WEBVTT - The Day Without Immigrants Protests with UN Speaker Ritzy P (Part 2) 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.280 Keep on riding with U says, we continue to broadcast 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:04.280 the balance and defend the discourse from the hip hop 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:04.920 Weekly Studios. 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:06.960 Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I'm your host, Rams's Jah. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:09.360 He is Rams's Jah, I am q ward. You are 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:10.680 tuned into Civic Side. 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:14.000 For Indeed and Marissa A. Strata Rivera, also known as ritzyp. 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.400 That's how I know her. She is a un speaker, 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.640 first generation Mexican American activist and host of Word to 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:21.840 Ya Mama, the podcast that amplifies the verse, voices and 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.640 celebrates shared experiences. She's also the co host of the 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.560 get Down podcast, which covers policy and industry trends in 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.320 D five, Web three, and emerging tech affecting Black, Latino 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:31.680 and Indigenous communities. 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:33.600 And she is joining us today for. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.360 This part of the program where we will be discussing 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.680 the protests around the country. To be fair, there was 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:42.360 a lot that we didn't get to the first part 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.920 of the show. I suspect the same will be true 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:46.240 the second part of the show. The show is always 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.519 too short, but I am really excited to learn and 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.600 get some insight into ways that we can be supportive 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.480 of a community under duress. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.560 In this moment and just show up as brothers like 0:00:58.600 --> 0:00:59.120 we always do. 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.080 But before we get there, it's time to be aba, 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:02.360 become a better ally Baba. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.720 And today's Baba comes from USA. Today. 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.840 Sunday Nights Grammys proved that music and art are political. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.319 After accepting their Grammy wins, Shakira Chappelle, Ron Lady Gaga, 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.720 and Bruno mar spoke out for the trans community, immigrants, 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.200 and up and coming artists in the industry. During her 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.959 speech after winning Best Latin Pop Album, Shakure Kakira reached 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:27.120 out to her immigrant brothers and sisters. The Colombian singer continued, quote, 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.760 you are loved and worth it, and I'll fight with you. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.160 Later in the telecast, Gaga accepted her award with Mars 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.520 for the Best Pop Duo Performance, saying simply quote, trans 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.160 people are not invisible. They deserve to be lifted up. 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.960 Music is love in the second part. You want to 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:43.119 get that from the La Times. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.840 From the La Times. Dwayne Wade and Gabrielle Union use 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:50.440 their platform at this year's NAACP Image Awards to advocate 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:55.320 for the black LGBTQ community and praise their transgender daughter 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.840 Zaiah for her bravery. After accepting the President's Awards Saturday 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.280 at the Civic Auditorium, Sadina, the former pro basketball player 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.840 and the Truth be Told actor, developed a passionate, rousing speech. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:06.760 I'm sorry. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.600 Delivered a passionate, rousing speech that was widely lauded on 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.960 social media. Wade began the speech by directly addressing his 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.920 daughter and Union Wade's stepdaughter, Zaia, who came out as 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.920 trans in twenty twenty. After the NBA star credit at 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.799 Zire for making him a better human by being who 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:28.160 she was born to be. Union Wade spoke fervently about 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:34.000 the struggles and rights of the black LGBTQ community. At 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.960 some point, we will all realize that our oppressor is 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.720 the same and that we have far more in common 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.480 than what divides us, and we will be so much 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:47.480 stronger because of it. I'm praying for those days, Am. 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.919 My patience has worn thin as I watched the oppressor 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:56.120 continue their movement forward with no resistance. I'm looking to 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:57.800 my left and right and hoping we can figure it 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:58.200 out soon. 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:07.200 Well said, Okay, a day without immigrants, we're going to 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:16.640 be talking about the ice raid protests and yeah, to 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.239 hear the stories from these was really tough. As I mentioned, 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.359 you know, Q and I, we are able to have 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.360 some conversations on the Black Information Network. One of the 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:30.880 things that we when the conversations we had prior to 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:36.240 you know, joining the b I in was letting them 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:40.320 know that, you know, this is who we are. We 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.040 we work in the ally ship space and when it 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.680 makes sense, we do our best to find ways to 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:50.640 build bridges rather than ways to tear them down and 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.240 to become an island unto ourselves. And fortunately the powers 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.280 that be were really supportive of that. So we've indeed 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.040 had conversations already about this, but this is our first 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:03.240 time having this conversation with someone who can provide a 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.600 little bit more direct insight into what it might feel like. 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.119 In those communities. So again, Ritzie, thank you for hanging 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:09.480 out with us. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.240 I'm going to start us off by sharing a bit 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.000 from Newsweek, just to get folks that aren't familiar caught 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:14.760 up to speed. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:16.800 Again from Newsweek. 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.520 Protests have erupted around the country over the past weekend 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.040 in response to President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown, which includes 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:28.000 mass deportations and sweeping raids targeting illegal immigrants. The Trump 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.360 administration has vowed to conduct the largest mass deportation operation 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:35.360 in US history, targeting the estimated eleven point seven million 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.680 people who are in the country without legal status. As 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.040 a Trump administration moves forward with its hardline immigration agenda, 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.479 immigration advocates across the country are mobilizing to protest and 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:50.400 protect immigrant communities from potential raids and deportations. While immigrant 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.839 rights advocates have been hosting workshops and sharing legal advice 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.679 on social media with communities about knowing their rights, Locals 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.520 have begun organizing protests around the US. 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.840 Over the weekend. This would be last weekend. 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.120 Of course, ice raids and deportations are expected to continue 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:09.080 under Trump's administration as immigrant communities, local governments, and advocacy 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.320 groups brace for the impact of the president's crackdown. Protests 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:16.280 across the country are also expected to continue. Now, before 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.040 I let you go, Ritzy, I want to say a 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.880 couple of things when it comes to protests. That's kind 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.320 of my joint. I like protests. I like to get 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.039 outside and get busy. I stay with the bullhorn, I 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.680 bring my children out there. It's all I like that energy. 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:30.760 You know what I'm saying. We don't just be in 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.039 a student. We'll be outside with it, and when it 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.760 gets tense, I'm there on the front lines. 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:36.080 Right. 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:38.960 The other thing I do want to say too, is 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.880 that part of the reason for this, because you know, 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.159 we've had people, you know, say things in the comments 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.320 on our social media, which I don't read, but you know, 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:49.480 sometimes every so often something we peak through, and there 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.680 are a lot of people who will say things like, well, hey, 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.800 this is necessary. Hey, there are certain people that need 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:56.480 to do this the right way. Hey, blah blah blah. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:00.600 And I think that there's certainly nuanced there. But one 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:01.880 of the things that a lot of people don't know, 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.360 especially people that don't live in border states, is that 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:09.520 doing things the right way is what everybody wants. Everybody 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.960 wants to do things the right way, and oftentimes when 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.320 things aren't done the right way according to what you 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.520 deem the right way to be is. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.839 When they don't do it according to that way. There's 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.000 a reason for that, And. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.520 I think that it's really easy to miss that when 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.960 you paint everyone with a broad stroke and you lose 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.600 sight of their humanity. So when you see these roundups, 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.240 when you see these people in the parking, lots of 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.440 home depot when you see like I live. I've been 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:43.640 in Mexico one hundred times. I know people who are 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:48.279 from Mexico. My children are Mexican. This is not a 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.480 game for Ramses, This is not a game for Q. 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.200 This is real. We actually live here. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:55.880 In this And for all those of you around the 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.520 country who don't know better, we appreciate you giving us 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.960 the opportunity to give you some insight. Don't lose sight 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.039 of these people's humanity. They're human beings. They are your 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.400 brothers and sisters. They're the same as you. They're homo 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.560 sapien sapiens. Okay, right, and the conversation we're about to have, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.200 I think makes that clear. Just like we were talking 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.120 about trans people. Say what you will about trans folks, 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.880 they are human beings and when you lose sight of 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.080 their humanity, it allows hate and fear to creep in, 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.440 and that's not the right way to approach this. Okay, 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:26.280 first question, Ritzy, Sorry, I had to get. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.160 That off it. 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.440 Do us a favor, you know, I did my best, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.840 but I'm not well. I got a little bit of Cuban, 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.000 you know what I mean. But I live the life 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.400 of a black man in the United States of America. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.560 And so, you know, so I would not profess to speak. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.280 In such a way that approaches this question, but give 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.240 us some insight into how this is being processed in 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:57.160 Latino communities, because it could be what I think, a 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.200 lot of concern, but it also could be relief that 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.360 you know, let's be there were a lot of Latinos 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.880 that voted for this towards this end. But you know, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.560 I know you can't speak for everyone, but just as 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.040 an individual portal, give us some insight. 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.240 Yeah, for sure, I can only speak for myself and 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.760 for the communities that I'm a part of, and I'm 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:18.040 part of a lot of communities. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:26.920 But to see the protest, it was powerful. 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:31.720 It was beautiful scene because Latinos were not a monolig 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.000 and we're not all from Mexico. We're from so many 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.959 different countries. So to see the videos and the photos 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:42.480 of different flags, people standing next to each other unity, 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:48.000 it kind of you know, being first gen and my 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.679 mom passed away thirty years ago. But for those of 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.080 us that are immigrants, ourselves that are first gen, that 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:58.600 all of us have someone that is an immigrant, whether 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.080 they're undocumented, or not we know someone, it impacts us 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.040 and it packs our community. It lets us know that 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.120 you're not like, we're not alone, that people see us right, 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.520 and whether you're first gen, fifth gen, it's a reminder 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.360 of our history and our roots. I think a lot 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.680 of us are just kind of going day by day 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:22.640 trying to be you know, consumers and trying to build businesses. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.880 But we have to remember this is a. 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.240 Call to action to roll up our sleeves and fight 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.920 and advocate for our communities because some of us forget right, 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.400 especially those that voted a certain way, because proximity whiteness 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.920 is one hell of a drug, so you know. And 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.120 I also want to point out that activism can look 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.960 differently for different people. Right back in the days I 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.120 was on the front lines, I was doing that stuff, 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.520 but it can evolve in where your life is at. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.800 And I want people to understand that just because you 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.760 weren't out there physically on the streets, you can support 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:00.680 another ways by amplifying this because we're and suppressed on 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:05.800 social media and by media. So I feel like it's 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.400 a call to action, it's a show of support, and 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.800 it's a beautiful thing. Of course, there's concern, But I 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.200 think a lot of people think, like, oh, you know, there, 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:18.560 we've been worried about this. It's just a spotlight on 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.760 it now, and it's maybe, you know, accelerateed a little bit. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.480 But the mass deportations and deportations, ice rays and stuff 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.440 is every day life for a lot of us in 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.640 our community. And I can't speak for everyone, but this 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.400 is what I've seen and what I've experienced. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:40.560 Typically, when protests involve non white people or the calls 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.520 for the process for the protests, I'm sorry. It's something 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:49.320 that involves marginalized communities and standing up for them. We've 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.160 seen in news and in mass media. Part of how 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.480 Rams and I ended up doing Civic Cipher was that 0:10:55.520 --> 0:11:01.439 mainstream media likes to call all protests of that type riots. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.680 They like to paint them as violent and try to 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:10.360 paint those who participate as criminal. What would you say 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:15.520 to those who blindly call all of our protests violent 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.880 or riots or try to paint them in that very negative, 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:19.160 intentionally pejorative light. 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.320 I like that you say that, and to really make 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:28.680 the distinction, because historically, marginized communities have had all but 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.559 negative representation and media regardless. And then you point this out, 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.080 they call them riots when they're peaceful protests, right, So 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:41.319 media changes the narrative and they're out to vilify us, 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.560 right because then they can say and it fits into 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:48.720 their narrative of what they're trying to spread, so that 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.840 people are like, yeah, you know, and join their cause. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.000 And when they show anything that happens, people don't understand 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.760 that it might have been an isolated incident, but that 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.360 for the most part, these are you know, peaceful protests, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.120 and sometimes it's not peaceful, and we have to do 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.560 certain things like that, right, And that's why it's important 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.960 for people on the ground to document so that you know, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.839 we know exactly what happened. And so protests to those 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.880 people that say it's anti American and it's violent, protests 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.920 are core of American history, right. I mean, if you 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:23.720 look at the First Amendment, I looked it up to 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.240 make sure that I wrote it so that I repeated 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:31.160 this specific part of the First Amendment. Peacefully assemble and 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:35.960 to petition government for a redress of grievances. And so 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:42.199 from civil rights to voters' rights to workers' rights, protests 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:49.000 have historically been powerful tools to correct systematic wrongs. Why 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.680 are we out on the streets. Why do we have 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.200 to resort to that because we tried the appropriate channels 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.800 and nothing happened. So yeah, I think it's the most 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:58.840 American thing ever. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:06.600 You know, I'm going to share again back in twenty twenty, 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.599 and I didn't forget that we're you know, we're in Arizona, Q. 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.240 And I were out there on the protests, and you know, 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.320 Arizona's there's not a lot of black folks. It's not 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.640 like a place like Atlanta, Louisiana. It's not like that. 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:23.560 It's not Jacksonville's. You know, Arizona the population is way 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.000 less black folks. But the crowds were enormous and a 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:31.200 lot of those crowds were white folks. A lot of 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:35.640 those crowds were Mexican folks, you know, and everyone showed 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.200 up to support us. And so now that things have evolved, 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.199 I'm kind of seeing some patterns and far be from 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.560 me to not show up when they showed up for us, right, 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.679 we saw I saw Ramses this is me. I saw 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.720 people that were identified as police, like because you know, 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.200 I was in with the organizers, they knew me from 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.600 the radiotor like, hey, you stay over here, blah blah blah, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.680 stay away from that side. We think that that group 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.400 over there is we think that they're police. They show 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.800 up and they just kind of observe, they don't really participate. 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:15.160 Cool later on, I see those same people throwing rocks 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.360 or something, breaking glass. No one else is doing that. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.360 Now these people have shown up every time, haven't done anything, 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:22.560 and now they're setting it off. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:22.760 Now. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.640 Of course I can't confirm that I didn't ask those 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.680 people for their badge number or anything like that, but 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.200 I strongly suspect because they didn't fit in there and 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.200 they look like police officers, that that's what they were. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.040 So I do want to say that there's that component 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.560 to it as well. But if we're addressing this head on, 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.720 I think it was doctor King that said a riot 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.440 is the language of the unheard, and I think that 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.560 that is something worth bearing in mind, not that people 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:50.040 need to go. 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:54.280 Out and riot. I personally, I'm not so mad at riots. 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.760 I think every so often you need a good riot do. 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.240 You get things moving along. But that's just ramses, that's 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:00.800 not the show. That's not ritchy. 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.040 But anyway, that's not cute as laughable. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.040 But but proceed. 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.080 Okay, okay, well, can I bring up one quick point 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:10.800 just to that really quick? I want to know your 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:15.960 thoughts in another administration and another time, I'm down with that. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.440 What do you guys think about what people are saying 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:22.440 is that they're waiting for they're waiting for that for 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.680 Marshall to be like, oh, let's put the you know 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:26.360 what do we think about that? 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:26.880 Yes? 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.880 Well what I what I think is that they call 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:34.240 it riot so that it could be seen by those 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.480 who consume media. The way that they give it to 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.920 them as negative and like you say, painted as anti American, 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.440 paint us as criminals and make us the bad guy 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:47.680 in the story present. At these organized protests, we have 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:51.480 our children there. It is mostly not violent. We can't 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.600 say comprehensively there's no violence because we're not everywhere at once, 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.040 but we've been to enough of these protests to know 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.960 that they're mostly not violent. In cases that they become 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:05.360 that way, that violence is incited and instigated by law enforcement. 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.040 The way that they show up for us to protest 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.720 is not just prepared for violence, but looking to start it, 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:18.280 Whereas we saw when large groups of white protesters show 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:22.480 up for causes that are actually anti American, that are 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.200 flying a flag that we fought a war against and 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.560 won on this soil. And the police are very peaceful. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.000 They're to the side, they're out of the way, they 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.360 don't have on riot gear, they're not blocking their path, 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.440 they're not instigating violence with them. So they find a 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:40.200 way to conveniently make all of the visuals to all 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.480 of the optics and all of the narratives paint us 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.000 as bad people so they can justify the mistreatment. See, 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.400 those people are violence, see that those people are more 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.760 prone to violence and criminal activity, and blah blah blah, 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.440 so that people who treat us like crap can sleep 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.720 at night, so they can have a clear conscience, so 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.080 they can point and say, look at those bad people 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:04.119 who are It's like they think there's nothing else that 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:04.680 we're good for. 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:06.879 Yeah. Right, And because people. 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.760 Have made up their minds ahead of time that we're 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.040 that way, they get the point and say, see. 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.560 We told they get the public narrative. If we do 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.160 it does devolve into a riot. Yeah, So that's that's 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:16.920 that's one, And. 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.639 It almost never does that. That's the point that I'm 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:23.320 trying to make. These are almost always peaceful protests. They 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.960 paint us as violent rioters so they can justify treating 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:26.560 us like crap. 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.200 And or when it does happen that way, it's usually 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.639 individual actors who weren't there at the beginning, because you 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:35.920 get clear instructions, Hey, we're here peacefully. You know we've 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:37.960 ben went off for these Like you said, we're here peacefully. 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:39.800 This is what we're gonna do. We're gonna walk this way, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.639 we're gonna go this way. Everyone stay together, make sure 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.520 you got a buddy. Whatever, it would be peaceful. And 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.000 if something crazy happened, it's somebody that wasn't there at 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.280 the beginning, or somebody with us, right, But anyway, go ahead. 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:51.119 I know you wanted to jump in. 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.080 No, no, no, I was just gonna say that, Like 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:55.800 everything that you guys said is just there. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:57.720 There's people. I believe what you said. 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.840 There's definitely people that want to instigate and evoke so 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.479 they can capture those you know, little clickbake moments. They 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.200 can get that footage and say like, see this fits 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.960 in our narrative, So you know, they are less than 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.600 you know that, I think that's the full narrative. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:12.520 There are less than. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:17.600 How about this to people that say, well, clearly there's 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.520 an immigration problem, Clearly something needs to be done, blah 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:25.879 blah blah. In your estimation, what do you think would 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.479 be I know, I know this is a lot, especially 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.040 for the amount of time that we have left. But 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.280 what would you if you had a magic wand what 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:37.360 would you like to see done about immigration to make 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.080 sure that everybody is I don't know, better off than 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:41.400 they are today. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.160 Yeah, that's that definitely is a loaded question. 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.560 I mean because when you think about I don't think 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:48.639 it's a I don't think it's a problem. And I think, really, 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:53.119 maybe it's more of an immigration system problem. Yeah, you know, 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:57.720 I feel like maybe there's not enough streamline humane processes 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.480 for people that live and you know, build commun unities 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:05.080 here in a pathway for citizenship maybe right. And when 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.359 they say it's a problem, I think immigrants is what 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:13.000 makes this what really makes America great, and they contribute 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:17.880 to the economy and the culture innovation of the United States. 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.040 And I wanted to you know, I know that your 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.560 show is for our community, but also a lot of allies, 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.760 and I want to bring stats. You know, people love stats, 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.560 that's something they can look up and so According to 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.479 the American Immigration Council data analysts, back in twenty twenty two, 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.479 thirty five point one billion dollars in taxes were paid 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:42.080 by undocumented households, by undocumented people, stuff that they're not 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:43.960 going to be able to benefit from. 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.800 But that went into that's such an important thing to 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.840 point out, sis yea, that they pay into the GDP, 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.640 they contribute and benefit nothing from it. They don't get 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.040 social Security, they don't get food steps, they don't get 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.359 any of the social things that are constructed into the 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.040 use of that. Honey, they don't benefit from it, and 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.439 we pretend like they're taking when they're doing jobs nobody 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.560 wants for wages no one else would work for. It's 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.960 a really it's beyond insulting men. I forgive me for 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:12.359 getting frustrated just at the idea. 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.280 No, yes, I appreciate that, And that's that's the type 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.960 of information that we need to spread. That's the you know, 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:22.600 because I think just really quickly, I feel like there's 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.560 an awakning a shift and on if you guys feel it, 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.600 I see I see our allies out there that are 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:28.040 being like. 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.480 What the government did this to us too? 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.479 Like they're being you know, they're they're starting to realize 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.040 things that we've known since the beginning that it's racism, 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.480 you know, and and they're seeing how they're also it's 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.520 really it's not really left against right, it's really up 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:43.359 against down. I saw someone posts and I was like, 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.080 that's exactly it. It's the rich against the poor. So if 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:49.760 we think about these numbers and how they contribute and 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.160 they help with you know, public schools, food stamps, healthcare, 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:57.200