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Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what with the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer Tim Kirkshin, I'm his son, Jeff Kirkshin, And

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Speaker 1: today we have a Hall of Famer joining us, Not you, Dad,

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Speaker 1: I mean you're always joining us. But we have Tom Glavin,

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame baseball player who is also drafted in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four to play in the NHL. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to him about the NHL playoffs and so

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Speaker 1: much more.

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Speaker 2: Right, We're gonna talk hockey, We're gonna talk golf, We're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk baseball. And few people that I have met

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Speaker 2: in the game in the forty five years that I've

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Speaker 2: covered are better speakers in a lot of ways than

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Speaker 2: Tom Glavin. He is so smart, he is so articulate,

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Speaker 2: he is so observant, and he explains things so beautifully.

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Speaker 2: And again he's explaining three different sports beautifully in this podcast.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait for you to listen to this.

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Speaker 1: It's coming up Tom Glavin on is this a great game?

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Speaker 3: Or what?

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Speaker 2: Our guest today is a very special one. Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame pitcher Tom Glavin, who was also the sixty ninth

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Speaker 2: overall pick in the nineteen eighty four NHL draft. We're

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Speaker 2: all over hockey this week. Tom, great to have you.

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Speaker 2: This is my son Jeff.

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Speaker 3: Wow, it's good to be with you.

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Speaker 4: Kirutcheons and looking forward to a very fun, lighthearted conversation.

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Speaker 3: Right, Tom, I understand you.

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Speaker 2: You met my oldest brother Andy, who's like a foot

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Speaker 2: taller than me. He's way more handsome than me. He

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Speaker 2: has a real adult human voice. Were you surprised to

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Speaker 2: find out that was my brother?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 4: Well, when I first heard the name, I was like,

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Speaker 4: couldn't it be? You know, because it's kind of it's

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Speaker 4: kind of like Glavin right, There's there's not many of us,

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Speaker 4: so when you hear that name, you kind of like

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Speaker 3: And sure enough it was.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, So unfortunately he invited me to play in

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Speaker 4: a tournament. I forget which one it was, and I

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Speaker 4: think I was either doing the Braves that week or

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Speaker 4: I run into them with the golf course every now

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Speaker 2: I have to say.

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Speaker 1: We went down to that very golf course over Christmas

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Speaker 1: Great course, but we played the old guys which is

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Speaker 2: Guys, which is the sun in laws and the Suns.

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Speaker 1: And we played a scramble, right, and here we are,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're young, we're spry, we're on we're trying

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Speaker 1: to put it off the deck. And Dad, how many

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Speaker 2: Well, first off, Tom, the average age of the old

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Speaker 2: guys was sixty six. The average age of the young

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Speaker 2: they were minus two. We beat by nine shots in

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Speaker 2: a scramble and work, yes, thirty years older than them

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Speaker 4: See, Jeff, when I was your age, I would have

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Speaker 4: that Centa Rosa Club is not a bomber's golf course.

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Speaker 3: If you do not put it in the.

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Speaker 4: Fair way, you are in a heap of troubles. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: short and straight is a very good game on this.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say my dad had uncle Andy, a member

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Speaker 3: And I said, we're dead, We're screwed. Yes, local knowledge

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Speaker 3: definitely helps out there.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. All right, Tom, we'll get back to golf in

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Speaker 2: a minute. We'll get to baseball too. But it's the

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Speaker 2: NHL season and we'll be the first to tell you.

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Speaker 2: Jeff and I don't know anything about hockey, but I

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Just let's start with Alex Ovechkin. Tom, you were a

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Speaker 2: great player. You were a center, you were a scorer.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, obviously he's a guy with a ton

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Speaker 4: It always depended on what season I was in.

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Speaker 4: But I think, honestly, I probably had a little bit

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Speaker 4: So that was my goal. Now fast forward to the SAT.

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Speaker 2: It was a lot Tom We asked a lot of

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Speaker 2: Five years ago. John, I know you don't remember this.

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Speaker 3: At the moment.

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Speaker 2: No, because John is the most competitive person you've ever met.

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Speaker 4: He won John.

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Speaker 3: John'll bet on whether or not the sun's coming up

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Speaker 4: There's there's you know, he's one of those guys that

440
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Speaker 4: there if you challenge him to do something, he's going

441
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Speaker 4: to take the challenge. Because I don't think there's anything

442
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Speaker 4: that he doesn't think he can do and do it

443
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Speaker 4: do it well. And you know it's hard to argue

444
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Speaker 4: with him. He's, you know, obviously great at a lot

445
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 4: of things. So yeah, I'm not if that was the

446
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 4: most important thing to John at the moment that I'm not.

447
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 4: I'm not the least bit surprised that it then became

448
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Speaker 4: the most important thing to any somebody else at the

449
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Speaker 4: moment too.

450
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Speaker 3: So you had to go find the answer, right, So

451
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 3: I did. So.

452
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Speaker 2: The other answer is that since he went to the bullpen,

453
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 2: you went on to have the most walks one hundred

454
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Speaker 2: and one of any pitcher at least since nineteen eighty.

455
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Speaker 2: And it's really not even close. So explain John right

456
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Speaker 2: your way ahead of smoke, make sure you remind him

457
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Speaker 2: of that. But Tom, one hundred and one walks, I mean,

458
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 2: this was what made that Braves pitching staff so great.

459
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 2: Smoltz and the others.

460
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 3: You hit your position, you fielded your position.

461
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 2: And you walked a hundred and one times. What was

462
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Speaker 2: your thinking as a hitter that I got to get

463
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Speaker 2: on base here?

464
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, Tim, back in those days, strikeouts did matter,

465
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Speaker 4: so you know, we were trying not to strike out

466
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 4: but you know, I think it was just a kind

467
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 4: of a mindset that we had, right, I mean, I

468
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 4: think our our goal obviously was, you know, we have

469
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 4: to be able to lay down a bun. Right that

470
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 4: was the most important thing you had to do as

471
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Speaker 4: a starting pitcher with a bat in your head. And

472
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Speaker 4: I think that was something we all worked tremendously hard at.

473
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 4: You know, we had to give a lot of credit

474
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Speaker 4: back in those days.

475
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Speaker 3: To the to the late great Jimmy Williams.

476
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Speaker 4: He spent so much time with all of us in

477
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 4: the batting cage, like it was it was pretty mandatory

478
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Speaker 4: that you know. It got to the point where Bobby

479
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 4: really created an extra group of batting practice for the

480
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Speaker 4: pictures because he, you know, he Bobby was so different

481
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Speaker 4: than any other manager when it came to how he

482
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 4: treated pitchers like he had a general liking of pictures,

483
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 4: whereas so many other managers detested pitchers. So Bobby did

484
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 4: everything he could to make us better, to protect us,

485
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 4: to do all those things, and he knew much how

486
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 4: much we enjoy getting So we hit batting practice every day,

487
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,959
Speaker 4: and then Jimmy would take us in the cage twice

488
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 4: in between starts and we would work on bunting, we

489
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 4: would work on count contact, all those things. So I

490
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 4: think it got to the point where we actually felt

491
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Speaker 4: pretty good about what we were doing and we took

492
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Speaker 4: some pride in it. But you know, like I said,

493
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Speaker 4: first and foremost, you have to be able to lay

494
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Speaker 4: down a bunt.

495
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Speaker 3: There's no excuse for.

496
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Speaker 2: That, right I know.

497
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Speaker 4: I always felt like, Okay, I'm gonna get Bobby one

498
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 4: hundred and one reasons to take me out of a

499
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Speaker 4: game because of the way I'm pitching.

500
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Speaker 3: I'll be damned if he's taking me out.

501
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Speaker 4: Of the seventh inning of a tie game with a

502
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Speaker 4: runner on first because I can't lay do a butt.

503
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Speaker 3: So that was just not going to be part of

504
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Speaker 3: the equation. But beyond that, I think it was if

505
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Speaker 3: we got some hits, that was great.

506
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Speaker 4: But I think we we just didn't want to be

507
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 4: an automatic out, like we wanted to make that opposing

508
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 4: pitcher have to work a little bit to get us out.

509
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 3: So I know that was my philosophy. And listen, I.

510
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 4: Was more of a slap hitter obviously, so it was

511
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 4: a little bit easier for me to kind of wait

512
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 4: a little bit and see where a pitch was and

513
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 4: maybe slap it and play or foul it off or

514
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, but I think more than editing

515
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 4: out also, it was just I think the three of us,

516
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 4: not surprisingly to anybody, were just really proud of every

517
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 4: aspect of our game, and we worked hard to be

518
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 4: good at it.

519
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Speaker 2: Tom, you hit one career home run. Do you remember

520
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: who was off and you remember the whole situation?

521
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 3: I do. Yeah, it was a tie game. John Smiley

522
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 3: was on the mound.

523
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 4: I took him opposite field at Fulton County Stadium. So

524
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Speaker 4: I didn't really get a chance to enjoy all of

525
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 4: it because I was when I hit it, I knew

526
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 4: I hit it good, it.

527
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 3: Was going to be a double, so I was sprinting

528
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Speaker 3: to get the second base.

529
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Speaker 4: I was not blessed with the greatest of put speed,

530
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Speaker 4: so I was running hard to get the second base.

531
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Speaker 4: And then I remember looking up and I was like,

532
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 4: oh my god, that went over the fence.

533
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: So I kind of had to try to break it

534
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 3: down a little bit, but I didn't. I kind of

535
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 3: had more of the Scott rolling home run trot.

536
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 4: I was around the bases before I knew it, and

537
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 4: you know, everything was great and exciting, and I remember

538
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 4: everybody's high five in me and I'm enjoying it. And

539
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 4: I remember at some point in time I sat down

540
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 4: on the bench and I was like, oh crap, that's

541
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 4: a two to one game.

542
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 3: I gotta go back out and pitch.

543
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 4: So I kind of had to check myself a little

544
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 4: bit and check my emotions and kind of get back

545
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 4: into pitching mode.

546
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Speaker 3: So I didn't have I didn't have a ton of

547
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 3: chance to enjoy it, but it was it was pretty cool.

548
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you pitched eight innings, only giving up one run

549
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: in that game, and ultimately it was a walk off win,

550
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: two to one, so your home run tied the game.

551
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Speaker 4: And I listen.

552
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: I never want to blame official scorers, but I think

553
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: Tom Glavin deserves the win in that game. He pitches

554
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: eight innings, gives up only one run, it's a home

555
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: run to tie the game in the sixth inning, and

556
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: doesn't even get to win. I don't know if I

557
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: can protest this many years later, thirty years later, but

558
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: maybe I'll try.

559
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what else are you're supposed to do?

560
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, just out of you know, just

561
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 3: out of niceness. I guess that should have given me

562
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 3: the way, Yes, right, Tom.

563
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: You brought up Bobby Cox, how great he was to

564
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 2: the pitchers, He was even better to the position players.

565
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Speaker 2: Are you aware of the story that Jeff frank Wor

566
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: told us on this podcast last year when Frenchy got

567
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 2: to play golf with Tiger Woods for the first time.

568
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Speaker 2: Do you know that story?

569
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Speaker 3: I think so you have to remind me because I

570
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 3: think Jeff might have told it.

571
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell it real quickly. So French he's got

572
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 2: a chance to play with Tiger Woods. French he's twenty

573
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: two years old. Bobby sees him before the game, stretching

574
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: and says, I understand, you have a plan chance to

575
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: play with Tiger today, and Frenchie goes, yeah, he goes,

576
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to go play. I need to

577
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: stay here and play baseball. And Bobby says, I'll make

578
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: a deal with you if you go to Brandon in

579
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 2: three days where Chipper and all those.

580
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: Guys hate to go.

581
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: Uh, just just we'll let you back one time, run

582
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: through first base, pretend that you hurt something. We'll get

583
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: you out of the game, and you can go play

584
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: with Tiger Woods, which is exactly what happened. And he

585
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: played twenty seven with Tiger, and then, as Frenchie told us,

586
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: at four point thirty in the afternoon, Frenchie's wife calls

587
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: him and says, there's something on the wire that you

588
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: have a high ankle sprame when he faked the whole

589
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: thing because Bobby allowed him. But Tom, that's what That's

590
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 2: why Bobby was such a great manager because of stories

591
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: like that. Am I right?

592
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 3: No, That's what made him so great. And I mean,

593
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: you know there's so many of those stories.

594
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 4: I know there was, you know, Smulti's probably told you

595
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 4: want two where you know, Tiger called him and said, hey,

596
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 4: I want to go play a couple of practice rounds

597
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 4: and Augusta to get ready for get ready for the tournament.

598
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: If you can come with me and play it. He's like, Tiger,

599
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: I'm in spring training. He's not gonna let me leave

600
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 4: for a day. And then he said, well let me

601
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 4: ask him.

602
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: Sure enough, Bobby let him go. You know.

603
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 4: So I think they practiced in the morning clue to

604
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 4: Augusta with Tiger that afternoon, played played the next morning.

605
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 3: It was back in practice the day later. So I mean,

606
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: you know Bobby was that way.

607
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, we would go on when we would

608
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 4: go on road trips, you know, I mean the first

609
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 4: thing every one of us did was.

610
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 3: Pack our golf clubs and then we packed our clothes.

611
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 4: And every single day on the road, you'd come in

612
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: and the first one there would be Bobby's like, where'd

613
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 4: you guys play today?

614
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: You know, how was the course? Who played? Who played,

615
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: who won the money? Who did that? I mean, he

616
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: just you know, he was he was such a fan

617
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 3: of everything that we did.

618
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Speaker 4: But I think he understood, at least for us, that

619
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Speaker 4: what what a release it was for us from the game, right.

620
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I don't think people understand sometimes the

621
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Speaker 4: grind of a baseball season. I mean, it's a long

622
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 4: year when you talk about starting in February and you

623
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 4: go to October and there's so many ups and downs

624
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 4: personally with what you're doing, and the psychology that goes

625
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 4: along with that, the injuries that come up and what

626
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 4: have you.

627
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: I think every one of us will tell you. I

628
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: don't know how many.

629
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: I don't know if I can quantify the number, but

630
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 4: there's no question that added to the longevity of our careers.

631
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: No question about it, Because it got us out of

632
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: the hotel room.

633
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: You know, I loved playing golf the day after I

634
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 4: pitch good or bad, because you know, no matter how

635
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: I felt physically, I always felt.

636
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: Better after I got done playing golf. I felt looser.

637
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 4: There were days where I would wake up and think,

638
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 4: oh my god, my shoulders killing or my elbows killing,

639
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 4: something hurts.

640
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: And then you get done, You're like, yeah, I don't

641
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: feel so bad. You know, it added so much.

642
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: But I think at the end of the day, Bobby,

643
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: Bobby knew he could trust us. He knew that us

644
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 4: playing golf was never going to get in the way

645
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 4: of what we had to do. And you know, in

646
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: spring training, we would I'll be at the ballpark at

647
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: six o'clock in the morning and we'd get our workout

648
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 4: in in the morning and do what we had to

649
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: do before we went on the field, and then we'd

650
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 4: go practice.

651
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: And when practice is over, we were gone.

652
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: We went to the golf course and it was you know,

653
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: twenty seven holes at least every day in spring training.

654
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: So you know, it was it was a big part

655
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Speaker 3: of what we did.

656
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: It was a big part of our hour of the

657
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 4: three of us, our camaraderie and you know, as much

658
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 4: as you say, well, it kind of gets you away

659
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 4: from baseball.

660
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: I'm gott to say at least fifty percent of our

661
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: conversations on the golf course were.

662
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 4: About baseball rather who we just played or who were

663
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 4: getting ready to play, or egg doggy, how do you

664
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 4: get this guy out?

665
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: Or you know, what do you guys think about me

666
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: pitching against this guy like that?

667
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 4: I mean, it was inevitably we talked baseball, so we

668
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: didn't get completely away.

669
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: From it, but you know it was a good outlook

670
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: for us. But yeah, imagine Bobby was so Bobby was

671
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: so good.

672
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, he I can't sit here and tell

673
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 4: you that anybody in uniform in the dugout on any

674
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 4: given night cared about winning anymore than Bobby did.

675
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: I mean, he just did. And you know everybody knew

676
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: he was going to fight tooth and nail.

677
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 4: You know, one of my favorite stories I tell it

678
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 4: all the time was, you know, we we convinced Bobby

679
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 4: that there were so many things that we needed to

680
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 4: do as pictures because it was.

681
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: Better for us, and he just went along with it.

682
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 4: You know. One of the back in those days, you know,

683
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 4: we used to keep the pitching chart, and so the

684
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 4: next day starting pitcher would keep score of the game

685
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: and he'd write down every pitch and the outcome and

686
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: all that stuff. And it was generally for the for

687
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 4: the pitching coach to count pitches and track pitches and

688
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 4: all that stuff.

689
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: That everything they did manually back in those days. It's

690
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: all it's all automated and digital nowadays.

691
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: But anyway, we convinced Bobby that it would be much

692
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: easier for us starting pitchers to stay in the clubhouse

693
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 4: and watch the game on the TV and chart the

694
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 4: pitches because you can see location better. It's hard to

695
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 4: see from the dugout. So it wasn't completely a lie,

696
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 4: but it was more so that we could just sit

697
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: in the clubhouse and sit in our underwear and maybe

698
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 4: order a pizza and watch the game. And you know,

699
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 4: if we had to get dressed to pinch it or

700
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: pinch on and we could do it, but generally we're

701
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: just kind of kicking back because tomorrow's our next day

702
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 4: to pitch.

703
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: So anyway, Maddox was doing the chart.

704
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: One night and there's a lot of bickering back and

705
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 4: forth about the umpiring and whatever.

706
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: So I went up, like in the third inning and

707
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 3: to get a cup of coffee, and I was like, hey, Doggie,

708
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: He's like, you know, I was just uppire. How's he

709
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: doing back there? He said, everybody's bitching and complaining and

710
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: I said he's like, well, he said, he's not.

711
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 4: You know. He said he's missed a few pitches here

712
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 4: and there, but he's kind of been consistent on both sides.

713
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: He's missed, you know, a couple on both sides, but

714
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: really he hasn't been that bad. I was like, okay,

715
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: sure not.

716
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: Bobby comes up right behind me to get a cup

717
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: of coffee and he says, Greg, he says, how's this

718
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 4: umpire Ben? And Doggie did not skip a beat. He said, Bobby,

719
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 4: he's terrible. He's missed so many calls.

720
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: He's missed so many costs for us, and he's going

721
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: on and on and on, and Bobby's like okay, and

722
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: he walks out. I was like, Doggie, what are you doing?

723
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: He's like what I said. You know, he's gonna go

724
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: downstairs and he's gonna get thrown out of this game.

725
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 4: You know that. I know. He went downstairs, and sure enough,

726
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 4: that next half inning there was a close pitch and

727
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 4: I'm not sure half the time Bobby was watching, because

728
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: he was always he would get there in the dugout

729
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 4: and have his readers, you know, hanging down his face

730
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: like this, looking at his lineup card, trying to think, Okay,

731
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 4: who do I have in the bullpen? What am I?

732
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 4: And he wouldn't And if somebody in the dugout said

733
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 4: something about a pitch, he would snap in. And so

734
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 4: sure enough, somebody said something about a pitch, and he

735
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 4: jumped up on the first.

736
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: Step of the dugout and you're awful, You've been terminalized.

737
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: Night long done.

738
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: Sure he got taught. He got taught. So I was like, well,

739
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: that was no surprise.

740
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: Tom As far as Maddox goes, as far as being

741
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: like the greatest pitcher most people have ever seen, have

742
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: you ever met anyone quite like Greg Maddox in your

743
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: life when it comes to analytical nature, understanding of things,

744
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 2: you know, being mischievous and everything else. Have you ever

745
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: met any one like Maddox?

746
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: No?

747
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: I haven't.

748
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: And and you know, obviously, look at one of the

749
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 4: great things about so many, so many of the guys

750
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 4: that you get a chance to play with over the

751
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 4: years is you know, you really get a sense of

752
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 4: to watch guys and see see what makes guys tick

753
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 4: and what what makes them who they are, and and

754
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: everybody can't do it the same way, right, you know.

755
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 4: I remember having a conversation one night with Smulty. I

756
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 4: pitched the game in New York, and you know, it

757
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 4: is my typical game. I don't know, seven eight innings

758
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 4: and good, you know, good results and barely look like

759
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: I've cracked a sweat. And we were driving somewhere to

760
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 4: a golf course that night to play the next day.

761
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: And he's like, clam and you drive me crazy. You

762
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: go out there. It's like you don't You're just playing cats.

763
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: You don't even break a sweat.

764
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 4: And I'm like John, I said, listen, I don't throw

765
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 4: as hard as you, but trust me, I'm working hard.

766
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: You know.

767
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: It's just I know it's not the same hard work

768
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: as you do, or doesn't look like it. But I said,

769
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: trust me, it's it's what I It's.

770
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: All I got, because I'm gonna go out there my

771
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 4: next start, I'm gonna pitch like you.

772
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna throw fast balls in there and throw

773
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: some change ups and do this. Well he did. He

774
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: tried it and he can kill me, and you know,

775
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: and he's like, Okay, that didn't work. And you know,

776
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: I've had the same thing, you know.

777
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 4: I mean I played with Pedro in New York and

778
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 4: I was so envious of how he was able to

779
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 4: go out there and just pitch like he was pitching

780
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: in a men's league game on a Sunday afternoon and

781
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 4: just had the greatest time and was laughing and cutting

782
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: up and doing this and doing that. And it's just

783
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: I was like, I can't do that, you know, I

784
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: mean I can't. I can't pitch that way. And you know,

785
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: I think Greg was the same way. You know, he

786
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: he had his things about him, but he was he

787
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 4: was so smart about what was going on during the

788
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 4: course of the game, and he was so smart.

789
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 3: About how he was going to attack a lineup.

790
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 4: I think sometimes he would like to give you the

791
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: impression that he didn't really know what is thats were

792
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 4: what he needed to do to do this or do that.

793
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 4: He knew exactly what he needed to do to achieve

794
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: certain things. But you know, I think that was on

795
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 4: the lighter side of it. I mean, he was he

796
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 4: was really you know, when I first got to the

797
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: big leagues. You know, I was around some older guys

798
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: and probably the probably the one of the smartest guys

799
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: I was ever around even throughout my.

800
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: Career was Teddy Simmons.

801
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: Uh.

802
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: And to sit to sit down with Teddy and talk

803
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 4: about pitching and how to go about getting out hitters

804
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 4: was was something special.

805
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: And Greg Greg was along.

806
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 4: Those lines too, you know when he came over to

807
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 4: play with us at that stage of the game.

808
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: You know, my game, my game plan was not very complicated.

809
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 4: I knew what I did, and I knew what I

810
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 4: was good at, and that was the foundation, and I

811
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 4: didn't make a ton of adjustments during the course of

812
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 4: the game. And you know, it was really then that

813
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 4: Greg came over and we would start having conversations during

814
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 4: the game and he'd be like, see.

815
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: How that hitter took that pitch?

816
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 4: Man, you got he would have so much more room

817
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 4: to throw that pitch inside, or he followed that pitch

818
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 4: off and it was six inches off the plate.

819
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: He can't do that. He can't be able to do that.

820
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 3: He's got to pitch him inside.

821
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 4: And it really started to open my eyes to where, Okay, well, yeah,

822
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 4: maybe I should pay attention.

823
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: To how it hit her, looks at a pitcher, how

824
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: a pitcher, how a hit her?

825
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 4: Follows a pitch off, And you know, I was really

826
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: the first time I started thinking that way.

827
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: But you know, he was so good at it.

828
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 4: He was so good at dissecting the hitter and just

829
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: knowing what guys were trying to do and what he

830
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 4: was going to do to them, and that whole cat

831
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 4: and mouse game.

832
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: But yeah, he was. He was super smart, but also

833
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: extremely sick. What made him the moun.

834
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: Tell him that to that end, Jeff Leo Mazzoni once

835
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: told me that Maddox came in after eating and said,

836
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: how many pitches have I thrown so far? Leo looks

837
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: and says eighty three, and Maddox goes eighty four.

838
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: Like he knew, Tom, that's him, right, that's one hundred

839
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: percent him. Yeah, that's Leo too.

840
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 4: Leo was le was not not against missing a few

841
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 4: pitches on the pitch on the little clicker every now

842
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: and then.

843
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I'm like, Leo, how many and end?

844
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: I mean, like, you got like eighty five and I'm like, byes,

845
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 4: I've thrown at least an.

846
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: So he was he was not above doing that every.

847
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: Now, Tom, one of my favorite things I've ever seen,

848
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: and you saw it when Maddox dressed up as the

849
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 2: camera guy and then ended up throwing BP to Chris Briant.

850
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: It's one of the greatest things I've ever seen.

851
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: Do you agree with that one hundred percent? I mean,

852
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 3: if you if you haven't seen it, you need to

853
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: go look at it. And I think it speaks to

854
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: it speaks to to how how Greg is right that

855
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: he's was so willing to do that and and you know,

856
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: just able to go out there on a wain and

857
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: do what he did. I mean, it was. It was

858
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 3: one of the best pranks of all time, no question.

859
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: You know what we're talking over here, Oh it was.

860
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: And Brian kept saying, you know, the camera guys got

861
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: good stuff.

862
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, at one point say is this camera guy's got

863
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 3: a pretty good pressible? Oh it's great.

864
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: It's up there with the Kyrie Irving Uncle Drew. You know,

865
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: those kind of sketches are so good. Now, Tom, speaking

866
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: of Greg Maddox and Bobby Cox, all three of you

867
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: inducted into the Hall of Fame in the same year,

868
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: So Neat, I love looking at Hall of Fame classes

869
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: as they go in together. John Smoltz obviously joined you

870
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: the next year. For you guys, did you Probably not

871
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: that weekend because you're so busy, But were you able

872
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: to kind of reunite those golf days in Cooperstown at

873
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: some point as Hall of famers?

874
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have more so now you know.

875
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: That year that you go in, it's crazy. Yeah, you know,

876
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: it's almost it's almost like.

877
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 4: Your your your wedding weekend, right. I mean that's the

878
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: magnitude of the party you're planning, and you know, between

879
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 4: guest lists and getting housing for everybody and doing all

880
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 4: that stuff, it's a pretty stressful time. And then when

881
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 4: you get there you kind of hit the ground run

882
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 4: and doing stuff and you know, obligations as as an inductee,

883
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 4: and then your family's there so you're trying to get

884
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 4: to go see all of them.

885
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: So it's a crazy, crazy weekend. But you know, I

886
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: think the.

887
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 4: Same everybody everybody there said the same thing. You know,

888
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 4: enjoy this weekend, get through this weekend. When you come

889
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 4: back after this weekend, it's way more fun. And it's

890
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 4: true because you're not the guy. You're nice and relaxed.

891
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 4: You don't have a ton of commitments, so you know

892
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 4: these subsequent yet years, Yeah, we play a ton of golf.

893
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 4: We usually all get in there, you know, at least

894
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 4: on Wednesday, if not Thursday, and you know, we'll play

895
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 4: golf Friday, Saturday, we play golf the morning of induction.

896
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: And I mean, it's just it's just a great weekend.

897
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 4: And you know, you talk about one of the greatest

898
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 4: fraternities of all time to be a part of.

899
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I still go there at times

900
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 3: and we'll.

901
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 4: You know, see somebody that was the generation before me

902
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 4: that I watched on TV, and it's still hard for

903
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 4: me to put myself there with those guys. You know,

904
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 4: it's it's I don't want to say it's easy, because

905
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 4: you never thought you were going to be there in

906
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 4: the first place. But it's a little bit easier to

907
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: put yourself, uh and and in Cooper's Town with your contemporaries.

908
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 4: But when you start looking at guys that you watched

909
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 4: on TV or or guys even before that.

910
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 3: And you walk through, you know, the plat room and

911
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: you're looking at you.

912
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 4: Know, Tim and Babe Ruth and all these guys, I mean,

913
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 4: it's just it's just unbelievable.

914
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: To be in there and be a part of all

915
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 3: those conversations.

916
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: Tom is there, Who is that one Hall of famer

917
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: that when you finally got a chance to meet them

918
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: face to face, you were almost too stunned to speak.

919
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: You just you acted like the rest of us. There

920
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: were probably a couple I you know, hearing all the stories.

921
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I was a little intimidated when

922
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: I met Bob Gibson.

923
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 4: You know, you don't know if he's gonna want to

924
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 4: fight you, right, But I'd say that kidding lely, Bob was.

925
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 4: He ended up being just a sweet, gentleman of a guy,

926
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, just a super nice guy. Not

927
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: the persona you would expect whatsoever from what you saw

928
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: on the baseball field.

929
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 3: But you know, I don't know.

930
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 4: I mean growing up in Boston, uh, you know, first

931
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 4: time I went up there and met Carlton Fist, I

932
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 4: was pretty cool.

933
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: Although I think my wife was more excited about that

934
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: than I was. But he was great to me.

935
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 4: But you know, Johnny Bench, like Johnny Bench is the

936
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 4: unofficial ambassador for the weekend, Like he's the guy that

937
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 4: you know, really takes the time to come around and

938
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 4: see you and takes a ton of pictures of you

939
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: and your family and everybody that's there, and he's the

940
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 4: guy that you know before you take the Hall of

941
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 4: Fame picture and have the Hall of Fame dinner after everything,

942
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 4: he sits you down in the rock and chair on

943
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: the back deck. He kind of has the conversation with

944
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 4: you about what it means to be a Hall of

945
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 4: Famer and all that stuff. So you know, there's look,

946
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean, I can't put my finger

947
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: on one guy, but you know, it's it's it's a

948
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 4: pretty pretty cool and I know that's a lame way

949
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 4: to explain it, but it's just a really cool thing

950
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 4: to be a part of and see all those great

951
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 4: players in one place and have some of the conversations.

952
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: You end up at it.

953
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: All right, Tom, all right, we could keep you for hours.

954
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you one more question. And this is

955
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: important because it drives me crazy when we specialize with

956
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: our kids today and we're telling a ten year old

957
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: you're only gonna.

958
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: Play baseball like for the rest of your life.

959
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: How much did hockey make you a better baseball player?

960
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: And how much did baseball make you a better hockey player.

961
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 4: I would say, it's hard to quantify, but a lot,

962
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, I think in general, it just

963
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 4: made me a better athlete, you know. And I think,

964
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 4: to me, that's like, that's the one thing I look

965
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 4: at so much in today's game, where you know, guys

966
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 4: are bigger and faster and stronger in all those things.

967
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: But I'm not sure sure that there are any better

968
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 4: athletes than the guys that I played with, right, Like,

969
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know how many guys in a

970
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 4: major league rotation now hit thurd or fourth in their

971
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 4: high school lineups, played another position, played another sport at

972
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 4: a high level. You know. It's the generation that particularly

973
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: with pitchers of you know, pitcher only that's all these

974
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: guys are doing. You know, I can't tell you how

975
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 4: much playing baseball and playing another position and hitting helped

976
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 4: me with my pitching, because it's another perspective on Oh,

977
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: this is what this guy's trying to do to me,

978
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 4: And you can't help but think, well, what if I

979
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 4: try to do that to somebody?

980
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 3: How would you know? What if I incorporated that?

981
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 4: I mean, you just see it differently, you know, So,

982
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm I am It's funny to me because

983
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 4: if you if you go to I guarantee you, I know,

984
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: it's probably close to ninety nine or one hundred percent

985
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 4: in baseball.

986
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: I don't know how it is with other sports.

987
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 4: But if you go around and ask any professional baseball player, hey,

988
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 4: are you on board with having your kid play, you know,

989
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: one sport only at the age of ten, that I'll

990
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 4: tell you no, you're crazy. Yet that's what everybody else does,

991
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 4: you know, And it just drives me nuts. And I

992
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 4: think that, you know, look, I think there's a time,

993
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: you know that that you have to do. Particularly like

994
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 4: for me up North, it wasn't.

995
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 3: It was never an.

996
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 4: Issue because hockey and baseball only had when I got

997
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 4: to high school. It was maybe a week overlap. And

998
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: that was only because we my junior and senior year,

999
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 4: we got deep enough into the state tournament that baseball

1000
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 4: and hockey baseball had already started. So you know, like

1001
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 4: that first week or two of baseball, I would go

1002
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 4: to the gym during a study hall or my lunch

1003
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 4: lunch period and I would throw bullpens. And that's how

1004
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: I got ready for baseball season, you know. And then

1005
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 4: when hockey was over, I was on the baseball field

1006
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: the next day, so there wasn't a ton of overlap.

1007
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 3: I can see it.

1008
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: In the South, it's a little bit harder, particularly if

1009
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 4: kids are playing football and baseball, because you know, we

1010
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 4: all know how football coaches can be that, you know,

1011
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: the only thing that matters in life is football, So

1012
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 4: that can get a little bit difficult.

1013
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: But I am just such a huge believer, particularly.

1014
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 4: At a young age, let let kids experience every sport

1015
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 4: that they can. You know, if you get a kid

1016
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 4: that just doesn't like anything else and he only wants

1017
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 4: to play one sport, okay, that's one thing, But you

1018
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 4: know this notion that you're forcing your kid or your

1019
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 4: kids being forced to play year round because like I've

1020
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 4: said so often, you know, somebody's telling you that, hey,

1021
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 4: if Johnny's not playing year round, Joey down the end

1022
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 4: of the street is and he's going to get better

1023
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 4: than your boy, and you know you need to do

1024
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 4: something about it.

1025
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: Like what parent's not going to do something about it, right?

1026
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 4: I mean, And I think that's part of the problem

1027
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 4: is so many of these sports coaches organizations feed on

1028
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 4: the emotions of the parent, and every parent wants to

1029
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 4: give their kids best opportunity, right, and most parents don't

1030
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 4: know enough.

1031
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 3: To say, well, no, my kid's not gonna do that,

1032
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 3: He's going to play other sports. I just I just

1033
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: think it's.

1034
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 4: Become a completely unfortunate situation. But at the end of

1035
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 4: the day, I just think we're raising a lot of

1036
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 4: sports specific athletes, but not overall good athletes.

1037
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: Right, Tom, I gotta follow up on this about throwing

1038
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: a bullpen during your lunchtime. You and Maddox and the

1039
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 2: rest of your guys threw a bullpen in between starts

1040
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 2: every time, and you guys never, you and Maddox especially

1041
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: never got hurt. That cannot be a coincidence, correct.

1042
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it is. Listen.

1043
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 4: I always equated it with, uh, listen, if you're if

1044
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 4: you're a marathon you're a marathon runner.

1045
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: You're trained by running, right, that's what you do.

1046
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 4: And I think as a pitcher, more times than not,

1047
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 4: guys get hurt because they don't throw anop or they

1048
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 4: throw in properly, right. I mean I had two instances

1049
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 4: in my career when I first signed and I went

1050
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 4: and played with the Braves.

1051
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 3: Was I was in a sorry little dog.

1052
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 4: I got into a road, you know, I got into rotation,

1053
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 4: and in high school I didn't throw bullpens. You know,

1054
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 4: I pitched and I played center field, so I never

1055
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 4: threw a bullpen. And when I went to play pro ball, now,

1056
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: all of a.

1057
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: Sudden, I'm pitching every five days and I wasn't conditioned

1058
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 3: to do it, and my arm hurt.

1059
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 4: And I remember going to my manager down there and

1060
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 4: rook the ball and I was like, Hey, something's wrong

1061
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 4: with my arm.

1062
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 3: My arm hurts.

1063
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 4: We need to do something out and I remember him saying,

1064
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 4: hang tight, let me make a phone call. And he

1065
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 4: came to me the next day and he said, Okay,

1066
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 4: Johnny Sayn's coming down and he's gonna work.

1067
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 3: With you for the next ten days. I was like, okay.

1068
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: I knew who Johnny Seen was, but I didn't know

1069
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 4: much about Johnny Seen. And I remember Johnny came down.

1070
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 4: He said, Okay, your arm hurts. Here's what we're gonna do.

1071
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 4: We're gonna throw every day for ten days, and then

1072
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 4: after ten days.

1073
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: We're going to see where you're at.

1074
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: And I was like, what, my arm hurt?

1075
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: Right?

1076
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: So I did.

1077
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 4: I played catch every day for ten days, mixed in

1078
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 4: some long toss and at the end of ten days,

1079
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 4: I got on the mount and I threw a bullpen,

1080
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 4: and then after that I never skipped a beat the

1081
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 4: rest of that season.

1082
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: I was fine.

1083
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: And when Leo, when Bobby came to the big leagues

1084
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 4: to manage and he brought Leo as our pitching coach.

1085
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 4: I remember that was one of the first conversations I

1086
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 4: now with Leo. He said, Okay, we're gonna throw more.

1087
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: We're gonna throw twice in between stars. I was like, Leo,

1088
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 4: my arm's killing me, you know, because I was kind

1089
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 4: of on that standard. You throw, you take a day off,

1090
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 4: you throw a marathon bullpen, you take two days off,

1091
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 4: and then you go pitch.

1092
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: And you know, looking back at it, it was like, well, no,

1093
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: wonder my arm hurt.

1094
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 4: I would throw one hundred pitches, take a day off,

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00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 4: I'd probably throw seventy in a bullpen, take two days off,

1096
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 4: and pitch. I never gave myself any recovery time, right,

1097
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 4: And I think the greatest thing about there were a

1098
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 4: couple of things that were really good about it.

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00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: I think that first and foremost, getting on the mound more.

1100
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 4: Often is where I learned my mechanics, and I really

1101
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 4: learned how to repeat my mechanics, you know, to the

1102
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: point where I could become my own pitching coach, you know.

1103
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 4: And that's one thing I always try to tell kids

1104
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 4: that are that are pitching when they asked me about it,

1105
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 4: you know, pitching or advice or wherever. I'm like, listen,

1106
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 4: the sooner you can learn your mechanics and become your

1107
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 4: own coach, the better off you're going to be. And

1108
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: once I learned how to do that, that's when I

1109
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 4: really started to take off because I can make adjustments

1110
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 4: from hitter to hitter. I didn't, you know, if I

1111
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 4: was waiting for Leo to come out and tell me

1112
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 4: what I was doing wrong, usually it was these faces were.

1113
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: Loaded, nobody out. It was like, well maybe I should

1114
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: win this, you know. So you know, I learned, I

1115
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: learned how to.

1116
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 4: Do that, But I think what it really taught me

1117
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: how to do was how to pitch, you know, because

1118
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 4: I maintain and I still say it with watching today's game,

1119
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 4: when you go out there on the mound and you're

1120
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 4: jacked up and you're a journal is going and you're

1121
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 4: pitching at ninety five hundred percent effort level, it's it's

1122
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: easy to make the ball, do what you.

1123
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 3: Want to, right.

1124
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 4: But in those bullpens where we had to regulate our

1125
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 4: effort because if you're gonna throw twice in between starts,

1126
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 4: you have to watch A how hard you're throwing and

1127
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 4: b how many pitches you're throwing. You know, when you're

1128
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 4: over there throwing a bullpen at sixty five percent effort level,

1129
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 4: and you could still make your sink or sink and

1130
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 4: make your change up sink, and make your curveball curve

1131
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 4: and spin them ball the way you want to at

1132
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: that effort level. God, it was so much easier once

1133
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 4: you got into a game to do that, you know.

1134
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 4: But that's where we learned what we called feel in touch.

1135
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 4: Like I learned how to have some feel and some

1136
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 4: touch on my pitches so that when I get in

1137
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 4: a game it was a lot easier to do. But

1138
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 4: like I said, I think the most important thing was

1139
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 4: you had to regulate. You had to regulate your effort,

1140
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 4: and you had to regulate what you were going to

1141
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 4: try and do. I mean there were many times where

1142
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 4: you know, I walked over there in a bullpen, I'm thinking, Okay,

1143
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 4: I'm going to.

1144
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 3: Have my fastball, my change up, my curveball, my slider,

1145
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: they're all going to be great. Whatever.

1146
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 4: And after about twenty five pitches and my slider stuck,

1147
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 4: you gotta walk away because if you think you're going

1148
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 4: to get all four of them going every time you

1149
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 4: get out there, that's when you're going to get hurt.

1150
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: So you know you had to be smart about it.

1151
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 4: But I do.

1152
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 3: I really think that was a godsend for me because.

1153
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 4: It most importantly it taught me learn my mechanics and

1154
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 4: learn how to have some feel on the baseball.

1155
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: But I think it made me healthier, no question about it.

1156
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: No, Tom, you mentioned players today are stronger than ever before.

1157
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: But strength, as we all know, is relative. I don't

1158
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: think the longevity is their twenty two year career, ten

1159
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: time All Star, Hall of Fame pitcher, Like we just

1160
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: aren't seeing that as much. And this is a great

1161
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: testament to our kids who love this game, to our

1162
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: coaches who love these kids who love this game. Is

1163
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: longevity beats strength. But the game has changed so much. Dad,

1164
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: you know this better than anybody.

1165
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 3: Tom.

1166
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 2: You know this.

1167
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: I just think it's the perspective. I'm just going to

1168
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: school with learning how you made it to this great

1169
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: career and how much the game has changed. I can't

1170
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: thank you enough for your time today. This was fascinating, fascinating.

1171
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: Well listen, happy to do it. I'd be happy to

1172
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: come back anytime. I enjoy talking with you guys and

1173
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: a fun well.

1174
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tom. What's your dog's name, by the way.

1175
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: That was Brutus after the Ohio State Buck.

1176
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 4: Guys. Yes, so one of my both of my boys,

1177
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 4: we're big Ohio State fans. So Brutus is our resident

1178
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 4: tough guy.

1179
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 3: And what kind of dog is he?

1180
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 4: He is a German Shepherd's very intimidating, but I think

1181
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 4: his bark is worth in his bike, but I wouldn't

1182
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 4: tell you.

1183
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 3: To try and find out.

1184
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: Well, Tom, thank you so much for educating us about baseball,

1185
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: about golf, and especially about hockey. We're going to watch

1186
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: the game a little differently now because you educated us.

1187
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: It was so so good.

1188
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: Thanks again.

1189
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 2: We'll see you soon.

1190
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, you guys, take care all

1191
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: the best.

1192
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: Thank you to Tom Glavin. A fascinating time with him

1193
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: on is this a great game?

1194
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: Or what dad?

1195
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: You asked him? And I knew you were going to

1196
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: ask this question in my soul I knew you were

1197
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: going to ask him, if you were on skates right

1198
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: now up against an NHL goalie, how many would you score?

1199
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: He said, maybe one and pretty confident in the maybe one.

1200
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: Dad.

1201
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: Now, respectfully, you and I are terrible skaters, awful. Do

1202
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: you think you could skate from one end of the

1203
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: ice to the other without falling?

1204
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: Jeff ive only been on skates twice. It was a

1205
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: complete disaster both times. No, I could never skate from

1206
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: one end of the rink to the other. Look, I'm

1207
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: going to tell you I am one hundred percent confident

1208
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: in all things when I've got my feet on the ground.

1209
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: When you take my feet off the ground skiing, roller skating,

1210
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: ice skating, anything like that, I am completely lost.

1211
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 3: And I'm not apologizing for that. Anyone who can skate,

1212
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: to me, is a magician if you can do that.

1213
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 2: And when you play in the NHL like he could have,

1214
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 2: and like the NHL playoffs going on now, that is

1215
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: just breathtaking to watch.

1216
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: Tom Glavin a big shout out and a thank you

1217
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: for being our guest this week on is this a

1218
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: great game or what? And for all of you for listening,

1219
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: thank you. Make sure to subscribe, share with friends and family, and,

1220
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,360
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