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And you know, Christina is full of energy. 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.959 She's she's awesome, awesome person. And uh, hope you guys 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:15.239 enjoy this interview. 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.240 I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.320 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.359 And when I find my ball in a brid egg 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.040 Friday egg, the dreaded Friday Frida Egg fridagg brid Egg 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.600 fridagg bride egg Lie. I'm about ready to run off 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:29.520 of the home course. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.400 Is it is this like the longest you've been home 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.120 for a long time, I've had to like you the offe, 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:46.160 like the holidays. 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.560 Yeah, by far, this is the longest I've been home 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.000 whatever home, maybe, whether it's California or here in Orlando, 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.720 where I currently live. So this is the longest I've 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.080 been home for I don't know, almost twenty years. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:03.680 It's gotta be wild. 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:10.119 It's it is wild because another reason why I live 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.960 in Florida is because once it gets hot, I'm not here. 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:18.040 So I don't mind living in Florida because I don't 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.720 have to deal with the unbearable weather at times. And 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.320 so I'm sitting here and I'm like, Okay, we're in 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.880 the you know, second week of April, and it's ninety degrees. 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:28.680 I mean today it was actually quite nice. It's like 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:32.840 eighty two. But it's so humid right now anyway, and 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.160 I'm just like I want to be I mean, clearly 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:38.920 right now this week we would be in Hawaii. So 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.120 I would much rather be in Hawaii obviously. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.960 Yeah, that's a tough thing. Is like everybody, especially like 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.040 the tour pros and Scott's Sale. They're going to be 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:53.040 getting into the hot weather there, and Florida is getting hot. 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:56.680 It's like almost it's not the time you're used to 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.480 being home. So what have you been doing to keep 0:03:58.520 --> 0:03:59.240 yourself busy? 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.960 Well? I my county here in Florida. Since the state 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.040 of Florida has gone into a month long, month long 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:13.360 shelter in place, my county has decided to allow golf 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:18.680 to be considered an essential activity with people that have 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.240 a tendency to oftentimes come and retire in Florida. You're 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.560 going to have people that come down to Florida with 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:29.600 the the goal of wanting to play golf all the time. 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.120 So I think, you know, when you're even though you're 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.719 in that more sensitive age range, that could be you 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:40.280 know more, you know, the complications of getting COVID nineteen 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.520 could be worse. All they want to do is play golf. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:49.159 So I've been playing twenty seven holes a day minimum 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.520 this last week. My golf course is a private course 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.640 here in Orlando. They close down the driving range, so 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:01.000 it's been a lot of fun just basically just pulling 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.240 up out of the car grabbing like I leave my 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.039 golf cart here at the cart barn, grabbing your cart 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.240 and then taking a couple of swings, doing a couple 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:13.520 of stretches, and then it's just like crack like five times. 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.240 And you know, because we're playing five sums a bit. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.640 We play in like three and our three three and 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.400 a half hours or something like that for eighteen holes 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.040 because everyone's got their own cart. But it's just it's 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.680 a lot of grunting throughout the throughout the day for 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:26.960 the first few holds. 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.360 You do you are you normally more of a rain 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.240 trat or do you play more. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:38.280 Well when the range was open? I would practice. I 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.800 do enjoy practicing because I'm in a constant I mean, 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.840 I'm fairly fortunate because you know, when you look at 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.520 like you know I have my flight scope or when 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.039 I get on track man or whatever, my path angle 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:54.800 is never more than one degree, you know, whether it's 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.360 coming over the top a little bit or coming from 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.360 the inside a little too much. So my swing pap 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.679 is pretty much always at zero. But I do always 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:06.479 feel like I'm working on something. And I also have 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.719 a tendency to I mean, like some of my Caddie's 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.120 least favorite words, or let me try something here, like 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:14.840 in the middle of a tournament, and you know, like 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:16.480 most of the time because I'm just like, you know, 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.280 I'll try something and I'm confident with it, so it's 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.800 going to be okay, you know. So I do like 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.560 to play around with shots, but I like to balance 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.400 a bit of both. And when I say balance, I 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.159 mean hip balls for an hour, putt for like thirty minutes, 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:35.200 and then play twenty seven. For me, golf is golf 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:40.440 is everything I did however last week, or I have 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:42.240 no concept of what day of the week it is 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.119 right now. It might have been earlier this week. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.760 It's funny how that works, like no no concept whatsoever, 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.160 because the every day seems like it's the same. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.520 Exactly like I all I know is next week, on Wednesday, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.240 I am going to be going and donating platelets over 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.680 at one of my local blood clinics. So it's like 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.719 the time I'm legitimately using my calendar app on my 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.320 phone because normally I'm like, okay, it's practice roun day. 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.279 So chances are it's Tuesday, maybe a Wednesday because we 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:09.960 have a couple three day events, or if it's a program. 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.360 It's like, all right, boom Wednesday at the very earliest, 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.400 most likely Thursday. And then you know, if I'm you know, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.720 once I know the cutspan made, I'm like, okay, it's Saturday. 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.680 And then when you you know it's I have not 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.440 had to worry about what day of the week it 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.960 is for a very long time, so it's, uh, you know, 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.120 this is the I guess you know, I mean first 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.440 first not even first world problems, these are first class 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.640 world problems. And so I'm just like, I think it's Friday. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.960 I'm going to go it is Friday. I did have 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:47.400 a I thought for at some point today, I was like, God, 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.760 it's Thursday, because I think I saw somebody posting something 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.280 about August said I thought they said like it would 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.160 be a great first round today, and I was like, 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:56.400 wait is it? 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.880 Yeah? I I well and like when you like, my 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.240 brain was not My brain just has not been working. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.360 I don't I don't have a concept of a lot 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.760 of normal things, if you will, So when you know, 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:12.680 when we're trying to figure out timing for everything, and 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:19.480 I'm like, wait what they where are we now? And 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:20.920 like and then on top of that, my phone. I 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.080 always leave everything on military time. So I'm like, wait 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:27.240 a minute, where Okay, hold on, I'm like Andy's in Chicago. Okay, 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.280 let's try and figure out what is happening. Yeah, it's 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.559 it's for so many reasons, a crazy, crazy world we're 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.920 in right now, Like these are the smallest of problems 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:38.320 that any of us are having to deal with. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:42.000 Yeah, so you know, I don't want to talk too 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.040 much about it. I think I uh, my job is 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:49.440 to keep people, keep keeople, people's minds off of you know, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.520 what's going on. So I'm curious you you are, You're 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.400 an architecture golf course junkie, and you know, when you're 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.440 on tour a lot of times you sneak in rounds 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.640 during the week at courses nearby or on the way 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.600 from one stop to another. And I'm just curious, when 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.680 did this When did this practice start? When did you 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:15.240 start really exploring courses that you weren't playing on a 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:16.200 given week on tour. 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.960 Well, so my boyfriend, Duncan French, he's from New Zealand 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.240 and he we've been together, it'll be ten years in July. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.760 He and I started, Yeah, obviously ten years. So we 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:31.240 started dating ten years ago, and he's always been a 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:35.040 huge fan of golf architecture. And I always say that 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.160 I'm very fortunate because I basically grew up between Pebble 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.439 Beach and Olympic Club, and so I have, in theory, 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.920 had a lot of access to some pretty phenomenal golf 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.760 courses growing up. That being said, I was very I mean, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.040 I was a stupid kid. I knew nothing. I was 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.920 just like very just like the play golf and be like, 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.440 oh that put was fast, and oh this course is 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.080 pretty and all of that stuff. So I would say, 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.560 really sickly, this has probably been something that's kind of 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.280 been ruined for the last five to seven years or so. 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.360 I don't I was always the kind of person where 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:10.959 was like, well, if I'm on tour, I'm always going 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.840 to find something wonderful about the tournament, because you know, 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.720 we could be on a golf course that some players 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.320 will say it's crap or whatever, but I'll be like, Okay, 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.280 but you know, the food's great in the city, or 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.199 our fans are awesome, or you know we've got one 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.880 or two really tough holes that I can really appreciate 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.840 things like that. But in the last few years, Duncan's 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.400 really gotten me into architecture, and we've gotten to know 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:36.600 Michael Clayton really well, and he's just he's he's a legend. 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.720 He's an absolute legend. I love that guy so much. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:45.080 And I know, isn't it amazing? How like, you know, 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:49.880 I know Michael through the Internet and then like when 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:51.760 I met him for the first time, I was like, 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:56.319 oh my god, you're exactly what I like I expected. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:56.200 You to be. 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.560 You know, for sure who he is, who he is 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.640 it is, so it's like refreshing, how like, you know, 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.000 how honest and just like authentic he is. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.520 For sure for sure. I mean he's very ozzy in 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.319 that sense, because they don't like to sugarcoat stuff. They 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.800 just say things how it is. It's it's not you know, 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.319 even if it's like say, if it's a criticism or 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.280 something like that, they're like, I'm not I don't have 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.200 any personal stake in this. I'm just telling you this 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.680 course is crap or you know, like which he says 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:31.520 quiet a bit to be there. But he's he's just remarkable. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:35.160 I love him to death. And although I have yet 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.960 to meet Tom Duncan, Duncan's been a fan obviously of 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:39.800 history years and you know, a couple of years ago 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.080 we had the opportunity to go play tarat Et and 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.000 that was just that place just blew my mind. Although no, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.040 to be fair, I would say my my real appreciate 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.920 the very, the very, the tiniest seedling of appreciation of 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.280 golf architecture kind of came about when we were at 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:59.200 the two thousand and ten US Women's Open, because it 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.160 was we were over at Oakmont and the fact that 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.400 I was able to go and see the church pews 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.040 and just be able to really grasp the idea of 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.560 just such a big golf course and how amazing and 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.440 miraculous the rolls of the hills were, how natural it 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.599 felt while you're you know, playing the ball along the 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.839 ground because it's firm, ash shit, and so you have 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.160 to you know, you can't. It was a little different 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:21.720 when the guys were there a couple of years ago. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.559 But you you know, especially with being the ladies, you 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.760 don't have as much clubhead speed. You're having to you're 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.200 being required to hit different shots. We only play from 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.520 you know, like three hundred yards shorter than the guys do. 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:34.320 So these guys will be hitting driver and hitting a 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.560 wedge whereas we're going to be hitting driver and then 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.600 so they're sixty yards past us anyway, and then they're 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.160 usually two clubs longer than us as well. So it's like, okay, 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.960 well you've got a wedge and I'm going to hit 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:46.720 a five iron and you're going to land it past 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.560 the flag and spin it back. I'm going to have 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.720 to actually utilize the ground and chase something up so 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.480 to be able to be at a golf course at it. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.959 For some reason, something just clicked and it just really 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:01.600 showcased how remarkable the structure of the ground was. So 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.480 that's probably where the seedling was really start, where it 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.360 really started to flourish. I think my first encounter with 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.160 like true links golf was at my very first Women's 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.360 British Open, which was at Royal Livem in Saint Anne's 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.040 and for me is still my favorite golf course in 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.120 the UK. I've not been fortunate enough to play all 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:25.240 of the greats yet, but there's just something so remarkable 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.240 about you know, Like I as soon as I started 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.280 playing that course, I was like I fell in love immediately, 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.720 played like absolute dog shit the very first time, but 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.800 I was hooked to links golf because you know, it's 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.920 not just bomb and gouge. You have to use angles. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:41.840 You have to be able to know when to play 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.200 the ball up, when to play the ball down, understand 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.720 how you know the natural contours of just everything within nature, 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.040 whether it's you know the wind where it's coming from, 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.320 and there's a difference between a one o'clock wind or 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.360 a win that's at one point thirty and how much 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.320 that can affect your ball. It's just it's I don't know, 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:01.120 it's just that was there was there was a brief 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.439 lull in time when when I think began, I was 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.120 stupid as a kid, like my brain just kind of 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.520 shut off. But partly with getting to know Duncan and 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.160 starting to date him and just you know, the network 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:12.960 that he's got and all the people we've spoken to, 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.000 and you know, we've got a really good friend who 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.400 funnily enough, his name is tom Watson. His dad is 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.520 his dad's a golf nerd. I think his sister's name 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:28.920 is it's either Augusta or Azalea. One of those is 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:30.920 her first name and one of those is her middle name. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.920 And so Tommy would go and he like when we're 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.760 in the UK. He would call up during the tournament 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.600 week and be like, hey, you know I'm here with 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.800 you know, you know now presently Dame Laura Davies and 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.480 I'm Tom Watson. We want to come out and play. 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.240 And the story where he came he came to this 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.520 one golf course. I forget the name of it. I'll 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.400 have to ask Duncan later, where like the president of 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:57.520 the club, they're like greens keeper and everybody came to 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.640 watch them play at dawn. And so Laura shows up 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.000 and Tommy's there and he's like this like he might 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.480 he's like five eight five nine, but he must weig 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.320 one hundred and twenty pounds soaking way, and he found 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.280 hers up to the golf course and they're like, who 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.840 is this scrub And he's like, I'm the Tom Watson 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.080 you spoke to. It's not my fault if you thought 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.080 I was, you know, one of them was ever And 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.480 so he's he's been a huge impact on me as 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.240 well in terms of understanding and appreciating golf architecture. And 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.600 he's he's a lot like Michael where he just says 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.160 it how it is and he has very like I 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:35.200 will say. He's got very very colorful language. You know. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.880 That's it. You just uncovered a great way to Everybody 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.160 always asks like how do you get access to courses? 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.600 You know, just change your name. Change your name to 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.440 Marco Mira, Tom Watson. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.480 Maybe legally first, because then you're not technically. 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.480 Five exactly, that's what I Just legally change your name 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.800 and then you can, you know, make it one of 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.720 the great golf names and you'll get out at anywhere 0:15:59.720 --> 0:15:59.960 you want. 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.480 Yeah, we're not We're not all like Tom Jokes, who 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.280 could just call places up, you know, like when he 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.240 first started, Like, you can't just you can't just call 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.000 places up because now there are a lot of them are 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.760 more wise to the you know randoms wanting to come 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:13.440 in if you will. 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:19.240 Yeah, yeah, it's uh the uh, that's what I mean. 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.080 One of the toughest things. And that's what the beauty 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.320 of like you know, the UK and in Australia as 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.120 you can go see them. I'm curious you've played golf 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.040 competitively all around the globe and you've gotten to play 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.200 you know, then casually also at all these places. You know, 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:37.080 where where's your is it? What part of the world 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:38.320 is your favorite to play in. 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:45.480 Oh, It's it's hard to say. In terms of complete 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.240 golf experience, I would say New Zealand without a doubt. 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.960 There's And when I say New Zealand, I mean realistically, 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.320 the only truly remarkable course that I've played over there 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.360 yet was Tara Edie and that is like my number 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.920 one in the entire planet for my entire lifetime. I 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.640 for me, for various reasons. Oakmont was number one for 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.479 you know, about six or seven years, and then I 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.600 went had the opportunity to go and play tar At 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:14.920 eighty and it just blew my mind. And obviously since 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.119 Suncan's from New Zealand, I am very partial to it. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.800 I will say, if you know, if anyone's everythinking, oh, 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.160 you know, I'd love to go do a golf trip 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.560 down in Australia, this that whatever, and I might do 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.960 like a quick layover stop over in New Zealand. Two things, 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.520 because I absolutely and I mean stand built golf and 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.120 just golf in Australia is just it's so good. There's 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:40.280 something about just really good, rich, nutritious soil that you 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.679 can just there's there's it just changes the way that 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.400 golf is played and so I would say, if you're 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.800 really thinking that you should do one or the other, 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.800 you can't get anything done in New Zealand that you 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.160 would want to in a couple of days you need. 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.240 You know, the last time I was there, well not 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:58.880 the last time I was there, but the previous time, 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:00.960 I was there for about twenty days, and I don't know, 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.080 I got to do about five percent of what I 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.000 wanted to. It is. It is the most spectacular place 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:06.440 on earth. 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.320 That's why it's like California, but with a fraction of 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.240 the people, right, a. 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.960 Fraction of the people. The food, like you can taste 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.560 the sunshine and the tomatoes there's there are like no GMOs. 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.480 I don't even think they understand what GMOs are over there. 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.679 The meat is so fresh, the seafood is remarkable, Like 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.719 you just go, you just go and fish. Just you 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.960 can truly forge for yourself pretty much anywhere. The wine is, 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.320 you know, if you like pino noirs and Sauvignon blancs, 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.320 they're truly among the best in the world. The people 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:43.120 are incredible, and like when it comes to Australia, which 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.400 is you know, so for me it's probably that you know, Australasian, 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.119 you know, down under kind of golf would probably be 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.920 my overall favorite. There's so much that I appreciate about 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:57.000 appreciate about golf in the UK as well, But there's 0:18:56.160 --> 0:19:00.000 it's so cold sometimes that it's nice to be able 0:18:59.960 --> 0:19:03.199 to have, you know, a day when it's like seventy 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.960 eighty ninety one hundred degrees and then yeah, if you 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:07.760 wanted to go in the fall and play when it's 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.000 like fifty degrees or something like that, that's great. But 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:11.480 you're just sitting there and just like if you're going 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.240 to like be like, oh, okay, I'm gonna go ploy 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.840 Hoylake or I want to go over and play Hesscat 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:18.679 or something like that, it's like you got to You 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:20.600 can't just book your flight two months in advance. You 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.119 gotta like look at the fourteen day forecast. You're like, 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:24.399 oh my god, it says that they're going to be 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:26.040 into a heat wave. It's going to be ninety four 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.560 degrees in six days. I'm buying my ticket now so 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:32.320 I can play on that day. You know, if you 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:36.880 wanted to have like that enjoyable, warm experience, like obviously 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.439 when we go for the Scottish open and the Women's 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:43.159 British open. You know, that's you anticipate having that, the 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:47.480 slashing down rain, the gale force wins all of that stuff. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.359 And that's one of the things I really love whenever 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.480 I do go over there and I and I expect 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:55.439 it like it's it's one thing that I look forward 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:59.280 to because I love when conditions get not just tough, 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.280 but like it gets to the point where you sit 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.119 there and you're like, you know a lot of people 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:04.880 are like, I don't even know what to do here, 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:08.720 Like I'm one fifty out. You know. I would normally 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:10.680 hit like a strong eight or a little seven or 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.040 something like that, and I'm like, all right, dude, like 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:15.879 you go ahead and take your seven iron and just 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.360 watch it just wafted up into the wind and come 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.080 forty yards short. I'm gonna chip a little five iron 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:22.960 and just kind of run it up into the green 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.800 and hit it to like ten feet Like it's that's 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.760 It just requires so much creativity. But it's also nice 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:30.159 to be able to have the option be like, but 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:32.400 a few months later you can go and play when 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.800 it's like one hundred degrees, and then you know, six 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.479 months later you can go back and it'll be like 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.440 you're at the British Open and things like that. Again, 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.960 that being said, everything in Australia is trying to kill you. 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:46.600 That's the only thing. I think that's one of the 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:48.600 things that makes me want to do New Zealand more 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.439 than Australia because literally everything is trying to kill you 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.359 from the smallest bug you can get, like your heart 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:59.040 punched out by a kangaroo, like obviously, saltwater crocs, bull sharks. 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.800 I love love Australia and then love the culture. I 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.280 love their like, you know, not not care free, but 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.040 they're just so like chilled out and relaxed, and you 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:11.360 know they do also love to drink and it's it's awesome. 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:15.080 And New Zealand is very very similar. But nobody's trying. 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:16.720 Nothing's trying to hurt you over there. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:21.359 Would you say, like Australia and New Zealand, if you 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:24.040 put like a spectrum together and you've got the UK 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.560 on on one end and you've got the US on 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:28.320 the other, it's kind of right in the middle. 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.920 No, it's a lot closer to UK in my opinion. 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.159 I you know, obviously I love I was born and 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.000 raised here in the US. I'm I'm a very proud American, 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:41.240 but most of the time I'm proud to be American. 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:48.000 And I think that there's just recently there's just been 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:55.760 this un like inexplicable and like completely inexcusable reason that 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:57.720 people are. 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:04.959 Becoming obsessed with green, lush, grass, bomb and gouge. You know, 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:07.280 you can have a green like you know, a lot 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:13.640 of the complexities of golf courses have been lost due 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:18.360 to so many trees out there. You know, you're sometimes 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:19.840 you feel like you're only on one hole at a 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:21.840 golf course at a time, which I can understand. At 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.040 times you want to have that sense of seclusion and 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.200 things like that, but you don't see any other parts 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:28.800 of the golf course other than the hole that you're on. Greens. 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:32.119 Although you know, I love fast greens, I don't think 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:36.640 that putters, like the best putters, necessarily showcase themselves when 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:40.480 greens are fast. I think that a lot of times, 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.000 like green complexities and things like that are are sort 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:46.359 of taken away when greens are too fast. So I 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.359 don't know, it's just it's just American golf is just 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.560 very different these days. Unless you go to somewhere like 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:53.960 a you know, like the Loop or if you were 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:58.359 to go to you know, like I played the Sandbox 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:01.720 and Mamasoons when we were over in Wisconsin and things 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.160 like that, And so I think that in a perfect way. 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:06.720 And also, I mean, like we've been in like a 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.600 national drought for ever, so you would think that people 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.480 would want to appreciate the idea of brown as beautiful 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.120 for if nothing else, just so that we can have 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:22.600 water accessible to everybody and not have random wildfires just 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:28.000 scourging the entire earth. But that's something else altogether. But 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:29.720 I would I would put it a little bit closer 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:33.479 towards the UK than to the US, in my opinion. 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:36.320 I wanted to talk about this a little later, but 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.520 I'm curious. You're you're like one of the ogs of 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.520 the LPGA tour. You've been you've been on it for 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:47.920 almost twenty years now, which and I'm curious about how 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:53.639 the tour has evolved since you were what nineteen eighteen 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:57.240 year old on tour today. 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.879 Well obviously just like just like on the Men's Tour, 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:02.720 because I know they just they just showed like the 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.199 ninety seven Masters, and you know, you look at the 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:07.040 players out there, And I was talking with one of 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:09.640 my friends this morning and he was like, yeah, they 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:13.760 you can definitely tell like the the field back then 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.520 looked a lot more like there's just a sea of 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:20.560 substitute teachers, whereas now everyone looks more like actual athletes, 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:21.200 if you will. 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:28.120 Which it did make me laugh when when he told 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:36.639 me that, yeah, it's you know, so fashion aside. 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:38.200 And then he was like, and then you see Tiger, 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:41.879 who is this like life, you know, like panther like 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:44.879 figure that just sort of like slinked around like not 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.160 even like a time, not even like Tiger just wasn't 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.439 moving like a tiger. He was moving like a leopard 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:51.600 or like a panther almost, you know, because it was 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:55.080 just that sort of sinewy sort of just flow that 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:58.480 he had. And so there's a bit of that out 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.399 here on tour as well. The ladies obviously, you know, 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:04.000 they've always for the most part, they've always been relatively fit, 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.080 but there's been a huge explosion in terms of fitness, 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:12.680 a huge explosion in terms of understanding nutrition, and it's 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:17.320 gotten it's gotten a bit more business like for sure. Again, 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.520 I was so stupid when I first got out on tour. 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:24.760 I was oblivious to everything, so I can only talk 0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:27.280 about the things that I like know, so I don't 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:29.480 And again I don't also know if it's different because 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:32.560 I am those girls now, because like you said, I mean, 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.560 I'm entering my nineteenth year as a professional, my eighteenth 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:40.760 season on the LPGA tour, and I've seen everything. So 0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:42.840 now I'm at the age where I'm looking at these 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.920 kids that are the age that I was when I first, 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:47.720 you know, got my tour card and I was like, 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.720 I mean, I was stupid, but some of y'all are stupid. 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:58.920 I think everybody looks at their younger self and says that, yeah. 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:02.720 No, I was stupid, but there's stupid, Like they're stupid. 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:06.000 Like you know, like everyone's everyone's great and kind and wonderful, 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.040 but I'm just like like, I'm like I sit there 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.320 and I'm like, I'm like twice your age, but you 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.280 don't understand the concept of this version of new technology. 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:19.800 Like what, I didn't have a cell phone at your 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.080 age and you've had one since you were nine, Like. 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:23.359 I don't think about that. 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.639 It's it's it's remarkable, you know, or it's like you know, 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:30.440 if I like you know, I would like obviously, when 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:33.000 you're younger, it's like, you know, it's never your fault 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.119 because you're like, oh, like I knew I should have 0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:36.320 hit the eight iron, but you told me to hit 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:38.520 seven iron or something like that, and I you know, 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:39.959 would sit there and like, you know, because my dad 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:41.320 pattied for me on my first three and a half 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:43.320 years on tour, which is really cool because he was 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:45.399 there for my first win. He helped me gain my 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:49.760 first Soulheim Cup point, which was awesome, and you know, 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:51.840 I so we would have like you know, sat and 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:53.919 things like that, but that was also just because you know, 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:56.800 we we are identical in so many ways. So when 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.560 you're basically trying to get your point across to a 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:02.679 mirror that's voicing the opposite thing, it's really hard to 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:04.640 get anyone to back down. 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:08.440 But like some and it's their parent, it's your parent 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:12.919 like naturally, like they're they're supposed to tell you the 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.399 way to do it. But in a player caddy relationship, 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:16.400 it's so much different. 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:18.960 Well, and when you're a young adult as well, you 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.080 know you're supposed to be embarking on this journey to 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.080 learn things or whatever, and everyone like I was so 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:27.119 stupid back then that I was like, oh, I know everything, 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.240 And nowadays I look and I'm like, I still don't 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:31.840 know shit. So I don't know how you thought you 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:36.119 knew anything back then, But it's just like, I don't know. 0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:38.480 It's so funny because like after my dad stopped chatting 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:40.679 for me, I you know, and started working with other caddies, 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:42.000 It's like it got to the point where i'd hit 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.320 a bad shot and like I would instead of just 0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:46.040 being like, oh, you gave me a bad club, I'd 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:49.320 be like, oh, I'm an idiot because I decided to 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.959 go against my own personal thoughts and took your advice, 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.560 which you're only trying to provide me with assistance. But 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:59.119 I should have stuck to my guns. Whereas nowadays, like 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:02.080 even if I you know, I don't ask my caddies 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:03.879 for much like I have my own yardage book, I'm 0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:06.639 already calculating stuff, Like basically, from the moment I make 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:08.439 impact with my t shot, I have an idea of 0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:10.680 one to three clubs I'm going to hit into the green. 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:12.680 As soon as I make contact with my approach shot, 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:14.239 I already know what kind of put I'm going to have, 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:17.960 you know, And so nowadays it's like I don't. I'll 0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:19.840 ask for you know, I'll ask for a number, but 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:21.919 it's more like I got this, do you like something 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.840 around that number? And if I miss agreeen, like I 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:26.680 walk back and I like hand my club back moment, 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:28.840 I'm sorry I missed the green, Like I just like, 0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:32.120 it's amazing how much you can change as as a 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.679 as a player and just as a human being, and 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:36.400 the way you see things and the way you see 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:36.960 other people. 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:41.000 Now that's how you know, I played competitive golf up 0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:45.360 until like two years ago, really, you know, from since college, 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.240 and and I just you look think about like through 0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:51.000 the years, how like I didn't think I would get 0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.280 I was getting better and better, but I didn't think 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:55.680 that I was actually better. I was just becoming less 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:56.880 of an idiot. 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:00.760 Yeah, I think it sees for me. I think that 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:06.440 I just have an understanding of like the longer I've 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:10.239 been competitive, you know, because I was, like, I don't know, 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:12.560 twelve years ago, I was like top fifteen and driving 0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.800 distance might have been top ten, I'm not entirely sure 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.520 like whereas now, like you know, it's just such bullshit 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.120 with these like ginormous heads. I have no business being 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.720 like in golfers hands. These days, I've lost yardage, and 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.040 I don't know if it's because the golf club is 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:31.000 so big, or if it's because, like I like, if 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.160 you look at my driver, it's like the war spot's 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.280 dead in the middle every single time. And it's always 0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:37.320 been that way. But I was much longer back in 0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:40.960 the day, and so I kind of like, I sit 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:44.200 there and I'm just like, OK, I'm not. I don't 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.280 you know, I'm starting to get some distance back, but 0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:48.440 I'm not, you know, one of those kids that's hitting 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.040 at fifteen yards further now with all this technology or whatever. 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:54.560 But I know, I know myself as a player now, 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.120 Like I sit there and I'm like, I'm you know, 0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.400 I've always been a phenomenal ball striker, gotten to stand 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.959 my putting a little bit better and more than anything. 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.480 So much of golf, like truly is mental because you 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:08.160 sit there and it's like, you know, it's it's funny, 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.320 like I've got a couple of kids out here that 0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:12.760 I sort of I wouldn't really say mentor because I 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:16.400 teach you a lot, but you know, a kid Brendan Baldeesk, 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:18.719 who's just a remarkable golf where he signed with Auburn 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.960 as a freshman in high school. He just has these 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:25.200 un like he'll play like thirty yard draws and forty 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.560 yard cuts, and he'll play it high, he'll play it low. 0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.120 He'll you know, take his sixty four degree and throw 0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:32.160 it out one twenty and have it come back to 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.400 like ninety eight or something like that. It's it's unbelievable 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.400 some of the shots that he has, which provides me 0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:40.000 with hope for the future of golf in a lot 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:42.400 of ways. But like I sit there and I just 0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:46.040 kind of watch him, and I'm like, you're so impressive. 0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:48.200 But you know, when you when you get angry, I'm 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.440 just like, Okay, you didn't hit that shot perfect, Like 0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:54.400 that doesn't mean you're not in the water. Like kay, 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.760 Let's say you you ripped it back too far and 0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.200 it took the false front and ended up rolling thirty 0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.040 five yards where you carried it like one. Maybe you 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:03.600 could have thought of clubbing up one and just kind 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.680 of chipping something up there running it up, or you 0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:11.160 could sit there and think, okay, like my ball is here, 0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:14.960 now I can still make Birdie like doesn't have to 0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.760 be because you know, lip out for eagle or something 0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:20.480 like that. So I think a lot of it is 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.160 just like my mentality and my just understanding of it's 0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:27.480 not just that nothing is perfect because as a golfer, 0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:31.240 like we have that psychosis where we're always thinking, no, 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:34.280 it's never been proven that perfect can happen. But I 0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:37.120 maybe I'm the one. Maybe I'm the one that can 0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:41.080 prove it is it is possible. But nowadays, you know, 0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:43.160 instead of getting really angry at shots, I'm just like, 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.120 this is gonna be the sickest up and down anyone's 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:48.520 ever seen. Or you know, man, I didn't see that 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:50.480 coming or something like that. But that's not to say 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:52.560 that I'm going to immediately walk away with a bogie 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:56.000 or you know, I can still make birdie like this 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.120 year at when we were over at Royal Adelaide, which 0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:03.640 oh love that place so much. Like that it's so, 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:06.040 I mean, I'm not gonna lie. And I did feel 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.000 a little bad because after the tournament was over that night, 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.720 the entire grounds crew, which they had an unbelievable number 0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.040 of people that were there that would basically be up 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.360 at three o'clock in the morning, get the course in 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.320 christine condition, and then as soon as the last putt 0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.880 dropped at seven o'clock, they were back out there doing 0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:24.920 everything they got to keep the course perfect and do 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:27.800 it just you know, day in day out. So my 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.360 uh Duncan and I would kind of crash their after 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.120 party a little bit, and you know, because we just wanted, 0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:37.720 like one their their head their head. Pro Tony invited us, 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:40.000 but we just wanted to, you know, just go and 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:41.640 hang out with the guys and just be like, just 0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:43.720 you guys did such a great job, and I'm so 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:45.880 sorry you guys got so little sleep for so long. 0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:48.640 But let's chug a few beers, let's dance to a 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:50.800 little music, and let's just like have a rager and 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:54.400 celebrate everything that happened. And I was just like, I'm 0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:59.000 really sorry, Burh. But if I had to critique one thing, 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:01.080 because you know, and I was praising it the whole 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.200 week because I love that golf course altogether, I was like, 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.160 I'm not gonna lie, it was a little too green 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:08.080 for my liking. 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:11.920 If I had to be picky about anything, like think 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.200 of how much like not just tougher the golf course 0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:17.640 would play, but just how much more character of the 0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:19.680 golf course you could showcase. 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:24.800 By getting you know, like just getting people to understand 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.840 you know, yeah, I mean like because our balls were 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.240 probably you know, jumping six to seven yards just in 0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:32.760 the first balance from like but think about how crazy 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:34.960 it would have been where you're having to land something 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:37.440 eight yards short of the green to be able to 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:39.080 get it to stop in the middle because the winds 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:42.880 were whipping like there was just it was just remarkable. 0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:45.560 It was it was so much fun. Like those two 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:47.680 weeks in Australia were great, Like I think it was. 0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:51.280 We had like the long the strongest dust there in 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.040 the two weeks while we were playing was like seventy 0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.800 miles an hour or something like that. But because the 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.560 greens weren't rolling at twelve, the balls were not oscillating 0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:01.600 and they were rolling away, so we were able to 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:06.680 keep playing. And I don't think, like I think there's 0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:08.920 something so great because golf is an outdoor sport, like 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.680 weather happens, good draws happen. You play in the rain, 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:13.880 you play, someone else plays in the sunshine, whatever, like 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:15.880 stuff like that happens all the time. But you know, 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.640 there's no better metaphor for life other than golf in 0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:20.520 my opinion, because you sit there and you're like, boom, 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:22.920 pipe a drive down the middle of the fairway, Boom, 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:25.400 you know, hit it to eight feet and then boom, 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:27.480 hit a perfect put with perfect speed going right dead 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:29.440 in the center of the cup. And then there was 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:31.120 one blade of graph that you didn't see that just 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.280 veers it offline or something like that. You do everything 0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:35.240 right and you could still get screwed. 0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.600 Like then, and then your playing partner could hit a 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:41.480 crappy drive, a crappy second shot of mediocre chip that 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:44.240 then can is twenty footer and you make the same score. 0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.279 It's just it's just the thing. 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:49.839 It's a great equalizer. 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.839 Yeah, it's it's something you were talking about, you know, 0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.360 just with like firm conditions that I think one of 0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.799 my favorite things is when golf turns from you know, 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.000 distance to the pin to distance to front edge, and 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:06.719 that's what you're like, everything revolves around what's what's the 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.719 what's the yardist to the front edge instead of like 0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:12.160 that's what you're thinking about no matter where the pin is, 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:15.560 it's like okay, like and that's when golf really comes 0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:20.000 alive and I. You know, that's I think what every course, 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:22.759 especially in America, should be striving towards is like, how 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.640 do we get conditions where we're playing front edge golf 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:26.680 for sure? 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:29.960 For sure, or like say like Pinehurst Number two, which 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.880 I was very fortunate enough to play, you know, the 0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:35.200 day after I finished a two week long Q school 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:38.880 see like excursion, you know, I was. I I was 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:40.239 given the green light to be able to come out 0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:41.520 the next day and play, and I was just like, 0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:45.080 let go, Like I was so excited. So played the Cradle, 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.160 played number two, and it's just you sit there and 0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:50.040 it's like, Okay, you've got this massive, massive green that 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:53.800 realistically only sixty percent of it at the very most 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.560 is something you could actually play with. And within that 0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:59.719 sixty percent of the green, there's probably only thirty or 0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:03.560 forty percent that you can actually play with in order 0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:06.120 to give yourself a viable option at Verdie Like, I 0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:09.560 think there's just something just so remarkable at just being 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:13.880 able to just I don't know, like you know, utilize 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:17.799 the false fronts or you know, chase something up or 0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.080 I don't know. I think it's just there's just something 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:23.560 so cool about, you know, utilizing the ground because there's 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.920 it's like that's that's the thing that we're connected to 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.200 as human beings. You know, we're always connected to the ground. 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.680 And you know, it's just there's so much of golf 0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:33.960 and you know, even out here, like obviously there's a 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.080 lot of reasons why we play in carts. You know, 0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.000 one is just to continue with pace of play, and 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.560 I do understand that. But at the same time, like 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:43.040 there's so much more you can appreciate about a golf 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.520 course when you're walking it, you know, like that, and 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:47.560 that's one thing I love about you know, when like 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:51.879 I last night I was going through Tom dok had 0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:56.000 sent me, uh personalized coffees for Duncan and me the 0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:59.239 you know, four of his five h you know the 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:04.080 comment yeah yeah, and so just and just knowing that 0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.160 he's like, you know, I walk these golf courses and 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:08.720 that in theory was enough to be able to grasp 0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:11.239 the concept of the golf course, whereas a lot of times, 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.279 you know, like I know, there are some architects that 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:16.279 had come to a certain golf course that's you know 0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:18.560 in the midst of construction right now for their renovation 0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:22.000 that they just did a helicopter flyby it, or they 0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:26.359 legitimately opened up Google Earth and thought, this is how 0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:28.399 I'm going to change the golf course just based off 0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:31.439 of the topography alone. Whereas like, you know, a friend 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.680 of mine that I know, he was the only group 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:35.680 that went out and actually walked the grounds and was 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.160 able to truly get, you know, a feel of the 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.400 golf course as opposed to just a you know, quote 0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:44.000 unquote three dimensional you know view of it. 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:48.120 So I don't know, yeah, yeah, I mean it's you 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:51.360 get walking. You just noticed so much stuff I noticed, 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.680 like a lot of times now I just walk courses 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:57.040 because I can do it really quickly, you know, playing 0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:59.120 as if I want to go see somewhere and I 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:00.799 don't have a lot of time, I just go walk it. 0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:04.920 And like even without playing, like I've recognize so much 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.799 more stuff because I'm not just going around wherever my 0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:10.480 ball is, Like I'm just walking and I've I've you know, 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.239 you get singularly focused on your ball, you know, when 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.799 you're playing, it's like, okay, I'm going here, Like just 0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:17.879 like you were talking about, like you hit a shot, 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:19.759 you already are thinking about what am I going to 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:21.479 do on the next one, or what my putt's gonna 0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:22.920 be like? Or how am I going to get up 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:24.680 and down here? And you miss all the stuff that's 0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:28.720 going on anywhere away. You almost get tunnel vision. Something 0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:31.600 I was curious about. So something Tom dok has talked 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:38.320 about on my podcast is designing a designing a course 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:43.080 specifically for women. And if you were going to design 0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:46.520 a championship course for like the LPGA Tour, like like 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.160 a TPC sawgrass is for the PGA Tour, how would 0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:53.759 it be different than the traditional championship golf that you 0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.440 guys play week in week out if it was specific 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:58.000 for the women's game. 0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:02.520 I mean, first of all, it would be hard as 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:05.359 ship like like not not necessarily just difficult to ship, 0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:12.960 but it would be firm as shit. There would be hmm. 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:15.919 So yeah, I would make sure that we I would 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.840 I would probably do off rescue first and foremost because 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:25.120 rescu is my favorite favorite type of grass. I would 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:27.200 I don't know where I would put it. It would 0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:30.120 like for me just because like my favorite place to 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:33.160 play golf so far is like the Great the Great 0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:35.799 Lakes region. I have yet to play ballyt Neal or 0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:39.480 sand Hills, although Duncan did, and so he did the 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:41.600 two of them back to back day. So I didn't 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:44.600 talk to him for a week. I was not able 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:46.520 to go because someone had to play a golf tournament 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:49.560 and so I can't say anything to to the land 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:52.840 over there. But there would be I don't know, I mean, 0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:54.719 because the thing is you, it would it would be 0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:59.400 a call of course that you would want to challenge 0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:05.120 the PGA players. So to one end, you would almost think, okay, well, 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:07.400 if you look at the stats, and a lot of 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.400 it has to do with technique obviously, but a lot 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:11.719 of it also just has to do with a lack 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:14.520 of speed in comparison to the men. You know, the 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:17.760 Fairway's hit percentage is so much higher on the ladies' 0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:20.759 tour than it is to the men's tour. And then 0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:22.839 you kind of get into the battle of well, if 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.360 we're going to make it, you know, a women's golf 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:30.000 tournament course, do we want to have the tips pulled 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.439 back all the way to like eight thousand yards, which 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:36.280 is where technology is basically forcing us to go these days, 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.359 and then have like our tournament tea boxes like way 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:41.240 further up, or. 0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.439 Would you want to do it's all it's only for you. 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.680 You're only played one tournament a year on this golf course. 0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:51.279 It's LPGA. Say it's just the LPGA. You know you're 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:55.239 sixth major. We'll call it the gold standard of the LPGA. 0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:59.080 I would probably be about sixty nine hundred yards long. 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:05.280 There would be a lot of There wouldn't be crazy 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:07.480 amounts of elevation changes, but I would have a lot 0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:14.759 of false fronts. I would like to have, God, I 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:18.120 don't know. I mean, a radan would be nice, punch 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:21.600 bowl would be great. I don't have. I've only ever 0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:23.360 played one course really that I can think of that 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:26.080 have like a thumbprint green, So I don't know if 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.399 I would toss one of those in, but it would 0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:32.360 be firm, ash shit, it would be all rescue and again, 0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.120 like you sit there and you're like, okay, Well, in theory, 0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:39.319 if you want to really battle against the golf course, 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:42.160 of battle against the LPGA players, because they're such straight 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:44.480 drivers of the golf ball, Like you'd want to have 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:48.959 like twenty one yard fairways. But I don't believe that 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:54.320 narrow fairways should be what determines a course's difficulty, because 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:57.040 it's all about you know, I would want to make 0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:59.680 sure that you know, you would have you would have 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.200 to play angles because you would have to think like 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.520 in order to get here, like I would, I would 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:06.239 hope that if I created a golf course, I would 0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:08.799 get the players that were smart enough to think, Okay, 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:10.160 i'm gonna hit my drive, I'm gonna do this, I'm 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.120 gonna do that, I'm gonna get onto the green, and 0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.000 then based on where I think they're gonna put the 0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:17.080 whole locations, I'm gonna turn around and then see where 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:18.880 I have to drive the ball to in order to 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.600 access this kind of pin. So there wouldn't be like 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:24.880 you know, it wouldn't be like crazy undulations to the greens, 0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:27.400 but there would be a few like subtle slopes that 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:29.560 would you know, prevent you know it would it would 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:32.360 be very focused on making sure you hit your t 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:36.239 shots to the correct side of the green. You would 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.360 have bunkers with no rough between the fairway and the 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:41.440 and the bunkers. I'd want put fairways to run out 0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:44.759 into the bunkers. I sound really, I mean, I'm I'm 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:47.239 very I'm not. I you make it sound like I 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:49.120 know what I'm talking about when it comes to architecture, 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:50.960 whereas I'm more like, that's pretty I like that. 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:53.920 Yeah, No, I was just curious. I was thinking, like 0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:59.800 you is, you might have less bunkers pressed against greens, 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.759 especially if it's firm right, and you might have bunkers 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:06.759 a little bit back at greens where your landing zone 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.600 would be more so right because you'd want that ball 0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:12.200 to run up. And I mean, you could make fairways 0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:19.800 narrower by creating with with undulation and with undulation where 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:21.960 you know, if you don't hit a certain spot, your 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:25.279 ball goes really far right or really far left, you know. 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:29.400 But it's it's an interesting because like I've always thought, 0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.880 like you know, for you guys, what she hit on 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:37.040 like you, you need it to be more narrow than 0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:40.080 what you know, a standard golf courses. 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:46.560 I guess we do. I mean, I mean you, I mean. 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:50.280 You hit like you hit like what like eighty percent 0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:51.319 of your faaraways or so. 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:54.799 Probably to be honest. And and I sit there and 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:56.439 I'm just like, I can't believe I only hit eighty 0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:01.120 percent of my fairways. I wish well, Okay, so I 0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:03.120 do this a little bit with my friends. Okay, So 0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:05.520 let's say tell me, tell me the width of a 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:10.279 conservatively narrow fairway for you, like like a narrow. 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.600 Fairway, not just like thirty yards. 0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:16.200 Right, let's go twenty, right, because yeah, twenty yards. 0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:18.080 Is narrow twenty so yeah. 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.640 Okay, in one yard you have three feet, so in 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:25.440 twenty yards you have sixty feet. In one foot you 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:28.080 have twelve inches. So in sixty yards or sixty feet 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.400 a fairwa you have seven hundred and twenty inches. You 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:33.200 divisee seven hundred and twenty by one point eighty six, 0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:35.319 which is a diameter of golf ball. You can fit 0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:37.680 four hundred and twenty seven golf balls in a twenty 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.240 yard fairway side by side by side by side. 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.160 I mean, now you make it seem really wide. 0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:48.680 You only get one ball, too, so you one golf 0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:51.600 ball comprises of less than like it's like a quarter 0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:53.720 of a percent of a of a fairway. 0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:55.759 Yeah, and that's not even the part of the golf 0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:58.960 ball that's actually touching the fairway, Like it's for me, 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:02.759 it's all about person like that's that's one thing. Like 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:06.400 I don't know, Like when we were in at the 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.320 over at Royal Adelaide, like we played the whole number seventeen, 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:12.600 which Michael Clayton had done the redesign too that people 0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:15.200 were not happy with because he had a left or 0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:19.239 right sloping fairway with a couple of fairway bunkers in 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:20.680 the middle, so you can take it down the right 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.359 side or down the left side. And when I played it, 0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:27.239 you know, like it's a pretty severe slope on the 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:31.360 far left side, and it's it visually looks flatter and 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.279 more wide on the right. But again, like it's like 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:36.000 you go out there, you play your practice round, and 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:37.560 it's like you sit there and you're like, okay, well, 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:39.600 but there's like a fair there's a there's a bunker 0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:42.480 on the front right and then a hill before you 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:46.080 get to the green, and there's like there's a bunker 0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:48.000 way left, and there's some like a bunker you know 0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:49.799 over here and there in that, but there's this like 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.440 beautiful trough coming from the left side of the fairway. 0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:54.879 Wouldn't you want to hit it down the left side 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.640 of the fairway that so that you'd be able to 0:45:57.760 --> 0:45:59.200 utilize that left side and just kind of have it 0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:01.920 chased down there. And like, I don't know if it 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:04.080 was like eighty percent of the girls went down the 0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:06.600 right and I'm looking. I like, went down the right side, 0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:08.560 and I'm like, where the hell is the green? Like 0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.279 all basically all you see are bunkers, and like the 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:14.279 ability to hit into said bunkers because you're going to 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.960 have to play such a massive cut and then hope 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:20.120 for the terrain to take the ball in towards the fairway, 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:22.720 towards the green so you can maybe kind of nestle 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:24.000 it up to the front of the green. And I'm like, 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:26.480 it's like, it looks almost dead straight if you go 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.520 down the left side, and everyone's like, but it's so narrow. 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:30.680 I'm like, but you got this huge slope on the left, 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:33.799 so you could take it basically left in the rough 0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:35.600 and you're going to almost guarantee that your ball's going 0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:37.959 to come back into the fairway onto the flat fot 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:41.600 And Duncan was talking with Clayt's afterwards or during the week. 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.280 He told me afterwards he was like, clay You're supposed 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:46.560 to hit down the left side right on number seventeen, 0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:49.480 and you know, clayt'son his you know, klays Basher was like, 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:51.319 you know, fucking course you do. I mean, what kind 0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:52.880 of idiot would ever think that if you want to 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.160 actually give yourself a chance at you know, eagle although 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:57.279 it's a part four when the men normally play it, 0:46:57.320 --> 0:46:59.120 like why would you ever go down the right side 0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:01.279 like you're you know, and so I sit there and 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:04.120 I'm like, it basically showcases your your your weakness or 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:05.560 your fears if you're going to take it down the 0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:07.840 right side because you think that t shot is a 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:12.680 safe play. I'm like, you can't hit it like you 0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:14.719 you can't hit it into the fairy bunker from the 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:15.239 left side. 0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:20.560 Basically isn't interesting? How how when you know that that hole, 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.160 the way it sets up makes people make a decision 0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:26.480 and it's kind of if you're going to try and 0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:29.560 hit it down the left, it's going to be uncomfortable. Maybe, 0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:33.480 but because of that, they like automatically don't like it. 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.000 Because we're creatures of habit. We don't like being scared. 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:40.000 We don't like doing uncomfortable things like but that's all it. 0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:42.440 The only time it's ever uncomfortable is that very first 0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:44.680 time you hit it. Yeah, and then you hit your 0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:48.600 shot and you're like, huh, well now I feel stupid. 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:51.279 There's no there's basically no conceivable way for me to 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:53.600 hit it into those fairly bunkers if I go down 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.640 the left, because if the wind's coming off the left, 0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.000 I'll just aim further left and then it'll you know, 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:04.120 like it's it's it's just it's hysterical like that you 0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:05.440 should be down the right side. 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:09.360 I mean, the center center bunkers are so compelling in 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:14.239 tournament golf because it makes you make a decision. I 0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:18.880 played the mid am Stone Wall, which is a dope course, 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:22.600 and one of the I was coming down the stretch. 0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:26.200 I'm like on the bubble of match play, and we 0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.480 played a practice round at this hole and it's like 0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:31.759 I think it's a fifteenth hole or fourteenth hole on 0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:35.840 the on one of the courses at Stonewall, and there's 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:37.800 this tiny little bunker right in the middle of the 0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:39.560 fairway and we play the practice round. To me and 0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:42.040 my buddies are just like, I mean, I guess you 0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:45.359 just aim right at it, you know, because like the left, 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:47.080 the left is where you wanted to go, but there's 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:49.719 ob and like, you know, I'm not going to try 0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:51.560 and hit it, so I just like I'll just say 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:53.040 aim at it, Like what are the chances to be 0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:56.160 hitting in this two yard bunker, so fast forward, I'm 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:59.000 like on the bubble of masch play. Sure enough, hit 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:02.120 it right into the bunk, like hit her best drive 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:05.000 of the day, lance right into it, and like it's 0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.719 just like, but I was too chicken to make a decision. 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:13.360 So like, and if I was, if I was smarter, 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:16.239 I would have just you know, said hey, I'm hitting 0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:18.960 it up the left, I'm playing well, I can hit 0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:22.160 the shot. But I didn't, and I got penalized because 0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:25.080 of that. But everybody will say, oh, that's unfair because 0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:26.920 I hit it right down the middle of the fairway. 0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:31.239 See where I sit there, And I think, if I'm 0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:32.880 just going to aim at that bunker, I'm going to 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:35.000 hit it in that bunker because I'm that straight with 0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:38.279 my driver. And then also if we had had that 0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:40.919 talk about how big a twenty yard fairway is, because 0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:42.439 I'm sure there was at least twenty yards. 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:47.920 Oh yeah, there's like thirty and forty yards. Oh my god, 0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:52.440 come on, Andy, I mean, it was like the chance 0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:55.680 of me hitting the two yard bunkers. So but that's 0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:58.920 it makes you uncomfortable and it makes you do something 0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:00.680 you don't want to do, which I didn't want to 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:03.680 aim at a bunker, but I felt like I had 0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:05.480 to aim at the bunker I didn't have. 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:07.440 I wish I was chatting for you that day. I 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:09.600 would I would have been like, girl, now you're gonna 0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:11.799 you gotta man the hell up, like we're going down 0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.640 that left side. You've got this, you have this. 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:18.839 Hey, uh, I want to talk to you. I read 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:22.839 an Allan ship knock article from your from your rookie year, 0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:27.480 and si, I want I want to hear about driving 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:30.720 around the driving the country with your parents from staff 0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:31.280 to stop. 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.560 Yeah, no, we did this. Let's see. So I came 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:36.880 back to California. 0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:42.360 In August of two thousand and two because I finished 0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:45.600 my rookie and only year that I had played on 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:49.000 what is now the Semetra Tour then called the Future Tour. 0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:51.400 Finished number two on the money list. Back then they 0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:55.560 only gave out three cards and lost to loreno Ocho 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:57.080 for Player of the Year Rookie of the Year by 0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:00.000 like two hundreds or something like that, not that I 0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:03.480 you know, think about that actual or whatever. Mind you. 0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:06.120 She she heard season started in May, mind started in March, 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:10.920 so she absolutely deserved it, and so flew back home 0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:14.279 my parents. Both my parents were there because my dad 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:17.360 was catting for me on the Futures tour then as well, 0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:19.279 they decided to drive. We were in a like a 0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:23.200 nineteen ninety five Dodge van that like a what are 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:25.279 those things called a conversion van, So it's had like 0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:29.000 wood paneling, TV like in the thing. We had like 0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:31.719 some of the seats taken down, and like I was 0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:34.000 napping in the back whenever we'd be driving and all 0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:36.920 that stuff. I had gotten my license at seventeen, so 0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.280 I was still very new to driving. So the idea 0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:41.840 of being in this like big ass white van driving 0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:44.759 was an absolute real for me. And like we were 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:46.520 so like it was such a nice band that back 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:49.280 in the day we had like a six disc CD 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:53.080 changer attached to the sound system, including the speakers in 0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:56.480 the back. So I was like I had like Lincoln Parks, 0:51:56.560 --> 0:52:00.680 Hybrid Theory, God Smack Fungus among us, by Inky of this, 0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:04.080 those those three see those three albums are still every 0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:09.880 time I iconic, Iconic, those they always bring me back. 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:14.120 And so that that as a fall was coming in. 0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:16.240 My dad was like, hey, you know, I think, uh, 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:19.480 you know, you've played a lot of great golf. You know, 0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:21.640 it's about to get cold, you know, and by cold 0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:24.040 if like fifty degrees as a high in San Jose 0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:26.319 where I grew up, like I could play three sixty five. 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.799 And so he was like, I have an idea, and 0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:32.040 I'm like, all right, again, I'm a stupid kid, like 0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:34.040 I'm just like okay, like you know, and obviously being 0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:36.880 daddy's little girl, I was always like okay, Daddy, like basically, 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:38.719 you know, whatever you want, like even though we're going 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:41.239 to fight about it, because I'm just you know, combative 0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:42.480 like that when I was young, and I don't know 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:44.799 if those hormones or some shit. I was like, well, 0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:46.919 we'll pretty much end up doing whatever you wanted. And 0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:50.719 he was like, I think we should go and try 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:53.040 and play as many of the golf courses because remember 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:55.200 you were rookie, so you're coming into these tournaments with 0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:57.680 a lot less experience on these golf courses. And I'm 0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:01.160 like okay. So he's like, so I called up. We're 0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:03.799 going to go play over in California, like two or 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:06.920 three courses. We're going to go play in Arizona. And 0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:08.960 I'm like okay, cool, Like West Coast Wing like, that's 0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:12.080 that's cool, you know, and we at twenty one golf 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:15.520 courses we played in. It was something like in a 0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:18.120 month or in like forty days or something like that. 0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.920 It was so long ago, I honestly don't remember. And 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:23.400 so we drove and I remember I think it was 0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:26.120 November of that year, because we must have started in 0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:30.799 like September or late September or sometime in October. I 0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:34.080 was playing at Waikogyo Country Club in Westchester, New York. 0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:37.120 I was the only person on the golf course because 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:39.240 there was like an inch and a half of snow 0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:41.680 on the ground, and they let me play for some 0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:45.640 ungodly reason. And I was just like, They're like, do 0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:47.160 you want to use a yellow golf ball suit? You 0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:48.719 can see it. I'm like, no, it's fine, I'll just 0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:50.120 keep it in the fairway. And then I'd be like, 0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:52.680 so let me know where is the fairway so I 0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:56.560 can keep it within it. But yeah, I played, like 0:53:56.640 --> 0:54:00.399 went to Ohio, played at Tartan Field over in Land. 0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:02.400 Like just like I just you. 0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:05.400 You were on a mission. You guys were just going. 0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:08.080 Was there any stops? Did you do have any any 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:10.920 cool like did you sight see at all on the 0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:13.120 on this on this drive around the country. 0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:15.520 What the hell was there the fight? See, like I 0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:17.759 saw like the Hoover Dam when we drove by it, 0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:20.080 like I did for like and and again. Like back 0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:22.000 in the day, I mean, growing up in California, You've 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:25.799 got you know, the the beautiful beaches of California. You've 0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:28.719 got those you know, wonderful like cliffs and amazing you know, 0:54:29.040 --> 0:54:30.080 rugged terrain and. 0:54:30.040 --> 0:54:30.560 Things like that. 0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:34.040 In the seaside, you've got Yosemite National Park, You've got 0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.759 Death Valley. Like for me, I'm just like it's I'm 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:38.759 like I want and again, I mean, I was just like, 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:40.800 I won't play golf like I. 0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:44.920 You were stop you are stopping to see Abraham Lincoln's 0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:45.920 house in Strainfield. 0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:50.040 No we did not. Actually, I'm not gonna lie. I 0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:52.560 did not think. I didn't think about that like I 0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:54.399 you know, back in those days, just like in many 0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:56.080 ways I am today. I was so golf up, sess. 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:57.400 I was just like, oh, we get to pulling more 0:54:57.440 --> 0:54:58.600 golf and I'm like, ooh, I get to see a 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.640 new golf course. My Dad's like, well, you're technically providing 0:55:01.680 --> 0:55:03.840 yourself with an opportunity to get a practice round in 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:06.520 and I'm like, there's eighteen ten back seven eighteen green, 0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:10.560 Like I was just like, you know, I just probably 0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:12.360 one reason why I still play twenty seven holds a 0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:12.920 day out here. 0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:18.000 Yeah, it's it's good. So, I you you were obviously 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:22.480 very you were like a phena when you're coming out 0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:25.320 and you had a ton of success. How hard was 0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:28.120 it dealing with like, you know, you became like a 0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:33.120 celebrity when you're essentially like twenty eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:37.520 one years old? Was that hard? Like I can imagine 0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:41.080 my twenty one year your old self dealing with something 0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:41.520 like that. 0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:45.960 I think again, because I was again so so stupid. 0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:47.960 I was so I was so I was so young 0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:50.640 and so naive like and at the same time when 0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:53.640 you're in like like I'll say, like you know, if 0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:56.080 I if I like taking an example, if you're ten 0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:58.280 years old, one day in a ten year old's life 0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:01.359 is such a greater percent of your entire life than 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:04.600 a day in the life of someone that's eighty years old, 0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:08.959 you know. So for me knowing you know, what took 0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:10.920 place in the past, Like I sit there and I'm 0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:12.839 just like, yeah, I can sit here and say, yeah, 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:14.840 I was stupid, Like, you know, I'm still stupid, but 0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:17.080 it's I am aware that I'm stupid now. I was 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:20.680 just oblivious back then. But I think that a lot 0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:26.120 of you know, it was. It's hard to compare yourself 0:56:26.120 --> 0:56:28.200 to anything other than what you are because it's all 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:31.200 you know. And so at the time, I didn't see 0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:33.760 myself as like a celebrity. I still think it's weird 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.799 that people would consider me one at all. At any 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:39.000 point in my life, I'm like, dude, I'm just some dude. 0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:40.880 Like just give me a golf club and let me 0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:43.279 just go swing and like make putts and like have 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:45.839 fun and things like that, you know, like I never 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:49.360 really thought, you know. And again, to an extent, it's 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:51.440 the very nature of being a golfer. You have to 0:56:51.440 --> 0:56:55.440 be able to be selfish when you need to. Like 0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:58.880 I I'm very compassionate, I'm very empathetic. I care a 0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:02.120 lot about people, care about you know, the few friends 0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:05.200 I have, they are like my bloodline, and I would, 0:57:05.640 --> 0:57:09.440 you know, die for them pretty much anybody that I know. 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:11.000 If they called me and said, dude, I've been like 0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:12.959 hauled into jail, can you come in and bail me out, 0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:16.160 you know, depending on what the charges are, Like absolutely doesn't, 0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:19.680 you know. But you know, at at then I was 0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:26.960 able to be selfish enough to not think about what 0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:29.680 other people were doing because everyone's like, you're so different, 0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:32.040 and I'm like, I'm just some dude, Like I don't 0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:33.960 understand what you mean. Like, you know, whenever, if I 0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:35.800 were to come into a room and have everybody laughing, 0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:37.880 I'm like, everybody's laughing, So why are you making it 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.000 seem like I'm any different from anyone else. We're all 0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:42.520 just having a good time. So that's where I think 0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:45.160 some of the oblivion is. But I don't know. I'm again, 0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:46.640 to this day, I'm just some dudes. 0:57:46.800 --> 0:57:53.360 Like it's refreshing, you know. That's you have. You have 0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:57.560 throughout your career, always been very you know yourself and 0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.000 you do things your way do You've had your own stuff, 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:04.400 And I think that's that's something that's admirable because in 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:09.000 our society, and especially I feel like in professional sports, 0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:14.080 there's there's almost a pressure to conform because people this 0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:16.040 is the way it is, and this is the way 0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:21.960 people act, and people that do things differently sometimes have 0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:25.800 to face pressure to do to conform to what the 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:28.360 way it's always been, especially in a sport like golf. 0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:33.240 Well, I mean I've been given a couple of requests 0:58:33.240 --> 0:58:37.240 to conform at certain times in my life. Like I remember, 0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:41.240 I think it was maybe two thousand and four, so 0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:44.000 it was my second year on tour. Because growing up, 0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:46.440 I mean, I colored my hair by myself, on my 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:49.120 own all the time. Like I've had my hair every 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:52.280 length I've had. You know, I had like super short 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:54.600 hair that I would spike up and you know, dye 0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:56.320 every color of the rainbow. I have like a cheet 0:58:56.360 --> 0:58:58.360 of print going on when I was thirteen or something 0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:01.400 that you know, it wasn't I wouldn't say it was 0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:04.200 a mistake, but it was a look. And you know 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:06.479 I remember I was like, no, I'm done my hair. 0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:10.320 We were in Phoenix and I went dyed my hair 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:11.720 and I was like, all right, like this is like 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:15.360 a vibrant red, like dude, let's go after I after 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:19.720 I washed it out, I was like, huh, do you 0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:23.000 remember the Britney Spears music video for the song Toxic. 0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:27.320 I I doubt my wife would definitely remember it. I 0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:30.640 you know, my wife's a huge Britney spears fand but 0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:33.760 I have to say that I didn't see the toxic 0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:34.800 music video. 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:39.600 Okay, then it was stop light red at not at 0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:45.120 at two o'clock in the morning, it was it was 0:59:45.480 --> 0:59:46.960 neon red, like it was. 0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:49.640 It wasn't neon, but it was the most vibrant red 0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:52.640 I've ever seen. And my dad lost his damn mind. 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:56.520 And I'm not gonna lie, like completely completely justified because 0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:58.480 I was like, yeah, this is a little bit. I 0:59:58.520 --> 1:00:01.240 was expecting a slightly deeper when I put this on, 1:00:01.360 --> 1:00:03.560 so yeah, and he was like, you have to change 1:00:03.560 --> 1:00:06.720 your hair right now, and I was like, yeah, I'm 1:00:06.720 --> 1:00:08.560 not gonna lie. This is maybe a little too bright 1:00:08.600 --> 1:00:11.560 even for me. But like growing up, like you know, 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:15.680 the the Korean media, they you know, some of them 1:00:15.680 --> 1:00:19.480 found me very very very polarizing, and they had such 1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:23.840 a head start on the whole not reporting the news 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:26.000 when you're supposed to be reporting the news thing. It 1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:28.720 was very very much like, hey, you know, we're gonna like, 1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:31.040 instead of taking in facts, We're just going to do 1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:35.320 an entire newspaper based on op eds because people apparently 1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:38.520 think that my opinion matters and that I'm going to 1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:41.720 educate you based off of what my opinion is, whereas 1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:44.480 I'm sitting here and like where's like I need tom brocall, 1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:46.040 like just tell me what's going on so I can 1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:50.040 come to my own conclusion and not be hold what 1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:52.760 I'm supposed to think. Allow me to make my own decision. 1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:55.960 And so there were, you know, there were a couple 1:00:56.000 --> 1:00:58.920 of opportunities where I was told, if you're willing to, 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:02.720 you know, chill the hell out a little bit, like 1:01:02.800 --> 1:01:05.040 you know, we can talk about sponsorships or if you 1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:08.720 wanted to, you know, grow your Korean fan base, then 1:01:08.880 --> 1:01:11.120 you know you're gonna have to, you know, like and 1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:12.600 this was like you know, maybe during a skinny year, 1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:15.040 they'd be like maybe you know, like put on some 1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:18.960 more clues or you know, do whatever. And I'm just like, Okay, 1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:22.040 well I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to be friends with 1:01:22.120 --> 1:01:25.520 someone that I later found out wasn't being themselves. So 1:01:25.880 --> 1:01:29.200 why would I want someone to be my friend based 1:01:29.240 --> 1:01:34.919 off me not being myself? That's that's bullshit. Like oh 1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:38.360 so I was like okay, bye. So I mean, I 1:01:38.360 --> 1:01:40.720 guess I've been presented with a couple of opportunities, but 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:43.760 I don't think there's we only get this one life 1:01:44.320 --> 1:01:46.560 in which none of us actually asked for. We just 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:49.400 kind of happened, you know, as a result of you know, 1:01:49.520 --> 1:01:53.919 certain actions that were taken prior to us coming to earth. 1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:57.760 But you know, we're only given this one life as 1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:00.560 far as we're aware, So why wouldn't to want to 1:02:00.560 --> 1:02:03.840 live it to the fullest. And by the fullest, I 1:02:03.880 --> 1:02:07.840 mean live your own truth, like let be you. Yeah, 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:10.800 And and there's there are plenty of people who their 1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:17.440 authentic self is being more you know, conservative or more 1:02:17.600 --> 1:02:19.880 toned down or whatever that is. And as long as 1:02:19.880 --> 1:02:22.000 they're living their truth, I'm like, dude, more power to you. 1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:24.920 Like that is so strong, Like I think that's beautiful. 1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:26.840 Like I love the fact that you're living you. And 1:02:27.200 --> 1:02:28.760 if someone were saying, you know, I don't want to 1:02:28.760 --> 1:02:31.680 be who I am anymore because I you know, I've 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:34.000 lived my whole life being like this and now I 1:02:34.000 --> 1:02:35.840 want to be like who I really am that I 1:02:35.880 --> 1:02:37.680 sit there and I'm like, you know, like a friend 1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:41.200 came out to me a little over a year ago, 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:43.400 and I mean I cried when he when he told me, 1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:45.560 because I was like, you were the bravest human being 1:02:45.560 --> 1:02:48.520 because I would not be strong enough to be anything 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:51.760 other than who I am and to be here to 1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:55.760 this day and you've lived almost thirty years not being 1:02:55.880 --> 1:02:59.000 who you wanted to be, Like you are the strongest 1:02:59.440 --> 1:03:02.720 person that I've ever met. Like this is just incredible. 1:03:02.760 --> 1:03:04.880 And so it was like, you know, obviously a huge 1:03:04.920 --> 1:03:07.560 celebration because it was like you're living your truth, Like 1:03:07.640 --> 1:03:10.840 that is that is you know when for me, I 1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:13.160 think because all I've ever known is just being who 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:16.680 I am. But when you go from being able to 1:03:16.760 --> 1:03:19.000 finally live who you are, I think that is just 1:03:19.280 --> 1:03:22.680 that is so remarkable because it's different from what I've done, 1:03:23.120 --> 1:03:25.080 and it shows how strong you are to be able 1:03:25.120 --> 1:03:30.760 to make it this far and contain yourself. That shows 1:03:30.800 --> 1:03:32.560 incredible strength, I think in many ways. 1:03:33.040 --> 1:03:37.200 Yeah, I mean it's there's like kind of it's it's 1:03:37.280 --> 1:03:41.600 kind of on both sides. Like being very very much 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:45.720 yourself all the time is one aspect of strength, and 1:03:45.760 --> 1:03:49.360 then somebody that has to for a lot, for fear 1:03:49.440 --> 1:03:54.000 of many different reasons, having to be somebody else that 1:03:54.040 --> 1:03:57.320 they aren't. They're they're different, but they're a lot similar 1:03:57.360 --> 1:03:59.840 in the same in the sense of like you have 1:03:59.880 --> 1:04:03.120 to be very strong. It's I think being yourself is 1:04:03.160 --> 1:04:05.840 like probably one of the best pieces of simple piece 1:04:05.880 --> 1:04:08.480 of advice. If you're just yourself all the time, you're 1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:11.840 probably very rarely going to get yourself in trouble, you. 1:04:11.880 --> 1:04:17.360 Know that being said, I think that I I consider 1:04:17.440 --> 1:04:19.880 me only knowing who I am and being myself is 1:04:20.040 --> 1:04:23.600 very I was just me being lazy. I don't know. 1:04:24.480 --> 1:04:27.280 I don't know. I think sometimes being yourself is harder 1:04:27.320 --> 1:04:29.720 than me into conforming is the easy So it's the 1:04:29.760 --> 1:04:32.520 easy way out. You know, if if you look at oh, 1:04:32.560 --> 1:04:34.000 well they did it this way, I'm going to do 1:04:34.040 --> 1:04:36.040 it that way. It's sometimes it can be the easy 1:04:36.080 --> 1:04:40.720 way out. Talk. You were a rookie with loreno Show, 1:04:41.160 --> 1:04:46.160 and I feel like because loreno o'showa came before like 1:04:46.200 --> 1:04:51.200 the era of social media. And you know, if she 1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:53.880 had come ten years later, it would be like people 1:04:54.240 --> 1:04:58.880 just be crazy about how good was Loreino Show. Like 1:04:58.960 --> 1:05:01.760 put it in perspective somebody that competed against her for 1:05:02.120 --> 1:05:04.120 you know a number of years. 1:05:04.320 --> 1:05:09.720 I would say, in god like Lorena would be like 1:05:09.760 --> 1:05:18.480 the lady version of Sevy Jack and Tiger. In my opinion, 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:25.480 she had the most unbelievable hands. She could hit the 1:05:25.480 --> 1:05:29.720 ball in absolute mile and toss Arnie in there too, 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.080 because she was just she was the most gracious human 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:36.160 being I've ever met. She And I mean I've been 1:05:36.160 --> 1:05:39.120 saying this for almost twenty years, like she should be canonized, 1:05:39.240 --> 1:05:41.200 like one hundred and fifty years from now, there will 1:05:41.240 --> 1:05:45.800 be like a Frank Lorena. And she just had this 1:05:45.960 --> 1:05:54.960 unbelievable imagination, this incredible strength, a fearlessness, determination, fire, compassion. 1:05:55.240 --> 1:05:57.560 I mean, it was just some of the shots she 1:05:57.640 --> 1:06:00.439 hit were just unbelievable and then at the feat time 1:06:00.680 --> 1:06:05.920 so profoundly human. Because when Birdie Kim won the US 1:06:05.960 --> 1:06:09.280 Women's Open when we were at was at Cherry Hills, 1:06:09.280 --> 1:06:12.520 if I'm not mistaken, so that must have been oh 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:17.240 five or oh six, oh five, oh five, Yes, I'm 1:06:17.400 --> 1:06:20.920 pretty sure Lorena hit two or three balls into the 1:06:20.920 --> 1:06:22.920 water on the seventy second hole, and it was like, 1:06:23.600 --> 1:06:26.160 but don't dun't drop kick, but don't dunk drop kick, 1:06:26.200 --> 1:06:30.840 but don dunk drop kick, And she wanted that her 1:06:30.840 --> 1:06:35.400 first major so so badly, and it in so many ways. 1:06:35.440 --> 1:06:37.120 You could see something like that and think that it 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:40.120 would completely it has. It definitely has the ability if 1:06:40.160 --> 1:06:42.680 you allow it to completely destroy you as a golfer 1:06:43.200 --> 1:06:45.280 and the fact that she was able to rise above 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:47.920 that become number one in the world, and you know, 1:06:47.960 --> 1:06:53.000 she was the fastest to get, in essence, qualified for 1:06:53.040 --> 1:06:55.840 the LPGA Hall of Fame. The only reason why she's 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:58.680 not on the LPGA Hall of Fame is because she 1:06:58.840 --> 1:07:03.320 did not finish one requirement, which was stay on tour 1:07:03.400 --> 1:07:08.520 for ten consecutive years. She didn't need to, yeah, but 1:07:08.760 --> 1:07:11.320 that was the one stipulation she needed in order to 1:07:11.480 --> 1:07:14.280 qualify for the LPGA Golf Hall of Fame. 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:18.680 Ten consecutive years, ten consecutive years. 1:07:18.720 --> 1:07:20.960 She last she played eight and she was like, Boom, 1:07:20.960 --> 1:07:22.920 I'm in love, Boom, I want to get married, Boom, 1:07:22.920 --> 1:07:24.960 I want to make babies. And she's got I think 1:07:24.960 --> 1:07:27.640 it's I think she's got three of the most gorgeous 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:30.680 children that I've ever seen. But like, one thing that 1:07:30.720 --> 1:07:32.120 a lot of people don't know about her is she 1:07:32.200 --> 1:07:34.920 would you know, because she hails from Mexico, born and 1:07:34.960 --> 1:07:38.160 raised in Guadalajara, and almost every week she would go 1:07:38.760 --> 1:07:42.160 visit with the superintendents, the greens keepers, the grounds crew, 1:07:42.240 --> 1:07:44.200 and she would talk to them, you know, because a 1:07:44.200 --> 1:07:46.800 lot of them, you know, especially here in America were 1:07:46.960 --> 1:07:52.160 are you know, Mexican and descent, and she wanted to 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:54.680 go in and connect with them, and she had this 1:07:55.840 --> 1:08:00.720 it was like when you go to Mexico and play 1:08:01.400 --> 1:08:03.720 in a tournament with Lorena and I've been fortunate enough 1:08:03.720 --> 1:08:07.440 to be paired with Lorena, it's it's it's not comical 1:08:07.480 --> 1:08:13.560 because it is completely they're they're completely founded in the 1:08:13.720 --> 1:08:18.080 reasoning of like you're there, it's like twenty deep on 1:08:18.200 --> 1:08:20.720 every single hole, and the crowd just get bigger and 1:08:20.760 --> 1:08:23.599 bigger and bigger. You've got mothers hanging at the ropes 1:08:23.680 --> 1:08:26.280 holding their children up in the hopes that Lorena would 1:08:26.280 --> 1:08:30.600 touch the babies. You have people of all ages. She 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:35.360 she transcended golf and she she's I mean, I get 1:08:35.439 --> 1:08:37.759 chills just talking about her, Like she is the most 1:08:38.200 --> 1:08:42.559 the most remarkable person on the planet and so funny, 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:46.680 so quick witted, like just everything about her is just remarkable. 1:08:46.680 --> 1:08:50.599 And it was, it was, it was It showed how 1:08:50.680 --> 1:08:55.160 strong she was that she allowed her desire to want 1:08:55.240 --> 1:08:58.840 to get married and start a family and not have 1:08:58.920 --> 1:09:01.240 her family have to travel on the road with her, 1:09:01.439 --> 1:09:06.240 that she was willing to give up and sacrifice potentially 1:09:06.240 --> 1:09:09.000 one of the greatest careers that we will ever have 1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:10.479 seen in the history of golf. 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:16.519 Twenty twenty seven wins in seven seasons. I mean she 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:20.720 made four point four million dollars in a year of 1:09:20.720 --> 1:09:21.760 the LPGA. 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:25.519 In a year back in the early twenty twenty and 1:09:25.560 --> 1:09:30.400 twenty tens. It's a million. And another thing about that 1:09:30.520 --> 1:09:33.240 is every cent that she made on the golf course 1:09:33.240 --> 1:09:36.200 she donated to her charity or to her foundation. Really 1:09:36.240 --> 1:09:38.679 every CeNSE she made on the golf course went directly 1:09:38.680 --> 1:09:43.599 to her foundation. Like there's no one, in my opinion, 1:09:43.640 --> 1:09:47.320 would ever compete male or female for the entire completely, 1:09:47.840 --> 1:09:54.599 whole rounded goodness that Lorena embodies, not a single human 1:09:54.880 --> 1:09:55.679 on this planet. 1:09:56.600 --> 1:10:01.000 How is her game compared to Anika? 1:10:02.000 --> 1:10:05.679 So Lorena that she she has the she has that flare, 1:10:05.840 --> 1:10:12.040 she has that that that that that that fieriness, she 1:10:12.200 --> 1:10:14.720 has the you know la pasione if you will. That's 1:10:14.760 --> 1:10:16.200 why I say there's a lot of stevy in her. 1:10:16.200 --> 1:10:22.680 She's not remarkable imagination and she has just you know, 1:10:22.800 --> 1:10:25.000 like she goes for broke as well a lot of 1:10:25.040 --> 1:10:27.280 the time, Like she will hit those shots where you're. 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:29.639 Like she's going. 1:10:32.240 --> 1:10:34.760 Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. But that's not that's the right 1:10:34.760 --> 1:10:36.720 thing to do. That's not that's not that I did 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:38.880 that every single day. That's not the right thing to do. 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:41.600 It's the only thing you should be doing. But no, 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:44.600 she'll she'll sit there and she will go after a 1:10:44.640 --> 1:10:47.120 pin and then will let's say, if she gets the 1:10:47.120 --> 1:10:49.719 bad balance or something happens, or she you know, overhits 1:10:49.760 --> 1:10:51.840 it a little bit, she will short fight herself and 1:10:51.880 --> 1:10:56.200 have seven feet from the fringe to the flag nine 1:10:56.360 --> 1:10:59.639 ten feet above her head and have a nineteen yard 1:11:00.240 --> 1:11:03.400 uh pitched because it'll run down the hill. And she's like, 1:11:04.240 --> 1:11:05.680 instead of just being like, Okay, you know what, I 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:07.400 messed up this shot, I'm just gonna, you know, make 1:11:07.439 --> 1:11:09.720 sure that I hit it out there and try and 1:11:09.720 --> 1:11:11.559 see if I can make a twenty footer, She's like, nah, 1:11:11.600 --> 1:11:13.400 there's seven feet from the fringe to the flag of 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:15.880 plenty of room. I'm going to do this and she 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:18.880 and she would do it the vast majority of the time. 1:11:19.320 --> 1:11:25.560 Whereas onica as I've gotten older, I started to realize 1:11:25.600 --> 1:11:31.760 just how important boring ass golf could be. And I 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:35.640 say that as a person that for the majority of 1:11:35.680 --> 1:11:40.559 my career could not do boring. I was paired with 1:11:40.640 --> 1:11:45.280 Onnica in her final victory in Kingsmill, Virginia. I forget 1:11:45.280 --> 1:11:48.479 what year it was. Maybe it was twenty ten, eleven 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:51.759 or twelve. I don't remember what year it was, maybe thirteen. 1:11:53.160 --> 1:11:55.439 And I mean I was, you know, doing my thing, 1:11:55.479 --> 1:11:57.280 because you know, the best thing to do when you're 1:11:57.320 --> 1:12:00.879 playing golf is let alone. Life is just be yourself. 1:12:00.960 --> 1:12:04.439 If you're chatty, go ahead and talk. Just don't do 1:12:04.479 --> 1:12:06.120 it when other people are hitting, you know, just be 1:12:06.240 --> 1:12:09.479 be conscientious and be aware and be respectful of other people, 1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:12.639 you know, or you know, if you have to do something, 1:12:12.720 --> 1:12:15.600 keep yourself occupied anyway, do that, you know. And so 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:17.280 I was just doing the thing, and I was chatting 1:12:17.280 --> 1:12:20.040 with my caddie, you know, having a really good day. 1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:22.000 I started the day a few strokes back of her, 1:12:22.560 --> 1:12:26.280 and we're on the fifteenth hole at the river course 1:12:26.360 --> 1:12:30.080 in uh sixteen, excuse me, sixteen at kings at the 1:12:30.120 --> 1:12:33.120 kings Mill Resort. I look at the leaderboard. Then's something 1:12:33.120 --> 1:12:35.759 albsurd like. I don't remember if it was like twenty 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:38.520 one sixteen, or it might have been twenty four seventeen 1:12:38.720 --> 1:12:42.080 or something like that, and I'm like, I'm playing some 1:12:42.120 --> 1:12:43.840 really good golf. And so I look at Anaka and 1:12:43.880 --> 1:12:45.800 I'm like, we're waiting on the green. I yell at her. 1:12:45.800 --> 1:12:48.680 I'm like hey, Anka, She's like, yeah, what's going on. 1:12:48.760 --> 1:12:52.439 I'm like, you only have a few strokes ahead of 1:12:52.479 --> 1:12:54.200 me at the beginning of the round, right, She's like yeah. 1:12:54.439 --> 1:12:57.680 I'm like, I'm playing really well today. I thought. She's like, no, 1:12:57.720 --> 1:12:59.200 you're playing great year as you. And I'm like five 1:12:59.280 --> 1:13:04.240 under on the day and I'm like, are you seven under? 1:13:05.000 --> 1:13:09.000 And she's like yeah. I'm like I'm so sorry, but 1:13:09.280 --> 1:13:11.960 how And she's like, well, I mean, just you hit 1:13:11.960 --> 1:13:14.080 every faraway, you hit every green, you hit every put 1:13:14.080 --> 1:13:15.840 that in theory you should make. You know, it's like 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:18.639 fifteen twenty feet and inside then you know you're seven under. 1:13:18.680 --> 1:13:22.280 And I'm like, it's just like who under the radar? 1:13:22.479 --> 1:13:25.639 Like it was not and it's not to be said 1:13:25.760 --> 1:13:30.080 in any way disparaging or a criticism whatsoever, but it 1:13:30.120 --> 1:13:33.040 was just her golf was so simple. 1:13:33.760 --> 1:13:36.400 That might be like the best compliment though for a 1:13:36.439 --> 1:13:39.479 golfer is to say you make it look just so easy. 1:13:39.760 --> 1:13:41.760 You know, yeah, but you don't. 1:13:41.800 --> 1:13:43.519 But it's like it's not even that it's easy. You're 1:13:43.600 --> 1:13:45.960 just looking You're just like, I don't even like I 1:13:46.360 --> 1:13:49.160 thought you were even on the day. Yeah, I don't 1:13:49.240 --> 1:13:51.240 understand this, like and you know, she just kind of 1:13:51.240 --> 1:13:53.559 smirked and was like, yeah, yeah that's right. I'm like 1:13:53.640 --> 1:13:56.760 five or seven shots ahead of you, and I'm like, po, 1:13:56.840 --> 1:14:00.320 story bro, Like that's really cool. And then that I 1:14:00.360 --> 1:14:03.519 was able to be there and walk up the seventy 1:14:03.560 --> 1:14:05.559 second hole with her for her final victory is it's 1:14:05.600 --> 1:14:08.200 something that I am. I do cherish because it was 1:14:08.240 --> 1:14:12.639 a very very very cool thing. But yeah, it's there that, 1:14:12.680 --> 1:14:14.720 in a nutshell, would be the difference between the two, 1:14:15.160 --> 1:14:16.479 the big nutshell obviously. 1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:21.519 So so this year, you you started off hot, you're 1:14:21.640 --> 1:14:24.880 playing great, and then we just have this layout. Are 1:14:24.920 --> 1:14:28.840 you what what changed? What did you change something going 1:14:28.880 --> 1:14:29.559 into this year? 1:14:32.200 --> 1:14:35.559 A lot of it is perspective. Been working on my 1:14:35.600 --> 1:14:40.439 game really hard, you know, sending videos, working on you know, 1:14:40.600 --> 1:14:45.519 just working on different angles, like realizing that, hey, you know, 1:14:45.600 --> 1:14:47.800 do you checking winging it in your back swing? It's 1:14:47.920 --> 1:14:51.080 kind of hard to you know, come in with you know, 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:54.519 without a shut face at impact and things like that, 1:14:55.000 --> 1:14:59.200 you know, just really just sort of narrowing my focus 1:14:59.240 --> 1:15:03.120 a little bit more and coming to the realization that 1:15:03.200 --> 1:15:04.920 like I'm you know, it's not I don't work with 1:15:04.960 --> 1:15:06.760 any of the guys out here like you know, but 1:15:06.920 --> 1:15:08.400 I've got a bunch of friends that I play with 1:15:08.439 --> 1:15:11.280 that they're just like, I'm doing this, and I'm just like, Okay, well, 1:15:11.280 --> 1:15:13.680 if you're doing this, have you ever thought that it 1:15:13.680 --> 1:15:18.559 could be a result of you doing this? And so 1:15:18.720 --> 1:15:21.559 it's like sometimes just finding out where the cause of 1:15:21.760 --> 1:15:25.439 a problem really stems from. And you know, it's just 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:28.320 been working on my game really hard, and you know, obviously, 1:15:28.320 --> 1:15:31.280 I mean it's I don't see it, but there's clearly 1:15:31.280 --> 1:15:32.960 an elephant in the room. And I've like I've dropped 1:15:32.960 --> 1:15:36.439 like a little over fifty pounds at this point. You know, 1:15:36.520 --> 1:15:40.719 I wasn't on this like quest to lose weight and 1:15:41.280 --> 1:15:45.720 be sexy or prettier any of that shit. Like I 1:15:45.840 --> 1:15:49.840 just wanted to stop consuming as much sugar and as 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:54.760 many carbs as I have been and started living the 1:15:54.840 --> 1:15:58.160 keto lifestyle because I hate the word diet like. 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:02.280 It keto is it no sugar, no carbs. 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:06.040 So it's it's so as a human being, generally, you 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:08.240 consume carbohydrates. This is how you know, for the most part, 1:16:08.479 --> 1:16:11.200 is how we're designed to consume carbohydrates in whatever form, 1:16:11.240 --> 1:16:15.720 whether it's through foods, fruits, vegetables, you know, if you 1:16:15.760 --> 1:16:19.320 want you breads, rice, things like that, and then your 1:16:19.439 --> 1:16:24.759 body will consume them and then all that magical chemistry 1:16:24.760 --> 1:16:26.639 that we have going on in ways that we can't 1:16:26.680 --> 1:16:30.479 even see, your carbohydrates get converted into energy, and then 1:16:30.479 --> 1:16:33.759 that energy is what sustains you and keeps you alive, 1:16:33.880 --> 1:16:40.200 keeps you moving. And so the keto lifestyle, the ketogenic diet, 1:16:40.280 --> 1:16:41.880 which was I think it was founded in like the 1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:47.880 twenties or the forties to actually help combat seizures and 1:16:47.920 --> 1:16:50.640 epilepsy in a lot of children and adults. It was 1:16:50.640 --> 1:16:51.920 one of those like, you know, you just kind of 1:16:52.280 --> 1:16:55.200 just throw this in the tank, see what happens kind 1:16:55.200 --> 1:16:58.280 of thing, and they came to find out that, you know, 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:01.400 there were several cases of children with really severe epilepsy 1:17:01.439 --> 1:17:05.360 where the epilepsy had greatly been reduced. And this version 1:17:05.560 --> 1:17:09.320 is so you basically remove a vast majority of the 1:17:09.360 --> 1:17:14.960 carbohydrates that your body is processing, and you instead replenish 1:17:15.320 --> 1:17:19.679 the the source that you need to convert into energy 1:17:19.960 --> 1:17:22.519 from carbohydrates into fat and what I mean fats, I 1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:29.960 mean like like avocados, olive oils, olives, nuts, like this 1:17:30.000 --> 1:17:31.760 is a This was a kicker for me because I 1:17:31.840 --> 1:17:36.040 love a good RIBI so like, you know, good fatty 1:17:36.040 --> 1:17:37.760 cuts of meat. You don't have to sit there and 1:17:37.760 --> 1:17:40.280 be like, I'll have filet mignon like once every month 1:17:40.360 --> 1:17:44.680 or something like that, like salmon, mackerel, things like that. 1:17:44.920 --> 1:17:48.799 Eggs are great for it. And so for me, it's 1:17:48.880 --> 1:17:51.200 I and I'm not obsessive about it. I don't do 1:17:51.280 --> 1:17:54.040 the actual numbers, but I am. I've gotten to a 1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:56.200 point where I, for the most part, know which foods 1:17:56.200 --> 1:17:58.519 I like which foods I don't. So you know, I 1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:02.360 try and keep my car count under thirty gram's net, 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:05.960 which for me is really hard to reach because that's 1:18:06.000 --> 1:18:08.120 a lot. That's a lot of car excuse me, a 1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:08.639 lot of carbs. 1:18:08.640 --> 1:18:08.840 To me. 1:18:09.040 --> 1:18:10.920 You could come hang out, Come hang out with me, 1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:13.960 and you'll see how you can get the thirty carbs. 1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:15.840 Oh go, I'm sure there was a time when I 1:18:15.840 --> 1:18:19.040 would eat three hundred grams. Like it's just my taste 1:18:19.040 --> 1:18:21.519 buzzs have changed. That's that's the big thing. Like I 1:18:21.680 --> 1:18:23.839 because I used to be a sugar monster. I would, 1:18:24.040 --> 1:18:25.920 you know, every time I go to the grocery store, 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:29.200 like I'd be like, yeah, I might have a Snickers today, 1:18:29.800 --> 1:18:31.680 or you know, I'd be like, ah, you know what, 1:18:31.760 --> 1:18:33.960 maybe I'll have a sun kissed or something like that, 1:18:34.040 --> 1:18:37.680 you know, non spawn obviously, and like nowadays, like I 1:18:37.720 --> 1:18:40.440 sit there and I'm just like, if I have strawberries 1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:42.200 that are like not fully ripe, there's still just a 1:18:42.200 --> 1:18:44.120 bit of green or white at the top of the strawberry, 1:18:44.120 --> 1:18:48.439 I'm like, that's so sweet. Like I don't, I can't. 1:18:49.080 --> 1:18:52.880 I can't do it now, Like I crave fat, like 1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:59.200 I love avocado, I love like good cheeses, meats, things 1:18:59.240 --> 1:19:01.000 like that. So for me, it's about seventy percent of 1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:05.160 my daily consumption. I try and keep in in terms 1:19:05.160 --> 1:19:08.280 of fats of some sort, and then about twenty percent 1:19:08.520 --> 1:19:13.360 I do protein now, whether that's you know, like mackerel, salmon, beef, 1:19:15.479 --> 1:19:19.479 dark meat, chicken, things like that. And then the remaining 1:19:19.479 --> 1:19:22.200 ten percent I do with carbs, whether that's you know, 1:19:22.280 --> 1:19:25.760 like cauliflower, Spinach is like my jam, So I'll have 1:19:25.800 --> 1:19:33.719 spinach all the time, cauliflower, like I said, broccoli, green beans. 1:19:34.280 --> 1:19:39.200 I also really started getting into dehydrating food because of 1:19:39.240 --> 1:19:42.120 this current situation in which we are living. I was 1:19:42.479 --> 1:19:46.000 a lot of people were terrified of toilet paper. I 1:19:46.040 --> 1:19:48.040 was terrified at the prospect of not being able to 1:19:48.080 --> 1:19:52.760 get like nutritious food. So I've been like taking zucchinis 1:19:52.760 --> 1:19:55.960 and like dice, slicing them in a mandolin, sprinkling them 1:19:56.000 --> 1:20:02.519 with like tomato powder, bas regano, salt, pepper, some sprinkle, 1:20:02.600 --> 1:20:05.559 some truffle on a little bit of olive oil, parmesan cheese, 1:20:05.560 --> 1:20:08.800 and I've got these like pizza flavored zucchini chips, so 1:20:09.160 --> 1:20:12.160 like I been doing that. Just did some radish chip. 1:20:12.080 --> 1:20:16.360 The other day because too, oh yeah, I have. 1:20:16.360 --> 1:20:18.920 And that's like obviously right now, since I'm not on 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:20.439 tour and I've got my own golf cart, i have 1:20:20.680 --> 1:20:24.920 like a massive, like legit, massive Trader Joe sized bag 1:20:25.320 --> 1:20:29.639 with like I've got like mushroom chips, I've got macadamia nuts, 1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:33.799 I've got these Marcona almonds in there. I've got jerky 1:20:33.880 --> 1:20:38.160 up the wazoo. Trying to think I've got so much 1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:42.800 crap in on me at all times, it's you know, 1:20:42.840 --> 1:20:45.639 it's it's it's comical. But I mean, I I freaking 1:20:45.720 --> 1:20:47.840 love eating dude like that. That's one thing that I've 1:20:47.840 --> 1:20:50.080 been really happy about all of this is even though 1:20:50.120 --> 1:20:51.640 you know, I've been able to lose some weight, like 1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:54.960 I don't feel I never feel like hungry. I always 1:20:54.960 --> 1:20:58.040 feel satisfied, like I'm always I'm always if I need 1:20:58.040 --> 1:21:00.559 to nibble on something, I nibble on something. So it's 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:03.040 been super cool and like my I feel like my 1:21:03.560 --> 1:21:05.760 mental clarity has gone up, which I think has been 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:08.080 a big part of One reason why I played well 1:21:08.120 --> 1:21:12.439 in Australia was because you know, I could think, and 1:21:12.880 --> 1:21:14.680 I don't know if old me would have just been like, oh, 1:21:14.800 --> 1:21:16.679 just hit it down the ride on seventeen. It's wider, 1:21:16.720 --> 1:21:19.360 it's lazy. I can do that, whereas like right, you know, 1:21:19.680 --> 1:21:22.800 like when I played it, I was like, there's that 1:21:22.840 --> 1:21:27.599 should all be like chest high grass. Why is there 1:21:27.640 --> 1:21:30.200 even fairway over there? I don't understand why they even 1:21:30.240 --> 1:21:32.439 bother putting a fairway over there. This is the only 1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:34.080 place you should be. This is this is the only 1:21:34.120 --> 1:21:38.760 thing that matters here, you know. And and so you know, 1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:41.400 I guess, you know, obviously I'm lighter. I guess I don't. 1:21:41.520 --> 1:21:43.439 I don't know, like I always joke that I have 1:21:44.080 --> 1:21:48.120 like shallow house syndrome, or you know I have I 1:21:48.520 --> 1:21:51.519 used to always have like body image dysmorphia. But in 1:21:51.600 --> 1:21:53.800 the opposite way where I was always i'd look in 1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:55.720 the mirror and I'd be like, you got a good 1:21:55.720 --> 1:21:58.760 heart because I look down. 1:22:01.840 --> 1:22:05.479 You know, American society is way too obsessed with, you know, 1:22:06.200 --> 1:22:09.960 exterior images versus the interior. So that's a good thing. 1:22:10.280 --> 1:22:13.080 Yeah, I know plenty of people that look like nine 1:22:13.160 --> 1:22:15.360 that I'm like, no, dude, you're if you're in a 1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:16.880 good mood, you're about a five. 1:22:17.520 --> 1:22:23.559 Because so a couple of our questions before you know, 1:22:23.640 --> 1:22:26.960 you've been uh been more than grace and we're flying 1:22:27.000 --> 1:22:32.519 through time here, what uh you've played? Lpg A and 1:22:32.680 --> 1:22:35.519 l e T, both of them, compare Compare the two. 1:22:35.560 --> 1:22:38.519 What's what's the experience? Are they Are they similar? What's 1:22:38.560 --> 1:22:41.719 the you know, the key things of each tour. 1:22:43.680 --> 1:22:47.559 I'm not gonna lie in. In many ways I think 1:22:47.720 --> 1:22:52.639 that the l e T the Ladies European Tour, there 1:22:52.880 --> 1:22:57.759 is a bit more of a sense of camaraderie and family. 1:22:58.640 --> 1:23:01.400 The LPGA fields a little bit more like a business. 1:23:01.439 --> 1:23:06.080 And neither of those things are a criticism whatsoever. I 1:23:06.120 --> 1:23:10.160 think that, you know, and and I don't know why. 1:23:10.240 --> 1:23:15.040 I mean, maybe just because at times, financially speaking, people 1:23:15.040 --> 1:23:17.519 would compare the Ladies European Tour to the Semetra Tour, 1:23:17.560 --> 1:23:21.799 which for me I was I was always just agast 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:23.960 at the concept of it because I did play on 1:23:24.000 --> 1:23:26.920 the Futures Tour obviously this was back in the Mesozoic era, 1:23:27.680 --> 1:23:29.960 and have played on the Ladies' European Tour, and there's 1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:33.760 there's so many stark differences, Like you get girls that 1:23:34.439 --> 1:23:38.760 are so passionate about golf, like Megan McLaren is. You know, 1:23:38.800 --> 1:23:40.479 she's one of my girls, and I think she is 1:23:40.600 --> 1:23:44.280 just so remarkable. She's on this not war path, but 1:23:44.400 --> 1:23:48.519 she is. She's determined for people to understand the concept of, hey, 1:23:49.000 --> 1:23:56.840 maybe women could be compensated, you know, period. And you 1:23:56.880 --> 1:23:58.880 know you've got some you know, you've got some great 1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:03.120 talents on the on the Ladies European Tour, and it's 1:24:03.240 --> 1:24:08.040 just a little bit sad. There were some things that 1:24:08.080 --> 1:24:10.720 took place within the infrastructure of the Ladies' European Tour 1:24:10.920 --> 1:24:14.680 a number of years ago that had that combined with 1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:18.920 like economic crises around Europe, and around the globe kind 1:24:18.920 --> 1:24:22.280 of stunted the growth in which they were supposed to 1:24:22.320 --> 1:24:24.880 be trajector the trajectory was supposed to be on because 1:24:25.000 --> 1:24:26.400 like when I when I was a member of the 1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:29.000 Ladies's European Tour, I would play eleven events a year 1:24:29.760 --> 1:24:33.639 and keep a full schedule on the LPGA, like again, 1:24:33.680 --> 1:24:35.519 because I'm like, I'm going back to Florida, Like at 1:24:35.600 --> 1:24:37.720 least now I have friends, so I have people that 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:39.680 I want to hang out with. But I would be like, 1:24:39.840 --> 1:24:41.479 you want me on the road forty five weeks by 1:24:41.560 --> 1:24:45.519 the year, right, let's do it. And so there are 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:47.800 a number of things that took place at that kind 1:24:47.840 --> 1:24:53.400 of negatively impacted the Ladies' European Tour. But it's fun. 1:24:53.600 --> 1:24:56.360 The girls are so they're so smart, they're so funny, 1:24:56.360 --> 1:25:01.080 they're so vibrant. I feel like some the girls on 1:25:01.160 --> 1:25:02.240 the Ladies that I feel like you. 1:25:02.240 --> 1:25:04.880 Have more bombers on the Ladies European Tour than you 1:25:04.880 --> 1:25:12.120 do on the LPGA, like consistently, consistently, and like obviously 1:25:12.120 --> 1:25:14.600 the golf is different, you know, like we on the 1:25:14.680 --> 1:25:16.960 Lazierpean Tour, You're not necessarily. 1:25:16.479 --> 1:25:20.960 Always going to play a you know, perfectly manicured, like 1:25:21.040 --> 1:25:24.599 you can see the fairway cut down as if it was, 1:25:24.680 --> 1:25:27.600 you know, sliced with a blade, this and that with 1:25:27.760 --> 1:25:31.760 our you know, greens rolling out of thirteen blah blah 1:25:31.800 --> 1:25:34.240 blah blah blah whatever. Like I sit there and I'm 1:25:34.320 --> 1:25:38.439 just like, dude, this is like you might say rustic, 1:25:38.560 --> 1:25:40.800 you might say rugged, but this is golf, Like, this 1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:43.800 is a different style of golf. Like. That's one reason 1:25:43.840 --> 1:25:45.640 why the Loop is one of my favorite courses on 1:25:45.680 --> 1:25:50.040 the planet, because it is just it's just it's natural, 1:25:50.120 --> 1:25:53.759 it's real, it's authentic, and it's i mean, it's fescue, 1:25:53.840 --> 1:25:57.200 so I'm obviously going to love it immediately, but it's 1:25:57.240 --> 1:26:02.200 there's there's something just really, I don't know, it tugs 1:26:02.240 --> 1:26:04.719 more at my heart strings on the Ladies European Tour, 1:26:05.240 --> 1:26:07.200 whereas I feel like it's a little bit more business 1:26:07.280 --> 1:26:09.840 like on the LPGA. And neither again, neither of those 1:26:09.960 --> 1:26:12.200 is better than the other. They're just completely different in 1:26:12.280 --> 1:26:13.080 terms of entities. 1:26:13.880 --> 1:26:17.200 Yeah, and I imagine some of that comes with per size, 1:26:17.320 --> 1:26:20.360 you know, when when there's more money at stake, that 1:26:20.560 --> 1:26:23.559 becomes more business like. It's it's one of the tough things. 1:26:23.680 --> 1:26:29.200 Is that like maintaining culture as a business grows. Yeah, 1:26:29.680 --> 1:26:30.679 that makes sense. 1:26:31.240 --> 1:26:36.479 America doesn't really have culture compared to places like Europe, 1:26:36.560 --> 1:26:39.880 compared to places like Asia. Like what what is American culture? 1:26:39.920 --> 1:26:43.320 It's so big, like that word can be so so 1:26:43.520 --> 1:26:48.360 vastly different in definition from one street corner to another. 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:53.439 You know it could be. Yeah, I mean you can 1:26:53.520 --> 1:26:56.120 look at all all over the country and you can 1:26:56.160 --> 1:27:01.120 see there's drastically different cultures right now, given you know circumstances, 1:27:01.240 --> 1:27:05.559 and it's a it's a fascinating aspect of it. That 1:27:05.560 --> 1:27:09.760 that makes sense. The culture is a big aspect of 1:27:10.560 --> 1:27:12.920 the Ladies European Tour probably being that way. 1:27:14.560 --> 1:27:15.040 Iy. 1:27:15.120 --> 1:27:19.759 Yeah, So we talked about how the LPGA has changed. 1:27:19.800 --> 1:27:22.479 What would you like to see happen in the next 1:27:22.520 --> 1:27:26.280 five years? If you if there is one thing that 1:27:26.360 --> 1:27:30.320 you'd like to see kind of rise a change rise 1:27:30.400 --> 1:27:32.160 in the next five. 1:27:32.040 --> 1:27:37.920 Years, what would be I mean, obviously I'm not necessarily 1:27:37.920 --> 1:27:40.040 for selfish reasons at all, but just because in theory, 1:27:40.040 --> 1:27:42.120 I believe it would be the quote unquote right thing 1:27:42.200 --> 1:27:46.200 to do. Person increases because that means that the LPGA 1:27:46.400 --> 1:27:51.240 is being and just women's golf in general around the globe. 1:27:51.280 --> 1:27:54.439 Just the recognition of the fact that we are the 1:27:54.479 --> 1:27:58.000 best female golfers in the world. And you know, there's 1:27:58.120 --> 1:28:03.800 there's something to be said about the entertainment factor of 1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:06.680 the PGA Tour where you know, like Lebron who can 1:28:06.800 --> 1:28:11.840 dunk like you know, like like Niggi Cabrero can hit 1:28:11.880 --> 1:28:15.679 home runs, like Aaron Rodgers who can throw a hail 1:28:15.760 --> 1:28:18.240 Mary on a dime. There is something to be said 1:28:18.240 --> 1:28:20.800 about Brooks Koepka who can vomit. You know, you got 1:28:20.800 --> 1:28:26.120 Cameron Champ who is just obscenely long. Yeah, Like these 1:28:26.160 --> 1:28:30.920 are basically inhuman things that I think that's maybe one 1:28:30.920 --> 1:28:33.720 of the reasons why the numbers in the ratings get 1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:37.000 so big is because it's something that is in essence unattainable. 1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:42.479 Whereas the women we provide a very unique product because 1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:47.280 compare it to ninety percent of the average golfers, you know, 1:28:47.320 --> 1:28:50.520 average good it's it's relatable. 1:28:50.680 --> 1:28:53.280 Yes, I don't under just don't. 1:28:53.320 --> 1:28:54.200 I don't get it. 1:28:54.360 --> 1:28:58.519 Like the thing I think too is like the I mean, 1:28:58.720 --> 1:29:03.360 the architecture is so much more like important for you 1:29:03.400 --> 1:29:04.000 guys too. 1:29:04.400 --> 1:29:09.599 Absolutely, it's like, yes, they're the fairly bunker, Like, no, 1:29:09.680 --> 1:29:11.519 we can't just bomb it over it. So, yeah, we 1:29:11.520 --> 1:29:13.160 actually have to know where it is. It's not going 1:29:13.240 --> 1:29:16.080 to be someone who's like, hey, you know Caddy sitting there. 1:29:16.080 --> 1:29:18.679 Like there's a story of one one Tour player years ago. 1:29:18.560 --> 1:29:20.800 It was like miss Caddy started working for him for 1:29:20.800 --> 1:29:22.120 the first week and I was like, okay, well you've 1:29:22.160 --> 1:29:24.639 got a bunker at and you like stopped them. Was like, mate, 1:29:24.760 --> 1:29:26.840 real quick, if it's less than three hundred yards in 1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:31.360 the air, I don't need to know about it. 1:29:31.479 --> 1:29:33.960 I mean cool, and like if you hit it in 1:29:34.000 --> 1:29:37.479 the rough, like it matters versus like you see these 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:39.880 guys now that it's just like, oh, I'm just going 1:29:39.960 --> 1:29:42.720 to hit a wedge straight up in the air and 1:29:43.000 --> 1:29:44.800 it doesn't matter that I'm in the rough. It's still 1:29:44.800 --> 1:29:49.160 going to stop the same way it's there's there's intent. 1:29:49.280 --> 1:29:52.280 It's much more of a thoughtful game. It's less of 1:29:52.320 --> 1:29:55.240 a power game, more of a thoughtful game for sure. 1:29:55.800 --> 1:29:58.920 In my opinion, it's more of a complete game. And 1:29:59.080 --> 1:30:01.559 not not that there's any anything really incomplete about what's 1:30:01.560 --> 1:30:04.120 going on on the Men's Tour. It's just with the 1:30:04.120 --> 1:30:08.840 way technology has gone, there's one thing to be said 1:30:08.880 --> 1:30:11.800 about the artistry of ball striking when you can have 1:30:12.479 --> 1:30:15.120 you know, one hundred and forty mile an hour ball 1:30:15.200 --> 1:30:17.760 speed with a seven iron or whatever, you know, like 1:30:19.640 --> 1:30:24.720 as opposed to just really having the nests. And you know, 1:30:24.760 --> 1:30:26.840 again when it comes to that entertainment factor, you know 1:30:26.880 --> 1:30:28.799 the fact that the PGA Tour has the same sand 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:32.639 every single week, like sand from the same manufacturer, brought 1:30:32.720 --> 1:30:35.400 to every golf course a certain amount of time prior 1:30:35.439 --> 1:30:38.519 to a tournament taking place. Like I'll sit there and 1:30:38.560 --> 1:30:39.840 I'll be like, I don't know if the sand is 1:30:39.880 --> 1:30:42.439 the same on this side of the bunker versus that 1:30:42.479 --> 1:30:45.639 side of the bunker like eight feet away, because Heaven forbid, 1:30:45.680 --> 1:30:49.280 a bunker used to be deemed an actual hazard, you know, 1:30:49.439 --> 1:30:53.080 so there is, you know, I mean, and like on tour, 1:30:53.160 --> 1:30:55.519 I never sit there rarely. I mean, there might be 1:30:55.560 --> 1:30:58.000 some times when I'm like, get in the bunker, you 1:30:58.040 --> 1:31:01.280 know if the rough is nine inches deep, Whereas you know, 1:31:01.320 --> 1:31:03.160 the guys are always like getting the bunker, getting the 1:31:03.160 --> 1:31:04.880 bunker's missing the green getting the bunker, and I'm like, 1:31:04.920 --> 1:31:06.479 why would you wanted to get in the bunker. You're 1:31:06.520 --> 1:31:08.559 supposed to stay on the grass. I don't. 1:31:08.960 --> 1:31:11.600 One of my one of my things I hope is 1:31:11.640 --> 1:31:16.280 that golf comes back during this the virus soon sooner 1:31:16.280 --> 1:31:18.759 than later, obviously, you know, as soon as it's safe, 1:31:18.800 --> 1:31:23.000 but that they're you know, the likelihood no fan events 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:26.880 with as few volunteers as possible, and and there's no rakes. 1:31:27.080 --> 1:31:30.280 That would be to me one of the coolest things, 1:31:30.640 --> 1:31:34.000 because you know, I love that, you know, you put 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:35.880 with the pin in and there's no rakes on the 1:31:35.880 --> 1:31:37.920 golf course, and then it would be a great way 1:31:37.960 --> 1:31:41.120 to reintroduce that. Like the one of the most compelling 1:31:41.200 --> 1:31:44.960 stories I think is the is Jack Nicholas when he 1:31:45.000 --> 1:31:47.799 went to the furrowed rake times in the two thousand 1:31:47.800 --> 1:31:51.519 and six memorial and people went nuts, but Carl Petterson won. 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:53.559 He only hit it in two bunkers all week, and 1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:56.120 he talked about He's like, oh, yeah, I changed the 1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:58.439 way I played this golf course because I wanted to 1:31:58.439 --> 1:32:00.439 avoid bunkers at all costs. That's the way it. 1:32:00.400 --> 1:32:03.920 Should be, absolutely, That's the way the game was founded on. 1:32:04.280 --> 1:32:06.519 Like you're not supposed to have a perfect lie in 1:32:06.560 --> 1:32:10.160 a bunker, you're not supposed to be able to intuitively 1:32:10.360 --> 1:32:14.559 gauge immediately within an error percentage of five percent of 1:32:14.600 --> 1:32:16.479 how the ball is going to react. You're not supposed 1:32:16.520 --> 1:32:19.559 to this. It's a hazard. That's that's that's you know. 1:32:19.680 --> 1:32:24.400 That's but again, this is to an extent entertainment when 1:32:24.400 --> 1:32:26.920 it comes to the PGA Tour. Again, not a criticism, 1:32:27.000 --> 1:32:29.639 it's just there has been an evolution of the game 1:32:29.720 --> 1:32:31.440 in many regards. 1:32:31.960 --> 1:32:35.400 Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's it's bound to happen. You know, 1:32:35.680 --> 1:32:40.519 every game's evolved. So all right, last question, what's the 1:32:41.200 --> 1:32:45.519 golf course you are hoping to most get to this year? 1:32:50.160 --> 1:32:54.920 I have a very long list, but for me would 1:32:55.200 --> 1:32:57.120 probably be Crystal Downs. 1:32:57.800 --> 1:33:01.240 That's a good one. Guys have that tournament up in 1:33:01.280 --> 1:33:02.320 Northern Michigan too. 1:33:02.439 --> 1:33:05.880 In Midland, Yeah, yeah, I think it's within ninety minutes 1:33:06.040 --> 1:33:08.479 where I think is what it was, or maybe it 1:33:08.560 --> 1:33:10.040 was three hours, I can't remember, but. 1:33:10.120 --> 1:33:12.599 That's the team tournament, right, Yes. 1:33:12.479 --> 1:33:19.799 Yes, the Dow the Greater Midlands is invitational. The Dow GBI, 1:33:20.000 --> 1:33:22.320 I think is what it is. Yeah. So oh and 1:33:22.320 --> 1:33:24.240 that's right. Haley Moore, who is a rookie on the 1:33:24.280 --> 1:33:28.599 LPGA Tour and is someone I've known for I think 1:33:28.640 --> 1:33:30.840 she's twenty one now for six years or so. She 1:33:30.920 --> 1:33:31.920 and I are going to be partners. 1:33:32.479 --> 1:33:33.120 That's awesome. 1:33:33.439 --> 1:33:37.000 Yeah, and she's she's awesome because she can murder the ball, 1:33:37.040 --> 1:33:39.280 but she has some of the most soft hands you'll 1:33:39.320 --> 1:33:41.160 ever see. Like keep an eye out for her, like 1:33:41.439 --> 1:33:43.400 no joke, keep an eye out for her in the 1:33:43.760 --> 1:33:47.040 coming years and for a very long time. But I 1:33:47.040 --> 1:33:47.840 would played Crystal. 1:33:48.640 --> 1:33:53.400 You played the Congruent. I always mess up these words. 1:33:52.280 --> 1:33:58.000 The Congruent event down in Australia, the men's women Yeah, 1:33:58.080 --> 1:34:02.320 the open How that was? How cool was that experience? 1:34:04.080 --> 1:34:05.960 So that was where I was going to go when 1:34:06.000 --> 1:34:08.880 you said if I the things you wanted to change 1:34:08.920 --> 1:34:11.200 with within the next five years of the LPGA tour, 1:34:11.280 --> 1:34:14.680 that would have been number two in my books of 1:34:14.800 --> 1:34:17.840 having more events like that. It was. It was so cool, 1:34:17.880 --> 1:34:20.519 Like is my second time around, because last year was 1:34:20.520 --> 1:34:22.960 my first encounter with it, and it's it's so funny. 1:34:23.000 --> 1:34:26.559 I mean, I'm in a very happy relationship obviously, and 1:34:26.600 --> 1:34:28.800 I just remember on like Saturday, I like walked up 1:34:28.800 --> 1:34:31.879 to Morgan Pressel, I'd be like, and she's very happily 1:34:31.960 --> 1:34:36.960 married and I'm like what psire? Like I felt like 1:34:37.040 --> 1:34:39.280 a kid because it's like, you know, I remember I 1:34:39.320 --> 1:34:41.680 saw Jeff Ogilvy for the first time last year, and 1:34:41.720 --> 1:34:43.479 I saw him again this year, and it was still 1:34:43.479 --> 1:34:46.160 like I had the same reaction of just like, you know, 1:34:46.240 --> 1:34:48.120 like a four year old girl that meets like a 1:34:48.240 --> 1:34:51.040 very handsome man and I'm like, I can't speak, like 1:34:51.280 --> 1:34:56.360 I I'm just completely starstruck and just mesmerized by this man, 1:34:57.560 --> 1:34:59.400 you know. And and then you know, in practice rounds 1:34:59.400 --> 1:35:01.280 you're able to go play with the guys, and it's 1:35:01.280 --> 1:35:03.559 so funny because I'd be there and I like this year, 1:35:03.560 --> 1:35:06.040 I played with Brett Rumford, who has one of Rumsford 1:35:06.080 --> 1:35:07.720 who has one of the best short games you will 1:35:07.760 --> 1:35:11.439 ever see, like follow him on Instagram. He he's it's 1:35:11.560 --> 1:35:16.479 just stupid. And Aaron Pike, who's a buddy of mine 1:35:17.080 --> 1:35:19.240 that I met last year actually, and it's just so 1:35:19.280 --> 1:35:21.200 funny because it's like whenever i'd be talking to any 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:23.839 of the guys, like I met I met Sean Croker Crocker, 1:35:23.880 --> 1:35:26.320 and then I've known Sam Horsefield since he was like fourteenth, 1:35:26.360 --> 1:35:29.360 I've known him forever, and they were both over there. 1:35:29.400 --> 1:35:31.120 It just came back, I believe, from the tournament in 1:35:31.120 --> 1:35:33.840 Saudi Arabia and just sit there and I'm just like, 1:35:33.840 --> 1:35:36.960 you guys hate it so far, and they're like, but 1:35:37.160 --> 1:35:39.280 you guys hate it so straight, and so we're like 1:35:39.439 --> 1:35:42.360 in awe of each other and like you can gain 1:35:42.400 --> 1:35:47.479 an appreciation for the other gender's game styles. And so 1:35:47.600 --> 1:35:51.479 they we have two golf courses and they stagger it 1:35:51.520 --> 1:35:54.559 where the tea times are male female male female male female. 1:35:54.600 --> 1:35:58.240 So as a spectator, you can watch the best men 1:35:59.240 --> 1:36:02.599 and then immediate or previously to that, watch the best 1:36:02.600 --> 1:36:05.080 women and be able to see like the different ways 1:36:05.080 --> 1:36:07.439 in which people can and do play golf. Like it's 1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:10.720 it's just so cool, and there was this sense of community. 1:36:10.760 --> 1:36:13.519 The ropes were taken down and that's how the tournament 1:36:13.560 --> 1:36:18.080 had always been been held. And so all the spectators 1:36:18.120 --> 1:36:20.360 that came out to watch are very respectful. Like you'd 1:36:20.439 --> 1:36:24.599 walk down the fairway with the spectators, and you know, 1:36:24.760 --> 1:36:27.000 they have a great sense of reading people's personalities and 1:36:27.040 --> 1:36:29.040 people's moods and things like that, and you know, I 1:36:29.080 --> 1:36:31.439 would strike up a conversation with someone or something like that, 1:36:31.720 --> 1:36:33.720 or you know, if they if I was playing with 1:36:33.760 --> 1:36:36.440 someone who might have been a little bit more introverted, 1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:38.240 you know, they could tell her I'm not going to 1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:41.800 chat someone up, just becaush. She's there, you know, And 1:36:41.880 --> 1:36:44.479 so it was. It was just really cool. It was. 1:36:44.600 --> 1:36:47.360 It's truly one of my favorite tournaments. And Simon brook 1:36:47.400 --> 1:36:52.080 House of Golf Australia formerly Golf Victoria, he had this 1:36:52.200 --> 1:36:55.680 idea that came into Fruition years ago. That is just 1:36:56.120 --> 1:37:01.000 for me. It's a perfect I mean, it's it's a 1:37:01.040 --> 1:37:03.640 template for so many tournaments. I'm hoping that come in 1:37:03.640 --> 1:37:04.080 the future. 1:37:04.800 --> 1:37:06.920 Yeah, this is a cool I want to I gotta 1:37:06.920 --> 1:37:09.800 get down there, maybe maybe this year, but I say 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:11.240 that every year, so we'll see. 1:37:11.280 --> 1:37:13.280 When I get down there, maybe we can make it happen. 1:37:13.600 --> 1:37:16.280 I know that would you get so much good work 1:37:16.320 --> 1:37:18.200 done and then be able to play golf for so 1:37:18.360 --> 1:37:21.120 long because the sun will basically never set. 1:37:21.720 --> 1:37:25.040 I just I guess see if if a newborn child 1:37:25.160 --> 1:37:35.559 can fly to Australia way oh yeah wow yeah, so 1:37:35.640 --> 1:37:38.840 that will will be like three months old. 1:37:38.960 --> 1:37:41.760 Oh my gosh, that's incredible. 1:37:42.240 --> 1:37:44.080 Yeah, life's gonna change soon. 1:37:44.320 --> 1:37:47.520 So yeah, you're not going to sleep for another forty years. 1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:53.439 Because so, hey, thanks uh so much for your time. 1:37:53.560 --> 1:37:56.240 We'll have to do this again, hopefully, next time, under 1:37:56.280 --> 1:38:02.320 better circumstances in person, you know, maybe maybe we'll have played, 1:38:02.400 --> 1:38:04.439 uh played a good round of golf before. 1:38:04.880 --> 1:38:06.680 So I would love that. And I just want to 1:38:06.680 --> 1:38:08.840 say thank you so much for inviting me on. This is, 1:38:09.360 --> 1:38:13.599 honest to god, the number one podcast that I wanted 1:38:13.600 --> 1:38:15.960 to be on for literal years. 1:38:17.320 --> 1:38:18.400 Sorry it took so long. 1:38:19.439 --> 1:38:22.479 Oh good, No, I anytime I would like look at 1:38:22.479 --> 1:38:24.280 the list of guests and I'm like, well, duh, like 1:38:24.360 --> 1:38:26.519 of course I would have him on, or oh my god, 1:38:26.560 --> 1:38:31.480 like there's another you like yoke with dope like obviously, 1:38:31.680 --> 1:38:34.960 like of course, like are you kidding me? I know, 1:38:35.080 --> 1:38:37.200 I'm just I'm I'm so thankful that you were able 1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:38.760 to be able to fit me in like this was. 1:38:39.160 --> 1:38:40.040 This was amazing. 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:42.479 It's more I wanted to do it. I like to 1:38:42.520 --> 1:38:45.519 I've become a snob. I used to always do ave 1:38:45.560 --> 1:38:49.400 over Skype, and and now I've I became accustomed to 1:38:49.400 --> 1:38:52.120 do an in person pods and now we're back to 1:38:52.160 --> 1:38:55.519 not do an in person pods. So it was it 1:38:55.600 --> 1:38:57.600 was more of a way to when we were in 1:38:57.640 --> 1:38:59.080 the same spot at the same time. 1:39:00.320 --> 1:39:03.879 Oh okay, that's fair enough too. Then it's just stars 1:39:04.120 --> 1:39:06.559 the stars were aligned for us to not meet up 1:39:06.600 --> 1:39:08.920 and all that stuff, and so we had to do 1:39:08.920 --> 1:39:12.960 it virtually. But no, honestly, I'm so thankful like this is. 1:39:13.680 --> 1:39:15.920 I hope I didn't come off as too much of 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:18.360 an idiot, because this was not I was actually really 1:39:18.400 --> 1:39:19.240 concerned about. 1:39:20.040 --> 1:39:22.680 Not an idiot at all. I'm the biggest city in 1:39:22.720 --> 1:39:27.800 the world. So well, people can follow you on social media. 1:39:27.960 --> 1:39:31.839 You're very active, You're good follow there on Instagram and Twitter, 1:39:31.880 --> 1:39:35.640 and thank you so much. And hopefully we'll see you 1:39:35.640 --> 1:39:36.639 playing golf here soon. 1:39:38.600 --> 1:39:40.680 Yeah. Well, you will see me playing golf whenever it 1:39:40.800 --> 1:39:43.120 is safe for us to do so. And that's all 1:39:43.160 --> 1:39:46.240 that matters, whether it's middle of June, whether it's August, 1:39:46.280 --> 1:39:49.320 whether it's twenty twenty one. As long as everyone is 1:39:49.400 --> 1:39:53.760 safe and everyone is on the path to figuring things out, 1:39:53.880 --> 1:39:57.080 that's you know. I mean this. As much as I 1:39:57.080 --> 1:39:59.639 love golf, I love the idea of people staying healthy 1:39:59.680 --> 1:40:01.559 and staying live more than that. But thank you. 1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:05.960 Yeah, all right, hey, thanks, that was fun. That was great. 1:40:06.600 --> 1:40:07.799 That was great. That was awesome. 1:40:08.120 --> 1:40:11.080 Yeah, I might try to do something different when we 1:40:11.160 --> 1:40:14.040 released this. I was thinking today I was talking with 1:40:14.080 --> 1:40:18.080 Will who works for us. About doing maybe like an 1:40:18.080 --> 1:40:20.920 Instagram live for like five minutes. I don't know. You 1:40:20.960 --> 1:40:23.760 know how you can do those where you talking abouls? Yeah? 1:40:23.840 --> 1:40:25.400 Do you want to try and do that? 1:40:26.360 --> 1:40:26.559 Yeah? 1:40:26.600 --> 1:40:28.679 When I don't know, like Sunday or Monday. 1:40:29.160 --> 1:40:30.080 Okay, yeah, I'm down. 1:40:30.320 --> 1:40:33.639 All right, I'll just text. I'll text you, yeah for sure, 1:40:33.760 --> 1:40:37.320 and we'll ask Mike. We'll ask like fun questions like 1:40:37.360 --> 1:40:38.479 what's your favorite fruit? 1:40:39.479 --> 1:40:42.160 Okay, you got it, But just make sure that you 1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:46.880 give me at least thirty minutes of a window so 1:40:47.000 --> 1:40:49.160 I can make sure my eyebrows are drawn off, because 1:40:49.160 --> 1:40:51.400 I'm not going to do an Instagram Live without my eyebrows. 1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:56.240 No, of course, I'll text you. I gotta, you know, 1:40:56.360 --> 1:40:58.880 I gotta. Yeah, I can't be looking like I look 1:40:58.920 --> 1:41:01.320 at now. I look like a because I haven't showered 1:41:01.360 --> 1:41:09.120 and I'm in sweat pants so gorgeous. But well, well, 1:41:09.160 --> 1:41:09.960 i'll text. 1:41:09.720 --> 1:41:12.320 You, Okay, thank. 1:41:12.200 --> 1:41:15.160 You, Hey, thank you. That was a lot of fun. 1:41:15.920 --> 1:41:17.679 That was That was awesome. 1:41:19.640 --> 1:41:22.040 Bye, have a good weekend you too. 1:41:22.240 --> 1:41:22.880 Stay safe. 1:41:23.160 --> 1:41:37.280 Bye bye h