Speaker 1: Adler learned his first curse word, which was ass.
Speaker 2: That's barely a curse word. That's acceptable on television. That's fine.
Speaker 3: That's probably where he heard it, and he said he said,
Speaker 3: Asie said something about like somebody was going to beat
Speaker 3: someone's ass, and Jensen said, what did you just say?
Speaker 3: And he was like, I'm going to beat that guy's ass.
Speaker 3: Gens was like, oh, that is another another word for butt,
Speaker 3: and we just prefer that you say butt, and he
Speaker 3: was like, okay, so.
Speaker 2: He hasn't he doesn't acknowledged the power yet. No, And
Speaker 2: he went through a phase I guess was probably like
Speaker 2: seven or eight where it was like when he realized
Speaker 2: he could get a rise out of people by swearing,
Speaker 2: and oh man, it.
Speaker 1: Was just over right.
Speaker 2: Well, we said like, you can swear at home, just
Speaker 2: don't swear in front of other adults or other kids.
Speaker 2: And once he knew he had that freedom, it was
Speaker 2: like car rides would just become a swear fest. And
Speaker 2: then it was like wanting to find songs or things
Speaker 2: where people swore, and that was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: you just wanted to like keep quoting them and talking
Speaker 2: and was like okay, dude. And then he finally he
Speaker 2: exhausted himself. But it took a while. It was like
Speaker 2: a good six months of just having to swear, and
Speaker 2: like it finally was just like, you know, it's boring. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's actually like a sign of limited vocabulary. Like if
Speaker 2: you can't find a more creative way to say something,
Speaker 2: you just think that saying the effort is funny. It's
Speaker 2: minimal humor.
Speaker 3: Adler has been trying to figure out what the effort
Speaker 3: is for years, so have I.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's a verb, it's a noun,
Speaker 2: it's so many things.
Speaker 1: The F word.
Speaker 3: And then one day he said, Mom, I know what
Speaker 3: the F word is? And I said you do, and
Speaker 3: he goes, yeah, freaking And I went.
Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah it is. That's a word that starts with F.
Speaker 3: And then yesterday again he asked, Jensen, does the F
Speaker 3: word stand for Fox?
Speaker 1: So close? So so close? But thankfully, thankfully you haven't
Speaker 1: crossed that bridge.
Speaker 3: So yeah, anyway, I'm uh, I just can't believe it,
Speaker 3: but he's six. We've done a really good job in
Speaker 3: our house of not cursing around our kids. We just
Speaker 3: we just don't do it. As a matter of fact.
Speaker 3: For a while, Adler was saying, oh sh which was
Speaker 3: like so cute.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing he would ever say.
Speaker 2: No, Indi, indies brought what the heck into our life,
Speaker 2: that's what we love too. He's like, Dad, what the heck.
Speaker 1: That's what he's saying.
Speaker 2: That's great, yeah, or shoot shoot No. Alex made the
Speaker 2: mistake last month, literally a month maybe a month and
Speaker 2: a half ago, because she decided that she swore too much,
Speaker 2: and she was like, I want to swear less. So
Speaker 2: she told India that she would pay him a dollar
Speaker 2: every time.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's up.
Speaker 2: To thirty eight dollars and India is holding her too.
Speaker 1: He's like, I want every last.
Speaker 2: Day he won and she's like no, come on. And
Speaker 2: then and then we were in Costa Rica for her
Speaker 2: birthday and he was like, how many times you just
Speaker 2: wear in Costa Rica? You should have kept track for me? Well,
Speaker 2: that's what he's claiming. He's like an accountant now he
Speaker 2: suddenly you know, he just loves it. He loves And
Speaker 2: then he tried it with me. I'm like, no, there's
Speaker 2: there's no f and way I'm going to keep track
Speaker 2: of I swear. I'm I'm fine with the amount of
Speaker 2: swearing that I do. I like it. I'm very comfortable
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: What does Indy like to spend his money on?
Speaker 2: That's a good question. Nothing. I mean there's stuff the
Speaker 2: kid wants for nothing, like we you know, if he
Speaker 2: wants something for real, we usually buy it for like
Speaker 2: Christmas or his birthday. Usually gets big things that he wants.
Speaker 2: And then like if we go somewhere, like he always
Speaker 2: needs clothes because he's growing, so we're constantly buying him
Speaker 2: like shirts that he wants. As far as like we
Speaker 2: go somewhere and he's like, I want a T shirt
Speaker 2: from this plaace or whatever, We'll buy it for him.
Speaker 2: So that's like and then stuffed animals. He has like
Speaker 2: an entire stuffy kingdom.
Speaker 1: Oh so yeah, my kids are rifriend is ruck.
Speaker 2: I never was into stuffed anim Yeah. So so every
Speaker 2: time we're like somewhere, he begs for like a little
Speaker 2: stuffed animal if we're traveling, So we end up buying
Speaker 2: him that. But like, otherwise, what else do you want?
Speaker 4: Kid?
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know what you need? And yet he
Speaker 2: wants money. He wants the idea of money, and we
Speaker 2: like we did open up a like little bank account
Speaker 2: for him, and you know, we try to keep track
Speaker 2: of it, but he never spends it. He never needs
Speaker 2: so it's like, what are we doing? This is so anyway,
Speaker 2: Alex owe him thirty eight bucks. He's holding her to it,
Speaker 2: even though I don't know what he would do with it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, my kids have gotten gift cards for their
Speaker 3: birthdays and then they've just kind of sat in a drawer.
Speaker 3: And then every now and then, Jensen, like since I've
Speaker 3: been you know, during the Dancing with the Stars run,
Speaker 3: Jensen would say, Uh, if you guys are really good
Speaker 3: this week this weekend, I will take you shopping and
Speaker 3: you can use your gift card.
Speaker 1: And they would be like what.
Speaker 3: And then they'd get to walk into a store and
Speaker 3: pick something with their gift card. And I think it's
Speaker 3: also the cutest thing that both of them are obsessed with.
Speaker 3: They still have more money on the gift card, right, so,
Speaker 3: like they had a twenty five dollars card, but they
Speaker 3: only bought a fifteen dollars thing. And then they come
Speaker 3: home and they're like, look what I got. I spent
Speaker 3: my own money on it, and I still have money
Speaker 3: on the gift card and I'm like, wow, They really
Speaker 3: they're enjoying that.
Speaker 5: You know what else Adler really likes, and it's kind
Speaker 5: of funny to me, is he likes spending the gift
Speaker 5: card money. But I've asked him, we'll bring this money
Speaker 5: along in case you need more, and he's like, the
Speaker 5: actual money.
Speaker 2: We've been having this weird thing the last couple of
Speaker 2: weeks where we've realized Indy has a very accurate assessment
Speaker 2: of the value of money. Oh like we would have,
Speaker 2: we assumed because he talks about like wanting to be
Speaker 2: a billionaire or whenever talks about money, talks about it
Speaker 2: in like kid terms. But at one point we were like,
Speaker 2: how much do you think that would cost? We asked
Speaker 2: him about a car or something, and he nailed the
Speaker 2: price exactly, and then we were like, how much do
Speaker 2: you think our house costs? Nailed it? We're like what,
Speaker 2: So now our big thing is we just quiz him
Speaker 2: on like how much do you and he's pretty accurate.
Speaker 2: I have no idea where he got this, because we
Speaker 2: don't talk about money in front of it. It's like
Speaker 2: not like something we but at somewhere along the way,
Speaker 2: and I encourage because I've had this conversation with other
Speaker 2: parent friends who they just assume their kid doesn't. But
Speaker 2: I ask your kid, ask your kid, like how much
Speaker 2: do you think? And I think right around this age,
Speaker 2: So Indy's gonna turn eleven next month. I think that's
Speaker 2: like when you really do start kind of figuring it out.
Speaker 2: Like the idea of like a million dollars right, kind
Speaker 2: of gets into perspective and you're like, what does a
Speaker 2: million dollars buy? Or I don't know how he's picked
Speaker 2: it up, but he actually has picked it up, and
Speaker 2: like we're kind of impressed. I'm like, all right, dude,
Speaker 2: but he still doesn't do anything with money or no,
Speaker 2: what you know he wants to buy? But yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean he wants to be a billionaire. And I keep
Speaker 2: saying to him, I'm like, doesn't that sound kind of miserable,
Speaker 2: Like what would you do? What would you are?
Speaker 1: Not going to sound miserable to him?
Speaker 2: No, but I don't know what he wants to do
Speaker 2: with it, Like he just wants the status, right, but
Speaker 2: like what you would you act? I was like, do
Speaker 2: you realize if you're a billionaire, everybody around you is
Speaker 2: constantly asking you for money because they know that it's
Speaker 2: you can afford it and you're never going to like
Speaker 2: really lose it. And he's like, yeah, I guess that's true.
Speaker 3: But but like I think about that, and I think,
Speaker 3: why would that bother me? If it's never gonna it
Speaker 3: is true, it's never going to actually affect me. If
Speaker 3: I would, I would love to have you.
Speaker 2: Searching it away and everybody. But think about it. You
Speaker 2: have like you have like probably ten people and your
Speaker 2: immediate circle like family, and like, yeah, you know that,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, I'm going to help them out. I'm
Speaker 2: going to buy them a house. And then if you're
Speaker 2: really worth a billion dollars, you're gonna have like another
Speaker 2: twenty people. Yeah, like hey, could you help me out?
Speaker 2: And you'd be like, oh, yeah, I'll help you out.
Speaker 5: Listen. I don't mean to put Danielle on blast here,
Speaker 5: but her charitable heart is humongous.
Speaker 1: It all sounds amazing to me.
Speaker 5: She helps people, She helps people secretly in so many
Speaker 5: times financially.
Speaker 3: Yes, but also I do think then it would be like,
Speaker 3: once you've asked and I have helped, you say it's
Speaker 3: like I need help with a down payment for a house,
Speaker 3: and I would be like yes, absolutely, or you know,
Speaker 3: my medical bills or you know, yes, or I am
Speaker 3: struggling to put food on the table.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: But then once you're like out of that situation. If
Speaker 3: it were like three months later or even a year later,
Speaker 3: and you were like, I really want to take a trip,
Speaker 3: I'd be like we No, No, we did that already.
Speaker 1: I I help.
Speaker 2: I gave you, I gave you. Would would never end
Speaker 2: I know you would be in this you'd be in
Speaker 2: this position of like endless loop and yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: like where do you draw the line? Because I like, well,
Speaker 2: my people in my town, people in my country. I
Speaker 2: didn't want to help everything.
Speaker 1: I know, that is the thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd have no money. That's why I want to
Speaker 3: be a billionaire. I want to be a billionaire so
Speaker 3: that I could give it all away, all the way.
Speaker 2: And that's why you'll never be a billion because you
Speaker 2: gotta be somewhat prudent and somewhat selfish.
Speaker 3: You're right, Welcome to pod Meats World. I'm Danielle Fishl.
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Speaker 3: One of my favorite Curb Your Enthusiasm episodes is from
Speaker 3: season four. It's called Wandering Bear, and there's a running
Speaker 3: joke where Larry, who was an early adapter to electric cars,
Speaker 3: thinks it's a mandatory courtesy amongst fellow Prius owners to
Speaker 3: wave at each other as they pass in the street,
Speaker 3: a little head nod to say I'm part of the
Speaker 3: club too, And I often think being a former child
Speaker 3: actor has the same unwritten rules. It's such a small
Speaker 3: group of people, some still in the business thriving, some
Speaker 3: who've entered a new field of work completely, but no
Speaker 3: matter what, we all share a unique experience that shaped
Speaker 3: our lives at a young, impressionable age, and it's impossible
Speaker 3: to fully explain to those who didn't live it. So
Speaker 3: I think a lot of us feel comfortable around fellow
Speaker 3: child actors, knowing there's a shorthand and care we treat
Speaker 3: each other with. And so this week's guest, though we've
Speaker 3: never met her, is someone we would absolutely give the
Speaker 3: Prius wave too. She broke onto the scene at just
Speaker 3: seven years old in the nineteen ninety two thriller The
Speaker 3: Hand that Rocks the Cradle, quite a first gig, and
Speaker 3: it wasn't much later that she book the type of
Speaker 3: sitcom you dream of playing. Grace Sheffield on The Nanny,
Speaker 3: a hit show that lasted six seasons in catapulted fran
Speaker 3: Dresser and the entire cast into the spotlight, but where
Speaker 3: some seven year olds who grew up on a sound
Speaker 3: stage living in front of a live studio audience might
Speaker 3: rebel against the industry. Now, as an adult, she has
Speaker 3: continued to appear on tons of TV shows, including Gray's.
Speaker 1: Anatomy, Heroes, California, Caation.
Speaker 3: You, and Hacks, as well as movies like Subservience and Bombshell.
Speaker 3: Also worth noting.
Speaker 1: As a child, she starred in the Hulk.
Speaker 3: Hogan vehicle Mister Nanny, and yes I will be asking
Speaker 3: her about that. And so this week we welcome to
Speaker 3: podmeets World a fellow member of the club.
Speaker 1: It's Madeline Zema.
Speaker 4: Hi, Madeline, let me turn on my on your camera
Speaker 4: so we can sign that. Okay, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 4: really bad as.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did it, you did it.
Speaker 3: Listen, every time you enter a zoom room, there's always
Speaker 3: there's always so many things.
Speaker 1: You're like, am I going to do it?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Is the camera on? Where's the mute?
Speaker 4: And then it's just I'm I'm like, I'm an a'm millennial,
Speaker 4: Like I guess we all are. Issue every single time technology,
Speaker 4: just I'm not good.
Speaker 3: I've recently went on TikTok live and every time, the
Speaker 3: most embarrassing part is where I go.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, how do I exit? Is it this button?
Speaker 3: And like you're still on live as people are watching
Speaker 3: you be old and just not know how to leave.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's called the millennial pause, right, yes, yeah, where
Speaker 4: it's like and it's we can't hide it. You know.
Speaker 4: I am great getting older because what's the alternative.
Speaker 1: Right exactly? The sweet sweet sleep of death.
Speaker 3: So Maln, thank you for joining us as fellow members
Speaker 3: of a child the Child Actor fraternity.
Speaker 1: We have a lot to chat about.
Speaker 3: You were born in Kaneta, like our dear friend Wilfred Ell,
Speaker 3: who unfortunately could not make it today. But when did
Speaker 3: you start making that trip into the city to start auditioning.
Speaker 4: My first job was when I was twenty eight months.
Speaker 2: What oh you were Yeah? Were young?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I was young. I'm actually happy Will did not
Speaker 4: join because he was my childhood crush.
Speaker 1: Oh oh man, We're going to have to redo this
Speaker 1: when he's.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So twenty eight months, my mom took me on an
Speaker 4: open call that she saw in the paper, which was
Speaker 4: for a national campaign called come on into Downy if
Speaker 4: you know UK. We were all so young, so I
Speaker 4: think it was like nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: Seven, Oh my gosh, and I was just.
Speaker 4: About two years old, and I was one of I
Speaker 4: think thousands of There was at least a thousand baby
Speaker 4: at the open call, and I somehow booked the job
Speaker 4: and I managed to keep working in a Do you.
Speaker 1: Remember the audition?
Speaker 4: What I remember was having fun.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: I mean like I literally.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: I just felt like I owned that room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. You walked out and you were like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I've got it.
Speaker 4: Go home, nine hundred and ninety nine other babies. No, no, no,
Speaker 4: I I you know, I just I honestly just always
Speaker 4: loved being around people, and I loved playing they believe,
Speaker 4: like I'm sure we all did, and do you know,
Speaker 4: So it's a natural part of being a kid. So
Speaker 4: I've always I always kind of rail against when people
Speaker 4: are like child actors, and you know, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of stank around that term, and I always want to
Speaker 4: highlight the success stories because people don't ever do that.
Speaker 4: Like Brian Gosling was a child actor. DiCaprio was a
Speaker 4: child actor. Reese Witherspoon was a child actor. I mean,
Speaker 4: like super intelligent, loved people who had to confront really
Speaker 4: early things like identity, success, showing up on time, Like
Speaker 4: those are things maybe too early to confront it twenty
Speaker 4: four months, So that's of damage. But there's also a
Speaker 4: lot of things that were you know, instill that I
Speaker 4: still feel like are amazing qualities too.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, I don't know, I feel very
Speaker 4: grateful for my weird path.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, we are right there with you.
Speaker 3: I mean we talk about it all the time that like,
Speaker 3: are there moments that are that are tough or difficult, Sure,
Speaker 3: but also like some of those moments made us who
Speaker 3: we are today, and like it wouldn't trade any of
Speaker 3: the lessons or the experiences.
Speaker 4: Do you guys never get can I ask you a question?
Speaker 4: I know that Do you ever get tired of being asked?
Speaker 4: Both of you guys? I mean, I know, Danielle, this
Speaker 4: is like the thing that everybody says to you, like
Speaker 4: all the time. Do you get tired of people asking you?
Speaker 4: Like it it's saying like I had a crush on
Speaker 4: you growing up? Is that like something that you like?
Speaker 4: How do you see that gracefully to both you and Ryder.
Speaker 2: I mean it's just a thank you. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's it's there's there's not much more
Speaker 2: you could say. I mean, I feel like people saying
Speaker 2: they have a crush is like cool, thanks. Well yeah,
Speaker 2: it's also just like you can't return the sentiment because
Speaker 2: you're just meeting them, right, so you can't be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I also have a history with you, because you don't.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it took me a long time to get
Speaker 2: comfortable with the idea that like one sided history is
Speaker 2: not necessarily a bad thing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like I used to be like that's weird, like I
Speaker 2: don't know you, and I would be alienated by that.
Speaker 2: I kind of pushed the the like put up my walls.
Speaker 2: And it's only recently that I've been able to say like, actually,
Speaker 2: that's kind of cool. Like when I think about how
Speaker 2: I felt about people I saw in movies or on stage,
Speaker 2: and you know, yeah I would I had feelings for them,
Speaker 2: and I think you know the hardest part was when
Speaker 2: we were actually teenagers and we were meeting other teenagers.
Speaker 2: That was uncomfortable because then it was like I know you,
Speaker 2: I love you, You're a part of my life, and
Speaker 2: you'd be like, no, I don't.
Speaker 4: You know, and they're like we could probably date, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we could hang out.
Speaker 1: And you're like yeah.
Speaker 3: I agree with writer that the hardest part was as
Speaker 3: a teenager and then and then always second guessing whether
Speaker 3: somebody was really interested in getting to know you or
Speaker 3: was kind of in love with the idea of you.
Speaker 3: As an adult, I always accept it never gets old
Speaker 3: hearing that somebody had a crush. It's never get it's
Speaker 3: never like annoying or like whatever. It's always very complimentary.
Speaker 3: But there's definitely I feel a distance from it. I
Speaker 3: know that what they felt was physical attraction. They thought
Speaker 3: I was an attractive person, and they loved the concept
Speaker 3: of who they thought I was based on a character
Speaker 3: I was playing. So I'm I'm very aware that they're
Speaker 3: not actually telling me they had a crush on me.
Speaker 3: They had a crush on their idea of me, based
Speaker 3: on one aspect of me that is me, myhysical appearance,
Speaker 3: and the other that's mostly written by Michael Jacobs.
Speaker 1: See what they love is my physical body with Michael Jacobs,
Speaker 1: and I just.
Speaker 3: Say thank you, and it's yeah, it's never what about
Speaker 3: for you? Is that an awkward situation for you?
Speaker 4: I mean people don't normally say that because I was
Speaker 4: young and not like I wasn't you know. I mean
Speaker 4: I had a long awkward phase. So no, people don't
Speaker 4: really people know. People don't come at me like that,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like people will say things
Speaker 4: that are wildly inappropriate from the californication stuff. Oh, and
Speaker 4: they'll say things that are like gross, and I just
Speaker 4: hope that you know that you can laugh it off
Speaker 4: and move on or witty to say. But most of
Speaker 4: the time you just stand there stunned, kind.
Speaker 1: Of like huh yeah cool.
Speaker 4: I wish I wish a guy would step in and
Speaker 4: just be like, back off, buddy. I wish I had
Speaker 4: like a and I have. I have had some guy
Speaker 4: friends or like boyfriends or whatever be like hey.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, I need you to take a step.
Speaker 4: Back, man, But no, like I haven't. I haven't had
Speaker 4: too many people be like crush on you growing up.
Speaker 4: Mostly people tell me they had a crush on friend
Speaker 4: dresser and I'm like, I'll.
Speaker 1: Let her know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, speed doll right here, hold on, yeah,
Speaker 4: brand soly Maroney.
Speaker 1: I'm here with what's your name? What exactly Kevin keV.
Speaker 3: Okay, you also have two sisters who are in the business.
Speaker 3: How did did the three of you were you were
Speaker 3: you guys attacking auditions as a trio?
Speaker 4: We attacking you know, We're We're all just We're all
Speaker 4: just had the creative and performative bug. But then also
Speaker 4: my mother was a dancer. She owned her the studio,
Speaker 4: and so she instead of being a dance mom because
Speaker 4: I was in dance, and then I had the chance
Speaker 4: to be like, Okay, I'm gonna do this or do that,
Speaker 4: and I wanted to play make believe. And then my
Speaker 4: sisters were like I was the oldest, and they're like,
Speaker 4: wait when I do that? And then so and it
Speaker 4: just we got incredibly as you guys know, like it's
Speaker 4: talent to a certain degree, but then it's also luck.
Speaker 4: And we all got lucky. And we were all on
Speaker 4: network shows in the nineties. So I was on The Nanny,
Speaker 4: Yvonne was on Er, and Vanessa was on a short
Speaker 4: lived show called Murder One with Stanley Tucci and Daniel
Speaker 4: It was a Stephen Bogcoch show. And we were just
Speaker 4: really were lucky. And yeah, I mean, I booked I
Speaker 4: booked Julie's gold when I was on the Nanny and
Speaker 4: they wouldn't let me out to do it, and then
Speaker 4: my sister Vanessa ended up doing it and Peter Fonda
Speaker 4: won a Golden Globe for that, So I mean we
Speaker 4: I feel so grateful for them because I truly don't
Speaker 4: know who I would be or if I would have survived,
Speaker 4: you know, like the rejection, thirty years of rejection leaves
Speaker 4: an imprint on you. And then having other people who
Speaker 4: were there every step of the way and they get
Speaker 4: it and they have your back is like, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: the greatest gift. But you have brothers and sisters. And
Speaker 4: I worked with your brother I think on a movie.
Speaker 4: I think I worked with Chris, Right, that's your brother
Speaker 4: or Silo.
Speaker 1: I was like you, I was just checked out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my brother Chris.
Speaker 4: I was like, brother's name is Shiloh. I got this
Speaker 4: so wrong?
Speaker 1: So wrong? No, my brother? Yes, wow, okay, on what movie?
Speaker 4: I think on a movie called I Am Watching You,
Speaker 4: he was an a D.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he my brother is an a D. He's
Speaker 3: been a he's been a line producer. He goes back
Speaker 3: and forth between those two that's so cool. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: I'll have to tell him I'm talking to you today.
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't think I've ever met Shiloh, but I
Speaker 4: did do running charades one time at your fam with Rachel.
Speaker 4: Racheler invited me to her house and and that's how
Speaker 4: I know that Ryder has like an encyclopedic knowledge of
Speaker 4: film is very impressive. So but yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: So funny to me that how different Writer and I
Speaker 3: are because one of the ways my husband always knows
Speaker 3: when someone's actually met me or not is if they
Speaker 3: say anything about being at a chain restaurant. I met
Speaker 3: Danielle once in Orange County at an Applebee's and jen Z's.
Speaker 3: That's definitely happened. And with Writer, anytime somebody mentions running charades,
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that definitely happened. Like that definitely happened
Speaker 3: you guys. You guys definitely hung out.
Speaker 2: But so, how did your family manage three different shows
Speaker 2: at the same time? Was your parents are bouncing between sets?
Speaker 4: Like no, my mom, my dad had a full time job.
Speaker 4: He's still a computer programmer, even though he should have retired.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm never going to retire. Still just got
Speaker 4: rehired at a new company doing computer programming. Wow, I know,
Speaker 4: and today's it's his birthday. Happy birthday, dad, little Scorpio father.
Speaker 4: How did my mom manage it? I don't know. She's insane,
Speaker 4: My mother is, you know, she just finished a novel.
Speaker 4: She's just like the most vicious person. Like, yeah, she's
Speaker 4: she's bedridden and blind and she did a novel. She
Speaker 4: was like, she did it on an app called plod
Speaker 4: where you just you dictate and then it records everything
Speaker 4: down and my sister helps her edit it, and she
Speaker 4: just she's she's the most ambitious person I've ever met.
Speaker 4: So it truly wasn't us. My mom did it all
Speaker 4: and would hire her sisters. She's the eldest of seven,
Speaker 4: so she's like a natural boss sisters to take care
Speaker 4: of us. So we had Aunt Susie taking me to
Speaker 4: the nanny and then like she would take Yvonne into
Speaker 4: you know whatever show and then hire or have somebody else.
Speaker 4: Cousin April would take us to take Vanessa to you know,
Speaker 4: like we were all it was like that. She she
Speaker 4: had employees and she was running like a little mini empire,
Speaker 4: but not really because we weren't making that much money.
Speaker 1: But was she always blind or has she gone blind?
Speaker 4: No, No, she's she's gotten blind over years. Not to like
Speaker 4: bring down the vibe, but yeah, yeah, you know had
Speaker 4: like long long term stuff health and all that stuff. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 4: she's again she's doing better than.
Speaker 2: All of us.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously the strongest, happiest brain.
Speaker 3: I wrote a novel and I'm like, oh god, I
Speaker 3: just all I want to do today is take a nap.
Speaker 3: So I'm so so impressed.
Speaker 1: Was moving to la always.
Speaker 3: Something your family event like talked about doing eventually or wasn't.
Speaker 4: I have to give all the credit to my mom
Speaker 4: because my dad had a job on the East coast
Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania. We had our whole family there, and I
Speaker 4: think it's like she took me to pilot season was
Speaker 4: really happening on the West coast and I was working,
Speaker 4: so it was like it seemed to make sense and
Speaker 4: it was just her kaka mami idea to be like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to take our whole family. She took me out,
Speaker 4: I think, just initially.
Speaker 1: And then I looked a.
Speaker 4: Show called Our Song with George Hamilton and Lauren tom
Speaker 4: who played on Friends. We Know Lauren, Yeah, you know Laurence.
Speaker 4: She's just lovely, lovely, the sweetest. I've run into her
Speaker 4: recently and she just always is just like the loveliest
Speaker 4: human being. So I worked with her and that show
Speaker 4: didn't get picked up, and then I think the very
Speaker 4: next pilot season, I got The Nanny, and so that
Speaker 4: was that and it kind of was like, we have
Speaker 4: to stay out here.
Speaker 3: Now before we jump into The Nanny. I want to
Speaker 3: ask you about hand that rocks the Cradle.
Speaker 4: Ask me about everything.
Speaker 1: I'm okay, what was that audition?
Speaker 3: Like, considering it is such a creepy movie and it's
Speaker 3: for a great director in Curtis Hansen.
Speaker 4: I mean, I can't remember the exact audition except for
Speaker 4: that I wanted so badly to book it because there
Speaker 4: was like many, you know, callbacks they like put kids
Speaker 4: through the wringer back of the day, like callbacks for
Speaker 4: like dude, like why, But I remember I messed up,
Speaker 4: Like my mom was like it would be cute if
Speaker 4: you said, if I book this, will I get an
Speaker 4: Academy Award? And I think it's something along the lines
Speaker 4: of like if I booked this, am I going to
Speaker 4: get an Oscar Mayer Award?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: Like, I got the I almost got the term right,
Speaker 4: but then.
Speaker 2: Not, which probably worked in your favor.
Speaker 4: They were like, yeah, exactly, So.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so funny.
Speaker 4: And everybody was really nice on that set. Apparently I
Speaker 4: got to meet Leonard Cohen, who I'm like, whoa this
Speaker 4: fan of? Because he was dating Rebecca de Morney at
Speaker 4: the time. I don't remember, but I was watching the
Speaker 4: documentary I'm Your Man, which is a beautiful documentary if
Speaker 4: you haven't seen it, and I'm like, at my mom's house,
Speaker 4: she's like, you know you met him, right, I'm like.
Speaker 2: What I met?
Speaker 4: I met Leonard the Leonard Cohen, and yeah, anyway, so
Speaker 4: I was like, I was flurred by that, but just.
Speaker 2: Goes to show how clueless we were when we were
Speaker 2: kids situations just being like, well, this is just the
Speaker 2: way the world works. We just go for movie a movie,
Speaker 2: and job a job and meet all these amazing people.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, so this was your first movie. It was
Speaker 3: also Julianne Moore's first movie. I mean, that's pretty awesome company.
Speaker 3: What do you remember about working with her?
Speaker 4: She was lovely and then her husband directed an episode
Speaker 4: of Californication later. Oh and so I got to see her.
Speaker 4: She came to set, and I was so nervous that
Speaker 4: she would weirdly judge me for the nudity, because I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, the her concept of me is when
Speaker 4: I was a baby, and then you know, I have
Speaker 4: done the nudity in this in this show, and I
Speaker 4: for some reason felt like, oh, she's gonna look down
Speaker 4: at it. And I'd forgotten about boogie Nights, I know.
Speaker 4: And she was so nice and she couldn't have been
Speaker 4: more warm to me, and she's like, you know, I
Speaker 4: thought of you, and I was. She's like, I watched
Speaker 4: this movie and it reminded me of you, and I
Speaker 4: was thinking of how you're doing, and I was like,
Speaker 4: you remember me. She was the sweetest. Like that just
Speaker 4: makes I'm sure you guys feel the same way, having
Speaker 4: been in the industry a long time. Is when someone
Speaker 4: is talented and kind and they and they want any
Speaker 4: in any area of life, You're just like, ugh, it
Speaker 4: gives me hope. Yes, those lovely, kind human beings who
Speaker 4: also have been doing it forever and they get their
Speaker 4: moment like a Melanie Lynskey. I don't know if you
Speaker 4: guys know her, Oh yeah, he's just like every time
Speaker 4: I see her in something, it fills my heart with
Speaker 4: joy because she's so brilliant, but then also she's the
Speaker 4: kindest human being and it just and Julianne Moore from
Speaker 4: my slivers of you know, like snapshots of time with
Speaker 4: her was the same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like love.
Speaker 4: Just coming at you and and and kind of people
Speaker 4: bolstering each other up, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We have quite a few connections between Boy Meets World
Speaker 3: and Hand That Rocks the Cradle.
Speaker 1: First, a PA on the movie.
Speaker 3: Lynn McCracken would become our stage manager and then a
Speaker 3: director on Boy Meets World.
Speaker 1: And Matt McCoy was the original.
Speaker 3: Dad on our show, but he was replaced mm hmmm,
Speaker 3: got nixed after the No.
Speaker 4: Mat McCoy is also a sweetheart.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so I feel like just just with those connections,
Speaker 3: we're we're already connected for life.
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, on top of meeting each other's siblings
Speaker 4: minus Shiloh.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, we need to make that happen.
Speaker 4: But I just I've also just like loved you guys forever,
Speaker 4: Like I have to say, all so so grateful to
Speaker 4: be asked to be on the on the podcast, and
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm like am I one of the
Speaker 4: cool kids now, you guys, because you guys were always like,
Speaker 4: you know, in in all the teen Things, and everybody
Speaker 4: wanted to like TGI Friday like t G I f
Speaker 4: of like Step by Step and Boy Meets World. That
Speaker 4: was the musty TV like Friends and Feld for our generation,
Speaker 4: for the younger ones. Like people did not miss it.
Speaker 4: I didn't miss it. It was like it was like
Speaker 4: the plus. I worked with Ben Savage then on a
Speaker 4: very uh you know, a lifetime movie. Yeah, recently or
Speaker 4: a couple of years back. It was like maybe ten
Speaker 4: ish years ago called Lake Effects.
Speaker 1: Okay, lake Effects. That's so funny. Wow, the connections just
Speaker 1: keep rolling.
Speaker 2: Well, so, wait, what years were was the Nanny on?
Speaker 4: The Nanny was? Good question. I don't know. I know
Speaker 4: my ages. I was six when we did the pilot,
Speaker 4: seven when it was picked up to series. Like, you
Speaker 4: know how long those ye were? So I was like
Speaker 4: already the next I was already a year older by
Speaker 4: the time I got picked up series, So six to
Speaker 4: seven to thirteen.
Speaker 1: I did you were born in eighty five?
Speaker 4: I was born in eighty five, so I think it.
Speaker 1: Was ninety one, Tonty.
Speaker 2: It's about the same time. We were on the air
Speaker 2: at the exact same time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ninety two, ninety three to ninety nine, ninety eight,
Speaker 4: something like that. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were ninety three to two thousand, so yeah,
Speaker 3: we were overlapping. How long afterhand that rocks the Cradle?
Speaker 3: Did you get the Nanny?
Speaker 2: A year?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 1: So pretty quick?
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean I was working. I was just always working.
Speaker 4: I got really lucky and I was good and I
Speaker 4: showed up on time and had showered. I don't know,
Speaker 4: you know, so yeah, it was like the next year,
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting because you started so young, because I mean,
Speaker 2: like Danielle and I didn't actually start acting until we
Speaker 2: were ten. We were late comers. Did you ever have
Speaker 2: the moment where we were like do I know how
Speaker 2: to act? I?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm still every day.
Speaker 1: But did you ever.
Speaker 2: Did you ever like take an acting class or like
Speaker 2: make decisions about or did you just be like, I
Speaker 2: gotta I'm going to figure this out on the fly
Speaker 2: and keep going.
Speaker 4: You know what's funny is that, truly I had a
Speaker 4: lot of like uh insecurity around that because I started
Speaker 4: so young, and I was like I wasn't trained, you know,
Speaker 4: I didn't go to drama school or anything like that.
Speaker 4: And then later I did an acting class that kind
Speaker 4: of reinforced what I already was doing the whole time,
Speaker 4: because as a child, you're already accessing your imagination. You're
Speaker 4: already personalizing things like, oh, my mommy's sick, like you're
Speaker 4: seeing your mom in front of you. You don't, you
Speaker 4: don't think like it's you know, that whole thing of
Speaker 4: the process and the craft of acting is to learn
Speaker 4: how to do that. I was always just doing it
Speaker 4: so and I didn't have to access my inner child.
Speaker 4: My inner child shows up before I do, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. Sure, you guys feel that way too.
Speaker 4: There's like such a like a strong part of that
Speaker 4: ten year old part of yourself is more imprinted and
Speaker 4: you're more in touch with it than the average chow right,
Speaker 4: because it was the person showing up and having to
Speaker 4: be a professional a little earlier that most people. So
Speaker 4: it really it reinforced later, like, oh, the craft part
Speaker 4: of it. I already do all those things. I already
Speaker 4: find a song that means something, or a smell or whatever.
Speaker 4: Like I had a process, it just didn't really have
Speaker 4: words for it. I was just kind of unconsciously if
Speaker 4: that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally makes perfect sense. I feel like I actually
Speaker 2: went more the opposite direction, like my insecurity drove me
Speaker 2: to like, oh, I have to figure out this craft.
Speaker 2: I must be doing something wrong, only to like in
Speaker 2: my twenties come back around and be like, no, I
Speaker 2: think the instincts were already there, Like I need to
Speaker 2: go back to that sort of like you said, like
Speaker 2: the childhood make believe part is that's the essence of
Speaker 2: acting really. But I had to go like full circle
Speaker 2: to come back to it, you know, because I felt
Speaker 2: this pressure to, like especially when I hit my early
Speaker 2: twenties and everybody was coming out of theater programs, you know, suddenly,
Speaker 2: like my competition was like all these people who had
Speaker 2: discovered acting at eighteen or twenty, and they were really,
Speaker 2: you know, well trained and could talk about acting in
Speaker 2: a way that I never could.
Speaker 4: They had lingo, they had, but by the way, it
Speaker 4: didn't you you know, it doesn't really matter, you know, Okay, cool,
Speaker 4: they've got the fancy lingo and they've got like wind
Speaker 4: in their sales from being like I'm a whatever graduate.
Speaker 4: We didn't have because we had the industry kind of
Speaker 4: giving us loops of like this is how you're seen,
Speaker 4: and you have a sense of how people see you.
Speaker 4: Perception and reality are something that you have to confront
Speaker 4: earlier on, which feeds insecurity. It's not like ego actually,
Speaker 4: which is why I think like child actors and people
Speaker 4: who've survived in the industry a long time are such
Speaker 4: a special breed of human because we didn't kind of
Speaker 4: come to LA with like a grandiose sense of self. Actually,
Speaker 4: the industry sort of found us when we were just
Speaker 4: mid stride, mid play, kind of doing our thing. And
Speaker 4: I think that that's I think that's a kind of
Speaker 4: a beautiful distinction because you aren't afforded the like I'm
Speaker 4: the grandiosity of some people who're here, Do you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, On the flip side, though, you also, like
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this the other when we were kids,
Speaker 2: I remember being palpably aware that they were very untalented
Speaker 2: kids who would get jobs, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: which doesn't happen as much when you're an adult. Like
Speaker 2: when you're an adult, it's like there's the pool of actors.
Speaker 2: It's like you don't just get apart because you look
Speaker 2: cute and hit your mark, whereas when your kids, like
Speaker 2: I remember a lot of times being in situations being like,
Speaker 2: well this person is not an actor.
Speaker 4: Yes, they're just they're cute.
Speaker 2: They could they say the line's right and they got
Speaker 2: cat or they're someone's kid, whatever, which also feeds the
Speaker 2: sense of like do I belong here? Is there a
Speaker 2: reason I'm here? Like? Do I have a right to
Speaker 2: be here? I don't know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. The reality of the industry is is a
Speaker 4: is a rough one, and so the comparison and being
Speaker 4: super hyper aware and critical of both ourselves and everyone
Speaker 4: around us. We internalize the things that we sort of
Speaker 4: hear whispers of or have a sense of because kids
Speaker 4: are so intuitive. Yeah, you don't even have to have
Speaker 4: someone tell you something. You could feel things you know
Speaker 4: right like on that you're like, oh, they're disappointed in
Speaker 4: the way that that was delivered. Can you internalize those things?
Speaker 4: And it becomes the inner critic. That's not a critical parent,
Speaker 4: it's not a it's the world. And you internalize ideas
Speaker 4: about the way the world sees you towards yourself, which
Speaker 4: it is not something that most people ever confront in
Speaker 4: their lives like me I have. I had, you know,
Speaker 4: absorbed more rejection by the time I was eleven years
Speaker 4: old that most people will absorb and their whole lives,
Speaker 4: you know, and having to confront that and like process
Speaker 4: it and do it in a healthy way without like
Speaker 4: you know, a substance or whatever like that is. I'm
Speaker 4: really proud of the person that I've become because I've
Speaker 4: faced down so much, how many things that most people
Speaker 4: never look at.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I want to talk to you about when you
Speaker 3: remember meeting Fran Did you guys do a chemistry test?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, yeah. I was like, who's this lady with
Speaker 4: the voice? I didn't know it was her show was
Speaker 4: like I think I didn't know till like later, like
Speaker 4: one of the again, like one of the seventeen million
Speaker 4: auditions that we hoops we had to jump through as
Speaker 4: good little trained monkeys, And I was like this lady
Speaker 4: with the voice, And then at some point I realized
Speaker 4: she was important in the.
Speaker 1: Room, right, you were like star.
Speaker 4: He liked me, and I remember, I do remember there
Speaker 4: was a choice that my mom specifically told me not
Speaker 4: to do, but I had for some reason gotten locked
Speaker 4: into it. You know, when you're an actor and you
Speaker 4: get clocked into a line reading or at whatever, and
Speaker 4: I was like, I had set a line and went
Speaker 4: like this, which is such a like a little kid thing.
Speaker 4: I went, you know, like something like that. I did
Speaker 4: it in the room and I was like, no, why
Speaker 4: do I Yeah, I screwed it up, but I still
Speaker 4: somehow got the job. I think I was again by
Speaker 4: that point like kind of more polished and stuff. Apparently
Speaker 4: I auditioned for Diane Keaton when I was young, for
Speaker 4: he called The Good Mother. She didn't direct it, but
Speaker 4: she was in the chemistry you read, and I did
Speaker 4: remember this that like I said hello Diane, and and
Speaker 4: then somebody said, oh, this is Diane, and this is
Speaker 4: everyone else, and I said hello Diane, hello everyone else.
Speaker 4: And I guess it was so so sassy that he
Speaker 4: was like, she's too slick and I couldn't so being
Speaker 4: too slick for dian Keaton, which I'm honored just to
Speaker 4: have been called that. Yeah, but but it worked out
Speaker 4: in the Nanny because you kind of had to be
Speaker 4: sort of you know, yeah. I remember just her voice
Speaker 4: and then I was like, those voice wasn't going to
Speaker 4: go over again.
Speaker 3: And that was the whole thing, right, that's so funny,
Speaker 3: and by all accounts, it seems like she really had
Speaker 3: to stand up for herself a lot on this show,
Speaker 3: and in the nineties that was not an easy thing
Speaker 3: for women in the industry. Do you recall her ever
Speaker 3: having to be kind of a tough ass and put
Speaker 3: her foot down so that she could accomplish her vision.
Speaker 4: I think that's just naturally who she is. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: think that's just naturally who she is. I think there's
Speaker 4: even there's even like old I'm gonna get called someone's
Speaker 4: gonna throw a spirit at me for saying this, But
Speaker 4: there's old interviews of Pran where she's like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: a bu and she kind of just owned that. Maybe
Speaker 4: before that was something that women could own, right, and
Speaker 4: she could stand in the fact that she made that
Speaker 4: happen for herself. Do you guys know how the Nanny
Speaker 4: got Greenland and got made No, she was on a flight,
Speaker 4: on a flight, like a first class flight, and she
Speaker 4: happened to be sitting next to Jeff Sagansky, like the
Speaker 4: president of CBS, and she started pitching him her show,
Speaker 4: and like by the time the plane landed, she basically
Speaker 4: had a shunbelievable, Like stuff like that doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 4: But she just was one of those people who, like
Speaker 4: my mother, believed in herself and in fight of everything
Speaker 4: else and everyone else, someone could be that part of
Speaker 4: ourselves where we internalized the critic. She didn't have that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: had an internal part of herself that was like I'm
Speaker 4: doing this and yeah, you know, I'm the star and
Speaker 4: I feel, you know, like comfortable with all that and
Speaker 4: that it's yeah. So I definitely saw many moments like that.
Speaker 1: Do you think that influenced you at all? Like, did that?
Speaker 1: Was that? Okay?
Speaker 3: I love that, It definitely did.
Speaker 4: But I also was like, you know, there's there everyone
Speaker 4: is a teacher, right, so like there are certain things
Speaker 4: that you take from every single person, and you're like,
Speaker 4: some things you're like and some things you're like. You know,
Speaker 4: so there are both of those things were true on
Speaker 4: that set. You know, I think it was beautiful to
Speaker 4: have a woman be so powerful and owning herself so much.
Speaker 4: But also, you know, I think I was young and
Speaker 4: didn't know to celebrate all those things at the time
Speaker 4: because at that time women still were judged really harshly,
Speaker 4: and I probably was a part of that, you know,
Speaker 4: societal soup. If that mean yeah, I didn't learn until
Speaker 4: later that like about feminism or about although my mom
Speaker 4: was always very like strong, powerful woman, but there were
Speaker 4: things about those those aspects of a personality that I
Speaker 4: really shied away from that I that I didn't feel
Speaker 4: safe in, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I think as a child it as an actor, it's
Speaker 3: impossible to have embraced seeing that because we are told
Speaker 3: and it's apparent when you look around you that being
Speaker 3: a team player and being easy to work with and
Speaker 3: being directionable, those are the things that get you work.
Speaker 3: Those are the things that make you an asset. And
Speaker 3: we're constantly chasing the validation of I. They like me
Speaker 3: because I'm easy to work with. They like me because
Speaker 3: you're a trooper.
Speaker 4: I hate that term. Oh my god. I the word
Speaker 4: trooper is so triggering because I've done so many horror
Speaker 4: films where you're just like kind of basically abused. We're
Speaker 4: horrible to work on. I don't know any actor who
Speaker 4: actually enjoys it under.
Speaker 2: I went through, I went through my face but no, no,
Speaker 2: now now I want to direct them.
Speaker 4: I get it, I get it, but like, but like
Speaker 4: as a girl in a horror film have to be.
Speaker 2: Naked and you.
Speaker 4: And it's freezing and it's you and you're covered in
Speaker 4: sticky you know, cold blood and and you're like, you
Speaker 4: know so and then they're making like, you know, five
Speaker 4: dollars barely covering your gas to get to debt. To
Speaker 4: be honest, maybe.
Speaker 2: You have a honeywagon if you're on location, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I've done so many of those, and
Speaker 4: so I whenever people would be like you're such a trooper,
Speaker 4: it's usually after you've hurt yourself and you're noting the
Speaker 4: company and you're like, right right, yeah, you can fire
Speaker 4: a file for workers comp and like, why didn't I
Speaker 4: do that?
Speaker 3: Anyway, So as the show starts to catch fire, it
Speaker 3: becomes a global sensation. How did you keep a level head?
Speaker 3: And what was your school situation? Were you in a
Speaker 3: traditional school or were you home schools? What were what
Speaker 3: were you doing?
Speaker 4: What? I want to know what you guys were doing too?
Speaker 4: I was, I was in regular school.
Speaker 1: So was that public school?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, what a mistake. Our parents so bad? Okay, sorry,
Speaker 4: but like no, our parents messed up. Like I was
Speaker 4: in public school with Burbank.
Speaker 2: There weren't a whole lot of options back then. Like
Speaker 2: now you meet child actors and they're all like online
Speaker 2: school or they do like correspondence courses, like I went
Speaker 2: to a tiny like alternati hippie school in northern California
Speaker 2: and they were just they were just like do whatever
Speaker 2: you want, which is fine, but like otherwise, there wasn't
Speaker 2: that many options unless.
Speaker 4: You know, like, dude, I was bullied. I don't know
Speaker 4: about you, Danielle, were you bullied into? Like for me,
Speaker 4: it was brutal, like I was not like like I
Speaker 4: don't know I was.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people would come after me and like chase me
Speaker 4: down after class, like it was. It was so bad
Speaker 4: that they took me out of school.
Speaker 3: Actually, oh my gosh, Bourbank. I feel like, were there
Speaker 3: not other child actors at your school?
Speaker 4: I didn't, you know, No, not not at not at
Speaker 4: Miller Elementary, and not at John Muir. John Muir was
Speaker 4: really bad, but no, there were no other child actors.
Speaker 4: I should have been in and and then eventually I
Speaker 4: was at homeschooled. Yeah, but it was it was not
Speaker 4: it was a bad move. It was a bad okay
Speaker 4: because I was there for right, You're like working for
Speaker 4: three weeks and you have hiatus. Yeah, so that one
Speaker 4: week a month, I'm back in school.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I did.
Speaker 4: Target. Well did you go did you have other child
Speaker 4: actors that were like at the were you in public
Speaker 4: school like.
Speaker 1: I was in public school?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I and and there were other child actors,
Speaker 3: not necessarily in junior high, not necessarily other kids that
Speaker 3: were gone as often as I was, And so there
Speaker 3: was like, I don't I wouldn't even call it bullying.
Speaker 3: There were some people that would, like, you know, throw
Speaker 3: an insult at me occasionally, like.
Speaker 1: Oh, the princess is back, welcome, but you know you,
Speaker 1: where have you been?
Speaker 3: Like there was some of that, but I was never
Speaker 3: like aggressively, I was not. I would never even call
Speaker 3: it bullying. And then in high school, after I had
Speaker 3: already been because we started Boy Meets World when I
Speaker 3: was in sixth grade, So I went through sixth, seventh,
Speaker 3: and eighth, and then all basically all those same kids
Speaker 3: just moved to high school with me. And by then
Speaker 3: it was just like yeah, old news, Danielle's you know,
Speaker 3: Danielle's famous, and and and I had no issues.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was never experiencing like the famous part, like
Speaker 4: nobody wanted to be my friend because of Not The Nanny.
Speaker 4: I think because on your show it was a little
Speaker 4: bit more about the kids, like right right, and your
Speaker 4: storylines were important, and so yours is important. On The Nanny,
Speaker 4: we were we were sort of props, like both like
Speaker 4: you know, just we weren't really we had one or
Speaker 4: two storylines the first season and then that was like
Speaker 4: not really, we weren't really like a part. We were
Speaker 4: part of the show just because the show was called
Speaker 4: The Nanny, but we weren't really like and it didn't
Speaker 4: feel like we were a really important part of the show.
Speaker 2: So how many of you were how many of you
Speaker 2: were there? There was Nicole, Tom, you.
Speaker 4: And Ben Salisbury. It was three of us three nights.
Speaker 2: And were you guys all in set school together?
Speaker 4: We were all in set school together.
Speaker 2: One studio teacher or did you have two?
Speaker 4: We had one one studio teacher, and then eventually they
Speaker 4: all graduated and I got to have two studio teachers.
Speaker 4: I had had Leslie Hall. I don't know if she's
Speaker 4: still around or not, but she was amazing, and then
Speaker 4: I had more Murray Mednick. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 4: know if the last guy's name what his last name
Speaker 4: was not Medniic, but but he did. He did. My
Speaker 4: I had like a private, you know, school education in
Speaker 4: a way because he taught me Latin like trigonometry and
Speaker 4: something else like at the same and algebra the same.
Speaker 4: Like he would come in special days just for my
Speaker 4: like yeah, you know, elective courses. So I was grateful
Speaker 4: for that extra attention around my schooling to a certain degree.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, we were all in set school. Banking
Speaker 4: hours you guys remember that?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, remember the banking hours. You're going
Speaker 3: to bank today? All right, We've got enough banked hours.
Speaker 3: You can work all day.
Speaker 4: I love those days when I got to just be
Speaker 4: on I don't know about you guys. Were you just
Speaker 4: same that, You're like, I'm one of the big kids.
Speaker 4: I get to do what I actually enjoy doing, and
Speaker 4: and I just felt like it was the best. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: We always talk about loving the multi caam aspect of
Speaker 3: Boy meets World. Being in front of a live studio audience.
Speaker 3: Did you like that putting on a weekly play aspect
Speaker 3: of it all?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was so exciting, and honestly, I think
Speaker 4: everybody felt like once we got rid of the live
Speaker 4: audience that the show started to decline.
Speaker 2: Do you know do you know why you guys got
Speaker 2: rid of the audience?
Speaker 4: I don't know. It wasn't obviously about my pay grade,
Speaker 4: but I have no idea. But I know that once
Speaker 4: we started having the laughers come in, did you guys
Speaker 4: grab laughers?
Speaker 5: Not on?
Speaker 2: Boy?
Speaker 1: No, did you show shows I direct? Now we use laughers?
Speaker 4: Oh cool? So so you guys both direct. Now I've
Speaker 4: directed a little bit, but it's been very hard to
Speaker 4: like break in that. So it's the best feeling, right,
Speaker 4: every all the all the all the experience that you
Speaker 4: guys have, you finally get to put it into something
Speaker 4: and be sensitive to the actors communicate and then when
Speaker 4: the children on set, you have this extra understanding and
Speaker 4: sensitivity around that like it's it's it's a again, there's
Speaker 4: amount the amount of experience and value that you bring
Speaker 4: from just that much skin in the game, right that
Speaker 4: ours doing something like Jody Foster is what.
Speaker 2: And actors feel it. They they they when you walk
Speaker 2: on set and you're an actor who's turned director, they're
Speaker 2: so much more comfortable. There's immediately like, oh you get
Speaker 2: what's going on here, and it puts everybody at ease.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's like a superpower. It's so wonderful.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, like Jody Foster is one of the same,
Speaker 4: like where you're just like But it's funny though to me,
Speaker 4: the the perceptions in the industry where it's like Jody
Speaker 4: Foster is is this amount of value And then like
Speaker 4: I've always felt like lesser because of being a child actor.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you can felt that way. So
Speaker 4: it's like you almost have like more of a chip
Speaker 4: on your shoulder to prove, like I have intelligence and
Speaker 4: and like and all these other things to offer. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know, but that's so cool that you guys
Speaker 4: both directed. I wasn't. I didn't know that you directed
Speaker 4: to Danielle. That's so cool.
Speaker 3: On a on a weird uh, it's going to feel
Speaker 3: like a tangent, but it is a related note.
Speaker 1: Do you have any trouble picking out.
Speaker 3: Your clothes or getting getting dressed on a regular basis?
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 4: I have executive dysfunction, like on a make your level.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys have that, because you
Speaker 4: know so much, so many decisions were decided for you,
Speaker 4: so that that that confidence in yourself definitely is something
Speaker 4: that like when I'm not resourcing and having like Meditated
Speaker 4: and Daniella taking care of myself, I definitely get overwhelmed.
Speaker 4: And when I'm hungry. When I'm hungry, it's like my
Speaker 4: partner is like, you need to eat because I can't,
Speaker 4: Like I can't function if I get on angry, it's
Speaker 4: just like I leave my body or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, craft service always there, I don't know, and.
Speaker 4: Still my favorite part of set. It's like this is
Speaker 4: ninety percent of while I still do this all the time,
Speaker 4: and I still always like will steal like a banana
Speaker 4: or an apple, like like I've got to squirrel the.
Speaker 7: Way to bring this home, got to bring this home,
Speaker 7: got to bring food home wearing it for later.
Speaker 1: You guys have that, yeah, yeah we yeah. And before we.
Speaker 2: Started this podcast, I realized that like I practically have
Speaker 2: a panic attack every time I'm getting changed, Like I
Speaker 2: like I just hate putting on clothes. And I like
Speaker 2: went into the other room to ask my wife. I
Speaker 2: was like, just getting dress stressed you out? And She's like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? And I realized it was
Speaker 2: like all right, because we always had like little quick
Speaker 2: change rooms between scenes that we'd had to go and
Speaker 2: like change while the audience is waiting the whole crew,
Speaker 2: and I just totally internalized that I still like can't
Speaker 2: stand changing clothes.
Speaker 3: I also have no idea what does or does not
Speaker 3: look good on me. I have no idea what my
Speaker 3: taste or style is. I just if I.
Speaker 1: Don't go into the room and have.
Speaker 3: A fully put together outfit of like here's your belt,
Speaker 3: here's your shoes, and I'll hang it all back up.
Speaker 3: I'm neat and tidy and I'll do a t I'm
Speaker 3: a trooper, I'm a team player. But I just don't
Speaker 3: know it's been picked for me. Where's my polaroids?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: I'm the same. I literally put this sweater on and
Speaker 4: then I looked at the at the frame beforehand, you
Speaker 4: know you check the thing on the zooke, and I
Speaker 4: was like, that looks crazy. I was like, I better
Speaker 4: take that off myself. It's not too cold. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I definitely have that, and clothes have always stressed me out.
Speaker 4: I don't like shopping, I don't like putting on outfits.
Speaker 4: The whole thing I rejected. So yeah, I'm not a
Speaker 4: girlways into clothes never happened.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: While researching The Nanny, I did uncover one of the
Speaker 3: weirdest facts about the show. Roger Clinton, the brother of
Speaker 3: President Bill Clinton, appeared in three episodes.
Speaker 4: Was wow. I didn't even know that, but yeah, he
Speaker 4: was really nice. He was really nice. Everyone was. You know,
Speaker 4: my mom was in love with Bill Clinton. Everybody was
Speaker 4: so like, maybe Bill will come.
Speaker 1: Do you think Bill will come?
Speaker 4: This is like no, he was yeah, he was president,
Speaker 4: he was president. You know. Yeah, he was just really nice.
Speaker 4: Roger Clinton was a sweetheart from what I remember, very
Speaker 4: very nice to me. You know. Anybody who had kids
Speaker 4: and came on set was just like love. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: even people who didn't have kids, but they was just
Speaker 4: exciting to be like breathe the same air as them.
Speaker 4: Like Elizabeth Taylor was on The Nanny whoa Yeah, And
Speaker 4: there was a memo that went around that was like
Speaker 4: we weren't allowed to look in her eyes.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I knew it was going to
Speaker 1: be that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like crazy rules that were like from a
Speaker 4: bygone era of golden age of Hollywood. Yeah. And Donald O'Connor,
Speaker 4: who's the guy who does the like backwards flip and
Speaker 4: singing the rain and he worked with Marilyn Monroe in
Speaker 4: some movie. But he would tell me stories about Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 4: When I was little, Jason Alexander was on the Nanny
Speaker 4: and did like the time step with me. I was like,
Speaker 4: I know how to do a time step because of
Speaker 4: my little bit of dance backgrounds. It was like, you know,
Speaker 4: I was showing he's like very good and I was
Speaker 4: like torch kids, Dancel likes my time, you know. And
Speaker 4: he was so sweet. So it's like I always remember
Speaker 4: the people who were so generous and like lovely with me. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, we grew up in a really like Boy Meets
Speaker 3: World was a very family environment. But that's partially and
Speaker 3: maybe mostly because we were a kid more of a
Speaker 3: kid slash family show.
Speaker 1: What was set like for you guys?
Speaker 3: Was it did it feel more like an adult adult
Speaker 3: environment that you were thrust into or did it did
Speaker 3: it all?
Speaker 1: See?
Speaker 4: I did feel more like it wasn't. I'm always like
Speaker 4: I'm always you know, I don't have much of a filter,
Speaker 4: so it's really difficult all the time. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: just it was. It was an adult environment for sure.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like you know, uh, it wasn't oriented around
Speaker 4: the children.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, on it exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: And then there were a lot of grown up, you
Speaker 4: know jokes, and it's like, we got to throw the
Speaker 4: kid out of the room so we can make the
Speaker 4: joke about sex out of that. I think, you know,
Speaker 4: there's probably like will be like a mash up somewhere
Speaker 4: of like all the times they threw Gracie out of
Speaker 4: the room so that she could say something sassy or yeah.
Speaker 4: So it was like it was more like that. And
Speaker 4: but again, like I wouldn't change any of it for
Speaker 4: the world. I'm not like, I'm not shading the show.
Speaker 4: It's it's that I learned so much and I and
Speaker 4: I and I grew so much from watching everyone and everything,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But I had awareness of
Speaker 4: like a dirty joke earlier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the fashion of the nanny has had a bit
Speaker 3: of a TikTok resurgence, a lot of pants suits, and
Speaker 3: I know that even Sabrina Carpenter has found inspiration in
Speaker 3: the outfits. Are you surprised by the nanny renaissance?
Speaker 4: No, I'm not, because again, it was ahead of its time,
Speaker 4: being like a female forward show and a show that
Speaker 4: was yeah, like outfit changes, that's like the whole thing now,
Speaker 4: you know, Sabrina Carpenter does it. Taylor Swift, It's like
Speaker 4: changed those outfits.
Speaker 3: Girl.
Speaker 4: It's kind of impressive how much fashion was on the show,
Speaker 4: and Brenda Cooper, who was the costume designer, deserves full
Speaker 4: credit for that because she was pulling like Bob Mackie
Speaker 4: and all these designers way before Sex and the City even.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like it was just ahead of its time,
Speaker 4: and then you know, everything that's old becomes new again
Speaker 4: as you guys never comes back around. So it doesn't
Speaker 4: surprise me that people are really like digging into the
Speaker 4: Nanny and France. Fashion was like it was really the
Speaker 4: star of the show, aside from like, you know, her
Speaker 4: voice and her chemistry with Charles Shawn. So like, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean Charlie, you know when I say things weren't
Speaker 4: oriented around the children, Charlie, and like, there were a
Speaker 4: lot of people who were great on the show. So
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to show and all that stuff. I
Speaker 4: just want to clarify that. But yeah, I'm surprised about
Speaker 4: the Renaissance. It's just it's just it makes perfect sense
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 3: You have gone on to appear in so much stuff.
Speaker 3: When you're filming Californiaication or Hacks or High Potential, does
Speaker 3: the nanny ever come up?
Speaker 1: Do people talk to you about it?
Speaker 4: You know, Californication? Not really?
Speaker 2: Not really.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know people don't really ask. You know,
Speaker 4: on sets, people are all too busy, you know, doing
Speaker 4: their own thing and work, so people aren't really like,
Speaker 4: what was it really like working with that person. Some
Speaker 4: people will ask about David Lynch because it's such a
Speaker 4: cult favorite, so people will ask about David Lynch.
Speaker 3: Well that's my next question. So if you want to
Speaker 3: go right into it, go for it.
Speaker 4: Well you ask a question, Okay.
Speaker 3: So you appeared in the twenty seventeen revisit of Twin Peaks,
Speaker 3: and he passed away at the beginning of this year,
Speaker 3: so I wanted to hear about what your experience was
Speaker 3: like with him.
Speaker 4: I have I have such fond memories of working with
Speaker 4: David Lynch. I got to work with him for two
Speaker 4: whole days, which was a luxurious amount of time to
Speaker 4: shoot like basically two scenes, right, and I there was
Speaker 4: such a sense of like like a cold following around him,
Speaker 4: like he's the cult leader. And everyone's like, yes, sir,
Speaker 4: you know that whole thing. But I'm I've never played
Speaker 4: that game because I've just been doing this so long.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not really starstruck by most people. Musicians
Speaker 4: for sure, but like actors or like directors, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I know the game, kid, And even with David Lynch,
Speaker 4: I just didn't have Although I was a fan, I
Speaker 4: wasn't like I wanted to ask questions and I was
Speaker 4: free to ask questions. So there is a scene where
Speaker 4: they're they're, you know, spraying me with a ton of
Speaker 4: it's like two hundred and fifty gallons of blood, right,
Speaker 4: and I'm oh my gosh, naked, and everyone's we got
Speaker 4: one shot with the blood. We got one shot with
Speaker 4: the blood. And everyone's just like, you know, stressed and
Speaker 4: freaking out. Not David, of course, he's like he's like,
Speaker 4: you know, one of those people they talk about, like
Speaker 4: Steve Jobs, where reality bends and warps around them. Like
Speaker 4: he's like on set smoking which was like not allowed,
Speaker 4: but of course he was smoking, but just like in
Speaker 4: this aura bubble and everyone's like okay, we got one
Speaker 4: shot with the blood and they're about to call action,
Speaker 4: and I just like raised my little hand, my little
Speaker 4: naked hand, and I was like excuse me, and everyone's
Speaker 4: like dead, dead silent, And I was like, do you
Speaker 4: think maybe instead of just doing the blood, maybe we'd
Speaker 4: just do a plate and you can add the blood
Speaker 4: later if you wanted, and then and then you could
Speaker 4: do the blood after that way you have an option.
Speaker 4: And it was dead silent. I mean, everyone just like
Speaker 4: you really just shell Dave Lynch was to do and
Speaker 4: and he's like, you know what, Tracy got a pretty
Speaker 4: good idea, let's do that. So literally we did two takes.
Speaker 4: We did one that was dry where they could add
Speaker 4: the blood later, and one with the blood. And afterwards,
Speaker 4: the first Ada came up to me and was like,
Speaker 4: you're a very brave girl, and I was like, oh am,
Speaker 4: I I didn't realize, like I just did something that
Speaker 4: made perfect sense to me from an experiential standpoint. And
Speaker 4: then and then also he took it in because great
Speaker 4: directors like you guys, know, great people like are open
Speaker 4: to the best idea in the room, no matter where.
Speaker 1: Totally best idea wins.
Speaker 4: Yes, it wins. He goes aside, let's have room for
Speaker 4: the best idea. So that's my experience of David, which.
Speaker 7: Was, what a cool story, what a great experience, What
Speaker 7: a proud moment for you, Like yeah, yeah, where you're like, yes,
Speaker 7: I have been paying attention and to have had the
Speaker 7: confidence to say, listen, I'm not I'm the one in
Speaker 7: this body who's about to have this blood sprayed, and
Speaker 7: to think if it goes wrong and then I'm going
Speaker 7: to be in.
Speaker 3: This high stress. They're not never gonna be happy if
Speaker 3: something goes wrong. They're not going to say we only
Speaker 3: get one take, We're gonna have to do it again
Speaker 3: on another day. And like if I just raise my
Speaker 3: hand and make a suggestion, I guess it could go
Speaker 3: one of two ways. But the like, that's just incredible.
Speaker 3: I'm so proud of you. I like want to I
Speaker 3: just am so that's so incredible. I'm so I'm so
Speaker 3: thrilled we know that story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it was again a testament to him as
Speaker 4: a as an open, you know, collaborative artist.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I also cannot let you leave without talking to
Speaker 3: you about the nineteen ninety three cinematic experience that is
Speaker 3: mister Nanny. You appeared in the movie alongside star Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 3: It is about a former pro wrestler who is hired
Speaker 3: to be a bodyguard slash nanny for braddy kids, whose
Speaker 3: dad is also being stalked by his business rival. I
Speaker 3: need to know everything about this experience.
Speaker 4: I was, okay, so there's so many things. He was
Speaker 4: there with his kids. Okay, name is Terry, and I
Speaker 4: just remember him like there was some scandal about him
Speaker 4: right before we started, Like it was that he had
Speaker 4: smoked marijuana, right which is now no going to care,
Speaker 4: but back in the das the scandal of whole. So
Speaker 4: I'm no, I know that there's he's he's had some
Speaker 4: other stuff come out which I haven't heard but people
Speaker 4: of you know. And then I was like, I didn't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the deal is. But my little
Speaker 4: snapshot of an experience with him was that he was
Speaker 4: really the sweetest to me, and he had a think
Speaker 4: a wish kid on set more than once, and he
Speaker 4: was just you know, you know, like just he would
Speaker 4: do his bit for whoever. It was very sweet, and
Speaker 4: we tortured him. I mean we literally like had to
Speaker 4: do all these crazy stunts with him and he gets electrocuted,
Speaker 4: and you know, but he was so sweet. The director
Speaker 4: was so sweet. I worked with Sherman Helmsley from uh
Speaker 4: that old I can't remember the Jeffersons, the Jeffersons, Sherman
Speaker 4: Helmsley and Mother Love, and they were both just so
Speaker 4: warm and sweet. I have so many pictures of Mother
Speaker 4: Love just like holding me when I'm like, oh kiddo,
Speaker 4: And and everybody was just great, like I just it
Speaker 4: was one of those things where I felt I kind
Speaker 4: of felt like respected and like a part of it right,
Speaker 4: you know, like a part of the whole process. And
Speaker 4: and yeah, Huole Cogan was just super super nice to
Speaker 4: me as a kid, which was all my memory of him.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's good to hear.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My last question for you is if you could go
Speaker 3: back in time and talk to let's say seven year
Speaker 3: old Madeline, what advice would you give her? Now?
Speaker 1: What would you say to her?
Speaker 4: I mean, I do this all the time in therapy.
Speaker 4: Is this the therapy?
Speaker 1: This is the therapy part?
Speaker 4: I would tell her like I would tell like any
Speaker 4: young girl to trust themselves more than like that little
Speaker 4: voice inside is right no matter what anyone else tells you.
Speaker 4: And the more you trust that and you move from
Speaker 4: that place of like honoring yourself, you will be happier.
Speaker 4: People will recognize you more because there'll be more of
Speaker 4: you there, and you'll be proud of yourself like I
Speaker 4: was that day on set with David. Normally you could
Speaker 4: just let that moment go by. But the courage to
Speaker 4: stand up and allow yourself to be seen and to
Speaker 4: speak from with you know, from an authentic place that
Speaker 4: you just yeah, you just you get a point, you
Speaker 4: know you kind of you, you level up, you beat
Speaker 4: the big boss inside that that critical, internalized voice of
Speaker 4: the world that says you can't do it, and then
Speaker 4: you feel like, you know what I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4: I feel fantastic.
Speaker 2: Be true to yourself. Don't be a trooper exactly.
Speaker 4: Put that on the shirt you feel something, Say something.
Speaker 3: Madeline, Where what are you working on now? Where can
Speaker 3: people find you? Tell us everything?
Speaker 4: Okay? Well, I am releasing a web series that me
Speaker 4: and my sisters wrote together. I'm just little snippets of
Speaker 4: it called What's Her Face? That's just for fun, it's
Speaker 4: not It's very lighthearted. It's about three child actors growing
Speaker 4: up with the arrested development and unable to sort of
Speaker 4: put They're grown up, undis gone. And then I did
Speaker 4: two films recently, one called Reunion with Ryan Hansen and
Speaker 4: Jake Choy and and and it's it's It's gonna be
Speaker 4: so funny. It's about a twenty year high school reunion.
Speaker 4: And uh, I'm trying to remember everything else. And then
Speaker 4: I just did a movie called The Bench that will
Speaker 4: be coming out with rel Howery Little rel Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: from get Out and so yeah, well, you know, just
Speaker 4: plugging away. I'm still managing to get work. And I
Speaker 4: feel so grateful and I'm so grateful to be here
Speaker 4: with you guys.
Speaker 1: So thank you.
Speaker 4: I feel like one of the cool kids.
Speaker 3: Now you are officially a part of the cool Kid
Speaker 3: Pod meets World crew.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for spending your time with us.
Speaker 3: It was wonderful talking to you, getting to know you
Speaker 3: a little bit, and just thank you for thank you
Speaker 3: for being here with us.
Speaker 4: Thank you guys for having me. It was just a joy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good to see you.
Speaker 4: Bye, Hi, take care.
Speaker 2: Oh she got off quick. She did not have the
Speaker 2: millennial pause exited.
Speaker 3: She did not she knew exactly how to exit. You
Speaker 3: know what I bet I bet Tara helped her exit.
Speaker 3: They're like, ow, she's so.
Speaker 2: Cool, so cool, My god, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: So it's I cannot believe that it still surprises me
Speaker 3: after this many conversations with former child actors, how many
Speaker 3: things in common we have, it shouldn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 1: But the only thing I think.
Speaker 3: She said that I didn't totally resonate with was when
Speaker 3: she talked about how in touch with her inner child
Speaker 3: she is. And I was like, I feel like I
Speaker 3: don't have any access to my inner child because I
Speaker 3: think I stuffed it so much. I think I to me,
Speaker 3: you know, but I mean we had a different experience.
Speaker 3: We were told how to be a child. We were
Speaker 3: given line readings on how to be a child, yes,
Speaker 3: instead of being told to discover how to do it.
Speaker 3: And so I think from the from age ten on,
Speaker 3: I stopped being a child and just started pretending to
Speaker 3: be a child or.
Speaker 2: Just trying to be a grown up as quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, I became an adult pretending to be
Speaker 3: a child, and so it was like there was no
Speaker 3: real discovery of childhood or teenagehood even And then that's
Speaker 3: what I spent my twenties and thirties doing I guess
Speaker 3: so yeah, but wow, she was really a that story
Speaker 3: about David Lynch and her saying like, hey, guys, we
Speaker 3: could shoot a plate.
Speaker 2: You could do it a different way. This doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be this hard.
Speaker 1: I can really help you out anyway.
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