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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Price Last and now your hosts Isaiah stand back,

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Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's It's a

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Speaker 1: offseason edition of Talking Cowboys here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com,

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Speaker 1: as always presented by Geico and well Isaiah and uh

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Speaker 1: heck my head the chopper going, you're not gonna join

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Speaker 1: still reeling for what we just talked about off air

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Speaker 1: Yes you are. You are da literally and figurative. Nah,

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Speaker 1: pleasure with us here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We

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Speaker 1: are having a ton of fun already all over the place.

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Speaker 1: I think is safe to say early in the show,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to kind of get into things really

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Speaker 1: quickly because we only have an hour, and of course,

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Speaker 1: everybody tunes into the show to hear about the Dallas Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about them Dallas Cowboys. But first

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Speaker 1: we got to talk about this virtual off season, because

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Speaker 1: today is the officials start of the virtual off season

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Speaker 1: as implemented by the NFL. At least at the moment

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Speaker 1: it's been caused, it has caused a huge divide between

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Speaker 1: the NFLPA, the players, and then also the owners in

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Speaker 1: the league. Every part of this off season is voluntary,

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Speaker 1: except for the June mini camps. But Rob, why does

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Speaker 1: this cause problems amongst the NFL? Why does it cause problems? Yeah? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's questions about whether from the player side,

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Speaker 1: whether it's really needed to have. And I think there's

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Speaker 1: different viewpoints based on how long you've been in the league.

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Speaker 1: If you're a veteran guy, you probably hate doing this

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Speaker 1: in the spring. And Isaiah, I'm sure you can speak

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Speaker 1: to this and so and part of it too is

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Speaker 1: the pandemic. Part of it is their own research on

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Speaker 1: the NFLPA side that says, look, injuries were down. We

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Speaker 1: think quality of play went up based on the Cowboys experiences.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you could say that's the case,

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Speaker 1: have to work out somewhere this spring, and we've shown

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Speaker 1: a commitment to having safe protocols in place, especially here

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Speaker 1: mitigate risk with COVID and that'll be continue to be

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Speaker 1: the case. So it just comes down to what team's

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Speaker 1: comfort level is, what players comfort level is. It is voluntary.

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Speaker 1: As you said, the Cowboys have not come out through

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Speaker 1: the NFLPA and announced anything with their players saying look,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to do this. So I think you

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Speaker 1: can expect to see probably a good amount of Cowboys

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Speaker 1: out here getting work in this spring, just like they

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Speaker 1: always do. Cowboys never announced how much, but I think

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Speaker 1: you're going to see a pretty good number, just like

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Speaker 1: they always do. Now, I want to get Isaiah's, of course,

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Speaker 1: former player opinion on this in a second, But heck,

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Speaker 1: before we get to that, we talk about these Cowboys

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Speaker 1: coming in and having that virtual off season. I mean,

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Speaker 1: of course last year being a virtual off season and

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Speaker 1: put the Cowboys behind the eight ball with a new

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Speaker 1: to kind of find a rhythm around Mike McCarthy through

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Speaker 1: little bit of an issue, right, Yeah, it absolutely should.

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Speaker 1: I was last year. You look at all of the

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Speaker 1: that was it was apparent that the off season work

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Speaker 1: I'm very uncomfortable with this topic because I think that

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Speaker 1: the players have dug in on something as it relates

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Speaker 1: And you're absolutely correct, but there's a clause in there

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Speaker 1: This year is different because guys will get together, Guys

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Speaker 1: that's admit a great point, Isaiah about where you live,

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Speaker 1: So if you don't really have a pocket full of money,

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Speaker 1: is what a good host does. He plays off of

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Speaker 1: even the dumb things that Isaiah says and turns it

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Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out very well or it doesn't

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Speaker 1: work out very well. I personally think corner is the

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Speaker 1: position that is easiest to miss on in the draft.

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Speaker 1: So as Patrick's Rutan a sure thing, Rob, I'll let

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Speaker 1: you start on this one, because I mean, there's no

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Speaker 1: such thing as a sure thing in the draft. But

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Speaker 1: Patrick Rutan is about as guy. He's got about as

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Speaker 1: high of a floor as anybody that I've seen in

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Speaker 1: the class. I agree, I mean, I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he's going to be a Pro Bowl player.

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Speaker 1: But he reminds me of a I don't know a

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Speaker 1: Terrence Newman, you know, coming out No. Three that you

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Speaker 1: feel like he's gonna play a long time. His dad

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Speaker 1: played the position in the NFL. He got as good

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Speaker 1: at coaching as you can possibly get at the college level.

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Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs played in that program and looks like he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a really good one. So I if that's

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if who's the name of the

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Speaker 1: I guess you definitely can miss on that position. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you look at the Cowboys you mentioned Mo claiborne. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they drafted guys that haven't gotten second contracts now Byron

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Speaker 1: Jones just came down to money. Um, but you know

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Speaker 1: Cheeto didn't turn out to be a Pro Bowl player,

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Speaker 1: got a second contract somewhere else. They haven't. You know,

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Speaker 1: that seventeen class didn't work out the way they wanted to.

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Speaker 1: But they also haven't spent really high picks at that

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Speaker 1: position in a long time, not since Mo claiborne I

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Speaker 1: mentioned Newman that worked out. Uh, the higher you pick,

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Speaker 1: the better the odds, So I think that's part of

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Speaker 1: And and Mo Clayborn in his defense, man, he was

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Speaker 1: just they played him out of position, man, I mean

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Speaker 1: not out of position, but out of the scheme that

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Speaker 1: tried to convert into a zone corner. It didn't mix

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Speaker 1: well with what his skill set was. Now when you

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Speaker 1: the things that I love about him is that he

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Speaker 1: can play in multiple styles of defense. And when you

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Speaker 1: just look man going looking at Dan Quinn and what

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Speaker 1: he does in his philosophy, just going back to days

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Speaker 1: I just don't feel I mean, it'd be the same

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Speaker 1: thing as saying we're not gonna take Quitty Pay out

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Speaker 1: injury luck. I mean terrible injury luck. If anything. That's

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Speaker 1: a complete bust. Sure he didn't live up to his

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Speaker 1: went into that. And if you want to throw in

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Speaker 1: I mean Byron Jones, it wasn't an early first round pick,

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Speaker 1: him back at corner and what did he do? He

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Speaker 1: excelled and now he's one of the better corners in

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Speaker 1: the league. So, Isaiah, I know you, I know where

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Speaker 1: you stand in terms of the linebackers, and you want

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Speaker 1: to go get Michael Parsons and the YadA, YadA YadA.

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Speaker 1: But what would you feel about if Patrick's retan was

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Speaker 1: the pick. Do you feel happy about that, you feel

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Speaker 1: like you're a better football team, or do you feel

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Speaker 1: like this is another Mo Clayborne situation where it's a

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Speaker 1: quote unquote can't miss guy that you might end up

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Speaker 1: missing on. Yeah, I mean not even going directly against

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Speaker 1: a pet, you know. Certain. I just I don't think

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Speaker 1: just called it. Called it. Call a spade a spade

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Speaker 1: is very especially these guys, especially right now. These receivers

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Speaker 1: that there that are being ran are made to break

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Speaker 1: So that's why nothing against any of these corners that

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Speaker 1: but they're gonna it's gonna take time. It's gonna take time,

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Speaker 1: you know. So if you go out there and you

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Speaker 1: you can't expect much from them in the first year.

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Speaker 1: You just the reality is you cannot bear let them

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Speaker 1: in terms of impact from a corner in this league

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Speaker 1: coming out coming out the draft? And that's why that's

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Speaker 1: why I lean towards the other positions in terms of

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Speaker 1: having impact right now, because the Cowboys need impact right now. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's not forfeiting your future. That's just saying what is

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Speaker 1: going to have the most most effect over our success today.

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Speaker 1: But I think if they go out there and they

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Speaker 1: get a corner, yes, they could become better. To answer

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00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: do you become a team that can just go out

639
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: there and just have two revous islands not even close?

640
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Not even close? And that takes experience, and when you're

641
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: facing guys like we're gonna be facing this year Kansas

642
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: City and teams of that nature strap up. Whoever's out

643
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: there is going to have to have their have to

644
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: bring their lunch pail. The idea of having a rookie

645
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: corner in the starting lineup with a second year corner that, yeah,

646
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't make you feel great, but but I mean

647
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: the reason why it's such a hard position to find

648
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: great players is another reason why you got to keep

649
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: keep chopping at it, because it is such an important

650
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: position to me anyway in terms of the way the

651
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: league has gone, and you can I'm with you, Isaiah

652
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: in terms of I would go pass rush first in

653
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: terms of chicken or egg, what's more important. But you've

654
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: got to have guys on the outside that can hold

655
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: their own. And I just look at the depth trip

656
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: and bring it back Jordan lewis big. I think I've

657
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: always liked Jordan's game, but I think they need to

658
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: continue to find playmakers there and I think you still

659
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: can find that at the cornerback position. I do think

660
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: it's a hard position to evaluate, like you've mentioned, Kyle,

661
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: the way the game is now, but it's not the hardest.

662
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: Quarterback is the hardest position to evaluate and the one

663
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: where you can really miss the most, especially if you're

664
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: drafting high, yeah, JT saying that it was the easiest

665
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: position to miss on. I don't necessarily agree with that,

666
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: because I think you can miss on a slew of

667
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: positions in corner is one of those. But does this

668
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: Mo claiborne pick still kind of haunt this franchise? I mean,

669
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: like we talked about it, they haven't really spent a high,

670
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: high draft pick on a corner since what was that

671
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean twelve? Yeah, so Patrick Artan was what twelve

672
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: years old? Whenever that was probably that pick was made.

673
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: So and he's about to be the pick at ten,

674
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: So heck, mu, do you still see that kind of

675
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: haunting this front office? Or is that something you have

676
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: to put in the review mirror? Yeah, that's definitely in

677
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: the review mirror. I mean you talk about his career

678
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: and where he would be right now had he stayed

679
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. So look, I really just think that

680
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: when you talk about the twenty twenty one draft, before

681
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: the whole Patrick Patrick Surtaan, Kyle Pitt's arguments started to

682
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: come up, you heard everyone talking about Christian Barmore and

683
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: needing that that guy to anchor this defensive line. We

684
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: saw what happened with you know, we were the forty

685
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: burghers and playing from behind and not being able to

686
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: be effective with our pass rush or stop to run,

687
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: and consequently that's why our secondaries suffered the way that

688
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: they did because of the time that the quarterback had.

689
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: That's why, you know, and I think all of those

690
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: things when we start breaking this down and place importance

691
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: on getting Patrick Soartan, I don't think that he's going

692
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: to be the end all be all because of all

693
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: the other draft picks that you have to be strategic about,

694
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: and so look, I don't I'm gonna be happy if

695
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: we get Patrick Soutan because I know what his skill

696
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: said is gonna be. But I also am not gonna

697
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: be happy if we don't do anything to shore up

698
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: the interior of this defense. I love it. I think

699
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: that might be my favorite scenario is if they traded

700
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: down a few picks and got bart I love that scenario.

701
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: He scares me a little bit just based off of

702
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: the motor. I mean, he's got a motor and he's

703
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: a baller, but it's a motor that only runs like

704
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: two or three plays before you have to take him out.

705
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: And then you got to put them back in. He's

706
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: not a three down lineman. And that's what scares me

707
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: a little bit with that. Now that can fit, you know,

708
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean with Tristan Hill, with Neville Gallimore, and you'd

709
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: rotate Christian Barmore in there. It could fit. It could

710
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: be just fine. But that's not what you want out

711
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: of your first round. No, that's not what I want

712
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: ont of my first round. So I think there's just

713
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: better secondary players that you could potentially go get if

714
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: he falls to you in the second at forty four.

715
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: Sure I would be ecstatic about that. Yes, you leave

716
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: it on Zerikie. He could be a three down interior

717
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. He could be your three technique and be

718
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: a BA pretty quick. I don't know if I could

719
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: say that on air the internet. He could be a

720
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: badass on air or on the field. But I just

721
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: think I think there's better choices if for that rule specifically,

722
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: I think there's a better option there. But Isaiah, I'm

723
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: gonna ask you this question because I specifically know what

724
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: you're going to answer, and I know what Robs Rebuttal

725
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: is going to be. Because I feel like this is

726
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: an argument that we've needed to have on this show

727
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 1: for quite some time. Is there really is any other

728
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: option other than corner at pick number ten, knowing where

729
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: the needs lie, knowing where the the board falls. Is

730
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: there any other option whatever it comes to a player

731
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: there on the defensive side of the football outside of

732
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: Patrick's or Tanner jac Horn. Yeah, I mean, you know

733
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: where I'm going with him. I'm going right there with

734
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: with Parsons. Yeah, and that's that's my pick. I mean, yeah,

735
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: I know all the people out there talking about Kyle Pitts.

736
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: Pitts is going to San Francisco. Let's go ahead and

737
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: say that right now. That the bed. He'll be in

738
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: San franc He'll be in San franc All right, he'll

739
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: be in San franc What are you willing the bed? Yeah?

740
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: Take him out the table and then uh and then

741
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: so yeah, so Parsons, you know what I mean? Blue

742
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: right past that Again, it's all about It's all about

743
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: the front seven. I don't care how great your secondary is.

744
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: You just heard Hecklist allude to it. If you can't

745
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: get home, it doesn't matter how many dog are vases

746
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: you have or want to be revises you have out there,

747
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: They're gonna get thrown on all day long because you're

748
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: gonna only stick a guy for so long. Right, the

749
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: average average length of a play is what four three

750
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: and a half four seconds something like that. So so

751
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: if that's so, you go past that and you can't

752
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: get home, those guys are getting open. So it doesn't

753
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: matter how good your quote unquote your corners are. That's

754
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: why you have to focus on your front seven because

755
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, what happened in Seattle, which is

756
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do plicate, right, and we're trying

757
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: to do plicate what Quinn did years ago, is the

758
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: front the front seven was McNasty as I call it. Okay,

759
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: the front seven was McNasty. And because they were McNasty,

760
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: the guys in the secondary, those four dogs were out

761
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: there able to eat because they were able to play

762
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: more aggressive. Not to say that they didn't have talent.

763
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: We all know that all those guys out there had talent,

764
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: but you don't have to be as good when your

765
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: front seven is amazing and they can get and they

766
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: apply pressure. In addition to the schemes that an amazing

767
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator can provide, it will put you in position

768
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: to make plays. You don't have to have the excellent corners.

769
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: You can have good corners and have an excellent front seven,

770
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: and now you present a problem to every single team

771
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: that decides to step in front of you. I'm watching

772
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: these highlights of Michael Parsons on Life. It's Mike Singletary. Man,

773
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy goes sideline to sideline. What I

774
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: would say, though, is he's a linebacker. He's not an

775
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: edge rusher. They use him in blitz situations. He's played

776
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage you little bit at Penn State.

777
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: If he were an edge rusher, an elite edge rush

778
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: straight off the edge, then I would be all about it.

779
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: I think at ten, I just there's not there. Just doesn't.

780
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: Like we talked about bar More, defensive tackle, defensive end,

781
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to be that big time top ten

782
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: prospect there this year. For that reason, I'm thinking position wise,

783
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: I would be more inclined to take the cornerback because

784
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: it is a Markie position. It costs a lot of

785
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: money if you if you hit on a Pro Bowl

786
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: player in the top ten, he's under contract for five years. Yep.

787
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: That's big for me. And I still think, you know,

788
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: while front seven. I'm with you there, Isaiah. I still

789
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: think you got to show up your second. The thing is,

790
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: you can talk me into any position on defense. You

791
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: literally can talk me to any position on defense. But

792
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: if it's if it makes an instant impact or if

793
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna make you better, and it just seems like corner,

794
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: the value seems to be at that position at time,

795
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: it does. Right, I hear you, I hear you, right,

796
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead. I mean Robin said, But the

797
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: thing with rob is saying that it's not gonna be

798
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: a hard to sell, a hard sell on for him

799
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: to get him. Just don't get me pis. Just don't

800
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: get me piss and I'll be happy. Give me pits

801
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: and I'll be just frying and love. I love it.

802
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm sick. Go ahead, look, man, I am sick of

803
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: seeing last year man watching quarterbacks file their fingernails and

804
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: look for their open receivers. At the same time, I

805
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: don't think not something I'm interested in saying. I think

806
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: that the whole execution of the defense was off. And

807
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: you know that's just stunting everything that we did. We

808
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: just could not get home, and we can't allow that

809
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: to be our reality in twenty twenty one. You look

810
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,479
Speaker 1: around the league and if this is a copycat league,

811
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: look at the Super Bowl champions and who they had

812
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: a linebacker and what they can do. I think that

813
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: a guy like Michael Parsons, if you just just keep

814
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: it real with yourself and look at the highlights that

815
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: you were just looking at, you see a playmaker. I

816
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: mean all the other things that people are saying about him. Okay, fine,

817
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: I'm talking about a guy in this game in the

818
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: four three what he can do for the Cowboys if

819
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: you give him, you know, the Kama Kaze mission of

820
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: getting home. He shows you that he could do that.

821
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: He did it in college, he'll do it in the pros.

822
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: So heck, did you just say a guy in the

823
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: four to three who just happens to run of forty three?

824
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that? What I see? How that was?

825
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: You said that? You said I did that? Right there?

826
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: Listen here, Rock, Yes, I don't disagree you need a secondary,

827
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: but be real with yourself. Right since we're talking about

828
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: keep it in one hunting right on this Monday, we

829
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: don't have to keep it real Fridays right now, we

830
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: gotta keep it real mondays. If you say it with

831
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: your chests, say with your chest. If you're in Kansas City,

832
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: you're coming in here. If you're a Green Bay, you're

833
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: coming here. I don't care who it is. Are you

834
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: afraid of digs in certain if I'm I'm not afraid

835
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: of anything much. No, No, not afraid of it. I

836
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: don't care what team you're, what team walks in here,

837
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: or what team you go with. Play. You're not afraid

838
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: of those two's guys, No disrespect, good good players. You're

839
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: not afraid of corners. There's very few corners in this

840
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: league that have ever been that guy that you's like,

841
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: I just can't throw that way. Very few, very few

842
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: that we can name it an entire hissing Yeah, very

843
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: very few guys that you just say, guess what, that

844
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: side of the field's walled off. I'm just not going

845
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: over there, right. Everybody else They got to show me, right.

846
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: But there's plenty of defenses that we can name in history.

847
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: Or you're like, crap, I'm not fooling with these boys.

848
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: Front seven. We gotta get the ball out, we gotta

849
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: get the ball out. Quit because guess what. Either the

850
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: de line is gonna get home or guess what the

851
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: d line is gonna consume the office of linement and

852
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: the linebackers there they're running with their hair with their

853
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: hair on fire, and they can shoot the gap or

854
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: like you just said, they can run sideline the sideline.

855
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: Oh and they're all six four oh and they got

856
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: long arms. Come on, man, these dudes can cover the

857
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: entire second level and office A line not be able

858
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: to work up to them. You can't account for linebackers.

859
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: You can account for deep as alignment. If you have

860
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: an amazing defensive end, I can chip on you all

861
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: day long. I can said another tight end over there too,

862
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: you I can, I can. I can neutralize you as

863
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: a deep as alignment. If you're a cornerback, I can

864
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: run hot routes. I can run screens over there, I

865
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: can run squat slants. One step now is making I

866
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: can neutral I can neutralize you linebackers. You can't neutralize linebackers.

867
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: So when you have three hungry young dogs out there

868
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: that can run around, they have good size on them,

869
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: six three six four two hundred forty two hundred forty

870
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: five pounds and they can run all three of them.

871
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: Okayess what you become dangerous. I completely agree with what

872
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: you're saying. In the foundations of football, having a good

873
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: front seven is better than having a bad front seven.

874
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: I completely agree. But you also you brought up to

875
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You brought up how they built

876
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: their team, right, Yeah, that front seven is just nasty.

877
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: I mean they are just doggone impressive. Sure, how many

878
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: of those guys did they select? And where did they

879
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: select those guys? And where is the contract value kind

880
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: of allocated throughout there? The highest paid corner on their team,

881
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: by the way, right this second is their twenty first

882
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: highest played player on their team. You know why because

883
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: they're starting three corners were all drafted in the last

884
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: three years, and they were all drafted in the first

885
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: or the second day. So I think overall, you're talking

886
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: about premium picks that give you cheap contracts at a

887
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: premium position like cornerback, that allow you to be free

888
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: to make additions elsewhere where. You're able to go and

889
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 1: go and get an edge rusher that's established, You're able

890
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: to go get a defensive tackle that's established. Sure, the

891
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: Cowboys haven't proved to any of us that that's a

892
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: possible thing, because they want to go find these bargains.

893
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: That's the frustrating thing. But the way that things have

894
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: kind of turned out for Tampa Bay, and if you're

895
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: going to compare the Cowboys to Tampa Bay, look at

896
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: where they're drafting these players and looked at where they're

897
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: getting at. Sure, they've spent high end picks on edge

898
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: rushers in the past. Sure they've done that with guys

899
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: like Devin White at the linebacker spot. That's a thing.

900
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: Sure because he was a player that was in that

901
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: spot that was highly touted enough coming out of college

902
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: to where he was worth it. I don't think there's

903
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: that player in that trap. That's why I think the

904
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: cornerback spot and keeping things cheaper on the outside where

905
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: your top two corners, which would be either Treyvon Diggs

906
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: or whoever you draft this year, are gonna be cheap

907
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: for the next five years. That that's really clever the

908
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: way you tried to do that, Kyle. But I was

909
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: condidned that, Yeah, that's clever. I like that. But if

910
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: you asked Bruce arians which would he have rather had

911
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: the defensive line under contract versus those secondary guys. If

912
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: he could have drafted Jason Pierre Paul and an In

913
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: Dumbinkan Seul and guys like that. He would have rather

914
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: drafted those guys and feel those resip He just had

915
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: the luxury, right, right, He had the luxury to be

916
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: able to do that. I mean, look, this is a

917
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: necessity for us. This is the necessity part. We have

918
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: to find playmakers and impact players. We think that we

919
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: have a few, or we have one, uh in Tank Lawrence,

920
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 1: but outside of that, everybody else has a question mark.

921
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: So look, you have to start build the building blocks

922
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: the foundation of your team. It starts up front. Whether

923
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: it be Neville Gallimore, whether it's Tristan Hill, whether it's

924
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, all of those things. We still need guys

925
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: that are gonna make an impact on the front in

926
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: front for us, the back half are linebackers. We realize

927
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: there's a void there. If we can get better at

928
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: the linebacker position, then great safety. There's a legitimate need

929
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: back there at safety because he doesn't solidify anything. Okay,

930
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: So when you're talking about what's going on on the outside,

931
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: all of that's cosmetic, Kyle, Okay, look kind of like

932
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: this cosmetic, right did you look at the sea tape

933
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: and say that's cosmetically because it was pretty bad. Hey Kyle, Kyle,

934
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, if I'm a cornerback,

935
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: if I'm a veteran cornerback, because that's where you're also

936
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: going to feel in some of these voids after the draft.

937
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: Let's not be mistaken. You're gonna draft young corner. You

938
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: are gonna grab a young corner in this draft. But

939
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: there's also guys like Richard Sherman sitting back there chilling

940
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: right now. It's just training, just training and waiting to see.

941
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: Guess what how dominant is it front seven gonna be?

942
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: To determine how much work I'm gonna have to put in.

943
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm just being I'm being real with you guys. You

944
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: guys don't want to hear this. This is the real quarterbacks.

945
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: You have to work harder if you don't have a

946
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: solid front seven. Question. That's just how football works. So

947
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: absolutely so, there's premium. There's still premium veteran guys who

948
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: are willing to come get the bread and go after

949
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. If the front seven looks good drafts,

950
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: what I can go out here and I can mentor

951
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: these guys. I can show these young bucks how to

952
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: do this thing. And guess what I will rotate through

953
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: And because of the front seven, I don't have to

954
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: come out here and be what I used to be.

955
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the reality, guys. I know of your argument, Hyle,

956
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: everybody was all these guys out there, No, they don't

957
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: have to be at the top of their game. These

958
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: guys just have to simply just be good and be

959
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: mentors and be vets. And guess what I'll I'll take it.

960
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: I'll take a little tax break. I'll take a tax

961
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: breaking him out here. It helped these young bucks along

962
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: in a in a system that I'm familiar with. And

963
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: guess what, if y'all take care of that up front,

964
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: I'll come in there. I'll come in. But if you

965
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: got it, you don't take care of that up front.

966
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sticking these dudes that y'all about the face

967
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: issue for six seven seconds. I'm not doing it. Okay,

968
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: but we've stabbed, We've established they need a lot of

969
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: help and a lot of spots. Yeah, So if they

970
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: draft Michael Parsons at ten linebacker line but not a

971
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: not a edge rusher, that's gonna played that right d

972
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: spot then Alton Smith played last year. Don't need it, okay,

973
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: but if you you get him in place, is the

974
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: front seven so infinitely better that. Like you said on

975
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: the back end, you just gotta you just gotta be okay.

976
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: You just gotta be okay. I don't. I don't think so.

977
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean that's actually I'm not no, I'm not saying

978
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: you're done. Don't let me don't know. I'm gonna make

979
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: sure that I'm clear on this. We're not done making

980
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: your acquisitions. You are nowhere near done. However, I feel

981
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: really good about my friend about Dallas's front seven. If

982
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: you put Parsons in there, I feel really good about it.

983
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: With some of the other pick that they've already acquired

984
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: early in the offseason, I feel good. Do I feel

985
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: like amazing about it? Not yet, not until i'll see

986
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: these guys all work together. But guess what I'm feeling,

987
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: dog because I know at least I got some dogs

988
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: that are hungry. They're gonna run around and they're gonna

989
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: get after the quarterback. And guess what, you picked up

990
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: the big the big dog on Gargantuan in the middle.

991
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: You're not gonna run the ball up the middle right,

992
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: you got a couple of guys who got Tristan Heal,

993
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: we got Gallimore. We got some young guns, some dogs

994
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: that are up front. We know they can play, we

995
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: know they have a drive, we know they have a motor, right,

996
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: and these guys are gonna continue to get better, and

997
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna get coached up by one of the best

998
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: defensive coaches. So we is going to get better. But

999
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: secondary is easier to feel with veterans for the discount

1000
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: double check than it is defensive lineman. That's the real

1001
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: I agree to a certain extent. But also, whenever we're

1002
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: talking about the draft, you have to draft where the

1003
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: draft allows you to draft. I mean, that's just plain

1004
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: and simple, where the value is, and the value in

1005
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: this draft with edge rusher's defensive lineman, you can talk

1006
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: about linebackers, front seven, whatever, all the front seven you

1007
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: can get in the Day two part of the draft, which,

1008
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: by the way, you have three picks, you could pick

1009
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: two guys if you wanted to to get that dude.

1010
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: I don't think Michael Parsons is that guy. I don't

1011
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: think he's that guy. That's that you say, all right,

1012
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: let's let's forget about getting a guy day two, and

1013
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: let's go find a guy day one and just solidify

1014
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: that spot. No, cornerback is that position. That's where the

1015
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: value lies early in the draft. I mean you can

1016
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: talk about offensive tackle there, you can talk about cornerback

1017
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: and talk about wide receiver pass catcher. Of course, that's

1018
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: not a need. Corner is a need. It is a

1019
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: glaring need right now for this team. And whenever you

1020
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: haven't pick at ten, you can make that selection and

1021
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: then go and get an edge rusher later on in

1022
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: rounds two or three that can be a starter for you.

1023
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: You're talking about him already, Tristan Hill, Neville Gallimore. You're

1024
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: you're relying a lot on those guys already. They were

1025
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: Day two picks. They weren't top ten picks. I think

1026
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: there's I think there's two different game plans, right, There's

1027
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: two different approaches. I think the approach to heck on

1028
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,959
Speaker 1: myself are taking. I think we can go ahead split

1029
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: this up now on myself are taking an approach or

1030
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: what guys are going to have the most impact on

1031
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: our team right in our team, not which guys are

1032
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: necessarily the best in this draft. There's two different ways

1033
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 1: that you approach this. You can pick the best player available,

1034
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: right they're always guys always do that all the time.

1035
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: But does that feel the void that your team needs

1036
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: to be most dominant right now? Yeah? I can you

1037
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: argue that Patrick Certant is a better player than Parsons.

1038
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: You can make that argument. But but it does putting

1039
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: him on your team right now make you more dominant

1040
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: or does it just give you better outlook in terms

1041
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: of the future. You put Parsons on your team and

1042
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, your fresh seven unit is more dominant.

1043
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm writing about. You have to change

1044
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: your mindset to say, oh, well, this player is gonna

1045
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: he's great in college, he's gonna be great in the league. Yeah,

1046
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 1: down a road, down a role. But is he gonna

1047
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: have that impact right now? Is he gonna go out

1048
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: line up and stop freaking freaking heal and and and

1049
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: and everybody else is going to give you a better

1050
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: chance than than Reggie Robinson, and Rio Jones is going

1051
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: to rout You's going to round Chard Robinson. I mean,

1052
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, Kyle, You know this.

1053
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: It does because Peter c Anda stopping Mike Emson. These guys,

1054
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: they're not. Nobody else has stopping, so'll just be real

1055
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, this is a sect of fact. Their

1056
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: receivers are going to win. Let's get home before they

1057
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Speaker 1: Isaiah through the screen man. Just just give me defense.

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with you, Isaiah, and I'm sure that's

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Speaker 1: Man Isaiah got hooked up with Bows headphones and oh

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Speaker 1: he got him. He does. Yeah, looked their phone. He

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Speaker 1: got it. He got He got hooked up with Bows

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Speaker 1: headphones and Selor lenses in like the span of one week. Heck,

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Speaker 1: what's it like, though, Rob, It's like a symphony in

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Speaker 1: my head. Yeah, yeah, that's symphony. He just popped back

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Speaker 1: up with glasses. Oh my gosh. It's all about that

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Speaker 1: product placement, baby, all of it. Put it Dad on

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Speaker 1: like this, I don't like this. I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the uncle. I'm trying to say. That's that's

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Speaker 1: that's that's the barbecue. Uncle. Give me the game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but hay me that hand me that paper plate. Put

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Speaker 1: a little next. Oh goodness, all right, this is good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is uh final three minutes. So I'm gonna

1131
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Speaker 1: ask you rapid fire questions. Look at the roster right now,

1132
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: whatever the moves have been made in the past. Is

1133
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: there a position or multiple positions that stand out as

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Speaker 1: having the most need entering this draft. I'm not even

1135
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Speaker 1: talking about premium picks. I'm just saying we need players

1136
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Speaker 1: here that can be young, good. Whatever you want to say, Rob,

1137
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Speaker 1: I'll let you start off. But is there a position

1138
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Speaker 1: that sticks out to you right now anywhere on the

1139
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football. Honestly, I've been I've been

1140
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: saying defensive tackle for months, and I still kind of

1141
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: I think Heck kind of alluded to it, Like I'm

1142
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Speaker 1: still you could still find a big time tackle that

1143
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Speaker 1: could disrupt things in the middle and stop the run

1144
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Speaker 1: along with your free agent editions. Like I'm I'm still

1145
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 1: on board with that. Um, I mean, we covered corn

1146
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: and linebacker, and I'm not in disagreement about linebacker depth

1147
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: and talent. Like Isaiah said Alton Smith leaving you know,

1148
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory can step in at edge rusher, but you

1149
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Speaker 1: could Abash Hims there, but you could use another edge rusher.

1150
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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, like it sounds boring, but it's really

1151
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: give me a playmaker anywhere, and I'm happy about it. Isaiah,

1152
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Speaker 1: I'm going with I'm gonna go with we need a

1153
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Speaker 1: corner we need a corner. I think we want a linebacker. Um,

1154
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Speaker 1: I want to throw things. I'm so frustrated. Talk about positions.

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Speaker 1: We talk about positions, right we are, Yes, we are.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about position. We need corner. How you okay, bra,

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Speaker 1: He's not take it take it from there? All right?

1158
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Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna Hey, I'm gonna start with safety. We

1159
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Speaker 1: need we need a safety. Um, I don't think we

1160
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: didn't fix anything. We have a because he that we

1161
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: signed from Atlanta. It's like that an achilles rupture. So

1162
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: don't know how he's gonna heal for that, but we define.

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Speaker 1: I want to see us go into the draft and

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Speaker 1: get one of these, uh safeties. But I'm gonna stay

1165
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: with the linebacker position. That needs to be depth at it.

1166
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 1: We need a playmaker. Uh. You know, Layton vander Esch

1167
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Speaker 1: is in the point where will the Cowboys pick up

1168
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Speaker 1: his fifth year option? There are a lot of question

1169
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Speaker 1: marks there, and I think drafting a stud linebacker pretty

1170
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Speaker 1: much puts a lot of things in perspectives and lights

1171
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: of fire under a lot of guys. We've been talked

1172
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Speaker 1: about counting Neil though he doesn't make you feel better

1173
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Speaker 1: at that position, even if he's kind of moonlighting there

1174
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Speaker 1: at two hundred and fifteen pounds, he doesn't make you

1175
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Speaker 1: feel better there, and he's coming down, he's coming down,

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Speaker 1: and he said it moonlighting. He said it. He's moonlighting.

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Speaker 1: So that's not gonna be you know it in and out.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make this fages. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: you guy, Okay, no, I thank you. Outside of owner,

1180
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Speaker 1: there are three positions that I think you need to

1181
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: pick up guys in and I think it's safety because

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Speaker 1: the exact same reason that Heckma just alluded to is

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Speaker 1: Keyan O'Neil and demonte Kazi could both be guys that

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Speaker 1: are good, like they could both be high ceiling signings.

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Speaker 1: But it's not likely. I mean, you have a zero

1186
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: idea what they're gonna be. Keona Neil could come in

1187
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Speaker 1: and be an absolute stud. I mean, he's made a

1188
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl before, he was on the upward trajectory as

1189
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Speaker 1: the season was ending last year. He could be really good.

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Speaker 1: Who knows. He could also be terrible and not play

1191
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Speaker 1: a couple but a couple of snaps all year long.

1192
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Speaker 1: Who knows. So safety is one of them. The other

1193
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Speaker 1: one is ed Rusher and the other one is offensive tackle,

1194
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Speaker 1: even though you've signed Tynesseki to kind of be that

1195
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Speaker 1: swing tackle position. I want a guy to groom for

1196
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Speaker 1: the future, not necessarily to start this year, but I

1197
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Speaker 1: want I want to get somebody who's going to be

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Speaker 1: the next the heir to the throne of Tyrn Smith.

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Speaker 1: And then of course Lyle Collins is pretty good on

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Speaker 1: the right side, so I want to go get a

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Speaker 1: left tackle. That's that's one of my positions that you

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Speaker 1: need to go and get. But that's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for us here on Talking Cowboys. Hope you learned something,

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed yourself over the last hour. We will

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Speaker 1: be back next Monday, eleven thirty Central Time here from

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Speaker 1: a little pressure on our bosses upstairs. Hopefully all four

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Speaker 1: of us will be in studio next week, because it's

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Speaker 1: So long from talking Cowboys. We'll see you next week.

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