Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, the tenth of October in London. This is
Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Daybreak Europe podcast. I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today,
Speaker 1: Israel unites. A fractured country comes together after a horrific
Speaker 1: attack that killed hundreds. Netanyahu says his country's response will
Speaker 1: reverberate with their enemies for generations as fears of mass
Speaker 1: civilian casualties grow, and will bring you the latest from
Speaker 1: the Labor Party conference in the UK, where Kirstahmer is
Speaker 1: set to warn that the country faces a difficult path
Speaker 1: to recovery. Let's start with a roundup of our top stories.
Speaker 1: More than nine hundred Israelis, mostly civilians, are now known
Speaker 1: to have died in Hamas's surprise attacks. At the weekend,
Speaker 1: nearly seven hundred Palestinians have been killed during retaliatory strikes.
Speaker 1: A survivor of the attack by Hamas on the Supernova
Speaker 1: festival in Israel says his escape was terrifying. Hi Cohen
Speaker 1: says he dodged bullets as he drove through a field
Speaker 1: with his girlfriend to get away from the violence. He
Speaker 1: described so of what he witnessed.
Speaker 2: We saw the chips in the motorcycles of Hamas pouching
Speaker 2: young children that they was under effect of trucks and alcohol.
Speaker 2: They just butchered.
Speaker 1: Them while Hai Con and his partner made it to safety.
Speaker 1: Israeli authorities are still trying to identify and remove the
Speaker 1: bodies of over two hundred and fifty people killed at
Speaker 1: the event. Many others have been taken hostage. A spokesman
Speaker 1: for Hamas told Al Jazeera that the Palestinian militant group
Speaker 1: is preparing to kill them should Israel strike civilian homes
Speaker 1: in Gaza without warning. Israel's army is now planning the
Speaker 1: largest mobilization in the country's history, calling up three hundred
Speaker 1: thousand reserve soldiers to fight. The Prime Minister benjaminettanie who
Speaker 1: says the response to Hamas has only started, willem.
Speaker 3: I know that we all want immediate results. It will
Speaker 3: take time, but I promise you, dear Israeli citizens, at
Speaker 3: the end of this campaign, all of our enemies will
Speaker 3: know there was a great mistake to attack Israel. What
Speaker 3: we will do to our enemies in the coming days
Speaker 3: will reverberate with them for generations.
Speaker 1: Netaniahu's comments come as the country's armed forces continue to
Speaker 1: launch airstrikes against the Gaza Strip. Israel's military often in
Speaker 1: struct civilians to evacuate before it hits apartment or office
Speaker 1: towers in Gaza where civilians might be present. Whoever, residents
Speaker 1: in Gaza now say buildings are being hit without warning.
Speaker 1: Of these six hundred and eighty seven people reported to
Speaker 1: have been killed in Gaza. The Health Ministry says one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty year children. Senior Hamas official Ari Baraka
Speaker 1: warned against an all out assault on the Palestinian territory Hola.
Speaker 3: Our allies are ready to join the fight. If Gaza
Speaker 3: subjected to a war of annihilation, they will not sit
Speaker 3: with their hands tied. The government of Israel knows they
Speaker 3: will open the gates of hell if they try to
Speaker 3: destroy Gaza and to use non traditional weapons to destroy Kaza,
Speaker 3: like American weapons.
Speaker 1: Ali Baraka's call for support comes as America's most senior
Speaker 1: military official, General Charles Q. Brown Junior, warned Iran to
Speaker 1: not get involved in the Israel Hamas conflict. Speaking to
Speaker 1: the Financial Times, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs
Speaker 1: of Staff said, we do know what do not want
Speaker 1: this to broaden, and the idea is for Iran to
Speaker 1: get that message loud and clear. Meanwhile, the US government
Speaker 1: says the first shipments of security aids to Israel or
Speaker 1: already on the way. Bloomberg's At Baxter has the story.
Speaker 4: There had been some question about what the US could do,
Speaker 4: but National Security Council spokesman John Kirby says it's important
Speaker 4: that the aid go now and more will be on
Speaker 4: the way soon. Meanwhile, Kirby on MSNBC says there is
Speaker 4: no known direct link between Iran and AMAS on the
Speaker 4: initial attacks.
Speaker 2: No, we do not.
Speaker 5: We don't have any specific intelligence or evidence that points
Speaker 5: to direct participation by Iran. That said, of course, Iran
Speaker 5: has long supported HAMAS and other terrorist networks, and.
Speaker 4: The President is set to me can address later today,
Speaker 4: Ed Baxter, Bloomberg Radio.
Speaker 1: Top Federal Reserve officials increasingly feel that another rate hike
Speaker 1: may not be needed after a recent surge in US
Speaker 1: borrowing costs. Speaking at the National Association for Business Economics
Speaker 1: conference in Dallas, Federal Reserve Vice chair Philip Jefferson said
Speaker 1: he's watching the increase in treasury yields closely.
Speaker 6: What I think about is the real rate that is
Speaker 6: required to bring aggregate supply back in to balance with
Speaker 6: aggregate demand. I think current policy is restrictive in putting
Speaker 6: downward pressure on the inflation rate, and that's really what
Speaker 6: my concern is.
Speaker 1: Jefferson went on to say that he will quote remain
Speaker 1: cognizant of the tightening and financial conditions through higher bond yields.
Speaker 1: His comments were echoed by Dallas FED President Laurie Logan,
Speaker 1: who also spoke yesterday, saying that elevated borrowing costs could
Speaker 1: do some of the work of cooling the economy for us.
Speaker 1: That's reflected in the markets, which believe there's only a
Speaker 1: twenty percent chance of a quarter point hike at the
Speaker 1: upcoming policy meeting. And here in the UK, the Labor
Speaker 1: Party leader Keir Starmer will today warn that the country
Speaker 1: faces a difficult path to recovery as he urges voters
Speaker 1: to put their trust in him and his party. Starmer
Speaker 1: will tell Labour's annual conference this afternoon that quote what
Speaker 1: is broken can be repaired, what is ruined can be rebuilt.
Speaker 1: The speech comes after the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer,
Speaker 1: Rachel Reeves, told Bloomberg's Lizzie Burden that Labor plans to
Speaker 1: fight the election on the economy.
Speaker 7: Went borrowing to fun day to day spending. We'll bring
Speaker 7: dick down as the share of our economy and then
Speaker 7: only subject to that, we will invest in the things
Speaker 7: that can boost our productivity. Work it in conjunction with
Speaker 7: business to unlock further private sector investment.
Speaker 1: Rachel Reeves also says Labor will use government borrowing to
Speaker 1: invest in British industry if it wins power. While popular
Speaker 1: with many, the move risks playing into the typical conservative
Speaker 1: of tax over the party's fiscal discipline. Well, let's bring
Speaker 1: you more now on the attacks in Israel, as we
Speaker 1: are joined by our head of Middle East and North Africa,
Speaker 1: Stuart Livingstone. Wallace is in Dubai and in London, OURMA
Speaker 1: News director Rosland mathieson Roz to you. First, we heard
Speaker 1: from an international point of view, the leaders of the US, Germany, France,
Speaker 1: Italy and the UK spoke last night about the situation
Speaker 1: in Israel. What came out of that call.
Speaker 8: Well, an initial statement of course, strongly supporting Israel and
Speaker 8: condemning her mass but not a lot more beyond that.
Speaker 8: For now, Europe is unlikely to want to get caught
Speaker 8: up in the military aspect of things. Is As very
Speaker 8: much a US ally and that's where the military ties lie.
Speaker 8: Of course, Europe is worried about their citizens. They're worried
Speaker 8: about what's happening inside Israel. They've lit up their parliamentary
Speaker 8: buildings and places like Germany and the UK, but there
Speaker 8: is that caution about sort of supplying military aid to
Speaker 8: Israel or getting involved militarily, and in some places there
Speaker 8: is a sense of empathy over the years for the
Speaker 8: challenges facing Palestinian people. That's not to say they endorse
Speaker 8: the actions taken on the weekend by Hamas at all,
Speaker 8: but it's not as clear cup for people some officials
Speaker 8: really in Europe as when Russia invaded Ukraine. So you
Speaker 8: see protests in these countries in Europe both supporting Israel
Speaker 8: and supporting those advocating for a separate Palestinian state. So
Speaker 8: you are seeing that general statement of support overnight from Israel,
Speaker 8: but it's a little bit more complicated than say the
Speaker 8: immediate aftermath of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Speaker 1: And that played out as well at an EU level yesterday,
Speaker 1: where there was announcement from the European Commission that aide
Speaker 1: two Palestinians had been suspended. Now that was subsequently reversed.
Speaker 1: EU foreign ministers are meeting today and say they'll be
Speaker 1: reviewing humanitarian aid. Talk us through what happened in the EU.
Speaker 8: Well, that's right, we got that announcement it was going
Speaker 8: to be suspended, and then late last night the idea no,
Speaker 8: it's actually going to be reviewed but not suspended, and
Speaker 8: they will discuss that today. It came after the UN
Speaker 8: Secretary General Antonio Guteris, he spoke with his European Council
Speaker 8: President counterpart Charles Michelle, and said, hang on, this is
Speaker 8: humanitarian aid that Europe provides. It's aid aimed at supporting
Speaker 8: Palestinians who reject Hamas and in this situation we're seeing,
Speaker 8: for example in the Gaza strip right now, that the
Speaker 8: living conditions for people there for quite some time have
Speaker 8: been poor and the aim of this is to reach
Speaker 8: those people and to support them, regardless of their political affiliation.
Speaker 8: In some states so they weren't consulted on the initial decision,
Speaker 8: including Spain and Ireland, and so what you saw was
Speaker 8: this late night reversed and at least now an idea.
Speaker 8: It's not going to be suspended.
Speaker 9: It will be discussed today what more.
Speaker 1: Have we heard from the United States? RA was about
Speaker 1: the aid that they're providing to Israel.
Speaker 8: Well, this is also a bit complicated because of domestic politics.
Speaker 8: Right now in the US there is no House speaker
Speaker 8: and they've got to sort that out so the business
Speaker 8: of the House can resume. Of course, the Biden administration
Speaker 8: could do some munilateral announcements around aid military a but
Speaker 8: they've been a bit cautious there. Also, mean, the US
Speaker 8: provides already more than three billion dollars in military aid
Speaker 8: to Israel every year. They've said they're going to support
Speaker 8: Israel in whatever way is needed, that sort of diplomatic support,
Speaker 8: strategic support, and possibly further military support, but we haven't
Speaker 8: really heard a lot of specifics about that so far.
Speaker 8: And of course Israel is a well equipped military, but
Speaker 8: also that soldiers already seemingly running short on kit according
Speaker 8: to some reports, and so you're going to see this
Speaker 8: possibly get caught up a bit also in the wash
Speaker 8: of US domestic politics.
Speaker 1: Okay, Ras, and stay with us. We're going to turn
Speaker 1: to Stuart Livingston Wallace now who joins US from Dubai,
Speaker 1: a head of Middle East and North Africa. S Jude
Speaker 1: I wonder if we could start by just updating us
Speaker 1: on the security situation in southern Israel this morning and
Speaker 1: the efforts that are being made to secure the release
Speaker 1: of the hostages being held in Gaza.
Speaker 9: Yeah, good morning. So it's still things are still a
Speaker 9: little bit murky. We know that they have regained full
Speaker 9: control over certainly the majority of areas that we're infiltrated
Speaker 9: on Saturday and into Sunday, but I think there is
Speaker 9: still a concern that there are how much medicines knocking
Speaker 9: around somewhere inside its rail there's no great certainty with that.
Speaker 9: The regular ideas that of the Israel Defense Forces briefing
Speaker 9: kicked off about ten minutes ago, so we'll know what
Speaker 9: the latest situation is, hopefully in detail in about ten
Speaker 9: minutes from now. To the north. Again, we've had a
Speaker 9: few incidents, but nothing serious. On the border with Lebanon,
Speaker 9: We've have some rockets fired over a rather mortified over
Speaker 9: and some retaliatory responses there. We did have some infiltration,
Speaker 9: but again it was characterized as relatively low level and
Speaker 9: seemed to be locked up relatively quickly. So for as
Speaker 9: things stand right now, at least on the ground, things
Speaker 9: appear to be getting better in terms of regaining control,
Speaker 9: but as you know, there is a long way to
Speaker 9: go in this conflict. In terms of the hostages, we
Speaker 9: know that castAR has been trying to broak of some
Speaker 9: sort of deal since Saturday. Really not clear if they're
Speaker 9: getting anywhere, and I think anyone everyone would be very
Speaker 9: surprised if that was resolved soon. We think, based on
Speaker 9: comments from the US government yesterday, that there are Americans involved,
Speaker 9: but again no one quite knows the number in total.
Speaker 9: You know, We've been hearing all sorts of numbers. It's
Speaker 9: probably more than one hundred, but it could be a
Speaker 9: greater more than that. So in terms of where we
Speaker 9: go next on that, again we know the FBI is
Speaker 9: involved in helping out the regular authorities and figuring out
Speaker 9: how many there are and where they are and what
Speaker 9: they can do about it. But again, rather like the
Speaker 9: situation on the ground, things remain quite murky.
Speaker 1: We have, of course seen this series of airstrikes taking
Speaker 1: place in Gaza. I wonder what more you can tell
Speaker 1: us about what we know about what Israel as preparing
Speaker 1: to do next in its response to these attacks.
Speaker 9: Well, so far we've not had clarity. I mean As
Speaker 9: things stand, we continue to get attacks from both the
Speaker 9: land and the se into Gaza. The death toll in
Speaker 9: Gaza is into the several hundred now, and broadly speaking,
Speaker 9: again this from the Israeli side, they're going after what
Speaker 9: they considered to be military assets. Of that is tunnel,
Speaker 9: that is, houses where they say hamas meat, that's even
Speaker 9: includes moss that again the Israelis say Hamas are using
Speaker 9: for operational purposes. But we know they've targeted residential buildings
Speaker 9: as well on the grounds as they portrayed as being
Speaker 9: places where Hammas are operating from. Clearly, everyone is watching
Speaker 9: and waiting to see whether you're going to have troops
Speaker 9: on the ground, Israeli troops on the grounds in Gaza.
Speaker 9: The Israelis themselves have said nothing definitive on that so far.
Speaker 9: We had Ron Berber on yesterday. Now he's one of
Speaker 9: Netna's closest allies in the Kabinet, and we asked him
Speaker 9: that question specifically, and again he was very careful not
Speaker 9: to give anything beyond what Netna himself has said. But
Speaker 9: obviously the rhetoric coming from Israeli government has been pretty strong,
Speaker 9: but we've had no specifics yes on what that might
Speaker 9: be or when might have.
Speaker 1: We've been watching very closely the commentary around Iran's role,
Speaker 1: whether or not it supported or helped Hamas prepare for
Speaker 1: these attacks. What more have we heard about the role
Speaker 1: of Iran in.
Speaker 9: This, Well, everyone's being very cautious. I mean, I think
Speaker 9: the furthest that anyone's gone is probably Ron Bermerin saying
Speaker 9: something along the lines of initially we didn't think that
Speaker 9: they were directly involved. He then said, now there's some
Speaker 9: evidence that they might have known about, but that they
Speaker 9: were still working to verify that evidence. But again there's
Speaker 9: a wide gulf between perhaps being aware of it in
Speaker 9: advance and being actively involved in planning and the operational
Speaker 9: side of it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 9: Similarly, the US has been repeated and the arsked did
Speaker 9: we have any evidence that they were directly involved? And
Speaker 9: again we had the National Security Council spokesman John Kirby
Speaker 9: yesterday saying that there wasn't any specific intelligence or evidence
Speaker 9: that points the direct participation in Iran and the attacks
Speaker 9: against Israel. So for now, I think the general view
Speaker 9: is that there is no evidence for it. But again,
Speaker 9: there is a long history there of Iran providing support
Speaker 9: to how mass that. The question now is where they
Speaker 9: directly involved? Did they know about it? Do they not
Speaker 9: know about it at all? And I think that's what
Speaker 9: everyone's trying to figure out right now.
Speaker 1: Ros and Madsen turning back to you, what have we
Speaker 1: heard from other international powers in this as well? We've
Speaker 1: been watching the US Senate leader Chuck Schumer meeting China's
Speaker 1: president she yesterday.
Speaker 8: Well, so it's been fd quiet from countries like Russia
Speaker 8: and China. China's expressed sadness of what has happened and
Speaker 8: called for KHM, but it's not condemned Hamas. And so
Speaker 8: there was that criticism there, Yester, that you mentioned from
Speaker 8: Chuck Schuma. But China's response is hardly surprising. It's in
Speaker 8: line with its general approach not to be drawn into
Speaker 8: conflicts like this. On Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it said
Speaker 8: similar things but didn't really condemn Russia throughout calling for
Speaker 8: ceasefires and the like. And of course China is quick
Speaker 8: to spott an opportunity to try and drive a wage
Speaker 8: between other nations, particularly between the US and other nations,
Speaker 8: and exploit them. And you know in Ukraine there was
Speaker 8: a case of nations who didn't want that war to
Speaker 8: carry on. So it's a bit more complex so for
Speaker 8: countries as they may not feel it's as clear cut
Speaker 8: as Russia going into Ukraine. But the moment what we're
Speaker 8: seeing is like Russia China perhaps sitting on the sidelines
Speaker 8: watching developments but not wanting to get directly.
Speaker 1: Pulled in own news director Razlin Matheson and are Head
Speaker 1: of Middle Eastern North Africa Sture at Livingston Wallace. Thank you,
Speaker 1: boot to you both for joining us with the later
Speaker 1: on this story. Turning to politics here in the UK,
Speaker 1: Keir Starmer will tell us Parties Conference of the UK
Speaker 1: faces a difficult path to recovery as he urges voters
Speaker 1: to trust Labor to rebuild the UK after thirteen years
Speaker 1: of Conservative rule. His keynote speech is the main event
Speaker 1: at the conference at Liverpool today and carln Hepker is
Speaker 1: live there for us this morning.
Speaker 10: Carlin, good morning, very good morning to Stephen. Let's start
Speaker 10: with the day yesterday, shall we hear at Labour conference.
Speaker 10: It was a hugely ambitious day. Rachel Reeves received a
Speaker 10: hero's welcome and delivered a very persuasive speech. She has
Speaker 10: claimed the Tories usual stomping ground of the economy ahead
Speaker 10: of an election that Labour says they are preparing for
Speaker 10: as early as next May. Labor gave a clear response
Speaker 10: to the Hammus attacks in Israel, which could have been
Speaker 10: derailed by the previous leadership who were here yesterday in Liverpool.
Speaker 10: Now those you say, Stephen, the party waits Kirs Starmer's speech,
Speaker 10: in which he's expected to say that what is broken
Speaker 10: can be repaired, what is ruined can be rebuilt. So
Speaker 10: the former Bank of England economist Rachel Reeves described the
Speaker 10: mini budget last year from the Conservatives as devastation and
Speaker 10: voters trust in the toy's handling of the economy has
Speaker 10: more than half since March twenty twenty, according to a
Speaker 10: Yugov poll. So Addressing a packed hall, Reeves talked about
Speaker 10: boosting investment, increasing house building by easing the planning rules,
Speaker 10: scrapping non dom tax breaks, rebuilding infrastructure, including the electricity grid,
Speaker 10: all to spur desperately needed economic growth in the UK.
Speaker 10: The reception that she got from investors in business was
Speaker 10: positive and it is really notable that they are here
Speaker 10: in Liverpool in numbers not seen previously and that they
Speaker 10: are listening so attentively. So here is the Shadow Chancellor,
Speaker 10: Rachel Reeves.
Speaker 7: In the two and a half years that I've been
Speaker 7: Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer reached out to business and
Speaker 7: I think you can see that in the speech that
Speaker 7: I delivered today where I set out that the lifeblood
Speaker 7: of any successful economy is private business investment. And the
Speaker 7: plans that I set out, whether that is a form
Speaker 7: of the planning system, the stability that we need to
Speaker 7: underpin and provide the foundation of a successful economy, are
Speaker 7: all ideas that have been generated in conjunction with business,
Speaker 7: because we do need to get Britain building, and that
Speaker 7: means giving business the confidence to invest, but also giving
Speaker 7: them a reason to invest here in Britain. And that's
Speaker 7: why I hope I did it conference today.
Speaker 11: Lots of them are non doms, and if you abolish
Speaker 11: the non dom regime but it doesn't raise as much
Speaker 11: money as you expect, are you still going to stick
Speaker 11: by it on ideological grounds.
Speaker 7: We've got a loophole in our tax system whereby you
Speaker 7: can live in Britain and Major Britain your home, but
Speaker 7: because your father was born somewhere else, you can pay
Speaker 7: tax in a different jurisdiction. There's outdated and it's not
Speaker 7: right and Labor will abolish it and we will use
Speaker 7: that money to put into our national health service and
Speaker 7: for breakfast clubs are all primary schools. But we've worked
Speaker 7: closely with businesses and investors to make sure that we
Speaker 7: do not deter foreign investment. We're determined to get that
Speaker 7: investment here in Britain, but that tax loophole will end
Speaker 7: with a Labor government.
Speaker 11: And you're a former Bank of England economist, you know
Speaker 11: the law of unintended consequences. If the money isn't raised
Speaker 11: as you expect, would you revive the measure under a
Speaker 11: different name.
Speaker 7: Well, if you look at what Gordon Brown died with
Speaker 7: George Osborne's reforms for non don's a lot of people
Speaker 7: said it won't raise the money, people will go and
Speaker 7: live elsewhere. That didn't happen. And what did happen was
Speaker 7: the tax review came in and we've got public services
Speaker 7: in Britain today that are on their knees. We've got
Speaker 7: seven point seven million people on hospital waiting this. We
Speaker 7: can't go on like this and that's why we are
Speaker 7: taking this straightforward measure bringing us into line with countries
Speaker 7: around the world that don't have these loopholes, and ensuring
Speaker 7: that if you make Britain your home, you pay your
Speaker 7: taxes here, and putting that money where it belongs in
Speaker 7: our national health service.
Speaker 11: So you promise you'll be cautious about borrowing to invest,
Speaker 11: But we've got debt at ninety nine percent of GDP already,
Speaker 11: yields are high. The reality is we just don't know
Speaker 11: how the market's going to react to borrowing even more.
Speaker 7: Idea, Well, I set out the fiscal rules that I
Speaker 7: would stick to with iron discipline, and I got support
Speaker 7: from conference again in setting out those rules where won't
Speaker 7: borrow to fun day to day spending. We'll bring debt
Speaker 7: down as the share of our economy, and then only
Speaker 7: subject to that, we will invest in the things that
Speaker 7: can boost our productivity, working in conjunction with business to
Speaker 7: unlock further private sector investment. So today, for example, I
Speaker 7: set out how a new National Wealth Fund you will
Speaker 7: be targeted for every pound that we invest that it
Speaker 7: unlocks three pounds of private sector investment. That is partnership
Speaker 7: between government and business in action you're seeing around the world.
Speaker 7: It is unlocking investment around the world. I want those jobs.
Speaker 7: I want that investment in Britain and with labor we.
Speaker 11: Will and shout out, Chancellor, none of your colleagues will
Speaker 11: tell me how fast after the general election you plan
Speaker 11: to have the fastest growth in the G seven. Isn't
Speaker 11: that a meaningless mission without a time frame.
Speaker 7: In the next parliament. We want to achieve that mission
Speaker 7: of having the highest sustained growth in the G seven,
Speaker 7: with good jobs and productivity in all parts of the country,
Speaker 7: making everyone not just a few better off. And today
Speaker 7: at conference and tomorrow in Keir Starmer's speech, we will
Speaker 7: set out we have set out today exactly how we're
Speaker 7: going to achieve that.
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