1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: This is the Action Network podcast, but this one is good. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: All right. Here we go throwing in so spec I'm 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: saying it to cash touchtop. 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: We see most gamblers when they go to gamble, they 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: go to Wind. 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: That's incredible, big banks, ball bank. I like to make money. 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: All right, This is the ultimate KABA and we are underway. 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the Action Network Podcast. I'm your host, 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 2: Brandon Anderson here with Raheem Palmer. After a very wild 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: and a full week, eleven bad day to be a 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: first place team in your division. The Bills lost, the 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: Titans loss, the Packers and Cowboys lost. Apparently, the only 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: way you can win your division today is you start 14 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: your backup. Colt McCoy and Tyler Huntley got the wins. Raheem, 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: are there any good teams in the NFL this year? 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: I think there's good teams. 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: I just don't think that there's that elite team that 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: totally stands out from the rest of these teams. 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the NFL. 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: I think we see this on a regular basis, but 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: I think this year it's it's even more extreme. 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: So, I mean it's really interesting. He it's very interesting. 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: Aaron Schatz at Football Outsiders, that's where they do the 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: DVA numbers. He tweeted out that this is only the 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: second season since nineteen eighty eight that there's no team 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: with a thirty percent DVOA or better. I know that 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: number doesn't mean too much, but basically just saying there's 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: nobody that we know for sure is good. Like you 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: want your number to be very high, and there's just 30 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: no standout. Even the Bills who were number one DVOA 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: and then lost so badly today might still be number 32 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: one DVA when the number is clear tomorrow because there's 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: just nobody else to replace them. Right now as I'm 34 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: looking at this at bt MGM, the official odds provider 35 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: for our podcast, as all is, nine teams have Super 36 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: Bowl at twelve to one or shorter. Nine quarterbacks have 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: MVP odds at fourteen to one or shorter. We'll get 38 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 2: into all of it. We will do our recap like usual, 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: we'll preview Monday Night football and do our week twelve 40 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: hot read and a little bonus for you guys. Today 41 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: we are off where hum and I are off this 42 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: Friday for Thanksgiving. 43 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: You'll still have a six pack later in the week. 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: But since we're off 'erehem and I are going to 45 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: finish with a little bonus hot read a little bonus 46 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: hot Thanksgiving meal for you at the end of our podcast. 47 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 2: Take a look at those games for you too. So 48 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: let's dig in right away. We're gonna whip through some 49 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: of these games. Hopefully we'll start out where we finish 50 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: the night with that wild Steelers Chargers shootout. About halfway through, 51 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: I thought we'd be able to just kind of skip 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: right over this one. It looked like the Chargers are 53 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: running away with it. And then man, the Chargers chargers 54 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: so hard. We thought the Chargers were done chargers ing 55 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: this year, and they tried to give that away. They 56 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: had the block punt, they had the tipped interception, Steelers 57 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: come all the way back. Chargers win. Anyway, what's your 58 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: big takeaway from this game? 59 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: My big takeaway from this game is that the Steelers 60 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: defense isn't the same defense that we've seen the last 61 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: couple of years. Obviously, they could be scored upon, and 62 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: this Chargers team, as much as we wanted them to 63 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: be different under Brandon Staley, they're the same Chargers team 64 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: that's going to break your heart. I mean, obviously he 65 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: pulled it out, but they're gonna charge her as much 66 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 3: as they can charge. 67 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think my takeaway I agree with that. 68 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: You know, this is a great game to test. Were 69 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: you watching the game when you check the box score stats, 70 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: Cameron Hayward was absolute just stud just everywhere in this game, 71 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: just wreaking havoc on the line. You check the line, 72 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: two tackles, one pass defense, you never know. He was 73 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: barely even out there, but it was like him and 74 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: a bunch of high schoolers playing defense in this game. 75 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: Because the Steelers were so short, TJ. A. 76 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: Watta is out, making Fitzpatrick is out like directly cost 77 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: them the game. Fitzpatrick would never have been up that 78 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: long Mike Williams touchdown at the end. 79 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: So a weird game. 80 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: My big takeaway here, I know that it kind of 81 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: got wonkylight justin. 82 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: Herbert was incredible this game. 83 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: Like all the praise we heaped on Herbert early in 84 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: the year that was a little too early. This was 85 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: the one like last week when I talked about Herbert 86 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: as a top five quarterback. 87 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: And maybe it was early, but this is the reason. 88 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: A game like this where Herbert is just dealing, he 89 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: was hitting tight windows. He ran for almost one hundred yards. 90 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: Felt like every third down Herbert made the play, and 91 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: in a weird, wild game, it felt like Herbert just 92 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: was the MVP of the game and willed the team 93 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: to victory, just won it himself. 94 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I totally agree with that. Obviously. 95 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: You look at the numbers. 96 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: Thirty or forty one, three hundred and eighty two yards, 97 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: three touchdowns, and then one pick was just it was 98 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 3: it was a fluke. So this guy, he's absolutely incredible. 99 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: He had a total EPA of twenty three point four. 100 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 3: This guy, you have a quarterback like this just set 101 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: up for the next ten to fifteen years, so they're 102 00:04:58,800 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: in good shape. 103 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: Herbert was zero point four to four EPA per play, 104 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: which is already very good on late downs, third and 105 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: fourth down one point two to three EPA per play 106 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: for Justin Herbert. So yeah, that's that's gonna get the 107 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: job done pretty well. He had that big late touchdown 108 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: on Mike Williams when they finally let him actually throw 109 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: down field. My guy, Austin Eckler. Four touchdowns, not even 110 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: the best fantasy performance of the day, just just a 111 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: wild game. 112 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: That the first half flew by, we had six drives. 113 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: Basically the second half we had fifteen drives, just back 114 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: and forth. NBC literally ran out of commercials. We went 115 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: to the two minute warning. They're like, we'll just stay here. 116 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: We don't have any commercials left and stock like, when 117 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: does television run out of commercials? Just crazy Chargers five 118 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five yards to three hundred yards. 119 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: So this is a game. 120 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: They dominate every facet. They averaged eight yards of play 121 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: until the kneel downs at the end, and so they 122 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: really should have won big and they were most of 123 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: the way. 124 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. 125 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 2: I did enjoy, well, I didn't enjoy. So you know, 126 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: I had a cold Steelers money line parlot. This was 127 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: my double upset special. Ten to one didn't come through 128 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: for me. I also added in Texans for another three 129 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: way money line special at what was a forty six 130 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: to one, a little bit smaller. I thought I had it. 131 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: I thought we came all the way back. I probably 132 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: should have hatched out or cashed. 133 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: Out along the way. 134 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 2: Big Brand, Big Ben, staying on brand fourth and thirty two, 135 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 2: last play of the game, throws a five yard checkdown 136 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 2: and that's it. So that's pretty much the old Steelers 137 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 2: that we saw along the way. 138 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: You got anything else on this one. It's gonna be interesting. 139 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: The City charges next week. 140 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: I got a divisional opponent, same with the Steelers, so 141 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. 142 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: So as we were wrapping up this wild day of football, 143 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so what all happened again today? 144 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: Oh? 145 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: That's right, my Minnesota Vikings beat the Packers. I legitimately forgot. 146 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: It was so long ago and there's so much that happened. 147 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: That was a back and forth game. Vikings win thirty 148 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: four to thirty one. You know, the line was basically 149 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: made this close to a pick'em, and that's how the 150 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: game played out. It was back and forth and Kirk 151 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: Cousins and Aaron Rodgers just dealing. Both of them were 152 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: incredible in this game. This was a true who has 153 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: the ball last wins the game. The Vikings actually did it. 154 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: They actually fell down inside the ten and made sure 155 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: that mister Rogers didn't get the ball anymore. They actually 156 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: made the field goal and they got the lokoff. When 157 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: I'm proud of my Vikings. You got me on this one. 158 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: You're all over Minnesota. 159 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like I mean, I love Minnesota. Last week 160 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: I actually gave it out. Here were some threes in 161 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: the market early on. I told you guys, grab a three. 162 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: So hopefully you guys grabbed it, but you didn't need it. 163 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: I mean, we look at this Minnesota Vikings team. They've 164 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: been absolutely dominated and they led by seven points in 165 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: every single game this year. This game it was no different. 166 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: Like when you look at Justin Jefferson. He was an 167 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: absolute stud in his game. He had one hundred yards 168 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: receiving at the end of the first cool. Everything you 169 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: wanted from a receiver you got from Justin Jefferson. I 170 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: think the one takeaway for this game is that Minnesota 171 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: still can't hold onto leads. And I don't know what 172 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: it is, but when you look at their numbers this year, 173 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 3: they're just two and two when leading by thirteen points 174 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: this year, and they had a double digit lead and 175 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: they let Aaron Rodgers come back and take the lead. 176 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: So this Vikings team, to me, I said it before, 177 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 3: I said it on Twitter. If anybody but Mike Zimmer 178 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: was coaching this team, I'd be taking them to win 179 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl. 180 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I have to admit, even though I'm 181 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: a Vikings fan, which automatically makes me a nihilist, and 182 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 2: I assume the worst. I wait for the other shoot 183 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: to drop at all times. Just like ten fifteen minutes ago, 184 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: I was looking at the Super Bowl eyes and I 185 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: was like, you know, if there's nobody that's actually good, 186 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: could the Vikings be the team that's good? 187 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: Like there is room for that. 188 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: Team that gets like some team is gonna get hot, 189 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: and Minnesota certainly has the talent to get hot. The 190 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: Packers obviously have the talent to get hot. Both these 191 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: offenses were going back and forth. I agree, Justin Jefferson 192 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: was incredible in this game. I tweeted out about that too. 193 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: He's playing as well as any receiver in the NFL 194 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: right now. He was at one point seventy five EPA 195 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: per play, get twenty one EPA this game for a 196 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: receiver twenty one. I don't know if I've seen too 197 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: many games like that. They threw him, threw twelve times 198 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: toward him. He ended up drawing a thirty seven yard 199 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: pass interference, so that picked up a first down. Hit 200 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: eight catches for one hundred and six yards and two touchdowns. 201 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: Could have been three. He couldn't quite stretch out that 202 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: last one, but he got real close. Yeah, just an 203 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: incredible game. As a Vikings fan, I was obviously excited. 204 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: I picked the Packers in this one. The one note 205 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: I had I felt very good about everything Packers. The 206 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: one note in my thing said unless Justin Jefferson just 207 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: takes over. And that's what happened this game. He just 208 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 2: he took over, and the Vikings are letting him take 209 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: over too. I'll say this too. The Vikings galaxy brain 210 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: led Aaron Rodgers go deep for that MVS touchdown, get 211 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: the ball out of Rogers hands. All they could do 212 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: is tied up and then the Rodgers never got the 213 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: ball again. That's just next level thinking. 214 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: I think one thing we got to mention is that 215 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 3: over the last three games before this game, and so 216 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 3: last four games last month, really the Packers defense has 217 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: been showing up and they didn't have some of their 218 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: main guys. So if you look over the last month, 219 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: somehow they've gotten better. They Hotel Washington at ten points. 220 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: They held this Arizona Cardal offense to twenty one points, 221 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,599 Speaker 3: the Chiefs to just thirteen points. So a lot of 222 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 3: people were coming in crowning. This team is a championship defense. 223 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 3: And I think the one thing that we saw today 224 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: is we saw some aggression. 225 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: What do you make of it? Because I'm curious with 226 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: shit thoughts on. 227 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: Does that mean, like where what's the credit here? Is 228 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: the credit that have we overrated the Packers defense? Or 229 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: do we have to give credit to the Vikings because 230 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: the passing attack has really been good? And if you 231 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: look at you know, the pfil Ray Pro Football Focus 232 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 2: and the epas, all the fancy ratings love Kirk Cousins 233 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: this year. I don't I'm a Vikings fan, but their 234 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: metrics love him. He's been better than Rodgers by a 235 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: lot of the metrics. So is this that the Packers 236 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: defense has been overrated? Or is this that the Vikings 237 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: just really are that good passing and Jefferson really is 238 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: that good. 239 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both. To me, 240 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I definitely. I think it's definitely a little 241 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: bit of both. 242 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: Some weird plays in this one down the stretch, of course, 243 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: like the Vikings are the new Seahawks, there's just no 244 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: normal games every week. It's something Aaron Rodgers had the 245 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: play where the clock is running down. He tries to 246 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 2: call time out, but they already snapped it. So the 247 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 2: defense sees him trying to call time out and basically 248 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 2: lets up and he throws a touchdown on it, so 249 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: we get that one. Of course, in the final drive, 250 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 2: Vikings is the ball back Kirk throws in interception. I 251 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 2: think on the first play of the drive to Darnell 252 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: Savage gets overturned because it dropped Darnald Savage. 253 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: Big game for him. 254 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: He had that thirty seven yard defensive pass interference hit 255 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: two in or seven I got overturned one by roughing 256 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 2: the passer one on that one. A couple of plays later, 257 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: Kirk throws the ball so badly to Adam Thielen that 258 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: the Green Bay guy ran the route for feeling and 259 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: over ran the route and the ball is behind him 260 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: and Feeling somehow caught it for a big play, just 261 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 2: just purely a who has the ball last game, big loss. 262 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: For Green Bay. 263 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: Elchtin Jenkins their their left guard slash tackle who's been 264 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: filling in for bak Tiari. 265 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: He left hurt. 266 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: It looks like possible acl right as Bachtiari's is maybe 267 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: about to come back. 268 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: So that sucks. 269 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: That's another big name who's played really well for them. 270 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: Rogers is talking too afterward about how he has his 271 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: toe has been an injury. He got stepped on again, 272 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: he's been in pain. So yeah, the Packers, they're playing well. 273 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: They obviously could have won this game. But man, the 274 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: big names, I don't think they're getting a ton of injuries, 275 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: but the key injuries, the key names on the roster 276 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: starting to get a little worrisome. 277 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: How high should I get on my vikings right now? 278 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: So Minnesota is five and five, they're the sixth seed 279 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 2: right now, they're back in the playoffs. Huge game next 280 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: week at San Francisco, who's playing really well. But if 281 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: they get that one Lions, Steelers Bears next, there's a 282 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: real chance here for Minnesota to go on a run 283 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: six to one in the division. Are you sniffering around 284 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: a little bit? Is Minnesota playoff team? What do you 285 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: think is the upside here? 286 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I've been picking Minnesota in almost 287 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: every single week, so you know, I think they are 288 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 3: a playoff team. And then obviously you name your schedule. 289 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: After the forty ninetys, they got the Lions still as 290 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: Bears and Zimmer even with all the defensive losses. They 291 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 3: He's still been able to put together a respectable defense. 292 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, the defense has definitely gotten a lot better even 293 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: with their losses. I think I'm out on the division 294 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: odds still and they're playing well. Minnesota always always struggles 295 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: in Chicago, no matter how badly the Bears are playing. 296 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: Minnesota is gonna have to play in Green Bays still, 297 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 2: and to win the division, they basically have to win 298 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: that game because that would give them the tie break 299 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: were Green Bay and you can't lose that head to head. 300 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: You're better off if you like that. 301 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: Just just play those games, play you know, the underdog odds, 302 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: and you get there. But it you know, I'm a 303 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: little less nihilistic right now than I was yesterday on 304 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 2: my Vikings. Other teams who are nihilistic include the Buffalo Bills. 305 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: We Vikings and Bills fans know what it feels like 306 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: to lose in a. 307 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: Lot of Super Bowls. Buffalo. 308 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: Today, I was all over Indianapolis on this one plus 309 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: seven plus two forty on the money line, and boy, 310 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: I thought the Colts would hang in there and maybe 311 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: win a close one. 312 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: This was not that at all. 313 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: This was a blowout. Colts forty one fifteen. The Colts 314 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: dominated from start to finish. I don't even know where 315 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: to start. Is this more about Indianapolis to you? Or 316 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: is this Buffalo lang and Egg. 317 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 3: We even want to phrase it Buffalo lang at egg 318 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: because when you look at Buffalo schedule, they're just two 319 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 3: and four when they haven't played Miami, the New York 320 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: Jets in the Houston Texas. 321 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: Like, wow, that's certainly a way to frame it. That 322 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: is a rough schedule. You take those games out and 323 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: that is not saying a whole lot about them. 324 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like, how do you even look at Buffalo? 325 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: And when I think the big thing is it appears 326 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,239 Speaker 3: that Josh Allen is his regrets to Josh Allen. 327 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: That we saw his first two years in the league. 328 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: I agree Josh Allen is a rough one for him. 329 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: He had interception early, he had another interception that got 330 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: overturned rightfully so because it hit the ground, another interception late, 331 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: just really missing his guys. He had a few nice throws, 332 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: a nice throw the Digs touchdown, got some late throws 333 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: after the game was basically over. But it's just it's 334 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: too inconsistent and too many misses and yeah, it's this 335 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: is clearly clearly not Josh Allen from last year. Even 336 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: as of an hour ago, Josh Allen still at that 337 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: point was the MVP favorite. 338 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, what are we doing? 339 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: What does Josh Allen have to do to not be 340 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: the MVP favorite. Finally, now Allen is not the MVP favorite. 341 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: Tom Brady has moved into the lead, but Allen's still 342 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: a second. The Bills are still up near the top 343 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: of the rankings. I don't understand it anymore, Like everything 344 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: you just said, how can the Bills still be at 345 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: the top or near the top of the AFC. I 346 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: think they're the second favorite right now in the AFC. 347 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: Josh Allen's the second favorite in the MVP race. How 348 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: far out on Buffalo are you right now? I'm very 349 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: far out. 350 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of it has to do 351 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: with their schedule and this team look their first and 352 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: EPA can play on defense first and successfully. But it 353 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: appears that a lot of this was built on the 354 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: fact that they didn't play a tough schedule. And obviously 355 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: they did take down the Chiefs, so they got they 356 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: got some respect in that regard. But if this offense 357 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: isn't gonna be what it was. Then they're in trouble, 358 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 3: and obviously they have some some key defensive losses. Anytime 359 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 3: you got Jonathan Taylor out there scoring five touchdown four 360 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty five yards is quite telling the 361 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: state of this defense and the coach. Two of sixty 362 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 3: four rushing yards were the most Bills opponed in the 363 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 3: last three season. 364 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think to me, this game tells me a 365 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: lot more about the Bills defense than the offense. Look, 366 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 2: we already knew the offense wasn't great like it was 367 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: a year ago, but the defense came into this one 368 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: number one in the DVO ranking DVOA rankings, and they 369 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: just couldn't get off the field until the Colts took 370 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 2: their starters out. They scored on seven of eight drives. 371 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: They had long drives eleven, ten and fifteen plays. They 372 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: had five scoring drives of fifty seven yards or more. 373 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 2: They just kept just going down the field. Had the 374 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: ball thirty eight minutes, only twenty two for the Bills. 375 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: Because of all that running game, the Bills turned it 376 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 2: over all game. They had four turnovers. Josh Allen couldn't 377 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: make plays. Taylor had the huge game. 378 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: I will say this it it does. 379 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: Feel like the score lopsided itself a little bit more 380 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: than the game actually was. Like, you know, there was 381 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: that play early on the Colts get a field goal, 382 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: kick it off and the Bills got Mackenzie brings the 383 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 2: ball out and literally just trips on the turf, falls 384 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: down and the ball comes out and because no one 385 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: touched him, that's a fumble and the Colts score touchdown 386 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: the next play. 387 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 3: There. 388 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes just everything goes wrong. And before we 389 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: too much overreact to Buffalo, it did seem like this 390 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: wasn't everything goes wrong game, like we're just it feels 391 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 2: like the field is slanted against you and you just 392 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 2: can't quite get up. So I don't know, like this 393 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: is not the Bills are terrible and going to miss 394 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 2: the playoffs. The Bills are actually still favored to win 395 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 2: the division right now, even as hot as New England is, 396 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: but they have lost now three or five. Josh Allen 397 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 2: has thrown six interceptions in those five games. And they 398 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: also this is a team that ranked number one invariance 399 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: the whole season. So when they look good against maybe 400 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 2: the Houstons and the Jets and Miami's of the world. 401 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 2: They look really good, but they have lost to the Colts. 402 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: Now they lost the Titans and the Steelers. That's the 403 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: three toughest opponents. Luckily, they don't really have a great 404 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 2: schedule left, like they have a pretty soft schedule. Saints, Patriots, Bucks, Panthers, 405 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: Patriots and then Falcons Jets at the end, two easy 406 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 2: ones to get the wins they need to into the playoffs. 407 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: They're six and four. They're gonna be in the playoffs. 408 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: They're fine. Those two Patriot games though, that's gonna be 409 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: for the division at this point. You were on that 410 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago and I didn't give it 411 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: much credit. But who would you pick in the division here? 412 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: Would you bet on the Patriots at plus odds or 413 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: would you stick with the Bills. 414 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 3: I'm running with the Patriots. I think the Patriots. To me, 415 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 3: they've shown that they're one of the best defenses in 416 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 3: the league right now. And I know the metrics say 417 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: that the Bills are number one at EPA for play 418 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 3: and number one and success rate, but the Patriots are 419 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: four feit EPA per play, and I don't I just 420 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 3: think this Patriots team, their defense reminds me of the 421 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: early Belichick years in New and for then. I know, 422 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 3: obviously it's a so a lot of people aren't going 423 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: to give him credit, but they picked off every single 424 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: quarterback when the Roston like that, they're playing lights out. 425 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 3: They shut down Cleveland and Cleveland, I mean, regardless of 426 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 3: the injuries that they've had. 427 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski is. 428 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 3: A genius of an offensive coordinator, and obviously he's heads 429 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 3: coach now, but he's a guy who he's not easy 430 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 3: to match up with and completely shut down. That's what 431 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: this Belichick defense did. So I have a lot of 432 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 3: respect for New England. I think Mac Jones is playing 433 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: good football, So I think I think they have a 434 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 3: real shot of winning division. 435 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they have a shot. 436 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: I think I'm going to just pass on playing either 437 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: side right now. I still think the Bills are slightly 438 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 2: the better. Like I think the oltre about right, I 439 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: think the Bills should be slightly favored. I'm certainly not 440 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: betting anything on the Bills right now. I'm not betting 441 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: Josh Allen for MVP. I'm not betting the Bills to 442 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: win the AFC, the Super Bowl. But I don't think 443 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna ready go all in on the Patriots either, 444 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 2: Like I heard some people saying today, are the Patriots 445 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: the team to beat in the AFC? Now, let's let's 446 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: settle down, Like, let's see what happens when the Patriots 447 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: play the Bills and some of these other teams. You know, 448 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: it is just the Falcons, Like it was a nice game, 449 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 2: it was a short week, Like, you give them some credit, 450 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: but let's not give them all the credit in the world, 451 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: especially the way we've seen the season go. You get 452 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: hot for a couple of games, and then you're right 453 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: back to earth after that. So it certainly is interesting. 454 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: We thought it was over a couple of weeks ago. 455 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: We did our mid season review. We didn't really talk 456 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 2: about the division. We basically just kind of gave it 457 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 2: to the Bills. Certainly not over in that way. Titans division. 458 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: The Titans, I think are pretty much still over despite 459 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 2: the Colts getting the big win today and the Titans 460 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 2: took the loss. Not a lot to say on this game, 461 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 2: Houston twenty two to thirteen. Ryan Tannehill just a nightmare. 462 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: Four interceptions, he fumbled twice, Titans turnover on downs twice. 463 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 2: But what's crazy is the Texans were terrible in this game. 464 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: Houston had one hundred and ninety yards of offense. They 465 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: averaged three point one yards per play, Like, could hardly 466 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: have been any worse than this game. And it didn't 467 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: matter that the Titans were just like, nah, now we're 468 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: taking a bye week. We're taking a second bye week 469 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: this year. You have this on Newston. 470 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a fascinating game. 471 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 3: And I think one of the things that was fascinating 472 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: about is that the Titans. 473 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: Had the ball multiple times in the green zone. 474 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 3: It just couldn't score, and it looked like they were 475 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 3: going to pull off a comeback, and then you have 476 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 3: a Ryan Tannehill interception, you just have a turnover on downs. 477 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: It just it's a really bad situation. 478 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 3: And I think the interesting thing is that next week 479 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 3: the New England Patriots are actually laying six points. 480 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: To this Titans team. What do you think about that? 481 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's I mean, my mono actually makes 482 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: it a lot lower, so it just seems to mark it. 483 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: It's really high for me. 484 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that is gonna be You know, 485 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: you and I have talked about fading the Titans all 486 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: year long and I think that this is finally the 487 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: spot where it starts to go the other way a 488 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: little bit, because Mike Rabel is too and zho against 489 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: Bill Belichack beat him in the playoff game. He beat 490 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: him that other big Raley season game. And you know, 491 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 2: the line jumped from three to six based on these 492 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: results today, and I feel like that is a little 493 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: bit closer to a toss up game. Certainly, the Patriots 494 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 2: are the better team and playing better, but are they 495 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: playing six points better? I don't know about that. So yeah, 496 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: I think that was one of the possibilities. We'll get 497 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: to the hot read that was on my list of 498 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 2: possibilities to grab the Titans at six, Except I'm not 499 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: sure I need to hot read it because aren't people 500 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: just gonna bet on the Patriots. 501 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: Won't that one maybe even get the seven? Still, No, 502 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna get the seven. 503 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 3: Were Actually we're actually seeing that lone moved down to 504 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 3: five and a half. Now, Okay, most of the sixes 505 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: are born, so I think the market is too efficient now. 506 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: So it is, But I will say that that is 507 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 2: a line that's begging for people to get their early 508 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: teasers in on New England. I'm not sure i'd be 509 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 2: teasing that one, like that's not necessarily the safeties line 510 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: that you want to get, so I don't know. Texans 511 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: obviously get the cover plus ten plus three seventy five 512 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 2: to the money line. Houston is favored. Next week, the 513 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 2: Houston Texans are favored because they're playing the Jets. So 514 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: good job, New York Jets. Way to be a football team. 515 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: Our big game of the day, we thought was our 516 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: big game of the day, turned out to be a snoozer. 517 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: Chiefs nineteen to nine over the Cowboys. The total finished 518 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: at fifty six. You gave out the under on this one, 519 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: and boy did you get that one right. We didn't 520 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: even get halfway there. So way under Micah Parsons superstar, 521 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 2: huge strip sack, another sack. He's at nineteen percent pressure rate, 522 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: which leads the entire NFL, not for rookies, just everybody. 523 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 2: So I think you go ahead and lock up defensive 524 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: rookie of the year. That's got to be him at 525 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 2: this point, not much offense here. Did you you know 526 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 2: you expected the under? Did you think it'd go this 527 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: far under? No, I didn't think it was going to 528 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: go this far. 529 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: Under. 530 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: I think the Cowboys just didn't have their a game, 531 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: But I also think they were missing too many You 532 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 3: can't miss this many guys against a solid NFL team. Obviously, 533 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 3: you got Pro Bowl left tackle Tyleran Smith out for 534 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 3: a third straight game. Maari Cooper out, you have gallop. 535 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 3: Actually like come back. It's just this is a team 536 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: that's supposed to, you know, actually dominate with their three 537 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 3: wide receivers, said, I thought they would be able to 538 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: run the ball a lot better. I think that's the 539 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 3: one thing that I expected the Cowboys to do. I 540 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 3: expect them to keep Patrick Holmes off the field. So 541 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: that's why I like the under. But that kind of 542 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 3: just didn't end. 543 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: It didn't. 544 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: The Cowboys had one rushing first down the entire game, 545 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: and you know, we talked about that before and when 546 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: we previewed this game, you brought up the Cowboys running 547 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: all over them, and it almost said something because I 548 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 2: hadn't noticed for the last month or so, Cowboys rushing 549 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: EPA has really been like below average and closer to 550 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: the bottom of the league. I was just like, yeah, 551 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: but it's the Cowboys. Their line is so good and 552 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: Zeke and Pollard. I just didn't believe the numbers that 553 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 2: I saw, and the Chiefs defense has been so bad. 554 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: It just felt like the Cowboys that are all over them. 555 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 2: But there's a concern. Dallas had six three and outs today, 556 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: they're all in the red zone. That three turnovers. This 557 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: couldn't get anything going. And now you have to say, Okay, 558 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: so that game against the Broncos two weeks ago where 559 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 2: they couldn't move the ball or scoring that one either, 560 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: like we kind of checked that up to Dak was 561 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 2: just rusty and it's fine now. But this is two 562 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 2: and three weeks. So I don't know if I come 563 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: out of this game being excited about both the defenses. Here, 564 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 2: we knew Dallas the defense was good. They had a 565 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 2: good game for sure. Patrick Mahomes and Dak Prescott both 566 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: kind of bad. They were both negative VPA for the game. 567 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: No touchdowns, three interceptions between them, eight sacks that they took. 568 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: I don't know, do you take more about the offenses 569 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: or defenses from this game. 570 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: I take a lot more from the offenses. Didn't understand 571 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: the coaching for the Cowboys all this season. They've been 572 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: super duper aggressed all this season and this is the 573 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: first game where you're kicking field goals every single. 574 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 3: Like snap, and I just like they point with eight 575 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 3: minutes left down two scores, and it's just like, are 576 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: you not trying to win? Like? 577 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: So I just I just get against the Chiefs. You 578 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: know they took a field goal too down the stretch 579 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: against the Chiefs. I know the Chiefs had not exactly 580 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: been putting up huge points lately, but still, like, what 581 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: are you doing? You got to get some points here 582 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: in Arrowhead? Yeah, the aggression factor wasn't there. The Chiefs 583 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 2: actually ran the ball pretty well in this game. I 584 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: had noted that that was a possible way they could 585 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 2: kind of hang in this game. That Dallas's run defense 586 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: has been beatable, But when do the Chiefs ever run 587 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 2: the ball? 588 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: Like? 589 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: I didn't really think that was gonna be a thing. 590 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 2: They managed to run all right. Chris Jones, by the way, 591 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: had a monster game three and a half sacks, three 592 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 2: quarterback hits, two tackles for a loss. So that is 593 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: big news for the Chiefs that they get him like 594 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: looking like the superstars he certainly has at times. So 595 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 2: after all that, after all of our crying about the Chiefs, 596 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: there's seven and four the leading the division, and they're 597 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: not that far off from the one seat. Their game 598 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 2: out of the one seat, and the AFC is So 599 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: let me just set the stage for AFC. I just 600 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 2: want to hear your thoughts of what you make of it. 601 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: We're not going to go. 602 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: Too far into it. 603 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: Titans are eight and three at the one seed, Ravens 604 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: seven to three are the two seeds. Patriots and Chiefs 605 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: are the three and four seed right now, and then 606 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: you got Bengals, Chargers, Bills are the wild card six 607 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 2: and four. So Buffalo is all the way down to 608 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 2: the seventh seed right now, and then Steelers, Colts, Brown's 609 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: are the three teams out and Raiders Broncos kind of out. 610 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: Of the picture from there. 611 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: So the Chiefs right now have after everything we've seen, 612 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: the Chiefs are the AFC favorites at BETMGM they're plus 613 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: three twenty five. They're the second favorites after all we've 614 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: seen all year. Guess who's back at the top of 615 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl favorites. Why it's the Bucks and the Chiefs. 616 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: The same thing we started with at the very beginning. 617 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: So where are we at? 618 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: Are you in on the Chiefs? 619 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: Is there any AFC team out of that mix that 620 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: you actually want to bet on right now, I. 621 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: Don't those teams. I'm not really crazy about anybody. 622 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: Like you said before, there's no real great team, So 623 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: there's no real great teams. Why not take a flyer 624 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 3: with some of the long shots. I wouldn't mind taking 625 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 3: a flyer with the Patriots at this point in time 626 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 3: based on their defense. But I think the one thing 627 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 3: I really want to talk about is this Chiefs defense 628 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: is really trending up. 629 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: If you look at the. 630 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 3: Last four weeks, their tip for EPA per play for 631 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 3: most of this season they were dead last. 632 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: They're also top ten and success rate as well. 633 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: So I don't know if this is like a Green 634 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 3: Bay Packers thing, but I kind of believe this is 635 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 3: a little bit more than the Green Bay Packers because 636 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: obviously you had guys like Chris Jones come back, and 637 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 3: it's almost apparent that Patrick Mahomes doesn't have to do everything. 638 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: Over the last four weeks, the defense has shown up. 639 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: So I do think you kind of got to give 640 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: this Chiefs team credit and they might be live to 641 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 3: make another run. 642 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we've kind of just credited the defense 643 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: a little bit but now at this point you have 644 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 2: to say, okay, look look what they just said to 645 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 2: the Cowboys who granted her missing tyrons, missing the receivers. 646 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 2: It's not the healthiest team in the world. But look 647 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: what the Cowboys just did a week ago. They just 648 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: put up what like forty four points or something, So 649 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: this is you know, they've been a top five offense 650 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: all year. The chief shut it down. Then flip it. 651 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: Look what the Chiefs did to the Packers and Aaron 652 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: Rodgers And we're like, ah, well, you know Rogers and 653 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: you know they're not healthy. Then look at today Rogers 654 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: unstoppable scoring anytime you want it against a good Vikings defense. 655 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: So at some point we do have to give the 656 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: Chiefs defense some credit, like they're actually showing up against 657 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 2: good offenses and good quarterbacks and just shutting them down. 658 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: I don't know that I would have bet on the 659 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: Chiefs just because the value is gone. Again, Like I 660 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: guess we should have done it. Mahomes was a forty 661 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: to one MVP a couple of weeks ago. The odds 662 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: were there. I agree, if you like a long shot, 663 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: I think this is the chance to grab a long shot. 664 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: Like even looking at the list, I don't know, could 665 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 2: the Colts be the AFC team? Why couldn't the Colts 666 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: be the AFC team? The defense is good, they're running 667 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: the ball so well. The Colt absolutely could be anyone 668 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: else on that list any given day. And right now, 669 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 2: if I look at it, I'm like, I don't want 670 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 2: to bet on the Titans. I don't trust the Ravens. 671 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: I don't want to put my money on the Chiefs 672 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: because the odds aren't there. We had the Bengals, that's 673 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: the five seed. I'm not bet on the Bengals. Like, 674 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 2: if there's a long shot that you like, why couldn't 675 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: it be one of them? So I don't know who 676 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: it is. I'm not sure that it is the Colts, 677 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: but I think that you want to bet on someone 678 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: with those longer odds. 679 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: If there's someone you got your eye on, I gotta 680 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: set up with that. I think you gotta. 681 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 3: You gotta go with a long shot right now, it's 682 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 3: just so much parody this season. You'll be able to 683 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 3: get a Kansas City Chiefs later. 684 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: You don't know, you want to buy high on the 685 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: Chiefs right now? 686 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: Real quick? 687 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 2: Last one go over to the NFC for our stink 688 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 2: of the week. 689 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: Smell it, Smell it smelly. 690 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 3: It's the smell. 691 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: It's quite bungent. Du plug your nose. It's stinks. 692 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 4: This is your stink of the week. 693 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 2: Not the strongest stink of the week we ever had. 694 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: But this week's stink of the week is any of 695 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: us who grabbed the Seahawks early on in the week. 696 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: Seahawks plus two point five early in the week, you 697 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: tease them like I did. You got them up to 698 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: eight and a half. The Seahawks closed at minus four 699 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: and a half because guess what if you got them early, 700 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: You got them before Dandre Hopkins was out, before Cayler 701 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 2: Murray was out. 702 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: The whole line. 703 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: Flipped and then we did the same thing that we've 704 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 2: done how many times now. 705 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: Colt McCoy has done it twice. We flipped the. 706 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 2: Whole line and then you just lose all the closing 707 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 2: value anyways, because Colt McCoy just goes out and apparently 708 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: is the real McCoy and has a huge game. So 709 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: Cooper Rush did that for your guys. We keep having 710 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: this happen where you get all this closing value. 711 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: You feel great. 712 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 2: I think on a teaser you were getting like a 713 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: thirteen points of value here, and it didn't matter. Seahawks 714 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,479 Speaker 2: couldn't even keep it close. In the end, the Cardinals 715 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: win by ten twenty three to thirteen. So Russell Wilson 716 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: had lost only four times by nine or more in 717 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: his career at home by that much. So you have 718 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 2: to light your chances of being able to keep this close. 719 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: But I'm worried. I'm worried about Rouss. It feels like 720 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: he's clearly not healthy, and it sort of feels like 721 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: this is the end of the era in Seattle, do 722 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: you think so? 723 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: I don't want to go as far and say it's 724 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 3: the end of the era, but I think it's pretty 725 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 3: clear that they might actually shut this guy down next week, 726 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 3: and I think you may be actually seeing it from 727 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 3: the line. 728 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: Next week. 729 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 3: They played Washington football team on Monday Night Football and 730 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 3: Seattle was actually opened up as three and a half 731 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 3: point favorites, and now that line is down to one 732 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 3: and a. 733 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: Half two consensus worldwide. 734 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 3: So it wouldn't surprise me if Rush just didn't play 735 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 3: last week like you saw it during the Green Bay 736 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 3: Packers game. It's pretty clear that his finger wasn't the 737 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 3: same he's missing like wide open throws. 738 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: He missed some of the same throws in this game. 739 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 3: He had just a QBR twenty two. He had a 740 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 3: quarterback rating of eighty, just fourteen to twenty six seven yard. 741 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 3: This is not the Russell Wilson and we're used to 742 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 3: actually think they brought him back too soon. But if 743 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 3: you're trying to make a playoff run that you gotta 744 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 3: do what you gotta do. But I think they're gonna 745 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 3: upset this guy there. 746 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think they brought him back too soon. 747 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 2: He's clearly not healthy. He's only scored thirteen points in 748 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: his two games back, his first average, three game losing streak, 749 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 2: negative VPA, second week in a row is just not 750 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: right right now. And you know there were two of 751 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 2: ten and third down. The Seahawks had under twenty minutes 752 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 2: of the ball today the nineteen minutes thirty eight seconds 753 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 2: of possession, So I don't know. If they do shut 754 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 2: it down, I think that's it. I like, I don't 755 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 2: know what Seattle is like. They're training in all their 756 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 2: wrong direction, and I think it might be time to 757 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 2: go on credit the Cardinals too. The defense just got 758 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 2: the job done, and you know they're two and one 759 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 2: now without Kyler Murray. Rough look for Kyler's MVP case. 760 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 2: I think when Colton McCoy can just come in and 761 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 2: get the wins. Arizona nine and two. They're the first 762 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 2: team of the season to hit their over over eight 763 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 2: and a half. I can tell you what. Neither one 764 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: of us had that one. 765 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: Not at all. 766 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 3: I think we were We were expecting them to be 767 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 3: last in the division. I think Cliff Kingsbury has really impressed. 768 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 3: We can't hate on them anymore. Kyler Murray has been 769 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 3: banged He's missed two games, missed a couple of games 770 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 3: this year. 771 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: He's been banged up, and they're just still getting it done. 772 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, nine and two and now heading to the 773 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 2: bye week and Tyler will and Hopkins will have had 774 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 2: a full month to rest and totally get healthy. They 775 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 2: might kind of be the sleeping dogs, you know, as 776 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 2: everyone else keeps losing their games, they're the one team 777 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 2: that's losing their guys and actually hanging around and about 778 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 2: to get them back after a month of rest. So 779 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe this is the Arizona season. We 780 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 2: shall see. Let's run quickly through the rest of Sunday's 781 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 2: action to wrap up the week. Lamark Jackson, of course, 782 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 2: was a late scratch. In Baltimore, Tyler Huntley made his 783 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 2: NFL debut and the Ravens they took them seventy two 784 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 2: yards in five plays for the game winning touchdown. Late 785 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 2: in Chicago sixteen to thirteen, Justin Fields did leave with 786 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 2: a rib injury, noted a Ravens killer. Andy Dalton comes 787 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 2: in and throws three throws two touchdowns, but Bears couldn't 788 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 2: quite finish the job. 789 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: The new look Eagles are rolling. 790 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 2: They beat the Saints forty to twenty nine in a 791 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 2: game that was nothing anywhere near that close. Philly ran 792 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 2: fifty times two hundred and forty two yards. They're up 793 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 2: thirty three to seven heading the fourth quarter. The Saints 794 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 2: are under one hundred yards of offense at that point, 795 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 2: and we got a ton of Trevor Seimian in garbage time. 796 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: Philly looking good. 797 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 2: Cam Neon is back in Carolina, but Taylor Heineke was 798 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 2: back for Washington and looking really good. Two hundred and 799 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 2: six yards and three touchdowns, huge advanced metrics against a 800 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: great Carolina defense. 801 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,240 Speaker 1: He had nineteen EPA. 802 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 2: Twelve yards averaged up the target and twenty three percent 803 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 2: completion over expected. Just a monster game for Heineke, kind 804 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 2: of looking like his guy Brett fare out there scrambling around, 805 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 2: keeping the playoff, making some big plays. Washington beat Carolina 806 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 2: twenty seven to twenty one, another one of those road underdogs, 807 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 2: and Washington actually dominated by a lot more than that, 808 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 2: so big win for them. The Bengals pulled away late 809 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 2: for an easy thirty two to thirteen to win cover 810 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 2: and under against the Raiders. Vegas only had seven third 811 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 2: downs the entire game, and they converted to one of them. 812 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 2: Neither one of these teams at three hundred yards of offense. 813 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 2: Easy win for the Niners and kind of an impressive win. 814 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 2: Is an easy letdown spot going west to East Coast 815 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 2: on a short week, and they just took it to 816 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: the Jaguars thirty to ten under two hundred yards of 817 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 2: offense for Jacksonville. The Dolphins beat the Jets twenty four 818 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 2: to seventeen, with Joe Flacco getting the start in New York. 819 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: Bomber. 820 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 2: If you bet the over forty four and a half. 821 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 2: These teams missed three field goals and went three of 822 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 2: eight in the red zone, and our Guy, our favorite accountant, 823 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 2: Tim Boyle, made his first start for the Lions. We 824 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 2: might get him back on Thanksgiving. Twenty three passes for 825 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 2: seventy seven yards. 826 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: That is not great. 827 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 2: He had a pair of interceptions and unfortunately Baker Mayfield 828 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 2: is only slightly better and the Browns snuck by thirteen 829 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 2: to ten. Detroit did get the cover, two covers in 830 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 2: a row, Lions. 831 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: Let's go. 832 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 2: Let's call that a winning streak. 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We got 868 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 2: Tom and the Giants. The Bucks are at minus ten 869 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 2: and a half. We're at forty nine point five on 870 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: the total, Giants plus four twenty five to the money Lion. 871 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 2: Can the Giants keep us close for Tampa Bay and 872 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 2: Tom Brady? Or is this just gonna be a buck 873 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 2: Steamer off too? 874 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 3: I think the one thing that stands out to me 875 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,720 Speaker 3: is dead when I look at this Tampa Bay Buccaneers defense. 876 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 3: This is not the same defense that they were in 877 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 3: their Super Bowl year, and we saw it over the 878 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 3: last couple of weeks. Taylor Heineken carved this team up. 879 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 3: Is just Trevor Simeon carved this team up. These are 880 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 3: bottom of the barrel quarterbacks. 881 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: And Daniel Jones. 882 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 3: As much as you know people may not like of 883 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 3: He's a guy who can add variants to the game, 884 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 3: and you can add veris to the game. And sa 885 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 3: Kwan Barkley is gonna be able to run on this 886 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 3: defense without lead of day. I think the Giants can 887 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 3: keep it close, but I don't see the Giants stop 888 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 3: at Tampa Bay. 889 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm leaning towards the overt interesting. 890 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 2: So I actually think that the key name for the 891 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 2: Giants in this game is Patrick Graham. Patrick Graham is 892 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 2: a defensive coordinator and I think he's gonna really try 893 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 2: to come after Tom Brady. The pass defense for the 894 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 2: Giants has been number four in EPA for the year, 895 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 2: the defense number seven in e PA, So the Giants 896 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 2: defense has really come around from what we saw early on. 897 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: The run dye is not good. 898 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 2: So I think if Tampa is kind of conservative and 899 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 2: gives the ball to Leonard Fournette, he could have a 900 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 2: big game. But I'm not sure that they're gonna be 901 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 2: willing to do that. 902 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: They're they on this two. 903 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 2: Game losing streak. They're big favorites Monday Night. I think 904 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 2: they're gonna want to lay it up and I don't know. 905 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 2: The Giants pass rush has come around a lot this season. 906 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 2: Azizo Jalai has been a really good rookie for them, 907 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 2: So that's kind of been the formula with Tom Brady 908 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 2: against the Giants. That's the Giants thing is come after Tom. 909 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 2: So here are some of the crazy trends in this game. 910 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 2: So Tom Brady for his lifetime against every team in 911 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 2: the NFL that's not the Giants, one hundred and eighty 912 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 2: one and one twenty two against the spread against the Giants, 913 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 2: two and six against the spread. That includes in two 914 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 2: thousand and seven, they nearly lost the perfect season, remember 915 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 2: right down the stretch. 916 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: Then they did. 917 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 2: Lose the perfect season in the super Bowl. Then they 918 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 2: lost the other super Bowl. Those eight games we've had, 919 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,320 Speaker 2: five of the eight have been within four points. Somehow, 920 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 2: despite all the things Tom has done for two decades, 921 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 2: the Giants are the one team that has his number. 922 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 2: Is that a thing? Is that anything at all? Or 923 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 2: is that completely irrelevant to this? 924 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,720 Speaker 3: I think it's completely irrelevant obviously. These different coaching staffs, 925 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 3: these are different teams. 926 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:52,959 Speaker 1: Like Tom has. 927 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,359 Speaker 3: Played so long that this is almost three different eras. 928 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 3: So I can't really make too much which of it 929 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 3: hit right now? Is there a better time than now 930 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 3: for him to avenge these losses. 931 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,919 Speaker 2: Because he's the favorite for MVP now it's a good 932 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 2: spot for him to you know, every time someone becomes 933 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 2: the favorite MVP for the last month or so, they 934 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 2: go out and lay an eggs. So we'll see if 935 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 2: he continues the trend, hopefully not. You know, I've been 936 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 2: on Brady all season. Here's another trend, a little bit 937 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 2: more relevant maybe, rather than just the mistique of the Giants. 938 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 2: So Brady sixty percent against the spread, fifty five percent 939 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 2: as a double digit favorite, still good, not as good 940 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 2: five and nine against the spread as a night game 941 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 2: double digit favorite. 942 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: So you think in these. 943 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 2: Primetime spots, that's my guy, Tom Brady. But the line 944 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,320 Speaker 2: makes it looks like that those are actually they're inflating 945 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,720 Speaker 2: the lines up and the Bucks or the Brady himself 946 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 2: is not covering. In fact, the last two of those, 947 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 2: of course, have been against the Giants, and the Giants 948 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 2: covered both of them, including against the Bucks last year. 949 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,240 Speaker 2: So I know it's a little crazy. I'm I'm taking 950 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,959 Speaker 2: the mistique. I'm taking the Giants taking the cover here. 951 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 2: We know Danny Jones is a big cover guy on 952 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,240 Speaker 2: the road. I'm just gonna take the mistake. I'm throwing 953 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 2: out all the rest of the logic. I know what 954 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 2: the Bucks can do. I know the Bucks certainly could 955 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,320 Speaker 2: come out and win by like thirty in this game. 956 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the Giants plus ten and a half. 957 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: I'm not mad at it. 958 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 3: I don't have a I don't have enough paint on 959 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 3: the side, but I think I'm a like if I 960 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 3: have to, if i'd roll anything, I'm gonna go with 961 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 3: the over because I don't see the Giants. To me, 962 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 3: if they're gonna cover, they're gonna put up some points. 963 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 3: So I think forty nine fifty where it's at now, 964 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 3: it's a little bit help. 965 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,479 Speaker 1: Hopefully it's a good game. 966 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 2: We got Peyton and Eli in the booth on this one, 967 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 2: So with Tom and with the Giants, you definitely want 968 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 2: to get over to ESPN two and be listening to 969 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 2: what the Mannings have to say. If ever, this is 970 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,359 Speaker 2: the one for that, so I'm looking forward to that. 971 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,240 Speaker 2: Let's get to our week twelve hot read. 972 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 4: Hot Rop booth would say ice rights ice cream. 973 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 2: So we are getting some hot reads here. I know 974 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 2: that you and I both our favorite pick of the 975 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 2: week are the same picks that we gave out on 976 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 2: the look Ahead, but we want you the listeners to 977 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 2: know that we're doubling down on it. 978 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: So you're on the vikings, I'm on the vikings. I'm 979 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: letting you have this one. 980 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 2: Tell me why in Minnesota is still your favorite hot read. 981 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 3: Look, my model makes this game closer to a pick 982 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 3: them than the two and a half it's in the 983 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 3: market right now. I have so much respect for this 984 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 3: Vikings team. They can run the ball, they can pass 985 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,240 Speaker 3: the ball. The defense has been putting it together. Also, 986 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 3: as always, what do you want to do when you're 987 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 3: playing the forty nine ers? You want to fade Kyle 988 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,800 Speaker 3: Shanahan as a favorite. He hasn't been great as a favorite, 989 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 3: so I'm fading him in that spot. This forty nine 990 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 3: or secondary is still leaking. I don't expect them to 991 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 3: be able to slow down. Justin Jefferson and feeling so 992 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 3: at plus two and a half, I think this is 993 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 3: a positive expective value proposition. 994 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I let you have the Vikings on 995 00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: the look ahead. I'm letting you have them here, but 996 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: I am them all the way. 997 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 2: And I don't know Alwa's back the Vikings as you know, 998 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 2: but short road dog trends that favors Minnesota. The other 999 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 2: thing too, the Niners pass defense has not been great 1000 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 2: this year. Justin Jefferson's gonna light those guys up. If 1001 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 2: they keep throwing it to him the way that. 1002 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 1: They have been. 1003 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 2: And I can't believe that the Vikings go out and 1004 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 2: beat the Packers and look so good on offense and 1005 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 2: this line actually like moves slightly away from them here. 1006 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 2: I think it's an overreaction to the Niners. You know, 1007 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 2: so they beat the Jaguars like it's urban Meyer, Well, 1008 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 2: who cares? Like what are we really making of that? 1009 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 2: Like credit for not losing, but we're really gonna push 1010 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 2: the line away from them for that? 1011 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: I don't buy it. So we're both on the Vikings. 1012 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 2: My other pick that I gave out on the look 1013 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 2: Ahead last week was the Eagles. 1014 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 1: And same thing. I'm coming back Eagles. 1015 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 2: I'm still seeing some two and a half a two 1016 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 2: point five favorite at New York Giants. I understand the 1017 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 2: Eagles are clobbering teams right now, and they're running all 1018 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 2: over teams like forty something yard or forty something rush 1019 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 2: is a game. The Giants are thirtieth in run defense 1020 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 2: on DVOA. 1021 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: They can't stop the run. 1022 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 2: And look, we talked about Saints Eagles this week, and 1023 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,799 Speaker 2: you like the Saints because their run defense was so good. 1024 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 2: It was the wrong matchup for the Eagles. The Giants 1025 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 2: are the right matchup for the Eagles, Like, this is 1026 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 2: not the team you want to play if you can't 1027 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 2: be a stop on the run right now. So I 1028 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 2: don't understand it at all. The Eagles are playing so well. 1029 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 2: Jalen Hursts is looking great right now. Giants will be 1030 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 2: on a short week, can't stop the run. I love 1031 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 2: the Eagles on the spot. 1032 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm not mad at this at all. 1033 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 3: Interesting thing about this matchup against the Saints is that 1034 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 3: the Saints were the right matchup the first and Russian defense, 1035 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 3: and the Eagles still went out there and rushed for 1036 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 3: two hundred and forty two yards. What is the Giants 1037 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 3: gonna do? They gotta deal with the Eagles on a 1038 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 3: short week, right after dealing with Tom Brady and Tampa 1039 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 3: Bay Buccaneers. 1040 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 1: So this is a good spot for the Eagles, all right. 1041 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 2: I know you were debating beween a few other hot 1042 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 2: read options. What is your second hot reader going to 1043 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 2: go with? 1044 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 4: There? 1045 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna buy low on the Los Angeles Rams. This 1046 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 3: side is sitting at plus two plus two and a half, 1047 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 3: essentially getting bet down on some one and a halfs 1048 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,359 Speaker 3: in the market, but I don't think the Packers should 1049 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 3: be favored in this spot. Like when you look at 1050 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,800 Speaker 3: some of the injuries that they're dealing with. Aaron Jones, 1051 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers has a toe injury. I think this team 1052 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 3: just needs to get to the buy. The Rams are 1053 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 3: coming off their buy week. Obviously they got beat down 1054 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,319 Speaker 3: by the forty nine ers, but I think it's the 1055 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 3: perfect spot to buy low on this team. Like we 1056 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 3: said before, the Packers defense, they've been overperforming. They lost 1057 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 3: a lot of their best players, and then somehow they. 1058 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:46,919 Speaker 1: Were performing better. 1059 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 3: And I think what we saw today was more indicative 1060 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 3: about who they are. 1061 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to Rams plus two. 1062 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have a good read on that game yet, 1063 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 2: but that's a big game. It's certainly our big game 1064 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,279 Speaker 2: of the week. That ifc it's very interesting. You do 1065 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 2: not want to even if you win your division, you 1066 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 2: don't want to be the fourth division winner because if 1067 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 2: you are, like look the other teams either get to 1068 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 2: buy if you're number one, or you play Minnesota or 1069 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 2: Philly or San fran or New Orleans or Carolina. If 1070 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,479 Speaker 2: you're the four seed, you're going to be playing either 1071 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,879 Speaker 2: Arizona or the Rams in the first round. So if 1072 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 2: you're the Rams, you need this win to try to 1073 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,360 Speaker 2: not fall you fall out of the race with the Cardinals. 1074 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,760 Speaker 1: And basically lock into that five seed. 1075 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 2: And if you're the Bucks on Monday night, you're the 1076 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 2: Packers in this game, you don't want to be slipping 1077 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,240 Speaker 2: down to that four seed. 1078 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: Otherwise you have by far. Like that's the marquee. 1079 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 2: Round one playoff game is whoever the NFC five seed 1080 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 2: is playing. So it's a big game. I'm excited for it. 1081 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 2: I don't have a great read on it, but I 1082 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 2: can't wait to watch. I am going back to the 1083 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 2: well that we've gone too often this season. I'm gonna 1084 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,240 Speaker 2: stay in Pennsylvania. I'm taking the Steelers on the road 1085 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 2: in another underdog spot. They're plus four and a half 1086 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,359 Speaker 2: bus four some books against the Bengals. Look big Ben 1087 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 2: is twenty four and nine against the Bengals in our 1088 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,360 Speaker 2: bet lab system. He's twelve and four against the spread 1089 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,920 Speaker 2: as far back as we have it for them. So 1090 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 2: I just think I can't believe that the Bengals are 1091 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 2: favored by so much. I know that there's a lot 1092 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 2: of injury question marks with the Steelers. The line is 1093 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,839 Speaker 2: banged up. Naja Harris left with the concussion and came back, 1094 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 2: and I think he's fine. Mika Fitzpatrick is in COVID protocol, 1095 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 2: but he should be cleared by then. I don't know 1096 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 2: that TG a lot will play. He probably won't, I 1097 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,919 Speaker 2: would guess. And you know, the Steelers defense wasn't great tonight. 1098 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 2: We talked about how well the Charges look, but this 1099 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 2: is the Mike Tomlin thing. Sixty seven percent cover rate 1100 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 2: as an underdog, almost half of the over half the 1101 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 2: games he's won straight up as a dog. 1102 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 1: Just look what we saw tonight. 1103 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,440 Speaker 2: They find a way they make those wonky plays or 1104 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 2: tip drills or whatever. Big Ben actually kind of look 1105 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,879 Speaker 2: decent tonight, and I think the Bengals it's an overreaction. 1106 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,360 Speaker 1: They beat the Raiders, so it kind of falling apart lately. 1107 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 2: They don't look good at all out of the bye week, 1108 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,400 Speaker 2: and the Bengals really were kind of close until pulling 1109 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:04,920 Speaker 2: away late. 1110 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,400 Speaker 1: So I don't know that i'd even make the Bengals 1111 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 1: favorite at all. Here. 1112 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,879 Speaker 2: Certainly when you're getting over a field goal, I think 1113 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,360 Speaker 2: this is insane. So it's another Steelers underdog spot. I 1114 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,120 Speaker 2: gotta grab them again, when. 1115 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 3: I look at the numbers in terms of power rating 1116 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,479 Speaker 3: rank these I pretty much had these teams the same. 1117 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 3: So at four and a half five, I think you're 1118 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,279 Speaker 3: getting some value and the stillers, like you said, I 1119 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 3: sat down and watched this Bengals game and it was 1120 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,359 Speaker 3: actually six to three. It looked like the Raiders were 1121 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,600 Speaker 3: about to get off the field and the Raiders just 1122 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,360 Speaker 3: had penalty. It just killed themselves with penalties. The Bengals 1123 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 3: scored a touchdown before the half. They never really looked 1124 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 3: back and a lot of it was penalties. A lot 1125 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,760 Speaker 3: of it was the Raiders being undisciplined, but they actually 1126 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 3: put some pressure on Burrow. And I think that's where 1127 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 3: Burrow is going to struggle here because this offensive line 1128 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:54,880 Speaker 3: isn't the best. 1129 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 2: I agree with you want this week all right, Well 1130 00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 2: that's going to wrap up our week twelve hot reads. 1131 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,879 Speaker 2: Because Raheem and I are not here on Friday, We're 1132 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,320 Speaker 2: gonna give you a little bonus hot read a little 1133 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,080 Speaker 2: bonus hot Thanksgiving read some hot turkey hot stuff in 1134 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,160 Speaker 2: mashed potatoes and gravy. We're gonna set you up for Thursday. 1135 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,920 Speaker 2: Just quickly, look at our Thursday games. All six teams 1136 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 2: playing on Thanksgiving lost today, so they are ready to 1137 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 2: get a win. Like, give me some teams ready to 1138 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 2: get back on the field. So I look through our 1139 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,359 Speaker 2: action labs here and found some trends. If you are 1140 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,400 Speaker 2: the public and you like to just bet on favorites, 1141 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,360 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving is the day for you to bet on football, 1142 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,200 Speaker 2: because since two thousand and five, that's what all these 1143 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 2: trends are. Favorites on Thanksgiving are thirty two and fourteen 1144 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 2: against the spread, covering seventy percent of the time. Road 1145 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,400 Speaker 2: favorites playing the Lions are ten and two against the 1146 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 2: spread and twelve and oho straight up. They're covering by 1147 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,319 Speaker 2: almost ten points a game, So you'll like to be 1148 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,279 Speaker 2: a road favorite against Detroit if you are better with 1149 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,960 Speaker 2: the public. If a side is a favorite and getting 1150 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,440 Speaker 2: at least fifty seven percent of the bets on the 1151 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,839 Speaker 2: spread twenty four and seven seventy seven percent cover rate. 1152 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,320 Speaker 2: If you are a big favorite, favorites of a touchdown 1153 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,719 Speaker 2: or more since two thousand and five on Thanksgiving sixteen 1154 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,120 Speaker 2: and three against the spread, so they are not really 1155 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 2: getting upset there, big cover covering by eight points a game. 1156 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,279 Speaker 2: Last one night favorite since we added that night game 1157 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,480 Speaker 2: ten and four against the spread, so basically almost entirely 1158 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,359 Speaker 2: across the board, bet your favorites on Thanksgiving, so say 1159 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,400 Speaker 2: the spreads. So let's just quickly look at each of 1160 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,080 Speaker 2: these three games. I gotta admit it's not the kindest 1161 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,279 Speaker 2: schedule in the world. There's going to be a lot 1162 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,319 Speaker 2: of trip to fan naps, I think during some of 1163 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,240 Speaker 2: these games. But you know it's the Lions. We always 1164 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,439 Speaker 2: get the Lions. We know the dwell. So Bear's at 1165 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,640 Speaker 2: Lions in the opener, Bears minus three and a half 1166 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,200 Speaker 2: on the road in Detroit. 1167 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,799 Speaker 1: What do you think about this one? We're here. 1168 00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,799 Speaker 3: I think you go Lions money line. When you look 1169 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 3: this Bears team, they laid it all on the line. 1170 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,520 Speaker 3: I guess this Ravens team they struggled with the Ravens backup, 1171 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:10,160 Speaker 3: and look the Bears a bank guy. The injuries are 1172 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,759 Speaker 3: just rampant, and the one thing you can say about 1173 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,760 Speaker 3: this Lions team is that they're playing hard for their coach. Now, 1174 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,640 Speaker 3: obviously you want to see the injury report. Is golf playing, 1175 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,919 Speaker 3: But even if golf is playing, I don't know if 1176 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:24,800 Speaker 3: there's that much of a downgrade. 1177 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: So I'm looking to take the line. I think his 1178 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 1: Lions are passed. I don't. I don't necessarily want to 1179 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 1: be laying three and a half of the Bears at 1180 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:33,520 Speaker 1: this point in time. 1181 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,160 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily want to lay three and a half 1182 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,279 Speaker 2: on the Bears, but I do want to play the 1183 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,799 Speaker 2: Bears here. I'm gonna wait and hope that I get 1184 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,080 Speaker 2: back to a field goal. I played it before today 1185 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 2: out of field goal already. I do think that the 1186 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,520 Speaker 2: Lion's going to move towards Detroit, just as the Thanksgiving 1187 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,240 Speaker 2: home underdog, you know the injury news Jared Goff maybe 1188 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,719 Speaker 2: could be back. I think Boyle probably plays the Lions 1189 00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,000 Speaker 2: look awful for about two and a half quarters today 1190 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 2: and ripped off a long run and suddenly. 1191 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,320 Speaker 1: Like, oh they only lost by three. 1192 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 2: But they only lost by three to a terrible looking 1193 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,160 Speaker 2: Browns team, So I think they kind of hung around 1194 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 2: enough to maybe save some value here. If the Bears 1195 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 2: were healthy, I put put them more like six point 1196 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,200 Speaker 2: favorites here. They're obviously not healthy. The defense isn't healthy. 1197 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:19,600 Speaker 2: Justin fields. 1198 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 1: I think is. 1199 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,000 Speaker 2: Probably a doubt to play this one. So we might 1200 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,640 Speaker 2: start our Thanksgiving off with Andy Dalton and Tim Boyle 1201 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,439 Speaker 2: hooray for us. The Lions lost another guard, so they're 1202 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,600 Speaker 2: down three starting offensive lignment. 1203 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:32,839 Speaker 1: Now, and the Bears too. 1204 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,400 Speaker 2: The Bears have won six of seven against the Lions, 1205 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,320 Speaker 2: including three in a row in Detroit, two of those 1206 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,000 Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving, so I just I have to trust the 1207 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,200 Speaker 2: trends here again. Road favorites on Thanksgiving in Detroit are 1208 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,440 Speaker 2: ten and two against the spread. The Detroit is okay 1209 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,319 Speaker 2: if they're favored, but when the Lions aren't good, they're 1210 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,640 Speaker 2: not good on Thanksgiving either. So I'm gonna take Chicago. 1211 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,319 Speaker 2: I will wait, though, and hope that I might get 1212 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,920 Speaker 2: this back down to three, depending on where the news goes. 1213 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,719 Speaker 2: Your Cowboys at Home, of course, as always, I'm sure 1214 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,439 Speaker 2: we're gonna get that Red Salvation ARMI bucket, We're gonna 1215 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,839 Speaker 2: get Ezekiel Elliott jumping in trying to eat a little 1216 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 2: cereal out of there. Cowboys at Home minus seven seven 1217 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,759 Speaker 2: and a half, depending on your book Home against the 1218 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,920 Speaker 2: Raiders who are fading fast? 1219 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 1: Do you like your cowboys here? 1220 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,480 Speaker 3: I think this line is a tad bit too high 1221 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,440 Speaker 3: at seven and a half. I really want to be 1222 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,520 Speaker 3: looking towards the Raiders in this matchup, and I think 1223 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,600 Speaker 3: a lot of it has to do with the Cowboys injury. 1224 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,800 Speaker 3: I think you want to look at that injury report 1225 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,879 Speaker 3: before you get into anything. It's Tyron Smith going to play? 1226 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,040 Speaker 3: Is Marie Cooper gonna play. It's just there's just a 1227 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,279 Speaker 3: lot of things that I'm concerned about with the Cowboys 1228 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,319 Speaker 3: on a short week. Obviously, the Chiefs game was the 1229 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,960 Speaker 3: start of a three games and twelve day span for 1230 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,200 Speaker 3: the Cowboys. The Cowboys normally show up on Thanksgiving, but 1231 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:53,720 Speaker 3: I think you're gonna have a lot of the public 1232 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,479 Speaker 3: when the Cowboys. They started off the season with six 1233 00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,080 Speaker 3: straight covers, and I think now the market is starting 1234 00:56:59,080 --> 00:56:59,919 Speaker 3: to catch up with them. 1235 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,040 Speaker 1: So I'm looking towards the. 1236 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,239 Speaker 3: Raiders here, even though they'd been kind of in a 1237 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,040 Speaker 3: tail spin. So I'm not really crazy about it. But 1238 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,360 Speaker 3: if I got chose a sample with Raders, yeah. 1239 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 2: I think of the three, this is the one that 1240 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 2: I'm the most tepid about betting. If you are betting 1241 00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,000 Speaker 2: the Thanksgiving trends, you mostly like the Cowboys here. Now, 1242 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 2: I mentioned before that you bet the favorites on Thanksgiving 1243 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,880 Speaker 2: almost all is the almost is because of the Cowboys. 1244 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,800 Speaker 2: Dallas as a Thanksgiving favorite is only five and seven. 1245 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,160 Speaker 2: All other teams in the NFL as favorites on Thanksgiving 1246 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,080 Speaker 2: are twenty seven and seven against the spread, so you 1247 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,480 Speaker 2: got to be careful with Dallas. However, Dallas is a 1248 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,000 Speaker 2: touchdown favor We said that sixteen and three. Ats Also, 1249 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,880 Speaker 2: the Raiders are coming out a two game home streak, 1250 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,520 Speaker 2: playing on Thursday night, Thanksgiving or not, that does not go. 1251 00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,440 Speaker 1: Well for teams. Usually teams on that. 1252 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,800 Speaker 2: Spot on the short week, you know, traveling fifteen and 1253 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,680 Speaker 2: thirty against the spread. The Raiders have lost three in 1254 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,520 Speaker 2: a row coming out of the bye week. They've scored sixteen, 1255 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,600 Speaker 2: fourteen and thirteen. They're not scoring. So what I think 1256 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,840 Speaker 2: we're going to see in this game is not a 1257 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,720 Speaker 2: fun game. I don't think we're gona get much fun 1258 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:11,000 Speaker 2: football on Thanksgiving. But I think that Dallas's defense actually 1259 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,160 Speaker 2: is the reason why I'm going to take the Cowboys here. 1260 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,160 Speaker 2: I would say to'll wait because you hope that maybe 1261 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,040 Speaker 2: the line comes down a little bit. Maybe if you 1262 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,120 Speaker 2: can't get that seven, try to wait for the seven. 1263 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,080 Speaker 2: I don't think Amari Cooper is going to be out 1264 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,560 Speaker 2: of COVID protocol. I don't think Ceedee Lamb is going 1265 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,680 Speaker 2: to play and in the concussion and protocol, so you 1266 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,840 Speaker 2: might get some injury news that move it that way. 1267 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,800 Speaker 2: But you know, you know the public money's coming in 1268 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,880 Speaker 2: on Dallas. But then again, if it does, that's another 1269 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,600 Speaker 2: trend that Thanksgiving likes. 1270 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,840 Speaker 1: So I'm a little leery. 1271 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,960 Speaker 2: I lean Cowboys on this one, but it's it's definitely 1272 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,880 Speaker 2: just playing the trends more than the injury news. 1273 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is a very tough game. I think 1274 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,040 Speaker 1: a lot of it with this one. You're gonna have 1275 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,480 Speaker 1: to wait for the injury news before anything, I think so. 1276 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,040 Speaker 2: And a short week obviously too, so it should be 1277 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,400 Speaker 2: you might have to wait right up until kickoff. Got 1278 00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,919 Speaker 2: to get your phone like underneath the table while Graham 1279 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 2: was passing the stuff, and get that bet in right 1280 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 2: before get the kickoff there? All right, last one Thursday 1281 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,680 Speaker 2: night before you head out and do your Black Friday shopping. 1282 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,000 Speaker 2: The Buffalo Bills are four point favorites on the road 1283 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,440 Speaker 2: in New Orleans taking on the Saints. Bill's looking to 1284 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,040 Speaker 2: bounce back, although I guess every team on Thanksgiving is 1285 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,520 Speaker 2: looking to bounce back. So Freim, do you like Buffalo 1286 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,640 Speaker 2: on the road here or do you think New Orleans 1287 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,360 Speaker 2: holds Sport at home. 1288 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,200 Speaker 3: I think this is the ideal Bilo spot for Buffalo. 1289 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,560 Speaker 3: As much as I trashed your defense earlier, they were 1290 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 3: playing Frank Wright in this coach's offense, which you know, 1291 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,800 Speaker 3: really has played well over the last month, month and 1292 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,680 Speaker 3: a half since Carson Wentz, you know, recovered from COVID. 1293 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,080 Speaker 3: My biggest thing is that I think Trevor Simion is 1294 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,080 Speaker 3: a real issue for this Saints team. I thought we 1295 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,240 Speaker 3: would see more Taysom Hill. I want to see the 1296 00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,560 Speaker 3: injury report because in this Eagles game they were missing 1297 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,400 Speaker 3: a ton of linemen. They were miss Alva Kamara, so 1298 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,640 Speaker 3: that's gonna be big for this match up. I'm leaving 1299 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:04,400 Speaker 3: Buffalo here. 1300 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Buffalo here a lot, especially because of 1301 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,960 Speaker 2: the short week. You know, we've been miss Kamara now 1302 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,560 Speaker 2: a couple of games. You have to think he's unlikely 1303 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,080 Speaker 2: to go on a short week again. And yeah, Buffalo, 1304 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,280 Speaker 2: their defense looked really bad today. The Colts are pretty 1305 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,360 Speaker 2: good though. The Saints offense is not the Colts offense. 1306 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,040 Speaker 2: And much as we can dump on my guy Carson Wentz, 1307 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,560 Speaker 2: Trevor Simion is not Carson Wentz, so we're seeing lately 1308 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,520 Speaker 2: why Trevor Simeon is a journeyman and why he was 1309 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,240 Speaker 2: the third string guy. So I just I feel like 1310 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,600 Speaker 2: if I'm Buffalo, I love them playing on Thanksgiving. I 1311 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,760 Speaker 2: got embarrassed. It's a terrible game. I looked awful against Indianapolis. 1312 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,680 Speaker 2: Get me back out on the field. Let me shut 1313 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,000 Speaker 2: up those podcasters saying that we're frauds and overrated and 1314 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,960 Speaker 2: we're not like this. Give me on the field. Let 1315 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,840 Speaker 2: my defense be awesome again. And I think the Buffalo 1316 01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,440 Speaker 2: defense is gonna make a statement here. So I think 1317 01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,840 Speaker 2: it's an under two forty six and a half seems 1318 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,360 Speaker 2: pretty high for the Saints are good defense. I don't 1319 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,800 Speaker 2: think the Bills are going to necessarily put up a 1320 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,160 Speaker 2: huge number. But I don't think the Saints score very 1321 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,240 Speaker 2: much here. The Bills had number one DVA defense, Saints 1322 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,000 Speaker 2: number six. The Bills, I think we're getting a little 1323 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,200 Speaker 2: value with them getting blown out today. So I think 1324 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,800 Speaker 2: the line really if you were a little bit a 1325 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,160 Speaker 2: little more distance, I think you put the line closer 1326 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,960 Speaker 2: to a touchdown than to a field goal. 1327 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, I like Buffalo lot here. 1328 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,600 Speaker 2: I think they're the team that I feel best about 1329 01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,280 Speaker 2: among these Thanksgivings teams, and again we know that favorites 1330 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,840 Speaker 2: and the night games have done well, and non division 1331 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,120 Speaker 2: matchup favorites do well on Thursdays too, So I think 1332 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:40,320 Speaker 2: it's a good spot for Buffalo. 1333 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:41,480 Speaker 1: I yeah, agree with you. 1334 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,160 Speaker 3: I think that's probably my strongest pick of the day 1335 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,320 Speaker 3: because I think the other ones they can probably go 1336 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:47,919 Speaker 3: either way. 1337 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,000 Speaker 1: You never really want to late three and a half 1338 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:50,960 Speaker 1: points with the Bears. 1339 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,800 Speaker 3: The Cowboys are dealing with so many injuries, the Raiders 1340 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,240 Speaker 3: are dealing with turmoil. But I think the Bills are 1341 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,240 Speaker 3: better than what they showed against the Colts today, So I. 1342 01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,400 Speaker 2: Think so if you want to go crazy, you know 1343 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,840 Speaker 2: how I love my favorites, rahiem if you can find. 1344 01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:06,280 Speaker 1: It out your book. 1345 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,600 Speaker 2: If you can get the Bears out of three and 1346 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,720 Speaker 2: the Cowboys out of seven, if you can find them 1347 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,080 Speaker 2: there without the hook, throw those two together, throwing the 1348 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,600 Speaker 2: Bills a little pumpkin pie on top of your turkey 1349 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,800 Speaker 2: main course. Give me the three favorite parlay on Thanksgiving, 1350 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,920 Speaker 2: Favorites dominate. I'm just gonna play the trends and see 1351 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,120 Speaker 2: if I can get a little favorite action on Thanksgiving. 1352 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,000 Speaker 1: What do you think? I'm not mad? At that at all. 1353 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,240 Speaker 3: I think if I had to play something, I think 1354 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,919 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with a Lion's Cowboys teaser. I'm gonna 1355 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,840 Speaker 3: tease the Lions, uh okay through the key numbers of seven. 1356 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,840 Speaker 3: I'm gonna get that up to nine and then I 1357 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,760 Speaker 3: think the Cowboys bounce back when this game. 1358 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,160 Speaker 1: So that's my teaser. 1359 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,480 Speaker 2: If that is not me and you and a nutshell, 1360 01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,480 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. You got the safe teaser, 1361 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:49,640 Speaker 2: just getting a little. 1362 01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:50,480 Speaker 1: Bit of edge in here. 1363 01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,440 Speaker 2: I'm all in. Give me some money for Black Friday. 1364 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:54,920 Speaker 2: I got some shopping to do, any of a new 1365 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,560 Speaker 2: TV all right. That is gonna wrap it up today 1366 01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 2: at the Action Network podcast. Make sure you're raised subscribe 1367 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,320 Speaker 2: and review the podcast speed if you haven't yet. Raheem 1368 01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,880 Speaker 2: and I are off Friday, but Stucky and Raybon are 1369 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,240 Speaker 2: here Wednesday night with their NFL six pack betting guide. 1370 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,120 Speaker 2: Rahem and I will be back first thing Monday to 1371 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,400 Speaker 2: review the next slate of games on Sunday for Raheem Palmer. 1372 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,920 Speaker 2: I'm Brandon Anderson and this has been the Action Network Podcast. 1373 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:21,920 Speaker 1: We're on to week twelve.