1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to this conversation here on the Warning with Katie Couric, 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: and I'm going to turn it over to you right 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: away and started Katie's asking the questions. 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I asked. 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 3: I have a lot of questions always, But see before 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 3: we start, maybe you should. I think it might be 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 3: interesting for people joining us to hear a little bit 8 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 3: about how we know each other and kind of our 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 3: professional history. 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 4: Well we go back. 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: When did we first cross, like in the McCain and 12 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Bush years. 13 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 3: Yes, I think especially during the McCain campaign. 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: And especially during the McCain campaign, and of course the 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: very famous Sarah Palin interview that you did, which you know, 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: I tell people all these years later, you know that 17 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: everything that was going. 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 4: On in that campaign on that day when that interview came. 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: Out, it was literally the third biggest problem of the day, right, 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: it was the global economy was collapsing, you. 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: Know, right John McCain was Senator McCain was headed to 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 3: DC and right for that emergency meeting, remember, and it 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: kind of didn't help him because he didn't see that 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 3: engaged with economic information. 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: You know, it was a moment, it was a moment 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: in time. I'm still waiting I was I was thirty, 27 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: I was thirty seven when I when I was when 28 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: I was doing the McCain campaign, and I'm fifty four 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: now and I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me 30 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 1: what the unfair question it is that you asked Katie Cork. 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: Excuse me that that Katie Cork asked Sarah Palin, that 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: you asked Sarah Palin. 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: And you know the. 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: One thing that people really missed in that moment in 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, you asked this question of Paling, 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: which is, so what do you read every day? And 37 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: if you're preparing somebody for any type of national interview 38 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: on a presidential campaign, this is just a very early, early, 39 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: early question that you go through. What do you read? 40 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: Was the last book you read? Childhood? Pets? Basic, basic, 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: basic stuff. And when Sarah Palin answered that question, it 42 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: wasn't that she doesn't read. 43 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 4: It was her way of telling. 44 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: You to go fuck yourself, right, you know from a 45 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: and so you when you live by that creed, right, 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: you see what happens. So at any rate, right, it 47 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: was a grievance based answer. And I remember when the 48 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: campaign ended, and Republicans are out of power, and really 49 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: the locus of the Republican Party switches to Sixth Avenue 50 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: in New York, Roger Ales. Fox News is the new 51 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: head of a party, and Fox News has fundamentally staffed 52 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: the government. 53 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 4: You these many years later, but you have all these people. 54 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: Who were supposedly serious journalists, independent voices that you know, 55 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: were conservative in their strengths, sitting there. 56 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: In the in the months after the McCain. 57 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: Campaign ends, talking about Sarah Palin is a serious. 58 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 4: Future presidential candidate. 59 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: They engaged in the pretend with it, and all of 60 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: it takes off from there. Mitt Romney going to get 61 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: Trump's endorsement in twenty twelve. 62 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 4: Trump is a buffoon. You lived in New York, I 63 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 4: grew up in New Jersey. 64 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: No one wanted Trump's endorsement for any serious purpose. What 65 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: what Trump did was tapping into this racist current in 66 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: the party on the Birther strain. And John McCain was 67 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: appalled by it and condemned it, and Romney tried to 68 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: exploit it. And so everybody made their accommodations one step 69 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: at a time over many, many. 70 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 4: Many years. 71 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: And I literally you could unpack, you could unpack sixteen 72 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: years of comments of mine without contradiction right from the 73 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: first instance, going back to and my attitude on this 74 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: was always she failed at a performance level, at a 75 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: character level, was a terrible pick. But there was no 76 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: unfairness against hers, no conspiracy against her. There was a 77 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: conspiracy of stupidity that erupted after the fact in defense 78 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: of her. And so we have journeyed many miles down 79 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: the proverbial river over this last two decades to this 80 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: to this moment where we are now. But you know, 81 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: will always be bound up by this. In all you did, 82 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: you were the third major anchor right to interview her, 83 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: but you are the one who asked questions that revealed 84 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: an aspect of her character that people are still talking 85 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: about twenty years later, basically. And and the last thing 86 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: I'll say about it is, there's so few of those 87 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: types of interviews that are so necessary for the American 88 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 1: people to see that take. 89 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 4: Place at all. I mean, I think I could count. 90 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: On the I can count on my hand right the 91 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: number of interviews that that Trump has had that have 92 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: had deeply been deeply revealing interview. 93 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting, Steve, because I was thinking about 94 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: Bill Crystal the other day and he was well I 95 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: think about him a lot because I read the Bulwark 96 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: and what they're doing, and he was one of Sarah 97 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 3: Kalen's early supporters. I remember reading that he was really 98 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: taken by her. And I wonder how you think the 99 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 3: Tea Party movement led to the MAGA movement, because I 100 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: think there is a pretty direct line, is there not 101 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: from what was happening in that two thousand and eight 102 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: campaign and Donald Trump sort of taking the mantle of 103 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: this disenfranchised, grievance written party, you know, portion section of 104 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: the party. 105 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: So let's take a let's take a leap forward from 106 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight to two thousand and sixteen. And 107 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: the craziest answer did anybody give to a. 108 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 4: Question is Jeb Bush? 109 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: Now, think about this right whole campaign? Donald Trump in it, 110 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: Gold Medal winner. Craziest answer to a question. Jeb Bush 111 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: gets it, keeps it for all time. I'm gonna tell 112 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: you what it is. But even before we get there, 113 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: think about how insane it seems like Jeb Bush looked 114 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: into the mirror and came away with the conclusion that 115 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: there's going to be a third member of the Bush 116 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: family that was elected to office of the President of 117 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: the United States, that his father was on a national 118 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: ticket in eighty and eighty four and eighty eight and 119 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: ninety two, and then his brother in two thousand. In 120 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: two thousand and four, he was going to be on 121 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: a national ticket in twenty sixteen. It's extraordinary, Hubrius. It 122 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: was rejected by the country right at a fundamental level. 123 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 1: We don't talk about this with regard to Secretary Clinton, 124 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: and that was an aspect of it. Are we really 125 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: going to elect somebody's spouse after they had been president 126 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: for eight years, or somebody's or somebody's brother. But at 127 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: any rate, jet Bush has asked a question, knowing then 128 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: what we know now, would we have invaded Iraq again? 129 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: And jet Bush answers he says, oh, yes, absolutely, the 130 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: world is much safer. And Trump looked at him and 131 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: was basically like, you were nuts, And that's dishonest. 132 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 4: And so you have. 133 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: Trump on a constant basis finds himself in situations as 134 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: the world's most prolific liar, and I mean that literally 135 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: where in politics he's viewed in these exchanges. 136 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 4: As the more honest of the candidates. 137 00:08:54,840 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: So the Key Party movement embraced this noxious birther racist 138 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: lie and has all of these toxic elements. But the 139 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: Democrats have never been able to comprehend, though they're going 140 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: to in this next election, that the key party movement 141 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: at its core was a reaction to the Bush presidency. 142 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: It was a reaction to the spending. It was a 143 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: reaction to the bailouts, it was a reaction to the 144 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: lost Wars. And so what Trump did is burned down 145 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: an institution at the grassroots of the party felt had 146 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: been betrayed by the weakness of its elected leaders. And 147 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: so in two thousand and nine, the Republican Party is 148 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: in the position that Democrats are now. They are in 149 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: the minority in the Senate, in the minority in the House. 150 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: And what happens the locus of the party. 151 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 4: Moves to a television studio. 152 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: And Roger Als is the most powerful person politically in 153 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: the country. Every single Republican that today is terrified of Trump, 154 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: was terrified of Ales until Trump steamrolled Aales. 155 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 4: Roger Als made. 156 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: A move on Donald Trump during that campaign in twenty sixteen, 157 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: after Donald Trump had said Megan Kelly was bleeding out 158 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: of our eyes, and Roger Ales had basically said, well 159 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: that's enough. 160 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 4: We're not going to tolerate that. 161 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: I'm not going to let one of our stars be 162 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: abused by this guy. He's made a run. So this 163 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: is New York politics, my boss on my boss, so 164 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: to speak. And Roger Ales proverbially wound up like Costelano 165 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: outside of Sparkstate House, with the proverbial Trump sitting in 166 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: the car with Sandy the bullnecks to him. And that's 167 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: and that's what happened, and and so and so you 168 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: have the fusion of the party and the network into 169 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: what I would argue now, I mean, I don't there's 170 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: no real debate about this in my mind anymore. It's 171 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, when I every time we might have talked 172 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: about this once that I've used the word fascist, you know, 173 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: it's always with some trepidation because I want to be precise. 174 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to be hyperbolic. I want I want 175 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: to be I want to be precise and pactful in 176 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: my use of language. And he is a fascist, and 177 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: and and I've been right about that, and so we've 178 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: we've gone on a long journey over over seventeen years 179 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: from that moment to this moment. And it's all and 180 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: it's all deeply connected together. 181 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you and I had a pretty dark 182 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: conversational election night, and I'm just curious, now, six months later, 183 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 3: is it worse than you ever believed it would it 184 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: would be, Steve? 185 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: Or did you predict this? 186 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: I predicted it. I predicted the violence before the twenty election. 187 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: I predicted that Trump could be the nominee from the 188 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: moment he came down the escalator. I predicted it spot on. 189 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: But predicting it and knowing it is different than experiencing it. 190 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: And so what you realize when you're experiencing this and 191 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: you're seeing masked federal Gestapo, and that's what it is. 192 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: Purposeful use of these masks would still fear amongst the 193 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: people and the government of the people, by. 194 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 4: The people, for the people. 195 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: The consequences of what Joe Biden did and a small 196 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: team of people around him have been profound. The people 197 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: who got online to be in support of that delusion 198 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: did a tremendous amount of damage to predicted it at all. 199 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 4: But you know, there's a saying. 200 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: The years are long, the days are long, but the 201 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: years are short, and so there's a lot of long 202 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: days right now. And what you realize is that we 203 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: grew up certainly during times of momentous events. You were 204 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: on the air during September eleventh, World War two. When 205 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: we've experienced it, we've experienced it at three hour movies, 206 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: and we always know how it's going to end. But 207 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty nine in London, or in nineteen forty 208 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: or nineteen forty one, the days where the same length 209 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: they are today. 210 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 4: And I don't know what's going to happen next. 211 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: But I have a lot of faith that, knowing the 212 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: history of the country, that the country is very resilient. 213 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: The American people are slow to anger and slow to rise, 214 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: but are not inclined to tolerate the things that we're 215 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: seeing happen. And I think it'll be massively repudiated in 216 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: the end. I think it's going to be right a 217 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: period of renewal that that follows this, that is that 218 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: is pretty pretty profound, right, pretty pretty important, And if 219 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: there's a big, big fight coming in the country, and 220 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be exciting to be part of it. 221 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: Somebody named Deborah Johnson just commented what did Steve say 222 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: about Biden? And it did want me to dig into 223 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 3: Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson's book with You. You know 224 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: it has been and gosh controversial, to say the least. 225 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: I interviewed them. I guess it was last week or 226 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 3: the week before in Washington, and a lot of people 227 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: were very angry at them for writing this book. I 228 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 3: know it's been actually I think exploited by right wing 229 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 3: media in a way that I don't think they intended. 230 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: But what did you think of the book? What do 231 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: you think of. 232 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: Exploring and examining this inner circle and President Biden and 233 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 3: First Lady Jill Biden and their decision to stay in 234 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: the race. 235 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: And do you think there's room to. 236 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: Legitimately analyze and even criticize their actions? 237 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 4: Oh? I think that what they did is the is 238 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 4: somebody just. 239 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 3: Wrote bad timing. Tapper dumbass. That's the kind of comment. 240 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: What I would say. What I would say, Well, let 241 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: me you had an incapacitated president. 242 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: I think that's been a little hyperbolic. Steve President. 243 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: Advisors quoted in they said President's not ready to function at. 244 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 4: Two a m. 245 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: Well, that's true. I don't know. Limited Limited. 246 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson alleged conspiracy. 247 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 4: There was no conspiracy. Right excuse me. They alleged cover up. 248 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: Right there, there was no cover up, because everything happened 249 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: in plain sight and it was patently obvious. 250 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 4: I thought Dean Phillips saw it, George Clinton. 251 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: The Democratic, the Democratic members of Congress saw it. And 252 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: so what Jake Copper details are the extraordinary. 253 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 4: Actions of five people. 254 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: Who put themselves in their power and Biden's ambition for more, 255 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: his wife's ambition for more ahead of the country, and 256 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: they created a disastrous situation. Joe Biden promised to be 257 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: a transitional president and implied strongly he would serve one 258 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: term from the Geck. They used Trump as the rationale 259 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 1: for Biden to break that promise, under the delusion that 260 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: only Biden could be Trump, when in fact Biden was 261 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: probably the only Democrat who could lose to Trump. And 262 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: the people that are responsible for that are Mike Donald 263 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: and Steve Verschetti and Joe Biden and Done and her husband. 264 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: The president was manipulated. He wasn't shown the poll numbers. 265 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: He didn't know what his standing was in the race. 266 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 4: He didn't know that he was never ahead, not for 267 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 4: a day. 268 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: Those people lied to the Democratic Party, They lied to 269 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: the American people. And over and over again they said, 270 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: they said that they were ahead, and they were not. 271 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: And so what happened in the election was the most 272 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: prolific liar and the most dangerous man in American history 273 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: was elected narrowly because he was viewed as more honest 274 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: about Biden's health and fitness, about the border, and about 275 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: the economy. And so the Democrats shouted down anybody that 276 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: told the truth about this, me included, and they assassinated 277 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: their characters, and they canceled the New Hampshire primary, all 278 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: of it, all of it and a nakedly blatant partisan 279 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: attempt to put his interests ahead of the countries at 280 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: an existential moment, and the country repudiated it. And any 281 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: person who was materially involved in it who thinks that 282 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: they're going to be on the ticket in twenty twenty 283 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: eight or that, in Chuck Schumer's words, we just moved forward, 284 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: and that there's no accounting for that. Donald Trump, as 285 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: bad as he is doing and the terrible things he's doing, 286 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: is far more popular than the Democratic Party. Why the 287 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: brand of chattered. It's broken because of the gas lighting 288 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: and because of the lie. But the omission in the 289 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: Tapper book is the media role. And so you have 290 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: someone like like jos Barbara, who's on the record saying, 291 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: every single person who comes on my show says one 292 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 1: thing on camera and something else off camera. What they 293 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: said on camera was this was the best biting ever, 294 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: and what they said off camera is I can't believe 295 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: he's running again. So there was a conversation that took 296 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: place off camera between the most powerful people in the 297 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: country and the media, and another one that took place 298 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: off camera that the American people didn't get to see. 299 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 3: So that was really I think, I was going to say, Steve, 300 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 3: I think it was really uncomfortable for a lot of 301 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 3: journalists too. I'm not I'm not justifying it, but I think, 302 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 3: you know, people forget journalists are human beings, and I 303 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: think it was very uncomfortable for them to question Joe 304 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 3: Biden's metal acuity or decline. And I think it's sort 305 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 3: of like asking your father to give you the car keys, right, 306 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 3: and then when any suggestion was made, like David apselrod 307 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 3: right was one of those people who spoke pretty openly 308 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 3: about this. George Clooney as someone just said they would 309 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 3: get so pummeled. But I think you're right. I'm not, 310 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 3: as I said, I'm not justifying it. I think there 311 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 3: was there should have been more focus. And I asked 312 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: Jake when I interviewed him, do you think the fact 313 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: that Fox News was sort of mocking and belittling and 314 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 3: kind of very cruelly And one might argue how people 315 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: treat Trump in that way too, but how they were 316 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 3: cruelly portraying Joe Biden is tripping and losing, you know, 317 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 3: his way on a stage or falling off of you know, 318 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: you know, tripping on something that it almost something internally 319 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: made you discount it in a way. I thought that 320 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 3: was sort of interesting because I think sometimes we forget 321 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 3: about sort of the human emotional impact that sometimes these 322 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: issues have on reporters. 323 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: Well, listen, we have we have in this country a 324 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: total collapse of trust in the media. It's so bad 325 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: that your average person doesn't believe it's possible to know 326 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: what's real by consuming it. Right, So we live in 327 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: a country fundamentally where right there is no reality anymore. 328 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: There's a bit of battle that's gone on in this 329 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: space between the lie and the truth. It's wrestling out there, 330 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: and you know, the lie is prevailing in a lot 331 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: of ways. 332 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 4: But I just. 333 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: Fox is extreme and dishonest. Scott Jennings works for CNN. 334 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: How did we get here? So Jay Tapper is not 335 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: going to talk about the CNN fight music, before the 336 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: Trump town hall, before the glorification of Trump. Right, the 337 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: entire premise of the New York Times coverage has been 338 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: that Maggie Haberman is an exceptional reporter, uniquely positioned, a 339 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: Trump whisperer. Entire millions of dollars of brand campaigns alone, 340 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: she can interpret. And in the end, I guess they 341 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: missed the lead, which is that he's a pretty dangerous fascist, 342 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: which some of us have. 343 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 4: Seen coming for a long time. 344 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: And so in the end, everything that I said that 345 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: would happen if Biden ran for a second term happened. 346 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: I said it in twenty one, I said it in 347 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: twenty two, and a lot of people have been brutalized 348 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: by lying, by powerful interest in the party. 349 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 4: Right there's you know, the media tells the. 350 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: Country that the two parties have nothing in common. 351 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 4: They have something in common. 352 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: Yet eighty five percent of the country looked at a 353 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: Biden Trump rematch and said we don't want and the 354 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: leadership of the two major parties was well, that's the 355 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: choice you're going. 356 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 4: To get, and it created disaster. 357 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: And so so what I would say to some people 358 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: that are out there, you know, whether it's Cheryl, you 359 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: are a Republican and I don't know Cheryl, or an 360 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: apology for being a Republican a party that I left 361 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eighteen on a matter of integrity 362 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: and conviction because the party left me on these on 363 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: these core issues. But two party system, what party is 364 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: it that Trump beat? And why did they beat it? 365 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: Why did so many people who voted for Barack Obama 366 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: suddenly turn raisist and vote for Trump? Right in the 367 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: estimation of so many of the leading experts of the 368 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: Democratic Party. So we have a situation where we're approaching 369 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: the last chance elections. 370 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 4: Can we go? 371 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 2: Before we talk about the future, I just want. 372 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: To ask you one one more question about the whole 373 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 3: Biden sort of reevaluation. Do you think if Joe Biden had, 374 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 3: in fact, as he said, I was going to I'm 375 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 3: going to be a bridge to a new generation of leaders, 376 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: and had made clear maybe halfway through his presidency, granted 377 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 3: he would have been laying Duck and said I'm not 378 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: going to run, and a primary process could have happened, 379 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: Steve and the American people, even if they didn't know, 380 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 3: some of these names, could have, through a series of 381 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: debates and public appearances, etc. Been exposed to a new 382 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: slate of candidates. Do you think, and again, this is 383 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 3: pure speculation that Donald Trump would have been defeated by 384 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 3: whoever emerged as the strongest candidate in that process. 385 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Donald Trump was a historically weak candidate who beat 386 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: the only Democrat that he could beat, and that was 387 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: and that was Biden. And I think Vice President Harris 388 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: deserves a great deal of credit. I think he performed 389 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: at the highest deceivable level that she's able to perform 390 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: at in a political campaign with. 391 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 4: A terrible with a terrible hand of cards. 392 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: But every person around Biden saw the diminished capacity, and 393 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: every person who said, hey, he ought to be president 394 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: un till he's eighty six, who was reckless. 395 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 4: And it has opened the gates. 396 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: To the gravest threat to country faces since the Civil War. 397 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: And so now right the idea that those saying people 398 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: who shouted everybody down get to say, now conversations over, 399 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: We'll tell you who's going to run next time? 400 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 4: Absolutely not, absolutely not. 401 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: And so there are some great young Democrats who have 402 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: no attachment to this, who are unencumbered, untainted by it, 403 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: did not gasolate the country. And those are the people 404 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: that are the future of the Democratic Party, not the 405 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: people that are part of this. 406 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 3: Who are some of the people who you're looking at 407 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 3: in terms of twenty twenty eight. I know that Pete 408 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 3: Buddhajet's just announced he's not going to run for Senate 409 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 3: so he can focus on potentially running for president in 410 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight? 411 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: Are there other candidates on. 412 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 3: The horizon that give you real's hope? 413 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 4: I look at somebody. 414 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: So first off, I could I think we have to 415 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: reject the idea as a first principle that the predicate 416 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: to be elected president requires you to serve in the 417 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: Senator as governor? Is this does not serve the country. Well, 418 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: this graduate school approach that you want to get into. 419 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 4: Harvard law, well you got to go to Harvard and 420 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 4: then to you know, the right high school. Nonsense. 421 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: So, in the Biden episode, against the entirety of the 422 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: elected leadership of the Democratic Party, people who showed real 423 00:28:54,240 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: integrity and real character, start with George Clooney, I start 424 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: with Dean Phillips. Now, when I look at somebody who 425 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: was who was on my program, and I asked him 426 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: a question, I said, if you were president, what would 427 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: you do? Jake Auchincloss, who is a congressman, a Rhodes scholar, 428 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: and a Marine officer, knows exactly what he would want 429 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: to do as president. Aot has a thirty percent national 430 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: approval level, thirty percent. If she gets that up, she 431 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: could be a formidable candidate. She could be a formidable 432 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: candidate in the Democratic primary. But is somebody with a 433 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: thirty percent approval level going to be the person to 434 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: lead the party out of the wilderness? 435 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 4: Is the party is the country? 436 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: Is trying to say something to Democrats looking for a 437 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: socialist from the bronx. 438 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 4: So JB. 439 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: Prisker, Wes Moore, Josh Shapiro, the governors. Gavin Newsom put 440 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: himself in the position as being one of the chief 441 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: gas writers for Joe Biden. He Gavin Newsom's position on 442 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: this was, Hey, I was loyal to Biden, and that's 443 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: what matters. You weren't loyal to the country when it mattered, right, 444 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: and you lost your credibility, and so in order to 445 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: beat Trump, it requires the ability to be honest, to 446 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: tell the truth about the orgy of corruption going on. 447 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: When Chuck Schumer comes out and he says, after Menendez 448 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: is arrested with the gold bars in his jacket, that hey, 449 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: Menendez was a great public servant for the people in 450 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: New Jersey. Right, So what we have is a sort 451 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: of tribal warfare between these d people and the RPP. 452 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: And none of the people were with us, by the way, 453 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: or invited in. 454 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 4: Any of these rooms. 455 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: Right, They're not represented, and so they deserve to be 456 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: told the truth. And when you look at the Jake 457 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: Tapper book, you know, the fundamental mistruth of the Tapper 458 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: book is that Tapper says, well, this is worse than Watergate, 459 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: which I guess makes Tim Bob Woodward, except for there 460 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: was no cover up, because everything that happened happened in 461 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 1: plain sight. There was a conspiracy of people strong arming 462 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: any descent and cracking down. 463 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 4: On the statement of obvious. 464 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: So all the Democrats who looked at Donald Trump and 465 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: the Republicans were total disdain And. 466 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 4: I didn't stay in line. I got out of line. 467 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: So the day that Trump came down the escalator. When 468 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: I denounced them, every single Republican was with me. When 469 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: I look around from every person I ever worked with 470 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: for my entire career, the Republican pray all of them. 471 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: Every thousands of people, there's like four or five left? 472 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 4: Do you have five left? 473 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: And the Democrats watching that did the same exact thing 474 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: with Biden. They all got online with something they knew 475 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: was ab third and delusional. 476 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 3: And thank you Winter brightly like Jatie speak, No, I 477 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 3: catch your point, and I you know, speaking of moving forward, Steve, 478 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 3: do you think we're hearing rumblings by Republicans about the 479 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 3: budget bill? You know, Josh Holly and Susan Collins and 480 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 3: Ran Paul is worried about the deficit. And then there's 481 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 3: this little known part. I was just talking to Joyce 482 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 3: Vance about this hidden provision that says that it will 483 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 3: limit the judiciary's ability to use contempt of court rulings 484 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 3: to actually force an issue on anyone, including perhaps the 485 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 3: President of the United States. Do you think that bill 486 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 3: is going to pass? And do you think any Republicans 487 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: are going to grow a pair? Finally, I don't. 488 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, but but I would, it's astonishing to 489 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: conceive of of the question. 490 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 4: And let's use Rand Paul as a as a specific example. 491 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: And so however, Ran Paul has been a long however 492 00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: long Ram Paul has been around. Now, right, what's the shick? Right, 493 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm a constitutionalist. The Bill of Rights spending, spending, spending. 494 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: So I'm a moderate Republican, always have been, which means right, 495 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: the moderate Republican, by by path definition, is the most 496 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: fiscally conservative person in the country. So I like the 497 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: spending restraint as an argument. It's why I'm a It's 498 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: why I was a Republican. So here's the difference between 499 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: a million and a billion and a trillion, So you 500 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: understand the five trillion dollar debt that they're talking about 501 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: adding in this bill. If I say to you, Katie, 502 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: let's we'll meet up in a million seconds, that's in 503 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: twelve days. If I say let's meet up in a 504 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: billion seconds, we will see each other in thirty three years. 505 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: If I say we will meet up in a trillion seconds, 506 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: that's a thirty three thousand years. 507 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 4: That's the difference. 508 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,479 Speaker 2: When did you spend the time figuring that out? 509 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: That's the difference between a billion and a trillion, and 510 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: they're adding five trillion of debt. Never before has so 511 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: much been taken from so many. 512 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 4: By so few, with so much. 513 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: And if you care about the idea that we shouldn't 514 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: completely bankrupt the country for our kids, if that strikes 515 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: you as a moral chord, right, that like when you 516 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: die at a personal level, right, I'm not going to 517 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: leave my kids a giant mountain of credit card debt 518 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: and the amount of stealing from our kids future with this, 519 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: with this piece of legislation, there's no there's there's never 520 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: been anything like it. 521 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 4: It is. 522 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: It's the most corrupt, single piece of legend in the 523 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: history of the American Republic in two hundred and fifty years. 524 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: Any person who has who has any attachment whatsoever to 525 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: like a conservative trinciple, one thin thread of attachment left 526 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: right to the size of government, right to restraint, to 527 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: fiscal order and management, cannot conceivably. 528 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 4: Consider voting for this. 529 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: But they will because it's a rubber stamp, and it's 530 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: a pile bureau and it's extraordinary to watch it all unfold. 531 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 2: And do you think it'll be stopped? Do you think 532 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 2: it'll be stopped? Steve? 533 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 4: I think I don't know. 534 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 1: I honestly, I honestly don't know. I mean, I don't know. 535 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: I still don't understand. How you look. Three years ago, 536 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: I said, Marco Rubio is the type of guy in 537 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine in QBA he would have been carrying 538 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: Castro's coat, which is exactly what he turned out doing, 539 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: except Castro's Trump he got ninety nine votes in the 540 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: Democratic Senate and Pete Headseth got confirmed, Pulsy Gabber got confirmed, 541 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy got confirmed, and it's astonished. So if those 542 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: people could get confirmed, is it possible that bill could pass? 543 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 4: It is possible. But what it will do is trigger. 544 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: A level of pain and suffering, collapse of rural health 545 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: services and hospitals, a great taking of public lands. 546 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 2: Food for kids, food for a hungred kids. 547 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it's and it's terrible and it's 548 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: going to be real devastating. And the problem politically is 549 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: still right, you have to win an election, and the 550 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: Democratic Party, because it's anchored to this Biden insanity, can't 551 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: move on. 552 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 3: Well, maybe they will, maybe they can, maybe someone and 553 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 3: so so. 554 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 4: So that's so that's the question. 555 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: You have to you have to be able to win, 556 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: you have to have credibility. 557 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 3: Hay, Steve, before we go, you know, it's interesting. I 558 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 3: was watching something somewhere. I watch so much and read 559 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,919 Speaker 3: so much I can't I don't even remember. But there's 560 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 3: this guy named Lawrence Britt, and apparently this poster was 561 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 3: available at the Holocaust Museum. But it was the early 562 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 3: warning signs of fascism. I'm sure you've seen this. This 563 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 3: was written in two thousand and three after this. Lawrence 564 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 3: Britt wrote it after researching seven fascist regimes Hitler's Nazi 565 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 3: germanying with Selini's Italy, Franco Spain, Salassar's Portugal, Papadopolis is Greece, 566 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 3: and Pinochet's Chili Sarto's Indonesia. 567 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,240 Speaker 2: So here are the warning signs. 568 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 3: And I just want to go down really quickly and 569 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 3: just give me a yes or no with a short 570 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 3: statement about each of them. Powerful and continuing nationalism. 571 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, disdain. 572 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 3: For human rights, identification of enemies as a unifying cause. 573 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 2: You bet who are the enemies? 574 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 1: Steve Trump talks about the ubiquitous day all the time. 575 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 4: There's always a day in the day. 576 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: Is a phantom and amorphous ghost that transit, the corporate space, 577 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,720 Speaker 1: the media space. Any anybody who is opposed to Trump 578 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: is a part of the insidious day and. 579 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 4: To be targeted. 580 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: And you hear the words that he uses that people 581 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: are scum, or they're sick, or they're deranged, or they're nasty, 582 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: that every criticism results in a full on character attack. 583 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: For example, Scott Pelley, if you tell the truth, you 584 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: are attacked because in the end, right, this is a 585 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: fear based system and truth tellers require fearlessness, and so 586 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: the truth and fearlessness are always married in a way 587 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: that's a threat. 588 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 4: To the fascists. 589 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the vilification of DEI is another 590 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 3: way of you know, weaponizing or demonizing, you know, people 591 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 3: of color, trans people, anyone who and you know, may 592 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,320 Speaker 3: not be a white person in America, a white Christian 593 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 3: person in America. 594 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 4: All right. 595 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: Supremacy of the military absolutely. 596 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: Kim Jong Un parade on the June fourteenth, two hundred 597 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 1: fiftieth anniversary of the US Army, greatest dessecration in the 598 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: history of the US Armed Forces, two hundred and fiftieth 599 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: anniversary of the US Army to Trump parade. 600 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 4: It's just great. 601 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 3: It's so gross and I can't believe. I guess they 602 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 3: have no choice. 603 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 4: Huh. 604 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 2: They have to demander. 605 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: He's the commander, he's the commander in chief, and he 606 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 1: wants his parade. 607 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 3: And isn't it going to cost two hundred and fifty 608 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 3: million dollars? 609 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 4: I'm sure. And by the way, you know, in my 610 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 4: entire government career. 611 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: Any time that anybody throws out a number of what's 612 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,879 Speaker 1: going to cost, it is never one time ever cost 613 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: less than that amount. It always costs forty percent more 614 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time. 615 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 3: Rampant sexism, absolutely controlled mass media. 616 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 2: Hello. 617 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 3: Obsession with national security yep. Religion and government intertwined. What 618 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 3: we just are seeing in Oklahoma, for example. 619 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: You just thought Pete hegsheth conduct a fundamentalist religious service. 620 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 2: Wasn't that crazy? 621 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: And it is unconstitutional, It is inappropriate and it is 622 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: no good. 623 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, wait, let me just free They're only 624 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:43,919 Speaker 2: six more. 625 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 3: Corporate power protected yep, labor power suppressed yep. Disdain for 626 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,720 Speaker 3: intellectuals and the arts big time. Look at the Kennedy Center. 627 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:05,760 Speaker 3: Obsession with crime and punishment yep. Rampant cronyism and corruption 628 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 3: check check fraudulent elections. I thought that was interesting. 629 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: Yep, perception and reality. I mean, it doesn't have to 630 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: be a fraudulent election. But you're listening with the The 631 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: original sin in all of this isn't isn't what the 632 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: people around Biden did. It's it's about the fact that 633 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: you had a guy who lied about. 634 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 4: The results of a presidential. 635 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: Election and somehow was able to overpower the society's truth 636 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: tellers with the lie and convince half the country that 637 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: an American presidential election that was free and fair and 638 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: nearly pristine was not one of the great tragedies in 639 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: the history of the country. 640 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 3: So I want to go back to your to your 641 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 3: earlier thing, just to close things out and to make 642 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 3: people feel less depressed. You know, you said there is 643 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 3: going to be what did you say, There's going to 644 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 3: be a reckoning? 645 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 2: Right? 646 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 3: I think you said that and that this these things 647 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 3: will not stand in essence. Why are you so confident 648 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:24,760 Speaker 3: of that, Steve. 649 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,240 Speaker 4: I believe in America. I have faith in the country. 650 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,839 Speaker 1: I have faith in the American people, and I understand 651 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: how it is that Trump won and there's been a 652 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: terrible cost to the politics of self interest and what 653 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: I want to say, you know, to everybody who's making comments. 654 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,239 Speaker 4: I appreciate you so much. 655 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: Getting on taking time out of your taking time out 656 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,359 Speaker 1: of your day, and I want to do everything I 657 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: can try to persuade you of something in the next minute, 658 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: which is that the most powerful people in the world 659 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: are not owed your fandom. They're not owed your fandom. 660 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: Stop stop being a fan, be it, be a citizen. 661 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: And if you read the Jake Tapper book about the 662 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: specifics of what people did, and I've been very critical 663 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: about the book about the omissions about someone like Joe 664 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 1: Scarborough told his audience after you if you don't believe 665 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: it's the best Biden ever, right, all all of this dishonesty, 666 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 1: we paid a terrible price for it. In that and 667 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: that and that crisis. Donald is Donald Trump. And the 668 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: idea that there's a good party and an evil maga party, 669 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: it's not true. Uh, there is two dishonest parties. And 670 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: the person who is the demagogue with a preternatural ability 671 00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,080 Speaker 1: to lie in the grift is the person in a 672 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: contest of dishonesty that prevailed. And the answer to get 673 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: out of this is to be for better. And so 674 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: there has always been moments of crisis and doubt around 675 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: the fiftieth anniversaries of our independence. It was true at 676 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,240 Speaker 1: the fiftieth anniversary, and it's true at the two hundred 677 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:30,320 Speaker 1: and fiftieth anniversary. And so the country came within thirty 678 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,399 Speaker 1: seconds of not surviving at Gettysburg. 679 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 4: And the moment. 680 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: Requires a lot of confrontation right now with some terrible 681 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:49,720 Speaker 1: ideas from a place of conviction, integrity, and a recognition 682 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: that what Donald Trump is smashing doesn't snap back. 683 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 4: Into being when it's all over. 684 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: But do we want to live in a country where 685 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: we got guys with masks running around with FBI jackets, 686 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:13,320 Speaker 1: snatching people off of the streets, spreading fear. And the 687 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: answer to that is absolutely not. And so so what 688 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: do we gotta what do we gotta do we have 689 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 1: to do is we have to let go of the 690 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:29,359 Speaker 1: past and specifically fifteen to twenty people who were the 691 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 1: architects of the political strategy that led to this catastrophe. 692 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 1: That that's what that's what an opposition has to do. 693 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 4: And so all. 694 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: Over the country right if you're thinking of running for office, 695 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: run run for Congress, run for the state legislature, I 696 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,200 Speaker 1: think that there's going to be a civic awakening after 697 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: this right, but the idea that you can only see 698 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: the dishonesty when it's committed by the other party and 699 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,320 Speaker 1: not inside your own. 700 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 4: What Donald Trump has served to power on. 701 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 1: His hypocrisy, because the one thing Trump is not is 702 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,759 Speaker 1: not a hypocrite. He's utterly transparent. He revels in his thumbbagger. 703 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't try to hide it. Trump's never ran as 704 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: a good guy. His run is a tough guy, a 705 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: punisher for the people that ordinary people in this country 706 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 1: feel so aggrieved at. He is the demagogue that the 707 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,320 Speaker 1: Founders worried about and warned about from the very beginning. 708 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 4: He came to be. 709 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:45,359 Speaker 1: If George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were here, right, if 710 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 1: all the founders were here, and we got ten minutes 711 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: with him, right, and we had to tell him, right 712 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 1: what happened, how to work out? I mean, we would 713 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,399 Speaker 1: definitely want to show them the flag on the moon, right. 714 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 1: I would definitely want to show them Barack Obama's picture, right, 715 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 1: And then I would want to talk to them about 716 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 1: not the things that they didn't see, but that they 717 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 1: would understand pretty quickly how they came to be on 718 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,480 Speaker 1: a straight line from the vision and how it expanded. 719 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,359 Speaker 4: I think they'd get that right away. But the thing 720 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 4: I'd want to talk. 721 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: To them about is that the demagogue that they saw 722 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: in the seventeen eighties Kleon was the Athenian demagogue. 723 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 4: That's who they were worried about. He's here. 724 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 1: He rose in over ten years time, beginning with one 725 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 1: chant that was lock her up. I remember being on 726 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: TV at the time. I said, oh boy, banana republicanism, 727 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: but that's fascism. 728 00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 4: And so how did he get there? 729 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: One step at a time, one day at a time, 730 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 1: and how are we going to recover out of this 731 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: one step at a time, one day at a time. 732 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: But the American people are going to have to maybe 733 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,840 Speaker 1: a decision, right and they're going to get a vote. 734 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,040 Speaker 1: We get a vote in two years time to either 735 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 1: say we want a group of people around Trump to 736 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,239 Speaker 1: tell him yes everything. 737 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 4: He wants to do, or we want. 738 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 1: To check around this guy. And that's the question. In 739 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. 740 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:39,840 Speaker 2: Six, Steve, I love talking to you, and. 741 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 4: I love talking to you Katie. 742 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,319 Speaker 3: Anyway, thank you guys for watching. We've taken up a 743 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 3: lot of time. I've heard that these conversations are both 744 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,640 Speaker 3: supposed to be fifteen to thirty minutes, but I can't 745 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,680 Speaker 3: do that with Steve. You guys, I just we usually 746 00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 3: go on and on, but Steve, take care. Let's talk 747 00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 3: against Good to see. 748 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 2: It, Good to see you. Bye everyone. 749 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,880 Speaker 4: I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning. 750 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,880 Speaker 1: I invite you to join this community, where I promise 751 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: to be honest, blunt and direct about what is happening 752 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 1: in this country. America is in crisis. Follow and subscribe 753 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: to this channel and on substaff. 754 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,120 Speaker 4: Thank you,