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Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garland.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone, welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all

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Speaker 1: about the choices we make. And today my badass oldest

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Speaker 1: daughter Luca is joining me from NYC because we are

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Speaker 1: all obsessed with a little show called The Summer I

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Speaker 1: Turn Pretty. And yes she's three thousand miles away, Fiona's

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Speaker 1: at college, Lola's here with me and the show and

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Speaker 1: Bellie's big choice has made me feel like we're all

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Speaker 1: in one room. So this is going to be a

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Speaker 1: great episode to talk about this The Summer I Turn Pretty.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know a teenager, or if you aren't

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Speaker 1: a teenager, you probably don't know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: But The Summer I Turn Pretty follows teenage Isabelle Bellie

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Speaker 1: Conklin as her life is transformed. During this Cousins beach

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Speaker 1: with our family and their longtime friends, the Fishers, who

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Speaker 1: happen to be cutey batuities. It's a very complicated love

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Speaker 1: triangle that forms between Belly and the sons of Susannah,

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Speaker 1: Conrad and Jeremiah. The series explores the themes of first love,

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Speaker 1: the heartbreak, the growing up, while also highlighting the strong

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Speaker 1: bonds between mothers and children and lifelong female friendships. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to one of my lifelong female friendships, my beautiful

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Speaker 1: daughter Luca. Hi, Hi, mom, thanks for having me. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're here. Okay, we're just going to

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Speaker 1: jump into this because we're so excited. We haven't seen

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Speaker 1: the finale yet, so if you have, don't tell us anything,

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Speaker 1: but we are going to talk about what we think

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Speaker 1: should happen. What do you think is going to happen, Luca.

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Speaker 2: I feel a little pessimistic. I don't think we're to

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Speaker 2: get the ending that we want.

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Speaker 1: Wait, what's the ending you want?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you and I agree that we're both

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Speaker 2: Team Conrad.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I've rethought that Team Conrade for sure in my heart.

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Speaker 1: But then I thought back to the times when I

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Speaker 1: was in the Triangle and I was one of the teams, yeah,

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Speaker 1: back in the day, a long time ago, and I thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: that that really did not feel good to be on

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Speaker 1: one of the teams. So now I've decided to not

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Speaker 1: try to not pick a team or say there are teams,

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Speaker 1: but that's true, there are there are people out there

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Speaker 1: that want both cases. I don't know who would want

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Speaker 1: youremia at this point, just saying, but there.

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Speaker 2: Like something I actually wanted to pose to you is

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Speaker 2: that we always put the woman in the center of

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Speaker 2: the triangle, just as like a culture like Kelly Taylor's

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Speaker 2: center of the triangle. Even Twilight bella center of the

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Speaker 2: triangle with the werewolf guy and yeah, got it. But

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Speaker 2: with Belly, I feel like it might be a multi

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Speaker 2: shape dimension and that's just how real life is. And

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Speaker 2: maybe she'll have many more love shapes and triangles. And

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Speaker 2: we have this new love interest, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I know the guy, the new guy in town.

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Speaker 2: He's from Spain, Mexico. In Mexico.

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Speaker 1: He wants to go to her, to go to his grandma's.

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Speaker 2: He wants to take her around the world, show her

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Speaker 1: But that's how it goes like in life. It's ever

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Speaker 1: going to be just between you. And maybe you're lucky

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Speaker 1: and you're into a love triangle because that's a fun

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Speaker 1: place to be, but there's always going to be something someone,

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Speaker 1: some other decision or choice that we have to make

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Speaker 1: in our life. You're so right, but this is the brow.

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Speaker 2: Up as part of that. That's right, it's part of that,

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Speaker 2: and as your world expands, I think there's room for

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Speaker 1: That's what we're watching Belly grow up. We've watched her

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Speaker 1: grow up. I mean, for those of you that don't

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Speaker 1: have a teenager, don't know a teenager, don't speak teenage,

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Speaker 1: you probably have no idea what we're talking about. But

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Speaker 1: if you're a mom of a teen like me that

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Speaker 1: got sucked in, and not only like I wanted to

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Speaker 1: watch it because I wanted to hang out with you guys,

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Speaker 1: secretly I want to be in your cool kids.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. I saw a couple of

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Speaker 2: key scenes and you got hooked.

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Speaker 1: I did, I honestly did. I got hooked, But I

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Speaker 1: didn't stick around for the second season, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm back, and I feel so passionate about what

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Speaker 1: is happening, Like I see her having this moment, this

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Speaker 1: think that's what's happening?

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm not team her choosing herself just for like

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Speaker 2: the closure of this story.

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Speaker 1: But wait a minute, because.

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Speaker 2: What season did you have this moment where you had.

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Speaker 1: To make a choice I think fifth season.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, then the season's continued. If we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: the final conclusion when the season finale series.

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Speaker 1: What blows my mind.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can have this art, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. It's just.

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Speaker 1: Why does it have to be the series finale? Why

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Speaker 1: can't it just be the season finale and then we

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Speaker 1: can come back for more next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we fall in love with the characters. I feel

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Speaker 2: like there's so much space for that world to keep expanding.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's not the end. Maybe there's a spin off

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Speaker 2: of her life in Paris.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've watched that. It's been interesting. I like

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Speaker 1: seeing her on her own in Paris. How about you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm feeling like I'm watching a different show now.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I really love the world that

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Speaker 2: the creator Jenny Hawn built in that specific place called Cousins,

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Speaker 2: the summer of it, and now this show is kind

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Speaker 2: of expanding into thall spanning in the winter, and I'm

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Speaker 2: losing that kind of summer magic. But then it shows

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Speaker 2: me as a viewer, but again, it's just because I'm

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Speaker 2: like frustrated because there's not a lot of time left.

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Speaker 2: I'm like how is she going to tie it all up?

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Speaker 2: But I have faith. I have faith that she'll make

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Speaker 2: it all shiny with a nice bow.

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Speaker 1: It feels like she kind of already chose herself in

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Speaker 1: a way, because she left all the madness, got on

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Speaker 1: that airplane without seeing Conrad in the shadows. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: she chose herself. She chose to go to Paris, and

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Speaker 1: then she continued to choose herself. She found an apartment,

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Speaker 2: She's French, she's she has a job.

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Speaker 1: Like she's choosing herself left and right. Yes, So it's

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Speaker 1: as if she's already having her I choose me moment.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel. But I guess the show being

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Speaker 1: that it's the finale, forever never coming back.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: They want like a bo they want something that we

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Speaker 1: I want to know. Mm hmm. I feel like at

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Speaker 1: this point, if she chose herself, I too would feel disappointed.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think it's I don't think it's a

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Speaker 2: off because she loves. I don't know. Are people still

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Speaker 2: saying that she's going to go back and get back

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Speaker 2: together Jeremiah. I feel like she But that made me

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Speaker 2: sad too. Sorry. I have a lot of thoughts in

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Speaker 2: there all happening and want give it to me that

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Speaker 2: she didn't get the I Choose me moment at the wedding.

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Speaker 2: That made me really sad. I really wanted her to

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Speaker 2: herself first, and I didn't see that with Jeremiah.

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Speaker 1: Wait and tell me what happened. Why did the wedding

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Speaker 1: not happen? I watched it.

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Speaker 2: I just can't didn't happen because Jeremiah called it off.

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah called it off. Wait what dinosaur?

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Speaker 2: Yep? Yeah, pretty crazy. So I really wish I saw

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Speaker 2: a little bit more of like herself choosing her in

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Speaker 2: And now she's finally getting there. So I'm proud of

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Speaker 2: is it too little, too late in a way, or

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Speaker 2: is it never too late to choose yourself. That's what

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's never too late to choose yourself. But

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Speaker 1: I just want her to have lasting love with someone

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is the kind of stuff that we

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Speaker 2: talk about, you and me, Lolathiana, Like we sit around

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Speaker 2: and we all talk about how this show relates to

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Speaker 2: our identity as women and femal empowerment, and like we

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Speaker 2: really dissect the characters and how it affects us. And

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Speaker 2: I think the showrunner is super aware of that, like

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Speaker 2: the impact she's having and giving a voice to women

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Speaker 2: and such an amazing lead and having an Asian female

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Speaker 2: so crazy all the time, as perfect as belly. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I feel like we're seeing television change before our eyes.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel, I know as a mom. Like

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Speaker 1: the first season I was in and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's a little risque, but okay. And then season three

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Speaker 1: they're like dropping f bombs and hooking up left and right.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Whoh, what age group is this show really for?

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Speaker 1: I love a love story doesn't matter how old you

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Speaker 1: aren't you always going to love a love story. So

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Speaker 1: what's going on is the difficult choice between Conrad and Jeremiah.

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Speaker 1: And even though the decision has been made, we don't

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Speaker 1: it has all just made us really stop and think

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Speaker 1: and talk about choosing me. And this time it's not

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Speaker 1: from Kelly, it's from Belly. How do you think that

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Speaker 1: that message is landing for the younger generation that's watching

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Speaker 1: that grew up with Kelly Taylor, they are like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, this is it. She just having her I

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Speaker 1: fully relate. But when you're looking at it with younger eyes,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think so. I think the show started

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Speaker 2: up before our eyes and cheering her on, like I said,

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Speaker 2: from a big sister perspective, and wanting her to keep growing.

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Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, we're invested. I'm invested in Belly just like

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Speaker 1: people were invested in Kelly. So I get it now.

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Speaker 1: From me, It's so fascinating to look at it from

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Speaker 1: an outside perspective, but with the wisdom of years and

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Speaker 1: the knowledge of what choosing yourself can do for you

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Speaker 1: in your life. So I just see it so crystal clear.

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Speaker 1: But it also makes me remember that Kelly only chose

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Speaker 1: herself for you know, a couple months, two months, maybe

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. I think people can go through phases where

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Speaker 2: they prioritize themselves and then priorities can shift, Like when

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Speaker 2: you're a new mom, your priority is not going to

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Speaker 2: be yourself for a couple months, you know, sure, it's

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Speaker 2: about coming back and always remembering that you can choose

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Speaker 2: again to make yourself the priority and reinvest in yourself.

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Speaker 2: So I think you can have choosing seasons.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well, one thing I know is that

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Speaker 1: this show has been such a joy for me to

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Speaker 1: get into with my daughters. Like we will watch the

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Speaker 1: show and two of us will be in one house,

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Speaker 1: and one of us will be across the country in

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Speaker 1: another house, and we all either get together to watch

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Speaker 1: the other people. But sometimes I can't wait that long.

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Speaker 1: I'm not that impatient.

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Speaker 2: Watch it during the day, just absolute badness.

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Speaker 1: I know that's kind of like against the law, but

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Speaker 1: sometimes I guess I gotta find out things, you know.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have time to watch it, but I just

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Speaker 1: love the way it's bringing multi generations together. And I

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Speaker 1: really see that now again from such a different perspective,

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Speaker 1: because that's what nine o two one to Ozho did

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Speaker 1: for so many people and their kids, and now just

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Speaker 1: being able to do that with my kids, I feel

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Speaker 1: like everything is full circle, you know. It's just how

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Speaker 1: things evolve, and it's meant to be that we're all

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Speaker 1: watching it together. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you, mama.

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Speaker 1: I love your baby. Thanks for hopping on teste laters.

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Speaker 2: Ye