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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bally Beck Now Live in Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bowl Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura on.

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Speaker 2: A Monday edition nearly Bowl the Great z. I don't

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Speaker 2: know why I'm here, I said Friday. If we lose

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Speaker 2: to Vegas, I wasn't going to do this show. I'll

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Speaker 2: see you Tuesday, and yet here I am. I appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you. It's good to see you. It's good

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Speaker 2: to see you as well. Disappoint we are not a

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Speaker 2: good football team. I guess that's the jumping off point here.

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Speaker 2: We just aren't not a good football team right now.

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Speaker 2: It's a month end of the season. There's a long

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Speaker 2: way still to go. Unfortunately, though, if you're playing the

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Speaker 2: schedule game, this is one of those ones that you

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Speaker 2: would have said, dub. You would have said the one

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Speaker 2: last week against New York dub. And now a team

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Speaker 2: that is unable to beat teams that are in the

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Speaker 2: bottom third of the league is going to have to

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Speaker 2: beat teams that are in the top third of the

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Speaker 2: league in order to reach its ultimate goal, and quite honestly,

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Speaker 2: we're so far away from that right now that that's

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Speaker 2: not even honestly a conversation worth having because they're just

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Speaker 2: baseline things that have to get fixed that are really

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Speaker 2: wrong right now with.

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Speaker 3: This team, and it's it's incredibly disappointing, is really kind

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Speaker 3: of the only way to say it. It is incredibly

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Speaker 3: disappointing the way that this team is performing. Another dozen

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Speaker 3: mistackles in this game, which we talked about against the

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Speaker 3: Giants was such a problem for the Cleveland Browns, and

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Speaker 3: that was, you know, double their normal against the Giants

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Speaker 3: it was eleven. So this was actually one more mistackle

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Speaker 3: than that. That's the number of the season. It's death

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Speaker 3: by a thousand cuts, you know what I mean. It's

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Speaker 3: a perfectly thrown the best that he's played all year.

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Speaker 3: You still had opportunities to win the game and did not.

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Speaker 3: But it's death by a thousand cuts. It's roughing the

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Speaker 3: passer penalties that extend drives we had that we've had,

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Speaker 3: We've had a turnover, and I consider when they have

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Speaker 3: to punt too, that's going to be a turnover at

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Speaker 3: that point. Yep, taken off the board due to a penalty.

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Speaker 3: We've had a turnover or a touchdown taken off the

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Speaker 3: board due to penalty now in three straight games.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: So you get a perfectly thrown ball becomes an interception.

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Speaker 2: Well not just in a pick six. They didn't score

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Speaker 2: on it, but they scored. They scored it following it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: directly led to points. Yeah, because he returned it inside

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Speaker 2: the you got.

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Speaker 3: The fifty, I think, yeah, Yeah, that it's you didn't

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Speaker 3: have as many penalties the game, but when you did,

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Speaker 3: they were killers. You had a penalty the hole that

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Speaker 3: the gates an eighty two yard touchdown. Questionable call for sure,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. On the television copy they were saying.

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Speaker 3: That Ross Tucker was Apoplecticum, he was.

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Speaker 2: And I think correct, we all were watching it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but they brought in the rules official and he goes,

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Speaker 2: that's one by the letter of the law. But you

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Speaker 2: never see it called because of the way that it was. Well,

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Speaker 2: he was inside the frame, right.

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Speaker 3: Problem is when you get away, there was a little

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Speaker 3: tug of the jersey and I'm sure that's what they saw.

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Speaker 2: It saw it. They said, well, you got to call

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Speaker 2: it as soon as that happens. So the gate's a

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Speaker 3: It's at a two yard touchdown, So do you have that.

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Speaker 3: You get the defensive touchdown you so sorely need, and

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Speaker 3: then you missed the extra point, and boy would that

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Speaker 3: loom large because at the end you would have just

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Speaker 3: needed a field goal to tie and you're going into overtime. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a penalty on Amari for not getting set before

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Speaker 3: he went into motion. Yep, that negated. That was a

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Speaker 3: first down play. Sean made a great play getting out,

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Speaker 3: got it to Whitehart. It was a first und set.

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Speaker 3: There are so many little things the attention to detail

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Speaker 3: can't pick up a stunt. Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: We can't.

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Speaker 3: We're not tackling our defense. Again, if you hold a team, okay,

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Speaker 3: that's enough to win. And in some ways that's true,

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean some of that is Miles because he's

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Speaker 2: he normally does, and he covers up a lot of

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Speaker 2: that stuff. MJ is really struggling, shruggling, And he was

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Speaker 2: so great last year and we thought he was headed for,

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Speaker 2: you know, a break through season and all of those

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Speaker 2: things that maybe should have been pro bowler last year.

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Speaker 2: He's not playing to the level that you're accustomed to

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Speaker 2: see him his We haven't had won the whole time,

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Speaker 2: but everybody's got injury, so that's all part of it.

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Speaker 2: I do this thing with allow me a quick story.

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Speaker 2: I do this thing with especially the oldest where so well,

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Speaker 2: right now, the kids are doing this thing where they

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Speaker 2: leave the pillows from the couches on the ground, right Okay,

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Speaker 2: they're leaving them on the ground, and I'm like, I'll

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Speaker 2: say pick them up, and then if they don't, and

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Speaker 2: then an hour later, the pillows will be on the

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Speaker 2: the rooms. I'm saying, pick up the pillows. This as

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Speaker 2: you you guys did this. And last night we were

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Speaker 2: watching football and watching the Ravens and the Bills game,

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Speaker 2: and there was a pillow on the ground, and I said,

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Speaker 2: I just talked to you guys about this an hour ago.

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Speaker 2: Here's a pillow on the ground, and NBC goes, Dad,

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Speaker 2: what are you freaking out for? It's such a little thing,

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Speaker 2: And I said, the little things aren't little things. The

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Speaker 2: little things that become big things. And we have allowed

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Speaker 2: my kids have allowed little things like picking up a

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Speaker 2: pillow into become a behavioral thing that I quite frankly

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Speaker 2: all of the little things wrong, and they're becoming enormous things.

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Speaker 2: And that everything you just described is a little thing.

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Speaker 2: Is man, I missed I missed an extra point. That's fine,

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Speaker 2: it's one extra point. We'll get it back. Yeah, But

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Speaker 2: compounded with a holding call, not getting lined up, not

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Speaker 2: an inability to recognize a stunt, the idea to not

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Speaker 2: have all three timeouts at the end, where we burn

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Speaker 2: that time out like that, essentially it it's one play and

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Speaker 2: you're done. In Otherwise, the way you were playing defensively,

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Speaker 2: you could have gotten a couple more shots. Is it

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Speaker 2: one throw into the end zone? Maybe, but it's a chance.

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Speaker 2: There's a thousand little things. You said, death by a

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Speaker 2: thousand cuts it's a thousand little things that have become

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Speaker 2: one big thing. And the big thing is right now,

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Speaker 2: we're not a good football team, and it's all the

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Speaker 2: little stuff. We were the hallmark of Stefanski teams were disciplined,

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Speaker 2: there was plan, there was a process. The piece the

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Speaker 2: PE's are gone, baby, they're out now. Can you get

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Speaker 2: them right? I don't know, but yeah, it's it's tough.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard to watch, and it's a it's not

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Speaker 2: characteristically the way Kevin's teams have been, but it's it

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Speaker 2: is a characteristic of this team. It's wildly undisciplined. The

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Speaker 2: mistakes happen over and over and over again. And even

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Speaker 2: when you're playing a team without its two best players,

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Speaker 2: which is and this is a bad team. This Raiders

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Speaker 2: seems a bad team. But they were without Adams, they

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Speaker 2: were without Max Crosby. Like this is as easy of

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Speaker 2: a layup as you're going to get in the National

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Speaker 2: Football League, and you couldn't do it. And you scored

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Speaker 2: one touchdown in an NFL game without Max Crosby. You

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Speaker 2: scored one touchdown. Andy Dalton went in there last week

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Speaker 2: and shredded.

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Speaker 3: Him three and three yards with Max Cross three touchdowns

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Speaker 3: and they got smoked.

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Speaker 2: They got smoked. It's it is, I don't know, it is.

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Speaker 2: It's very tough.

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Speaker 3: It's a very tough thing to watch because this was

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Speaker 3: a team that the expectations were high, and it felt

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Speaker 3: like justifiably so, and they just have not been able

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Speaker 3: to play at the level at which they should and

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Speaker 3: we're not. We still don't have a three hundred yard game.

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Speaker 3: We still don't have a twenty point game. Every team

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Speaker 3: that had played the Raiders had scored twenty points at least.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned Carolina Panthers, how they shredded them.

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Speaker 2: You know, the.

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Speaker 3: Raiders outside of Max Crosby had two sacks combined through

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Speaker 3: three games. Yep, they produced three yesterday. The Raiders had

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Speaker 3: and fifty one or one hundred and fifty three yards

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Speaker 3: rushing for the season for the season, and they had

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty two in this game. Everything that

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Speaker 3: you looked at going into this game of what it

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Speaker 3: should be did not manifest itself. We score on the

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Speaker 3: opening script, We've scored on our opening possession every time.

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Speaker 3: This year, four out of four we have three touchdowns

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Speaker 3: a touchdown on three straight games. We were up seven

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Speaker 3: We were up ten to nothing against the Raiders, up

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Speaker 2: It's it's dumbfounding.

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Speaker 3: The defense is it's it's it almost feels kind of

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Speaker 3: like hot cold is the way that I would describe it.

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Speaker 2: Almost almost by halves better.

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Speaker 3: There was an you know, it was better in the

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Speaker 3: second but definitely in the fourth quarter it was better.

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Speaker 3: Raiders had the ball, they went three and out punt.

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Speaker 3: By the way, that first drive, Bowers drops a thirty yarder, yeah,

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Speaker 3: on the right sideline. And then on third down they

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Speaker 3: ran the perfect cover two beater and you had the

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Speaker 3: guy right there that should have been a touchdown yep,

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Speaker 3: and Minshew overthrew him. So they go three and out.

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Speaker 3: That was their only possession of the first quarter. Then

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Speaker 3: they go eleven plays seventy yards touchdown, nine places fifty

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Speaker 3: five yards field goal. Then they had four straight possessions

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Speaker 3: where they scored basically eight plays forty yards field goal,

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Speaker 3: six plays forty eight yards touchdown.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 3: This team shouldn't be scoring on the Cleveland Browns. Look,

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Speaker 3: they're professionals too, but they were without their number one weapon.

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Speaker 3: They couldn't run the ball going into this game. They

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Speaker 3: ran for as many yards, we said, as they had

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Speaker 3: in the entire season combined. We should have had plenty

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Speaker 3: of time to throw the football in this game. We

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Speaker 3: did not at all, and I think that's one of

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Speaker 3: the things that is.

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Speaker 2: Scary.

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of people are screenshotting the final

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Speaker 3: play the fourth and three. Clearly the initial progression was

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Speaker 3: to the left. A lot of those people are saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, Akins was open there, that corner's underneath that.

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Speaker 3: There's really nowhere from throw the ball there. Had he

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Speaker 3: had time, he comes back to the middle, and yes,

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Speaker 3: Jerry Judy is open.

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Speaker 2: So you don't think he could have put that to

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Speaker 2: the corner. I think it would have been tough because

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Speaker 3: He's the corners like this, the corners open that he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's stupefying stuff. I don't it's strange that we

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Joel Buttonio on the Nick Harris hold

435
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Speaker 2: that negated the Amari Cooper touchdown. Yeah.

436
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Speaker 5: I don't know that's how they're calling it, I guess,

437
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 5: but we watched Miles get held all the time. We

438
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 5: watch guys get hell all the time. Sometimes you gotta

439
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 5: let him play football. You know, he tried to let

440
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 5: him God and impeat him. Like he still hit the quarterback,

441
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. It wasn't like he didn't

442
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 5: crush him on that play. It's just frustrating. It's not

443
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 5: one mistake though. I mean obviously that touchdown, but there's

444
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 5: too many other mistakes during the game to just pin

445
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Speaker 5: him on that.

446
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 2: Joel sounds like all of us, this is the reality

447
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 2: of that one. Yeah, that's what we all thought, Joel, Yes, right,

448
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: what the hell man? Right, that's a hold. Go back

449
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,959
Speaker 2: to Shaun Watson on the struggles with the offensive line.

450
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just go back to execution communication. All been

451
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 6: on the same page, and you know, we're just trying

452
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 6: to you know, they say, just be on the same page.

453
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Speaker 7: You know.

454
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Speaker 6: That's That's pretty much all I can really say about

455
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 6: it right now.

456
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Speaker 2: I think sometimes and a lot's been made of that, like,

457
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 2: get all on the same page. I think sometimes, like

458
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: you know, you have an athlete or a coach and

459
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: they have to talk to the media, right, So you

460
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: go to the media, they say, what happened, Well, where

461
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 2: do you want me to begin. There's a lot that

462
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 2: happened in the game. Why is the offense struggling? There's

463
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: a lot of factors that are leading to the offense struggling,

464
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 2: And so sometimes you say things like we got all

465
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Speaker 2: get on the same page. It's almost like a placeholder

466
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 2: because it's too much like what's wrong with the a lot? Yeah,

467
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 2: we're giving up a ton of pressure on the offensive line.

468
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: Sometimes we miss stuff, we're dropping passes, like all of

469
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 2: the things that are that would eat any one of

470
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 2: these things would be devastating, and we're doing them all.

471
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Speaker 2: So like all when he says stuff like that, all

472
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Speaker 2: on the same page, like something, Oh, maybe there's problems

473
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: behind I don't know that it's that. I just think

474
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 2: there is no execution across the board. No one's playing well,

475
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: there's nobody on this team offensively, may say for maybe

476
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: Jerry Judy, who you could say that's they're killing it,

477
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, like offensively, that's what I said.

478
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: That's what I said. Outside of Jerry Judy, I don't

479
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: know that there's anybody that I'm like, well, they're doing

480
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: exactly what they're supposed to do and playing above their

481
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: what we expected. Yep, you're not wrong. So that's where

482
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: you get that comment like that where he says we

483
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: got to get on the same page because there's just

484
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 2: too much to go into defensively. Obviously it's not great either.

485
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 2: Miles was asked post game if the defense is still

486
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: together always, I think, no, we gotta.

487
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Speaker 4: We gotta clean back on the identity we had last year,

488
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 4: most of them the run of forcing teams to pass,

489
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 4: and to some extent we have you know, they've they've

490
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 4: definitely run some different schemes to take advantage of the

491
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 4: perimeter and making our guys on the back end tackle

492
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 4: them trying to get away from the other front front seven.

493
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Speaker 4: And uh, we've got to we've got to know shore

494
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 4: that up as best as we can, and we've got

495
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 4: to we've got to lean back on that. Not dinner

496
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 4: we had last year. But no, we're definitely staying together

497
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 4: and we're going to address as best as we can

498
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 4: tomorrow in the day after and make sure we get

499
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 4: back to our old ways as far as no stop

500
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 4: of the run, forcing seems to talk quick and then

501
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 4: once we get a lead, you know, pen our ears

502
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 4: back and rushing the hell at the ball.

503
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: Very ah. I think one thing that everyone is is

504
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: going to have to understand. And we talked about this

505
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: a little bit in camp. Like every year in the

506
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: NFL starts anew it's a brand new year, so there's

507
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: no carryover yep. In fact, most coaches or people who've

508
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 2: been around the league, when you say what you did

509
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: this last year, it doesn't matter. That's last year. And

510
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 2: so the thinking that you would just step off right

511
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: from where you were last year defensively was was probably

512
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: not something that was ever going to be in the cards.

513
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: And the same thing I would say be true of

514
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: the offense, like this team is so different than it

515
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: was a year ago, and they're gonna have to realize

516
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: this is who they are and find a way to

517
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: win in spite of it.

518
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: Yes, so there are two things that are very difficult

519
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: to kind of carry year to year, we'll call it.

520
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: And those two things that are very difficult to carry

521
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: year to year are your records in one score games

522
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 3: and then defense. Last year, the Browns were start off

523
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: ohe to one in a one score game. They lost

524
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: to the Steelers twenty six to twenty two. Then you

525
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: beat the Niners one in one, you beat the Colts

526
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: two in one, lose the Seahawks two and two beat

527
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 3: the Ravens three and two, beat the Steelers four and two,

528
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 3: beat the Jags five and two, beat the Bears six

529
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: and two. So you're six and two in one score

530
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 3: games in that season. This year you're already one and

531
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: two in one score games. That's something that's difficult to

532
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: carry over year after year after year. And then being

533
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: the number one defense is something that's difficult to do

534
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 3: year after year after year. I think it's the way

535
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: that it is happening that is tough to watch. You're

536
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 3: seeing so many mistackles, yes, so many mistackles. That's a problem.

537
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 3: Number one. Number two penalties have been killers, roughing the

538
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: passers in the last two weeks have taken in an

539
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 3: interception off the board and a third and long off

540
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: the board where they were gonna put a fourth and

541
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 3: long off the board, and by the way, both drives

542
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 3: continue to go on and produce points for the opponent.

543
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: MJ is struggling.

544
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 3: He's I think in some situations we're putting him in.

545
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 3: Not we're putting him in situations, That's what I want

546
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 3: to say. Some situations, the coverages that he's playing are

547
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: calling for him to be off and I think that

548
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: he is because he's had some problems with elige neighbors.

549
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: He's almost giving too much of a cushion on third

550
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: and three. You can't be have a ten year cushion,

551
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: so guy just runs a three yard hours down the world.

552
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 3: So we're given too much cushion at times for teams.

553
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: At times, it's just a combination of factors, you know.

554
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: And Ronnie Hickman has done a good job, but there

555
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 3: are a few plays every game where he's out of

556
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: position and it cost.

557
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: Us a lot of little things.

558
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: Yes, we've been beaten up, but we've been beaten up

559
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: really since training camp. I mean, this team has not

560
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: been close to healthy since training camp. But there are

561
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: a lot of teams in the league that are hurt. Yesterday,

562
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 3: the Raiders played us not only without Max Crosby, but

563
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: Malcolm Konz, who was supposed to be their number two

564
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: defensive end. There's Zadarius He's out for them, so they

565
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: haven't had They didn't have either of their top two

566
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: defensive ends. They're starting two rookies on their offensive line.

567
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: DJ Glaize, you know what are we doing. Malcolm Konz,

568
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 3: by the way, in twenty three had eight sacks for them,

569
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: So that's no excuse. It's just so many little things

570
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 3: that have been so bad and have continued contributed to

571
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: a team that can't get it done. And we've been

572
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: in position we've had five possessions now on as an offense,

573
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: five possessions in the last two games in the fourth

574
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: quarter where you could just a game, go win the game,

575
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 3: and we haven't been able to do it. And we've

576
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: had a defense that has given up leads against the

577
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: Giants and the Raiders. I'm not say it's enough to

578
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: be up seven nothing at Giants, but I'll tell you what,

579
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: once you're up seven nothing against Giants, it feels like

580
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: you're gonna win that game. Ten nothing against the Raiders

581
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 3: that DeVante Adams feels like you should win that game.

582
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: We only had one drive in this game, and this,

583
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: I think speaks also to the other Our defense is

584
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: playing fine, it's not playing as well as it's used

585
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: to playing correct. It's middling. It's not number one in

586
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: the league. We only had one drive that got to

587
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: a second got to a third series of downs the

588
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: first one. Everything else was fourth series. It's less. It's

589
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: eight plays or less. All the rest of them. You

590
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: had you had series eight plays seven players is a

591
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: third series, Yeah, that's fourth down, that's a fourth down

592
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: conversion to get there. No no, no, no, no no. Yeah, you're right,

593
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: you're getting you get you're getting a first down. So

594
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: you have you had three of them. You had one

595
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: eight play drive, one eight one, seven play drive again

596
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: one fifteen, and that's it. Everything else is two series

597
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: and out your longest drive with sixty yards.

598
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: Four drives where you got two first downs or more

599
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: in your game.

600
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: I mean you had your your time of your time

601
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: of possessions in the first half. I mean the first

602
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: one's nine to twenty two, then three twenty one, fifty two,

603
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: kickoff one thirty two. Well, they had the ball.

604
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: We had the ball the entire first quarter, they had

605
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: the ball the entire second quarter, and then it was

606
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: even in the third and the fourth. Yeah, the def

607
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: the offense is not sustaining drives.

608
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: That makes it harder too. Yeah, it's tough. It's we

609
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: add to all of those things and then you can't

610
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: Then you can't make an extra point, and it changes

611
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: the way you have to manage the end of the game.

612
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: Us to Hopkins, let me let me play this and

613
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: then we'll get back into this. It's Hopkins on the

614
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: missed pat and I recognize that, man, I hurt the

615
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: team today, and I expect better for myself.

616
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: I expect better.

617
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: I know that my teammates expect better for me. I

618
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: think high expectations is a.

619
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: Good thing, and I know what I'm capable of, and

620
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: uh so I am.

621
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: I'm disappointed that I didn't utilize the opportunities I got

622
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: to help the team.

623
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: But at the same time, knowing who I am and

624
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: where my foundation lies, I'm excited to get back to work.

625
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm excited to try to keep getting better. So nothing

626
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: you can hang your hat on at this point.

627
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: No, No, it's just it's this one stings that it's

628
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: gonna hurt a great, great deal. The Browns are listen.

629
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: We've never been one in three under Kevin Stefanski uncharted territory. Yeah,

630
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: we've been two and one every year, not one in three.

631
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: And it's only getting to your point harder. You are

632
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 3: going to be an underdog. I would venture you will

633
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: be an underdog in your next four games.

634
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: You may not be favored again until November seventeenth. Maybe

635
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: I think.

636
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: It'll be favored over the chart. We'll see what they're like.

637
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: But there's nothing to say you're gonna be favored in

638
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: New Orleans.

639
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's at New Orleans. You're right, Yeah, I

640
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: don't know. Chargers will be interesting, but the rest you'll

641
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: be dogs. Yep yees.

642
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 3: Not ideal. And there are so many things wrong. Deshaun

643
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: played his best game this year. Was it still enough? No,

644
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: you got a pretty more than ten points to the quarterback,

645
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: and I know that there are things that are not

646
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: His fault could have been touchdown to Amory. The other

647
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: one would have had you wet at They're thirty on

648
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: the interception. I mean that was and that was an abs.

649
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how many times I've seen that.

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Speaker 3: I've seen ball balls go through people's hands, but to

652
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Speaker 3: say where you've seen one that gets thrown into somebody's

653
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: chest and then bounce and then pops up into the air.

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Speaker 3: They got him in a quarters coverage.

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Speaker 2: You run the deep, dig plenty of space. He puts

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Speaker 2: it right on him.

657
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: The ball hits a Mary Cooper at the thirty three,

658
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Speaker 3: pops right in the air, and they pick it off

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Speaker 3: and run it back to midfield. So do you have

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Speaker 3: it up. Yeah, can you let me. He's got a

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Speaker 3: good pocket. You get the exact look, you you get

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Speaker 3: the deep dig against the quarters. There's all the space

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Speaker 3: in there. It's a two man route where you really

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Speaker 3: got procha on the side so that he drills it

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Speaker 3: in there.

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Speaker 2: So that was kind of the Yeah, I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: the worst. It's as bad as can be. But the

668
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: only thing I was curious about is if that linebacker

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Speaker 2: who was flashing over flashed in front of his vision

670
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Speaker 2: and he just blinked and that was it, because there

671
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: was nothing else to explain it, Like, there's the guy

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Speaker 2: who comes across. Is this doing this again? It's doing

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Speaker 2: it again. Yeah, it's doing this.

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Speaker 3: It's I don't know, it's over them.

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00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that's the only thing I could think of. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's doing it. Now we're good. Now we're good.

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Speaker 3: Okay, But it was it was, yeah, it was happening

678
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Speaker 3: now that.

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Speaker 2: That's the only thing. I mean, obviously you catch it

680
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Speaker 2: a hundred times out of one hundred. The only thing

681
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Speaker 2: I could think of is if that black flash right

682
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: in front and it caused him to blink and that

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Speaker 2: was it. Because it's pretty uh inexplicable to have one

684
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: miss quite that badly on a guy who's typic and

685
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Speaker 2: he was so great the week before against New York

686
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: caught everything, So I don't know. It's one of the

687
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: look when you're not doing any of the little stuff right,

688
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: then the big things start to go against you too.

689
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: And that's a holding penalty on Nick Harris, that's a

690
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: ball bouncing off a chest that's missing an extra point

691
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: by a guy who normally doesn't. It's the management at

692
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: the end of the game, all of those things. You

693
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: don't get any of the breaks when you do all

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Speaker 2: the little things wrong. And that's that's where we're at

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Speaker 2: right now. In that spot, we'll play some great clips

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Speaker 2: of the game go around the league as well, in

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Speaker 2: which the rest of the AFC North, quite honestly, even

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Speaker 2: in a loss, all look pretty damn good and formidable.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that coming up nextualist to Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 2: Ronnie McLeod on the scoop and score.

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Speaker 7: In the fourth, Vegas has a third and one on

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Speaker 7: their own thirty three yard line with Tucker in motion.

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Speaker 3: Minshew gives to White running right, hitting the backfield, balls.

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Speaker 2: Out picked up by the Browns, picked up.

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Speaker 3: And run a down sideline Runney McCloud touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Ah. I thought we were good there when that happened,

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Speaker 2: I thought, okay, we're gonna win. Now, we're good. We'll

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Speaker 2: get it sworded out.

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Speaker 3: I did too. It was pretty dire before that moment. Yeah,

719
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Speaker 3: and then that was okay, that's a big momentum and

720
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: then it is amazing. When you missed the extra point

721
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Speaker 3: off that it does feel deflating and you say to yourself,

722
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Speaker 3: this is going to loom large.

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Speaker 2: And Dustin Hopkins, I.

724
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Speaker 3: Have so much respect for him, yep, because it is rare,

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Speaker 3: I think in today's day and age, and he is

726
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: a human being, not a robot. And he has been

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Speaker 3: phenomenal for the Cleveland Browns. We don't go to the

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Speaker 3: playoffs withou Dustin Hopkins last year, BUTO fifty six yarder

729
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: in this game, he said, I let the team down today.

730
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: He took full accountability, and I think sometimes in these

731
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: situations that's very number one refreshing and it's also something

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Speaker 3: that is very easy to respect that he's taking that

733
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Speaker 3: kind of accountability.

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Speaker 2: But it loomed very, very large. Again.

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Speaker 3: I kind of I thought that final sequence. I was

736
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 3: either hoping on third and sixteen that we either incomplete

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Speaker 3: pass or we got a first down or a touchdown,

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Speaker 3: or we got sacked.

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00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: Whatever it was not a sack. I want to either

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Speaker 2: clock to stop it.

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00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: We don't get it, kick a field goal, you kick off,

742
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: you have three timeouts, they're going to run it and

743
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: then maybe on third down they're going to try to

744
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: pass for the game and you just have to stop them.

745
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: And then getting field goal range. Again, it was ugh.

746
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: It's just such a tough loss, and these things they matter.

747
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: That's why that's why the NFL is so great. Your

748
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: point is a little bit different now. And we obviously

749
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: saw an incredible game between Alabama and Georgia. Yeah, Georgia

750
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 3: could still very easily be the national champion.

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00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they their margin for air is thin. They they

752
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: probably can take on one more loss.

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00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: One more.

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Speaker 2: It's even different than it was. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah

755
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 2: that that three years ago, before the twelve team playoff,

756
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: the SEC would not have scheduled that game, like they

757
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't have so because of the twelfth team playoff, they

758
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: can and this is stunning. Yeah, truly it really. It

759
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: was not as entertaining as you could be.

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Speaker 3: It was funny when Georgia scored at the end. We

761
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: were at we were all at a corporate dinner. I

762
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: was like, I think they scored too fast, and then

763
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: it was one play right back the other way, like

764
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: I think maybe out, maybe they scored too fast.

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Speaker 2: I tweeted the same thing. I said, it feels like

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Speaker 2: Georgia is gonna win. Thirty three thirty whatever it was.

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Speaker 2: I think final scoring up? What forty forty one thirty three?

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, it was forty one thirty No

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Speaker 2: it was yeah, forty one thirty three. No, no, forty

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Speaker 2: one thirty four because it was seven, And I said,

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Speaker 2: I think George is gonna gonna win this game. Like

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Speaker 2: thirty four, thirty five to thirty four, and then they

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Speaker 2: scored and they went ahead, and then I was like, well,

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Speaker 2: I think they're gonna win this game forty two, forty one,

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00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: and then they didn't. But it was you would have

776
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: believed it if they did, of course, because it was

777
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 2: one play. It was like the NCAA video game, one

778
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: one after another. But yeah, so like there is the

779
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: margin for air there that there.

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Speaker 3: Was right now in the NFL losing games that you

781
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: should win. Yeah, I have real consequences. One in three

782
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: teams that start the season one and three have I

783
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 3: think a thirteen percent chance of making the postseason. Teams

784
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: started the seem the season two and two it was

785
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Speaker 3: like forty percent, and then three and one it was,

786
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: you know, right around fifty or a little above. So

787
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Speaker 3: I mean it's a significant difference to be one and

788
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: three and try to make the playoffs.

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00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the the other. So this is a team

790
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 2: that's the bar. That's the bar, I mean, this is this.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, it's hard to imagine that now the

792
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: way that we're the way that everything's.

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Speaker 2: Going and looks a long season. The next five games,

794
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: it's very difficult. Some things are going to change fundamentally.

795
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: I do think that the number one positive uh, if

796
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: you're looking for one ninder stand that that's looking is

797
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: I do think this is the best that Watson played.

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Speaker 2: I think honestly he responded to Christian Wilkins kind of

799
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: jawing with him and seeing his towel and all of that.

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Speaker 2: I think he kind of like gave him some juice.

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Speaker 3: And those they both were at Clemson. I think there

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00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: are some people that didn't Oh they didn't know that

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00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: connect Oh. I saw a lot of people being like,

804
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: why is this guy messing up?

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00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, they were. He talked about it last week.

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00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: It is availability. Yeah, they go way back. So I

807
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: think that that helped him. I think kind of get

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00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: going a little bit. And the one thing that I

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00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: was going to say about colleges is we'ren't essentially in

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Speaker 2: a spot that a two lost college football team would

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Speaker 2: be in now with the twelve team playoff. The difference

812
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: is is that those college teams, if you win a

813
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: rivalry game at the end, it's a successful season. There

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00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: are no moral victories in the National Football League. If

815
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Speaker 2: this team fails to reach the postseason, it will be

816
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: a failure. Yes, there are college teams that if they

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Speaker 2: failed to make the twelve team playoff, they'll still go

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Speaker 2: to a bowl game. They can still beat their rival

819
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: in the last game. There's there's joy that's out there.

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00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: There's no joy in Mudville at one in three, and

821
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: there's no there's no easy fix to it. There's no

822
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 2: consolation prize. You have one job, make the playoffs. That's

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Speaker 2: the job, and it's much more daunting where we are

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Speaker 2: now juxtaposed especially to what we saw yesterday in the NFL.

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00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: We'll do full around the NFL tomorrow. But you had

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati go down to Carolina and cover, handle their business

827
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: and cover. They get down huge early and battle like crazy.

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00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: Flacco played really well in reserve and justin fields is

829
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: an NFL quarterback in that system. Of course, he can

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00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: throw it everywhere. It's every by the way, it's I'm

831
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: not happy about it because of where he's playing. But

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Speaker 2: you and I were right about him at the combine.

833
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Speaker 2: Of course, everyone kept saying he's no good. We're like, no,

834
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Speaker 2: I think he is good. I think he is good,

835
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Speaker 2: and it turns out he is.

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Speaker 3: It's completely I was going through its completion percentage increased

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Speaker 3: every year in the league. All the things you wanted

838
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: to see were there. And he's incredibly dangerous his legs.

839
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 3: I'm third down inside the red zone, they don't have

840
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Speaker 3: somebody spy and he just runs it in every time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So they fought all the way back and had

842
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 2: a chance to beat the Colts, who played a really

843
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: good first half of football.

844
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Speaker 3: By the way, I think they are a more dangerous

845
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 3: offense with Corderill Patterson at running back than they are

846
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Speaker 3: with anybody else.

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Speaker 2: There's no question about that. They didn't have Jalen Warren

848
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Speaker 2: in this game, but like Nase's nothing cordelled. Yeah he did,

849
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: he did. Yeah, they had one call back too. They

850
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: really could have won the game. Pickings had it inside

851
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: the five and he reached his hand out and fumbled.

852
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: They really could have won that football game. And then

853
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: Baltimore on Sunday Night football against the bed As. They're

854
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: one great team. It felt like it was Buffalo through

855
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: three games. And I'm not saying that they're not now,

856
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: but all of it just the blackout. First play goes

857
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Speaker 2: eighty seven yards, Like sometimes the NFL, when it just

858
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: starts to not go your way, it starts to not

859
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: go your way, and that was the case last night.

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Speaker 2: But even everything Todd was doing with Lamar was terrifying

861
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: to me, not just the fact that they got Derrick

862
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Speaker 2: Henry going, but also like all of the stuff that

863
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Speaker 2: he was doing, all this stuff I've never seen them

864
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Speaker 2: do before, where they would you like the pump, he'd

865
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: pump it and then he'd hand it underneath, and the

866
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: justice silky canon like Darren Sprals, he's wearing forty three

867
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: like all of his ads up. So they look terrifying.

868
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: So not only are you off to a bad start,

869
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: everybody else in the division is now off, is now righted.

870
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: What's crazy to me about that game is Hill was

871
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: their leading receiver six catches for seventy eight yards. Mark

872
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: Andrews had one target, no catches. Zay Flowers had one

873
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: catch for ten yards. Like it's such an odd statlane

874
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: whar I was thirteen to eighteen for one hundred and

875
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: fifty six. They ran for two hundred and seventy one

876
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 3: yards in the game. Derrick Henry, when people and I'd

877
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 3: said earlier, what is there? How much better of a

878
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: rushing team does he make them? I still don't think

879
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: fundamentally they're all that different. But what he does give

880
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: them that Gus Edwards did not is the ability to

881
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: have an eighty seven yard touchdown and he still can

882
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: do it, which is.

883
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 2: Incredible someone that big, this far into a gold jacket

884
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: career moving like that, not being able to be caught

885
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: by defensive backs in the NFL and fact pulling away

886
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: from them. That is thanos stuff.

887
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: He hit like twenty one miles an hour.

888
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, as soon as you knew he was gone and

889
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: no one got near him. No, that's just ran, that's it.

890
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 3: He can still, he can, he can what he gives them, No, yeah, yeah,

891
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 3: he's a home run hitter there, and they're also they're

892
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 3: a very they are and it's always been true, but

893
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 3: they're an incredibly dangerous front running team. So the best

894
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: for US front runners in the NFL, especially now with him,

895
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: because now they can hit you both ways with it. Honestly,

896
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: Lamar fumbled going into the going into half that would

897
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: have at ree yep, and he fumbled and then Buffalo

898
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: gave it back on it.

899
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: He gave it well and Keon Coleman dropped the ball

900
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: that was down there. But it was either way, the

901
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 2: right team won based on the way those two teams played.

902
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: So your division is what your division is. There's a

903
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: lot of uneven play in the league. We're not the

904
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: only ones. We're just the worst of it, I mean,

905
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of it.

906
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 3: Tampa looks dreadful and gets smoked by Denver and then

907
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 3: comes out and annihilates Dude.

908
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: It was like Bake was playing again. Texas Tech.

909
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: They had at one point there was they had two

910
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty five yards of offense and this was

911
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: like early in the second quarter. Yep, and Philly had

912
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: zero yep, zero zero.

913
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: I've watched it was one of the games I had

914
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: on in the early window zero. It's crazy Minnesota Green Bay.

915
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 3: While the final says thirty one to twenty nine, for

916
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: the majority of that game was not that close. Weren't

917
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: they have twenty eight nothing?

918
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 2: It's twenty eight nothing. And I told you, I said,

919
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: I think if Malik Willis plays, they win. Because Love

920
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: turned it over. He did three times. Yeah, at least

921
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: he threw.

922
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: What no I think he had was that he had

923
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: four touchdowns and three picks and he had three pick.

924
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah he's the first, Uh, he's the the last. Green

925
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: Bay quarterback to do that was Brett Favre and he.

926
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: Wore his d wars a game. It's appropriate.

927
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 3: How about the Jets losing putting up nine points.

928
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: Dude at one point bo Nix was I looked up

929
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 2: and he was three of nine for negative negative yards. Yep, yeah,

930
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: I think he finished like fifty yards passing. Yeah, they

931
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: hit New York and one.

932
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 3: They had sixty yards passing. Courtland Sutton had sixty yards

933
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: passing and one, two, three, four, five, six other people

934
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: caught passes that net it zero yards one dub.

935
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of weird ball around the league.

936
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: We should uh mention the passing of to Kemba Matumba idea.

937
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: He was mean either. It came on my phone.

938
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: I was talking with ass and I was like, oh

939
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 3: my god, He's like what I'm like the Kenya Matumbo.

940
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 2: He's like, what happened? Like he's dead? Yeah, brain cancer.

941
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 3: Live your life, folks, Well you got to look get

942
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: bogged down in a nonsense. Do all the things you

943
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: want to do, you want.

944
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: With the people you want to do it with, and

945
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: that's it. Time's the only commodity you can't get more of.

946
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: I think of him in ninety four when they were

947
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: the eight seed and beat the Sonics, who are the

948
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: one holding the ball? First eight seed to ever beat

949
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,479
Speaker 2: a one. Yep was that? And then this, Oh yeah,

950
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: that's it. Yeah, he was a dude. He was a

951
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: Dude's a few other moments too, but there were there's

952
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 2: a lot, but I mean yeah, yeah, but he brightened

953
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Speaker 2: a room. He I did. Yeah, and he did.

954
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 7: He did a ton for basketball overseas and yep in

955
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Speaker 7: his home country.

956
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983
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Speaker 2: Keep it Twisted, Cleveland. I want to have fun. First.

984
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: Hold first, how is october festof.

985
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 8: Baby. Let me tell you, october Fest was everything and more.

986
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 8: I really didn't expect to see the level of debauchery

987
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 8: from all age groups. I mean, from the little kids

988
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 8: that have been foolish to like sixty seven year old adults.

989
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 8: It was great. I think it was so cool because

990
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 8: it was such like a melting pot of ages and cultures. Apparently,

991
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 8: the weekend that I was there, which is the second weekend,

992
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 8: considered like Italian weekend where like everybody from Italy comes

993
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 8: up and celebrate, so like a quarter of the crowd

994
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 8: was like rambunctious Italians that couldn't hold their liquor, which

995
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 8: was a direct quote from the security director at Augustiner,

996
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 8: who happened to also be our special teams coach. He said, yeah,

997
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 8: I had to break a lot of fights this weekend

998
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 8: because it's Italian weekend, and you know what happened. They

999
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 8: can't hold their booths and they always get in fights.

1000
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 8: But it was so much fun. It was an incredible

1001
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 8: like experience for me to be there with a bunch

1002
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 8: of the guys that I coached and some of my

1003
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 8: coaches Germans that I think made the experience probably a

1004
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 8: little different than if I would have just gone over

1005
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 8: there with some of my buddies from the States, because

1006
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 8: you really could like feel the passion and the culture

1007
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 8: when they're singing some of these folks songs in German

1008
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 8: that they've been kids, and it was it was amazing.

1009
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,479
Speaker 8: At least that's what they tell me. I don't remember

1010
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 8: a whole lot. I'm home, someone in pieces but still alive,

1011
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 8: and it was amazing. Highly recommend anybody if you get

1012
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 8: an opportunity to go out there, to definitely experience October

1013
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 8: test or the Vision as they call it, because you

1014
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 8: will not forget it. It will be a joyous experience for sure.

1015
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 3: Half when you when you were in you know, across

1016
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 3: the pond for as long as you were, you come back,

1017
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 3: you go back. How were you received upon return? Were

1018
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: people as joyous for your good times as we are?

1019
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1020
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 8: It was great, you know, because I talked to the

1021
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 8: guys during the season about, hey, you know, after the season,

1022
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 8: week after the championship game, I got a couple of tables,

1023
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 8: We're gonna go to VSA together and just kind of

1024
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 8: celebrate the season. You know, at the time, we'rely thinking

1025
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 8: hopefully we'll celebrate a championship, but if not, it'll be

1026
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 8: our last chance to you know, say goodbye. And so

1027
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 8: I missed like the end of the year get together.

1028
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 8: They had, you know, kind of a get together meeting,

1029
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 8: I think a couple of guys hung out or whatever.

1030
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 8: But I was already home at that point, and so

1031
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 8: it was really fun to have a little bit of

1032
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 8: space from the end of our season, because when you

1033
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 8: don't end up as champions, there's some sadness, some disappointment.

1034
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 8: Of course, that takes a little bit of time to

1035
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 8: get through before you can properly respect and appreciate the

1036
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 8: great season and the fun times that we did have

1037
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 8: and the relationships and the memories. And so I think

1038
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 8: it was perfect to have a couple of weeks after

1039
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 8: our season had ended to really get back over there,

1040
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 8: get together, have all the guys come out, and you know,

1041
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 8: just kind of celebrate all these new relationships and great

1042
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 8: experiences that we shared together.

1043
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: I was I had no doubt that you would be

1044
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 3: well received upon returning to Germany. I was more concerned

1045
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: with the reception once your return back to America after

1046
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: going back to Germany for more fun.

1047
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: That's more what I was curious about Yeah.

1048
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, I got the silent treatment, which was probably good

1049
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 8: when I got home because I didn't want to tuck

1050
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 8: to anybody. When I got it, I was still hurting

1051
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 8: a bit.

1052
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: I love it. Well, listen, thank you for making us

1053
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: laugh and bringing us.

1054
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: Joy because all we needed we needed it because, as

1055
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: you know, the things are not very joyous right here

1056
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: right now. One in three, another disappointing loss, death by

1057
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 3: a thousand cuts. Again, little things becoming big things. What

1058
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 3: do you make of this Brown seam and how can

1059
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 3: we turn this around?

1060
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 8: Well, I'll start with a little bit of positive. After

1061
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 8: watching that game, I thought that Brown's been a better

1062
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 8: job at least eliminating some of their penalties. You know,

1063
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 8: that was something that really hurt us so much in

1064
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 8: the first few games, was having penalties on first down

1065
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 8: and then you're just getting behind the sticks, and then

1066
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 8: your quarterback presses and he's not taking easy throws. He's

1067
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 8: trying to get the ball on the field to make

1068
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 8: up some of the lost yardage. So at least they

1069
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 8: were able to reduce the penalties. I thought from a

1070
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 8: protection scheme standpoint, it seemed like they did some more

1071
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 8: seven man protections a little bit more play action to

1072
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 8: give to Shawn a little bit more time and more

1073
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 8: importantly space in the pocket. You know, he's a guy

1074
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 8: that he's not Tom Brady. He's not two steps and

1075
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 8: throw the ball right. That's not where he's at his best.

1076
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 8: That's not who he is. And so I thought Dorsey

1077
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 8: did a nice job calling a few more of the

1078
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 8: seven man protections where he has space. They were trying

1079
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 8: to push the ball on the field, but if the

1080
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 8: throws aren't there, he can at least find space to

1081
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 8: scram we'll get out extend to play. And I thought

1082
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 8: that benefited us a lot. And it seemed like DeShawn

1083
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 8: was more confident, because my final maybe bright moment was

1084
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 8: it seemed like DeShawn played better. He was more decisive,

1085
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 8: seemed more confident, was more in command. And I think

1086
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 8: we all know that this team's going to go as

1087
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 8: far as the quarterback's going to take us. And he

1088
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 8: had not played well at all to start the season.

1089
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 8: But you're seeing improvement. You're seeing some of the things

1090
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 8: that you know he was doing when he was in Houston,

1091
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 8: throwing the ball down the field, but also just taking

1092
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 8: some easy throws when they're there. You know, not every

1093
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 8: playoffs to be scramble around and throw a big touchdown.

1094
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 8: So I was happy that he made some progress in

1095
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 8: the game. And you know, I think you're feeling a

1096
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 8: little bit differently about things. Had Amari caught one of

1097
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 8: those throws that bounced off his chest and turned in

1098
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 8: an interception, or the ticky tack holding on Nick Harris

1099
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 8: that went for a huge touchdown like that can kind

1100
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 8: of change the game. You know, certainly, I think you

1101
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 8: win the game if if either those two things that happened.

1102
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 8: And certainly you don't expect a Mari to catch an

1103
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 8: eat or to drop an easy catch that's in his chest,

1104
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 8: and in the NFL, you don't expect the holding call

1105
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 8: that Nick Harris got called for to be called for holding.

1106
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 8: So we feel a little bit differently if those things happen.

1107
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 8: Obviously it didn't, so now we feel a certain type

1108
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 8: of way today. But I think when you do have

1109
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 8: a chance to just sit back and say, all right,

1110
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 8: did our quarterback play better? Is he making the progress

1111
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 8: we need? I think you could at least be positive

1112
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 8: about the steps that he took in that game and

1113
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 8: the feel that Dorsey has call in the game for

1114
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 8: him huf.

1115
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: What did you use the word tiki tac to describe

1116
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: the Nick Harris hold? What did you make of that

1117
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: in real time? And then once you saw the replay

1118
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: in terms of the call, the timing of the call,

1119
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: all of it.

1120
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, obviously the timing of the call makes

1121
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 8: you more furious because he was not beat So in

1122
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 8: the NFL, holding is blocking and it's not called as

1123
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 8: a penalty in the rule books until the defensive player

1124
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 8: beats your feet, so he's getted outside of the framework

1125
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 8: for your body, restricting him from trying to get where

1126
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 8: he wants to go. Momentary restriction is just part of

1127
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 8: the game, right Unless you're just clearly beat bad and

1128
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 8: you just grab them, that's something. But when you're blocking

1129
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 8: somebody and all of a sudden the quarterback starts to

1130
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 8: step up or leaves the pocket you have to have,

1131
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 8: and they give you split second to be able to

1132
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 8: let go or to move your feet to readjust before

1133
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 8: it considers it's considered a hold. And I didn't think

1134
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 8: after watching that that Nickaros did anything that should have

1135
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 8: been called for holding in that situation. And I guess

1136
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 8: I'm not entirely clear on how the Sky judge is

1137
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 8: working right now in the NFL. I know there's been

1138
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 8: times I'm listening to games when they say, oh, you know,

1139
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 8: upon further review or we heard from New York or whatever,

1140
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 8: like Okay, it should have been a penalty or it shouldn't.

1141
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 8: But I just wish in a moment like that, especially

1142
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 8: with so much on the line, with a potential touchdown

1143
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 8: or a pending touchdown, that somebody could have seen that

1144
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 8: review before the rep made the call and said that

1145
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 8: does not deserve a holding called and it's too important

1146
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 8: to miss in that situation.

1147
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 3: In the game, y, it's a brutal one, honestly for

1148
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: the Browns, and that was something I would say that

1149
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: penalty stood out, But there were still recurring themes for

1150
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 3: the Browns as well. And I'm curious, what are you

1151
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: seeing that is causing the problems with twists and stunts,

1152
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: because every game teams are getting free runners at the

1153
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 3: Browns because of those twists and those stunts.

1154
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: What are you seeing?

1155
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 8: All right? So there's two theories of pass protection. There

1156
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 8: is the old Howard Mudd pass blocking theory, where when

1157
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 8: he was coaching for Indianapolis Colts for all those years

1158
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 8: with Peyton Manning where he wants everybody to set flat.

1159
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 8: All the offensive linemen are flat and firm, because the

1160
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 8: quarterbacks is going to get the ball. He may take

1161
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 8: one step in the pocket, but he's only going to

1162
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 8: be about six yards deep and then he's going to

1163
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 8: operate and he's probably gonna get rid of it quickly.

1164
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 8: But we want the pocket to be pretty much at

1165
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 8: the line of scrimmage. And if guys want to run

1166
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 8: around outside or run twisting games, that's fine. They won't

1167
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 8: get there with enough time. Then there's the different philosophy.

1168
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 8: But I'll just say, like maybe the Norb Turner, because

1169
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 8: that was one of the offenses I played in, where

1170
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 8: your quarterbacks is going to take five to seven steps

1171
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 8: on a lot of the protections. Whether he's under center

1172
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 8: in the gun, he's going to be about nine yards deep,

1173
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 8: and so you are looking for a narrow pocket, but

1174
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 8: it's going to be a lot deeper. So everybody sets

1175
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 8: back further. Your tackle's vertically set, they keep their shoulders square,

1176
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 8: and you're building instead of a short and wide pocket,

1177
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 8: you're building a long and narrow pocket. And because the

1178
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 8: tackles aren't gaining any width, they obviously can't gain width

1179
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 8: in the pocket, but they are giving you a much

1180
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 8: better ability to prevent stunts and twists, because when you

1181
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 8: get a sumthing twists, typically it's when the defensive tackle

1182
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 8: penetrates in the B gap, which is between the guard

1183
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 8: and the tackle, and he's able to pick the hip,

1184
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 8: and then the defensive then loops around, and then now

1185
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 8: it's a two on one on the guard if your

1186
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 8: center is sliding in that direction. As I was a

1187
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 8: left tackle, I always think of it from my perspective,

1188
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 8: center's going left. Well, now the guard can stay on

1189
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 8: the defensive tackle even if he picks the tackle's hip,

1190
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 8: and the looping defense then now gets picked up by

1191
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 8: the center who's just sliding over, assuming there's no linebacker

1192
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 8: that's blitzing in his Yeah. But the problem is DeShawn

1193
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 8: is a narrow and deep pocket guy right because it

1194
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 8: gets the ball, he drops back deep. He likes to

1195
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 8: be able to see the field like that. He hangs

1196
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 8: onto the ball a little bit longer than you're telling

1197
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 8: Peyton Manning type guys. But the problem is our tackles

1198
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 8: are setting with too much width and they're turning their

1199
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 8: shoulders too much, and so they're getting the picked by

1200
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 8: those defensive tackles too consistently, and no matter what the

1201
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 8: guards are trying to do to be able to protect

1202
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 8: the hip of the offensive tackle, because they're not saying

1203
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 8: square and they're not being vertical, they're just continually getting

1204
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 8: picked and then the pocket gets collapsed because there's not

1205
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 8: any firmness as the guards they're trying to take two

1206
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 8: guys at the same time, and so it's a fundamental

1207
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 8: flaw in how their technique is and it reflects back

1208
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 8: of the fact that we're down. I mean, both of

1209
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 8: our starters are gone. Dwan Jones, Yes, I agree. Like

1210
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 8: what you said last time. You know what I mean,

1211
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 8: you're basically down to tackle three and a half and

1212
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 8: four and it's tough for anybody in the NFL. And

1213
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 8: that's not excusing the poor performance, but it's really hurting us.

1214
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 8: And you saw it again this week.

1215
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: So the thing is, nothing's going to change on that front.

1216
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: Probably it's hard to get healthy in the middle of

1217
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: the season. Why it's out for a while, Posik. We'll

1218
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: hear from coach here in a half hour to see

1219
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: where Ethan is on that, and who knows With Jed

1220
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: and Jack obviously not looking good based on what we

1221
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: had last week. So now that we know all of

1222
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: those things and those are finite off, how do you

1223
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 2: win football games?

1224
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 8: Like?

1225
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: What would you do offensively to get this team to

1226
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: score twenty points in a game we scored just one

1227
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: offensive touchdown against an Oakland team that give up thirty

1228
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: some the week before to Carolina.

1229
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 8: Right, Well, we talked about it, you know, emphasizing and

1230
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 8: running the ball more, which we didn't do, which I'm

1231
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 8: still wondering why, because the times we did run the ball,

1232
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 8: we were fairly efficient. And the other thing is like,

1233
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 8: it's not like we're throwing the ball and scoring a

1234
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 8: ton of points passing, And I get our long term success,

1235
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 8: like we talked last week, long term success is going

1236
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 8: to be Deshaun throwing the ball, Like I get it.

1237
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 8: But in the interm, you're down, you're starting tackles. The

1238
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 8: two backups that they're in there, one guy's not playing well,

1239
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 8: the other guy's hurt and not playing well, and so

1240
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 8: it's really hard to put a lot on their plate

1241
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 8: by throwing the ball a lot. But I think one thing, Dorsey,

1242
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 8: those seven man protections, the problem is you can't just

1243
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 8: sit with only three receivers in their routes all the time.

1244
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,439
Speaker 8: And so I think, to me, the answer is seven

1245
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 8: man protections like we did, play action like we did,

1246
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 8: but you have to sprinkle in more runs. You can't

1247
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 8: just say, okay, our answer is seven man protections because

1248
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 8: they're easy to beat. Like, okay, they're running seven man protections. Well,

1249
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 8: we're just going to blitz to the tight end and

1250
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 8: the running back because now those guys are one on

1251
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 8: one and we're going to get home because you're probably

1252
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 8: running deeper routes when you have a seven man protection.

1253
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 8: So I think you just need to sprinkle in more runs.

1254
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 8: You can't just dominate team.

1255
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: It's frustrating. And we're struggling to run the ball too,

1256
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 3: which is another problem. Right we're not even getting a

1257
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 3: yard down the field before our running backs are taking

1258
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 3: contact this season, and that is that's very tough to

1259
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 3: deal with. And then speaking of run, you flip it

1260
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: around half. The Raiders were the worst rush team in

1261
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 3: the NFL coming in this game. They rushed for as

1262
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 3: many yards against the Browns in Week four as they

1263
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 3: had rushed for in weeks one through three combined. How

1264
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 3: do you make sense of that and what's kind of

1265
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 3: the defense still has been good, but it has not

1266
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: been thought it was going to be coming off of

1267
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 3: last season.

1268
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, two big problems right now with the defense in

1269
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 8: this game. One, they weren't setting the edge right. So

1270
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 8: the penn and polls, the outside runs, the tosses, the

1271
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 8: sweeps like they were really hurting us a lot because

1272
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 8: we don't have people that are setting the edge and

1273
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 8: a lot of times that falls on you're safe and

1274
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 8: you're outside backers, right. Those are the guys that got

1275
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 8: to recognize when they are getting an outside rund of

1276
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 8: those pin pull type concepts and they got to blow

1277
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 8: it up. It's Tomakazi mode. From their standpoint, You've got

1278
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 8: to go in there, even if you're not making the tackle.

1279
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 8: You've got to knock one of the blockers off. If

1280
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 8: that guard is pulling or center or tackle is pulling

1281
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 8: like you've got to smash somebody. And you've got to

1282
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 8: create a pile to slow down the running back, force

1283
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 8: him the bubble his arc to try to get around

1284
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 8: that little car crash that happens, and then you've got

1285
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 8: time for the rest of your defense to pursue. But

1286
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 8: if you don't have anybody that's flowing down those pin polls.

1287
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 8: And we've seen it for a long time because whyatt

1288
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 8: Teller is one of the best in the league, and

1289
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 8: we are really really good at doing that. You know,

1290
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 8: as soon as you get that running back outside of

1291
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 8: where that tackle box is and he's got his shoulders

1292
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 8: downhill like that is a really really hard play to

1293
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 8: stop at that point because now he can run it

1294
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 8: up in the alley, straight up the field, he can

1295
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 8: cut back, he can go outside, but he is running

1296
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 8: straight and he's a big, fat man, and all your

1297
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 8: tacklers now are coming in and trying to tackle on

1298
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 8: an angle, which, as anybody that's taken mass class, like

1299
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 8: when you start adding co signs and five and stuff like,

1300
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 8: you're losing power, you're losing your force when you're coming

1301
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 8: in and trying to tackle somebody on an angle. And

1302
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 8: so I think slowing that down with better edge setters

1303
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 8: on the outside is really really going to be key

1304
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 8: and then better tackling, right, And that's the other thing,

1305
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 8: like when you get those guys in the outside, you've

1306
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 8: got to be able to wrap up. You can't think

1307
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 8: in that moment when this guy's on the outside of

1308
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 8: come in there with my shoulder to the old Romeo canal.

1309
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 8: You used to say, we don't want any block tackles.

1310
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 8: Don't go in there and block them, put your arms

1311
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 8: around them, put your head in front, wrap them up,

1312
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 8: and then the second guy can come in and try

1313
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 8: to force a turnover. I know that the defense hasn't

1314
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 8: forced many turnovers this season, and so that's probably been

1315
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 8: an emphasis from Jim Schwartz, like, hey, let's get the

1316
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 8: ball back. But the first guy.

1317
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 2: Can't do that.

1318
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 8: It's got to be the second guy that's coming in.

1319
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 8: Wrap up with the first guy. Second guy come in,

1320
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 8: try to punch the ball out.

1321
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 3: Get twenty three misstackles the last two weeks. I mean,

1322
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 3: you can't play. You can't play that way.

1323
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we uh hof. We wrote this down like z

1324
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: Setter on the broadcast, and I wrote it down in

1325
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: our first segment, like blocking and tackling, that's third grade.

1326
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: Can't block, you can't tackle. You can't beat anybody.

1327
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 3: At any level, at any level.

1328
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 2: No, it's the two first things.

1329
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: You teach.

1330
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 8: Bad fun on the als.

1331
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It's it's across the board. How do

1332
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 2: you obviously you know the the operation here the idea

1333
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: was go make the postseason, make the playoffs, get in

1334
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: a vision, go in the division. All of those things

1335
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: were kind of the things we're thinking at one and three.

1336
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: That's a tall task. How do you get this train

1337
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: back on the tracks? You're staring down Washington, Philly, Cincinnati, Baltimore, LA.

1338
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: Those your next five before the bye week. How do

1339
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 2: you if you're Kevin Stefanski, you're Jim Schwartz, how do

1340
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 2: you get the train back on the tracks? Here?

1341
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 8: I think you go back and emphasize the basics. Like

1342
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 8: we said, what's been the problems, blocking, tackling, catching the ball?

1343
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 8: And I think what you hope is that the stress,

1344
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 8: the anxiety that all gets ratcheted up. You know, it

1345
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 8: obviously starts from within as a player, but it comes

1346
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 8: also from your coaches letting them know how important every

1347
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 8: single detail that you do during the week is, because

1348
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 8: you're going to get what you emphasize. You can't emphasize everything,

1349
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 8: but you can emphasize a few things and you're going

1350
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 8: to get some of that. And I think when you

1351
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 8: do ratchet up that stress in that building, which certainly

1352
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 8: it will be because of where you are and where

1353
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 8: your expectations were you're going to get a higher level

1354
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 8: of focus from those guys and scheme changes like we

1355
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 8: talked about, you know, just emphasize running the ball a

1356
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 8: little bit more. Even if we feel like our long

1357
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 8: term success is going to be thrown it, we still

1358
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 8: have to have more runs that are going to be

1359
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 8: getting called. We need to ratchet up the intensity of

1360
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 8: the practices and the focus, and the players need to understand, Hey,

1361
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 8: this is kind of like make or break part of

1362
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,439
Speaker 8: the season. You're not out of it by any means.

1363
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 8: I mean, you're one in three, but the division is

1364
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 8: not going to be won by somebody that's you know,

1365
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 8: thirteen and four. There's going to be ten wins, eleven

1366
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 8: wins maybe win the division. So it's not like it's over.

1367
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 8: But you haven't played well enough right now to be

1368
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 8: some poor teams. So what's it like now when you're

1369
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 8: going to start playing some really really good teams. Can

1370
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 8: you raise your level of intensity and find a way

1371
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 8: to be the best version of yourself here as you

1372
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 8: have a much tougher stretch coming up.

1373
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 3: In some ways though, and this is I don't know

1374
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 3: bo if you agree with this or not, but I

1375
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 3: thought if we were going to see a team that

1376
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 3: was able to kind of flip the switch, rash up

1377
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 3: the intensity, not take anyone, likely we would have seen

1378
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 3: it this week coming off of a very disappointing home

1379
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,919
Speaker 3: loss to the Giants, and you got up ten nothing

1380
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 3: in this game against a Raiders team that was without

1381
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 3: its two best players and didn't win. It was almost

1382
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 3: like they kind of let up a little bit. I

1383
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 3: don't know what it is, but I would have thought

1384
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 3: we would have seen a team that was going to say,

1385
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 3: after that Giants game, Okay, we got to go take

1386
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 3: care of our business, and we didn't see that.

1387
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, you got a team that got challenged by their

1388
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 8: head coach after their game saying, hey, they're going to

1389
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 8: start making business decisions. So you knew that they were

1390
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 8: going to be ready and you felt like they were

1391
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 8: going to ratch up their intensity. But you also expected

1392
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 8: the Browns to do the same thing coming off that

1393
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 8: Giants when they didn't. They started well, right, hey beautiful,

1394
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 8: you go down the field right off the bat, you

1395
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 8: get up ten zero, but then it's like they let

1396
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 8: the gas off, and I don't know. Sometimes you wonder, right,

1397
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 8: is that because of youth and experience is because they

1398
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 8: don't understand the level of intensity and focus you have

1399
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 8: to have throughout the game. You know, maybe there's nobody

1400
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 8: in the offensive side or the defensive side that helping

1401
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 8: with that leadership, that motivation, that inspiration that some guys

1402
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 8: need from play to play, But they definitely are not

1403
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 8: playing sixty minutes of focused, intense football the way a

1404
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 8: team that should be extremely hungry to save their season

1405
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 8: needs to.

1406
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,479
Speaker 2: How do you make sense of this league?

1407
01:06:58,520 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 8: Off?

1408
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 2: I saw we get of course, we get Washington this week,

1409
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at this. Before the season, we said, okay,

1410
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: rookie quarterback, our defense, we should be able to handle

1411
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 2: our business. Jane Daniels through his first four NFL starts

1412
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 2: eighty two point one percent completion percentage. That's the best ever,

1413
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 2: not by a rookie Hoff ever Enning or Brady or

1414
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: Breeze or anybody who was great. No one has completed

1415
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: that percentage of passes through their first four games. How

1416
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 2: do you make sense of this?

1417
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 8: Well, I guess I can't. The great thing about the NFL,

1418
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 8: the thing I love about it, the reason it's the

1419
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 8: most popular sport league by far in North America and

1420
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 8: it's becoming maybe the most popular league in the world

1421
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 8: is because of the parody. You don't get that in

1422
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 8: any other league. Like the teams that you think are

1423
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 8: going to think, all of a sudden, they get one

1424
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 8: or two players, maybe a new coach, the new wrinkle

1425
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 8: here there, and they're playing lights out. They're like nobody

1426
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 8: would have expected the Commanders to do anything going into

1427
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 8: the season. We thought they were just trash and even

1428
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 8: look look at what the Panthers did, Like everybody was

1429
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 8: kind of laughing at them, like they were clowns that

1430
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 8: deserved to be in college football. All of a sudden,

1431
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 8: they put Andy Dalton in there, and they're winning games

1432
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 8: they didn't win last week, but playing very competitive down

1433
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 8: the stretch. And so it's just so competitive and equal

1434
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 8: from top to bottom that the tiniest are the difference

1435
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 8: between winning and losing. And then all of a sudden,

1436
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 8: you gain a little confidence in what you're doing with

1437
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 8: the Commanders right now, and they're rolling, i mean forty

1438
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 8: two to fourteen over the Cardinals. Now, we don't think

1439
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 8: the Cardinals are great, but Cardinals might go around and

1440
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 8: they might be the Chiefs next weekend. Not that they're

1441
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 8: playing the Chiefs. You get what I'm saying, like, it's

1442
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 8: a league that's just full of parody, and I think

1443
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 8: for players to realize that, you know, this is not

1444
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 8: the old NCAA College FOOTBA anymore where you can kind

1445
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 8: of kick walk through the season and you're going to

1446
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 8: have a few hard games. Legitimately every week you think

1447
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 8: you know who the bombs are. There is no bombs

1448
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 8: in the NFL. You've got to be ready every single

1449
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 8: time you line up to be playing absolutely your best

1450
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 8: football or you're gonna get beet.

1451
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 3: Corey Bojorquez on Sunday punted the ball five times for

1452
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 3: three hundred and sixteen yards sixty three average fifty net.

1453
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 3: By the way, came in the game leading the league

1454
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 3: in punting yardage. I'm sure he is still the leader.

1455
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 2: In punting yards.

1456
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. The punter for the Washington Commanders has punted once

1457
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 3: in the last three games.

1458
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 2: That had to happen in this one too.

1459
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 3: Happened in this one because he did not previous too,

1460
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 3: so they were one punt away. I think they had

1461
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 3: a turnover as well. So there are two possessions that

1462
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 3: didn't end in scores the previous two games. Every possession

1463
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 3: ended in the score.

1464
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 2: This is being done by a quarterback who when he

1465
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 2: left Arizona State nobody was sure he could play the position,

1466
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 2: being orchestrated by a coach who was somehow stumbled into

1467
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 2: the job of Arizona Cardinals head coach with Kyler and

1468
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 2: was thrown out from that point on. But the two

1469
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 2: of them see the game the same way, and you.

1470
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 3: Have this improbable marriage and Dan and dan Quinn tread.

1471
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that's wild.

1472
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's cool, And I think maybe one of the

1473
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 8: themes that you're going to look at in the NFL,

1474
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 8: and this is something that Belichick picked up on a

1475
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 8: long time ago. It is like, wherever the league is going,

1476
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 8: whatever everybody's doing, let's just do the opposite because you're

1477
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 8: going to be able to pick up some players that

1478
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 8: maybe don't fit into most people's systems. So there's an

1479
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 8: arbitrage there. You're gonna be able to find a quarterback,

1480
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 8: maybe not first overall, but there'll be a little bit

1481
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 8: lower for you that you can put into your system

1482
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 8: and then they'll see the game the same way. But

1483
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 8: I think you also don't see that type of game

1484
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 8: being played all that often, and it's really hard in

1485
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,879
Speaker 8: the middle of your season. Let's say, for a defense

1486
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 8: to go and play somebody who's completely different, whose offense

1487
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 8: is different, whose quarterback looks at the game differently, he

1488
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 8: makes different reads, they're running different blocking schemes, And it's

1489
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 8: really been one of the secrets, maybe not secret, but

1490
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 8: one of the reasons why Lamar Jackson has been so successful,

1491
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 8: especially when he plays against these teams that maybe don't

1492
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 8: see an offense like that very often. It's hard to

1493
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 8: come up with a game plan that your players are

1494
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 8: comfortable against the guy that you only see once every

1495
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 8: four years, or you don't see until all of a

1496
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 8: sudden he's in the league and he's the offense. They're like,

1497
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 8: we can come up with a game plan, but my

1498
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 8: guys are not going to be able to execute it

1499
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 8: great because we haven't done a lot of it in

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01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 8: training camp. We certainly don't see it from our own

1501
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 8: team when we're going good on good in practice, and

1502
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 8: so I think that is one of the huge benefits

1503
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 8: that Washington has right now is they're just they're doing

1504
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 8: stuff on offense that's different than what everybody else is doing,

1505
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 8: and it makes it really hard to defend.

1506
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see because I don't know if

1507
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 3: you guys remember, but with Cliff in Arizona, they were

1508
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 3: always really good the first kind of eight games or

1509
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 3: so of the season offensively, and then it would be

1510
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 3: tricks are figured out and then they would kind of

1511
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 3: really take a swoon. I don't know if that's gonna

1512
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 3: happen here. They're a very impressive team. They're run blocking

1513
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 3: is excellent. Daniels can get himself out of trouble if

1514
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 3: he needs. Sue mclaurin's back involved. They got Zach Ertz,

1515
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 3: a nice veteran. They're they're a tough team, man, they are.

1516
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 3: They are fun, fun football team to watch.

1517
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,919
Speaker 2: You know how, if you were talking about the quarterback,

1518
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 2: you'll find one the top five quarterbacks in the NFL

1519
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 2: by raiding number one. Sam Darnold is number one. He's

1520
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 2: been on the scrap heat at how many places. He's

1521
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 2: number one in the NFL in passing rating? Josh Allen's two. Okay, okay, fair,

1522
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 2: MVP knew all of that that same draft. Yes, no, no, no,

1523
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 2: he's in the Baker draft. Oh, Baker's in that draft. Yeah, yeah,

1524
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 2: so Baker went one, then Darnald.

1525
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, two, then Allen and then Lamar Jackson later and

1526
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 3: then Rose Rose.

1527
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 2: Is a NFL So Darnold Allen go are one, two,

1528
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels was is three, Baker's four, and then

1529
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: Burrow is five because Flacco only's played the one game,

1530
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 2: otherwise he'd be tied with Burrow for fifth. But Burrow's five,

1531
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 2: and of them get him all over the place.

1532
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 3: Burrow was the one name that you would say, Burrow

1533
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 3: and Allen were there, the two that you thought would be.

1534
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 2: There coming into this year. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah,

1535
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 2: they come from all sorts of places. To to Hoff's point,

1536
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 2: I'll get you out of here on this one. My hunches.

1537
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,879
Speaker 2: You don't have any more plans said back to Germany?

1538
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 2: Is that correct? In the in the near future, we

1539
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 2: need to know what he's coming told, Well.

1540
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 8: True, yeah, November, I'll be back for the NFL game.

1541
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 8: But that's it.

1542
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, if you you lived there for a long time,

1543
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 2: is there give me one thing in everyday German life

1544
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,480
Speaker 2: society that you would like to bring stateside?

1545
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 8: Veg beer. So a vegu beer, It's it's a to

1546
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 8: go beer and it's very very much a part of

1547
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 8: the culture. Like when you finish the work day, whenever

1548
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 8: you're done, you're jumping on the subway. You're going somewhere.

1549
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 8: You've got a nice not a leader, but a half

1550
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 8: a leader of Augustine or hellas Beer, and you're just

1551
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 8: cruising along and you're drinking a beer in the subway

1552
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 8: and life is good and it's called a veg beer.

1553
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 8: And it was like one of the first german Ish

1554
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 8: like phrases words that I learned, And I thought it

1555
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 8: was the coolest thing because it's just like life is good.

1556
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 8: That that was just when you look at that snapshot

1557
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 8: and you see somebody and they're having a veg beer,

1558
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 8: like they're in a good side right now. And I

1559
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 8: wish we did that because there's no open container over there.

1560
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 8: I think they're more responsible probably with their alcohol than

1561
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 8: we are somehow. But it's just a really really cool

1562
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 8: thing that I wish we had in the States. I

1563
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 8: wish we could handle it. I don't think we can

1564
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 8: like that. No, I don't think that's very good hand.

1565
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 2: All right, buddy, we'll talk to you again next week.

1566
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 8: Cool guys, appreciate you having me on half there.

1567
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 2: It is the great Joe Thomas in person again. So's

1568
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 2: the Yeah, me too. We haven't seen him in a

1569
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 2: long time. I don't know, I have to. That's funny.

1570
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: I just had like a Eureka moment. He just called

1571
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 2: it vague beer. So on my dad's side, my dad

1572
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 2: is fifty percent German. His grandparents on his grandmother's side

1573
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 2: came directly from Germany and homesteaded in Montana, And everybody

1574
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 2: on my dad's side, at the end of the work day,

1575
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 2: before dinner, lunch, or anything, has a beer wow. And

1576
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 2: that has to be where it came from. H of course,

1577
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 2: has to be where it came Yeah, that's got until

1578
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 2: I never that's it though. That's there's no question, like,

1579
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 2: that's just what you do. You get done working on

1580
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 2: the ponder Rosa, you crack a beer, and then you'll

1581
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: deal with dinner and all that stuff later. But the

1582
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: first thing you do is you crack a beer. OHBM

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Speaker 2: Will I get basketball tryouts? So I won't be able

1603
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 2: to enjoy this the way I did last week. But

1604
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 2: I'll paira troop in in the fourth quarter, or one

1605
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 2: game in the third quarter or the other with a

1606
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 2: couple of Monday night football games. I like it. Who

1607
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 2: does looks for me. Yeah, exactly is that where they are? Yeah?

1608
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 7: Uh Titans Dolphins, Tyler Hunley playing quarterback. Yeah for Miami, Uh,

1609
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 7: Bishop lead us off.

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01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna just kind of go with I think

1611
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 2: that Miami is just a better coach team at the moment.

1612
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 2: I think Levis will be doing something stupid. Hunley won't

1613
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 2: throw it to the other team. I like Miami winning

1614
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 2: kind of a close game, but I think they do

1615
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: get Waddle and Tyreek going a little bit. I like

1616
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 2: Miami winning twenty four to fourteen. Same.

1617
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is this is a get right

1618
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 3: game for Miami. Huntley he can make some throws, He

1619
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 3: will make some plays with his legs. They still have

1620
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 3: a good defense.

1621
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1622
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 3: I just think they're They're a better team. This isn't

1623
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 3: going to be the Skyler Thompson Dolphins. This will be

1624
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 3: Huntley can play. We've seen it, yeah, pro Bowler. Pro

1625
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 3: Bowler witnessed it.

1626
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 7: Game number two the Leons in the special edition uniforms.

1627
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 7: She's playing host to Seattle unbeaten Seahawks visiting the Leons.

1628
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 2: This is a tough one.

1629
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 3: This one feels too obvious. It just feels like I

1630
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 3: can make a compelling case both ways. I think Seattle

1631
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 3: is is an elite back door candidate in this one.

1632
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 3: At the same time, it feels like a larger number

1633
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 3: because it's in the Vegas zone for you know, a

1634
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 3: Detroit team. It's kind of been a little up and down,

1635
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 3: to be honest, and Seattle's been, you know, pretty tough.

1636
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,839
Speaker 3: Seattle really hasn't beaten anybody though. You got the the

1637
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 3: the black unis, they look good. This is a tough one.

1638
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the Lions here d LD. By the way,

1639
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 3: MVD has got to be just pure joy, right, America

1640
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,480
Speaker 3: have the time of our lives.

1641
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 2: Man, I really don't even know. Oh on this one.

1642
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go.

1643
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 3: Detroit fifty Seattle forty seven. I talked myself into both things,

1644
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 3: and that's where I live.

1645
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 2: The other ways to say same, yeah, I think Monday

1646
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 2: night football Detroit, that place will be a cauldron. The

1647
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 2: black uniforms, they are putting Calvin Johnson into the Ring

1648
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 2: of Honor. Those two were na seeing eye to eye

1649
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 2: for the longest time. They finally got that right. So

1650
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: Mega Toronto will be there. I think it's just feels

1651
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 2: like one of those things where the City Detroit kind

1652
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 2: of has their night. You're right, they haven't been great

1653
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: this year, but feels like a little bit of a

1654
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 2: get right. I think I think they're better than the

1655
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 2: way they've played. They've made some stupid mistakes. Gof's thrown

1656
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 2: some terrible interceptions. If they just play clean, I think

1657
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 2: they can they can handle Seattle. I'm gonna go same

1658
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 2: but different. I'm gonna go Lions winning it forty two

1659
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 2: to thirty four. Oh baby, all right, but these are

1660
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 2: fun ones, These are fun games.

1661
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're you have a chance in a solid

1662
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 3: position this week. We both have a chance to be

1663
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 3: over five hundred this week, which this year feels like

1664
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 3: an accomplishment.

1665
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 2: I I think that if you you think about this weekend,

1666
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 2: last weekend perfectly summed it up, where you had several

1667
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 2: multiple digit dogs win. I think there was some return

1668
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 2: to normalcy. But also the idea that like Denver could

1669
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: go to New York and not complete offensive passes and

1670
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 2: win is crazy. Rogers seems like he's enjoying none of this.

1671
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson put him on a milk carton. He's locked down.

1672
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 2: They're not seeing eye eye at all. Sirtan followed him.

1673
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 2: Stands unbelievable. He has followed him everywhere, and he's done

1674
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 2: that with everybody or not. No, no, I can't imagine

1675
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 2: that they are, but it was. It's a crazy week

1676
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 2: week to week in the league and trying to make

1677
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 2: sense of it a little bit of return to normalcy.

1678
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: Some of these teams are just catastrophically injured. We've talked

1679
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 2: about us, We've talked about the forty nine ers, the Rams,

1680
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 2: the Eagles, Niners handled their busy though. Did you see

1681
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 2: the Yeah they did. Did you see the the loss

1682
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 2: of ras Shee Rice.

1683
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, mahomestrows a pick and then kind of barrels into

1684
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 3: his leg.

1685
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 2: Yep. So he was my I think third round pick

1686
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 2: or fourth round pick. No McCaffrey until November.

1687
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 3: Me and s our first pick was McCaffrey and our

1688
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 3: second pick was a Day Brown. They played combined one game.

1689
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 2: He ran into your running back. Yeah yeah, you see

1690
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 2: him over there? Yeah yeah? And one asked him, I

1691
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 2: wonder what treatment you know? The I guarantee the hoff

1692
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 2: knows the doctor he's going to see. I'm sure because

1693
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 2: it's a small world. Yeah yeah, yeah, hasn't like la

1694
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 2: Patrick Malmes is seventeenth in the league in passing. Yeah,

1695
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: four hasn't been like you go over to Germany. At

1696
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 2: some point Kobe did, Kobe did, Lebron did too, Lebron did,

1697
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 2: Kobe did. Yeah, that's what you do.

1698
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 3: They do the it's the platelet stuff right where they

1699
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 3: do that and then they redistribute it.

1700
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's nuts. Minnesota was up twenty

1701
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:06,919
Speaker 2: eight nothing at Green Bay twenty eight nothing. Craziness, Absolutely

1702
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 2: craziness around the league. And you're right, I thought that

1703
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 2: Washington would beat Arizona. But house them, house them is

1704
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 2: because Arizona's played teams well. Yeah all year they've been

1705
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 2: really frisky, and it played teams well and they got

1706
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 2: absolutely bombed in this game. Yeah. There was the other

1707
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 2: one that was really brutal. Was There's a couple ones

1708
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 2: that had to do with the scores. One was Houston.

1709
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:31,719
Speaker 2: Was it Houston? Yeah, Houston.

1710
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 3: Jacksonville could have been a safety on the last play

1711
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 3: they ruled as forward progress on it was listen, Jacksonville.

1712
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 3: Jacksonville side of that deserved to win that the entire game. Yes,

1713
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 3: so it would have been, I mean, an epically bad beat,

1714
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 3: but it would have been nice because we had Houston.

1715
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Falcons too, by the way, the way that that

1716
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 2: ended for them, how they win, they beat the Saints

1717
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 2: by two. By the way, if you have access to

1718
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 2: those uniforms and you don't wear them all the time,

1719
01:22:58,520 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 2: you're out of your mind.

1720
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 3: But you can wear the black lids with him too.

1721
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 3: But that logo, that red helmet, it was spectacular.

1722
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one looked spectacular. I don't know if Anthony

1723
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: Richardson will ever play consistently for Indianapolis.

1724
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 3: So I watched obviously some of that game.

1725
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 2: We were there early.

1726
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 3: There was a two play sequence. The first one he

1727
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 3: hits Michael Pittman in the tightest window possible in between

1728
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 3: four guys for like a thirty yard game.

1729
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 8: Yep.

1730
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,759
Speaker 3: The very next play they're given like a ten yard cushion,

1731
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 3: Pittman runs a five yard out. There is even a

1732
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 3: defender in the screen and Pittman's a big guy six ' four,

1733
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 3: couldn't even get a fingertip on it. Oh, ball was

1734
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 3: thrown like practically into the stands.

1735
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 2: It's like, how do you I don't know, I don't know,

1736
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. No, we'll go and we'll obviously we

1737
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 2: got one thing tomorrow. There's a lot there. It was.

1738
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 2: I don't I actually, we don't get to do it often.

1739
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 3: I do enjoy when we play at four, yeah, because

1740
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 3: you actually get to I get to consume the league

1741
01:23:58,760 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 3: much better.

1742
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was fun. It was fun watching that

1743
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 2: was Vegas as an NFL setup. The stadium is unreal.

1744
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 2: You can go ahead and start building that down the street. Now,

1745
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 2: I'd be fine. That stadium unreal.

1746
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 3: It's great, it's beautiful, natural light comes in, it's grass too, rass. Yeah,

1747
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 3: give a watch as they rolled the track in.

1748
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 2: So it was Saturday night. It was pretty cool.

1749
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 7: Like they had just taken the turf out from the

1750
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 7: un LV game, so we didn't We couldn't set up

1751
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 7: till eight o'clock Saturday night, which was eleven o'clock back here. Yeah,

1752
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 7: and they literally, I mean, it just comes in on

1753
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 7: a giant and it's level, like the sidelines are already

1754
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 7: set up, they're permanently in. Yes, So everything just comes.

1755
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 7: It goes all the way up right to the club

1756
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 7: that's in the end zone, stops and you know what,

1757
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 7: wild just put the seiler around the turf seal.

1758
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 3: Did you watch them take the turf out no, and

1759
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 3: I don't know where that went, so I don't know

1760
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 3: that if it's there. There was a place in the

1761
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 3: bowels of the bill thing as I was walking around

1762
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 3: to find the elevators where there was.

1763
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,759
Speaker 2: A rack, and I mean it was it was huge.

1764
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 3: That was just rolled up pieces of turf. So I

1765
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 3: don't wonder if the turfs rolled out, which would be nuts.

1766
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 3: There'd be so many seams. I mean it was many.

1767
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 3: I mean it was a lot.

1768
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 2: It was huge.

1769
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 8: Huh.

1770
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,560
Speaker 7: I think I feel like that maybe goes out the

1771
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 7: other end zone because we never got around to that

1772
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 7: other side. I don't know, there's nowhere to take it

1773
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 7: out though.

1774
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Only one side comes up, right, see.

1775
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 2: But by the time we got there, we I mean,

1776
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:33,640
Speaker 2: this was this was.

1777
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 3: Enough turf to be a football field for sure, and

1778
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 3: it was probably in like twenty.

1779
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: Huge roles. I wonder if they do they have more

1780
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 2: than one, I don't know, more than one set of

1781
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 2: they might again, we never made it over to the others.

1782
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 2: Madrid's like that they've got two that they alternate.

1783
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 7: Could be yeah, yeah, I mean it was pretty great.

1784
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 7: There's a couple of things I would change. Minnesota is

1785
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 7: still better.

1786
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 2: So I just here's that is the.

1787
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 3: Turf field is placed on the stadium's concrete floor and

1788
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 3: gets rolled up and stored under the stadium when the

1789
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 3: Raiders play NFL games and they slide the grass so

1790
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 3: that the turf is literally literally they had You mean,

1791
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 3: like artificial turf is rolled up.

1792
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 2: Yes, and then that play on grass. Oh, I thought

1793
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 2: you were saying it was grass roll artificial artificial turf

1794
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 2: rolled So when like you and l the plays there,

1795
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 2: it's turf, yes, And when they play bowl games and stuff,

1796
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 2: it's turf. But when it's Raiders, they play grass.

1797
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 3: Correct.

1798
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 2: That's so it's.

1799
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 7: Pretty So the grass is outside, so like we had

1800
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 7: to park at a different entrance to even go in

1801
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 7: because the grass is where on game day the players park,

1802
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 7: the buses are everything.

1803
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 2: Like then they just like Arizona, right, It's exactly like

1804
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 2: Arizona and they just wheel it right in. Oh, that's cool.

1805
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty awesome. What was the fan breakdown in

1806
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 2: your guys' estimation.

1807
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 3: Sixty either sixty forty browns or sixty sixty five or

1808
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 3: thirty three browns.

1809
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 2: Oh it was all browns. Yeah, Wow. Everywhere you went,

1810
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 2: it was just like in Vegas, it was browns everywhere. Well,

1811
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 2: that's gonna be the case. It's gonna be that everybody's

1812
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 2: first trip out there. That's the way that's gonna go.

1813
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 2: It was great.

1814
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 3: So we're on Saturday, got to do a little uh

1815
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 3: check out the TPC, which was an great course with illuminaries,

1816
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 3: and we're on the range and a guy recognizes me

1817
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 3: and it gives like a holy beep. That's Nathan's girl

1818
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 3: comes over and calls his brother, you take pictures whatever,

1819
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 3: the whole deal. And then he wanted to get a

1820
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 3: picture of us all together and asked h Senior Swag

1821
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 3: to take the picture and Swags like, no, I'm not

1822
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 3: gonna do that.

1823
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 2: They're not gonna do that.

1824
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:49,719
Speaker 3: They're like, this is the worst thing that's ever happening.

1825
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 3: All the luminaries they're loving. Dubs is loving it, but everybody.

1826
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 2: Else is like God. I was like, remember this and

1827
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 2: remember this in my review. Remard this is my real

1828
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: people like me. They didn't know he was no, they

1829
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 2: didn't know you Swag. No, they he'd take that bitch

1830
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:04,560
Speaker 2: and he goes, yeah, no, I'm not gonna do that.

1831
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 2: So that was pretty good.

1832
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what though, brother, it may be a

1833
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 3: dry heat. But we went out there. We teed off

1834
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 3: eight o'clock, eight thirty in the morning, it was eighty five.

1835
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 4: Yep.

1836
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 3: By the time we concluded, it was one oh seven,

1837
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 3: which was the hottest September twenty eighth in the history

1838
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 3: of the Las Vegas area.

1839
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 4: Yep.

1840
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 3: I was like dead. I had to go kind of

1841
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 3: just sit in my wa all, just kind of sat

1842
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 3: in our rooms for four hours, half awake, half asleep,

1843
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 3: just like I was zapped. Do you think it dead?

1844
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 2: Like how hard did you go the night before?

1845
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 3: Not?

1846
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 2: Crazy? Crazy? Yeah? No, it had to do it.

1847
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 3: And he's like that kid running kim did. I mean,

1848
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 3: there are so many questions, uh kibb running around. I

1849
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 3: sent you a photo that we need to have a conversation.

1850
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 3: I never saw the photo. I just I need context.

1851
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 3: I didn't get a photo because you're green. So all

1852
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 3: I got was a description.

1853
01:28:57,960 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1854
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 3: I have no, I did not get a photo. All

1855
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 3: I have got was a description. I said, I need

1856
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 3: context on on the descripture.

1857
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went to some places. Yeah, well they have

1858
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 2: those places. I do think though, and this actually ties in.

1859
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 2: I know we have a couple minutes left. Doesn't look

1860
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 2: like we're gonna get to coach. He still hasn't come,

1861
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 2: so as it. So we'll wrap here in the next

1862
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 2: two minutes. Let's just say this though, from a as

1863
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 2: a kid who grew up in the Bay Area like

1864
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 2: you did, and you think about the home field that

1865
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 2: the Oakland Leam the Coliseum was for the Oakland Raiders

1866
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 2: for all those years, the black hole, all of it,

1867
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 2: and then the baseball team is gone, vaporized, and you

1868
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 2: think about how great that was. Oh baby, I mean,

1869
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 2: it's just it's gonna be a different thing to try

1870
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 2: to build that. It's not.

1871
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 3: It's not the black hole at all. I mean, and

1872
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 3: you even talked to you know, we had a lot

1873
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 3: of guys in our organization who are Shelby was drafted

1874
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 3: by the Raiders. Amario obviously was drafted by the Raiders.

1875
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:56,679
Speaker 3: Tarvar was a defensive coordinator for the Rivers. It's yes,

1876
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 3: it's the Raiders. You still see the silver and black

1877
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:00,560
Speaker 3: and all that, but that being in that stadium and

1878
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 3: it's not like it's not the Raiders.

1879
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it ever will be, because

1880
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 2: you're always going to have if it's sixty five percent. Now,

1881
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 2: the next time we go back there, it might be

1882
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 2: forty eight percent, but it's not going to be ninety

1883
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 2: ten me a lot. It's still yeah, it's not going

1884
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 2: to be ninety ten. And it's not just us, it's

1885
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 2: every team in the NFL when they go out there,

1886
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 2: except for the teams that play divisional games against So

1887
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 2: they get a sixty forty game, but there's no way

1888
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 2: to end in their favor. There's no way to ever

1889
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 2: have a home field.

1890
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 3: No, that's like that for the Rams right now too.

1891
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 3: The Rams won a Super Bowl.

1892
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 2: One hundred percent like that for the Chargers. Rams, certainly

1893
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 2: when they play the Niners, you get a little of

1894
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 2: that for sure. All Right, there you go. Coach will

1895
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 2: speak at some point. We'll see, not sure what's going

1896
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 2: We'll be on this program. I'm here tomorrow. The next

1897
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,160
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