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Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody?

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Speaker 2: This is O g Rode back for another episode of

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Speaker 2: Dolls Only podcast, but today it's a special edition.

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Speaker 1: It's a two part episode.

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Speaker 2: We're covering my calls, my cliques, talking about guys why

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Speaker 2: their passions outside of the game of football. And in

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Speaker 2: this first part we have Greg Newsom, M j Emerson,

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Speaker 2: and Winston Reid. And then the second part we have

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Speaker 2: yan Thornhill and Mohursts talking about mental health. So stay

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Speaker 2: tuned and check out the first part.

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Speaker 3: Of the episode.

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Speaker 2: So obviously, man as as as players, you know, we

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Speaker 2: owe a great responsibility and I think you know to

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Speaker 2: a lot of people in the world, you know, they

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Speaker 2: they look up to us, right, idolized by a lot

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Speaker 2: of people. And I think what's special about the NFL

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Speaker 2: is the platform, you know, that we have. And I

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Speaker 2: think for me, what's always been important to me is

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Speaker 2: how you utilize your platform, making the most of it.

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Speaker 2: We always talk about how the NFL is not for

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Speaker 2: long and you got to maximize it. Why you have

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Speaker 2: the visibility and we know this this past a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago, you know, we focused on my cause,

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Speaker 2: my cliques. Uh, there's a lot of great causes in

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Speaker 2: the world, and a lot of US athletes have now

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Speaker 2: taken on that responsibility to bring awareness to some of these, uh,

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Speaker 2: societal issues or things that are just near and dear

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Speaker 2: to our heart for whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And I know all of you guys participated in that,

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Speaker 2: including myself. So if you guys can all kind of

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Speaker 2: just you know, go around telling us a little bit

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Speaker 2: about your cause, why it was important for you to

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Speaker 2: bring awareness to that at to that specifically, and and

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Speaker 2: then yeah, we'll just we'll just flow from there.

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Speaker 4: I did DNA Level Sea Boxing Club, which is h

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Speaker 4: which is something out of out of Cleveland that focused

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Speaker 4: on pretty much like mits up guns down. Being born

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Speaker 4: go to school in the suburbs, not like everybody, being

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Speaker 4: especially back then like it was, it was not really

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Speaker 4: great to go to school out there. So my dad

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Speaker 4: my mom did a great job with me. My dad

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Speaker 4: had a job in the post office in the suburbs,

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Speaker 4: so I commuted an hour every single morning from the

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Speaker 4: just putting me in the best position to be successful.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: Obviously people know about Chicago. They used to call it

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Speaker 4: shi Raq because it was just so much gun violence,

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Speaker 4: things going wrong in the city. Uh few friends getting

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Speaker 4: caught up and things like that. But I think the

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Speaker 4: most crucial thing to me was in high school, my

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Speaker 4: cousin got killed to gun violence out in Chicago. So

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Speaker 4: that was pretty much like the biggest thing for me.

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Speaker 4: And I did might cause my police every single year,

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Speaker 4: but this one was the first year I actually decided

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Speaker 4: I had my best game of the season, which was

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Speaker 4: which was insane. But yeah, that's kind of really the

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Speaker 4: reason why I chose it, just shedding light out there,

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Speaker 4: knowing that, you know, you could do other productive things,

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Speaker 4: like a lot of people from the inner city have

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Speaker 4: a lot of like fury, a lot of rage. But

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Speaker 4: I thought the DNA level Sea Boxing club was was

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Speaker 4: cool because you can use that rage in a more

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Speaker 4: in a positive way. So that's kind of why I

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Speaker 4: chose my Yeah, I liked out. That's dope.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for me, three years straight, I supported every time

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Speaker 6: gun safety, you know, just raising awardeness about you know,

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Speaker 6: gun safety and and just how do you know how

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Speaker 5: And you know, and just not.

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Speaker 6: Making decisions off emotions and you know, and ruining your

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Speaker 5: But growing up, well not even growing up really.

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Speaker 6: It was recent in twenty twenty on Thanksgiving, I lost

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Speaker 6: my best friend growing up.

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Speaker 5: He was walking outside the club.

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Speaker 6: Leaving, leaving the event, and he got shot six times,

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Speaker 6: you know, And yeah, it was a tough It was

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Speaker 5: You know, he's actually picked me up every day for.

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Speaker 6: School, you know, my my senior year, and we just

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Speaker 6: he came home one night and unfortunately his his his

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Speaker 5: And and it.

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Speaker 6: Was it was because he had a similar car to

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Speaker 6: you know, that was just into a lot of things,

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Speaker 6: and kind of still lives. But that's why I support.

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Speaker 5: The calls, you know. And that's what. Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 5: what man.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing, bro.

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Speaker 5: So my cleats they were just cancer. So my mom

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Speaker 5: when I was thirteen, And so I want to, i know,

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Speaker 5: you know, inform people out like getting screenings early on,

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Speaker 5: in your bloodline. It's very important. That's why I did it.

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Speaker 1: No, I appreciate you for sharing bro, sorry about your

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Speaker 1: mom too.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I you know, my my cause my cleagues.

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Speaker 2: I focused on you know, my nonprofit and we do

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Speaker 2: often sometimes it is really determined by your zip codes,

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Speaker 2: as often, and just really wanted to like shift the narrative, man,

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Speaker 2: you know, our sole focus is just putting kids first,

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Speaker 2: like you guys have uh man, just unfortunate heartbreaking like stories,

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Speaker 2: I commend you for like just the bravery to be

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Speaker 2: able to bring people into like your world a glimpse,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like obviously your mom when

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Speaker 2: you know you're losing, you lost you know, a family member,

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Speaker 2: for people to understand that we are more than just

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Speaker 2: you know, players, Like we have real feelings, we have

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Speaker 2: it makes all of this like just well worth it

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Speaker 2: like that my cause my cliques is because it gives

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Speaker 2: a whole different outlook on us as players. It allows

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Speaker 2: us to tap into a different side of ourselves, but

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Speaker 2: also something that has made us who we are.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Jennie, you talked.

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Speaker 2: About it like how you know you had one of

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure like that feeling of like man who

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Speaker 2: just that much, you know what I'm saying, greater and

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Speaker 1: And then a serious issue.

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Speaker 2: You know, we could talk about it, like you know

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Speaker 2: a lot of kids go through a lot of trauma especially.

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Speaker 2: I know, like you said, the identity of Chicago is

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying that, Man, you can you

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Speaker 2: can make it out, you know, with your God gifting

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Speaker 2: like just what your experience was like, you know, growing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like, you know, when you in it,

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Speaker 1: Like for me, it was just like it.

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Speaker 1: It's just obviously in every city.

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Speaker 4: It's just places that you know, if you're at you're

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Speaker 4: But I just feel like just being able to get

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Speaker 4: So now even like when I came to Cleveland, I

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Speaker 5: oh yeah. I mean when you when you learn how

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00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 5: to tie?

438
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: Tie was the first How old were you?

439
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 5: I was, I know, three, like eight.

440
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: I don't think I learned un till I was probably

441
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: middle school because I was getting ready to go to

442
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: high school where we had to wear uniforms, so tie

443
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: was required. So I had like my my stat pots,

444
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, you gotta get it right before I think

445
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: I was just going with the clip ons in church. Yeah,

446
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: by then I probably was like you know what, I

447
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 2: ain't even wearing no time, no more.

448
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm just going with two buttons down real quick. But yeah,

449
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: that's hilarious, that is yeah.

450
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, some days just down with a collar he would

451
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 5: be mad that I that I wasn't wearing like get

452
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 5: at tired of school.

453
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like have you have you decided on you know,

454
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: as your career you know, goes further as we all,

455
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: you know, hope for that you'll continue to do more

456
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 2: work surrounding breast cancer and you know, honoring your mom.

457
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely like five k runs. Yeah, that's a huge

458
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 5: thing for cancer at least. Yeah, starty Foundation hopefully mm

459
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 5: hmmm yeah.

460
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, sope.

461
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: Nah, I believe you're gonna do it. Brother, you know

462
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. No, she looking down on you, proud

463
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: uh you and all your accomplishments to date, and then

464
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: you know she's gonna be by your side as you

465
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: continue to have a long, prosperous career. One thing that

466
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 2: you know, we U we do on the show, We

467
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: asked everybody like their dog moment when they come on set.

468
00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: That dog moment.

469
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: It's like just the time in your life where you

470
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: feel like you had to like channel that inner dog

471
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 2: to get you through maybe an adverse moment. And so

472
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: you know, I just opened the floor to you guys

473
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: to like speak on that because you know, in this world,

474
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: you know, I think people don't realize, you know what

475
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: success to M's point, you know, there's trials and tribulations, Like,

476
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 2: there's so much that goes on in between. It's not

477
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: just a smooth pathway or a smooth grounds like to

478
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: the mountaintop. So you know, we've all gone through something

479
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: that we can identify that it was like, yo, that

480
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: that moment, right there are those few moments like in

481
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: my life, like I could have went this way, but

482
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: I made the decision to do this, and like it's

483
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: made me better and of course I got to the

484
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: other side because of it.

485
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got one. Just I tell the story a lot.

486
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 4: I don't know if y'all know. But so college, when

487
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: I got to college, well, my last year high school

488
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 4: transferred to I AMG academy. So I wanted to get

489
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 4: myself ready to get to college. I was like, I'm

490
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: starting right away. I'm getting it all done. Like that's

491
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 4: that's what I was about. So I end up getting

492
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 4: to Northwestern my freshman year. I ain't start the first game,

493
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 4: but I came in the second series and then I

494
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 4: started from there on.

495
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 5: I played six.

496
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 4: No, actually I played four total games, and then I

497
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 4: tore four out of six ligaments in my ankle, and

498
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 4: at first they thought it was an ankle sprang. So

499
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: I wasn't thinking nothing. I just couldn't get back. Then

500
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 4: I ended up getting a MRI was torn. So the

501
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: coach was like, all right, do you want to Radshaw?

502
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 4: I was like, nah, not a chance because like I'm

503
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: going three and out, like we never had a three

504
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 4: and out person. I was like, I'm gonna do it.

505
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 4: So I come back in the Holiday Bowl and we

506
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: play Utah. Actually we played, Yeah, we played. Now we

507
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 4: played in San Diego playing the Holiday Bowl. Actually I

508
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: came for the Big Ten Championship first. That was my

509
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 4: fifth game of the season, played Ohio State. I didn't

510
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 4: play particularly well, still limping and things like that.

511
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 5: Then I played Utah.

512
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 4: Finished my freshman season, sophomore season, come back. We lost

513
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 4: our number one corner, so like now I'm in that

514
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: role to step in to be that guy. So week

515
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: six in the season broke my collar ball, so I'm like,

516
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 4: oh this again. I had a real good season. Still,

517
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: like I led the Big Ten and passed it offended

518
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 4: as a sophomore and I didn't play like four games,

519
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: but I didn't get any recognition.

520
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then.

521
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 4: Junior year, I'm like, all right, cool, it's over with now.

522
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 4: Then I COVID hits, so I'm like, here this go.

523
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 4: Then the season starting two weeks before the season, it

524
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: was like a month before the season, I got a

525
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 4: PCL injury. I landed on my knee last reper one

526
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 4: on one. So in that moment, honestly, I told my parents,

527
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 4: I told my teammates. I was like, if it's my ACL,

528
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 4: like I'm done, Like I've been hurt, like I can't finish.

529
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 4: I couldn't finish the season.

530
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 5: I was hurt.

531
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I'm like, if it's my ACL,

532
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: I prayed about it. If it's my ACL, like I'm

533
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 4: done playing, Like I'll be cool with it. I'm gonna

534
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 4: go be around the team. I was like, I made

535
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 4: us and told my coach like I'll be done. End

536
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: up being my PCL. First two years, I didn't do

537
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: any like no Big Ten, no awards, missed the first

538
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 4: two games. My junior year, I come back and literally

539
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 4: have like one of the greatest seasons ever. Gave up

540
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 4: like total like sixty yards the whole entire season when

541
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 4: first team All Big Ten, All American. I should have

542
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 4: won the Big Ten dB of the Year award, though

543
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 4: they bogus they ain't give me that. But then ultimately

544
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: I end up leaving after three years after not playing

545
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 4: a lot of collegiate games, and the Browns, you know,

546
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: gave me opportunity to get drafted in the first round.

547
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: So that was definitely my dog moment, Like I was

548
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: ready to just be like, all right, I'm done, and

549
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 4: then I come back and just have like one of

550
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: the greatest seasons ever and just able to be the

551
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 4: first Northwestern Wildcat to go three and out.

552
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 8: So that was that was my dog moment for sure.

553
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 5: Legacy, that's a blessing.

554
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 9: Bro.

555
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 5: My senior high school, I didn't play it for my

556
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 5: a CEO, so I was like thinking I was just

557
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 5: gonna be done with football, joined the military, and then

558
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 5: I don't know how I could started, Like my dad

559
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 5: started talking to the coach at Weber that I walk

560
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 5: on there. I read shirt and then I turned my

561
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 5: a c L again, samely maniscus everything, so it's blown

562
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 5: out and then I come back. I'm just on teams

563
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 5: and I'm trying to get a scholarship and everything, and

564
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 5: then just I'm not getting a scholarship, trying to do

565
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 5: what I can. And then earlier this time, I'm like,

566
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 5: should I like quit, I'm not on scholarship, I'm barely playing.

567
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 5: And then I actually do like this whole like debating

568
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 5: whether or not, and then I play another year and

569
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 5: that was in nineteen and then I actually do quit,

570
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 5: and then my coach called me back like two months later,

571
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 5: like we'll bring you back, We'll put you on tuition,

572
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 5: books and fees and stuff like that. Come back. And

573
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 5: then I play good obviously, and then next yeah, I mean,

574
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 5: I guess that's my dog moment.

575
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, just to get on this scholarship, Like no, wow,

576
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 10: none of us know to walk on life at all

577
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 10: in here.

578
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 5: It's I mean, it's it's similar to being undrafted, just yourself.

579
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: You got to make more plays than the guys on

580
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 5: scholarship to be to be recognized. I guess, yeah, it's

581
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 5: about that.

582
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

583
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 5: Absolute solute man for me, I will say easily.

584
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 6: My sophomore year, true sophomore year of college, coming off

585
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 6: a good true freshman season, you know, didn't start until

586
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 6: probably what my true freshman year. I didn't start, played

587
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 6: a lot, but I didn't start to I want to

588
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 6: say week five.

589
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 5: That's the year twenty nineteen. This a year when LSU one.

590
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 6: So that was my first game actually started against LSU,

591
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 6: lined up against Lamar Chase, just just son a couple

592
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 6: of times. First game, you know, obviously Joe Burrow that

593
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 6: was loaded. But that was a fun game. Man, that

594
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 6: was a fun game. But fast forward to my sophomore year,

595
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 6: you know, just just growing, getting better from my freshman year.

596
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 6: Just so first game, we come back, we get LSU

597
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 6: again after the natty, So we're playing good. We bought

598
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 6: and actually I want to say we up third quarter,

599
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 6: we end up winning the game and kJ Costello he

600
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 6: ended up Yeah, he threw for like six hundred and

601
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 6: twenty three yards. He broke the HC passing record and

602
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 6: all this game. But so I they run the ball's

603
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 6: third quarter, I meet the running back in the hole,

604
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 6: but I go low and when I hit him, I

605
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 6: hit him with.

606
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 5: My shoulder, but my shoulder popped out. It's located.

607
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 6: So when I hopped up, it was a big heavy

608
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 6: back too, like legs were like I remember, like I

609
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 6: still got the video.

610
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 5: You can see it on the video when I hit him,

611
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 5: because it was a good hit with still start, like I.

612
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 6: Called him refrigerator legs, like his legs was huge, like

613
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 6: but yeah, it popped out and I hopped him like

614
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 6: come get me.

615
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 5: So I run out and it was out. I couldn't move,

616
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 5: like my shoulder like it was out of my arm

617
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 5: was out of the socket.

618
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 6: So I'm like, oh, man, like this is poor. This

619
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 6: COVID year too. Mind you like this COVID year too.

620
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 6: So I go go into the locker room. About like

621
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 6: ten minutes they popped it back in. I'm like, I

622
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 6: want to go back in like this lsu. I'm in

623
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 6: my mind.

624
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 5: I'm like I was on like the same type of

625
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 5: time Greg was on.

626
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 6: Like I'm I'm pretty sh I'm in the like I'm

627
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 6: on the track to leave in three years. So I'm like,

628
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 6: I can't let this set me back, Like I could

629
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 6: easily like miss half of that year however, you know,

630
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 6: But I just put a shoulder hornets own, went back

631
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 6: in the game, finished the game, made a few tackles.

632
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 6: Fast forward. I lead the league, I let the SEC

633
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 6: and I was like second in the country in PBu.

634
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 6: I had a lot of them, but I couldn't get

635
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 6: no pigs because I had a shoulder horn its own

636
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 6: and it was like restricted, so I couldn't hand noiu.

637
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, I couldn't go up at all.

638
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 6: But I would say that was my dog moment, just

639
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 6: to stick out that year, you know, to play with

640
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 6: my guys during the COVID year.

641
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 5: Dislocated shoulder. You know it was easy.

642
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 6: I could have easily just sat out and just you know,

643
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 6: could have got surgery or whatever.

644
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 5: But just you know, stuck through it. You know, that

645
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 5: was that was that was a good year. Yeah, for

646
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 5: sure moment. Yeah, that was a proud man man.

647
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: Must respect respect man.

648
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: That was dope.

649
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 5: What about you? Huh you got a dog, mom, you.

650
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: Got a few of them.

651
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, to nobody even asks you know me every time,

652
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: I always ask everybody else.

653
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: And then we were off the set.

654
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: Uh for me, it probably was was twenty twenty, so

655
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: COVID this was, uh three three games left in the season.

656
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: I told my uh my a cl and my other knee.

657
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 2: So I did the first one in twenty eighteen, and

658
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: I did that one. And I remember always telling myself like, man,

659
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: if like if you tell your a c L again,

660
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: like that's it, You're done. You Like, I just couldn't

661
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: really put myself back into that mode that I did

662
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: to get myself like through it like that first time,

663
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: like because everything I had to endure. So when that

664
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: happened to me, I was crushed, like I'll never forget

665
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: this moment. Like get into the locker room after I

666
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 2: get the news and at that point, you know, game's

667
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 2: still going on. I think I got hurt like early

668
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: in the game, maybe like the third quarter. I just

669
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: break down in tears in the locker room, like on

670
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: the phone with my wife, you know, just talking to

671
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: her like they said, it's my cl like I think

672
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: like it's over. I think it's over, you know, like

673
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: I'm talking career, not see I'm talking like career.

674
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: Like this might be it.

675
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: I'm like year ten at that point, and everything inside

676
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: of me man was saying like give up. And it

677
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: really was a combination of like my wife talking to me.

678
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: My mom kind of reminded me like that you know,

679
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: God like puts like these these challenge just like on

680
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: you and then not necessarily off of you, there for

681
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: the people around you to even like just see how

682
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: you respond. And that really just hit home to me.

683
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: And everything that I've like said to a kid kind

684
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: of just like hit me, you know, just real vivid

685
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: and in my heart, and I said, man, like I can't.

686
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: I can't allow like this, this situation to be to

687
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: be the end. Like I at least got to fight back,

688
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And let's let's see what

689
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 2: happened on the other side of it.

690
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: And so man, I chose, you know what I'm saying.

691
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: To fight to rehab, grind my ass off, come back.

692
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: You know, missed the first four seasons that that's kind

693
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: of you know what the plan was.

694
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: Came back, you know, and man.

695
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 2: Was able to finish out my career in Philly going

696
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 2: to the playoffs, got kicked out but in the first

697
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: round by Tom Brady, but it you know, it still

698
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: was a win. You know, made some good plays on

699
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: the back end of that of that season and just

700
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 2: was proud man of the way I again choosing to

701
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: to like to decide, Man, this this wasn't like the

702
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: end for me. And that took a lot. But I

703
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: credit that and a lot of my success and my

704
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: support system, you know what I'm saying, that's everything. That's

705
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: why I keep doing what I do. So that's one

706
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: of my that's one of my dog moments. You know,

707
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: I gotta fee but that's that's one for real that

708
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: always stands out to me. Yeah, but uh man, today

709
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 2: was love fellas. I appreciate y'all for for sharing y'all story.

710
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: I know not all of it was comfortable, but I

711
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: appreciate you you know what I'm saying for for being honest,

712
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: for being real more poorly man, for.

713
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: Using your platform for good.

714
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: So as you guys can tell, the topic of my

715
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: cause my cliques, I'm fortunately is never easy. Some of

716
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: my teammates opened up their hearts and talked about some

717
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 2: very uncomfortable moments throughout their life, and I.

718
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: Appreciate them for that.

719
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 2: And just a few weeks ago, I sat down with

720
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 2: Juan Thornhill and Mo Hers we cover mental health, and

721
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: Juan Thornhill represented depression for his mind cause my cliques.

722
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: Here is that episode on mental health. So question I

723
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: have for you guys, right like I know for me personally.

724
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: You know, I have.

725
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: Circles that I can rely on and I always go

726
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: back to at times of difficulty or even times of celebration.

727
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: But I think one thing that I've noticed, right, just

728
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: as as men, we tend to.

729
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: Struggle with the ability to.

730
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: Check in on one another, and not only and not

731
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: only that, like when somebody does ask like how are

732
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: you doing, it's always surface level, right like.

733
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,959
Speaker 1: We can't we can't give the real.

734
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: And I think as as as men, we struggle with

735
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: find being vulnerable and then also feeling maybe a sense

736
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: of weakness, right like we always have to come from

737
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: a place of strength, especially as as athletes, like ourselves,

738
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: place of strength, place of of just like confidence, and

739
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: I got it where you know, sometimes we don't and

740
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 2: it's okay to admit that and be truthful in that moment.

741
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: And so I appreciate you guys, first of all, just

742
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: for given you know what I'm saying, just some of

743
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 2: the real and I know there's layers two we're gonna,

744
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: you know, talk about it, but I think I wanted

745
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: to talk about what is like a reality check for us.

746
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna look at my phone because I don't

747
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to.

748
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: Misquote.

749
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: But these are some of the stats that exist for

750
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: guys like sitting here. About twenty five percent of African

751
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: Americans seek mental health treatment compared to forty percent of

752
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: White Americans. Sixty percent rise and suicide rates among black

753
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: boys over the past two decades. Studies have suggested that

754
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: around twenty five to thirty percent of NFL players may

755
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: experience mental health issues at some point during their careers,

756
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: including depression and anxiety. And those stats speak directly to us,

757
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like that is the real

758
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: and we come from a statistical world in sports, you know,

759
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: you know, like.

760
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: Stats is like is what we live by. That's the code.

761
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 9: With my wife, Like I would say, she's probably the

762
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 9: best thing that has ever happened to me, because like

763
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 9: growing up, I never was that kid that would, like,

764
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 9: you know, speak up if I'm feeling something. I'll just like,

765
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 9: you know, keep everything inside and let everything build it up.

766
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 9: And then eventually it gets to the point where like you.

767
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: Just completely snap. You can't even control it.

768
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 9: And then like ever since I've met my wife, like

769
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 9: she forces it out of me, like.

770
00:41:59,440 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

771
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 9: And there's times where like I'm just sitting there, like

772
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 9: I'll come home, like especially like last year, I was

773
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 9: going through a big time, you know, with that injury,

774
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 9: and I'll just come home and not even talk, and

775
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 9: then she'll like, what's wrong, and I'm just like nothing,

776
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 9: like I'm good, and then she'll keep asking, Like it's

777
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 9: gets to the point where like you're gonna keep asking,

778
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 9: you keep asking me. I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna

779
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 9: tell you, like straight up what it is.

780
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 7: Man.

781
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 9: But like like you said, though, just as a young age,

782
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 9: like we've always been taught that like listen, don't cry.

783
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: You know if you if you cry.

784
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 9: You're not a man or things like that, and that's

785
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 9: that's that's not the right way to go about it,

786
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 9: you know, like your mental health is everything. Like if

787
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 9: if you're holding in, things can go south real quick.

788
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 9: And that's I guess today that's the point. It's just

789
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 9: like it's okay to tell people that it's not okay,

790
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 9: like you're not okay, you know. So I think that's

791
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 9: that's huge, man, just being able to speak and get

792
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 9: your voice out there, because I believe it or not.

793
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 9: Like once you you tell people what's wrong, like it

794
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 9: will make you feel better free, he feels free, even

795
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 9: if you don't, like you know, like to write it

796
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 9: down in a book or something if you have to,

797
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 9: Like when you just holding in, it's never good.

798
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that, like from experience.

799
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I always think back to like childhood, right,

800
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 11: and I always think back on some of the tough

801
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 11: times that me and my mom or me and my

802
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 11: family had gone through, and it's just one of those

803
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 11: things where like if you just say you're good, like

804
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 11: you're just kind of putting that band aid over it,

805
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 11: like how was your day?

806
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 5: It was good?

807
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 11: You might have had X, Y, and Z going wrong,

808
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 11: but you're just gonna say it's good instead of like

809
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 11: going into the details of oh, yeah, you know, we're

810
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 11: not sure if we're gonna be able to pay that bill.

811
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 11: We're not sure we're going to be able to, you know,

812
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 11: afford to pay for you to go play basketball. I'm

813
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 11: not sure if I'm going to be able to you know,

814
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 11: get you those shoes that you always wanted or whatever

815
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 11: things like that, And that for me has been my

816
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 11: biggest struggle because growing up, it was always just that

817
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 11: band aid over it. It was just that I'm okay,

818
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 11: I'm all right, I'm good will pass like. It's just

819
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 11: that constant like psychle on it. And for me, that's

820
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 11: one of my biggest challenges right now, honestly, is just

821
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 11: figuring out how to open up figuring out how to

822
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 11: be vulnerable because it's it's stoicism, It's that it's that

823
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 11: art of being a man where you know, you just

824
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 11: put all this stuff on your back, you put all

825
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 11: this weight in your back, and you know, truthfully, I

826
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 11: think there is something to that. I think as men,

827
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 11: especially as black men, there's a certain amount that we

828
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 11: have to shoulder that we can't let out. But it's

829
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 11: okay to be vulnerable at times. It's okay to pick

830
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 11: those times when you realize that you know, maybe you

831
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 11: put you know, just a little bit too much weight

832
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 11: in the bar, like maybe you were at you know,

833
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 11: four or five, you need to be at three seventy five.

834
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 11: You know, just trying to balance that out because you

835
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 11: don't want to just be out there, you know, crying

836
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 11: and all the time.

837
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 7: You know what I mean, Like, that's not a man.

838
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 7: That's not what we do, you know what I mean.

839
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 11: Like, but there there's definitely a balance, and finding that

840
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 11: balance is what I need to keep doing because right

841
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 11: now it's just like, you know, put that four or

842
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 11: five of my back and I'm just gonna keep keep

843
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 11: squad and keep going for it, keep trying to pr

844
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 11: keep trying to you know, just put everything on my

845
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 11: shoulders instead of letting it out and letting it letting

846
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 11: myself become vulnerable, like.

847
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 9: You said with that band aid, Like just think about it.

848
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 9: If you got a scar, man, you put a band

849
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 9: aid over, it ain't never gonna heal.

850
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: As soon as you.

851
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 8: Rip that band aid off, it's still there.

852
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, And it ain't gonna never heal until you take

853
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 9: it off and let that air hit it, you know.

854
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 8: So that's huge man.

855
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: And I think, you know when you you really did

856
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: a nice illustration there and talking about the weights right

857
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: and and like how sometimes we do put too much

858
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: on that we can can bear. And I think to

859
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: Want's point, right, it's important. And we all know how

860
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: how important a spotter is, you know for us and

861
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: I and.

862
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: I give like this.

863
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: Illustration of that when I talk about mentorship, right, like

864
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: I look as mentors as spotters, like they're there to

865
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: help you know, guide you to be able to take

866
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, just finish that that set for you. Give

867
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: you some words of recouragement, I get you through. And

868
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: and Juan obviously pointed to you know, his wife as

869
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: that person who do you guys kind of like contribute

870
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: as you know, maybe a spot or somebody that just

871
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: you know, can can get the you know most out

872
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: of you, or or have you be able to express

873
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: your thoughts and and and just be that that like

874
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: that person for you.

875
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 11: For me, I didn't really have it until probably like

876
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 11: three years ago. I started talking to a therapist when

877
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 11: I was in San Francisco, and that really helped me

878
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 11: open up to him. Yeah, and then on top of

879
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 11: that realizing that I need to open up to my

880
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 11: friends as well, And that was the biggest thing that

881
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 11: Like I said, I've been trying to figure this thing

882
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 11: out along the way. But it's just like if you

883
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 11: open up to your friends, they're going to open up

884
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 11: to you. It's gonna make your friendship stronger. So having

885
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 11: that vulnerability is going to allow you to have closer

886
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 11: bonds with your friends. This is something that I just

887
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 11: kind of figured out with him, like just sitting down

888
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 11: and talking through things. And I would say that's been

889
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 11: one of the biggest blessings to me, is starting to

890
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 11: figure that out and figure it out, you know, how

891
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 11: to create these friendships that you know last a long time,

892
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 11: that are meaningful, that you guys understand each other.

893
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 7: You understand what each other are going through.

894
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 9: You know, you said something about you spoke with a therapist,

895
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 9: but a lot of people they're kind of scared to

896
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 9: do that, you know, like it's just like they feel

897
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 9: like it's like they have to go in there and

898
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 9: throw everything on the table at one time. But if

899
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 9: you go in and talk to a therapist, they can

900
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 9: pull the little things out of you.

901
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 8: That you that you need, you know, to get you

902
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 8: through it.

903
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 9: So like, how did you get to the point where

904
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 9: you were just like listen, I'm not gonna be afraid

905
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 9: to go in there and actually talk to someone, and

906
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 9: to talk to that therapist, you know, like how did you.

907
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: Go about it?

908
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 10: Yeah?

909
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 7: They don't even know, you know.

910
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

911
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 11: So for me, it just was it was coming off

912
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 11: of my basically my second season ending injury while I

913
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 11: was with San Francisco, So it's basically like two years

914
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 11: without football, and it just gets scary at that point

915
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 11: because this is something that you've been doing since you

916
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 11: were seven. So you get to that point where you

917
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 11: started questioning like, oh, like can I still do this?

918
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 7: Like it's my body gonna hold up?

919
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 11: You know this and that, and you kind of have

920
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 11: a little bit of an identity crisis, and I could

921
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 11: really feel myself sort of like spindling down the whole

922
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 11: very fast, you know, struggling to get out of bed,

923
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 11: no motivation really to go work out, no motivation to

924
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 11: you know, talk to anybody, no motivation to go anywhere.

925
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 11: Wasn't shopping, wasn't buying clothes, wasn't playing video games. It

926
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 11: was just kind of loathing around the house. And I'm

927
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 11: just like, you know, this doesn't feel right, doesn't feel

928
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 11: like me. You know, I just scheduled the meeting, and

929
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 11: you know, we might have talked for twenty minutes, but

930
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 11: that twenty minutes just like changed my whole perspective on

931
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 11: how I was feeling, and it really allowed me to start,

932
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 11: you know, feeling back to myself and getting back to

933
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 11: that baseline, and you know, I just think about how

934
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 11: important that is and building that like rapport with somebody

935
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 11: and just kind of getting everything sort of off your

936
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 11: chest because it just makes it so much clearer. It's like,

937
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 11: you know, it's like you're just like blurry for a

938
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 11: little bit, and then you like have that conversation or

939
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 11: you talk a little bit and you walk out and

940
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 11: it's like a yoga session or something like that. Like

941
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 11: you just feel like refreshed, You feel you know, you

942
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 11: like have a breath of fresh air when you finish

943
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 11: talking about you know, what's going on, what you're dealing with,

944
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 11: and you know, just having someone else sympathize for you,

945
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 11: but also help give you the pieces of solve the answers,

946
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 11: because the thing with therapist is that they don't give

947
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 11: you the answers. They give you pieces. They give you

948
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 11: they give you all of the hints to try to

949
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 11: solve the issue that you're going through.

950
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 7: It's not just this is what you should do.

951
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 11: It's like, you know, think about it, like what you

952
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 11: went through, think about you know what your next steps

953
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 11: should be.

954
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 7: Like what's important to you?

955
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 11: Like they ask all these questions in a way that

956
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 11: help you express yourself even.

957
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 7: More and realize what you really want, where you really desire.

958
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: How did you decide on your therapist?

959
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: Like kind of walk us through what that journey was, like,

960
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: you know, because there are maybe even some of us

961
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 2: here who are considering therapy but don't necessarily know how

962
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: or just talk and then even you know, the next

963
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: layer is like what is what is this your first

964
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: therapist or is this number five for you? And then

965
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: are you also continuing on what that uh that therapist

966
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: you know now today?

967
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 11: Yeah, so this is my first like full time therapist.

968
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 11: Like at Michigan, we had a couple of different people

969
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 11: that you could basically talk to every once in a

970
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 11: while if you had something going on or decision to

971
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 11: be made. But this was my first time, and it

972
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 11: honestly was through the team. So I think all thirty

973
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 11: two NFL teams have teams psychologists and you know, you know,

974
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 11: just help from that point of view. And when I

975
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 11: was at the forty nine ers, they had someone there

976
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 11: that I worked with, and it made it really easy

977
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 11: because I would just be in the building and in

978
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 11: between meetings or something like that, I would just pop

979
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 11: in for twenty thirty minutes, you know, just talk about

980
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 11: my day and figure out a time when to talk

981
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 11: and then eventually we would you know, just do zooms

982
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 11: for twenty thirty minutes when I got home or whatever

983
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 11: like that, and you know, whenever I need.

984
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 7: Them, I could just call him.

985
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 11: But that was also one of the negatives of picking

986
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 11: it to the team, because now I end up here

987
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 11: and I'm not able to communicate with him, even though

988
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 11: this is a guy that's built rapport with for two years.

989
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 11: So that's kind of like one of the negatives to

990
00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 11: like this NFL you know, team psych help. It just

991
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 11: makes it a little bit challenging because it's like, Okay,

992
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 11: I just build all this report. Now I gotta find

993
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 11: a new person and start kind of from base one,

994
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 11: where this person doesn't really know me, doesn't really know

995
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 11: what I've been working on, doesn't really know you know,

996
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 11: all that, all those type of things. So you know,

997
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 11: it's just it's tough. Like I kind of wish I

998
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 11: went a different round and had someone that I could

999
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 11: kind of keep throughout the years. But when you're like us,

1000
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 11: like you're moving around all the time. We're playing with

1001
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 11: new guys all the time, moving to new areas, new friends,

1002
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 11: new homes, new locations. It's just like one of those

1003
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 11: challenges that you know kind of you know, sinks about

1004
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 11: being an NFL player.

1005
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 9: You know, growing up, you could come from like not

1006
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 9: having any money at all, you know, and that could

1007
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 9: be something that affects you big time, and a lot

1008
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 9: of people don't understand, like we're people too, you know,

1009
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 9: you get to the NFL you get all this money,

1010
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 9: but y'all know that saying though, more money, more problems,

1011
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 9: you know what I'm saying, like and that and that

1012
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 9: could affect your family as well. You get a little

1013
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 9: bit more money, and now everybody come in to you

1014
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 9: asking you to be that problem solver and that, like you.

1015
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: Know, Mama come to you.

1016
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 9: They're struggling back home, you know, like paying the rent

1017
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 9: or something like that.

1018
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: And now like their.

1019
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 9: Stress is your stress, and now you can't focus on

1020
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 9: your happiness. You can't focus on what you're doing in

1021
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 9: the game. You go out here and you play poor

1022
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 9: on Sunday. Now the fans talking bad about you, like

1023
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 9: all of that stuff can just you know, build up

1024
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 9: and it can affect you like big time.

1025
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 5: Man speak on it.

1026
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: That's that's the truth. I've had a therapist as well.

1027
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 2: I've gone through that that process, and it was something

1028
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: that I feel like for me growing up, like hearing

1029
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 2: a therapist meant like I had a serious problem. Yeah,

1030
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: you feel me like I had a serious like medical

1031
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 2: condition problem where I needed to seek professional guidance and support.

1032
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: And so that's why I never thought it was for me,

1033
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I feel.

1034
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: Like I'm fine I'm good. I don't need somebody to

1035
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: rescure me, like a therapist. And it wasn't until I

1036
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: had friends within my circle who told me, hey, bro,

1037
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: like now I just I go to somebody because I

1038
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: feel like it's okay just to talk about your issues,

1039
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: your problems, your childhood experiences, your life experiences with somebody

1040
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: that doesn't know you at all, and there's no there's

1041
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: just like no real like attachment. They're just they're just

1042
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: there to support you for who you are in that moment.

1043
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 2: And it was I feel like it was nothing but God.

1044
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: Like.

1045
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: I had an event for my nonprofit going on. This

1046
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 2: woman who's now my therapist was one of the facilitators there,

1047
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: and she kind of pulled me aside and it was

1048
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: almost like a like a prophet in a sense like

1049
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: talking to me, and she kind of gave me a

1050
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: foresight vision that she had and just how I seen.

1051
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: Her throughout that day.

1052
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: I say, you know, like, you know, what, can I

1053
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: just get your you know, get your card, get your number,

1054
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 2: you know you know, and I and I think I

1055
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: didn't even address it initially. It took me maybe a

1056
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: year before I circle back with her, and I was

1057
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: really at a I feel like a point in my

1058
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: life where I was battling like issues, like on the field,

1059
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: like issues, like a lot what was going on, and

1060
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: I was you know, I was talking to my wife,

1061
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: of course, talking to my mom, but it just wasn't enough.

1062
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: And you know, it was that moment.

1063
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: I think I was in India at that time, and

1064
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: I was going through a lot in the workplace, and

1065
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: so I reached out and man, I've you know, been

1066
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: with her since. And I'm talking not only has she

1067
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: been in sessions with me individually, but I've now even

1068
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 2: brought it over into more of a family structure where

1069
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 2: you know, I've had uncomfortable conversations with my own mom

1070
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: and you know, and that's and that's something else as

1071
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 2: well that you know, I know for us that's the

1072
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: challenge is, you know, parenting. You talked about, you know,

1073
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: your childhood like traumas and things that you've seen. And

1074
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: for us, we've been in that child role for so

1075
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: long that we've held our tongue, haven't been able to

1076
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 2: say anything or speak out on it. And now it's like, well,

1077
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 2: we're adults now and I have to let you know,

1078
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 2: what are some things that I just was uncomfortable with.

1079
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,479
Speaker 2: And then that gives me a better sense of why

1080
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: do I, you know, respond to what I do? And

1081
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: like you said, in relationships and in these sort of

1082
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: you know, experiences that come about and it just it

1083
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: just like goes back and you got to replay it,

1084
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: but you got to address it, you.

1085
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.

1086
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: And and you know, most of the time it does

1087
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 2: set set you free. You know, I'm a firm believer

1088
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: in that for sure. So I would say, you know,

1089
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: one thing that obviously we're all talking about is the

1090
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 2: pressures that come with the job, you know, with being

1091
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: a NFL player, making it this far. It's an accomplishment,

1092
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: but it's also there's a lot that comes with it.

1093
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 2: And people don't don't even know half of it. They

1094
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: just see, man, you got everything that you could possibly

1095
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: think of. The money's good, but money doesn't cure everything.

1096
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: We know that, Like, we know that's the truth. So

1097
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: you know, we've all at this table, have you know,

1098
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: gone through some adverse moments throughout our career. You know,

1099
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 2: I kind of just opened the floor to to some

1100
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: of you guys to walk us through and Mo kinda

1101
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 2: did it earlier. But just walk us through you know

1102
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: how maybe how it was for you one. You know,

1103
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: these past like two years being here in Cleveland, you

1104
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: talked about the move, I know, about leaving teams and yeah,

1105
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: like feeling like, man, I should still be over there,

1106
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: but you know, now I'm here, right, I got to

1107
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: build this new connection relationship with these guys.

1108
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: It's great.

1109
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: And then you come here for a reason to you know,

1110
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 2: be that guy and you know, now you've been played

1111
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: by injuries and I know you know what this game

1112
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: means to you, and I know how much work you

1113
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,479
Speaker 2: put into it. And that's the hard part that people

1114
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: don't see the amount of work that we put into

1115
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: it and we still might not get the outcome that

1116
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: we want, or an injury takes place and now it

1117
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: sets you back, and now it puts you just in

1118
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: a mental funk. Right, So just you know, just talk,

1119
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: talk a little bit. You know, you could summarize it,

1120
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 2: you get as detailed as you want, whatever, Cliff.

1121
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: Not it, whatever, but just get people the real like

1122
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: and how you felt.

1123
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: But then now how you've been able to come out

1124
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 2: on the other side of that, you know.

1125
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 9: Like when I was in Kansas City, I mean I

1126
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 9: had an ACOL tear in twenty Like at the end

1127
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 9: of twenty nineteen my rookie season.

1128
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 8: You know, I was playing great.

1129
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 9: I'm talking about living hot, like I ain't never been injured.

1130
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 9: Everything's going great. Last game of the season, like, yeah,

1131
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 9: were about to We're going to the playoffs is guaranteed,

1132
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 9: and I'm getting excited for this playoff run. I run

1133
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 9: through the gap, whole open, wide open. I think I

1134
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 9: was about to go make a tackle tear my ACL.

1135
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 9: You know, like the game that just like opened my

1136
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 9: eyes that it can be just taking away from you

1137
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 9: at any moment.

1138
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 8: And I would say that was probably one.

1139
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 9: Of the toughest times that I've ever been through because

1140
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 9: I've never been injured before, Like in college.

1141
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 8: I maybe had like.

1142
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 9: An ankle spring or a pull a muscle like a

1143
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 9: handstring or something like that, but never had a huge

1144
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 9: injury like that. You know, something that's going to sit

1145
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 9: you down for a couple of months. And you know,

1146
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 9: I got my ACL surgery and I'm sitting there. I

1147
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 9: remember just sitting in a hotel room out in Dallas,

1148
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 9: and I'm watching, you know, Kansas City play in the playoffs,

1149
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 9: and then I see guys out there blowing coverages and

1150
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 9: I'm sitting.

1151
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 8: There like, man, that should have been me out there

1152
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 8: making that play.

1153
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 9: But then it got to a point, you know, we

1154
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 9: get to the Super Bowl and I'm just sitting in

1155
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 9: the stands, you know, like not even being able to

1156
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 9: be on the field with my team, sitting in the

1157
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 9: stands watching them. And I remember to this day, like

1158
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 9: when they came out that tunnel.

1159
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: Like I thought I was gonna cry.

1160
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 4: Man.

1161
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 9: Like you know, growing up, you always watch that big game,

1162
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 9: Like even if you don't even watch the NFL, You're

1163
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,479
Speaker 9: gonna watch the Super Bowl, you know what I'm saying.

1164
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 9: And then all of a sudden, you know you had

1165
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 9: an opportunity to be there, and that's like your childhood

1166
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 9: dream is to like, you know, to go to a

1167
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 9: Super Bowl, like not even to play, I'm saying, just

1168
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 9: to go watch it. And then I had the opportunity

1169
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 9: to play in it, and that was like taking away

1170
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 9: from me and I was just sitting there just like

1171
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 9: sick to my stomach.

1172
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 8: It was just like I feel like that moment was just.

1173
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 9: Like listen, like I have to get back here, like

1174
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 9: this is just something I have to be able to

1175
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 9: experience you know. Luckily I got back there twice, you know,

1176
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 9: got back.

1177
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 8: Played in one we lost, so that one didn't really

1178
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 8: mean too much to me. I was just kind of

1179
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 8: like pissed off about it.

1180
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 9: But then I was just like, I have to like

1181
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 9: get that experience, you know of you know, that coffetti

1182
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 9: falling and you know, being able to experience that excitement

1183
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 9: with your family, because at that point, the first one

1184
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 9: we won, I wasn't out there playing, so it didn't

1185
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 9: really feel like I contributed.

1186
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: To that at all.

1187
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 9: So it was like I was happy, but at the

1188
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 9: same time, I was kind of like sad about it.

1189
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 3: And we got back there my last year.

1190
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 9: We wanted got the cafeti for a wife coming out there,

1191
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 9: you know, jumping your arms. It was great and everything,

1192
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 9: but back to the ACL injury. So I would say

1193
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 9: like the hardest part for me, it probably was that offseason.

1194
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 8: You know, like I was.

1195
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 9: One of the most exposive players, and all of a sudden,

1196
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 9: they come to a point where like I can't even walk,

1197
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 9: Like I don't even know how to walk.

1198
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 8: I got to teach myself how to.

1199
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 9: Run, jump, do all the basic things over again, and

1200
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 9: you know, and just constantly being in pain like that

1201
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 9: was me every single day, and I know there was

1202
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 9: a time or I was questioning, like.

1203
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 8: Listen, do I even want to do this anymore?

1204
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 9: You know, like just going through those injuries like alone,

1205
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 9: because you know, sometimes you get these injuries and you're

1206
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 9: in the building with your guys and you can just

1207
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 9: talk to them, love up on them, have fun. But

1208
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 9: it's the off season, like everybody gone, yeah, everybody's going,

1209
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 9: it's just you and the train is doing the same

1210
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 9: thing every single.

1211
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 8: Day, and You're just like, man, I don't want to

1212
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 8: do this no more.

1213
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 9: It got to the point where eventually I got back

1214
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 9: on the field, you know, and I go out there

1215
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 9: my second year like I'm playing through pain, like you

1216
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 9: could tell that I'm still hurt, and I was a starter.

1217
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 8: And then it got to.

1218
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 9: The point where my coach was like, listen on, like

1219
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 9: we can see that you're in pain. We're gonna take

1220
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 9: some of the snaps off you. You're not gonna be

1221
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 9: a starter no more. And I'm like, oh no, We're

1222
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 9: not doing this. And then that's where a point they

1223
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 9: hit me. I was like, man, I can't.

1224
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 8: Like I was mad the whole season, like I should

1225
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 8: be out there.

1226
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 9: I know I still can play, but I think my

1227
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 9: coaches saw a little bit more in me.

1228
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 8: You know. But that's one whole story.

1229
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 9: Next thing, boom, I get to Cleveland and everybody's excited

1230
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 9: about me, you know, because I mean, I'm a great

1231
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,959
Speaker 9: football player. I have confidence in myself and I'm coming

1232
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 9: to Cleveland. I'm like, listen, I'm about to show everybody

1233
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 9: what I'm about. And I'm talking about preseason. Got a

1234
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 9: pick six against Kansas City. Everybody excited like this, this

1235
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 9: guy's the truth, Like I'm ready to go.

1236
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1237
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 8: Man.

1238
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 9: Then I had the cash strain early in the season.

1239
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 9: That one was you know, it was slight. I missed

1240
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 9: one game, came back, and then later on that's what

1241
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 9: a big one happened.

1242
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 8: You know, we played against Baltimore.

1243
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 9: I played it drove cals strain, and you know, me,

1244
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 9: just as a competitor, I'm wanting to be on the field.

1245
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 9: I'm trying to get back out there as soon as possible.

1246
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 9: I said, I probably, like I would say, like a

1247
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 9: week maybe, and then in the following week I go

1248
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 9: back out there. I play a couple of games. You know,

1249
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 9: I'm playing through the pain.

1250
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 8: But you could see that, like my explosiveness was not there.

1251
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 9: I'm missing plays that I know I should be making,

1252
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 9: but the injury just hold me back.

1253
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 8: And it was like that at that point, I was

1254
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 8: a little frustrated with that.

1255
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 9: And then all of a sudden, I get in warm

1256
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 9: ups and against Jacksonville and like, I don't know what

1257
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 9: it was like these calves got a minor of his own,

1258
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 9: Like I'm telling you all that now they have a

1259
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 9: mind of his own.

1260
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: I woke up.

1261
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 3: My calf was just so tight. I'm like, some I'm

1262
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 3: not right with my calf.

1263
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: What's going on.

1264
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 9: I go out there, strained my calf again and warm

1265
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 9: ups and then from that point it was just like

1266
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 9: the calf injuries kept happening over and over again.

1267
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 12: I'll sit out the week, come back and play a game.

1268
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 12: Then I'll get hurt again, sit out a week, come

1269
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 12: back and play again. And at this point, everybody's like,

1270
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 12: all right, what is this dude gonna do for us?

1271
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 9: Man, Like, this dude's always hurt, he's not making any plays,

1272
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 9: and I'm out there frustrated because I'm missing plays because

1273
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 9: of my calf injuries holding me back, you know, and

1274
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,479
Speaker 9: that I would say that was, you know, pretty tough

1275
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 9: for me, just because like I know what type of

1276
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 9: player I am, and the people are like a lot

1277
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 9: of people were like doubting me, you know, like he's

1278
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 9: really not that good.

1279
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 3: But I know what type of player, and I know

1280
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 3: what's holding me back.

1281
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 9: And then I was just in that state of mind

1282
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 9: where I was kind of ready for just the season

1283
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 9: to be over.

1284
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 8: Like I wanted to win the Super Bowl last year, but.

1285
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 9: I was at a point where like, all right, I'm

1286
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 9: just done with this season, Like I just don't want

1287
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 9: to even be a part of it.

1288
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 8: And but I came back like the off season, like.

1289
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 9: I'm gonna do everything possible, you know, for me to

1290
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 9: get back so this don't ever happen again. And then

1291
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,479
Speaker 9: all of a sudden, I play the first game gets

1292
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 9: Dallas strain.

1293
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 3: My calf again.

1294
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 9: But what I would say what was different this year

1295
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 9: about last year is I went through that all last

1296
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 9: year not knowing how to really handle it. But then

1297
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 9: when I strained it this year, like I would say,

1298
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 9: the difference will probably be my daughter, if I'm being honest,

1299
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 9: like I tried to, like I it was probably like

1300
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 9: a couple of days while I went through it like

1301
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 9: mentally like man, I know we're not about to do

1302
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 9: this again, Like I can't, I can't deal with this

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01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 9: no more. But then my wife was like, listen, try

1304
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 9: to change your mindset about this, Like the only thing

1305
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 9: you can do now is get your treatment and try

1306
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 9: to get back on the field, Like that's all you

1307
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 9: can do.

1308
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 3: And then while you have this time.

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Speaker 8: Off, enjoy spending time with your daughter.

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01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 10: You know.

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01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 9: And I just felt like that changed everything about it,

1312
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 9: Like I just had a positive mindset about everything, didn't

1313
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 9: really complain too much. I just did my treatment when

1314
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 9: y'all was on the road. I mean, I just spent

1315
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 9: time with my daughter. So I feel like she just

1316
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 9: helped me get through a lot of the stuff that

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01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 9: happened to me this year.

1318
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna try. I'm gonna push you right here.

1319
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to push you right like what like

1320
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 2: what were some of the mental hurdles though that went

1321
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: on in between?

1322
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: Right?

1323
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 2: Like that there's the in between, right, it's the date

1324
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: where you know, the acl happened, that Calf happened, whatever,

1325
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: whether Calf won or the second time, and then now

1326
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: this this is the end. But like nobody sees the

1327
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 2: end between only only you, your your wife, you know,

1328
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: now your daughter and God. Like that that's it, and

1329
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 2: we might observe some of it, but like we know, right,

1330
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 2: like we tend when we walk into this building at

1331
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,959
Speaker 2: times and put on the mask and like you said,

1332
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 2: put on the smile, but deep down inside you lead

1333
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 2: this building, you get in your car and you could

1334
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 2: be full of tears.

1335
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: You feel me, you.

1336
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 9: Know, like I've alreadys spoken it a little bit. It's saying, like,

1337
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 9: you know, just my standard for myself, you know, like

1338
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 9: me knowing the type of player and person that I

1339
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 9: am and just seeing other people like question it, you

1340
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 9: know what I'm saying, Like they're talking about I'm not

1341
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 9: as good as a player or he's nothing.

1342
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 3: Basically you're having people tell you all the time that

1343
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 3: you're nothing.

1344
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 9: You know.

1345
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 8: That's what I feel like affected me the most.

1346
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 3: Like I've always been told I'm.

1347
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 9: Like a people pleaser, like I do love when people

1348
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 9: love me, you know, so like that was one of

1349
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 9: the main things for me that I struggle with because

1350
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 9: I'm just like these people don't even love me, man,

1351
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 9: and that that hurt me big time. But they have

1352
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 9: to come to a point where I would just sit back.

1353
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 9: I'll take a step back and just be like, listen.

1354
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 3: You can't make everyone happy.

1355
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 9: If you constantly just try to make everyone happy, You're

1356
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 9: gonna tear yourself down. So I just have to like

1357
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 9: find a to get through that, you know, and just

1358
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 9: like focus on myself, focus on my wife, focus on

1359
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 9: those that are closest to me, Like you guys, that's

1360
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 9: like in this building because the things outside of this

1361
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 9: building really don't matter.

1362
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: Honestly, you know, I feel like I didn't even have

1363
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 2: to ask you know, yeall what your dog moment was,

1364
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 2: because you already you expressed it just organically.

1365
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 2: You guys are all living breathing dogs yourself. You know,

1367
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 2: after all the things that you guys have been able

1368
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: to overcome and still being here, strong, confident man, and

1369
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: true to yourself. That is commendable as as black men,

1370
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 2: as black athletes, as black fathers. You know, it is,

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01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 2: it is what we need. And so you know, I

1372
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 2: appreciate you guys for just being vulnerable today, opening up

1373
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 2: about you know a lot of you know, serious matters

1374
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: and man, just giving people the real that is all

1375
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,480
Speaker 2: that we have for you today on the Dogs Only podcasts.

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01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 2: I first want to take the time to just thank

1377
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: my teammates that sat down with me, that opened their hearts,

1378
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 2: that shared some uncomfortable moments, and we're very vulnerable and

1379
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 2: that takes great bravery and I'll salute you for that.

1380
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 2: And I want to thank the viewers for showing your

1381
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: support and for listening, because I think that's where everything starts,

1382
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: and so we appreciate you as always, And until next

1383
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 2: time on the Dolls on the podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Og Rod signing out