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Speaker 2: We've spent a lot of time first hour talking about

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Speaker 2: John Keller Perry Kentucky. What is the new model to

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Speaker 2: be successful in college basketball? I would look at Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: You can bring in some recruits, maybe not all or

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Speaker 2: top recruits, but you got to sprinkle in transfer portal.

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Speaker 2: The transfer portal has changed college athletics. Now you can say,

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Speaker 2: has it changed it for the good. Well depends on

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Speaker 2: what your school does. If you're Kentucky, no, if you're

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Speaker 2: Connecticut yes, But if you go back to Villanova, Jay

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Speaker 2: Wright build a team. This is before transfer portal, but

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Speaker 2: was sprinkling in maybe a freshman or two. Then you'd

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Speaker 2: have a sophomore, junior, some seniors in there. Won a

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Speaker 2: couple national titles. And he had this to say about

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Speaker 2: the one and done era of college basketball.

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Speaker 4: The era of taking these young freshmen and trying to

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Speaker 4: play against older players is over.

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Speaker 5: He did it.

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Speaker 4: I think he did a phenomenal job with these guys

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Speaker 4: all year getting them to be as successful as they were.

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Speaker 4: You can see they're playing against grown men. The guys

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Speaker 4: on Kentucky will be far better pros than any of

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Speaker 4: these guys on Oakland or any of these guys in

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Speaker 4: the tournament. But they're not as good college basketball players

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Speaker 4: at this point in their career. They're not as disciplined

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Speaker 4: yet as the guys from Oakland. And it's not Kyle's fault.

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Speaker 4: It's they're eighteen years old and they're in this era

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Speaker 4: where everyone's telling them how great they are. Just show

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Speaker 4: up in college and you're gonna win it doesn't happen

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Speaker 4: that way, and the more the guys stay in college

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Speaker 4: because of the NIL is going to be tougher for

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Speaker 4: young teams like this to be successful.

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Speaker 2: That's Jay Wright, now CBS analyst, And we're referring to

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Speaker 2: the Oakland game last night. Kentucky had more money bet

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Speaker 2: on it than any other team to win the national

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Speaker 2: title and they get knocked off. And Jack Goldkey, the

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Speaker 2: Oakland guard, all he does is shoot threes, and he

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Speaker 2: did that last night and he took twenty threes, made

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Speaker 2: ten zero assists, by the way, and he talked about

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Speaker 2: us against them, Oakland against Kentucky.

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Speaker 6: Obviously we come in with the underdog by all measures,

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Speaker 6: but you just got to as a player, you can't

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Speaker 6: you got to think that you have the same talent

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Speaker 6: I know I'm not going to the NBA, but I

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Speaker 6: a Cinderella because when we play our a game where

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Speaker 2: And he made tough shots last night. I mean, you had,

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Speaker 2: But he's not afraid. It's one thing to sort of

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Speaker 2: of out no man's lamb. He lives in no man's lamb.

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Speaker 2: And even if you're right in his face, he was

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Speaker 2: going to make you pay. And you get that first

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Speaker 2: half confidence that bled over to the second half and

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Speaker 2: Kentucky never really realized that, hey, we're Kentucky. We should

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Speaker 2: It goes back to having a balance raw, having some

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Speaker 2: He's one of our favorites, one of the great writers

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Speaker 2: in America. He's right Thompson ESPN dot Com Senior writer

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Speaker 2: and saw where he spent some time with Caitlyn Clark Right.

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Speaker 2: Always great to see you give me the game plan

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Speaker 2: when you go in. I have a game plan when

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Speaker 1: I mean it's almost sort of the opposite of doing

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Speaker 7: I just, you know, I wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Go and have it be a letter from a time

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Speaker 1: I just need to be in Iowa City as much

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Speaker 2: What's it like to be a fly on the wall

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, one, it's just inherently weird, you know

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Speaker 1: It's just like a you know, I mean, like they

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a super creeper vibe, you know, so

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Speaker 2: I think if you didn't know she was a superstar,

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Speaker 7: Dan, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: We both I mean you've talked to way more great

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Speaker 7: I don't know if I've seen.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a handful of people who are as thoughtful as

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Speaker 1: she is a woman in full I don't know the

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Speaker 7: I don't know, like I found her to be.

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Speaker 1: Shockingly thoughtful and uh, you know, not normal, but like

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Speaker 1: and it feels crazy in it.

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Speaker 2: The importance of this taking place in Iowa as opposed

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Speaker 1: You know, I thought a lot about that, Like before

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Speaker 1: I wrote about Dan Gable maybe a decade ago, and

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Speaker 1: and I just sort of thought it would be here too.

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Speaker 1: One of the things, you know, Caitlyn didn't grow up

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Speaker 7: You know it.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, I don't know exactly how to say it,

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Speaker 1: she's from her own talent more than she is population one,

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Speaker 1: population one. But what is interesting is she's definitely the

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Speaker 1: Moines wearing a Caplin Clark jersey. I mean, it's bananas

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Speaker 1: right now, Dan, I mean it's you know, it is

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Speaker 7: It's like it's a folkey row thing.

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Speaker 2: It feels like, how do you explain her if somebody

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Speaker 1: I mean Kobe Bryant with a ponytail, I mean, like seriously,

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Speaker 1: Oh and I took it personal. I mean there's that,

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Speaker 1: her to me, you know, one of her superpowers as

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Speaker 1: she really takes things personally. You know, there's just a

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Speaker 2: You know, well you profiled Jordan, you know, is it

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Speaker 2: a stretch to see sort of similar characteristics?

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Speaker 1: Not a stretch at all, And I mean Jordan's on

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Speaker 1: so on a certain level famous, it's just famous, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't really matter. But no, I mean the mindset,

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Speaker 7: I don't know. I find there are a lot of similarities.

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Speaker 7: I was surprised by that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I was, But like you know,

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Speaker 1: she's much more She's much more fully formed than most

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Speaker 2: But now she has a team around her. So she

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Speaker 2: is pr family, like she's a professional athlete. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: How is that effected? Like if I looked at eighteen

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Speaker 2: year old Kitlyn Clark, now I look at twenty two

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Speaker 2: year old Kaitlyn Clark, what's the biggest difference that you

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Speaker 1: I think that she hasn't let that. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of difference. I think she's a more

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Speaker 1: I got to know Brenton Anne, and you know, any

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. Hope the family's good, and

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Speaker 2: the great basketball analyst from Turner and Fox Jim Jackson

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Speaker 2: as well. Right Thompson is so much fun to have.

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Speaker 2: I was just telling Seaton if Right Thompson said, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to do a profile on you, and I'd

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Speaker 2: be like, I don't think so. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: learn that much about myself, which is like one of

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Speaker 2: the best compliments. I bet you can give him. Yes,

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Speaker 2: but he did a profile. Now he's done, Tiger, he's done.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Nick Saban he's the one he did on pat

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Speaker 2: Riley you want to talk about, Oh my god, is

446
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Speaker 2: pat Riley lying down on a therapist couch here? Because

447
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Speaker 2: that's what it felt like. He just has this ability

448
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Speaker 2: to disarm and listen, and he certainly did that. Not

449
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Speaker 2: much to update you on Show Heyo Tani. It feels

450
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Speaker 2: like we've got a couple of different stories going on

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Speaker 2: within the one story. Andrew McCullough, he is the senior

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Speaker 2: writer for The Athletic and Andy joins us now he's

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Speaker 2: covering the show Heyo Tani story. Also, he has a

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Speaker 2: book coming out, the Last of his Kind, Clayton Kershaw

455
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Speaker 2: and The Burden of Greatness. Andy, thanks for joining us up.

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Speaker 2: How would you sum up? Recap the last forty eight hours?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a bit busier of a week than I

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Speaker 5: expected to have.

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Speaker 10: I was kind of looking forward to watching the tournament,

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Speaker 10: you know, and getting ready for opening day next week.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Ever since the La Times, you know, broke.

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Speaker 10: The original story about Otani and you know, the firing

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Speaker 10: of Epei Misuhara, the interpreter for Show Aotani, and that

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Speaker 10: was subsequently followed up by a really comprehensive and bizarre

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Speaker 10: frankly sorry for ESPN, you know, quoting Misuhara extensively. It's

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Speaker 10: been a bit of a whirlwind, you know, trying to

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Speaker 10: get a sense of like what major League Baseball's role

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Speaker 10: in is in all of this, what exactly the competing

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Speaker 10: narratives are suggesting, you know, and just kind of trying

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Speaker 10: to get a handle on what's going on, all while

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Speaker 10: the Dodgers have been in Seoul, South Korea, and you know,

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Speaker 10: been on a plane for a significant portion of you know,

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Speaker 10: these these.

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Speaker 5: Forty eight hours. So yeah, you know, I was looking

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Speaker 5: forward to watching some basketball, but I go, I won't be.

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Speaker 2: But I'm trying to understand how they made the interpreter

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Speaker 2: available to talk to ESPN for ninety minutes. Like that's

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Speaker 2: mind boggling.

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Speaker 5: Andy, I would agree with you, Dan, it is. It

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Speaker 5: is a very interesting decision to have made Mizuhara available.

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Speaker 10: Especially given that, you know, if you talk to like,

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Speaker 10: you know, legal experts, right when detectives are trying to

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Speaker 10: break a case, they like to get a suspect and

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Speaker 10: lock them in on a story and you know, commit

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Speaker 10: to a you know, a timeline of events, and Misihara

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Speaker 10: did that and then subsequently recanted which sort of casts

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Speaker 10: everything he said into doubt. You know, why would you

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Speaker 10: believe him when he said everything that he just said

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Speaker 10: was a lie? And so you have these two competing narratives,

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Speaker 10: one in which you know, Otani essentially, you know, paid

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Speaker 10: off his friend's gambling debts. And then you have what

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Speaker 10: Otani's camp is now saying is that, you know, Misuhara

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Speaker 10: committed massive theft, you know, millions of dollars potentially, and

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Speaker 10: they have not provided evidence yet of you know, how

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Speaker 10: that theft was uh you know, a heard but you

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Speaker 10: know that's kind of for the the authorities to figure

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Speaker 10: out exactly how that happened.

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Speaker 5: And there's just like there's so much left on seid.

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Speaker 5: There's not like a shoe that needs to drop here,

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Speaker 5: it's like a foot locker that needs to drop, you know.

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Speaker 2: And Otani coming back from spring training, can he avoid

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Speaker 2: not saying anything? I mean, do you just use the Hey,

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Speaker 2: it's a criminal investigation. I can't say anything.

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Speaker 5: I suspect that that is the tack they will take

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Speaker 5: for as long as they can.

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Speaker 10: I think the longer that there's silence, the more it

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Speaker 10: allows kind of rumor and innuendo and conjecture. And speculation

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Speaker 10: and all those sort of you know, synonyms to fill

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Speaker 10: the void. I think a lot of people are just

512
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Speaker 10: wondering what the heck is going on. You know, Otani

513
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Speaker 10: was fairly private to begin with. You know, he doesn't

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Speaker 10: They took it was like pulling teeth trying to get

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Speaker 10: his you know, representatives to admit the name of his dog.

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Speaker 10: During the off season, you know, he got married. He

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Speaker 10: announced he was married this spring. His teammates with the

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Speaker 10: Angels didn't even know he had a romantic partner. So it's, yeah,

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Speaker 10: I suspect that their strategy will be silence and point

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Speaker 10: to you know, an ongoing investigation. But it's you know,

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Speaker 10: it casts a paul over the start of the season

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Speaker 10: for the Otani and the Dodgers for sure.

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Speaker 2: How do Baseball's gambling rules factor into this?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so it depends on which you know, narrative is

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Speaker 10: proven to be accurate, and if he's the victim of

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Speaker 10: a theft, which is what you know, his camp is alleging,

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Speaker 10: and what Major League Baseball is currently accepting, you know,

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Speaker 10: as something of a premise, not much of anything per se.

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Speaker 10: You know, it's kind of a matter of you know,

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Speaker 10: seeing just kind of how that theft occurred. If he

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Speaker 10: was theoretically paying off an illegal book maker or placing

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Speaker 10: bets with an illegal bookmaker, that would be a violation

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Speaker 10: of Rule twenty one, which is the famous you know,

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Speaker 10: betting on sports sort of thing. It and then it

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Speaker 10: just as a matter of did he bet on baseball?

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Speaker 10: There's zero evidence that you know, there were any bets

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Speaker 10: placed on baseball. Misuara denied that in his you know,

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Speaker 10: one of the accounts he gets to ESPN, right, I think,

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Speaker 10: and so like that's kind of like the central question

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Speaker 10: I think is like just figuring out what what was

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Speaker 10: what were these bets placed on is probably the most

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Speaker 10: important thing. If it's baseball, then you know that is

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Speaker 10: a really serious gets into really serious ratifications.

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Speaker 5: If it's not baseball, the league.

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Speaker 10: Has pointed to, you know, there was Jared Cozart was

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Speaker 10: fined in twenty fifteen for illegally gambling, and you know

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Speaker 10: it's more of a pay a fine, you know, commissioner's

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Speaker 10: discretion type of situation.

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Speaker 2: In a week, Where is this story? In your opinion,

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Speaker 2: it's a great question.

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Speaker 10: I mean I think there I don't know how quickly

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Speaker 10: evidence will come out. You know, this is part of

553
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Speaker 10: this came up because you know, there's a long standing

554
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Speaker 10: probe into bookmaking operations in southern California, and Otani's name

555
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Speaker 10: appeared in that investigation. That federal investigation and reporters from

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Speaker 10: the LA Times and ESPN who've done tremendous.

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Speaker 5: Work on this, you know, sort of ferreted it out.

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Speaker 10: And so it's not like there's a timeline of like, oh,

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Speaker 10: in a week, Otani's going to address all of this.

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Speaker 10: I suspect that they will continue to have the cone

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Speaker 10: of silence and just wait for the process to play out.

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Speaker 5: But that could also change.

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Speaker 10: I mean, you know, the fact that Misihara spoke initially

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Speaker 10: was you know, so shocking. I mean, who knows, Maybe

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Speaker 10: you'll decide to talk a third time. But I suspect

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Speaker 10: it's kind of going to grind on for a while.

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Speaker 10: As you know, Otani's legal cap legal team sort of

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Speaker 10: you know, allows the authorities to pursue these charges.

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Speaker 2: How did the interpreter get back from South Korea?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, that's a great question. I really don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: It has been asked, and folks in that world with

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Speaker 10: the Dodgers, with Otani's camp. No one really wants to

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Speaker 10: talk about this situation for some reason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go figure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a that is a wonderful question.

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Speaker 2: He is a senior writer for The Athletic and Andy

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Speaker 2: McCollum also his book The Last of His Kind, Clayton

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Speaker 2: Kershaw and the Burden of Greatness. Well, let me ask

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Speaker 2: you one question about that. What is the burden of

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Speaker 2: his greatness?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: I mean I think as you would know that, I

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Speaker 10: think this is like the only media outlet that Kershaw

585
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Speaker 10: seems to like dealing with is coming on your show.

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Speaker 10: So You've tele to talk to him a lot over

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Speaker 10: the years, and I I think in you know, I've

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Speaker 10: covered baseball for fifteen years now, and I feel like

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Speaker 10: he is a person who, because of what he has achieved,

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Speaker 10: has been held to a certain standard and has kind

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Speaker 10: of set spent his career, you know, trying.

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Speaker 5: To reach that.

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Speaker 10: And you know, you can see it in the postseason

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Speaker 10: struggles in the way that he has you know, subjected

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Speaker 10: himself to you know, workloads, to pitching through injuries, to

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Speaker 10: you know, basically putting his body and reputation at risk,

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Speaker 10: all in service of trying to, you know, essentially give

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Speaker 10: everything that he can to his craft, and so, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 10: it's the book is an exploration of kind of what

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Speaker 10: it has been like for him, you know, really in

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Speaker 10: these last twenty years, you know, operating under that and

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Speaker 10: living essentially like in the hull of a ship and

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Speaker 10: dealing with that pressure.

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Speaker 5: If that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Did our show make the book?

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Speaker 5: I think so?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think so, because like he talks about stuff,

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Speaker 10: and then I would you know, when he and I

609
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Speaker 10: talked like a bunch for this over the past couple

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Speaker 10: of years, and so there were times when he talked

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Speaker 10: about things on here and I would, you know, get

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Speaker 10: him to you know, expand or explore just it opened

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Speaker 10: up avenues and so thank you for all your help

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Speaker 10: over the years.

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Speaker 5: He's really helpful in research.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I find him interesting. But I had

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Speaker 2: to approach him from a different angle than just let

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Speaker 2: me ask you baseball things. It was there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of different ways to try to get to somebody, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't know him, and then the first time we

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Speaker 2: had him on, I realized that if I was going

622
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Speaker 2: to get anything baseball wise, I couldn't go ask baseball questions.

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Speaker 2: They almost had to come out in a different way.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've felt that way. I was

625
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Speaker 2: throwing off speed pitches constantly to you.

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Speaker 10: Gotta you know, look, you got to make him work

627
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 10: a little bit. I mean, he's an exceedingly disciplined sort

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Speaker 10: of person. He's very controlled and measured in what he

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Speaker 10: wants to say. You know, he's a very thoughtful guy,

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00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 10: and so he very often it's hard to kind of

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Speaker 10: move him off the spot, as it were, in like

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Speaker 10: a kind of a tennis metaphor. So yeah, you know,

633
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Speaker 10: we had really, you know, lengthy conversations over the past

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Speaker 10: couple of years about just kind of his career, you know, childhood,

635
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 10: you know, legacy, all that stuff, all the stuff he

636
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 10: hates talking about. But it is a enjoyable process. So

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Speaker 10: I'm excited for people to get a chance to read

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00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 10: it in in a couple of months.

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Speaker 2: All right, Andy, thank you for joining us. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: That's Andy mccollin, senior writer for The Athletic. In his

642
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: book The Last of His Kind, Clayton Kershawn and The

643
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: Burden of Greatness. Yeah, there's certain athletes or managers or

644
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: coaches who come on and you're not quite sure. I

645
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: have to have a strategy, and right Thompson was saying

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Speaker 2: he doesn't have a strategy when he profiles somebody, because

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Speaker 2: if you go in with a preconceived idea, then you've

648
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: already slanted your story. Well, I have to go in

649
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Speaker 2: with a preconceived game plan of what do I want,

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Speaker 2: how do I get it, how much time do I have,

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Speaker 2: and at what point do I abort and say I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to get what I want to get, Because,

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Speaker 2: as I've said before, I'm a conduit to you, the listener,

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Speaker 2: the viewer. I got to get something from this person

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Speaker 2: to give to you, to say I respect your time

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Speaker 2: that you give to the show. This is why we're

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Speaker 2: having this person on. Not everybody cooperates. Sometimes somebody does

658
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Speaker 2: and they don't even realize that they are. There have

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Speaker 2: been times when we've listened to interviews and we go, wow,

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Speaker 2: he just said that, or I didn't expect that. That's

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Speaker 2: the fun part of it. But to go in and

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Speaker 2: have a game plan. You can't just go and I

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Speaker 2: don't have a list of questions. You know, there's always

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Speaker 2: topics here, but for the most part, it's having a

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Speaker 2: comes instead of an interrogation. And sometimes you get gold

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Speaker 2: and sometimes you don't. But for the most part, we've

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Speaker 2: been fortunate, and Clayton was very forthcoming with us. We

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Speaker 2: even talked to him during COVID. We probably had him

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Speaker 2: on maybe seven to ten times since we've been doing this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: pung one that I remember with Clayton Kershaw. He was

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Speaker 2: our first guest after we went to starting use zoom

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Speaker 2: around COVID. He was our very first guest and he

673
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Speaker 2: was in his office at home and he's bored. He

674
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Speaker 2: had nothing to do. Baseball had been shut down. And

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Speaker 2: the first thing you asked him, is there a baseball

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Speaker 2: with an arms distance of you? And he said always,

677
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Speaker 2: that was his answer, And you said, show me all

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Speaker 2: your pitches, And on National TV he went through with

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Speaker 2: his hand all of his pitches. Was fascinating, yep. And

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Speaker 2: I appreciated that just because therefore, I'm showing you something

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Speaker 2: from one of the great pitchers of all time. And

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Speaker 2: to be able to get you know, because not everybody

683
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Speaker 2: wants to share your secrets. If you're a great player,

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Speaker 2: you know you don't want to share it. Well, you know,

685
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Speaker 2: this is what I do.

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Speaker 7: This is how I do it.

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Speaker 2: I get away with this. He was willing to show me, Hey,

688
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Speaker 2: this is how mine is different than somebody else's. And

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Speaker 2: I was fascinated with that, just because we've all held

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Speaker 2: the baseball. How do you hold it? How is it different?

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Speaker 2: And like Marianna Rivera, I remember asking him, I said,

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Speaker 2: show me how you throw the pitch. And he had

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Speaker 2: a baseball and he showed me, and I go, so,

694
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Speaker 2: how does it do what it does? Like you go, wait,

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Speaker 2: that's it. There's no magic here. But he had this

696
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 2: ability to be able to throw a pedro. Pedro Martinez

697
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Speaker 2: one of my favorite pitchers because he's not big, but

698
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Speaker 2: he had this ability to be able to throw a

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Speaker 2: baseball and have movement on it, so much movement. And

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Speaker 2: those are the inside baseball things that I really love.

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Speaker 2: You know, how somebody shoots a basketball, how do they

702
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Speaker 2: like the you know, the feel, the laces of it.

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Speaker 2: What are they thinking when they're shooting? What are you

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Speaker 2: looking at when you're shooting? Like all of these things.

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Speaker 2: I just that's when I'm fascinating with, when you're able

706
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Speaker 2: to get inside somebody's head and they're explaining something with

707
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Speaker 2: their greatness. All right, let me take a break. Got

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Speaker 2: our play of the day coming up, we'll talk some hoops.

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Speaker 2: We'll get more phone calls coming up after this.

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Speaker 2: Even if you're listening or you're watching, if you take

715
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: a deep breath, can you smell that smoked Italian meatballs,

716
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: sweet and hot Italian sausages and baked cheesy garlic. Bread Man,

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Speaker 2: it's all over the studio here, garlic. You're Ryan, Nobody.

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Speaker 2: The garlic is awesome. Yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 11: My last two years in New York City, I lived

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Speaker 11: in the area called Nolita, and I lived on the

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Speaker 11: fourth floor above a pizza place. And the whole apartment

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Speaker 11: complex smelled like bread and sauce and garlic and like

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Speaker 11: like like charred bread, like in the oven. It's a

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Speaker 11: beautiful time.

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Speaker 3: No buddy.

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Speaker 2: By the way, JJ Watt is leading our bracket challenge.

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00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: He picked Oakland to beat Kentucky, and uh yeah, I.

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Speaker 6: Love It's like everybody is talking about like that huge

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Speaker 6: bracketbuster from yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh Kentucky. No, Drake, Drake was mine, Like I

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Speaker 2: haven I had Kentucky getting knocked out, but I have

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Speaker 2: Drake going really really far. So yeah, well okay, okay though,

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Speaker 2: always next year, I love you always next year? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Aiden in Utah? Hey, Aiden, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Speaking all that, I'm calling to say, Kentucky and Virginia

737
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 12: should be sit out of marsh Madness and band until

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Speaker 12: they can win in the n i C Tournament. If

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Speaker 12: they win that they can be a lot to play

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Speaker 12: in Marsh Madness. But until that, I'm sick of theme. Man,

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Speaker 12: what was in the first round?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Aiden? Andrew and Washington. Hi Andrew, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 3: Hey? Good morning Dan, Dan. That's a happy meet Friday. Dan.

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Speaker 13: I agree with you that Cali Perry needs to change

747
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 13: his ways to be able to make Kentucky a more

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Speaker 13: successful team in college basketball, but he's still making the

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Speaker 13: most successful team in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: The NBA, doesn't you know, draft upon the transfer portal.

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Speaker 13: They draft upon potential in those five star recruits and

752
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 13: how much airtime.

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Speaker 3: They can get.

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Speaker 13: So at Kentucky and Duke they get so many games.

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00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 13: That's the best way for these young players to advertise

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Speaker 13: themselves to the NBA.

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00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 3: So they can get those contracts.

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Speaker 13: The only player or the first player off the NBA

759
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 13: draft board that was in the final four last year

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Speaker 13: was Jordan Hawkins at number fourteen, so barely a lottery pick.

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Speaker 13: That's how the NBA looks at March madness. We love

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Speaker 13: March Madness, but the NBA looks at it as we're

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Speaker 13: not paying these guys a bag just because they got

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Speaker 13: foreign March.

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Speaker 3: That hasn't happened since. Like you said, Julia Locapor, Carmelo Anthony.

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Speaker 13: So I think cal brings enough money into Kentucky that

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Speaker 13: winning isn't the only thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you look at this upcoming draft, by the way,

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Speaker 2: the upcoming draft, look at all the players who aren't

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Speaker 2: from the United States. You know that's happened again. Now

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Speaker 2: I know that Reed Shephard was. You know, he's gone

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Speaker 2: from being mid round to maybe higher than that to

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Speaker 2: maybe he dropped down after last night. But Kentucky's going

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Speaker 2: to have a couple of guards in there. Colorado has

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Speaker 2: a player who's probably going to be a lottery pick.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: You got a lot of players who are from outside

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Speaker 2: the United States that are coming into the NBA.

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Speaker 11: Yes, Paul Marvin and I are screaming over here, because like,

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Speaker 11: if you're a Kentucky booster or a hardcore Kentucky fan,

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Speaker 11: the icing on the cake is watching the draft and

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Speaker 11: seeing your guys get drafted. That's really nice. That has

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Speaker 11: facilities are really nice. You want final fours, that's it.

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Speaker 11: That's what you do all this stuff for and support

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Speaker 11: all year and buy the gear all year for is

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Speaker 11: to appear in the final four. And they haven't appeared

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Speaker 11: in the final four nine years.

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Speaker 2: Well, how many times have we looked at North Carolina

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Speaker 2: football and we go, damn, look at the number of

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Speaker 2: guys who get drafted and North Carolina football isn't good.

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Speaker 2: I don't care that my players from my school got drafted.

792
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Speaker 2: I care what they do at my school before they

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Speaker 2: get drafted. Hey, and coach cow would always do this.

794
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Speaker 2: My players, if you combine their salaries made over a

795
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Speaker 2: billion dollars? Good? What does that mean for the team

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Speaker 2: that you had a Kentucky How about this? They make

797
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: a half a billion and you guys go and win

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Speaker 2: a championship? How about how about that? How about we

799
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: meet you halfway? But if you're a Kentucky fan today,

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Speaker 2: look at the way those fans reacted last night like

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00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: they were in shock and disbelief. They shouldn't be, but

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Speaker 2: they were because they've been down this road before.

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Speaker 14: Yes, Marv, the anger that I would feel as a

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Speaker 14: Kentucky fan, all right. During the All Star Game, seven

805
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 14: players went to Kentucky. Seven of the twenty four players

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00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 14: that played in the All Star Game went to Kentucky,

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Speaker 14: and Calipari was there and he took a picture with

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Speaker 14: all of the guys that were in an All Star Game.

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Speaker 14: I would be furious, like, what do you mean? You

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Speaker 14: had Julius Randall and Devin Booker and the list goes

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Speaker 14: on and on, and we have one national championship to

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Speaker 14: show for with all of these NBA players, high level

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Speaker 14: NBA players also, so.

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Speaker 2: I said, JJ wats leading the bracket challenge. He turns

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Speaker 2: thirty five today. Kevin Fraser and Joey Vado are second.

816
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: Josh Dumel, Brandall Shamblee, Brian Cranston and Albert Breer are third.

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Speaker 2: The bottom of the bracket, the worst bracket so far.

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Speaker 2: Rebecca Lobo. Oh no, it's Rebecca Low that'd be. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to say Rebecca Lobo because she knows their basketball.

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Speaker 2: Rebecca Low. Yeah, Rebecca Low. I was like, wow, she

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Speaker 2: is no kidding. Yeah, Rebecca Low, it's tradition that she

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Speaker 2: has one of the worst brackets. And Marvin, Yeah, Marv, madness,

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Speaker 2: you and Rebecca Low. You're not British.

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Speaker 5: You have no excuse.

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Speaker 2: Yes, congratulation, it's early.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Who else is at the bottom, Peter King, Brady Quinn,

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Speaker 2: John Smoltz, Jim Parsons, Seaton and Paulin congratulations, But it's

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Speaker 2: Marvin and Rebecca Lo the worst bracket so far. It's

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Speaker 2: only one day.

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Speaker 5: I had Ducaine losing. I'm sorry, Dukine.

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Speaker 2: This is how it sounded when Duke Caine picked up

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Speaker 2: their win.

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Speaker 15: Ducuane up seventy one sixty seven.

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Speaker 2: Paul half courtive, who no good?

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Speaker 14: How the bounds?

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Speaker 15: Ducaine Cane do seventy one sixty seven, their first sen

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Speaker 15: cay A tournament win since nineteen sixty nine.

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Speaker 2: All right, Marvin brought this up yesterday. His bracket strategy

840
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: is he has to hear the call. Were you hearing

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00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: Duke Caine can do? Marvin?

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Speaker 14: Well, see and I both I was thinking more of

843
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 14: the player was like or the announcer was saying, all right,

844
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Speaker 14: I have it right, here in case Dukane wins. Du

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Speaker 14: Cane can't do. But like Drake, I was like, let's

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Speaker 14: put a Drake the Rapper song in there or long

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Speaker 14: Beach long shot.

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Speaker 5: That was my uh, that was my thinking.

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Speaker 2: How did that work out for you? Huh? Some point

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00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: spreads today Colgate getting fourteen and a half against Baylor. Wait,

851
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: what's wrong over there? We're making up?

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00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, like if Sanford wants Sanford and Son du dud du.

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00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: All back, Stetson getting twenty six and a half against Yukon,

854
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: Grambling getting twenty six and a half against Purdue, Longwood

855
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: getting twenty four against Houston. Just some of the ads.

856
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: By the way, Caitlin Clark is favored by thirty six

857
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: and a half against holy Cross. Final hour on the

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Speaker 2: way on this meet Friday,