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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to All the Smoke, coming to you live

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Speaker 1: for your baby. Man special guests today. Someone we really

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Speaker 1: looked up to growing up, a really little big Homi

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Speaker 1: to the real original Enforcer in the NBA book out now,

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Speaker 1: The Last Enforcer. Welcome to the show, Charles Oakley Man. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the book. The title, Yeah, the books are.

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Speaker 1: The titles are a lot. The books are a lot more.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of stories, just stuff from growing up.

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Speaker 1: Just some stuff that people you know can really relate to,

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Speaker 1: like growing up stories. Then people who watched the ball

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Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties, people who've been a fan

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Speaker 1: of mine, My consistency over my career, what I stand

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Speaker 1: for when I do all this in this book and

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Speaker 1: a lot more. Does this book talk about the time

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Speaker 1: in Chicago? Talk about Chicago? Yeah, I played with Mike

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Speaker 1: for four years and some of the stuff Mike talk

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Speaker 1: about in the Last Dance some some of the stuff,

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Speaker 1: but not a lot of that in the book. But

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Speaker 1: we had the same area with a lot of stuff,

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Speaker 1: which when the lead was really bad, when a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys were disappearing before games, before shooting around. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I go and talk about a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff in the book too. Yeah you said, I can't

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Speaker 1: remember every rebound I grabbed, but I do have a story,

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Speaker 1: a true story just about every punch of slapping in

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Speaker 1: your resume. You can remember all that stuff. I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think for me and Matt, like we

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Speaker 1: look at that all that stuff different, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, because at times, you know, our passion what

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Speaker 1: forces us to be that person sometimes. So we understood

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Speaker 1: with the book coming out, what do you expect people

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Speaker 1: to get from it? And do you expect them to

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Speaker 1: see a different side of you? Um? It definitely always

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Speaker 1: something they don't know about you, And it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a lot of that in the book. But I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about basketball in the way that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: said they wish the basketball we played today the whole

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Speaker 1: guy's account ball. Um know what you're doing the court, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, game situation and I think that in the

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Speaker 1: game today you watch basketball is just everybody like ah,

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Speaker 1: and that's why you see so much bad talent on

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Speaker 1: the floor and maybe a reason why the Lakers are

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Speaker 1: struggling because it seems like to me they don't nobody

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Speaker 1: You know, that's what you fortell a guy first thing,

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Speaker 1: training camp. Yeah, you do this. You do this as

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Speaker 1: why as a role the time was asking guys play

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Speaker 1: three minutes together efficiencies. But it's a lot of sloppy

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Speaker 1: basketball now and I agree with you to coach it

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Speaker 1: and if that in the Bud from the jump with

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Speaker 1: this book, a lot of people don't know during the

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Speaker 1: George Flown situation, you came down and supported me down

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Speaker 1: to my mazingly supported me. You fed, you cooked for

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Speaker 1: us every day. And you talk about a lot of

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Speaker 1: this stuff in the book, what you're being there, talk

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Speaker 1: got stories in the book like I was coming home

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Speaker 1: rolling around for five hours. Thenybody know I was sixteen

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Speaker 1: seeing that happen, and guy got a knee on this guy,

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Speaker 1: Seeing that and this guy just act like, you know,

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Speaker 1: and just seeing everybody just we for George, We for George,

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Speaker 1: And that just put some of my chest man like crazy.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that. Obviously you were there with Jack for

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Speaker 1: proud you are about Jack, because when it's all said

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Speaker 1: And that's that's what friends are. You know, everybody said

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Speaker 1: trying to bring a family clothes together because they lost

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Speaker 1: You know, like I said, was you know I coached

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Speaker 1: me in the Big Three. Uh you know we then

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Speaker 1: when the chip he come back, when the ship. But

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Speaker 1: this man that did so much for so many different people.

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Speaker 1: Because when you bring someone together, people watching some people

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Speaker 1: And that you know what he's doing now. The shows

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Speaker 1: do it for the press. He didn't do it for

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Speaker 1: the press. Did it for the heart. That was your brother.

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Speaker 1: It's real born and raised Cleveland. Talked to us about Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: It was it was, it was you know it was

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Speaker 1: Now it's Alabama, Alabama, okay, yeah, yeah, six eight power

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Speaker 1: Division two Player of the Year. Over your career culminated

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Speaker 1: over twenty three points six team Hunter rebounds. What was

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Speaker 1: your college experience like? It was? It was, you know,

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Speaker 1: going to jail, stealing clothes. You know, it was it was,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about them, you know, they know. So

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Speaker 1: to cut it out this and that. Man, You're like

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00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 1: that he could have check you've been leaving for me.

428
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 1: So it was a lot of that, and you know,

429
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 1: they got all of them guys out of there and

430
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 1: took two or three years, but then he got to

431
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,679
Speaker 1: start running the team his way, and you see what happened.

432
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: M J dropped sixty three in the playoffs. First the Celtics.

433
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 1: What was that game like? Just talking about It was

434
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: crazy because that was when I think he came back

435
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 1: from the surgeon and they didn't want him to play.

436
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 1: They wanted restricting, and Jason, I'm a ballplayer, I'm playing

437
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: and I'm on the cool. I want to play my

438
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: thirty seven minutes. So that's when Gerban didn't play that much.

439
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: But it was just amazing. He was just he was fresh.

440
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know he he ain't played with twenty games,

441
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: but I didn't played the eighty two, so nobody that's crazy.

442
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 1: And George Gerban was on the bench when the NJ sixth.

443
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,199
Speaker 1: Nobody didn't. I didn't know that he was bench, but

444
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: he was in another world. You know. We lost, but

445
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: he was. He put a show on he flopping and stuffing.

446
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: Uh tonight, I think I witness Jesus on the basketball. Yeah,

447
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: it was tough plan because Boston they got every cold. Man,

448
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: it's amazing. And the floor it's bad. Rephrase that me

449
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: to cut you out. God in the basketball uniform. Yeah,

450
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: basketball shoes guard the basketball in Boston. On the court,

451
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: so DJ so he not a guyt you to the

452
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: dead spot every time you got you and get to

453
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: steal and go down court. Got about three then you

454
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: had the old floor and DJ knew how to turn

455
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: the guard and the next thing you know, because he

456
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,239
Speaker 1: turned it and tried to ball and come up. But

457
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: that's the old parquet floe. When you're playing Boston in

458
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: the one time they got the wind's open, you know,

459
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: already cold, it's already about thirty degrees. They make like

460
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 1: zero degree. It's like it was like they did everything

461
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: they could. You know, they have advantage. And then so

462
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: you already got advantage. You got Bird Cavic, Kelle or

463
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: Pears and DJ like what and you got rid of

464
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: all back looking down. So it was crazy, but it

465
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: was you know, the fans back then like they're not um.

466
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: They was like, you know, they saw good basketball. I

467
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: mean they can, you know they can. Like I don't

468
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: know what the fans when they go to the game

469
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: now when they think about basketball as you know, just

470
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they go to watch the games. I

471
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: think they go just to see who had the game

472
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: and take pictures. They walked past, you know, the bench

473
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: and taking picture with the playoffs now you know what

474
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because it's just you know, the teams that

475
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: you don't see that consistency and what they do on

476
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: the night. You know, one night they looked about thirty

477
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: win about twin you know, it's crazy. You know, you

478
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: can say the games came a long way because back

479
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: then they used to open the one that's in the

480
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: RNA's to keep the floor from sweating because of the ice.

481
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Now they ain't got but

482
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: you don't know if you know, back then that used

483
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: to used to walking to Jim and freezing in there

484
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: and just slippy all over the place. You've always been cold.

485
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's cold outside and they got ice on

486
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: the bottom like hockey. I mean, it's just crazy. Some

487
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: of these arena but then most of them, you know,

488
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: got new ones now so the day. But how did

489
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: the nickname oak Tree come about? It? What did it mean?

490
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: I guess some of my playoffs just you know, it

491
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: took off, you know oak Tree. You know, so it

492
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: just you know, maybe a half of names the oak

493
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: Tree and you know there's the oak and they couldn't

494
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: back you down. Know when shot came back to me,

495
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: then yeah, yeah, they come back down. But no, it

496
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: was just you know, I just like playing a good shock.

497
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's a big guy. But when you're a

498
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: big guy like that, one thing, you don't want to

499
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: get too close to him. You always want to keep

500
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: your balance because you know, shot want to feel your spin.

501
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: I see him do that move so many times, just

502
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: spinning dunk on everybody. I told him, you'll never don't

503
00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 1: go I'm gonnahitching the head. That kind of leads into

504
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: my next situation. Uh, you know this is something I

505
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: did that my career when I, you know, play with stars.

506
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you you fun with the star.

507
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: You funk with me, and that was kind of your

508
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: thing with m J. How did you know? How was

509
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: that on a nightly basis? Because he used to take

510
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: a beating? Yeah he didn't take a beating when I

511
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: was really yeah, you was going, yeah, yeah, it's an yeah, yeah,

512
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: put them in the bag. I'll fight all of them. Yeah,

513
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: but but you got to reiterate that that was the truck.

514
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: Start doing that after they know what it was. But

515
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: then m J we just bonding and just like we

516
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: started going everywhere together on the road trip, he'd arrived

517
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: with me the most time I arrived with him. Uh.

518
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: They stay right in the corner for me. For my

519
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: first two or three years, Um go with how to

520
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: play ping pong poo spades. Uh, you know, we just

521
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, we needed a lot out on sometime at nighttime.

522
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: Him a bitchar didn't go raising them down Willow. They

523
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: alway we hung with the Bears guys and they want

524
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl five. But besides that, we just we

525
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: just have fun. You know, I wasn't cooking like I was,

526
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: but my cooking started picking up, you know. So, but

527
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: we ate a lot of McDonald's back then, m J

528
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: A McDonald's for every morning, for breakfast every morning, McDonald's

529
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: like sin if it works right. And before game he

530
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: eats steak before every game, A steak steak before every game. Damn.

531
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: That's happy boss. Your second year, Uh lead the team

532
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: in rebounding and second and scoring. Um as you continue

533
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: to build your your game and your chemistry. Um. Later

534
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: Doug Collins comes along as coach. How was that situation? Well,

535
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: Doug the one traded me. Uh, Doug. Doug is a

536
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: different kind of coach. You know. He liked the wine,

537
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, um, he he just he was just different.

538
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: I guess one time, Okay, we had a game. It's

539
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: on Christmas Day, Brad sellers. So we had a meeting like, okay,

540
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: we're in New York. So after game, everybody go their

541
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: own way, so you know we're going over time and lose.

542
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: Get back into the locker room. Dog said, everybody on

543
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: the butt. Everybody back on the bus going back to Chicago.

544
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm liked, you just told everybody going there ONNG. Wait

545
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: now we're on the bus going back to Chicago. So

546
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: everybody get on the bus, go by to Chicago. We

547
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: get the day off the next the next practice, no,

548
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: I call it team me, like, you're sucking wrong. You

549
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: shouldn't have told nobody you can go their separate ways,

550
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: you know, man up. And that's when the team started

551
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: going with split up a little bit. Um m. Jaden

552
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: said nothing, but I'm like, hey, you shouldn't have said it.

553
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: You're wrong. So I get traded the next year is

554
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: but I always always do it for my teammate, no

555
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: matter what I mean, trade me and whatever I mean.

556
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm not that bad. Somebody gonna pick me up and

557
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: even to rount up whatever I mean. You do something wrong,

558
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: if the teammate wrong, I can't help you. When you're right,

559
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: I got you one thousand, you know, two thousand because

560
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 1: because don't make a statement that you can't little too,

561
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: that's bad for the team eight or seven A y'all

562
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: get hards, Grand Scott. It I used feeling like how

563
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: the new addition to the team was. I liked the horse,

564
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: Grand Scott. We started calling them Salt and pepper. Had

565
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: to have being black one had a white one. So

566
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: they did everything together with the bath room together. So

567
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: we so we got them. So it be against me

568
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: and Mike Brown against all the guards and two guards.

569
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: So Mike Brown with George Washington and he played with

570
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: the Bulls maybe two or three years. He was sixteen,

571
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: about two eight, them six nine, about two six or so,

572
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: we should go to the hotel room, have team m

573
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: J get this week. We uhoul to go tell I

574
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: mean we tell we probably to about a least thirty

575
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: the hotel rooms because all the little guys fighting us

576
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: so like just fighting in the room around just like

577
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: we'll sign up basketball leaving and we're going to the

578
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: next city, m J. So we started getting them in

579
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: the hotel, like I said, one to go out and

580
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: we see him you know walking well, duck down, beat

581
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: him up. You know, we just beat him up. It was.

582
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: We just had a lot of fun like that. But

583
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: there was Howards and Scott was good guys. Like said,

584
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: they built from there. I mean them two pieces was

585
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, part the whole Brandon for winning them six

586
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: champion you know three and three special horse guy three

587
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: and Scotty got six. But I'm saying Horse was a

588
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: guy who can play the four and five and you

589
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: know mid Rain, good athlete from Clipston. Then and then Scott,

590
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, like I saying, he's a you know, like

591
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: a Lebron type of playoffs but don't have much of

592
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: the office of Lebron, but he can do a lot.

593
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: You know, we can play full position, get about in bold,

594
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: you know. You know, so when you got a guy

595
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: like that, then they had Ron Harper came along. Guy

596
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: can play wanted to you know, that was the thing.

597
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: They had a lot of length on other playoffs. They

598
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: had seting put us behind him. Um. But you know

599
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: it was when I got traded. You know, they kept building.

600
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: But it was fun and playing with them guys. I

601
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun. I got a funny story

602
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: around quick about old We're playing in Charlotte, Oka's assistant

603
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: coach at Charlotte, right, and uh, we had just lost.

604
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm I come, I'm cutting like olden him,

605
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: something from the old school. I already know after you lose,

606
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: I ain't no laughing on the bus. You know. We

607
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 1: was like that and Golden State we got on the rick,

608
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: so I had already already my side. I played with

609
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: Steve Smith and Kevin with us and Dave Robinson, so

610
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: I was taught that as a youngster, I don't given

611
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: what you got going on. We lose, ain't no laughing

612
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: and giggling on the bus, right, So I got DJ

613
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: Augustine and D and D Brown on my team, and

614
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: they're young, they're rookies, right, So they in the back

615
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: we just got blasted by somebody, and uh, they in

616
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: the back of the bus cracking jokes. I got my

617
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: head phones over, so okay, laugh like, and we aren't

618
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: gonna be doing all that goddamn laughing after we just lose.

619
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: Y'all focused on this game, right, you just tell you

620
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: going off everybody? So he just turned around and Jack,

621
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: you know better. I'll take up here and say, oh,

622
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't even I'm not even laughing, but I ain't

623
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: got my handpos off. Well, you know better. You know

624
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: I didn't at the bus I laughing bus. I knew

625
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: he was mad at doing I was saying that I

626
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: knew a time I would. But before we even got

627
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: him the bus to Djags was one of those little

628
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: mothers always laughing dog. So he and when it happened,

629
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: nobody blame him. Nobody. It's always somebody else docs. It

630
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: was just it was just a funny situation. It was better.

631
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: You should know better before we get to the um

632
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: the Knicks part of your career, although you were there

633
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: at the beginning of my thoughts on the last dance

634
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: and and and what you saw and what you learned

635
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: because obviously not the whole time there, but you played

636
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: during that UM. I mean the last dance was something

637
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: for people at home, because you know, pandemic they can

638
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: see different sizes of different people. But I ain't. I

639
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: mean a lot of it was like I don't know

640
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: how true something of it was, but I think that

641
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, like like Gary Payton,

642
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, he probably woudn't happen with Mike. With Mike

643
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: said about he said a lot about a lot of people. Staia.

644
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: I was talking about itself. I don't know why I

645
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: like Isaiah. I don't know what's up with Iailla. Just

646
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: too sneaky. You know, he always think he ain't I

647
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: ain't do it, but he did it. You know, like

648
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: we got we got you on camera. You did that

649
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: camera camera. You see what Mike, Mike do not want

650
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: to be your friend. I I'm telling you for the

651
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: still time, he did not want to be your friends.

652
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: You know, stay on ESPN, keep talking on t N

653
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: T Mike said, you know now you're trying to say

654
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,239
Speaker 1: everybody better than Mike. It's okay, You're not better than Mike.

655
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: He can't your city and took your city. That's why

656
00:32:51,080 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: you really, man, he took over Chicago. I know, Uh yeah,

657
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: I love it. Uh. One thing I wanted to ask, obviously,

658
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Pimp dropped the book recently and there was a lot

659
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: of m slander and that. What was your thoughts? Well,

660
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, a lot of last dance,

661
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: it was car over. So you know, Scotty got his book.

662
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: I got my book. I don't know the anybody thought

663
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: me under bridge over the bridge, So I was just myself.

664
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: I think Scottie probably feel like he was more to

665
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: Mike than these guys. He should have got more action

666
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: than Dennis, rob and Steve Kurry. I think Dennis got

667
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: too much play and Kurt I mean, I mean Scotty

668
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: did a lot. I mean Curry might have hit two

669
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: shots in eight years. Dennis, I mean he did his

670
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: thing be bound, but he was an asshole. Yeah, you Dennist,

671
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: you know what it is. I'm ingforced use the claim

672
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: found but but no, just now, I just try to

673
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: keep it real, Dinnist, know what it is. I kind

674
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: of felt like as time passes and you know, people

675
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: kind of give Scott to his props. I just I

676
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: just think he's kind of going too far with it now,

677
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: like to to and everybody have their opinion. Bro, you

678
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But from for one minute, you're

679
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: saying nothing that nobody is better than Joy and he's

680
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: the best. To the point, I guess when after like

681
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: you said, after this last dance came out, now you're

682
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: having second thoughts of saying all this stuff, Like I'm

683
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: kind of feeling like that ain't genuine. I feel like

684
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: he's going through something he's mad at Mike about. Yeah.

685
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: I think myself, I think it's something off the court, right,

686
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: because Scotti he said whatever he said, he got a

687
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, when they're about to call this

688
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: guy to go and you ain't in the top scoring,

689
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: it's hard. You just said you're betting someone, but you

690
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: got opinion. You know. I know, Scott I told to Scotty, Um,

691
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: you know, I you know, I just talked to Mike

692
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: after every last you know, last day. They shouldn't have

693
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: did interview. But Scott, he came out with his book.

694
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: He said a lot this and that, trying to compare

695
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: yourself with Mike. I mean, like I said that I

696
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: called Mike and uh in my book called Mike and

697
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: Lebron for as the flaking corn flakes. So so Scottie

698
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: to Mike, Scotty ain't better than Lebron, No, not even So.

699
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: My thing is Scotta got a lot of you know,

700
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: potentially type of skill that with Brown. But I don't

701
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: think it Scott Avage but maybe one time his career, right,

702
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know Scott, you know his wife,

703
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: you know, his son passed. I mean, he was going

704
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: through a lot, so he could have you know, I

705
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm trying to you know, I like Scottie,

706
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: but it's Mike's hard to sell you back in the goat. Yeah,

707
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: it's hard to set it, but you know we don't

708
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: have a be on the scott Get dealt to the Knicks,

709
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: which was a very popular decision for Bill Cartwright. How

710
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: did you find out and and how tough was that

711
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: for you? Kind of learning the business? Well, I mean

712
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: the business business. I always been like, hey, you ain'ty control,

713
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: don't worry. When you control, you know you can worry.

714
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean my thing is when I got traded. It

715
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: was me and Mike Richard Dent at the Tyson and

716
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: Spinks fights Atlanta City. So we was walking to the fight.

717
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: We're walking to the fight and some guy hit Richard

718
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: Dent like the pickpockets so the pickpocketing, but I called him.

719
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: He threw it down and Richel like, I said, that

720
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: rich your wallet and the guy he duck off. So

721
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: basically he could have had it anyway. So we're going

722
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: to the fight. So somebody, somebody called Mike and we

723
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: really wanted to fight the fight you haven't started yet, said, oh, ship,

724
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: they traded you. I said what, yeah, yeah, they said

725
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: they traded you. I said what then I'm thought of

726
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: thinking like this. And then I said, did you do

727
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: something about it? I'm quitting him, like you're the man

728
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: of the team. I always said you was a man

729
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: of team. So you gotta know something. Don't play dumb now.

730
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, they said something about it, but I

731
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: ain't know all the details. I said, okay, just answer

732
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: my question. They did tell you, but I mean my

733
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: thing is I didn't. I didn't cry about it. I

734
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: still had a job. I'm going to New York. I'm

735
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: gonna play with Pat you on. I'm going to the Apple.

736
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they ain't. They ain't trade me

737
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: to Cyca Milla nowhere. I was still going up here.

738
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: So getting in New York Apple was Apple. You know that.

739
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: So many people the year. It's just something, man, all

740
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: the rappers, all the celebrities. I mean, you've really got

741
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: in the mixed. Man. It was like having up there. Man.

742
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know the eight is not everybody

743
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: in New York, and there's always something going on. Man.

744
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: But we didn't hang out a lot on game days.

745
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: I only win you off. We had a rude night

746
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: of a game. You cannot go out night before. Now, guys,

747
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: go all night before the day before, during the game

748
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: party before the games, I'm like, whoa, what was this

749
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: that was being disrespected to the team? I find especially

750
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: the other teams go out, I try to kill them. Yeah,

751
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: you go in my city, then you think you got

752
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: a easy win. Okay, You're like, they was disrespecting me

753
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: by going out the night before they played, y'all. Yeah. Yeah,

754
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: anything he did night before a game, you trying to

755
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: have a shoe sign all the go outside that this

756
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: is what might have pissed him off. How you feeling

757
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: about m J smoking cigars? He smoking cigars for the game.

758
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: You weren't smoking cigars back then? Yeah, he started smoking

759
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: to me, so I winning. He changed with the winds.

760
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know bus and all that now that's

761
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: the Phil Jackson or he wasn't doing that back then. Yeah,

762
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: your first year in New York, you guys running too

763
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: the Bulls playoffs? What was that? Like? We ran into

764
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: him a lot. It was just one of them things.

765
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: It was just like MJ always said, you were going

766
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: the wrong time. But it was always telling him. I

767
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: always tell him, that's what it said. You always said,

768
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: he's always working around. So I just tell him I'm glad,

769
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: I said, you're glad, David turning your next next to

770
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: a neighbor, Right, that's what you get all the calls. Yeah,

771
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: but you guys had a hell of a team man,

772
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: Patrick uh Starks, Mason, Larry Johnson, Doc Rivers. What was

773
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: it like just kind of finding your footing with that team?

774
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: It was really talented team going to the nineties. Basically,

775
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: you know we had part uh Jeff let me with

776
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: the Jeff might have been Jeff Paralley, not Jeff Paralley

777
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: then Jeff. So with Lad Johnson, we had Jeff Um.

778
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: I mean we went to the finals in Houston, but

779
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: we um we just balled and bounds all right. Against Houston.

780
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: We was up three too, went seven last minute the game.

781
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: We we couldn't get the league. I think Sam Cansell

782
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: had the Big three and but you know, playing the

783
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: gap was great. And you know we didn't hang a

784
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: lot in New York on somebody would hung out with

785
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: me and Mason, I mean and to Buttom. I don't

786
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: think Patrick went ain't going nowhere. Um Anthon I think that.

787
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: But we uh we we we were trying to play.

788
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: We played. That's it's like a band. You know, everybody

789
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: got to the show overbody going the only way. And

790
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: I think that hurt is as a team because we

791
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: wentn't close enough in New York, you know, and I

792
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: think that, um, that hurt us a little. But we

793
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: tried to you know, like some guys, but you know,

794
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: but a lot of guys. It's just it's just like

795
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: we weren't closer. We should have been more closer and

796
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: sometimes that work out better, but it didn't. It just

797
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: didn't work out. But were we fall to the end.

798
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: That's like I give you that. How was pat Rod

799
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: lets the coast and what advice was given? Like he said,

800
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: like you said, Peg get ready, gets ready to fight

801
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: for every game like a fighter. Uh yeah. He was

802
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: you know, control freak, uh real dominantly like his way

803
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: to the Highway. Great preparation, um, but long long term

804
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: for like late No, we didn't just good in some

805
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: game situations. I think that that hurt is, especially against

806
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: Houston and King and it's skilled pastor and you know,

807
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: we just he was a monster. He was what he

808
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: was defensive m v P and the m v P.

809
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but pat Rowley, you know he's uh, I

810
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: mean he knows what you know how to get you there.

811
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: He can you don't get you there, and you know,

812
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: make sure your body fast as right, make sure you

813
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: know your ways right, and he can make sure you

814
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: you can. You know, like fourth quarter, you got enough energy,

815
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: made defriend of the game and but you know we

816
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: just we just gonna make the bucket when we needed. Um,

817
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: that was a good series. But you know he was

818
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, he worked as hard. We can lose by

819
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: twenty we know we're gonna have to go do some suicide.

820
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: So we'll we'll play back. We have to back to

821
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: back and we lose. We have to work out. Sometimes

822
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: most back in the day, they at the back to

823
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: back to get the day off. It's how you play

824
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: in your back to back, you know what I'm saying.

825
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: So if you play bad, you practice. If you play

826
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, keep it glaiming five or six points. Okay,

827
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: I understand. But you know so he was one of

828
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: them guys. So he try to keep your mentally tough

829
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: about the game. And um, you know then at a

830
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: lot of nonsense around. So I can respect that when

831
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: he I mean, he's known for were like you said,

832
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: the running and his preparation that he like, was it

833
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: that like, was Patrick running with y'all like everyone had

834
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: to run? Or was it well to begin a training camp?

835
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 1: You know, Patrick had bad knees, so late in season

836
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: he didn't do that much running. Um, I mean he didn't. Um.

837
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: He made us do what it's you know, like sometimes

838
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: you just leave practice an't like some people go do somethingles. No,

839
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: you had to go relax and stuff. But I think

840
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: he meant to do that because then want you out

841
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: of about a lot. Yeah, So but he was he was.

842
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: He was totally different and he was a different coach

843
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: and all the coaches I had, so I guess you

844
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: know he had. But when he first came to New York,

845
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: he sit down and talked to me about he wanted

846
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: to cut my minutes. And I said, okay, well, you

847
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: know you got the pedestory. You know you won championship

848
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: in l A, so I'm gonna listen to you. I

849
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: want to win a rank, so I want to see

850
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. So the first year he cut

851
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: my minutes from thirty four down to twenty six twenty seven.

852
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: We didn't do that good. Then the next year he

853
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: I said, I went to talk to you two years,

854
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: I said, Pat, I needed to get my regular I

855
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: think I bring more to the team. I know you

856
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: got all your adelated this and that, but I think

857
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: my force. You're gonna look at the Force like you should.

858
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: So my force do more on the court. So the

859
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: next year I saw it back in my regular minutes.

860
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: I make the All Star team, we go to the finals,

861
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: so point proof. He didn't want to, but I was like,

862
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: I tried your way, try my way, man up right,

863
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: So how good? I think somebody gets lost in the

864
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: shof on the history of Basketball's Patrick Ewing? How good

865
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: was a big fellow down there for you? Was good?

866
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: But Patrick wasn't that Georgetown patrion. To me, he didn't.

867
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: He didn't bring that when he left Georgetown. I think

868
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: he left his tough and stiff. You got to be

869
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: a more for this, and I think that hurts as

870
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: a team because we want it. Ain't about getting thirty points,

871
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: about dog calling that mill of down when they're coming

872
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: up with their heads down the floor. I did I didn't,

873
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: you know, So my thing, one guy, I can do it. Now,

874
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: we're trying to win as a team. If you're trying

875
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: to do it that's what he didn't do. But I

876
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: mean he got a twenty and ten Dream Team, Hall

877
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 1: of Hall of Fame all that, but we didn't get

878
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: the rain, right, you know, call my on Barkley James

879
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: hard of Westbrook. I mean, you know, so, I mean

880
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: you get all the shots and you get the money

881
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: and the glory, but the team don't win nothing other

882
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: than the Bulls. What other teams you know, was tough

883
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: on a nightly basis. I was, I was going to

884
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: against the Paces and Reggy milling Um as well. I

885
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: going to play the Paces against Dale and an Tonio Davis,

886
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: Reggie Rick Smith, and yeah, I love it. You know,

887
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: it was more affiliate than me. I just I just

888
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: like to play against guys. My slides they want to bang,

889
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: you know. But we had we had some wars. That

890
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: was the That was more war with them with Chicago, yeah,

891
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: because you know Chicago was just trying to run you

892
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: in for ness. And but you know, Indiana played more

893
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: half court the same way we played, so it was

894
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: more mana mana. But I mean we REGI killed that

895
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: one game in school like nine points in like eight seconds. Yeah.

896
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: Then that another year Patrick Mr finger Roll And but

897
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: you know, there was two teams just batting to beat

898
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: the Bulls. Were all in the same situation. I think

899
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: they went to the finally one we did. We had

900
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: we all had to go through the Bulls. They had

901
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: to go through us. We had to go through them,

902
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: and then the Bulls. The bull was like, okay, they're

903
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: just staying in the finish. Who next? You know? So

904
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: it was it was fun to playing against them. You

905
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: was on the team when Alonzo, I mean when Alonso on. Yeah,

906
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: they weren't doing nothing. They hate nobody connected, nobody connected. No,

907
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: they threw something. They threw a lot of They threw

908
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: a lot of Yeah. It was funny though. So we

909
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: we briefly touched on this. Ninety four you guys make

910
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: the finals. That's actually the year MJ wouldn't play baseball.

911
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: You guys beat the Bulls in seven tough battle against

912
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: uh against Indiana in the Eastern Conference finals. You guys

913
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: run into Houston and like you said, you just couldn't

914
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: get the job done. No, we just I mean, you know,

915
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: the first two games in Houston we split. Come to

916
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: New York, we went two out of the three. Um,

917
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: that's when the old J thing was going on, and

918
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: I think that was happening. Yeah, the juice that was

919
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: game five. I think yeah, game five because I remember

920
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: they stopped. But the Houston, I mean, you know they

921
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: just kim just we could we could. I mean, he

922
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: was just he was a problem. That What was you

923
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: thinking when you saw the juice on the runt? Oh man,

924
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: it's crazy, he's innocent. I was like, that was crazy.

925
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: But then the break in during a game that was

926
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: like Hamiship during the finals. The juice is on the run. Yeah,

927
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: but King King killed us. But Sam Cansell hit some

928
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: big shots. He played big big shots, and every time

929
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: we tried to switch over this and that, the other

930
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: guy do something, it was just you know, that was

931
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: our chance and we never got back. That's it's so

932
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: hard to get back, you know. I think you know,

933
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: especially when you left one out there, you'd be like, oh,

934
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: we gotta get back. And then on the way back,

935
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: it got to be perfect, you know, basically got to

936
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: add a piece. I know what you did wrong? You know. Health, Yes,

937
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: a lot of luck goes into it. And you hear

938
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: about teams going back to back like ken'son and got

939
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: a chance of going three three years in football, you know,

940
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: as they struggle to beginning this season, now they're back

941
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: on track. It's just like man, got on line. It

942
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: was fun though, you know, like being I think we

943
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: had games six in Houston. You know, they had the

944
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: T shirts and stuff made up already, right, so I'm

945
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: in the hotel. They didn't see me. I've seen it.

946
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: I've seen them like roll and stuff out, you know,

947
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: to like because they had it ready just in case

948
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: we won. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But it's

949
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: just amazing that you see that and like wow, and

950
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: I was way to the bus. I'm like, man, but

951
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, just now we got chance to put it on.

952
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: They probably they probably burnt it up. And y'all, y'all

953
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: win a game six, mostiple you hunt to win game seven,

954
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: but it was closed, went down to the last like

955
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: seven minute. But Sam, we'll still hit that three pointers

956
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: on the big shot. Yeah. When you take a look back, now,

957
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: what was you what what comes to mind when you

958
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: think about your time in New York? Just how the

959
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: fans treated me. They speed treated me with so much

960
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: love and me, I mean the people were just the

961
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: restaurants and I got a chance and you know to

962
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: meet so many different people in different places and connections

963
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: like crazy. Uh, I mean I had to do it

964
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: do the same way. Did you get big and fashion

965
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: when he was in New York? That's when you started

966
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: getting big and fashion like I was. I was, no,

967
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: we just get out of clothes made by this lady

968
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: in Chicago named Barbara Bates Man shot with care from

969
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Yeah. Can you know he made Johnny Newman closed? Yeah? Johnny,

970
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: Now that's right. So basically, you know, Rochester was out

971
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: a little, so I was mixing the a little that

972
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: so I stopped going to Rock Schulu. You so I've

973
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: seen everybody in the league with the same you know,

974
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: type of jacket. Yeah. Then Barbara started making guys the

975
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: same time, so I was like, okay, let me find

976
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: me another tator. So I got New York. I got

977
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,959
Speaker 1: missed the dead. E've been making myself like thirty five years. Yeah. Yeah,

978
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: so but I still I didn't get something Barb. But

979
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: she's cool. She started with all the you know NFL

980
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: guys before we got there. Then Mike used to get

981
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: all the lone jackets and two pieces, Nick Annas and

982
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: Kenna get all them guys. But yeah, she once first started.

983
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: I just always wonder who, like, who was the first

984
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: to start wearing fresh suits and getting clean and come

985
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: to the games. You know what I'm saying, We all

986
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: did that though everybody. We believe you gotta well, you

987
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: know suit. I mean, we're going to work, so we

988
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: gotta wear a suit. But yeah, I always want to

989
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: suit the game. You know that. I probably had it

990
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: every year three for one of those suits. So I

991
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: was honestly always just hats. You know, you could call

992
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: me to Mac back there ninety eight it was traded

993
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: to Toronto for Marcus Camping. You provided a veteran presence

994
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: for the young guys in Toronto VC and t Mac.

995
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: How was that being with those two young stars? It

996
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: was great? Uh you know Vince with the rookie trade

997
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: team Mac with the one year before um, it was

998
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: a lot of vesting. I think that a muggs of

999
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: game Dale, Captain Willers, you know, just a tourny old.

1000
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: Basically it was distracted Keon Clark, Keian Clarde, these come

1001
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: ways come over the Crown boy and he could have

1002
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: been good man. Yeah he's dunking everything, don't everything blocked everything.

1003
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: But now with getting trace and Vincent. It was just

1004
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: like Wow, these two young guys and both of them

1005
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: us so talented one two punts, you know, like the

1006
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: Rosa and Zack Bean. But Tracy, you know it left

1007
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: the next year and the Evince it was, you know,

1008
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: he stepped up. We had teammates and like, hey, this

1009
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: is your team, we got your back veteran's you know,

1010
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: take minut shore as you won't just be ready to

1011
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: play every fucking night. I told him just like that,

1012
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: and you know he showed up. Obviously getting a chance

1013
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: to play with MJ. But Vince from a standpoint of

1014
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: coming into the league and just the amount of highlights

1015
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: he provided with you ever and like, ah, like you've

1016
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: been with the Groat. Yeah, but Vince, I think that's

1017
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: something different. Yeah, I think Vince highlight might be better

1018
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: than Mike. I'm sorry, Mike. When Vince with the Elevator,

1019
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: it was a twelve. He made the thirteen fools. He's

1020
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: the best end game dunker. We've got him and uh

1021
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: yeah Dominique for his tip dunk Human Highlight film. Yeah,

1022
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: but Vince, I know it was crazy when he got

1023
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: longs on he opened the door, then let me close

1024
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: it on everybody. It was. That was the day he

1025
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: put the show on. He had a good he had

1026
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: a ten year run, Vince and the Dunk Contest and

1027
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: up in Canada, you know, he left Canada kind of events.

1028
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: Then then uh Kawitlina come win the championship. Man change everything.

1029
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: I went to four of them games, I mean three

1030
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: of them games. It was like whoa, they was off

1031
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: the change of this id and the crew. He got

1032
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: his own little spot in the reader like mere jumping.

1033
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: They're done it big oh one oh two. You come

1034
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: back to the Bulls. So how was it coming back

1035
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: and how was it playing with Jamal Carford? I ran,

1036
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: I tested all of them come back to Bulls from yeah,

1037
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: young Bucks, Tim Floyda coach man. He was terrible to

1038
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: the state in college, oh man college, I don't know

1039
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: it's even but high school, Uh it was bad. But

1040
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: coming back to the bull with them young guys and

1041
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: you know Eddie Tyson then get drafted and U Jamal

1042
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: was you know Jamal head all the and one stuff.

1043
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: It was fun, but management and ready for the moment.

1044
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: They blame me young guys for everything went wrong, and

1045
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: I told him that wasn't Then how you do business.

1046
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: You didn't bring me back here to be Uh. I'm

1047
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: not a yes man. That's what they thought. I told

1048
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: Jerry and no, no, he find me like, no, you know,

1049
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm not that type of guy. I got you back,

1050
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna let y'all just dog these young guys.

1051
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: You have too high school guys and they don't know

1052
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: what to do, and you're not trying to make them

1053
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: better and you're getting your coach can't make them better

1054
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: because he don't know what the hell he's doing. So

1055
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: it was it was a little bumping for a minute

1056
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: and got into a tin floor. And another story was

1057
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: you know Margot fighter, you know him right, So he

1058
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: tried to six like Barkley six flat six jump out

1059
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: of the gym. So one day we have been practice,

1060
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: so it was like mass with Edd and Tyson. I'm like, man,

1061
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: lead them young guys, Like you're young, You've just been

1062
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: in the league a year before them, So how are

1063
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: you gonna just try to tell him what to do.

1064
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: If I'm not telling, you shouldn't do any telling. So

1065
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: he started trying to next day in practice, trying to

1066
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, just doing this exce stuff. I'm like man,

1067
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: I told you the other day. Now you do it

1068
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: again in I'm gonna come to see you, you know.

1069
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: So he did something again, so I had to come

1070
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: and see him. I said, I what did I tell you?

1071
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: I getting like a three piece right? Yea, as I

1072
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: told you, he said, Man, he spanta to be a leader.

1073
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: I said, that's not leagal leader. I warned you twice

1074
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: the other time. It's me example. So and then they

1075
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: brought me and they find me like it's all good man,

1076
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: but that's Tyson and head they back. Yeah. Now we

1077
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: talked about it before. Eddie said, because he was on

1078
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: the Warrior's team and he always spoke about having y'all us.

1079
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: Event was was big for him and him and Tyson.

1080
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: And he said if the organization would have had more

1081
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: patience with them, they would have did. But he said

1082
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: they had no patience. Will two thousand until you signed

1083
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: with the Wizards as a free agent. You're reunited with Mike.

1084
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: How was that being back on both o gees. Now

1085
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: on your way out, we had the ball seemed like

1086
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: we part of game. We are they we didn't. We didn't.

1087
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: We stayed with the rules and we didn't go out

1088
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: night for a game. But we just you know, he stayed.

1089
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: We stayed right on twenty second m in Washston. He's

1090
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: on the north side, on the south side, and so

1091
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: we had you know, Micaul's Mike. You know, I'm just

1092
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: still coming in practicing hard. You know, him in Stackhouse

1093
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: got a little into it a couple of times. But

1094
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, for man, you know, beforety years old, both

1095
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: of us were still practiced and showing that hey, we're

1096
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: not here just for the ride. We here to you know,

1097
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: make the team go win and be leaders. But we

1098
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: had fun, you know, I said, but I did every

1099
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: game together, and you know, we just you know, the

1100
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: people in the city they just loved because we were

1101
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: the Batman and they played so many years. They were

1102
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: just lad, you know, we was on the team. But

1103
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: a lot of respecting d c U. When I went

1104
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: to school, like I was happening, So I knew a

1105
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: lot of people in the city. We just have fun.

1106
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: You were known for someone obviously with the book called

1107
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: The Last Enforce. You were known for wanting to smoke

1108
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: with people. So I'm gonna give you a list of

1109
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: names and just tell me what you remember about these

1110
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: people on the battles you have when of the first

1111
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: time Charles Barkley, Charles Barkling great players on the size,

1112
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: but on the court. I mean, no, he didn't talk

1113
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: like he talked. Now. I guess he got another set

1114
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: of license since he's got at the NBA. He's all right, guy.

1115
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't I want to talk too much good about him,

1116
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's in my book. Yeah, and nothing good

1117
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: about him in the book. Question because I heard, I

1118
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: don't know if it was true a room. I heard

1119
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: there was a player meeting one time players in the

1120
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: league and you slapped Charles. Yeah, he said somebody we

1121
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: elaborate on that. Yeah, he Atlanta City is a game.

1122
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: I didn't play him, but as that so something that

1123
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: happen an interview, And I said, next time this guy

1124
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,959
Speaker 1: said anybody name again, Chuck, Charles, Charlie. If he said

1125
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: any of them names again, I'm smacking my saying. So

1126
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: he said Charlie. And so I ain't see him to

1127
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: the lockout their head downtown with all the players there,

1128
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: anybody and then let's get this ship together. Man, and

1129
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: they you know, they keep trying to take all the money.

1130
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: So I said, I'm walking in. I called Mace, Dard Coleman,

1131
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: Chris Meal. I said, I'm clearly They called me, like

1132
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: you come, I see I'm coming, So I come in.

1133
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: I'm looking around. I see I go straight to him.

1134
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: I like what you say. Just when they have a seat,

1135
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the meeting, like it went deep in

1136
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: the big deal. Like you when you go arout, some

1137
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: get some water. So everybody like, what do you do? Nothing?

1138
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: That's not the ball bounce. That's sometimes Larry Bird. Oh man,

1139
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: he's one of the best. You know, go through the

1140
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: ring and then shooting at for thirty five o'clock, go

1141
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: to shoot around and shooting the nine o'clock. Just work

1142
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: on his craft. I mean, I know we beat him

1143
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: in a series. He was, you know, just three out

1144
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: of five back in the days. But he tried to

1145
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: dunk and miss, but we beat him. And I mean

1146
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: he was. He's a legend that team that he played with.

1147
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, just he knew how to play all angles

1148
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: with the cord and everything. Rick Mahorn just a big guy.

1149
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: He went to his story of Black College like me

1150
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: and uh, I know, Rick, I tell him he ain't

1151
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: tell with Jeff Rule and they watched him x man

1152
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: x man, undersized power for play, small talk shit, top

1153
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: ten pick on ve you. Um he was. He was

1154
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: a little falced, but you know he's able to could

1155
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: do what his size. Alonzo morning, Alonzo Georgetown guy like

1156
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: the flex ain't gonna fight um, just like it's on

1157
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: the mother Georgetown guys. Uh, he's a cool guy. You

1158
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: know he think he's too cool sometimes, but he ain't

1159
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: mad at beat yourself. Yeah, probably pronounced his last name

1160
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 1: of palm Moski. Oh yeah, I got into him, touched

1161
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: him up. I had to touch him up. Did you

1162
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: get him warning first? No, he broke my nose. I

1163
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: ain't one. I had to give it to him. Oh

1164
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: he hit you with albo man hit me, he went

1165
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: the face. I hit him in two pieces. What's the

1166
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: id that too? One time he was in the game

1167
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: and Houston on the thought. So he hit me the

1168
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: first time. I ain't do that. That's a strong one.

1169
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: So the second time he elbowed me. He said he

1170
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: tried to catch his elbow. I had to touch him up.

1171
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: He's strong. He was strong. I don't care. I was

1172
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: strong with it. No. It was fun though, man, I

1173
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: liked that stuff, but that's what it is part of it.

1174
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: Part of it. Fast forward February Madison Square Garden. He

1175
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: removed the rest of during the next Clipper game. UM,

1176
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: a lot of way after that, a lot of ship

1177
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: went back. Ford tell us about that situation. Wow, it

1178
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: was crazy. I went there the night before for a

1179
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: third my months the baseball player I have a Foundation

1180
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: Award dinner. So I was going to like regular and UM,

1181
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: I was there and this guy said, you wanna go

1182
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: to the game the next night? I said, yeah, I go.

1183
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: Next thing I know, he comes eight guys walking up

1184
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: and you gotta go, said I gotta go. I just

1185
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: got here, you gotta go. I said, what you said?

1186
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: What your ticket? I said, how do you think I

1187
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: get down here? So basically that he's setting them guys

1188
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: over there and you know, aggravate me. And one thing

1189
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: led to another one. They started grab it on me

1190
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: and said get your hands off of me, don't touch me,

1191
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: and they took me in the back, cuff me and

1192
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: put the cuffs on me. And you know, it took

1193
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: me to cross the street to the presed and got

1194
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: in there. They called me a piece of them. We

1195
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: just sit back. And so it got to the point

1196
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: where you actually went to the precinct. Yeah, I went

1197
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: there and some so some guy to watching game. So

1198
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: everybody was trying to get me out. So my guys

1199
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: from Long Island came. You know, it's a big has

1200
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: fine guy and wants a cop too, so he came

1201
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: and got me out. They let me go about twelve

1202
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: thirty one o'clock the night. They did a couple of interviews,

1203
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: but O, man, just you see how howld him Like

1204
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm howling people of the game and just unbelieving. It's

1205
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: just amazing what happened. And you know today the commission

1206
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: never find him or suspend him or nothing. And he

1207
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: was there and all of this snational televits game and

1208
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: all this go down. Somebody that calls this to happen.

1209
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: Eight guys to wealk up to me for nothing. I

1210
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: can't even I thought robbed the bank or something that

1211
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: they'd see me some all duty cops. It's one regular

1212
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: cop there. But it was just some bullshit, man, some bullshit,

1213
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: and that's like really hurt the family and everybody who

1214
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: knew who I know, somebody messed with. You gotta protect yourself.

1215
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: That's how I was doing, protecting myself when did you

1216
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: know I was trying to hang it up? Two thousand three?

1217
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeall want the championship? You was with the Rockets. That

1218
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: was your last year hanging up. I mean when you

1219
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: my type of role, I mean, you can play as

1220
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: long as you wont is just if the team won't

1221
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: you if I ain't had to school points, just you

1222
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: know a body, you know, a veteran, you know. I

1223
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: mean basically, just Manique, tell me, because I wouldn't like

1224
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: I got to school points to be successful in the game,

1225
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: rebound defense. I had to do so, I mean I

1226
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: still could have probably played another year. I mean I

1227
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,439
Speaker 1: was flexible. I can see give me on the court.

1228
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't banging up or nothing. Eighteen years, eighteen and

1229
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: a half. You gonna count that last year in Houston.

1230
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: What are you most proud of? And career? We're more

1231
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: proud of, um All Star. I'm I'm probably more proud

1232
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: of playing this long All Star. Getting to the finals

1233
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: and meeting a lot of people in my career battered

1234
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: my life. That you know, people you can do. There's

1235
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people can call on and deal with

1236
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: if you need something that's that's good to you know,

1237
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: had the type of connection, you know, to play a

1238
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: long time like that, just just being hummering and just

1239
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: realized that it was a job at all time I

1240
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: didn't take up for granted, I'm proud to say that

1241
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: I got a chance to get some assist from you.

1242
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: We played together in the Big Three, so you're still

1243
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: in a great enough shape to play. You played in

1244
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: the Big Three for US season. Yeah, it's messing around,

1245
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: but anyone's had to up give you a chicken in

1246
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: the biscuit too. Yeah, we we our passion for the

1247
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: game clashed. I want to hear about it. I was

1248
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: watching on TV. I'm like, damn, Jack, I got your back,

1249
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: but don't go out it with oh god, damn not. OK,

1250
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: tell us about that day, Jack. What had happened was

1251
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: I was arguing with the referees and one thing and

1252
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: this is this is I'm gonna say this. This is

1253
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: what he was right about. Though. When I don't argue

1254
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: with the referees, I was unstoppable. So anytime I don't

1255
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: get a file, as you know, I'm arguing with the

1256
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: motherfucker's you can't miss a call while I'm on the court. Sorry,

1257
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: So I come out to go oh take me out.

1258
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: You know, I don't like coming out the game especial three.

1259
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: But he but what he was the whole time? We

1260
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Speaker 1: in Texas, So I'm trying to show up in front

1261
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: of my family. He telling me to calm down, and

1262
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, he followed me. Oh, he fired. He followed

1263
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: me to the point where you ain't going back in

1264
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: the game. You talked to the reps. I'm gonna check

1265
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: myself in. No you ain't. Yes I am, I say,

1266
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: I said, oh you forgot where you at? This? What

1267
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: this was? Killed the whole I said, Oh, we text

1268
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: you what God where you at? You saud like American allies, um, everyone.

1269
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: And we ended up winning the game. So for all

1270
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: the people want to talk about the argument, it worked

1271
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: because we end up winning the game. And you'll have

1272
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: to drink at the bar later. We were what happened,

1273
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: me and him going to the bar eat after every game.

1274
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: That's just what it was, all right, man, coming down

1275
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: the home stretch quick hitters. First thing to come to mind.

1276
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: Let us know, if someone to make a biopick of

1277
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: your life, what actor would play you? Good question, that's

1278
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: a good question. I can let Myron, maybe Leon he

1279
01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: can play anybody. You can play anybody. He'll fan of

1280
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: the show to. Actually, it's funny you said. They's something

1281
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: DM recently tell him he looked like me, so I

1282
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: just because he can do it. Top NBA defenders of

1283
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: all time Dennis, Robin, Scotty, Uh, Matamo um me bo,

1284
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's fine. First one, who was the first one?

1285
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: Adam Robinson, Robinson Okay Scotty and Matamo okay Aba robson

1286
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: Um share a quick story with any of these people.

1287
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm about to list, Tupac, jay Z, Ice Cuba, Mike Tyson. Wow,

1288
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: I know all of them. I wouldn't see Tyson and

1289
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: Jails and Tupac we tossed it up. Jay Z we

1290
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: ain't him been and running, I mean good and bad.

1291
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: But he used to go um no, I just says

1292
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: the name he's his name is like wow. They was

1293
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: great and know you know two party saying he's the

1294
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: best rap all time. Tyson had an air and nobody

1295
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: never had before. You know, size Ali most his fight

1296
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: last and on the last five rounds. And jay Z

1297
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: just Sloanjevid and changed the game for us. What do

1298
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: you do off? Not on the MC but what are

1299
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: you doing for helping people? Trying to be fund itself

1300
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: bench businessman ever? And he just he just just he

1301
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: used it from the streets and to get the Hollywood Hollywood,

1302
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: and I ain't looked back. That gave him a lot

1303
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: of credit for that. You said you visited, uh Tupac

1304
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: in jail, No, Tyson Tyson and jail. Yeah, okay, so Tyson,

1305
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, Don King was from o how so he

1306
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: had a farm downe there in Tyson moved up about

1307
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: I guess, say, I'm eight years and I just see

1308
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: him around on the corner shooting dikes and the bars

1309
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: at the party, you know, Tyson, that's what he did.

1310
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: And so we went in. I was going to play

1311
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: Indiana and was in the playoffs. I got in earlier.

1312
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: I called and checked out everything, and so I took

1313
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: a little bill. You just just went in there and

1314
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: they let mean, you know, coming there were sitting talk.

1315
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: We had a long, long talk. They let us state

1316
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: in like X hour comes. I guess because of me,

1317
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, but it was it was, you know, it

1318
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: was sad, you know, to see him locked up like that. Um,

1319
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: we don't know all the you know, Cartier to what happened.

1320
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: But you know, but when they call, you know, they

1321
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: put they closed that door and mean he did something wrong.

1322
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: You know, But I see him all the time to

1323
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: this day, you know, on the wet signing and just

1324
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: being out about you know him, his life now as

1325
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: a whole different brand. You know, re invented that something

1326
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: evented itself and in a good way. You plus four

1327
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: going to the black Top? What other players are you bringing?

1328
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: Plus fours? No are you talking about? Oh so this

1329
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: is basically like when they shot the space jam when

1330
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: MJ had the bubble. So basically it was like the

1331
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: team we had when no like you know, want no score,

1332
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: but guys who get up and play defense. We won

1333
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: because we had a good defensive. Things we made the buckets,

1334
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: We got a good defense, and that we stopping the

1335
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: other team. So we you know, we had a chance

1336
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: to win. But who I'm gonna take on the court

1337
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: with me? And I'm definite gonna take black Um and

1338
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: we got to play on the black top myself, Lebron,

1339
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Shock. I need some deezing, I need

1340
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: another shooter. Probably take Kobe m hm m They say

1341
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: black Kovid Lebron Shock yeah and me. Yeah, I know

1342
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: what kind of music did you to listen to before

1343
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 1: the games? Um? I went to music. I like that.

1344
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: I liked all of it. I ain't had no sunch

1345
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: of type, but I love like Luther OJ's Temp Teddy all.

1346
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: That's um kind of some relaxing ship before you play.

1347
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: Well know what I'm saying. No, I listened to up Temp.

1348
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean I can music don't make me go up

1349
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: but down. You know, some people need to get high,

1350
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: you know. I just I just like it, what's up

1351
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: and playing? But you know bone Thugs from Cleveland, you know,

1352
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: my boys get him a shout out. But I didn't

1353
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: have no really really In the New York it was

1354
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: so much news back then. You know, Chuck d running

1355
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: mc l You know you got higg wasn't it Biggie.

1356
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: You got um a little bit after that huh Wu Tang,

1357
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: a little bit after that little Wood Tang, and then

1358
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: you got um rock Cam and being rock camp. So

1359
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: I got storry about that. I was in Chicago, you know,

1360
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: my second year. I was going to say, I think

1361
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: it's ninety seven. Painting food came out right, So I'm in.

1362
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm got beat him. You know, I got the go

1363
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: from the seats. I got a BM going in the

1364
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: middle of you know, so I'm riding down find the

1365
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: going to back. So a light it's only yellow, but

1366
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: you know it ain't turn in, so I'm going to

1367
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: turn Stop the fucking car. Stop the car, Like, what's

1368
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: going on with I'm just going to stop the fucking car. Man,

1369
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: you don't have to go all like that. And he

1370
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: just kept coxing me on. I got I'm not gonna

1371
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: take but so much really so then another coup. Oh man,

1372
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: that's oh he just went the bull. You know, just

1373
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,560
Speaker 1: should just be happy. I like, man, you know, just

1374
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: almost blew up. It could have been another kid. Almost

1375
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: time I was gone. They were just all extra. But

1376
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,600
Speaker 1: so I went to see the show that was I

1377
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 1: think the first album. It was, you know, a nice

1378
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: little show in Chicago. But I like, like rock kill

1379
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: me just he just delivered, you know. I was just

1380
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: in New York last weekend and had the old school

1381
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 1: show Carries One Slick Wig Um Kane was there, nice

1382
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: and Smooth Kid didn't play. It was mystical. It was

1383
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: nice little show. I was surprised that, you know, but

1384
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: it was a good show. If you could have one

1385
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: guests on this show. Who would it be? But before

1386
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: you answer, you have to help us get your answer.

1387
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: He might be the only person that could be able

1388
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: to get the person. I just hope you say his name. Wow?

1389
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: Is he a rapper? No? You know who? Black? Yes,

1390
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: you might be the only person that could really get

1391
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: him to us too. I mean, I'm still in the

1392
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: family with the shoe deal, but I can't get m

1393
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: on the You might you might break down. He did

1394
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: the four in my books, right, you know, but you know,

1395
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: but that's what I said to right, you know, you

1396
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: know you gotta could do you know what. You gotta

1397
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 1: give your teammate one here and there, right, you know,

1398
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: it might be every teen years, might be you gotta

1399
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: do that one every nothing then. But I'm gonna say

1400
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: this's about about m J. I haven't obviously. When I

1401
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: see him, it's like he ain't like he's seen me yesterday.

1402
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: Every time I see him, it's like he's seen me, yester.

1403
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: And you got a lot of love from me, you

1404
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He got a lot of love

1405
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: from me. But uh, yeah, man, I don't put it

1406
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: in I'm gonna get my wife Angela because she wants

1407
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: the show all the time. And Ab and Arlie they'd

1408
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: be like, they was like, Dad, when you're gonna be

1409
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah, I've been over. They've been telling

1410
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: I had to set it up a couple of times.

1411
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't work in New York. But perfect time.

1412
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,799
Speaker 1: When they want the real smoke, they're gonna call perfect.

1413
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. You know, I got a

1414
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: lot of love for you. Thank you, brother to me

1415
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: about the book one more time. Man, you got to

1416
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,719
Speaker 1: get it. I mean you can't. You would not stop laughing.

1417
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 1: Don't do not drink one. Do not drink one and

1418
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: read this book. But you have to change clothes a

1419
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: couple of times. I'm honored to be in here. I'm

1420
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: in this book, honored, honored to be in this a

1421
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: lot of names. I'm telling you it will be a

1422
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: sequel to it, because oh yeah's just part one. Oh man,

1423
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: this is this is this is going to tempt and

1424
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 1: platinum and going in twenty did we think we thank

1425
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: you for giving us the booking the bust down to

1426
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: my flights and ain't gonna I'm telling you got to

1427
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: get for you too, though. Okay, you know we got

1428
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: a new merch out, no doubt. I'm a rocket. Yeah,

1429
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: I already know. You got to make sure you get

1430
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 1: some man. We got the brank this and for stuff.

1431
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,560
Speaker 1: But it's coming. Yeah, I'm gonna make sure I get you.

1432
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: Send me all my stuff from the grills to the

1433
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: T shirts. I got all that stuff. Thanks for the bag,

1434
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: all the smoke dot story, go get it. Y'all coming

1435
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: with it. Yes, sir, I'm gonna cut my hair next week.

1436
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 1: I'm away. I'm a posted. It's a snapback, So you're good.

1437
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: Well oak Man. We appreciate your timeations on the book

1438
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: and more books to come. Continue, come back soon. We're

1439
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: talking about these these people out here. Yes, I don't

1440
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: mind talking about it. That's a wrap all the Smoke.

1441
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: Special guests Charles Oakley, make sure you go get this

1442
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 1: book right now. You can catch us on Showtime, Basketball,

1443
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:48,240
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1444
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,879
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01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,800
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