trouble. Forty minutes
Speaker 1: past the hour. We're gonna chime in on that, and
Speaker 1: I think we gotta say something about this Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: situation as well. It's kind of weird that nobody's talking
Speaker 1: about it. We'll dive into that when we return here
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Speaker 1: James Vanderbeek in your life. Yes, Paulie, all right, well
Speaker 1: we got do you see the UAB story for us?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know you played in the NFL. Ever,
Speaker 1: all these NFL guys are getting jobs. I did you.
Speaker 1: AB offered Trent Dilfer the job. He doesn't have a
Speaker 1: ton of coaching experience. I'm telling you could be next.
Speaker 1: You can find out small college looking for a head coach.
Speaker 1: Light on the experience, Ross Tucker. But why would I
Speaker 1: want to do that? I mean, coaching is Here's the
Speaker 1: thing is, I think it's really interesting about this. With
Speaker 1: so many guys doing it that used to be in
Speaker 1: the media, like Dion and Dilfer, it must be awesome
Speaker 1: because I know the hours they put in. I did
Speaker 1: two UAB games this year and they got an unbelievable
Speaker 1: new stadium down there. I mean, it is you beautiful
Speaker 1: in Birmingham. They have good support of that program. Bill
Speaker 1: Clarke did an unbelievable job of building that program, and
Speaker 1: I thought Brian Vinson did a fine job this year.
Speaker 1: I understand them looking elsewhere, but that's an interesting hire,
Speaker 1: you know. I think Colorado offered Dion the job, But
Speaker 1: to Dion's credit, he's kind of paid his dues now
Speaker 1: with what he's done at Jackson State, and I think
Speaker 1: that would be a good hire. I think it is interesting.
Speaker 1: I think Dilford's what been a high school coach for
Speaker 1: a few years, PAULI. Yeah. And the exciting thing for
Speaker 1: us is fans, is that if Dilford does well at UAB,
Speaker 1: we could play this great, great clip from when he
Speaker 1: was on Sports Center about ten years ago. You cannot
Speaker 1: lose games in the NFL and still win. In fact,
Speaker 1: we can bring dust that one off. That is such
Speaker 1: a classic, classic statement. And you know what's interesting, I
Speaker 1: know what he was thinking, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: I know what was in his head when he said that,
Speaker 1: that is, you cannot lose games in the NFL and
Speaker 1: still win. Argue with that, what, um, what's this day
Speaker 1: in sports history today? How do you have todays history? Yeah,
Speaker 1: couple nineteen seventy one, ABC Air. The movie Brian Song
Speaker 1: is a TV movie about Chicago Bears running bick Brian Piccolo,
Speaker 1: who died of cancer, and his friendship with Gayale Sayers.
Speaker 1: Try watching that without crying. Let's see. The NFL ninety
Speaker 1: three awarded the league's thirtieth franchise to the Jacksonville Jaguars,
Speaker 1: and in the first Women's World Cup in Soccer USA,
Speaker 1: defeated Norway two to one nineteen ninety one, who was
Speaker 1: the thirty first team the same year as Jacksonville Carolina.
Speaker 1: That's correct. That's correct. By the way, how about this
Speaker 1: stat from our folks over at sport Radar. The Big
Speaker 1: Ten East is eight and o in championship game winning
Speaker 1: by an average of twenty points. Last four games have
Speaker 1: been decided by at least twelve points. Not real good
Speaker 1: guard day stat of the day, That beast stat of
Speaker 1: the day. Stat of the day here comes that? What
Speaker 1: stat of the day. I haven't heard that in a while.
Speaker 1: I like it? Yes, Eton, Can I update you on
Speaker 1: a poll question here that we put up earlier today? Yes? Please?
Speaker 1: Macaroni and cheese is best as your options? Wear a
Speaker 1: meal a side a condiment. I'm a fraud. People, pick side.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Yeah, over eighty percent of the vote have
Speaker 1: it as a side, and I think that you're just
Speaker 1: a little too progressive right now. The world isn't quite
Speaker 1: ready for macaroni and cheese as a condiment ahead of
Speaker 1: your time. That only got three percent of the vote.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: we need a better term for it. Like, what did
Speaker 1: you say, PAULI? An accompaniment? Yeah, accouterment, an accompaniment, maybe
Speaker 1: like a mixer. I feel like what's hurting us is
Speaker 1: the term condiment, and people thinking of like squeezing something
Speaker 1: out of a bob. So it's being hurt by a
Speaker 1: bad visual. This is all marketing, Yeah, don't it's don't
Speaker 1: play bad visual and it's a bad um verbiage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really an accompaniment. Yeah, don't play mac and cheese.
Speaker 1: Blame us. Listen, it's not a side. It's not that
Speaker 1: good as a side, you know how. I know it's
Speaker 1: not that good as a side because Seaton only Seaton
Speaker 1: only wants to take two or three bites of it
Speaker 1: then he's done. That's exactly why it's a perfect side. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's a perfect accompaniment. I know you only want two
Speaker 1: or three bites Seaton because it's too rich. Exactly, it's
Speaker 1: too much for you. Like I totally get that. But
Speaker 1: then when you mix it in with a protein like
Speaker 1: a ham or a burger or a brisket or pulled pork,
Speaker 1: then it's perfect and it's not too rich. They balanced
Speaker 1: each other out. So if you went to if you
Speaker 1: went to a place for lunch, right this show's over,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go grab lunch and on the menu they
Speaker 1: have a burger, or they have a burger with mac
Speaker 1: and cheese. You're gonna go mac and cheese on your burger? Yes,
Speaker 1: I am what? Wow? Yes I am. That's delicious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna eat a burger with nothing on it?
Speaker 1: But like just go like some cheese minus the mac cheese,
Speaker 1: or bacon and cheese, or a Friday egg bacon and cheese,
Speaker 1: or a Friday egg bacon, cheese and mac and cheese.
Speaker 1: Delicious fries. Pollie, I wish we had another hour. This
Speaker 1: is one of the bad things. It goes so fast.
Speaker 1: They got I want to know what we learned today.
Speaker 1: I learned you growing about ten minutes and where Krichan
Speaker 1: Pollisa grew up in Central Pennsylvania. How about that seton
Speaker 1: I learned we I don't know what the over under
Speaker 1: was on the ways to describe genitals, but we I
Speaker 1: think hit the over Marvin. The number was twelve. Oh nice,
Speaker 1: you gotta have a lot of cajones to play big
Speaker 1: time soccer. I learned how to pronounce Cohn as well.
Speaker 1: I've still got it wrong as well as I think
Speaker 1: how to pronounce the name of the country that the US.
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