1 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? John Little Coop three in 2 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: out podcast. That's Me, That's the show. Back at it 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: again Monday afternoon, April six, recording. This means we're about 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: two and a half weeks away from a virtual NFL draft. 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: I got a bunch of thoughts on that I've texted 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: around the league. We had breaking news this morning. Roger 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: Goodell mandated it for the entire league. You know, you 8 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: had to have some uniformity. You couldn't have one team 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: doing this, one team doing that. Not not in these 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: times when you're not Some places aren't allowed to social gather, 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: so I don't know. In the South, I don't even 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: know if they have rules. The Saints were gonna do 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: it at a brewery. No, everyone has to be at 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: home individually. Gonna get complicated. We'll dive into Matt off 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: the top. Then we got some risers and followers, uh, 16 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: that are impacted by this corre own us. Some draft 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: players that I think have been impacted, obviously, some free agents, 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: some big picture thoughts just on the corona. Just some 19 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: things that have been helped during this time and may 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: gain an advantage, and some individuals or just big picture 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: things with the league that have been impacted because of 22 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: this coronavirus. And then of course what we do every 23 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: week and every show. Middlecoff mail Bag at John Middlecoff 24 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: is my Instagram and direct message is wide open. You 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: can slide in answer any question you want or ask 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: any question you want, and then you get an answered 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: here on the show. That's how we do are interacting. 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's like the modern day phone calls for 29 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: a radio show. I've I've personally not a huge radio 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: phone call guy. Like if I'm listening to a host, 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: I come for them, not the Collers. But again that's 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: maybe more of a West Coast thing and more of 33 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: a New age thing. I know historically, you know the 34 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: frances Is the ROMs take a bunch of calls. I 35 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: used to like him when I was younger, can't stand 36 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: him now. And uh, but I do like interacting with people. 37 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: I just like it's it's a more controlled environment this way. 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: Plus it's hard to do phone calls as a podcast. 39 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: It's kind of the way we do it, the way 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: we interact here. Also, if you listen to the podcast 41 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: and like the podcast, I know a lot of you 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: guys listen through Colin's feed, but I also have a 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: three and out feed, So if you go there, if 44 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: you can leave a review on iTunes or Apple, I'd 45 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: greatly appreciate it. I know a lot of you have, 46 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: and I already appreciate it, but I'd appreciate it more 47 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: for people that like the show that you hit me 48 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: up on d M s or emails or tweets or whatever, 49 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: please leave a review. Be greatly uh we we we 50 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: would like that before we dive into the virtual draft there. 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: This weekend, Trump held a phone call with all the commissioners. 52 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: Of course, after it comes out that he's hoping that 53 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: they can get football in the fall, my timeline freaks out. 54 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: It does feel I know Colin talked about this on 55 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: Monday morning on his show. It's kind of weird. It 56 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: feels like a lot of media members are rooting for 57 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: the Corona in a weird way, not necessarily for to 58 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, kill people or anything, but in the sense 59 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: of just to shut everything down for a while. Listen. 60 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't judge anyone on words like the actions speak 61 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: louder so to say like yeah, we hope to have 62 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: football in the fall, to me, you should be able 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: to say that, is it gonna happen. No one knows. 64 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,839 Speaker 1: I mean less than a month and a half ago. 65 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: I was at the combine, rubbing elbows, hugging people, and 66 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: now we've been quarantined for three weeks. Here's what I know. 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: I'm rooting for businesses football because if football is off, 68 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: that means the economy shut down. And if the economy 69 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: shut down for the next six eight months, we're in 70 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: a great depression. That's that's not a hot take, that's 71 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: a fact and check out. You might want to google 72 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: what depressions and recessions due to people. Most people I 73 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: know at this point they are following the rules in quarantine, 74 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: are much more nervous and scared of the economic impact 75 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: because they got their kids. Their kids aren't leaving. They're 76 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: all staying inside. There were Am I gonna lose my job? 77 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Am I gonna be able to pay the rent? I 78 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: have to keep making these payments? How am I gonna survive? 79 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: Than they are of the corona and the media, and 80 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking some of the sports media, definitely. Some of 81 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: the political media is so extreme with all this stuff. 82 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: We're all just trying to get by. Most people I 83 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: know following the rules, trying to do the right thing. 84 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: But you know what, we all want business to start 85 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: up again, whether that's in a month, whether that's two months, 86 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: whenever that is, that's what we should all be rooting for. 87 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: And let's call it what it is. The media tends 88 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: to be extreme in one way, kind of anti business, 89 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: and it feels like they like this chaos. I don't 90 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: my friends, I didn't. I don't have a journalism major. 91 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: I went to just I have a agg business major. 92 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: Most of my friends work normal jobs. This impacts them. 93 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: Some of them get laid off, some of them run 94 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: small businesses and losing their ass. Like that's not a 95 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: fun time, Like we all do you know how America 96 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: should be united right now, rooting to us to fix 97 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: this quarantine and make this go away so we can 98 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: just start living lives again. And sometimes it feels like 99 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: that's not the case, which has been baffling me. I 100 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: like Twitter, but Twitter has become these last two weeks 101 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: a very and it's always been kind of a weird place. 102 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: It's a bizarre, bizarre, uh kind of echo chambers the 103 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: wrong word, but just a just a place where hate 104 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: thrives and negativity thrives. It's it's baffling, it really is. 105 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: I actually thought, you know, we always hear everyone comes together, 106 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: and again it's social media. It's a small percentage of people. 107 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: Most people I talked to, you know, are staying up 108 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: beat as much as possible, but just want to do 109 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: the right things. So this ends. So whether football comes 110 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: back whenever, I don't know, O t A is probably gonna. 111 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: We all think, like the Masters, they all moved all 112 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: this stuff. We should be rooting for all this stuff 113 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: to eventually come back. And I think that's the message. 114 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: If you follow this rules, we can get come everything 115 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: come back. That's that should be the end goal here. 116 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: And sometimes it feels like if you're wrong, watch the 117 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: wrong political show or fallow the wrong person on online, 118 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: it's like they want us to be shut down for forever. 119 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of bizarre. But let's start with the 120 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: virtual draft. And obviously Corona has forced the NFL's hand, 121 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: and there were stories. I think last week wasn't that 122 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: the Saints were gonna have a a draft, not a 123 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: draft party, but have their entire staff at a brewery. 124 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: Then different teams were thinking about, you know, working at 125 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: a hotel, just just different places. They couldn't work at 126 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: their facility. Once I saw that on this weekend, I 127 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: was having a few pops, you know, and I was like, 128 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: this is not gonna work out. You can't have one 129 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: team doing this, one team doing that, and then us 130 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: in California, the people in New York or some of 131 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: these states are you know, Pete Carroll and Seattle quarantined 132 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: at home. This is not an equal playing field. Yet 133 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: they're all supposed to follow the same rules. So Roger Goodell, 134 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: and I would imagine he was pressured by certain clubs. 135 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: You gotta have some uniformity here. We all should be 136 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: mandated do the same thing. So he mandated, you're all 137 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: doing the draft at home. And several things jump out 138 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: to me and I think we've realized for a while 139 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: it was gonna be virtual, like there was Vegas got 140 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: canceled a while back, every team, but we didn't know, 141 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: like you have to be at home. Now you wonder 142 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: like something, is everyone gonna follow the rule? How do 143 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: you mandate that? How can you really check? I don't know. 144 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure some people are gonna break the rules, kind 145 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: of like quarantining. We're all supposed to quarantine right now, 146 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't think everyone is. And here's the thing. Let's 147 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: start with this. When you have a draft room and 148 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: your draft information. When I was a West Coast Scout, 149 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: I input that information into the Philadelphia Eagles system. I 150 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: would imagine many of you's sales people. Uh, any business 151 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: you work in, right, your company usually has its own system, 152 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: so you put everything in there. Your company controls that. Well, 153 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: here's the problem with this, and usually it's just you 154 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: guys in the draft room all it's a controlled environment. 155 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: When you got everyone at home, it's no longer controlled. 156 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: So everything's got to be all for Zoom. Now we 157 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: got the Internet, so you can access your you know, 158 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: whatever team you work for, if you're the Patriot Scout 159 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: or you're a forty Scout or a Cardinal Scout, whatever, 160 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: you can access all that information. But then to tell 161 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: your general manager, let's say you're going over Zoom because 162 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: Zoom seems to be the hot thing that everyone's using. 163 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,119 Speaker 1: Here's the problem. I don't know if you've been following 164 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: the news, Zoom has had a lot of security breaches, 165 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 1: and I would say this. Peter King wrote that people 166 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: in the league are nervous that other that teams will 167 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: hacken to other teams Zoom conferences. I actually think that 168 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: would be really difficult and you would need like some 169 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: extreme I T guys to figure out how to do that. 170 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: And Mid Corona, you're trying to run a draft. I 171 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: don't know if you're gonna waste too much time doing that, 172 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: but I do think there would be quote unquote hackers, 173 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: whether they're in America in the world the moment the 174 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: drafts going. You know that thirty two franchises are on 175 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: huge Zoom conferences, and some of those conversations might let's say, 176 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: between my head, my general manager, and the area scout, 177 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: tell me about this guy, and you'd go, well, Nick Saban, 178 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: Dabbo Sweeney, you know, uh, Mario Cristo Ball told me 179 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: this guy is a ship head, or let's just say 180 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: something like that, and and someone's hacked it in and 181 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: that goes viral. If I'm a team right now, why 182 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: am I comfortable going on Zoom? They're having breaches all 183 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: over the place. This is proprietary information. Where we're talking 184 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: about individuals, we're also talking about other individuals, be like 185 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: burning your sources. Can you imagine if some of these, 186 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: let's say, uh, like political stuff that's being written the 187 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: Washington Post, I had a zoom conference with all their 188 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: political people or the New York Times or whatever, and 189 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: they're talking about their sources and what they've heard, and 190 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: it just went viral. That wouldn't be good. So I 191 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: think those concerns are legitimate. I would say this if 192 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: I was a GM, how comfortable are we with if 193 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking to Roger Goodell that our zoom conferences will 194 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: be secure? Can they guarantee that for us? Because if 195 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: they can't, I would think if I was a GM 196 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: about not doing any zoom, we would have my t 197 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: guy set up conference calls or some way on your 198 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: iPhone where you just do like I don't know if 199 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: you can do this ten way called twelve way call 200 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: and you're just on the phone with everyone, because the 201 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: zoom thing seems a little risky. It's one thing I 202 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: recorded on my other podcast. We had Hunter Mayhan on 203 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: he zoomed in boom boom recorded it's easy. You're seeing 204 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: all these you know, television shows, zoom. That's easy. It's 205 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: all public information. The draft is not a public information deal. 206 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: It's a lot of secretive information. It's a lot of 207 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: information that the the the college coaches that give you, 208 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: they trust you that it never gets out. And for 209 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: the most part, well maybe information does get out, the 210 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: source never gets out. That's where I would be very 211 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: nervous if I was a team an information about a player, 212 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: maybe a player on my own team. What if I'm 213 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: thinking about trading him and we're here's the reality ship 214 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: gets talked. I know the way two thousand twenty Hard Knocks, 215 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: you don't see anything. Remember back Hard Knocks twenty years 216 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: ago when you got legitimate inside personnel meetings and guys 217 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: are getting blasted. That's what we like because the moment 218 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: if that gets out somehow it's hacked and goes viral, 219 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: we're all retweeting it and we're all l O l 220 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: ng it. You know who would not be good for 221 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: the players who are being talked about. So that would 222 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: be my number one thing. How can we guarantee that 223 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: Zoom will be secure because they're having issues. So the CEO, 224 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: I think was on CNBCS like, we're doing everything possible 225 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: to figure this out. Well, the drafts in two and 226 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: a half weeks. Maybe we don't have enough time. And 227 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: in fairness to Zoom, I don't think Zoom realize I 228 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: don't know enough about their company, but the coronavirus was 229 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: gonna happen in America would be dependent on Zoom. Trades 230 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: a huge part of the NFL draft. Our trades and 231 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: a huge part of the NFL draft. Trades are dependent 232 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: on what players are being there. Unlike free agency, where 233 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: at the combine we can go would you be willing 234 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: to trade me the player for this pick or would 235 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: you be willing to trade me this player for this player? 236 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: And you can map stuff out so you know when 237 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: free agency happens, you already have trade talks that have 238 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: happened and it's already in motion. It's hard to have 239 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: those conversations. I looked it up. Last year. In the 240 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: first round, there were six trades. But here's the thing. 241 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: The first trade didn't happen until the tenth pick, and 242 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: it was the Denver Broncos and the Pittsburgh Steelers, and 243 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers traded up for Devin Bush, the linebacking 244 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: from Michigan. I don't think if you're the Steelers, you're 245 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: having these conversations like you understand that Bush might be there. 246 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: Maybe you have some initial conversations about the tenth pick, 247 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: but you have those get in tents on draft day. Well, 248 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: trade talks usually involve multiple people, your general manager, your 249 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: head coach, your salary cap guy, your college scouting director. 250 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: It's easy when you're on the draft room. Well, if 251 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: you are on Zoom or you're you guys are all 252 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: on you know, an iPhone on a you know or 253 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: what I guess no one has like landlines, and you're 254 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: trying to streamline this process, it gets a little difficult. 255 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: One thing you'd probably have to do is maybe starting 256 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: next week, by the time the board is set, you're 257 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: gonna have to run some fake drafts and run a draft, 258 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, maybe run like a three round draft, just 259 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: so you can feel out this process, because it is 260 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: gonna be really, really complicated people. And I've said this before. 261 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: I've argued for the NFL not to complain in the 262 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: sense of listen, this is the cards you're dealt. You 263 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: gotta play with the hand that's in your You know, 264 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: you got what you got. In a perfect world, you'd 265 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: love to get dealt you know, pocket aces. You know, 266 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: at this point in time, you got Delta two and 267 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: a four. It sucks, but this is this is the 268 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: reality here. And I go back and forth on this. 269 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: The one thing I always get back to is there 270 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: a company in America right now that is making some 271 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: of their most important hires. In the middle of Corona 272 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: in April, not one. You see what American businesses are doing. 273 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: They're firing people, they're people off their furlowing people. Yet 274 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: the NFL is making their most important highers right now, 275 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: or they will when the draft comes. Financial investments of 276 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: guaranteed cash to your first rounder. And for the Bengals, 277 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: for example, that number one picks pretty easy. They've probably 278 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: known for months. I would say most teams in the 279 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: top ten have a pretty good idea who's gonna be there. 280 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: But for every team, like pick twelve and beyond, it's 281 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: somewhat of a guessing game. You got an idea three 282 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: or four. But we see every year trades happen. How 283 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: do you conduct these trades real time? How do you 284 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: get the streamline the process of talking over the iPhone 285 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: if you're comfortable on zoom. I don't know if I 286 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: would be as a general manager again, that that would 287 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: be a little bit on the league. See if I 288 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: could work with Zoom and maybe get us some special 289 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: security ways to block it. I don't know. I don't 290 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: know enough about technology. I'd have to talk with my 291 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: T guy, but I would say there's a lot to 292 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: be learned there. And the the other thing that kind 293 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: of is highlighted is are there going to be more 294 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: busts in a draft than normally? And I don't think 295 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: there will be. Now there might be more guys that 296 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: are cut at the final cutdown after training camp that 297 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: normally would have made the team because in O T 298 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: A S or rookie minicamp they got to stand out. 299 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: Meaning by the time we got to training camp, those 300 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: guys were maybe instead of being with the threes or fours, 301 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: we're running with the two slash the ones. It's gonna 302 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: be harder than for those guys to make hey, especially 303 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: because in training camp this year, what are you gonna 304 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: be without? You're gonna be without all the spring reps. 305 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: So you're gonna be trying to get your starters and 306 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: the guys that you now are gonna play more reps. 307 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: So how does that fifth, six or seventh round pick 308 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: that in past years might ended up being a starter 309 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: or might have been the number one backup. Now that 310 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: guy might not get enough reps. They may not might 311 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: only have two or three preseason games. You may cut 312 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: players that you normally would have kept. You may not 313 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: have a guy back on your practice squad just because 314 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: of limited reps, or some teams will think big picture 315 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: and go, listen, we saw enough here. We're not gonna 316 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: get rid of this guy. We're gonna keep it even 317 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: if he's not ready. That's where I think it will 318 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: be pretty complicated. But the reality is we won't know 319 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: three or four years from now how it goes, because 320 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: what they say draft picks miss anyway. But to me, 321 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: it's like, how many did did higher percentage of third 322 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: fourth rounders not making in this draft than than the 323 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: previous five or six drafts. It'll be a long term study. 324 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: We won't know real time, but it's it's gonna be 325 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: wild and they're definitely gonna be some highlights of this 326 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: virtual draft. Okay, let's talk about some risers and some 327 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: followers in the in the post Corona world we're living 328 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: in because typically in free agency, the second tier guys 329 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: you can fly to. You you get your own doctors 330 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: and medical staff get to work on the players. Uh, 331 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: that clearly got shut down. Then during the draft process, 332 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: not only do you bring guys into your facility, but 333 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: an underrated part of the draft process that got wiped 334 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: out was team sending their coaches and executives to put 335 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: players through individual workouts. So if you were thinking, hey, 336 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: I kind of like this guy in the second but 337 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: maybe he's the first round talent, you send your running 338 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: back coach or d line coach, whoever, maybe an assistant director, 339 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: maybe your GM goes and you'll work him out, You 340 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: spend the day with him. Hell, you might take him 341 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: to dinner that night and you get a lot of 342 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: time with him. That's not happening. So basically, since three 343 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: weeks ago, everything's been on halt everything, and I think 344 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: it's impacted some individual players and just overall situations. Let's 345 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: start with my number one riser. During the season, I 346 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: talked to a lot of scouts that like Ceedee Lamb, 347 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: and I said, where do you think he's gonna go? 348 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: And most people I talked to I thought he was 349 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: gonna go in the twenties, and I kind of agreed, 350 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: and I like Ceedee Lamb. I think he's got a 351 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: chance to be like DeAndre Hopkins. But where was DeAndre 352 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: Hopkins once upon a time drafted? He was not a 353 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: top ten pick. I'm pretty sure I'm trying to look 354 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: it up right now. DeAndre Hopkins went at the end 355 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: of the first round. He was picked twenty seven, and 356 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of his cop, like that 357 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: type player. I'm pretty sure that Ceedee Lamb, when the 358 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: dust settles, is probably not making it past thirteen, and 359 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: there's a decent chance he's the first wide receiver off 360 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: the board. I would have thought that, you know, before Corona, 361 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: I didn't think that necessarily leaving the combine. I feel 362 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: like that's kind of the case right now. My number 363 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: one biggest loser. When I left the combine, I thought 364 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: that Jordan's Love was a lock. He was already a 365 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: lock first round pick. But I thought he was a 366 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: lock like top twelve pick. I don't know if he 367 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: is anymore. I thought a huge part of Jordan's Loves 368 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: draft hype slash success was gonna be in the thing 369 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: that I mentioned, and I opened this up about the 370 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: workouts when quarterback coaches and offensive coordinators and head coaches 371 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: went to Jordan's Love, whether he was at Utah or 372 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: Miami or wherever he was post combine and put him 373 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: through workouts, I think he would have shined. He has 374 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: the physical attributes, he has the big arm. His tape 375 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: was pretty crappy this year, though we can counter it 376 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: pretty easily new coach weird system. They tried to mesh 377 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: a couple of things. It didn't work. But when you 378 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: get a guy like him, who's kind of a raw product, 379 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: who's kind of like this guy that you think can 380 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: be something, personal workouts for guys like that really help, 381 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: and I think that would have put set in stone 382 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: he was gonna be a top fifteen pick because we've 383 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: seen the power of quarterbacks, the power of talent teams 384 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: overdraft that I'm not sure. I'm not saying he still 385 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: might not be, but I'm pretty confident that Jordan's love 386 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: has an opportunity now because of all this craziness and 387 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: because of all this unknown to just fall a little 388 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: bit in the draft. It won't shock me if he's 389 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: drafted in the twenties. Marcus Mariota. If you would have 390 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: told me that Marcus Mariota would have been the number 391 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: one backup chosen when free agency started. I don't know 392 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: if I would have believed you, but the way in 393 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: Corona everything happened with you couldn't have visits. The quarterback 394 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: Domino's kind of fell the Raiders. You know, if if 395 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: John Gruden, who has a twenty million dollar quarterback in 396 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: Derek Carr, wouldn't have paid Mariota the seven and a 397 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: half million dollars that's number one. He's the highest paid 398 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: backup right now in the NFL. Who else was paying 399 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: Mariota that much money, you know, especially at the time 400 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: when Cam Newton ultimately got cut yet Jamis Winston became 401 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: a free agent after Tom Brady went to Tampa. You 402 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: gotta have some Domino's fall, like I don't know if 403 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: Mariota his market would have been as strong now. Mariota 404 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: was got awful last year. By no means do I 405 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: think he stinks. He just had a bad year, lost 406 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: his confidence. They brought in Tanney Hill that you could 407 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: tell did the Did the coaching staff stop believing him? 408 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. He was bad. The coaching staff was 409 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: looking in another directions, bad combination. But he has played 410 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: at a high level in previous seasons. He was a 411 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: high pick for a reason was he probably overdrafted looking back. 412 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: For sure, now he wasn't necessarily overdrafted on the time 413 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,719 Speaker 1: of that draft, but just when you look back some 414 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: of his flaws, you know, in a perfect world, he's 415 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: probably like his true NFL talent probably should have been 416 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: like a second round pick. But I do believe that 417 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota can be a starting quarterback again in the future. 418 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: But if the Corona doesn't happen, and just some of 419 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: the weird stuff going on in the NFL, I don't know. Now, 420 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: John Gruden was gonna be there no matter what. But 421 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: seven and a half million dollars from Marcus Marriot, I 422 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: think he benefited from the corona. One one NFL quarterback 423 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: that has one million percent been impacted the most. I 424 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: would say no player in the NFL has been more 425 00:21:55,119 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: impacted by the coronavirus than Cam Newton because Cam Newton, listen, 426 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: He's had an up and down career, but he's had 427 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: way more ups than downs, and a couple of his 428 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: ups m VP of the league, being a Pro Bowl 429 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: level guy leading a team to a playoffs several times 430 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: when he's on being able to play with anyone he 431 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: would get a job immediately if medically he could check out. 432 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: But what's the big problem for Cam Newton. Your doctors, 433 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: your trainers can't get him medically right now that they're 434 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: they're not able to interact with him. If this process, 435 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: if we were just living in two thousand nineteen normal times, 436 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: I I just think it would be impossible for him 437 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: not to have a team April six. I think it's 438 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: absolutely impossible. Jamis Winston, maybe a guy like Jamis because 439 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: he's a little more polarizing he's been in some trouble, 440 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: might have to wait till after the draft. But I 441 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: just I can't see under any circumstances if Cam Newton's 442 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: a doctor could go he's healthy enough to sign a 443 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: team not signing him. Obviously there are impact of like 444 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: how much money does he think he's earned or I 445 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: mean think he's were how much does a team think 446 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: he's worth. They'd have to somewhat meet in the middle. 447 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what his number would be. It would 448 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: probably be an incentive lace deal. Maybe you have to 449 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: sign a one year deal. You can't convince me though 450 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: that NFL teams he's can't freaking Newton. He's had more 451 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: than enough moments to get a job. And I do 452 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: understand you talk to people in the NFL. We don't 453 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: we don't know how a shoulder is. There are people 454 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: in the NFL right now that think his shoulder is 455 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: shot and shot might be strong, but just never gonna 456 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: be the same. And he's just they wouldn't touch him. 457 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: And I think that because last year the tape was 458 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: so bad and it was coming off the shoulder injury, 459 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: that it's freaking a lot of teams out and unless 460 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: they can get their hands, their doctor's hands on that shoulder, 461 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: he's in trouble. Big winner, I would say the biggest 462 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: winner right now is the NFL. Talked about it in 463 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: the opening that they've benefited a lot from the timing 464 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: of Corona. Their season was over, the Super Bowl just 465 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: happened to combine and had just happened. They can function, 466 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: whether you agree with it or not. You can have 467 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: free agency virtually, you can have the draft virtually, they're 468 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: going to You can't play the NBA season virtually, you 469 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: can't play Opening Day, virtually, you can't play the Masters virtually. 470 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: Either played or you don't. And all those got wiped 471 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: out for the NFL boom, everything stopped. Free agency. Here 472 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: we are. Everything still stopped. A month later, Boom Draft, 473 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: here we are, and they've benefited greatly. There are many 474 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: businesses besides, like the beer industry, the food industry. Some 475 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: of you guys working in specific industries probably add some that. 476 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: When I say the food industry, I don't say the 477 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: restaurant industry. I say the food industry, like Safe Way 478 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: and Save Martin, Albertson's in those stores. That are businesses 479 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: booming for them because we're all eaten at home NonStop. 480 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: But the NFL has just thrived because they've had inventory 481 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: for stuff happening that can just happen on social media, 482 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: where the other leagues had to shut down their product. 483 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: And then I would say, the biggest loser is going 484 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: to be the Goodell Hugs Forever. The NFL first round 485 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: and I got to go live to the event. It 486 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: was actually Cam Newton, Jere It was a great draft. 487 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: It's like Cam Newton, J. J. Watt, Julio, A. J. Green, 488 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: Alden Smith Von Miller. I mean it's it's actually one 489 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: of the great drafts of all time. That Star Study group. Also, 490 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: you got a throw in like Blaine Gabberton and I think, uh, 491 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback from Washington's forgetting his name, oh, Jake Locker. 492 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: But it it had some stars and it's cool. I 493 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: mean that moment when your name gets called, especially once 494 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: we get past the first couple of picks, you don't 495 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 1: know who it's gonna be. And then they announced j. J. Watt, 496 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, DeAndre Hopkins, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, blah blah 497 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: blah to a tongue of baloa, ceedee lamb, Jerry Judy. 498 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: Their lives have been made. They got drafted into the 499 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: NFL in the first round and they come out there 500 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: they give goodella hug. It is a cool moment. It 501 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: is a great event. It does not clearly huge ratings. 502 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: This one will probably be the highest rating one and 503 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna kind of suck. It's gonna be Roger announcing 504 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: from his like living room. The Oakland Raiders have drafted 505 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, right, the Carolina Panthers have drafted Isaiah Simmons, 506 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: and again we're gonna make do the best we can 507 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: because these are only options. But that's that's a huge 508 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: moment that sucks for the kids, especially the high the 509 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: first round guys. They're gonna miss out on a once 510 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: in a lifetime opportunity. You don't get to make that up. 511 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: Maybe next year when we're back to normal, all the 512 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: first rounders can announce the pick. I don't know, Maybe 513 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: we can do something with them to involve them. But 514 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: the draft was also gonna be in Vegas. They were 515 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: gonna have at was it the Blaggio was the Blaggio? Yeah, 516 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: with the water and they were gonna have a stage 517 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: on the water, players coming out on a boat. It 518 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: was gonna be insane, was gonna be so cool. It 519 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: was gonna be one of the most outrageous things any 520 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: sports league has ever done. It was like w W 521 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: E meets the NFL in Vegas and they had to 522 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: cancel it, and that there's no way around it. That sucks. Okay, 523 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: let's go Middlecoff mail back at John Middlecoff. Got a 524 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: lot of questions at John middlecoff Instagram d m s 525 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: slide right in give it a follow if you like, uh, 526 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: post do some hits of stories. I need to start 527 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: posting a little bit more. But we're a on quarantine, 528 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: Like what am I gonna take pictures of? Hey? John 529 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: pod is pretty good sarcasm. What better time than this bleep? 530 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: Agree to give us your all time eleven on offense 531 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: and defense. Maybe even throwing a kicker and punter would 532 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: be cool. Cheers from Austria. Wow, okay, punter. I'm going 533 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: Ray guy just because I like him and when he 534 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: got introduced into the Hall of Fame, I saw a 535 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: football live it was just I like that guy. Kicker. 536 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: I'll probably go Tucker offense, I'd go my my personal 537 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I fell in love with football, Steve Young, 538 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: but I think my favorite quarterback ever, like I love Brady, 539 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: I love Manning, but just a guy that was, like 540 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: you know, and I kind of hated the Packers, but 541 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: I love this guy was far I mean I far 542 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: be just if I just had in his peak to 543 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: watch a game. He's what I like to watch. Running 544 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: back beat Barry Sanders tight end, probably be Gronk, but 545 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, Kittles moving up the list, I'll go Moonio's uh, 546 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: let's let's throw it back to a career that was 547 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: cut short. But Selly. Let's go Larry Allen my center 548 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: because when I was at Fresno State, he spoke to 549 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: the team and this guy was the baddest m effort, 550 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: even if like he could barely walk. He was tiny 551 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: because his back was all shoddy. It looked like five 552 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: ten Jim Otto, complete badass. Let's go Steve Hutchinson wide receiver, 553 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: Jerry Rice, Randy Moss. Let's go defense D line. We'll 554 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: go Reggie White. What are we gonna run up? What's 555 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: run of three? Four? So I get some outside back. Now, 556 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: I was round a four three. Let's go Reggie White. 557 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: Uh D tackles. I'll go. I'll go to a little 558 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: new school. I'll go Aaron Donald I met. I didn't 559 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: meet him. I just stood next to him at Starbucks 560 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: of the Combine, and I just always liked this guy. 561 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: John Randall, badass, other defensive end. This guy was a 562 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowl m v P. That's gonna be personal. I 563 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: put a lot of money on the Broncos because I 564 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: just I didn't think the Panthers gonna win, and Von 565 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: Miller won the Super Bowl m v P. So I'm 566 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: gonna put him on there. I know technically it's an 567 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: outside linebacker, but he's a hybrid. We'll go Lawrence Taylor, 568 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: middle linebacker. I'm a sucker for this guy. Patrick Willis. Uh, 569 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think Pete Navarro Bowman again sucker for 570 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: these two players. Bowman willis my favorite inside linebacking Dooever, 571 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: I think both of them could have played will Sam 572 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: Um Mike. You know, we'll do whatever you ask him 573 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: to do. I mean they're probably you can put Ray Lewis. 574 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: You know younger Ray Lewis, he could really fly. Or 575 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: Locker was probably a true Mike, but he he was 576 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: so athletic in his prime he could do it all again. 577 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: Dating myself a little bit like Mike Singletary. I didn't 578 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: really watch him play. Corner Dion Sanders, safety, ed Reid, 579 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: Rod Woodson, other corner Reevus. Also, I'm a soccker for Sherman. 580 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: Sherman make my team, so that's offense, defense, my kickers, coach. Uh, 581 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: you know that, I'll go Walsh. I'll go Walsh just 582 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: because Walsh was a badass. That's a good question. Not 583 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: that's not bad. Off top of my head, throw a 584 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: little squad together, I mean you probably could do. Probably 585 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: missing some guys slot receiver, slot receiver, I'd go a 586 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: couple of tight ends. I'd go like Gronk and who's 587 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: like a great tight end from the two thousand's trying 588 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: to think, I don't even know you're not thinking Street 589 00:30:54,920 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: during quarantine. Uh love your takes. Two questions. Two questions 590 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: on arm strength. Football personalities talk about arm strength all 591 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: the time, but almost as if if it's a if 592 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: it's a static and can't improve throughout college or in 593 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: the NFL. Can quarterbacks improve their arm strength or are 594 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: they generally always gonna have about the same range. I think, 595 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: for the most part, since I've really been watching this 596 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: stuff critically, I'd say once I got into Fresno State, 597 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: no way, you really started watching guys, and I saw 598 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that played in college or in 599 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: high school film like Matt Barkley, and trying to think 600 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: of some of the West Coast quarterbacks that made into 601 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: the pros. I saw Derek Carr in college. I mean, 602 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: Derek Carr's arm has been really strong since high school. 603 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: Those are two guys that jump to mind. I don't know. 604 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: Barkley didn't really make it, but he stayed a long time. 605 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: You know. Aaron Rodgers, I would say, is somewhat of 606 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: an outlier. His arm got dramatically stronger. I think Brady's 607 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: arm improved, But think about most guys in the league, 608 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: like Drew Brees's arm never got strong. He works his 609 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: ass off, Payton's never got strong. Rivers never get strong. 610 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit like a pitcher. It 611 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: would be interesting to talk to a baseball pitcher about this, 612 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: especially a good one. Can can your arm strength get 613 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: that much stronger? You know, if you're like a starting pitcher, 614 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: you kind of throw what you throw. Just think out 615 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: of the guys whoever your favorite baseball team is. For 616 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: the most part, once a guy gets to the big leagues, 617 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: really when he's younger, is gonna be as hard as 618 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: he ever throws. Then it goes down. I think football players, 619 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: for the most part, it doesn't improve that much. Can 620 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: you break the current NFL starters into tears of arms? 621 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: Frank is the other part of the question. Stafford Mahomes Alan, thanks, John, Yeah, 622 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: I would say, off the top of my head, the 623 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: five best arms in the league. Mahomes Stafford jump right 624 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: off the page. Josh Allen for sure. Uh, Rogers used 625 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: to have just a howitzer. I don't think it's quite 626 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: as strong, but it's still pretty damn good. And when 627 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: he wants to let it rip. He he can go. 628 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: Lsburg Lamar Cam Cam used to be big with a show. 629 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: Older's all messed up. Brady dot as much. Breeze, No Dak, 630 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: no DeShawn, no Jimmy No. Chargers don't have a quarterback 631 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: golf No Eli's gone, uh, Patriots on the quarterback, Kirk Cousins, Nort, 632 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, you know, Carson Wentz, Mahomes, Stafford Rogers, Josh 633 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: Allen Rogers used to be a lead. I just you know, 634 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: at thirty six, I don't think he quite spins it 635 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: like he used to, but he's still upper echelon. Then 636 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: I think there's just a group of guys like Russell Wilson. 637 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's just not in the top tier. But 638 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: he's as good as anyone. He needs to let her rip, 639 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, Brady. I still don't think when Brady has 640 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: time in the pocket and sets his feet and throws 641 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: a dart, he can throw it as well as anybody. 642 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson sneaky doesn't have that great of an arm. 643 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's solid. You know who's underrated arm strength? 644 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray. When he lets it rip, you're 645 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: like I remember watching them like by the end of September. 646 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: My take on Kyler was, this guy is not gonna suck. 647 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's you know, it's out of his control. 648 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: How good his team is is I mean, Vance Joseph 649 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: is their defensive coordinator. They're awful. His coach has never 650 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: coached in the NFL. It's lots out of his control, 651 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: but just his pure talent is like damn. I think 652 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: some of the younger guys, Jamie's okay, Donald, you know, okay, 653 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen actually was pretty solid, but he's never gonna 654 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: I mean, is Josh Rosen close to being out of 655 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: the league. Baker's okay, Lamar's solid, Lamar's actually I'd say 656 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: gotten a little better. Uh. Derek Carr actually has a 657 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: pretty good arm. It was funny. He gets kind of 658 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: knocked for being a checkdown guy, but his arm strength 659 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: actually is pretty good. Found you a few months back 660 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: on Colin's podcast. Do you think that Bill Belichick tanks 661 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: this season, drafts Lawrence, then surrounds him with weapons and 662 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: turns into another ten to twelve year tend to twenty 663 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: your reign. Yeah, I mean, I think that's They're not 664 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: gonna tank their team is too good, that their defense 665 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: is too good. Now I've seen I don't know if 666 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: it's quite Reddit or just some Internet rumors. Could Detroit 667 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: trade I think the Patriots have what do they have? 668 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: Twenty two three? Somewhere in the early twenties, would they 669 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: trade all the way back to three? Let's say the 670 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: Patriots like twa would you trade them three for that pick? 671 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: Stephen Gilmore? And like a second Stephon Gilmore was Defensive 672 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 1: Player of the Year and he's under contract and they're 673 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: trying to win now, just throwing out there. I saw 674 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: it again. Not I don't. I wouldn't say it's a 675 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: credible source, but it was enough that I was like, uh, 676 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, it might be something there. I really enjoy 677 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: the listeners show. I go to a Minnesota State University, 678 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: man man Cato, the school Adam Thland went to, Well, Good, 679 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: Little Good, Little Nugget, which is division to school. I 680 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: was wondering how much time out spend looking at lower 681 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: division prospects. Well, you, most teams besides like two in 682 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: the league go there. They're either involved with blessed Oh 683 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: shows you how long I've been out of the game. 684 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: There was like or like a National scouting Service I 685 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: forget the name of it. And you go to a meeting, 686 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, and like after the draft, so usually drafts 687 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: in April, usually by the end of May, and you 688 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: go to this meeting for like four or five days 689 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: and they give you a book or like a pamphlet. 690 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: It's like a three ring binder. Hell now it might 691 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: be on iPads, I don't know, but it usually it 692 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: used to be in Marco Island is where we went 693 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: when we were in Philly, and most teams are there 694 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: and it's badass. You're right on the water. It's like 695 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: a sweet little vacation, and you go through all the 696 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: players in your area that a scout that works for 697 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: the service had gone through. Like if you have your 698 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: scout California, let's say you've got three states California, Oregon, Washington. 699 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: You go through every college I'm talking USC to you 700 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: See Davis, to Division three schools, and if they got 701 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: legit prospects, they write them down and so if there 702 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 1: is a sweet player at that school, like Adam Feeling, 703 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: you would know before the season starts. And because of 704 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: stats and stuff, you're keeping an eye on that stuff 705 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: in your area plus buzz just starts. You know, I 706 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: think the term like diamonds, I need to find a diamond. 707 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: That used to happen a lot in the seventies and 708 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: eighties in sports in general. Remember Blue Chips, the movie 709 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: with Shack and Penny Hardaway when Nick Nolty goes to 710 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: like to buy you and just shacks in there, you know, 711 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: playing on like that would hoop and it's It's still 712 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: one of my favorite movie scenes ever. Skinny Shack just 713 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: throwing alley oops, dunking, dunking on dudes, blocking shots. I 714 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: think sports used to be a lot like that, Like 715 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: a scout used to find, hey, hey, coach, I got 716 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,919 Speaker 1: this guy here, Hey I got this guy there in 717 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,439 Speaker 1: in pro basketball, football, and baseball. I think that's very, 718 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: very difficult now because the internet scouting sir versus now 719 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: for high school athletes has become such big business that 720 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: you just you're hearing about these guys at such a 721 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: young age that it's hard for guys to get under 722 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: the cracks. And in football, probably more than like in baseball, 723 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: a lot of guys playing the big leagues that went 724 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: to junior college. In basketball internationally, now the world so flat. 725 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: I would say, how many guys non Division one players 726 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: get drafted in the NBA. Not very many. In football, 727 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: you do get a lot of Nonpower five guys and 728 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: definitely some lower divisions, definitely Division one Double A right 729 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: North Dakota State where he's from. I went to cal Poly. 730 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: We've produced some NFL guys UC Davis. We have some 731 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: out West, but there's a lot in the Midwest and 732 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: the South. I think they play a pretty big role 733 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: in the draft. Are there gonna be a lot of 734 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: Division two in Division three guys drafted? No, it's just 735 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: not the case. Doesn't mean they can't necessarily play, but 736 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, usually they're there for a reason. Who's the 737 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: best incoming offensive skill position player in your opinion, that's 738 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: a hell of a question. Listen, I like, if if 739 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: I know the guy can catch, and I don't know, 740 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: I'd have to text around. But I love Jonathan Taylor. 741 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: I think Jonathan Taylor's a stud. I like all three 742 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: wide receivers a lot. I like Jerry Judy, I like 743 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, and I like Henry Ruggs. Depending on what 744 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: my team needed, if I needed in a Marii Cooper 745 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: and Marvin Harrison route runner, I'm going Judy. If I 746 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: want a DeAndre Hopkins, those type guy, I'm going Ceedee Lamb. 747 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: Now you could argue when you and if I, if 748 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to Sean Jackson speed demon, I'm going Rugs. 749 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: I think the thing if you're gonna pick one of 750 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: those three players, the guys that usually translate the best 751 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: are the Hopkins type guys, the physical players, the dudes 752 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: that make great contested catches. Now, you can argue that 753 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: the route runners can always get open, but sometimes and 754 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: they're hard to fail. The one thing is with the 755 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: Ceedee Lambs is they usually hit in the sense of 756 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: they're just gonna function the It's hard for Jerry Judy 757 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: to fail because you're getting open, but they can underachieve, 758 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: where the Rugs is probably your biggest swinging for the fences. 759 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: You could strike out or hit a home run. You know, 760 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: John Ross a couple of years ago was draft to 761 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: D eight. He's been a royal bust. Uh. You know 762 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 1: Marii Cooper is an underachiever. He still averages seventy catches, 763 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: a thousand yards and six touchdowns a year. So I 764 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: know people in Oklahoma they love Ceedee Lamb I think 765 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,720 Speaker 1: when you look at Oklahoma under Lincoln Riley, his guys 766 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: to play for him what he asked of you. Like 767 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: their standards, there are sneaky pretty high. How many Oklahoma 768 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: guys over the last besides like Baker have failed And 769 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: I wouldn't call Baker a failure yet, But I'm just 770 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: saying coming to the league and played well. Mixing uh 771 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: Sterling Shepherd trying to think of a couple off the 772 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: top of my head. Obviously Kyler Murray, even Baker, and 773 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: he starts all the offensive linemen, look at Mark Andrews, 774 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: goes right to Baltimore and beats out the dude drafted 775 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: ahead of him. It's so you see these guys. Markey's 776 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 1: Brown was hurt last year in and out, but he's 777 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 1: gonna be a good player. These guys coming to the 778 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: NFL ready to play. I just I think see Lamb's 779 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: gonna be a really good player. Like I said, I 780 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,240 Speaker 1: think I think he might be the first wide receiver drafted. 781 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: Big Packers fan here, do you think Devin Funches has 782 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 1: a chance to be an impact for free agent signing? 783 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: I feel like Rogers could elevate him. Also, what wide 784 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: receiver should they take in the first round. I would agree. 785 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: If you think about it, they've had some back shoulder 786 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: fade guys like James Jones had a lot of success there. 787 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: James Jones couldn't run. I saw I talked to James 788 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: Jones when I was at the Super Bowl. I love 789 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: James Jones, San Jose State guy. But when you have 790 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: an accurate quarterback that can just throw seeds on the 791 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: back shoulder stuff because Funches can't really run, so Canny 792 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: resurrect him. I mean when you say resurrect, if he 793 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,399 Speaker 1: gets forty catches, that'd be pretty good. When you look 794 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: at wide receivers at the end of the first round, 795 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: I think the s U guy is really I you 796 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: is how you say his name, Mims. The Baylor kid 797 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,959 Speaker 1: is very very interesting. Would a kJ Hammler, the guy 798 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: that can just fly from Penn State? Would he make 799 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: any sense? There? Is that too high, but I I 800 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: do think it's time for the Packers to start drafting 801 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: some offensive players for Aaron Rodgers. For the love of God, 802 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: I was wondering if you would break down the Pack 803 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: twelve for me hopefully this football season. Who is the 804 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: worst and best? Please go over the coaching changes. That's 805 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: a lot um. I would say the best team in 806 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve going into the season is gonna be 807 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: organ They're returning a ton of guys. They're gonna have 808 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: a new quarterback, but their defense is basically all returning 809 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: their offensive skill guys should be back from injury, and 810 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: if their quarterback is just solid, they're really really good. 811 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: They host Ohio State Week two at in Eugene at 812 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,240 Speaker 1: Austin Stadium. That's gonna be one of the biggest games 813 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: probably of the nonconference in the country. Uh that they 814 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: should be the team to beat. I don't really even 815 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 1: think there's a close second. I maybe a s U. 816 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna return the quarterback who's got a 817 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,760 Speaker 1: chance to be really really good. But it's gonna be interesting. 818 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 1: Like in college football. You know, the the off season 819 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: in college football is really big because, unlike the NFL, 820 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: you get to wear pads in practice, you do do 821 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,720 Speaker 1: a lot of work the strength program for college guys, 822 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: unlike the NFL. I heard rich Richard Sherman say this 823 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: within the last month. He's like, you know, I do 824 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: most of my hardcore training, like leading up to training camp. 825 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 1: The off season is kind of when I relax. Now, 826 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: he's an older player. But in the NFL, what you 827 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: get in four or five years you have a specific regiment. 828 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: Do you know exactly what you're doing when you're a seventeen, eighteen, 829 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: nineteen year old kid at Colorado, at Alabama, at l 830 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: s U, at Washington wherever. Your growth as a human 831 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: is huge, putting on the muscle mask, going through the 832 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,879 Speaker 1: intense training, and they're not gonna get that. I would 833 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: say the worst cal actually might be a sleeper to 834 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: their Their defense is really good. Return to quarterback Bill Musgrave, 835 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, I would say the worst team in 836 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve probably gonna be called RADO. I would 837 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: expect them to be really bad. My friends don't believe 838 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,840 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is a top five quarterback in the league. 839 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how to convince them how good he is. 840 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: Can you discuss what NFL people see in his game 841 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,879 Speaker 1: that the regular fan cannot. Well, if your friends don't 842 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: think Russell Wilson's a top five quarterback in the NFL, 843 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: I don't know what they're watching. Because he's easily a 844 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: top five quarterback in the NFL. He's probably a top 845 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: three quarterback in the NFL. You'd argue after last year, 846 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: you know him, Lamar and Mahomes by far the three 847 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,720 Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in the league. And the difference is Lamar 848 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,879 Speaker 1: Jackson can't win in the playoffs because he can't throw 849 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: first downs. So I can't put Lamar Jackson above Russell Wilson. 850 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: I know we got the MVP at great regular season. 851 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: Can you win a playoff game Russell camp and clearly 852 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: Mahomes can too. I don't know. He's just he's incredible. 853 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 1: He's one of the greatest playmakers we've ever seen. He's 854 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,760 Speaker 1: one of the greatest scrambler and throwers we've ever seen. 855 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: He's one of the great carriers of a franchise we've 856 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,760 Speaker 1: ever seen. He's one of the great deep ball throwers 857 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: we've ever seen. He's just a bona fide superstar. I 858 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,760 Speaker 1: mean to me, he's he's just your no doubt about 859 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: it eye test guy. You watch a Russell Wilson game 860 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: and you just come away going, God, that number three, 861 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: that little quarterback Seattle has got is a baller. Okay, 862 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: we'll end on that. I hope everyone stays safe, keep 863 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: quarantining and so we can get the hell out of 864 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,439 Speaker 1: this and UH got out of our houses sooner or later. 865 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: Keep your head up. We just gotta keep trucking. And 866 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,279 Speaker 1: UH at least we got the draft not not too 867 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: far away, so but under two and a half weeks. 868 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: By the time here the second podcast the week by Friday, 869 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: will be under two weeks until the NFL Draft, So 870 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: I guess we've got something to look forward to. And 871 00:45:46,400 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: UH keep flattening that curve, baby, audios say, and