1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Channel one two. A painstaking search over nine acres. We're 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: going through it with the equivalent of a fine tooth comb. 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: The search for four missing young men from Bucks County 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: centered on a farm in Silbury Township. We're getting a 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: lot of strong indications that this is where we need 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: to focus. They look for evidence of the four young 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: men who disappeared within days of each other. It's very disturbing. 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Jimmy Patrick was first reported missing on Wednesday. Just two 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: days later, Mark Sturgist, Tom Meo, and Deep Finochi are 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: also disappeared. Police arrested twenty year old Cosmo di Nardo 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: on unrelated weapons charges, but stopped short of calling him 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: a suspect. Mr DeNardo is a person of interest local 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: authorities and now saying, simply hang on to hope in 15 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: Bucks County. I'm talking about the four young guys. They 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: all look scrubbed in sunshine to me. Four young guys 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: mysteriously go missing. You know, I started preparing to do 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: this for ABC's Good Morning America and reading and reading 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: and reading about it, and listening to every scrap of 20 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: evidence I could find I ended up staying up till 21 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: about two o'clock the night before getting up at four. Actually, 22 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: because there's just so many intricacies involved in the disappearance 23 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: of four young guys. They just seemingly disappear out of nowhere. 24 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: But now authorities are all converging at a sixty eight 25 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: acre corn farm, yes, out in a rural area, and 26 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: developments are happening hot and heavy as the families are 27 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: four young guys, some ten means are standing by, and 28 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: it broke my heart to hear that a lot of 29 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: their families are just standing around police vehicles at the 30 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: search location, just standing there wondering is my son dead 31 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: or alive? I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank 32 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: you for being with us and with me. Special guests 33 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: from w f m Z TV Jamie Stover joining us 34 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: from Bucks County as the search for the four missing 35 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: young men stretches in today four Jamie, thank you so 36 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: much for being with us. They've compared it to looking 37 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: for a needle in a haystack. Tell me how this 38 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: whole thing went down. First of all, police are trying 39 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: to probe the connection between the four missing. Why are 40 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: these four missing? Now? I know two of them are 41 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: best friends. What more do we know about the crack? 42 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: Two of them are best friends the rest And that's 43 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: what's so interesting about a lot of us is there 44 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: really isn't um. Like you said, we're going now into 45 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: the fourth day of searching. It's now been a week 46 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: since one of those young men was reported missing, and 47 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: it's still unclear really how all these men knew each other, 48 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: knew each other if in fact they did um and 49 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: and appears, at least in the public realm, that that's 50 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: what the investigators are trying to figure out. Even in 51 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: the day four just yesterday, the district attorney was was 52 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: saying that they still need the public's help in determining 53 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: what exactly the nature of these relationships may have been. 54 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: They are leading to believe that they somehow knew each other. Um. 55 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: But that's really what's what's so interesting about this. And 56 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: then you you add on um, you know that one 57 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: of the recent developments of now having a person of interest, uh, 58 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: you add on a fifth person where we're trying to 59 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: figure out what was potentially the relationship between five of 60 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: these young men who who are involved in in this 61 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: story that is really just exploded in just part of Pennsylvania. Well, 62 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: the one person that Jamie's talking about, the so called 63 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: person of interest, and they wouldn't even say that at 64 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: the begin inning, is the son of the owner of 65 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: this large corn farm. It's Cosmo di Nardo. He's about 66 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: nineteens twenty years old, and he has had mental disturbances 67 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: in the past. He has been involuntarily committed in the past. 68 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: He has been spotted walking around this this farm in 69 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: camo camouflage outfit with a gun. Okay, Now, he's not 70 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: supposed to have a gun, and I don't know what 71 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: the restrictions on him were, but they have arrested him. 72 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: They've booked him on a gun charge, nothing to do 73 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: with the disappearance. But I want to go back to 74 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: these four guys. I've gone over and over and over everything. 75 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: Two of them, Uh Sturgis, Mark Sturgis, and twenty one 76 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: year old Tom Mayo longtime friends. That's how those two 77 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: know each other. Okay, Also they weren't for Sturgis's dad, 78 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: Mark Potash, all right, That's how Mark and Tom know 79 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: each other. Then Dean Finocchiaro is a mutual friend of both, 80 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: so that's how he fits in we have one more 81 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: missing that accounts for finn o'kiarro Sturgis in Mayo. Then 82 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: there's Jimmy tar Patrick. Nobody knows exactly how Patrick fits in, 83 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: but I can tell you this. I have been reading 84 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: and learned that Patrick was a Facebook friend of DiNardo, 85 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: the potential person of interest. They were Facebook friends. Now 86 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: what does that mean? That may mean nothing more, Jamie 87 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:51,119 Speaker 1: than Donardo went online and friended Patrick. That that doesn't 88 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: really mean a lot. But these are the developments that 89 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: I know about that that we did learn a little 90 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: bit more last night. One of our reporters last night 91 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: spoke with friends of Jimmy Patrick um and said that 92 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: he went to school with DeNardo, but stop short of 93 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: calling them friends. Uh. These these these friends that we 94 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: interviewed were actually not even familiar uh personally with Donardo, 95 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: and they wouldn't classify Patrick and DeNardo as friends. But 96 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: it appears that they did go to school together at 97 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: least for a short short time. UM. So that is 98 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: one piece of information that is is starting starting to 99 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: come out as well. But you're right, that is the 100 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: only person that DeNardo, of these four men is actually 101 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: friends with on Facebook. From anything we've been able to 102 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: find online. The other three. There's not a clear connection 103 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: to Donardo, at least on any social media account. You 104 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: know this is I come from a very rural area 105 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: and it reminds me of that. This is many people 106 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: have said, out in the middle of nowhere, Jamie. And 107 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: it's beautiful country. It's Silbury Township, Pennsylvania. It's not far 108 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: from upscale Bucks County. And these parents, I mean, one 109 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: of these kids, nineteen years old, never been in a 110 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: day of trouble in his life. One said their son 111 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: likes to sit at home and play the guitar. Uh. 112 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: They talk about their their dreams of what they want 113 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: to do when they quote get out of college and 114 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: go on. And now the FBI, along with six other 115 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: agencies are involved. They just disappear in the twinkling of 116 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: an eye. And now authorities have brought in quote heavy equipment. 117 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm talking back hose, bobcats, cranes. It's not good, Jamie Stover, 118 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: when they're looking for you with a back code, all right, 119 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: that ain't No, there's nothing good about the district attorney 120 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: I added yesterday. I mean he he has not gone 121 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: as far to say that. Um, you know that that 122 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: this is going to be a rim reality in the 123 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: end of it. He's he's quoted multiple times, as I'm 124 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: sure you've been reading, saying that they are still holding 125 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: on to hope. Um. But he he did, in fact 126 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: say yesterday then in addition to that heavy equipment that 127 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: you're speaking of, if you've seen any of the surrailance 128 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: video or excuse me, the uh the overhead video of 129 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: that property showing them digging, they did bring in cadaverted 130 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: arms as well. Oh oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, Jamie, 131 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: Jamie Waite, Alan, are you with me? With me? Alan 132 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: do joining me my buddy and colleague Alan. Oh, I 133 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: just thought about it. You can't find your your kid, 134 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: you can't find your son, and you see them bringing 135 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: back cos Oh, dear God in heaven. Can you even 136 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: imagine what these parents are going through. And they're all 137 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: clustering around a cup car at the scene every day, 138 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: just standing there watching bringing in bobcats and back cos oh. 139 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: Any answers wondering it's the most painful thing to father, 140 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: where mother could go through. I would imagine Jamie Stover 141 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: with me from w f m Z TV, joining me 142 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: from Bucks County. Jamie we know this as well. This 143 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: is a sprawling family property there in Slabury Township. We 144 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: know that it's about thirty miles north of Philly. Six 145 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: other agencies involved, in addition to the FBI. We know 146 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: that one cell phone has been tracked to this area. 147 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: I think it's Finocchio's cell phone was tracked there. And 148 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: then not only that places him there somewhere in that area, 149 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: then one car has been found parked in a garage, 150 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: kind of a hidden I can't imagine what it's like. 151 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: You may know better than me. And they've just found 152 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: the car. Another car was of the boys was found 153 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: a nearby shopping area and Peddler's Village whose car is 154 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: where Jamie Stover. So the first car that you spoke 155 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: of that has not been confirmed on our end by 156 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: by anybody uh an official capacity. I do believe that 157 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: has been reported elsewhere. The second car that you're speaking 158 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: of is Mark Sturgis, and I did speak with his family, 159 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: and according to his family, his car, like you mentioned, 160 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: was was found at Peddler's Village, which is less than 161 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: a mile from that property where they've been searching now 162 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: for for four days. Um And what stood out to 163 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: the family about where that car was parked. Peddler's Village 164 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: is it's it's it's a shopping center that they would 165 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: not anticipate seeing um their son shopping at. It's more 166 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: of a of a family facility. It's it's not somewhere 167 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: where you know, a twenty seven year old kid would 168 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: just pop in and you know, to quote them almost 169 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: exactly too, you know, they don't picture him stopping in 170 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: and just getting an ice cream cone and walking around. 171 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: So that's another piece of the puzzle that we're still 172 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: waiting as many of these pieces we're still waiting on 173 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: to really get a clear image of what exactly happened here. 174 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: But that seemed very out of character to that family, 175 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: in addition to him not coming home at all, not calling, 176 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: and then not showing up for work the next day, 177 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: in addition to his best friend who also worked for 178 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: that construction company. As you mentioned just a little bit ago, 179 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, my fiancee was murdered working for a construction 180 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: company at the middle of nowhere on a hot summer day. 181 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: And it's really made me think about that. A lot 182 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: these guys working this summer for a construction company belonging 183 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: to one of the dads. I've got a lot of 184 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: questions for you. I wanted to establish the facts pretty 185 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: much as we know them right now. The searches up 186 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: and going right now again day four for these four 187 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: young guys. What time of the day? And I know 188 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: a lot of these answers may not be clear right now, 189 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: just throwing you some rapid fire questions that means something 190 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: to me after thousands of investigations of missing people and 191 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: homicide investigations, Jamie, what time of the day do we 192 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: think they disappeared? Some of them were spotted before they disappeared. 193 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: What do we know? That's another question that we don't 194 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: have a lot of answers on. I can speak the 195 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: most to Mark Sturgis, whose family UM reported him missing 196 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: the following Saturday because he didn't show up to work 197 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: and he never came home, and he lived and he 198 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: lived with his parents. But it's not really clear exactly 199 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: when he went missing. Um, you know the shopping center 200 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: where his where his car was left. UM. I've spoken 201 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: with family, I've I've asked prosecutors. You would think there 202 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: would be some sort of surveillance video that they could 203 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: get a time frame on. Did he walk from his car, 204 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: did he did someone come up to his car? What 205 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: time did that happen? When did he arrive? Um? And 206 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, investigators have really been keeping this very very 207 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: tight to the vest and have not even established at 208 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: least publicly that they have that video. They really are 209 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: not getting as much. Well, are there video cameras in 210 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: Peddler's village? Certainly one of the shops has to have 211 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: I would think so, given the size of of that facility. Now, 212 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: whether or not there's camera's pointing to exactly where his 213 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: car is that I don't know. I know that that 214 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: is questions that his family has asked. We don't know 215 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: where it was parked in the parking lot, was anybody 216 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: was he spotted or there any sidings of him that 217 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: and again that we have not been pretty to the 218 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: The investigation has been for as for as public and 219 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: wide reaching, and this has been the details have come 220 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: out pretty sparingly, pretty um, pretty sparingly. I mean it 221 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: was when they all said they did call it a 222 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: criminal investigation, but they stopped short of identifying anyone or 223 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: even you know, confirming the property they were on. And 224 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: then and then it comes out that yes, we have 225 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: a person of interest. And that person, as we've already 226 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: talked about, is is Cosmo DeNardo. His parents property is 227 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: the subject of this massive um search up's going on 228 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: right now. Where you see this heavy equipment. You see 229 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: sifting equipment out there. Uh. He was locked up on 230 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: on an unrelated offense, UH, stemming from back in February, 231 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: a charge of actually uh was refiled um in the 232 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: midst of this investigation. I mean, that's another issue I 233 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you about because the gun charge 234 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: that DiNardo, this is the fifth person. They're referring to 235 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: him as the fifth person, but what he is is 236 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: a person of interest. And the disappearance of the four boys. Okay, 237 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: DiNardo had been involuntarily committed a while back, and he 238 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: had a gun charge. And what he had was a 239 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: shotgun and ammo. That's what the that's from which the 240 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: gun charge stemmed. It was a Savage Arms twenty gage 241 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: shotgun and ammo and it was dropped. Now, this is 242 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: why I'm saying he's very much a person of interest 243 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: because after they dropped the gun charge against him a 244 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: while back, in the recent days, they decided to refile 245 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: it so they could arrest him and post him a 246 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: million dollar bail. Look last night he posted, Yeah, because 247 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: that's a hundred grand you only have to put down 248 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: ten percent. WHOA, So he's out. That's a development. A 249 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: million dollar bail on a gun charge is unheard of. 250 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: Usually on murders you get a million dollar bill. And 251 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: also the fact that they he posted it. According to 252 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: Jamie Jamie guys, Jamie Stover is joining us from w 253 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: f m Z TV. That means his family's got money 254 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: if they can come up with a hundred thousand dollars 255 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: cash or collateral. So he's out. But my point on 256 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: that is they trumped up the charge. It's a legitimate 257 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: charge on this gun, the Savage Arms twenty gage, but 258 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: they had dropped it. Then they revive it in order 259 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: to get at him behind bars, but they reinvigorated. They 260 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: refiled that charge now and they didn't have to do that. 261 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: So that's why they did that. Hey, you know, question 262 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: to you, Jamie and Alan you as well. Sturgis in Mayo. 263 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:22,239 Speaker 1: Last seen Friday. Finocchiaro was last seen, according to reports, 264 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: being quote picked up by a fifth person who is 265 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: not missing. WHOA, that's gotta be DeNardo the p O. 266 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: I so if I'm reading this clearly an understanding. Clearly 267 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: clearly Finocchiaro, who was not the friend of Denardo's, was 268 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: picked up by a fifth person who was not missing. 269 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: So it's gotta be that's certainly possible that it was 270 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: that it was DeNardo, that it was him, that possible. 271 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: It has not been confirmed, that has not been hinted at. 272 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: So we don't know who the fifth is. Friends that 273 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: came by, friends that came by to the scene interested 274 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: or wanting to know what happened to their friend of 275 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: Ofociario earlier this week, so that he did not drive, 276 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: so it had made sense to them that he would 277 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: have had somebody picked him up somewhere because he was 278 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: not drying. I got it. The fact that he doesn't 279 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: drive means that anybody could have been giving him a 280 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: ride to get to that location, not necessarily that DeNardo 281 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: picked him up. See that one little tidbit that he 282 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: didn't drive changes the landscape um another issue. Investigators, according 283 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: to sources, executed search warrant at a nearby home in Sulbury. 284 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: That home also belongs to Denardo's family and find Mayo's 285 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: car in the garage. According to sources Storges's vehicle was 286 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: there at Peddler's village, Uh, not too far away, according 287 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: to his dad. They are now saying foul play is 288 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: definitely suspected. Here's my question, Alan, how could Cosmo DeNardo, 289 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: a twenty year old son of the property owners, subdue 290 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: and or kill but at least subdu four strapping young 291 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: teen boys. How could he do that? Now? One is 292 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: one is I think twenty one, but they're they're very young, 293 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: never been in trouble before, several lived with their parents. 294 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: How could he do it? Guns? Using firearms. You put 295 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: a gun on me, I'm going to get in your car. 296 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: I'll remember that. Probably. You know, a gun makes a 297 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: big man little and a little man big. I've used 298 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: that in a million closing arguments. You're right, You're absolutely right. 299 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: And he was known DeNardo for marching around the property 300 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: and camouflage with a gun. But how did he lure 301 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: them there? In mind, we're not allegedly dealing with a 302 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: normal man. He has a history of middle illness. He 303 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: was involuntarily committed to a mental health facility. That's why 304 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: he couldn't have that shotgun. Whether the disappearances are linked, 305 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: the four men knew each other, but it's not definitively 306 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: known whether their disappearances are related. You know, I can 307 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: answer that right now, Yes, they're related. Why are they missing? 308 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: Family and friends say they don't understand. They don't know 309 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: of any reason they would have gone missing. Now Cosmos 310 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Denortove connection. What is that he's called a person of interest? 311 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: When did that development occur? Jamie? That came out yesterday? 312 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: His name came out Tuesday or Monday's now today? Is 313 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: it came out the day the day before? When that 314 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: when that charge came out, That's when people started hearing 315 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: that name, started wondering, Okay, what's what's what's the potential 316 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: connection here? But the actual explicitly explicit um characterization as 317 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: a person of interest was out yesterday from the District 318 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: Attorney's office in the area. They were not in a group, though, Jamie, 319 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: you've got one, two of them possibly in a car together. 320 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: You've got um an additional car, and then you've got 321 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: a fourth wild card. They weren't. They didn't. He didn't 322 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: get them all together in a group and hold a 323 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: gun on them and march them to this area. That's 324 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: not how it went down. How we're what's so interesting 325 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: about that? Well, and and of course that's one of 326 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: the big questions. But the the the other big mystery 327 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: here is is Jimmy Patrick went missing on Wednesday. He's 328 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: now been unheard of off the grid since Wednesday. The 329 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: other three men UM, we're not reported missing or or 330 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: last seen Friday. So there's a two day gap there 331 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: between one person who went missing and then the other three. 332 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: So so this idea that maybe were they all grouped 333 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: together in some way, you know, perhaps, but it wouldn't 334 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: seem that way because of the of the gap in 335 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: um when they went missing. So that's another piece that 336 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: has a lot of our owners and I'm sure investigators, 337 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, scratching their heads wondering, you know, how did 338 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: this all happen, What was the sequence of events, what 339 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: exactly did happen? I mean, at the end of the day, 340 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: this is still a criminal missing persons investigation UM, at 341 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: least that is what the district attorney is willing to 342 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: say publicly. At this point. They have not really progressed 343 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: or changed the how they're characterizing this investigation since since 344 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: this started unfold. Right now, we know that cadaver dogs 345 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: have been brought in heavy construction equipment, including a back 346 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: co and a very careful examination of land, not to 347 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: miss the tiniest piece of evidence. According to the county's 348 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: district attorney, so far, no human remains have turned up. Question, Jamie, 349 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: can they still be alive? I mean, look, there was 350 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: the Elizabeth Smart case, There's the do Guard case. There 351 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: are cases where the person or people are found a 352 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: lot it can happen, Jamie, Well, that is what the 353 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: bucks kind of district attorney is at least holding onto 354 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: and and and he has far more information, certainly than 355 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: than anybody and anywhere in the press would have at 356 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: this point, um And and he's not willing to take 357 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: that off the table, that they may be found safe, 358 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: may return to their homes and to their families, which 359 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: of course, you know, you have a lot of people 360 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: hoping and praying for um And he has basically said, 361 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: we are going to hold on to that until it 362 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: is no longer possible. And at this point they are 363 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: holding on to that as a possibility and hoping and 364 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: thinking about their families, all plustered together, wondering what happened 365 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: to their children. I mean, you know, I thought I 366 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: was happy Before I had the twins, I had no 367 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: idea what happiness really is for me anyway, and then 368 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: you have the child and you pour in all your love, 369 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: all your energy. Last night I lit for the first 370 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: time for John David Sparklers, and you would have thought 371 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: the world had just stopped. He was so thrilled riding 372 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: in the air with Sparklers, and I think about him 373 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: and my sweet girl Lucy growing up. I can't imagine 374 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: what these parents and family are going through. Our thoughts 375 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: and prayers with the four boys and their families now 376 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: as they continue with cadaver dogs and back coos on 377 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: that sixty acre cornfield. Jamie Stover with me from w 378 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: f m Z TV, thank you so much for being 379 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: with us. And now to Abby Lee Miller. So many 380 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: people right now are addicted to reality TV. They think 381 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: the people on the reality TV shows a they're not reality, 382 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: they're scripted, but you think because you see them in 383 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: your home that you know them and they have become 384 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: like family members or actual friends. It was a big 385 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: shock to Dance Mom aficionados, the reality hit show, when 386 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: Abbey Lee Miller was ordered to a federal penitentiary. The 387 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: former dance Moms star, and there's no doubt that she 388 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: did it because she finally pled guilty when a judge 389 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: had caught her red handed. Abille Miller, dance mom, reality 390 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: star in prison, heads to prison to day and joining 391 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: me right now is a star in his own right 392 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: from ET reporter Danny Directoh you know, Danny was so amazing? 393 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: Is as recently as this past week she has been 394 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: yucking it up and cracking jokes with paparazzi and all 395 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: of her flunkeys, laughing about going to a federal in 396 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: a tantry. I don't get it. You just spoke to her, 397 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: what's funny about the pen? That was exactly what I 398 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: was thinking when I first chatted with her. This was 399 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 1: just this past weekend on Saturday. And first of all, 400 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: let me tell you the event I caught up with 401 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: her at. That'll give you a sense of where she's 402 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: at right now as as far as her head space 403 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: before she heads to prison. I caught up with her 404 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: at the Marvel Universe Live premiere. I mean it was 405 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: the last place where I imagine talking to Adilee Miller 406 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: before she starts her prison sentence. I mean, alongside Captain 407 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: America and Iron man, you know, but yeah, she would. 408 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: I did not get the sense that this was a 409 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: woman who was nervous about checking into a federal prison. 410 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: She was very lighthearted and made made jokes about the 411 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: fact that she would be heading into prison, and even 412 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: referred to her time there as me time. She mentioned 413 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: that she's always put others before her, especially the young girls. 414 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: She tall and dance moms, always trying to okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, okay, Danny. 415 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: As much as I love you, as handsome and wonderful 416 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: as I think you are, could you please repeat what 417 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: you said, because either you miscommunicated or I need a 418 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: hearing a Are you saying the dance mom star abilie 419 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: mailor she's the one that hit the lady she slapped 420 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: the other lady or yanked her hair and started all 421 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: these fights. She was the villain. And then she lied 422 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: to the federal government, hiding all sorts of money, including 423 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: asking friends as they returned from an out of country 424 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: trip to hide cash and money, as I recall, so 425 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: she would not have to declare it are we talking 426 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 1: about the same lady? And you said, Danny directed She 427 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: always was self sacrificing. She put everybody else first, what 428 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: about that hundred grands she stuffed down her underwear? I 429 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: mean helped me out here, Danny, No, I have the 430 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: exact quote here for you. You're hearing is not off, 431 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: She says quote. I've always put everyone else's child first 432 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: before my own health, before my own outfit, before my 433 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: own time frame. You know, everybody else was dressing out 434 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: the door and looking perfect, and I was running around 435 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: trying to find a clean tiel to take a shower with. 436 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: So I think this is this about clothing? Wait, because 437 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: she did not dress to the nines. Uh, that was 438 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: herself sacrifice. Well, she won't have to worry about that 439 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: in the penitentiary because guess what, they'll have a jumper 440 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: and just her size. Let's talk about what the crime 441 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: was she's been seeing as late as this, the past 442 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: forty eight hours. She heads to the penitentiary today, flashing 443 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: a huge smile while out to dinner at a posh 444 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: l a restaurant. You could tell me about that, Alan Duke, 445 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: But let's talk about why is she heading to jail. 446 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: The thing about the hundred grand stuff down the underwear, 447 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 1: that's I don't know the exact amount of money she 448 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: hid while coming back into the country. But what really 449 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: got her in trouble? And help me, Danny, because it's 450 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: a tangled web. She had been in front of a 451 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: bankruptcy judge, as I recall, she had been in front 452 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: of a judge and was poor mouthing. So the Joe 453 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: goes home and he believed it. He goes home and 454 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: he sees that she's got a show, a spinoff show 455 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: in the works, all sorts of money making ventures. And 456 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: he felt duped and lied to. That's one thing you 457 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: don't do is lie to a judge. That'll get you 458 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: in a whole heap of trouble. So what exactly are 459 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: where her charges? Danny. She she pled guilty to bankruptcy 460 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: fraud and basically for defrauding the government out of and 461 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: I do have the exact amount. Seven hundred and fifty 462 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Now was funny, I know, Okay, Sorry, I 463 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: had to choke on that for a moment. Seven hundred 464 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars dollars, yes, and funny enough. When 465 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: I talked to her, she when I asked how she's 466 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: spending her last few days before prison, she's hanging out 467 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: with friends at Pittsburgh, and then she made the joke 468 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: that they will be reminiscing about old times and also 469 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,239 Speaker 1: gossiping about who the heck has that money, because as 470 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: she claims, and she said, Mr nella camera, I sure 471 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: don't have that money. I wonder where it is. So 472 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 1: the jury still, I just wonder where it is. So 473 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: she is now saying, even after pleading guilty under oath 474 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: to fraud, but money fraud, she's now saying, no, that 475 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: didn't happen. I don't know what happened to the money. 476 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: Am I hearing correctly? So even now she's going down 477 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: with a ship, That's what she said. And she told 478 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: paparazzi last night at that Hollywood hotspot that her attorneys 479 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: know that she's taking the fall on this one, so 480 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: she claimed. So she alleged, right, she's taking the fall 481 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: for other people. Is this the same lady I saw 482 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: slap another woman or yanker hair? Is that her? Okay 483 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: Ebiley Miller reality star initially indicted into two thousand fifteen 484 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: on twenty that's right too, zero charges of fraud, concealment 485 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: of bankruptcy assets, false declarations. She pled guilty for that 486 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: and two thousand, sixteen, Danny Director. Where is she serving 487 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: her sentence? She'll be serving her sentence in Victorville, California, 488 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: where she'll begin starting today a one year and one 489 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: day sentence. So so that's three hundred and sixty six 490 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: days that she is expected to be in a prison facility. 491 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: I asked her, what is what are you most nervous 492 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: about in serving your sentence and ready for your mind 493 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: to be blown? She said, it's I guess it's the 494 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: braw thing. She says she from her research, she could 495 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: try on a hundred braws and none of them will 496 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: fit right, and they're just gonna handle one that's going 497 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: to be perfect. She doesn't know, but she's most concerned 498 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: about that apparently, Okay, that that's I'm not understanding that, 499 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: because you know, I've been in so many penitentiaries and 500 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: jails for various reasons, and they're horrible unless it says 501 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: a minimum security. I do know. Alan Duke is also 502 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: with me. Alan that she requested a particular jail and 503 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: her request was granted. She is headed to UH the 504 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: Correctional Facility in Victorville near Victorville, California, to start three 505 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty six days, So she was charged with 506 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: twenty counts, right, alan as she pled to one count. Right, 507 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: they planned it down, and she has also to pay 508 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: forty dollar fine. And I think judgment Victorville, by the way, 509 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: is really Los Angeles. It's it's like the road just 510 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: as you get outside of l A on the way 511 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: to Las Vegas. So it's centrally located for her to 512 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: resume and keep her television career going. Now, And I 513 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: ask Danny this, Danny, did she say what her television 514 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: career future looks like? Well, first of all, let's not 515 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: forget that today when she surrendered uh to the federal prison, 516 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: Lifetime cameras were there rolling. I asked her why it was, 517 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: why it was important to have the crew there to 518 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: shoot this moment, and she said it wasn't up to her. 519 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: She has signed a four year contract with a four 520 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: year option, meaning it was not up to her. They 521 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: it was important to Lifetime to shoot her surrendering. Now, 522 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: as far as what happened after prison, I mean, I 523 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: would not be surprised if she gets you know, the 524 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: thing is, she could have surrendered in secret if she 525 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: had wanted to. She did not have to have lifetime 526 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,239 Speaker 1: cameras there. She could easily have surrendered in secret. She 527 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: could have gone in the middle of the night, but 528 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: she she wanted this to be on camera. That I'm 529 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: telling you you do not have to surrender in public. 530 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: That is absolutely not true. So this is part of 531 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: her I guess her master plan, and I believe that 532 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: because yes, absolutely, I asked her. I said, well, well 533 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: then you will you be getting paid for this, and 534 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: she says, sure somewhere down the line. So I'm sure, Retchel, actively, 535 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: she'll be getting paid for them. Rolling now she surrenders 536 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: into prison, so I'm not I'm not surprised by it. Now, 537 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: it's amazing, Danny Danny joining me from E T. Danny. 538 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: You know, seven and fifty thousand dollars is more than 539 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: most people we'll see their whole life. I mean, I 540 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: remember my dad going to work for the railroad every day, 541 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: even when he was having chest pains, and work forty 542 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: three years plus for the railroad and never missed a 543 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: day except when he was in the hospital. Ever, same 544 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: thing with my mom. She'd be gone when I woke 545 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: up and would and get home till late in the 546 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: evening from work, and most people, most working class Americans 547 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: and I know, never see that amount of money and 548 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: their life. And to think that she hid that amount 549 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: of money that was like nothing to her and now 550 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: is pretending like it didn't happen. To see that makes 551 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: me mad. To go in front of a judge and 552 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: play guilty and then pretend that somehow you're the victim, Danny, 553 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: It's mind boggling. I couldn't believe it myself. Do you predict, 554 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: Danny that she's gonna land land right back on TV? 555 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I I that's how I feel. I think 556 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: Lifetime would be remiss if they did not follow up 557 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: to check in on aby Lee Miller after she completes 558 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: a sentence. I mean, it's a ratings hit, it writes itself. Really, 559 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't you guys want to see how she came out 560 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: out of all this? Imagine if Martha Stewart. You know, Danny, 561 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: I hate to rain on your parade, but I've never 562 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: seen Dance Moms. I've never seen the Kardashian Show. I 563 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: don't have time to watch reality TV. I don't have 564 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: time to watch TV period. I'm working and I'm trying 565 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: to raise two twins, and I certainly would never let 566 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: them watch my show for Pete's sake. Occasionally, they could 567 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: see it on mute for about three minutes and then 568 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: I have to get off. Okay, but no, no, I've 569 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: never seen her on TV. I don't have a burning desire. 570 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: But I have seen clips of her yanking that lady's 571 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: hair and yelling at a bunch of little girls who 572 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: were in dance class. That's what I know. And I 573 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,919 Speaker 1: know this. Don't mess with the tax man. Uh, you 574 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: find that money and you pay the tax man, and 575 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: don't lie to a freaking federal judge. I mean really. 576 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 1: Oh and then the judge time he gets his popcorn 577 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: and catches Abby Lee Miller on her spinoff show. Okay, 578 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: Danny Directo, incredible, and I think you're right. I think 579 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: she will end up on television, Danny Directo from ET 580 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: what a story. And I've got a feeling you're gonna 581 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: be there in three d and sixty six days when 582 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: she walks out of the c I Danny, thanks for 583 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: being with us, thank you for having me. When I 584 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: hear the name mid Lothian, Texas, I immediately, like so 585 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,959 Speaker 1: many people, think of Missy Beavers. Can you believe it's 586 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: been a little over a year since this beautiful mom 587 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: at Texas fitness instructor was brutally murdered inside amid Lothian church. 588 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: Miss Lothian only has a couple of thousand people. Let 589 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: me check on that, Alan Duke with me on Missy Beavers. 590 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: We've been rounding around. I remember that we got a 591 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 1: couple of angry calls when we didn't have the population right. 592 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: How big is Melothian? It's about it. It's a suburban 593 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: area from dallas Worth worth of about fourteen thousand, But 594 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: there are other towns near the bottom line is there's 595 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,919 Speaker 1: rural and their city all put in there together. Yeah, 596 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: that sounds a lot like where I grew up in Macon, Georgia. 597 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: She was teaching an early early morning aerobics class and 598 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: gladiator class at Creekside Church of Christ and she was 599 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: brutally beaten and the head, the neck, the face and 600 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: stabbed there in the church. And of course, as in 601 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: all homicide investigations, the first person people look at is 602 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: the spouse, the boyfriend, the lover of the ex Amazingly, 603 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: now from out of nowhere, her husband, Brandon Beavers, has 604 00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: spoken out to our Alan Duke. Alan, I'm amazed because 605 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: he's really kept a very low profile, really played the 606 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: whole thing very close to the vest. What did he 607 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: tell you? Well, I've been talking to him now for 608 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: some time and but he just doesn't want to go 609 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: on microphone. But he did take the time out to 610 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: write this very long explanation of what's going on in 611 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: his life with his family and the investigation, and he 612 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: asked that we printed word for word, totally unedited. It's 613 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: on the Crime Online website and you can read it 614 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: and it's really shows you what goes on in the 615 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: mind of this husband who lost his wife to this 616 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: incredibly crazy crime, with this guy or woman or whoever 617 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: walking through this church with a hammer beating her to 618 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: death claw hammer. And what's so amazing, Allen, is that 619 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: the perp is caught on video. There's no doubt in 620 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,280 Speaker 1: my mind that this was a targeted attack. This person 621 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: was not there to steal the audio, video equipment or 622 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: the money that may have been left from the Sunday before. No, 623 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 1: you don't show up in full police swat outfit, including 624 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: what looks to be a motorcycle helmet to conceal your 625 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: face even your hands are covered up. And then you 626 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: show up, you know, very shortly before Missy Beavers comes 627 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: in alone to set up for exercise class. You take nothing, 628 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 1: nothing is stolen. You kind of wander around until Missy 629 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: gets there. He killed her, I'm saying, he and then leave. 630 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: No vehicle was parked at the church, and the case 631 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: remains unsolved. What was the gist of Brandon Beaver's comments? 632 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: What was in the letter? What has he been saying 633 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 1: to you? Alan? He expressed the frustration of not having 634 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: any answers, but then also the pain toward him and 635 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: personally by people who don't know him, who are pointing 636 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: the finger at him and questioning him. In fact, this 637 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 1: is one of the sentences the social media has been about. 638 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: This has been about the craziest thing I've ever witnessed. 639 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: Oddly enough, I've never engaged to anyone on the social 640 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: media platform to defend myself, he says. The social media 641 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 1: impact has driven me to the darkest reaches of my soul. 642 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 1: He said for about three months he was emotionally spiritually 643 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: rendered to a point where he could barely function. As 644 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: much of this impact had, he said, I considered a 645 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: fictional reality in other words, he's now decided not to 646 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: let it get to him. He's moved beyond it. You know, 647 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: this reminds me of your interview that you did, your 648 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: incredible interview with Amanda Masner in Georgia, who went through 649 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: the same thing and she just eventually decided to let 650 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: it go. He did tell us some news about the investigation, 651 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: and I found this interesting. Brand Brandon said that the 652 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: Middle Othian police investigators, stumped after a year, have now 653 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: outside help. They've taken all of the evidence down to Austin, Texas, 654 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: the state capital, and presented it to a panel of 655 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: other investigators experts to get their opinion on him. They 656 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 1: spent four solid days presenting the case, and uh, they 657 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: have not told him what came out of that, but 658 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: the investigation goes on. You know what kind of broke 659 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,919 Speaker 1: my heart. In his letter, he says, we all wake 660 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: up every day hoping and praying this person will come 661 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: forward so we may finally have a closure, particularly our children. 662 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: That's not going to happen, but he thinks it may happen, 663 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 1: and that just that breaks my heart that he thinks 664 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: this person is horrible killer is going to come forward. 665 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: That is not going to happen right now, that killer 666 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: seems to have gotten away. And I would never have 667 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 1: believed that Alan the killer is caught on video for pizza. 668 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like that where you see him 669 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: this person. They don't really say if it's a man 670 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 1: or a woman. You think it's a man. Some people 671 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: say maybe it's a woman because the person is about 672 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: five ft seven. This is where Brandon is right now. 673 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: He says he has found peace now for the first 674 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: time that has allowed for him to grieve her loss 675 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: properly without outside interfere So he's kind of built a 676 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: wall around him so that he and his family can 677 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: have peace. And that's not why we're not That's why 678 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: we're not hearing from him anymore other than in this letter. Well, 679 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: the reality is as harsh as it is that when 680 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: there is a homicide, the first place police look, whether 681 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: they admit it or not, is at the husband, the lover, 682 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: the ex, the spurned boyfriend. Then they go to those 683 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: spouses and beyond to see if there was a hit 684 00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: or a murder for hire. All the motives are unearthed, 685 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: and uh, a lot of things come out in the investigation. 686 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: You wish had not come out. For instance, and their 687 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: search warrants, they said that one or both of the 688 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: partner's husband and wife Missy and Brandon one or both 689 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: we don't know to this day who they're talking about, 690 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: had had an intimate romantic relationship with somebody else. To 691 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: see right there represents a love triangle. According to the 692 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: search warrant. Um did her murder have anything to do 693 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: with that? I mean, and remember, this could have been 694 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: something that happened years and years and years ago. You know, 695 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 1: we don't know, but I can only imagine. Think about it, Alan, 696 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: think of the don't say it out loud, for Pete's sake, 697 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 1: think of the worst thing you've ever done. Hold that thought, 698 00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: and then imagine losing your spouse and how having all 699 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,800 Speaker 1: of your private matters on TV and a public search warrant. 700 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 1: Everything you've ever done wrong is now out there, or 701 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: your your spouse or anything that's ever been intimated is 702 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: now public fodder and your children find out about it. 703 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: It's just awful. And add to that that these are 704 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: search warrants that were published in the early days of 705 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: the investigation, when police didn't know everything. These were justifications 706 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: to go and search something to look for something in 707 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: their investigation. Uh, and maybe they found out in the 708 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 1: course of that that it wasn't quite accurate, but it 709 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: was what they believed at the time. But we don't 710 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: get the record corrected and it's still hanging out there. 711 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: That's the kind of pain that the that the family 712 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 1: and the people who are close to a murdered individual suffer. 713 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: You know. Another thing alan in marriages, in relationships, people 714 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 1: have lapses. You say things, you do things that looking back, 715 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: you wish you had never done, or at the time 716 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 1: when you do it, you do it never thinking you're 717 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: gonna break up your marriage over it, you know. I mean, 718 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: people go they have an affair to make their ego 719 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: feel better, to make themselves feel better too, for what 720 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,919 Speaker 1: a myriad of reasons. I mean, what's it with men 721 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: in this middle age fit they seem to have. Anyway, 722 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,320 Speaker 1: there's a million reasons people say and do the things 723 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: they do in a relationship. But I guarantee you they 724 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,840 Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to throw the marriage down the crapper, 725 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: you know it just no. And you see they were 726 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 1: still together at the time of her death. I just 727 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: that family because he was on a fishing trip. Yeah, 728 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: that family has been through hell, and the fishing trip 729 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: apparently has been corroborated a yearly fishing trip he goes 730 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: on every year with a group of people. And this 731 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: time wasn't it uh like in Mississippi. Yes it was. 732 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: It was on the Gulf coast. Now there are these sleuths, 733 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 1: amateur sleuths who might want to say, well, maybe he 734 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: could have done this, that and that, but the police 735 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,399 Speaker 1: don't believe that's the case. You mean, hire a hit man. 736 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,760 Speaker 1: You think a hit man could keep his mouth shut? 737 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: Not likely. Whenever there's a conspiracy, it all goes to 738 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 1: h E double L in no time. Somebody talk. This 739 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: is the thing that sums it up for me that 740 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: he wrote in this letter that again people go to 741 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: crime online dot com and you'll find it, or google 742 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 1: Missy Beavers and crime online. One of my children commented 743 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: to me during this whole experience, I would rather the 744 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: social media stuff aimed at you go away than have 745 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,359 Speaker 1: mom's murder solved. That's how difficult this is for those 746 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,439 Speaker 1: little children. I mean, they're left with just their dad. 747 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: Their mom's gone, and they see their dad's suffering, and 748 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,359 Speaker 1: that just must be brutal. On the children, and they're 749 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,800 Speaker 1: going to be scarred with this the rest of their life. 750 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: You know what, Alan, I pray for piece for them. 751 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: I pray for peace and that her killer be found 752 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: and brought to justice. I mean, she was a beautiful 753 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,200 Speaker 1: woman on the inside and out and a very loving mother. 754 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: In fact, the reason she taught that gladiator class I've 755 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: been told so early in the morning. I mean it 756 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,399 Speaker 1: started at five, so it was so she could get 757 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: home and help her girls get ready for school and 758 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: take them to school. I mean, you know the things 759 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,359 Speaker 1: we working moms go through to try to be with 760 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: our children, and now that just alwis struck me what 761 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: she would go through just get to take them to 762 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: school or be with them in the morning. Missy Beaver's 763 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: case unsolved, the husband reaching out to Alan do you 764 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: can crime Online to really bear his feelings about what 765 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: he and his family have been living through. Nancy Grace 766 00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend.