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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I'm your host, Rams's Jah.
Speaker 3: He is Rams's Jah, I am q ward. You are
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Speaker 1: For Indeed and Marissa A. Strata Rivera, also known as ritzyp.
Speaker 1: That's how I know her. She is a un speaker,
Speaker 1: first generation Mexican American activist and host of Word to
Speaker 1: Ya Mama, the podcast that amplifies the verse, voices and
Speaker 1: celebrates shared experiences. She's also the co host of the
Speaker 1: get Down podcast, which covers policy and industry trends in
Speaker 1: D five, Web three, and emerging tech affecting Black, Latino
Speaker 1: and Indigenous communities.
Speaker 2: And she is joining us today for.
Speaker 1: This part of the program where we will be discussing
Speaker 1: the protests around the country. To be fair, there was
Speaker 1: a lot that we didn't get to the first part
Speaker 1: of the show. I suspect the same will be true
Speaker 1: the second part of the show. The show is always
Speaker 1: too short, but I am really excited to learn and
Speaker 1: get some insight into ways that we can be supportive
Speaker 1: of a community under duress.
Speaker 2: In this moment and just show up as brothers like
Speaker 2: we always do.
Speaker 1: But before we get there, it's time to be aba,
Speaker 1: become a better ally Baba.
Speaker 2: And today's Baba comes from USA. Today.
Speaker 1: Sunday Nights Grammys proved that music and art are political.
Speaker 1: After accepting their Grammy wins, Shakira Chappelle, Ron Lady Gaga,
Speaker 1: and Bruno mar spoke out for the trans community, immigrants,
Speaker 1: and up and coming artists in the industry. During her
Speaker 1: speech after winning Best Latin Pop Album, Shakure Kakira reached
Speaker 1: out to her immigrant brothers and sisters. The Colombian singer continued, quote,
Speaker 1: you are loved and worth it, and I'll fight with you.
Speaker 1: Later in the telecast, Gaga accepted her award with Mars
Speaker 1: for the Best Pop Duo Performance, saying simply quote, trans
Speaker 1: people are not invisible. They deserve to be lifted up.
Speaker 1: Music is love in the second part. You want to
Speaker 1: get that from the La Times.
Speaker 3: From the La Times. Dwayne Wade and Gabrielle Union use
Speaker 3: their platform at this year's NAACP Image Awards to advocate
Speaker 3: for the black LGBTQ community and praise their transgender daughter
Speaker 3: Zaiah for her bravery. After accepting the President's Awards Saturday
Speaker 3: at the Civic Auditorium, Sadina, the former pro basketball player
Speaker 3: and the Truth be Told actor, developed a passionate, rousing speech.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Delivered a passionate, rousing speech that was widely lauded on
Speaker 3: social media. Wade began the speech by directly addressing his
Speaker 3: daughter and Union Wade's stepdaughter, Zaia, who came out as
Speaker 3: trans in twenty twenty. After the NBA star credit at
Speaker 3: Zire for making him a better human by being who
Speaker 3: she was born to be. Union Wade spoke fervently about
Speaker 3: the struggles and rights of the black LGBTQ community. At
Speaker 3: some point, we will all realize that our oppressor is
Speaker 3: the same and that we have far more in common
Speaker 3: than what divides us, and we will be so much
Speaker 3: stronger because of it. I'm praying for those days, Am.
Speaker 3: My patience has worn thin as I watched the oppressor
Speaker 3: continue their movement forward with no resistance. I'm looking to
Speaker 3: my left and right and hoping we can figure it
Speaker 3: out soon.
Speaker 1: Well said, Okay, a day without immigrants, we're going to
Speaker 1: be talking about the ice raid protests and yeah, to
Speaker 1: hear the stories from these was really tough. As I mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, Q and I, we are able to have
Speaker 1: some conversations on the Black Information Network. One of the
Speaker 1: things that we when the conversations we had prior to
Speaker 1: you know, joining the b I in was letting them
Speaker 1: know that, you know, this is who we are. We
Speaker 1: we work in the ally ship space and when it
Speaker 1: makes sense, we do our best to find ways to
Speaker 1: build bridges rather than ways to tear them down and
Speaker 1: to become an island unto ourselves. And fortunately the powers
Speaker 1: that be were really supportive of that. So we've indeed
Speaker 1: had conversations already about this, but this is our first
Speaker 1: time having this conversation with someone who can provide a
Speaker 1: little bit more direct insight into what it might feel like.
Speaker 2: In those communities. So again, Ritzie, thank you for hanging
Speaker 2: out with us.
Speaker 1: I'm going to start us off by sharing a bit
Speaker 1: from Newsweek, just to get folks that aren't familiar caught
Speaker 1: up to speed.
Speaker 2: Again from Newsweek.
Speaker 1: Protests have erupted around the country over the past weekend
Speaker 1: in response to President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown, which includes
Speaker 1: mass deportations and sweeping raids targeting illegal immigrants. The Trump
Speaker 1: administration has vowed to conduct the largest mass deportation operation
Speaker 1: in US history, targeting the estimated eleven point seven million
Speaker 1: people who are in the country without legal status. As
Speaker 1: a Trump administration moves forward with its hardline immigration agenda,
Speaker 1: immigration advocates across the country are mobilizing to protest and
Speaker 1: protect immigrant communities from potential raids and deportations. While immigrant
Speaker 1: rights advocates have been hosting workshops and sharing legal advice
Speaker 1: on social media with communities about knowing their rights, Locals
Speaker 1: have begun organizing protests around the US.
Speaker 2: Over the weekend. This would be last weekend.
Speaker 1: Of course, ice raids and deportations are expected to continue
Speaker 1: under Trump's administration as immigrant communities, local governments, and advocacy
Speaker 1: groups brace for the impact of the president's crackdown. Protests
Speaker 1: across the country are also expected to continue. Now, before
Speaker 1: I let you go, Ritzy, I want to say a
Speaker 1: couple of things when it comes to protests. That's kind
Speaker 1: of my joint. I like protests. I like to get
Speaker 1: outside and get busy. I stay with the bullhorn, I
Speaker 1: bring my children out there. It's all I like that energy.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We don't just be in
Speaker 1: a student. We'll be outside with it, and when it
Speaker 1: gets tense, I'm there on the front lines.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The other thing I do want to say too, is
Speaker 1: that part of the reason for this, because you know,
Speaker 1: we've had people, you know, say things in the comments
Speaker 1: on our social media, which I don't read, but you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes every so often something we peak through, and there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who will say things like, well, hey,
Speaker 1: this is necessary. Hey, there are certain people that need
Speaker 1: to do this the right way. Hey, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And I think that there's certainly nuanced there. But one
Speaker 1: of the things that a lot of people don't know,
Speaker 1: especially people that don't live in border states, is that
Speaker 1: doing things the right way is what everybody wants. Everybody
Speaker 1: wants to do things the right way, and oftentimes when
Speaker 1: things aren't done the right way according to what you
Speaker 1: deem the right way to be is.
Speaker 2: When they don't do it according to that way. There's
Speaker 2: a reason for that, And.
Speaker 1: I think that it's really easy to miss that when
Speaker 1: you paint everyone with a broad stroke and you lose
Speaker 1: sight of their humanity. So when you see these roundups,
Speaker 1: when you see these people in the parking, lots of
Speaker 1: home depot when you see like I live. I've been
Speaker 1: in Mexico one hundred times. I know people who are
Speaker 1: from Mexico. My children are Mexican. This is not a
Speaker 1: game for Ramses, This is not a game for Q.
Speaker 2: This is real. We actually live here.
Speaker 1: In this And for all those of you around the
Speaker 1: country who don't know better, we appreciate you giving us
Speaker 1: the opportunity to give you some insight. Don't lose sight
Speaker 1: of these people's humanity. They're human beings. They are your
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters. They're the same as you. They're homo
Speaker 1: sapien sapiens. Okay, right, and the conversation we're about to have,
Speaker 1: I think makes that clear. Just like we were talking
Speaker 1: about trans people. Say what you will about trans folks,
Speaker 1: they are human beings and when you lose sight of
Speaker 1: their humanity, it allows hate and fear to creep in,
Speaker 1: and that's not the right way to approach this. Okay,
Speaker 1: first question, Ritzy, Sorry, I had to get.
Speaker 2: That off it.
Speaker 1: Do us a favor, you know, I did my best,
Speaker 1: but I'm not well. I got a little bit of Cuban,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I live the life
Speaker 1: of a black man in the United States of America.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, so I would not profess to speak.
Speaker 1: In such a way that approaches this question, but give
Speaker 1: us some insight into how this is being processed in
Speaker 1: Latino communities, because it could be what I think, a
Speaker 1: lot of concern, but it also could be relief that
Speaker 1: you know, let's be there were a lot of Latinos
Speaker 1: that voted for this towards this end. But you know,
Speaker 1: I know you can't speak for everyone, but just as
Speaker 1: an individual portal, give us some insight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, I can only speak for myself and
Speaker 4: for the communities that I'm a part of, and I'm
Speaker 4: part of a lot of communities.
Speaker 5: But to see the protest, it was powerful.
Speaker 4: It was beautiful scene because Latinos were not a monolig
Speaker 4: and we're not all from Mexico. We're from so many
Speaker 4: different countries. So to see the videos and the photos
Speaker 4: of different flags, people standing next to each other unity,
Speaker 4: it kind of you know, being first gen and my
Speaker 4: mom passed away thirty years ago. But for those of
Speaker 4: us that are immigrants, ourselves that are first gen, that
Speaker 4: all of us have someone that is an immigrant, whether
Speaker 4: they're undocumented, or not we know someone, it impacts us
Speaker 4: and it packs our community. It lets us know that
Speaker 4: you're not like, we're not alone, that people see us right,
Speaker 4: and whether you're first gen, fifth gen, it's a reminder
Speaker 4: of our history and our roots. I think a lot
Speaker 4: of us are just kind of going day by day
Speaker 4: trying to be you know, consumers and trying to build businesses.
Speaker 5: But we have to remember this is a.
Speaker 4: Call to action to roll up our sleeves and fight
Speaker 4: and advocate for our communities because some of us forget right,
Speaker 4: especially those that voted a certain way, because proximity whiteness
Speaker 4: is one hell of a drug, so you know. And
Speaker 4: I also want to point out that activism can look
Speaker 4: differently for different people. Right back in the days I
Speaker 4: was on the front lines, I was doing that stuff,
Speaker 4: but it can evolve in where your life is at.
Speaker 4: And I want people to understand that just because you
Speaker 4: weren't out there physically on the streets, you can support
Speaker 4: another ways by amplifying this because we're and suppressed on
Speaker 4: social media and by media. So I feel like it's
Speaker 4: a call to action, it's a show of support, and
Speaker 4: it's a beautiful thing. Of course, there's concern, But I
Speaker 4: think a lot of people think, like, oh, you know, there,
Speaker 4: we've been worried about this. It's just a spotlight on
Speaker 4: it now, and it's maybe, you know, accelerateed a little bit.
Speaker 4: But the mass deportations and deportations, ice rays and stuff
Speaker 4: is every day life for a lot of us in
Speaker 4: our community. And I can't speak for everyone, but this
Speaker 4: is what I've seen and what I've experienced.
Speaker 3: Typically, when protests involve non white people or the calls
Speaker 3: for the process for the protests, I'm sorry. It's something
Speaker 3: that involves marginalized communities and standing up for them. We've
Speaker 3: seen in news and in mass media. Part of how
Speaker 3: Rams and I ended up doing Civic Cipher was that
Speaker 3: mainstream media likes to call all protests of that type riots.
Speaker 3: They like to paint them as violent and try to
Speaker 3: paint those who participate as criminal. What would you say
Speaker 3: to those who blindly call all of our protests violent
Speaker 3: or riots or try to paint them in that very negative,
Speaker 3: intentionally pejorative light.
Speaker 4: I like that you say that, and to really make
Speaker 4: the distinction, because historically, marginized communities have had all but
Speaker 4: negative representation and media regardless. And then you point this out,
Speaker 4: they call them riots when they're peaceful protests, right, So
Speaker 4: media changes the narrative and they're out to vilify us,
Speaker 4: right because then they can say and it fits into
Speaker 4: their narrative of what they're trying to spread, so that
Speaker 4: people are like, yeah, you know, and join their cause.
Speaker 4: And when they show anything that happens, people don't understand
Speaker 4: that it might have been an isolated incident, but that
Speaker 4: for the most part, these are you know, peaceful protests,
Speaker 4: and sometimes it's not peaceful, and we have to do
Speaker 4: certain things like that, right, And that's why it's important
Speaker 4: for people on the ground to document so that you know,
Speaker 4: we know exactly what happened. And so protests to those
Speaker 4: people that say it's anti American and it's violent, protests
Speaker 4: are core of American history, right. I mean, if you
Speaker 4: look at the First Amendment, I looked it up to
Speaker 4: make sure that I wrote it so that I repeated
Speaker 4: this specific part of the First Amendment. Peacefully assemble and
Speaker 4: to petition government for a redress of grievances. And so
Speaker 4: from civil rights to voters' rights to workers' rights, protests
Speaker 4: have historically been powerful tools to correct systematic wrongs. Why
Speaker 4: are we out on the streets. Why do we have
Speaker 4: to resort to that because we tried the appropriate channels
Speaker 4: and nothing happened. So yeah, I think it's the most
Speaker 4: American thing ever.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to share again back in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and I didn't forget that we're you know, we're in Arizona, Q.
Speaker 1: And I were out there on the protests, and you know,
Speaker 1: Arizona's there's not a lot of black folks. It's not
Speaker 1: like a place like Atlanta, Louisiana. It's not like that.
Speaker 1: It's not Jacksonville's. You know, Arizona the population is way
Speaker 1: less black folks. But the crowds were enormous and a
Speaker 1: lot of those crowds were white folks. A lot of
Speaker 1: those crowds were Mexican folks, you know, and everyone showed
Speaker 1: up to support us. And so now that things have evolved,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of seeing some patterns and far be from
Speaker 1: me to not show up when they showed up for us, right,
Speaker 1: we saw I saw Ramses this is me. I saw
Speaker 1: people that were identified as police, like because you know,
Speaker 1: I was in with the organizers, they knew me from
Speaker 1: the radiotor like, hey, you stay over here, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: stay away from that side. We think that that group
Speaker 1: over there is we think that they're police. They show
Speaker 1: up and they just kind of observe, they don't really participate.
Speaker 1: Cool later on, I see those same people throwing rocks
Speaker 1: or something, breaking glass. No one else is doing that.
Speaker 1: Now these people have shown up every time, haven't done anything,
Speaker 1: and now they're setting it off.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Of course I can't confirm that I didn't ask those
Speaker 1: people for their badge number or anything like that, but
Speaker 1: I strongly suspect because they didn't fit in there and
Speaker 1: they look like police officers, that that's what they were.
Speaker 1: So I do want to say that there's that component
Speaker 1: to it as well. But if we're addressing this head on,
Speaker 1: I think it was doctor King that said a riot
Speaker 1: is the language of the unheard, and I think that
Speaker 1: that is something worth bearing in mind, not that people
Speaker 1: need to go.
Speaker 2: Out and riot. I personally, I'm not so mad at riots.
Speaker 2: I think every so often you need a good riot do.
Speaker 1: You get things moving along. But that's just ramses, that's
Speaker 1: not the show. That's not ritchy.
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's not cute as laughable.
Speaker 2: But but proceed.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, well, can I bring up one quick point
Speaker 4: just to that really quick? I want to know your
Speaker 4: thoughts in another administration and another time, I'm down with that.
Speaker 4: What do you guys think about what people are saying
Speaker 4: is that they're waiting for they're waiting for that for
Speaker 4: Marshall to be like, oh, let's put the you know
Speaker 4: what do we think about that?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Well what I what I think is that they call
Speaker 3: it riot so that it could be seen by those
Speaker 3: who consume media. The way that they give it to
Speaker 3: them as negative and like you say, painted as anti American,
Speaker 3: paint us as criminals and make us the bad guy
Speaker 3: in the story present. At these organized protests, we have
Speaker 3: our children there. It is mostly not violent. We can't
Speaker 3: say comprehensively there's no violence because we're not everywhere at once,
Speaker 3: but we've been to enough of these protests to know
Speaker 3: that they're mostly not violent. In cases that they become
Speaker 3: that way, that violence is incited and instigated by law enforcement.
Speaker 3: The way that they show up for us to protest
Speaker 3: is not just prepared for violence, but looking to start it,
Speaker 3: Whereas we saw when large groups of white protesters show
Speaker 3: up for causes that are actually anti American, that are
Speaker 3: flying a flag that we fought a war against and
Speaker 3: won on this soil. And the police are very peaceful.
Speaker 3: They're to the side, they're out of the way, they
Speaker 3: don't have on riot gear, they're not blocking their path,
Speaker 3: they're not instigating violence with them. So they find a
Speaker 3: way to conveniently make all of the visuals to all
Speaker 3: of the optics and all of the narratives paint us
Speaker 3: as bad people so they can justify the mistreatment. See,
Speaker 3: those people are violence, see that those people are more
Speaker 3: prone to violence and criminal activity, and blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: so that people who treat us like crap can sleep
Speaker 3: at night, so they can have a clear conscience, so
Speaker 3: they can point and say, look at those bad people
Speaker 3: who are It's like they think there's nothing else that
Speaker 3: we're good for.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, And because people.
Speaker 3: Have made up their minds ahead of time that we're
Speaker 3: that way, they get the point and say, see.
Speaker 1: We told they get the public narrative. If we do
Speaker 1: it does devolve into a riot. Yeah, So that's that's
Speaker 1: that's one, And.
Speaker 3: It almost never does that. That's the point that I'm
Speaker 3: trying to make. These are almost always peaceful protests. They
Speaker 3: paint us as violent rioters so they can justify treating
Speaker 3: us like crap.
Speaker 1: And or when it does happen that way, it's usually
Speaker 1: individual actors who weren't there at the beginning, because you
Speaker 1: get clear instructions, Hey, we're here peacefully. You know we've
Speaker 1: ben went off for these Like you said, we're here peacefully.
Speaker 1: This is what we're gonna do. We're gonna walk this way,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go this way. Everyone stay together, make sure
Speaker 1: you got a buddy. Whatever, it would be peaceful. And
Speaker 1: if something crazy happened, it's somebody that wasn't there at
Speaker 1: the beginning, or somebody with us, right, But anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I know you wanted to jump in.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I was just gonna say that, Like
Speaker 4: everything that you guys said is just there.
Speaker 5: There's people. I believe what you said.
Speaker 4: There's definitely people that want to instigate and evoke so
Speaker 4: they can capture those you know, little clickbake moments. They
Speaker 4: can get that footage and say like, see this fits
Speaker 4: in our narrative, So you know, they are less than
Speaker 4: you know that, I think that's the full narrative.
Speaker 5: There are less than.
Speaker 1: How about this to people that say, well, clearly there's
Speaker 1: an immigration problem, Clearly something needs to be done, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. In your estimation, what do you think would
Speaker 1: be I know, I know this is a lot, especially
Speaker 1: for the amount of time that we have left. But
Speaker 1: what would you if you had a magic wand what
Speaker 1: would you like to see done about immigration to make
Speaker 1: sure that everybody is I don't know, better off than
Speaker 1: they are today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that definitely is a loaded question.
Speaker 4: I mean because when you think about I don't think
Speaker 4: it's a I don't think it's a problem. And I think, really,
Speaker 4: maybe it's more of an immigration system problem. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: I feel like maybe there's not enough streamline humane processes
Speaker 4: for people that live and you know, build commun unities
Speaker 4: here in a pathway for citizenship maybe right. And when
Speaker 4: they say it's a problem, I think immigrants is what
Speaker 4: makes this what really makes America great, and they contribute
Speaker 4: to the economy and the culture innovation of the United States.
Speaker 4: And I wanted to you know, I know that your
Speaker 4: show is for our community, but also a lot of allies,
Speaker 4: and I want to bring stats. You know, people love stats,
Speaker 4: that's something they can look up and so According to
Speaker 4: the American Immigration Council data analysts, back in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 4: thirty five point one billion dollars in taxes were paid
Speaker 4: by undocumented households, by undocumented people, stuff that they're not
Speaker 4: going to be able to benefit from.
Speaker 3: But that went into that's such an important thing to
Speaker 3: point out, sis yea, that they pay into the GDP,
Speaker 3: they contribute and benefit nothing from it. They don't get
Speaker 3: social Security, they don't get food steps, they don't get
Speaker 3: any of the social things that are constructed into the
Speaker 3: use of that. Honey, they don't benefit from it, and
Speaker 3: we pretend like they're taking when they're doing jobs nobody
Speaker 3: wants for wages no one else would work for. It's
Speaker 3: a really it's beyond insulting men. I forgive me for
Speaker 3: getting frustrated just at the idea.
Speaker 4: No, yes, I appreciate that, And that's that's the type
Speaker 4: of information that we need to spread. That's the you know,
Speaker 4: because I think just really quickly, I feel like there's
Speaker 4: an awakning a shift and on if you guys feel it,
Speaker 4: I see I see our allies out there that are
Speaker 4: being like.
Speaker 5: What the government did this to us too?
Speaker 4: Like they're being you know, they're they're starting to realize
Speaker 4: things that we've known since the beginning that it's racism,
Speaker 4: you know, and and they're seeing how they're also it's
Speaker 4: really it's not really left against right, it's really up
Speaker 4: against down. I saw someone posts and I was like,
Speaker 4: that's exactly it. It's the rich against the poor. So if
Speaker 4: we think about these numbers and how they contribute and
Speaker 4: they help with you know, public schools, food stamps, healthcare,
Speaker 4: all those different things, and and it's just the trying
Speaker 4: to villainize, you know, immigrants and fit into that narrative
Speaker 4: that they're trying to push criminalize us and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And you know, I don't really have the answers, but
Speaker 4: I think it's so complicated.
Speaker 5: It's multi level, and it's nuanced.
Speaker 4: Because are we talking about immigration from a border, the
Speaker 4: Canadian border, the Mexican border, what populations? Are we talking
Speaker 4: about the white presenting immigrants?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? I mean it's so many
Speaker 5: different things.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's complicated, but I think maybe at least
Speaker 4: having a clear pathway, I think that maybe can help
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the interesting thing that you pointed out before we go,
Speaker 3: there's hundreds of thousands of white immigrants here. Their stories
Speaker 3: never make the news, they're never brought up as an issue,
Speaker 3: only those that look like us, and we know that
Speaker 3: that's intentional.
Speaker 1: Also, I want to make sure that it's stated that
Speaker 1: immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than Americans do,
Speaker 1: and it's important to mention that.
Speaker 2: Statistic significant market.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so with that in mind, we're going to have
Speaker 1: to leave it right there. Once again, I'd like to
Speaker 1: thank you RITZP for taking the time to educate us
Speaker 1: and enlighten us. Do us a favor any social media
Speaker 1: and then really any resource that folks might need to get,
Speaker 1: just like twenty seconds or so, any place people can
Speaker 1: go and get some resources for more info.
Speaker 4: For sure, I'm retyp across all social media and definitely
Speaker 4: go to check out the Center for Human Rights and
Speaker 4: Constitutional Law. Shout out to my homegirl Karen and Nondez.
Speaker 5: She's there.
Speaker 4: She definitely should have her on and there's a bunch
Speaker 4: of resources on their page Center for Humanrights dot org
Speaker 4: and on Word to your Mama, we're collecting all kinds
Speaker 4: of vetted community resources and that's at Word to your
Speaker 4: Mama dot com slash.
Speaker 2: Community all right, and you can check us out at
Speaker 2: Civic Cipher to download both parts of the episode. You
Speaker 2: can find me on all social media at Rams's Jah.
Speaker 3: I am Qward on all social media.
Speaker 1: As well, and we are Civic Cipher on all social
Speaker 1: media platforms, even though we might be shadow banded.
Speaker 2: But until next week, y'all, All right, y'all, please