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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. Welcome in.

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Speaker 2: I'm Doug Gottlieb and this is I guess All Ball

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Speaker 2: or Doug Gottlieb Show or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I want to pump this out to you because.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I haven't done a good enough

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Speaker 2: job of, and I'm going to do a better job of,

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Speaker 2: is doing some whether it's in season, in off season,

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Speaker 2: real time podcast.

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Speaker 1: So here's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Today is Thursday of Championship week, and I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to go into the machinations of our last game the season,

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Speaker 2: losing to Northern Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: We can go back and do that.

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Speaker 2: At a later date if that interests you, right, because

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Speaker 2: it is interesting all the things that happen and how

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Speaker 2: quickly it happens and the decisions that have been made.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to let you guys in on how

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Speaker 2: it really works, right, that's our job. Well, because I

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Speaker 2: think one of the things that has always bothered me

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Speaker 2: about college basketball or coaching is how little actual knowledge

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Speaker 2: the general public has of how it all works. Right,

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Speaker 2: And I don't think it's the public's issue. I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's the media's issue. I don't think it's the

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Speaker 2: coaches issue. But I think there's issues with all three

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Speaker 2: that leave us in this state. Here's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I think people don't know. Like if you're listening to

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Speaker 2: this and you're a civilian, like, you don't know, and

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Speaker 2: you assume because you read social media, read regular media,

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Speaker 2: you think of how your life works, think of what

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Speaker 2: you've heard of basketball, and so you make assumptions with

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Speaker 2: those biases brought in. The media doesn't know because one,

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Speaker 2: they and again remember I have been a media member,

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Speaker 2: so and I still technically am a media member. If

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Speaker 2: you're going to do a podcast, well then you're kind

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Speaker 2: of a member of the media, right, So the media

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Speaker 2: doesn't know because coaches don't let them in and most

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Speaker 2: media members I've never played, you know, like hosts play

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Speaker 2: by play guy, they didn't. They didn't play high level sports, right,

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Speaker 2: that's the analyst job. So they don't know, and they

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Speaker 2: carry the biases up. Well, my life was like this,

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Speaker 2: and I've watched basketball this way, and then the coaches. One,

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Speaker 2: we're learning as we go because it changes too, it's

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Speaker 2: different with your level. But three, the biggest thing is

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Speaker 2: nobody wants to tell anybody shit, right, Why would I

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Speaker 2: tell you how I'm doing something? Because if I'm doing

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Speaker 2: it well or doing it differently, you're going to copy

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Speaker 2: me and steal.

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Speaker 1: My idea or two.

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Speaker 2: If you aren't doing it well right, then you're kind

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Speaker 2: of exposing maybe what the holes are and what you

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Speaker 2: just be honest. There is zero knowledge out there of

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Speaker 2: how all.

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Speaker 1: These things work.

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Speaker 2: So, like I said, it's a Thursday, it's championship week.

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Speaker 2: We lost on Monday, so we gave everybody a couple

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Speaker 2: of days like cool down, right, we took the bus

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Speaker 2: back on Actually we lost on Sunday, so we stayed

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Speaker 2: on Monday in Indianapolisations to Kayla Carrius, who, once again

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Speaker 2: rising lead coached the year they trailed at halftime, won

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Speaker 2: another Horizon League Tournament championship. That's back to back to back.

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Speaker 2: They're awesome, and we'll have her on the pod get

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Speaker 2: her this week?

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Speaker 1: Right? Why not?

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Speaker 2: Anyway, So the way it works, or it leads, the

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Speaker 2: play in the CBI, And I saw there's a the

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Speaker 2: quote was imagine considering yourself a real basketball program and

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Speaker 1: I'll drive to Florida. But there's more too than that.

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Speaker 2: Right for our team, it's the least selfish thing I

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Speaker 2: That's what it exists. Ask anybody if you want me

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Speaker 2: our season winning a championship. Yeah, that's really cool. But

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Speaker 2: And as a fifth year senior who's our captain, who's

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Speaker 2: By and large, between staff and players, we just didn't

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Speaker 2: Let's get this thing going. And then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: not knocking anybody who plays in the CBI again, personally,

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Speaker 2: I would love to coach more basketball with this team.

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Speaker 2: You know, we figured out our team, We figured out

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Speaker 1: That would be great. So what's left? What's next? How

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Speaker 2: We have exit meetings? How do exit meetings work? At

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Speaker 2: And the first thing is, at least at my program,

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Speaker 1: We want to continue to build on having.

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Speaker 2: A high pretension rate, but we're not going to do

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Speaker 1: In any way the culture that we built.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that we won't give guys that earn

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Speaker 1: It's one pot of money, and I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know if it works this way everywhere at the major level,

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Speaker 1: Of guys, how you're gonna do it, what does it

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Speaker 2: the more money you have. Now, not everybody gets to

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Speaker 2: split it. Some schools make you split it with the women.

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Speaker 2: Some schools you get a fraction of it, some schools

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Speaker 2: you get all of it. Okay, But the point is

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Speaker 2: spend more money in the ortal or on our current

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Speaker 1: And of course I do, But.

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Speaker 2: I also know that my staff needs to make more

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Speaker 1: Raised through your by games.

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Speaker 2: The point is that this is a it's a job.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: you spend less money on travel. Spend less money on travel,

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Speaker 2: you have more money to spend on coaching, staff, players, facilities.

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Speaker 2: Like last year we put off restanding our basketball court

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fun, but I also think it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Something that drives me is how we can continue on budget,

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Speaker 2: And then you get to the portal and there's been

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Speaker 1: Assistant at our game.

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Speaker 2: The first thing is if you see an SEC assistant

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Speaker 1: They came to your game.

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Speaker 2: And my guess is that they could only come to

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Speaker 1: Of being in the media.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I don't want to congratulatory text to

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Speaker 2: It's on us as coaches to write in multi year

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Speaker 1: Somebody who's under.

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Speaker 2: Contract, we need to know who they are, and there

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Speaker 2: needs to be a punishment for it. Absolutely, there should

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Speaker 2: All these things are real world business discussions. Now a

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Speaker 2: You don't have to have employment status to have it,

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Speaker 2: you because what happens is everybody lies about how much

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Speaker 1: That makes sense to you.

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Speaker 2: But with all the line, you know, you'll hear numbers like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I think what there should be.

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Speaker 2: One multi year contracts, and then two no contact periods,

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Speaker 1: Period with your current roster. The last thing is the

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Speaker 1: negotiations do work both ways.

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Speaker 2: The reality is when you have a job, no matter

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Speaker 2: how much you love these kids as young men, your livelihood,

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Speaker 1: Depends upon your competitiveness as a team.

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Speaker 2: And you can love a kid, but you can still

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Speaker 1: So that's my day, Ah.

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Speaker 2: That's my day is meeting with the players, meeting with

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Speaker 2: find out how much of that matches with the players,

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Speaker 2: because again, they don't want to be here, They're not

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Speaker 2: Same thing happens with the coaching staff. So it's a

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Speaker 2: fascinating process and I continue to go headlong into the

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Speaker 2: wind and enjoy it thoroughly. I'll talk more about championship week,

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Speaker 2: more about our experience, more about the teams in the

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Speaker 2: NCAA tournament, but I just this one to give you

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Speaker 2: a snapshot of what I would say two hundred coaches

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball