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Speaker 1: Christina Kim. Christina Kim is an LPGA star. She's been
Speaker 1: out there for almost twenty years now. She's played on
Speaker 1: a couple Solheim Cup teams. She's also one a few times.
Speaker 1: So we talked to Christina about her love of architecture
Speaker 1: and golf courses. Uh and then also her career. So
Speaker 1: long winding conversation. And you know, Christina is full of energy.
Speaker 1: She's she's awesome, awesome person. And uh, hope you guys
Speaker 1: enjoy this interview.
Speaker 2: I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset. When
Speaker 2: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a brid egg
Speaker 2: Friday egg, the dreaded Friday Frida Egg fridagg brid Egg
Speaker 2: fridagg bride egg Lie. I'm about ready to run off
Speaker 2: of the home course.
Speaker 1: Is it is this like the longest you've been home
Speaker 1: for a long time, I've had to like you the offe,
Speaker 1: like the holidays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by far, this is the longest I've been home
Speaker 2: whatever home, maybe, whether it's California or here in Orlando,
Speaker 2: where I currently live. So this is the longest I've
Speaker 2: been home for I don't know, almost twenty years.
Speaker 1: It's gotta be wild.
Speaker 2: It's it is wild because another reason why I live
Speaker 2: in Florida is because once it gets hot, I'm not here.
Speaker 2: So I don't mind living in Florida because I don't
Speaker 2: have to deal with the unbearable weather at times. And
Speaker 2: so I'm sitting here and I'm like, Okay, we're in
Speaker 2: the you know, second week of April, and it's ninety degrees.
Speaker 2: I mean today it was actually quite nice. It's like
Speaker 2: eighty two. But it's so humid right now anyway, and
Speaker 2: I'm just like I want to be I mean, clearly
Speaker 2: right now this week we would be in Hawaii. So
Speaker 2: I would much rather be in Hawaii obviously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough thing. Is like everybody, especially like
Speaker 1: the tour pros and Scott's Sale. They're going to be
Speaker 1: getting into the hot weather there, and Florida is getting hot.
Speaker 1: It's like almost it's not the time you're used to
Speaker 1: being home. So what have you been doing to keep
Speaker 1: yourself busy?
Speaker 2: Well? I my county here in Florida. Since the state
Speaker 2: of Florida has gone into a month long, month long
Speaker 2: shelter in place, my county has decided to allow golf
Speaker 2: to be considered an essential activity with people that have
Speaker 2: a tendency to oftentimes come and retire in Florida. You're
Speaker 2: going to have people that come down to Florida with
Speaker 2: the the goal of wanting to play golf all the time.
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, when you're even though you're
Speaker 2: in that more sensitive age range, that could be you
Speaker 2: know more, you know, the complications of getting COVID nineteen
Speaker 2: could be worse. All they want to do is play golf.
Speaker 2: So I've been playing twenty seven holes a day minimum
Speaker 2: this last week. My golf course is a private course
Speaker 2: here in Orlando. They close down the driving range, so
Speaker 2: it's been a lot of fun just basically just pulling
Speaker 2: up out of the car grabbing like I leave my
Speaker 2: golf cart here at the cart barn, grabbing your cart
Speaker 2: and then taking a couple of swings, doing a couple
Speaker 2: of stretches, and then it's just like crack like five times.
Speaker 2: And you know, because we're playing five sums a bit.
Speaker 2: We play in like three and our three three and
Speaker 2: a half hours or something like that for eighteen holes
Speaker 2: because everyone's got their own cart. But it's just it's
Speaker 2: a lot of grunting throughout the throughout the day for
Speaker 2: the first few holds.
Speaker 1: You do you are you normally more of a rain
Speaker 1: trat or do you play more.
Speaker 2: Well when the range was open? I would practice. I
Speaker 2: do enjoy practicing because I'm in a constant I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm fairly fortunate because you know, when you look at
Speaker 2: like you know I have my flight scope or when
Speaker 2: I get on track man or whatever, my path angle
Speaker 2: is never more than one degree, you know, whether it's
Speaker 2: coming over the top a little bit or coming from
Speaker 2: the inside a little too much. So my swing pap
Speaker 2: is pretty much always at zero. But I do always
Speaker 2: feel like I'm working on something. And I also have
Speaker 2: a tendency to I mean, like some of my Caddie's
Speaker 2: least favorite words, or let me try something here, like
Speaker 2: in the middle of a tournament, and you know, like
Speaker 2: most of the time because I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'll try something and I'm confident with it, so it's
Speaker 2: going to be okay, you know. So I do like
Speaker 2: to play around with shots, but I like to balance
Speaker 2: a bit of both. And when I say balance, I
Speaker 2: mean hip balls for an hour, putt for like thirty minutes,
Speaker 2: and then play twenty seven. For me, golf is golf
Speaker 2: is everything I did however last week, or I have
Speaker 2: no concept of what day of the week it is
Speaker 2: right now. It might have been earlier this week.
Speaker 1: It's funny how that works, like no no concept whatsoever,
Speaker 1: because the every day seems like it's the same.
Speaker 2: Exactly like I all I know is next week, on Wednesday,
Speaker 2: I am going to be going and donating platelets over
Speaker 2: at one of my local blood clinics. So it's like
Speaker 2: the time I'm legitimately using my calendar app on my
Speaker 2: phone because normally I'm like, okay, it's practice roun day.
Speaker 2: So chances are it's Tuesday, maybe a Wednesday because we
Speaker 2: have a couple three day events, or if it's a program.
Speaker 2: It's like, all right, boom Wednesday at the very earliest,
Speaker 2: most likely Thursday. And then you know, if I'm you know,
Speaker 2: once I know the cutspan made, I'm like, okay, it's Saturday.
Speaker 2: And then when you you know it's I have not
Speaker 2: had to worry about what day of the week it
Speaker 2: is for a very long time, so it's, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: this is the I guess you know, I mean first
Speaker 2: first not even first world problems, these are first class
Speaker 2: world problems. And so I'm just like, I think it's Friday.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go it is Friday. I did have
Speaker 1: a I thought for at some point today, I was like, God,
Speaker 1: it's Thursday, because I think I saw somebody posting something
Speaker 1: about August said I thought they said like it would
Speaker 1: be a great first round today, and I was like,
Speaker 1: wait is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I I well and like when you like, my
Speaker 2: brain was not My brain just has not been working.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have a concept of a lot
Speaker 2: of normal things, if you will, So when you know,
Speaker 2: when we're trying to figure out timing for everything, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait what they where are we now? And
Speaker 2: like and then on top of that, my phone. I
Speaker 2: always leave everything on military time. So I'm like, wait
Speaker 2: a minute, where Okay, hold on, I'm like Andy's in Chicago. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's try and figure out what is happening. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's for so many reasons, a crazy, crazy world we're
Speaker 2: in right now, Like these are the smallest of problems
Speaker 2: that any of us are having to deal with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, I don't want to talk too
Speaker 1: much about it. I think I uh, my job is
Speaker 1: to keep people, keep keeople, people's minds off of you know,
Speaker 1: what's going on. So I'm curious you you are, You're
Speaker 1: an architecture golf course junkie, and you know, when you're
Speaker 1: on tour a lot of times you sneak in rounds
Speaker 1: during the week at courses nearby or on the way
Speaker 1: from one stop to another. And I'm just curious, when
Speaker 1: did this When did this practice start? When did you
Speaker 1: start really exploring courses that you weren't playing on a
Speaker 1: given week on tour.
Speaker 2: Well, so my boyfriend, Duncan French, he's from New Zealand
Speaker 2: and he we've been together, it'll be ten years in July.
Speaker 2: He and I started, Yeah, obviously ten years. So we
Speaker 2: started dating ten years ago, and he's always been a
Speaker 2: huge fan of golf architecture. And I always say that
Speaker 2: I'm very fortunate because I basically grew up between Pebble
Speaker 2: Beach and Olympic Club, and so I have, in theory,
Speaker 2: had a lot of access to some pretty phenomenal golf
Speaker 2: courses growing up. That being said, I was very I mean,
Speaker 2: I was a stupid kid. I knew nothing. I was
Speaker 2: just like very just like the play golf and be like,
Speaker 2: oh that put was fast, and oh this course is
Speaker 2: pretty and all of that stuff. So I would say,
Speaker 2: really sickly, this has probably been something that's kind of
Speaker 2: been ruined for the last five to seven years or so.
Speaker 2: I don't I was always the kind of person where
Speaker 2: was like, well, if I'm on tour, I'm always going
Speaker 2: to find something wonderful about the tournament, because you know,
Speaker 2: we could be on a golf course that some players
Speaker 2: will say it's crap or whatever, but I'll be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: but you know, the food's great in the city, or
Speaker 2: our fans are awesome, or you know we've got one
Speaker 2: or two really tough holes that I can really appreciate
Speaker 2: things like that. But in the last few years, Duncan's
Speaker 2: really gotten me into architecture, and we've gotten to know
Speaker 2: Michael Clayton really well, and he's just he's he's a legend.
Speaker 2: He's an absolute legend. I love that guy so much.
Speaker 1: And I know, isn't it amazing? How like, you know,
Speaker 1: I know Michael through the Internet and then like when
Speaker 1: I met him for the first time, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're exactly what I like I expected.
Speaker 2: You to be.
Speaker 1: You know, for sure who he is, who he is
Speaker 1: it is, so it's like refreshing, how like, you know,
Speaker 1: how honest and just like authentic he is.
Speaker 2: For sure for sure. I mean he's very ozzy in
Speaker 2: that sense, because they don't like to sugarcoat stuff. They
Speaker 2: just say things how it is. It's it's not you know,
Speaker 2: even if it's like say, if it's a criticism or
Speaker 2: something like that, they're like, I'm not I don't have
Speaker 2: any personal stake in this. I'm just telling you this
Speaker 2: course is crap or you know, like which he says
Speaker 2: quiet a bit to be there. But he's he's just remarkable.
Speaker 2: I love him to death. And although I have yet
Speaker 2: to meet Tom Duncan, Duncan's been a fan obviously of
Speaker 2: history years and you know, a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: we had the opportunity to go play tarat Et and
Speaker 2: that was just that place just blew my mind. Although no,
Speaker 2: to be fair, I would say my my real appreciate
Speaker 2: the very, the very, the tiniest seedling of appreciation of
Speaker 2: golf architecture kind of came about when we were at
Speaker 2: the two thousand and ten US Women's Open, because it
Speaker 2: was we were over at Oakmont and the fact that
Speaker 2: I was able to go and see the church pews
Speaker 2: and just be able to really grasp the idea of
Speaker 2: just such a big golf course and how amazing and
Speaker 2: miraculous the rolls of the hills were, how natural it
Speaker 2: felt while you're you know, playing the ball along the
Speaker 2: ground because it's firm, ash shit, and so you have
Speaker 2: to you know, you can't. It was a little different
Speaker 2: when the guys were there a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: But you you know, especially with being the ladies, you
Speaker 2: don't have as much clubhead speed. You're having to you're
Speaker 2: being required to hit different shots. We only play from
Speaker 2: you know, like three hundred yards shorter than the guys do.
Speaker 2: So these guys will be hitting driver and hitting a
Speaker 2: wedge whereas we're going to be hitting driver and then
Speaker 2: so they're sixty yards past us anyway, and then they're
Speaker 2: usually two clubs longer than us as well. So it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: well you've got a wedge and I'm going to hit
Speaker 2: a five iron and you're going to land it past
Speaker 2: the flag and spin it back. I'm going to have
Speaker 2: to actually utilize the ground and chase something up so
Speaker 2: to be able to be at a golf course at it.
Speaker 2: For some reason, something just clicked and it just really
Speaker 2: showcased how remarkable the structure of the ground was. So
Speaker 2: that's probably where the seedling was really start, where it
Speaker 2: really started to flourish. I think my first encounter with
Speaker 2: like true links golf was at my very first Women's
Speaker 2: British Open, which was at Royal Livem in Saint Anne's
Speaker 2: and for me is still my favorite golf course in
Speaker 2: the UK. I've not been fortunate enough to play all
Speaker 2: of the greats yet, but there's just something so remarkable
Speaker 2: about you know, Like I as soon as I started
Speaker 2: playing that course, I was like I fell in love immediately,
Speaker 2: played like absolute dog shit the very first time, but
Speaker 2: I was hooked to links golf because you know, it's
Speaker 2: not just bomb and gouge. You have to use angles.
Speaker 2: You have to be able to know when to play
Speaker 2: the ball up, when to play the ball down, understand
Speaker 2: how you know the natural contours of just everything within nature,
Speaker 2: whether it's you know the wind where it's coming from,
Speaker 2: and there's a difference between a one o'clock wind or
Speaker 2: a win that's at one point thirty and how much
Speaker 2: that can affect your ball. It's just it's I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just that was there was there was a brief
Speaker 2: lull in time when when I think began, I was
Speaker 2: stupid as a kid, like my brain just kind of
Speaker 2: shut off. But partly with getting to know Duncan and
Speaker 2: starting to date him and just you know, the network
Speaker 2: that he's got and all the people we've spoken to,
Speaker 2: and you know, we've got a really good friend who
Speaker 2: funnily enough, his name is tom Watson. His dad is
Speaker 2: his dad's a golf nerd. I think his sister's name
Speaker 2: is it's either Augusta or Azalea. One of those is
Speaker 2: her first name and one of those is her middle name.
Speaker 2: And so Tommy would go and he like when we're
Speaker 2: in the UK. He would call up during the tournament
Speaker 2: week and be like, hey, you know I'm here with
Speaker 2: you know, you know now presently Dame Laura Davies and
Speaker 2: I'm Tom Watson. We want to come out and play.
Speaker 2: And the story where he came he came to this
Speaker 2: one golf course. I forget the name of it. I'll
Speaker 2: have to ask Duncan later, where like the president of
Speaker 2: the club, they're like greens keeper and everybody came to
Speaker 2: watch them play at dawn. And so Laura shows up
Speaker 2: and Tommy's there and he's like this like he might
Speaker 2: he's like five eight five nine, but he must weig
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty pounds soaking way, and he found
Speaker 2: hers up to the golf course and they're like, who
Speaker 2: is this scrub And he's like, I'm the Tom Watson
Speaker 2: you spoke to. It's not my fault if you thought
Speaker 2: I was, you know, one of them was ever And
Speaker 2: so he's he's been a huge impact on me as
Speaker 2: well in terms of understanding and appreciating golf architecture. And
Speaker 2: he's he's a lot like Michael where he just says
Speaker 2: it how it is and he has very like I
Speaker 2: will say. He's got very very colorful language. You know.
Speaker 1: That's it. You just uncovered a great way to Everybody
Speaker 1: always asks like how do you get access to courses?
Speaker 1: You know, just change your name. Change your name to
Speaker 1: Marco Mira, Tom Watson.
Speaker 2: Maybe legally first, because then you're not technically.
Speaker 1: Five exactly, that's what I Just legally change your name
Speaker 1: and then you can, you know, make it one of
Speaker 1: the great golf names and you'll get out at anywhere
Speaker 1: you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not We're not all like Tom Jokes, who
Speaker 2: could just call places up, you know, like when he
Speaker 2: first started, Like, you can't just you can't just call
Speaker 2: places up because now there are a lot of them are
Speaker 2: more wise to the you know randoms wanting to come
Speaker 2: in if you will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's uh the uh, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: One of the toughest things. And that's what the beauty
Speaker 1: of like you know, the UK and in Australia as
Speaker 1: you can go see them. I'm curious you've played golf
Speaker 1: competitively all around the globe and you've gotten to play
Speaker 1: you know, then casually also at all these places. You know,
Speaker 1: where where's your is it? What part of the world
Speaker 1: is your favorite to play in.
Speaker 2: Oh, It's it's hard to say. In terms of complete
Speaker 2: golf experience, I would say New Zealand without a doubt.
Speaker 2: There's And when I say New Zealand, I mean realistically,
Speaker 2: the only truly remarkable course that I've played over there
Speaker 2: yet was Tara Edie and that is like my number
Speaker 2: one in the entire planet for my entire lifetime. I
Speaker 2: for me, for various reasons. Oakmont was number one for
Speaker 2: you know, about six or seven years, and then I
Speaker 2: went had the opportunity to go and play tar At
Speaker 2: eighty and it just blew my mind. And obviously since
Speaker 2: Suncan's from New Zealand, I am very partial to it.
Speaker 2: I will say, if you know, if anyone's everythinking, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I'd love to go do a golf trip
Speaker 2: down in Australia, this that whatever, and I might do
Speaker 2: like a quick layover stop over in New Zealand. Two things,
Speaker 2: because I absolutely and I mean stand built golf and
Speaker 2: just golf in Australia is just it's so good. There's
Speaker 2: something about just really good, rich, nutritious soil that you
Speaker 2: can just there's there's it just changes the way that
Speaker 2: golf is played and so I would say, if you're
Speaker 2: really thinking that you should do one or the other,
Speaker 2: you can't get anything done in New Zealand that you
Speaker 2: would want to in a couple of days you need.
Speaker 2: You know, the last time I was there, well not
Speaker 2: the last time I was there, but the previous time,
Speaker 2: I was there for about twenty days, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: I got to do about five percent of what I
Speaker 2: wanted to. It is. It is the most spectacular place
Speaker 2: on earth.
Speaker 1: That's why it's like California, but with a fraction of
Speaker 1: the people, right, a.
Speaker 2: Fraction of the people. The food, like you can taste
Speaker 2: the sunshine and the tomatoes there's there are like no GMOs.
Speaker 2: I don't even think they understand what GMOs are over there.
Speaker 2: The meat is so fresh, the seafood is remarkable, Like
Speaker 2: you just go, you just go and fish. Just you
Speaker 2: can truly forge for yourself pretty much anywhere. The wine is,
Speaker 2: you know, if you like pino noirs and Sauvignon blancs,
Speaker 2: they're truly among the best in the world. The people
Speaker 2: are incredible, and like when it comes to Australia, which
Speaker 2: is you know, so for me it's probably that you know, Australasian,
Speaker 2: you know, down under kind of golf would probably be
Speaker 2: my overall favorite. There's so much that I appreciate about
Speaker 2: appreciate about golf in the UK as well, But there's
Speaker 2: it's so cold sometimes that it's nice to be able
Speaker 2: to have, you know, a day when it's like seventy
Speaker 2: eighty ninety one hundred degrees and then yeah, if you
Speaker 2: wanted to go in the fall and play when it's
Speaker 2: like fifty degrees or something like that, that's great. But
Speaker 2: you're just sitting there and just like if you're going
Speaker 2: to like be like, oh, okay, I'm gonna go ploy
Speaker 2: Hoylake or I want to go over and play Hesscat
Speaker 2: or something like that, it's like you got to You
Speaker 2: can't just book your flight two months in advance. You
Speaker 2: gotta like look at the fourteen day forecast. You're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it says that they're going to be
Speaker 2: into a heat wave. It's going to be ninety four
Speaker 2: degrees in six days. I'm buying my ticket now so
Speaker 2: I can play on that day. You know, if you
Speaker 2: wanted to have like that enjoyable, warm experience, like obviously
Speaker 2: when we go for the Scottish open and the Women's
Speaker 2: British open. You know, that's you anticipate having that, the
Speaker 2: slashing down rain, the gale force wins all of that stuff.
Speaker 2: And that's one of the things I really love whenever
Speaker 2: I do go over there and I and I expect
Speaker 2: it like it's it's one thing that I look forward
Speaker 2: to because I love when conditions get not just tough,
Speaker 2: but like it gets to the point where you sit
Speaker 2: there and you're like, you know a lot of people
Speaker 2: are like, I don't even know what to do here,
Speaker 2: Like I'm one fifty out. You know. I would normally
Speaker 2: hit like a strong eight or a little seven or
Speaker 2: something like that, and I'm like, all right, dude, like
Speaker 2: you go ahead and take your seven iron and just
Speaker 2: watch it just wafted up into the wind and come
Speaker 2: forty yards short. I'm gonna chip a little five iron
Speaker 2: and just kind of run it up into the green
Speaker 2: and hit it to like ten feet Like it's that's
Speaker 2: It just requires so much creativity. But it's also nice
Speaker 2: to be able to have the option be like, but
Speaker 2: a few months later you can go and play when
Speaker 2: it's like one hundred degrees, and then you know, six
Speaker 2: months later you can go back and it'll be like
Speaker 2: you're at the British Open and things like that. Again,
Speaker 2: that being said, everything in Australia is trying to kill you.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing. I think that's one of the
Speaker 2: things that makes me want to do New Zealand more
Speaker 2: than Australia because literally everything is trying to kill you
Speaker 2: from the smallest bug you can get, like your heart
Speaker 2: punched out by a kangaroo, like obviously, saltwater crocs, bull sharks.
Speaker 2: I love love Australia and then love the culture. I
Speaker 2: love their like, you know, not not care free, but
Speaker 2: they're just so like chilled out and relaxed, and you
Speaker 2: know they do also love to drink and it's it's awesome.
Speaker 2: And New Zealand is very very similar. But nobody's trying.
Speaker 2: Nothing's trying to hurt you over there.
Speaker 1: Would you say, like Australia and New Zealand, if you
Speaker 1: put like a spectrum together and you've got the UK
Speaker 1: on on one end and you've got the US on
Speaker 1: the other, it's kind of right in the middle.
Speaker 2: No, it's a lot closer to UK in my opinion.
Speaker 2: I you know, obviously I love I was born and
Speaker 2: raised here in the US. I'm I'm a very proud American,
Speaker 2: but most of the time I'm proud to be American.
Speaker 3: And I think that there's just recently there's just been
Speaker 3: this un like inexplicable and like completely inexcusable reason that
Speaker 3: people are.
Speaker 2: Becoming obsessed with green, lush, grass, bomb and gouge. You know,
Speaker 2: you can have a green like you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of the complexities of golf courses have been lost due
Speaker 2: to so many trees out there. You know, you're sometimes
Speaker 2: you feel like you're only on one hole at a
Speaker 2: golf course at a time, which I can understand. At
Speaker 2: times you want to have that sense of seclusion and
Speaker 2: things like that, but you don't see any other parts
Speaker 2: of the golf course other than the hole that you're on. Greens.
Speaker 2: Although you know, I love fast greens, I don't think
Speaker 2: that putters, like the best putters, necessarily showcase themselves when
Speaker 2: greens are fast. I think that a lot of times,
Speaker 2: like green complexities and things like that are are sort
Speaker 2: of taken away when greens are too fast. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just it's just American golf is just
Speaker 2: very different these days. Unless you go to somewhere like
Speaker 2: a you know, like the Loop or if you were
Speaker 2: to go to you know, like I played the Sandbox
Speaker 2: and Mamasoons when we were over in Wisconsin and things
Speaker 2: like that, And so I think that in a perfect way.
Speaker 2: And also, I mean, like we've been in like a
Speaker 2: national drought for ever, so you would think that people
Speaker 2: would want to appreciate the idea of brown as beautiful
Speaker 2: for if nothing else, just so that we can have
Speaker 2: water accessible to everybody and not have random wildfires just
Speaker 2: scourging the entire earth. But that's something else altogether. But
Speaker 2: I would I would put it a little bit closer
Speaker 2: towards the UK than to the US, in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about this a little later, but
Speaker 1: I'm curious. You're you're like one of the ogs of
Speaker 1: the LPGA tour. You've been you've been on it for
Speaker 1: almost twenty years now, which and I'm curious about how
Speaker 1: the tour has evolved since you were what nineteen eighteen
Speaker 1: year old on tour today.
Speaker 2: Well obviously just like just like on the Men's Tour,
Speaker 2: because I know they just they just showed like the
Speaker 2: ninety seven Masters, and you know, you look at the
Speaker 2: players out there, And I was talking with one of
Speaker 2: my friends this morning and he was like, yeah, they
Speaker 2: you can definitely tell like the the field back then
Speaker 2: looked a lot more like there's just a sea of
Speaker 2: substitute teachers, whereas now everyone looks more like actual athletes,
Speaker 2: if you will.
Speaker 4: Which it did make me laugh when when he told
Speaker 4: me that, yeah, it's you know, so fashion aside.
Speaker 2: And then he was like, and then you see Tiger,
Speaker 2: who is this like life, you know, like panther like
Speaker 2: figure that just sort of like slinked around like not
Speaker 2: even like a time, not even like Tiger just wasn't
Speaker 2: moving like a tiger. He was moving like a leopard
Speaker 2: or like a panther almost, you know, because it was
Speaker 2: just that sort of sinewy sort of just flow that
Speaker 2: he had. And so there's a bit of that out
Speaker 2: here on tour as well. The ladies obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: they've always for the most part, they've always been relatively fit,
Speaker 2: but there's been a huge explosion in terms of fitness,
Speaker 2: a huge explosion in terms of understanding nutrition, and it's
Speaker 2: gotten it's gotten a bit more business like for sure. Again,
Speaker 2: I was so stupid when I first got out on tour.
Speaker 2: I was oblivious to everything, so I can only talk
Speaker 2: about the things that I like know, so I don't
Speaker 2: And again I don't also know if it's different because
Speaker 2: I am those girls now, because like you said, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm entering my nineteenth year as a professional, my eighteenth
Speaker 2: season on the LPGA tour, and I've seen everything. So
Speaker 2: now I'm at the age where I'm looking at these
Speaker 2: kids that are the age that I was when I first,
Speaker 2: you know, got my tour card and I was like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I was stupid, but some of y'all are stupid.
Speaker 1: I think everybody looks at their younger self and says that, yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I was stupid, but there's stupid, Like they're stupid.
Speaker 2: Like you know, like everyone's everyone's great and kind and wonderful,
Speaker 2: but I'm just like like, I'm like I sit there
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm like twice your age, but you
Speaker 2: don't understand the concept of this version of new technology.
Speaker 2: Like what, I didn't have a cell phone at your
Speaker 2: age and you've had one since you were nine, Like.
Speaker 1: I don't think about that.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's remarkable, you know, or it's like you know,
Speaker 2: if I like you know, I would like obviously, when
Speaker 2: you're younger, it's like, you know, it's never your fault
Speaker 2: because you're like, oh, like I knew I should have
Speaker 2: hit the eight iron, but you told me to hit
Speaker 2: seven iron or something like that, and I you know,
Speaker 2: would sit there and like, you know, because my dad
Speaker 2: pattied for me on my first three and a half
Speaker 2: years on tour, which is really cool because he was
Speaker 2: there for my first win. He helped me gain my
Speaker 2: first Soulheim Cup point, which was awesome, and you know,
Speaker 2: I so we would have like you know, sat and
Speaker 2: things like that, but that was also just because you know,
Speaker 2: we we are identical in so many ways. So when
Speaker 2: you're basically trying to get your point across to a
Speaker 2: mirror that's voicing the opposite thing, it's really hard to
Speaker 2: get anyone to back down.
Speaker 1: But like some and it's their parent, it's your parent
Speaker 1: like naturally, like they're they're supposed to tell you the
Speaker 1: way to do it. But in a player caddy relationship,
Speaker 1: it's so much different.
Speaker 2: Well, and when you're a young adult as well, you
Speaker 2: know you're supposed to be embarking on this journey to
Speaker 2: learn things or whatever, and everyone like I was so
Speaker 2: stupid back then that I was like, oh, I know everything,
Speaker 2: And nowadays I look and I'm like, I still don't
Speaker 2: know shit. So I don't know how you thought you
Speaker 2: knew anything back then, But it's just like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because like after my dad stopped chatting
Speaker 2: for me, I you know, and started working with other caddies,
Speaker 2: It's like it got to the point where i'd hit
Speaker 2: a bad shot and like I would instead of just
Speaker 2: being like, oh, you gave me a bad club, I'd
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I'm an idiot because I decided to
Speaker 2: go against my own personal thoughts and took your advice,
Speaker 2: which you're only trying to provide me with assistance. But
Speaker 2: I should have stuck to my guns. Whereas nowadays, like
Speaker 2: even if I you know, I don't ask my caddies
Speaker 2: for much like I have my own yardage book, I'm
Speaker 2: already calculating stuff, Like basically, from the moment I make
Speaker 2: impact with my t shot, I have an idea of
Speaker 2: one to three clubs I'm going to hit into the green.
Speaker 2: As soon as I make contact with my approach shot,
Speaker 2: I already know what kind of put I'm going to have,
Speaker 2: you know, And so nowadays it's like I don't. I'll
Speaker 2: ask for you know, I'll ask for a number, but
Speaker 2: it's more like I got this, do you like something
Speaker 2: around that number? And if I miss agreeen, like I
Speaker 2: walk back and I like hand my club back moment,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I missed the green, Like I just like,
Speaker 2: it's amazing how much you can change as as a
Speaker 2: as a player and just as a human being, and
Speaker 2: the way you see things and the way you see
Speaker 2: other people.
Speaker 1: Now that's how you know, I played competitive golf up
Speaker 1: until like two years ago, really, you know, from since college,
Speaker 1: and and I just you look think about like through
Speaker 1: the years, how like I didn't think I would get
Speaker 1: I was getting better and better, but I didn't think
Speaker 1: that I was actually better. I was just becoming less
Speaker 1: of an idiot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it sees for me. I think that
Speaker 2: I just have an understanding of like the longer I've
Speaker 2: been competitive, you know, because I was, like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: twelve years ago, I was like top fifteen and driving
Speaker 2: distance might have been top ten, I'm not entirely sure
Speaker 2: like whereas now, like you know, it's just such bullshit
Speaker 2: with these like ginormous heads. I have no business being
Speaker 2: like in golfers hands. These days, I've lost yardage, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because the golf club is
Speaker 2: so big, or if it's because, like I like, if
Speaker 2: you look at my driver, it's like the war spot's
Speaker 2: dead in the middle every single time. And it's always
Speaker 2: been that way. But I was much longer back in
Speaker 2: the day, and so I kind of like, I sit
Speaker 2: there and I'm just like, OK, I'm not. I don't
Speaker 2: you know, I'm starting to get some distance back, but
Speaker 2: I'm not, you know, one of those kids that's hitting
Speaker 2: at fifteen yards further now with all this technology or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I know, I know myself as a player now,
Speaker 2: Like I sit there and I'm like, I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I've always been a phenomenal ball striker, gotten to stand
Speaker 2: my putting a little bit better and more than anything.
Speaker 2: So much of golf, like truly is mental because you
Speaker 2: sit there and it's like, you know, it's it's funny,
Speaker 2: like I've got a couple of kids out here that
Speaker 2: I sort of I wouldn't really say mentor because I
Speaker 2: teach you a lot, but you know, a kid Brendan Baldeesk,
Speaker 2: who's just a remarkable golf where he signed with Auburn
Speaker 2: as a freshman in high school. He just has these
Speaker 2: un like he'll play like thirty yard draws and forty
Speaker 2: yard cuts, and he'll play it high, he'll play it low.
Speaker 2: He'll you know, take his sixty four degree and throw
Speaker 2: it out one twenty and have it come back to
Speaker 2: like ninety eight or something like that. It's it's unbelievable
Speaker 2: some of the shots that he has, which provides me
Speaker 2: with hope for the future of golf in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways. But like I sit there and I just
Speaker 2: kind of watch him, and I'm like, you're so impressive.
Speaker 2: But you know, when you when you get angry, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, you didn't hit that shot perfect, Like
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you're not in the water. Like kay,
Speaker 2: Let's say you you ripped it back too far and
Speaker 2: it took the false front and ended up rolling thirty
Speaker 2: five yards where you carried it like one. Maybe you
Speaker 2: could have thought of clubbing up one and just kind
Speaker 2: of chipping something up there running it up, or you
Speaker 2: could sit there and think, okay, like my ball is here,
Speaker 2: now I can still make Birdie like doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be because you know, lip out for eagle or something
Speaker 2: like that. So I think a lot of it is
Speaker 2: just like my mentality and my just understanding of it's
Speaker 2: not just that nothing is perfect because as a golfer,
Speaker 2: like we have that psychosis where we're always thinking, no,
Speaker 2: it's never been proven that perfect can happen. But I
Speaker 2: maybe I'm the one. Maybe I'm the one that can
Speaker 2: prove it is it is possible. But nowadays, you know,
Speaker 2: instead of getting really angry at shots, I'm just like,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be the sickest up and down anyone's
Speaker 2: ever seen. Or you know, man, I didn't see that
Speaker 2: coming or something like that. But that's not to say
Speaker 2: that I'm going to immediately walk away with a bogie
Speaker 2: or you know, I can still make birdie like this
Speaker 2: year at when we were over at Royal Adelaide, which
Speaker 2: oh love that place so much. Like that it's so,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna lie. And I did feel
Speaker 2: a little bad because after the tournament was over that night,
Speaker 2: the entire grounds crew, which they had an unbelievable number
Speaker 2: of people that were there that would basically be up
Speaker 2: at three o'clock in the morning, get the course in
Speaker 2: christine condition, and then as soon as the last putt
Speaker 2: dropped at seven o'clock, they were back out there doing
Speaker 2: everything they got to keep the course perfect and do
Speaker 2: it just you know, day in day out. So my
Speaker 2: uh Duncan and I would kind of crash their after
Speaker 2: party a little bit, and you know, because we just wanted,
Speaker 2: like one their their head their head. Pro Tony invited us,
Speaker 2: but we just wanted to, you know, just go and
Speaker 2: hang out with the guys and just be like, just
Speaker 2: you guys did such a great job, and I'm so
Speaker 2: sorry you guys got so little sleep for so long.
Speaker 2: But let's chug a few beers, let's dance to a
Speaker 2: little music, and let's just like have a rager and
Speaker 2: celebrate everything that happened. And I was just like, I'm
Speaker 2: really sorry, Burh. But if I had to critique one thing,
Speaker 2: because you know, and I was praising it the whole
Speaker 2: week because I love that golf course altogether, I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, it was a little too green
Speaker 2: for my liking.
Speaker 5: If I had to be picky about anything, like think
Speaker 5: of how much like not just tougher the golf course
Speaker 5: would play, but just how much more character of the
Speaker 5: golf course you could showcase.
Speaker 2: By getting you know, like just getting people to understand
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I mean like because our balls were
Speaker 2: probably you know, jumping six to seven yards just in
Speaker 2: the first balance from like but think about how crazy
Speaker 2: it would have been where you're having to land something
Speaker 2: eight yards short of the green to be able to
Speaker 2: get it to stop in the middle because the winds
Speaker 2: were whipping like there was just it was just remarkable.
Speaker 2: It was it was so much fun. Like those two
Speaker 2: weeks in Australia were great, Like I think it was.
Speaker 2: We had like the long the strongest dust there in
Speaker 2: the two weeks while we were playing was like seventy
Speaker 2: miles an hour or something like that. But because the
Speaker 2: greens weren't rolling at twelve, the balls were not oscillating
Speaker 2: and they were rolling away, so we were able to
Speaker 2: keep playing. And I don't think, like I think there's
Speaker 2: something so great because golf is an outdoor sport, like
Speaker 2: weather happens, good draws happen. You play in the rain,
Speaker 2: you play, someone else plays in the sunshine, whatever, like
Speaker 2: stuff like that happens all the time. But you know,
Speaker 2: there's no better metaphor for life other than golf in
Speaker 2: my opinion, because you sit there and you're like, boom,
Speaker 2: pipe a drive down the middle of the fairway, Boom,
Speaker 2: you know, hit it to eight feet and then boom,
Speaker 2: hit a perfect put with perfect speed going right dead
Speaker 2: in the center of the cup. And then there was
Speaker 2: one blade of graph that you didn't see that just
Speaker 2: veers it offline or something like that. You do everything
Speaker 2: right and you could still get screwed.
Speaker 1: Like then, and then your playing partner could hit a
Speaker 1: crappy drive, a crappy second shot of mediocre chip that
Speaker 1: then can is twenty footer and you make the same score.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just the thing.
Speaker 2: It's a great equalizer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's something you were talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: just with like firm conditions that I think one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things is when golf turns from you know,
Speaker 1: distance to the pin to distance to front edge, and
Speaker 1: that's what you're like, everything revolves around what's what's the
Speaker 1: what's the yardist to the front edge instead of like
Speaker 1: that's what you're thinking about no matter where the pin is,
Speaker 1: it's like okay, like and that's when golf really comes
Speaker 1: alive and I. You know, that's I think what every course,
Speaker 1: especially in America, should be striving towards is like, how
Speaker 1: do we get conditions where we're playing front edge golf
Speaker 1: for sure?
Speaker 2: For sure, or like say like Pinehurst Number two, which
Speaker 2: I was very fortunate enough to play, you know, the
Speaker 2: day after I finished a two week long Q school
Speaker 2: see like excursion, you know, I was. I I was
Speaker 2: given the green light to be able to come out
Speaker 2: the next day and play, and I was just like,
Speaker 2: let go, Like I was so excited. So played the Cradle,
Speaker 2: played number two, and it's just you sit there and
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, you've got this massive, massive green that
Speaker 2: realistically only sixty percent of it at the very most
Speaker 2: is something you could actually play with. And within that
Speaker 2: sixty percent of the green, there's probably only thirty or
Speaker 2: forty percent that you can actually play with in order
Speaker 2: to give yourself a viable option at Verdie Like, I
Speaker 2: think there's just something just so remarkable at just being
Speaker 2: able to just I don't know, like you know, utilize
Speaker 2: the false fronts or you know, chase something up or
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's just there's just something
Speaker 2: so cool about, you know, utilizing the ground because there's
Speaker 2: it's like that's that's the thing that we're connected to
Speaker 2: as human beings. You know, we're always connected to the ground.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's just there's so much of golf
Speaker 2: and you know, even out here, like obviously there's a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons why we play in carts. You know,
Speaker 2: one is just to continue with pace of play, and
Speaker 2: I do understand that. But at the same time, like
Speaker 2: there's so much more you can appreciate about a golf
Speaker 2: course when you're walking it, you know, like that, and
Speaker 2: that's one thing I love about you know, when like
Speaker 2: I last night I was going through Tom dok had
Speaker 2: sent me, uh personalized coffees for Duncan and me the
Speaker 2: you know, four of his five h you know the
Speaker 2: comment yeah yeah, and so just and just knowing that
Speaker 2: he's like, you know, I walk these golf courses and
Speaker 2: that in theory was enough to be able to grasp
Speaker 2: the concept of the golf course, whereas a lot of times,
Speaker 2: you know, like I know, there are some architects that
Speaker 2: had come to a certain golf course that's you know
Speaker 2: in the midst of construction right now for their renovation
Speaker 2: that they just did a helicopter flyby it, or they
Speaker 2: legitimately opened up Google Earth and thought, this is how
Speaker 2: I'm going to change the golf course just based off
Speaker 2: of the topography alone. Whereas like, you know, a friend
Speaker 2: of mine that I know, he was the only group
Speaker 2: that went out and actually walked the grounds and was
Speaker 2: able to truly get, you know, a feel of the
Speaker 2: golf course as opposed to just a you know, quote
Speaker 2: unquote three dimensional you know view of it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, yeah, yeah, I mean it's you
Speaker 1: get walking. You just noticed so much stuff I noticed,
Speaker 1: like a lot of times now I just walk courses
Speaker 1: because I can do it really quickly, you know, playing
Speaker 1: as if I want to go see somewhere and I
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of time, I just go walk it.
Speaker 1: And like even without playing, like I've recognize so much
Speaker 1: more stuff because I'm not just going around wherever my
Speaker 1: ball is, Like I'm just walking and I've I've you know,
Speaker 1: you get singularly focused on your ball, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're playing, it's like, okay, I'm going here, Like just
Speaker 1: like you were talking about, like you hit a shot,
Speaker 1: you already are thinking about what am I going to
Speaker 1: do on the next one, or what my putt's gonna
Speaker 1: be like? Or how am I going to get up
Speaker 1: and down here? And you miss all the stuff that's
Speaker 1: going on anywhere away. You almost get tunnel vision. Something
Speaker 1: I was curious about. So something Tom dok has talked
Speaker 1: about on my podcast is designing a designing a course
Speaker 1: specifically for women. And if you were going to design
Speaker 1: a championship course for like the LPGA Tour, like like
Speaker 1: a TPC sawgrass is for the PGA Tour, how would
Speaker 1: it be different than the traditional championship golf that you
Speaker 1: guys play week in week out if it was specific
Speaker 1: for the women's game.
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, it would be hard as
Speaker 2: ship like like not not necessarily just difficult to ship,
Speaker 2: but it would be firm as shit. There would be hmm.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would make sure that we I would
Speaker 2: I would probably do off rescue first and foremost because
Speaker 2: rescu is my favorite favorite type of grass. I would
Speaker 2: I don't know where I would put it. It would
Speaker 2: like for me just because like my favorite place to
Speaker 2: play golf so far is like the Great the Great
Speaker 2: Lakes region. I have yet to play ballyt Neal or
Speaker 2: sand Hills, although Duncan did, and so he did the
Speaker 2: two of them back to back day. So I didn't
Speaker 2: talk to him for a week. I was not able
Speaker 2: to go because someone had to play a golf tournament
Speaker 2: and so I can't say anything to to the land
Speaker 2: over there. But there would be I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 2: because the thing is you, it would it would be
Speaker 2: a call of course that you would want to challenge
Speaker 2: the PGA players. So to one end, you would almost think, okay, well,
Speaker 2: if you look at the stats, and a lot of
Speaker 2: it has to do with technique obviously, but a lot
Speaker 2: of it also just has to do with a lack
Speaker 2: of speed in comparison to the men. You know, the
Speaker 2: Fairway's hit percentage is so much higher on the ladies'
Speaker 2: tour than it is to the men's tour. And then
Speaker 2: you kind of get into the battle of well, if
Speaker 2: we're going to make it, you know, a women's golf
Speaker 2: tournament course, do we want to have the tips pulled
Speaker 2: back all the way to like eight thousand yards, which
Speaker 2: is where technology is basically forcing us to go these days,
Speaker 2: and then have like our tournament tea boxes like way
Speaker 2: further up, or.
Speaker 1: Would you want to do it's all it's only for you.
Speaker 1: You're only played one tournament a year on this golf course.
Speaker 1: It's LPGA. Say it's just the LPGA. You know you're
Speaker 1: sixth major. We'll call it the gold standard of the LPGA.
Speaker 2: I would probably be about sixty nine hundred yards long.
Speaker 2: There would be a lot of There wouldn't be crazy
Speaker 2: amounts of elevation changes, but I would have a lot
Speaker 2: of false fronts. I would like to have, God, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, a radan would be nice, punch
Speaker 2: bowl would be great. I don't have. I've only ever
Speaker 2: played one course really that I can think of that
Speaker 2: have like a thumbprint green, So I don't know if
Speaker 2: I would toss one of those in, but it would
Speaker 2: be firm, ash shit, it would be all rescue and again,
Speaker 2: like you sit there and you're like, okay, Well, in theory,
Speaker 2: if you want to really battle against the golf course,
Speaker 2: of battle against the LPGA players, because they're such straight
Speaker 2: drivers of the golf ball, Like you'd want to have
Speaker 2: like twenty one yard fairways. But I don't believe that
Speaker 2: narrow fairways should be what determines a course's difficulty, because
Speaker 2: it's all about you know, I would want to make
Speaker 2: sure that you know, you would have you would have
Speaker 2: to play angles because you would have to think like
Speaker 2: in order to get here, like I would, I would
Speaker 2: hope that if I created a golf course, I would
Speaker 2: get the players that were smart enough to think, Okay,
Speaker 2: i'm gonna hit my drive, I'm gonna do this, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do that, I'm gonna get onto the green, and
Speaker 2: then based on where I think they're gonna put the
Speaker 2: whole locations, I'm gonna turn around and then see where
Speaker 2: I have to drive the ball to in order to
Speaker 2: access this kind of pin. So there wouldn't be like
Speaker 2: you know, it wouldn't be like crazy undulations to the greens,
Speaker 2: but there would be a few like subtle slopes that
Speaker 2: would you know, prevent you know it would it would
Speaker 2: be very focused on making sure you hit your t
Speaker 2: shots to the correct side of the green. You would
Speaker 2: have bunkers with no rough between the fairway and the
Speaker 2: and the bunkers. I'd want put fairways to run out
Speaker 2: into the bunkers. I sound really, I mean, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: very I'm not. I you make it sound like I
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about when it comes to architecture,
Speaker 2: whereas I'm more like, that's pretty I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I was just curious. I was thinking, like
Speaker 1: you is, you might have less bunkers pressed against greens,
Speaker 1: especially if it's firm right, and you might have bunkers
Speaker 1: a little bit back at greens where your landing zone
Speaker 1: would be more so right because you'd want that ball
Speaker 1: to run up. And I mean, you could make fairways
Speaker 1: narrower by creating with with undulation and with undulation where
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't hit a certain spot, your
Speaker 1: ball goes really far right or really far left, you know.
Speaker 1: But it's it's an interesting because like I've always thought,
Speaker 1: like you know, for you guys, what she hit on
Speaker 1: like you, you need it to be more narrow than
Speaker 1: what you know, a standard golf courses.
Speaker 2: I guess we do. I mean, I mean you, I mean.
Speaker 1: You hit like you hit like what like eighty percent
Speaker 1: of your faaraways or so.
Speaker 2: Probably to be honest. And and I sit there and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I can't believe I only hit eighty
Speaker 2: percent of my fairways. I wish well, Okay, so I
Speaker 2: do this a little bit with my friends. Okay, So
Speaker 2: let's say tell me, tell me the width of a
Speaker 2: conservatively narrow fairway for you, like like a narrow.
Speaker 1: Fairway, not just like thirty yards.
Speaker 2: Right, let's go twenty, right, because yeah, twenty yards.
Speaker 1: Is narrow twenty so yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, in one yard you have three feet, so in
Speaker 2: twenty yards you have sixty feet. In one foot you
Speaker 2: have twelve inches. So in sixty yards or sixty feet
Speaker 2: a fairwa you have seven hundred and twenty inches. You
Speaker 2: divisee seven hundred and twenty by one point eighty six,
Speaker 2: which is a diameter of golf ball. You can fit
Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty seven golf balls in a twenty
Speaker 2: yard fairway side by side by side by side.
Speaker 1: I mean, now you make it seem really wide.
Speaker 6: You only get one ball, too, so you one golf
Speaker 6: ball comprises of less than like it's like a quarter
Speaker 6: of a percent of a of a fairway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not even the part of the golf
Speaker 2: ball that's actually touching the fairway, Like it's for me,
Speaker 2: it's all about person like that's that's one thing. Like
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like when we were in at the
Speaker 2: over at Royal Adelaide, like we played the whole number seventeen,
Speaker 2: which Michael Clayton had done the redesign too that people
Speaker 2: were not happy with because he had a left or
Speaker 2: right sloping fairway with a couple of fairway bunkers in
Speaker 2: the middle, so you can take it down the right
Speaker 2: side or down the left side. And when I played it,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's a pretty severe slope on the
Speaker 2: far left side, and it's it visually looks flatter and
Speaker 2: more wide on the right. But again, like it's like
Speaker 2: you go out there, you play your practice round, and
Speaker 2: it's like you sit there and you're like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: but there's like a fair there's a there's a bunker
Speaker 2: on the front right and then a hill before you
Speaker 2: get to the green, and there's like there's a bunker
Speaker 2: way left, and there's some like a bunker you know
Speaker 2: over here and there in that, but there's this like
Speaker 2: beautiful trough coming from the left side of the fairway.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you want to hit it down the left side
Speaker 2: of the fairway that so that you'd be able to
Speaker 2: utilize that left side and just kind of have it
Speaker 2: chased down there. And like, I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was like eighty percent of the girls went down the
Speaker 2: right and I'm looking. I like, went down the right side,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, where the hell is the green? Like
Speaker 2: all basically all you see are bunkers, and like the
Speaker 2: ability to hit into said bunkers because you're going to
Speaker 2: have to play such a massive cut and then hope
Speaker 2: for the terrain to take the ball in towards the fairway,
Speaker 2: towards the green so you can maybe kind of nestle
Speaker 2: it up to the front of the green. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's like, it looks almost dead straight if you go
Speaker 2: down the left side, and everyone's like, but it's so narrow.
Speaker 2: I'm like, but you got this huge slope on the left,
Speaker 2: so you could take it basically left in the rough
Speaker 2: and you're going to almost guarantee that your ball's going
Speaker 2: to come back into the fairway onto the flat fot
Speaker 2: And Duncan was talking with Clayt's afterwards or during the week.
Speaker 2: He told me afterwards he was like, clay You're supposed
Speaker 2: to hit down the left side right on number seventeen,
Speaker 2: and you know, clayt'son his you know, klays Basher was like,
Speaker 2: you know, fucking course you do. I mean, what kind
Speaker 2: of idiot would ever think that if you want to
Speaker 2: actually give yourself a chance at you know, eagle although
Speaker 2: it's a part four when the men normally play it,
Speaker 2: like why would you ever go down the right side
Speaker 2: like you're you know, and so I sit there and
Speaker 2: I'm like, it basically showcases your your your weakness or
Speaker 2: your fears if you're going to take it down the
Speaker 2: right side because you think that t shot is a
Speaker 2: safe play. I'm like, you can't hit it like you
Speaker 2: you can't hit it into the fairy bunker from the
Speaker 2: left side.
Speaker 1: Basically isn't interesting? How how when you know that that hole,
Speaker 1: the way it sets up makes people make a decision
Speaker 1: and it's kind of if you're going to try and
Speaker 1: hit it down the left, it's going to be uncomfortable. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but because of that, they like automatically don't like it.
Speaker 2: Because we're creatures of habit. We don't like being scared.
Speaker 2: We don't like doing uncomfortable things like but that's all it.
Speaker 2: The only time it's ever uncomfortable is that very first
Speaker 2: time you hit it. Yeah, and then you hit your
Speaker 2: shot and you're like, huh, well now I feel stupid.
Speaker 2: There's no there's basically no conceivable way for me to
Speaker 2: hit it into those fairly bunkers if I go down
Speaker 2: the left, because if the wind's coming off the left,
Speaker 2: I'll just aim further left and then it'll you know,
Speaker 2: like it's it's it's just it's hysterical like that you
Speaker 2: should be down the right side.
Speaker 1: I mean, the center center bunkers are so compelling in
Speaker 1: tournament golf because it makes you make a decision. I
Speaker 1: played the mid am Stone Wall, which is a dope course,
Speaker 1: and one of the I was coming down the stretch.
Speaker 1: I'm like on the bubble of match play, and we
Speaker 1: played a practice round at this hole and it's like
Speaker 1: I think it's a fifteenth hole or fourteenth hole on
Speaker 1: the on one of the courses at Stonewall, and there's
Speaker 1: this tiny little bunker right in the middle of the
Speaker 1: fairway and we play the practice round. To me and
Speaker 1: my buddies are just like, I mean, I guess you
Speaker 1: just aim right at it, you know, because like the left,
Speaker 1: the left is where you wanted to go, but there's
Speaker 1: ob and like, you know, I'm not going to try
Speaker 1: and hit it, so I just like I'll just say
Speaker 1: aim at it, Like what are the chances to be
Speaker 1: hitting in this two yard bunker, so fast forward, I'm
Speaker 1: like on the bubble of masch play. Sure enough, hit
Speaker 1: it right into the bunk, like hit her best drive
Speaker 1: of the day, lance right into it, and like it's
Speaker 1: just like, but I was too chicken to make a decision.
Speaker 1: So like, and if I was, if I was smarter,
Speaker 1: I would have just you know, said hey, I'm hitting
Speaker 1: it up the left, I'm playing well, I can hit
Speaker 1: the shot. But I didn't, and I got penalized because
Speaker 1: of that. But everybody will say, oh, that's unfair because
Speaker 1: I hit it right down the middle of the fairway.
Speaker 2: See where I sit there, And I think, if I'm
Speaker 2: just going to aim at that bunker, I'm going to
Speaker 2: hit it in that bunker because I'm that straight with
Speaker 2: my driver. And then also if we had had that
Speaker 2: talk about how big a twenty yard fairway is, because
Speaker 2: I'm sure there was at least twenty yards.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's like thirty and forty yards. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: come on, Andy, I mean, it was like the chance
Speaker 1: of me hitting the two yard bunkers. So but that's
Speaker 1: it makes you uncomfortable and it makes you do something
Speaker 1: you don't want to do, which I didn't want to
Speaker 1: aim at a bunker, but I felt like I had
Speaker 1: to aim at the bunker I didn't have.
Speaker 2: I wish I was chatting for you that day. I
Speaker 2: would I would have been like, girl, now you're gonna
Speaker 2: you gotta man the hell up, like we're going down
Speaker 2: that left side. You've got this, you have this.
Speaker 1: Hey, uh, I want to talk to you. I read
Speaker 1: an Allan ship knock article from your from your rookie year,
Speaker 1: and si, I want I want to hear about driving
Speaker 1: around the driving the country with your parents from staff
Speaker 1: to stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we did this. Let's see. So I came
Speaker 2: back to California.
Speaker 7: In August of two thousand and two because I finished
Speaker 7: my rookie and only year that I had played on
Speaker 7: what is now the Semetra Tour then called the Future Tour.
Speaker 2: Finished number two on the money list. Back then they
Speaker 2: only gave out three cards and lost to loreno Ocho
Speaker 2: for Player of the Year Rookie of the Year by
Speaker 2: like two hundreds or something like that, not that I
Speaker 2: you know, think about that actual or whatever. Mind you.
Speaker 2: She she heard season started in May, mind started in March,
Speaker 2: so she absolutely deserved it, and so flew back home
Speaker 2: my parents. Both my parents were there because my dad
Speaker 2: was catting for me on the Futures tour then as well,
Speaker 2: they decided to drive. We were in a like a
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five Dodge van that like a what are
Speaker 2: those things called a conversion van, So it's had like
Speaker 2: wood paneling, TV like in the thing. We had like
Speaker 2: some of the seats taken down, and like I was
Speaker 2: napping in the back whenever we'd be driving and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. I had gotten my license at seventeen, so
Speaker 2: I was still very new to driving. So the idea
Speaker 2: of being in this like big ass white van driving
Speaker 2: was an absolute real for me. And like we were
Speaker 2: so like it was such a nice band that back
Speaker 2: in the day we had like a six disc CD
Speaker 2: changer attached to the sound system, including the speakers in
Speaker 2: the back. So I was like I had like Lincoln Parks,
Speaker 2: Hybrid Theory, God Smack Fungus among us, by Inky of this,
Speaker 2: those those three see those three albums are still every
Speaker 2: time I iconic, Iconic, those they always bring me back.
Speaker 2: And so that that as a fall was coming in.
Speaker 2: My dad was like, hey, you know, I think, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, you've played a lot of great golf. You know,
Speaker 2: it's about to get cold, you know, and by cold
Speaker 2: if like fifty degrees as a high in San Jose
Speaker 2: where I grew up, like I could play three sixty five.
Speaker 2: And so he was like, I have an idea, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, again, I'm a stupid kid, like
Speaker 2: I'm just like okay, like you know, and obviously being
Speaker 2: daddy's little girl, I was always like okay, Daddy, like basically,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever you want, like even though we're going
Speaker 2: to fight about it, because I'm just you know, combative
Speaker 2: like that when I was young, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if those hormones or some shit. I was like, well,
Speaker 2: we'll pretty much end up doing whatever you wanted. And
Speaker 2: he was like, I think we should go and try
Speaker 2: and play as many of the golf courses because remember
Speaker 2: you were rookie, so you're coming into these tournaments with
Speaker 2: a lot less experience on these golf courses. And I'm
Speaker 2: like okay. So he's like, so I called up. We're
Speaker 2: going to go play over in California, like two or
Speaker 2: three courses. We're going to go play in Arizona. And
Speaker 2: I'm like okay, cool, Like West Coast Wing like, that's
Speaker 2: that's cool, you know, and we at twenty one golf
Speaker 2: courses we played in. It was something like in a
Speaker 2: month or in like forty days or something like that.
Speaker 2: It was so long ago, I honestly don't remember. And
Speaker 2: so we drove and I remember I think it was
Speaker 2: November of that year, because we must have started in
Speaker 2: like September or late September or sometime in October. I
Speaker 2: was playing at Waikogyo Country Club in Westchester, New York.
Speaker 2: I was the only person on the golf course because
Speaker 2: there was like an inch and a half of snow
Speaker 2: on the ground, and they let me play for some
Speaker 2: ungodly reason. And I was just like, They're like, do
Speaker 2: you want to use a yellow golf ball suit? You
Speaker 2: can see it. I'm like, no, it's fine, I'll just
Speaker 2: keep it in the fairway. And then I'd be like,
Speaker 2: so let me know where is the fairway so I
Speaker 2: can keep it within it. But yeah, I played, like
Speaker 2: went to Ohio, played at Tartan Field over in Land.
Speaker 2: Like just like I just you.
Speaker 1: You were on a mission. You guys were just going.
Speaker 1: Was there any stops? Did you do have any any
Speaker 1: cool like did you sight see at all on the
Speaker 1: on this on this drive around the country.
Speaker 2: What the hell was there the fight? See, like I
Speaker 2: saw like the Hoover Dam when we drove by it,
Speaker 2: like I did for like and and again. Like back
Speaker 2: in the day, I mean, growing up in California, You've
Speaker 2: got you know, the the beautiful beaches of California. You've
Speaker 2: got those you know, wonderful like cliffs and amazing you know,
Speaker 2: rugged terrain and.
Speaker 1: Things like that.
Speaker 2: In the seaside, you've got Yosemite National Park, You've got
Speaker 2: Death Valley. Like for me, I'm just like it's I'm
Speaker 2: like I want and again, I mean, I was just like,
Speaker 2: I won't play golf like I.
Speaker 1: You were stop you are stopping to see Abraham Lincoln's
Speaker 1: house in Strainfield.
Speaker 2: No we did not. Actually, I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 2: did not think. I didn't think about that like I
Speaker 2: you know, back in those days, just like in many
Speaker 2: ways I am today. I was so golf up, sess.
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, we get to pulling more
Speaker 2: golf and I'm like, ooh, I get to see a
Speaker 2: new golf course. My Dad's like, well, you're technically providing
Speaker 2: yourself with an opportunity to get a practice round in
Speaker 2: and I'm like, there's eighteen ten back seven eighteen green,
Speaker 2: Like I was just like, you know, I just probably
Speaker 2: one reason why I still play twenty seven holds a
Speaker 2: day out here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's good. So, I you you were obviously
Speaker 1: very you were like a phena when you're coming out
Speaker 1: and you had a ton of success. How hard was
Speaker 1: it dealing with like, you know, you became like a
Speaker 1: celebrity when you're essentially like twenty eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one years old? Was that hard? Like I can imagine
Speaker 1: my twenty one year your old self dealing with something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I think again, because I was again so so stupid.
Speaker 2: I was so I was so I was so young
Speaker 2: and so naive like and at the same time when
Speaker 2: you're in like like I'll say, like you know, if
Speaker 2: I if I like taking an example, if you're ten
Speaker 2: years old, one day in a ten year old's life
Speaker 2: is such a greater percent of your entire life than
Speaker 2: a day in the life of someone that's eighty years old,
Speaker 2: you know. So for me knowing you know, what took
Speaker 2: place in the past, Like I sit there and I'm
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I can sit here and say, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was stupid, Like, you know, I'm still stupid, but
Speaker 2: it's I am aware that I'm stupid now. I was
Speaker 2: just oblivious back then. But I think that a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, it was. It's hard to compare yourself
Speaker 2: to anything other than what you are because it's all
Speaker 2: you know. And so at the time, I didn't see
Speaker 2: myself as like a celebrity. I still think it's weird
Speaker 2: that people would consider me one at all. At any
Speaker 2: point in my life, I'm like, dude, I'm just some dude.
Speaker 2: Like just give me a golf club and let me
Speaker 2: just go swing and like make putts and like have
Speaker 2: fun and things like that, you know, like I never
Speaker 2: really thought, you know. And again, to an extent, it's
Speaker 2: the very nature of being a golfer. You have to
Speaker 2: be able to be selfish when you need to. Like
Speaker 2: I I'm very compassionate, I'm very empathetic. I care a
Speaker 2: lot about people, care about you know, the few friends
Speaker 2: I have, they are like my bloodline, and I would,
Speaker 2: you know, die for them pretty much anybody that I know.
Speaker 2: If they called me and said, dude, I've been like
Speaker 2: hauled into jail, can you come in and bail me out,
Speaker 2: you know, depending on what the charges are, Like absolutely doesn't,
Speaker 2: you know. But you know, at at then I was
Speaker 2: able to be selfish enough to not think about what
Speaker 2: other people were doing because everyone's like, you're so different,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm just some dude, Like I don't
Speaker 2: understand what you mean. Like, you know, whenever, if I
Speaker 2: were to come into a room and have everybody laughing,
Speaker 2: I'm like, everybody's laughing, So why are you making it
Speaker 2: seem like I'm any different from anyone else. We're all
Speaker 2: just having a good time. So that's where I think
Speaker 2: some of the oblivion is. But I don't know. I'm again,
Speaker 2: to this day, I'm just some dudes.
Speaker 1: Like it's refreshing, you know. That's you have. You have
Speaker 1: throughout your career, always been very you know yourself and
Speaker 1: you do things your way do You've had your own stuff,
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's something that's admirable because in
Speaker 1: our society, and especially I feel like in professional sports,
Speaker 1: there's there's almost a pressure to conform because people this
Speaker 1: is the way it is, and this is the way
Speaker 1: people act, and people that do things differently sometimes have
Speaker 1: to face pressure to do to conform to what the
Speaker 1: way it's always been, especially in a sport like golf.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I've been given a couple of requests
Speaker 2: to conform at certain times in my life. Like I remember,
Speaker 2: I think it was maybe two thousand and four, so
Speaker 2: it was my second year on tour. Because growing up,
Speaker 2: I mean, I colored my hair by myself, on my
Speaker 2: own all the time. Like I've had my hair every
Speaker 2: length I've had. You know, I had like super short
Speaker 2: hair that I would spike up and you know, dye
Speaker 2: every color of the rainbow. I have like a cheet
Speaker 2: of print going on when I was thirteen or something
Speaker 2: that you know, it wasn't I wouldn't say it was
Speaker 2: a mistake, but it was a look. And you know
Speaker 2: I remember I was like, no, I'm done my hair.
Speaker 2: We were in Phoenix and I went dyed my hair
Speaker 2: and I was like, all right, like this is like
Speaker 2: a vibrant red, like dude, let's go after I after
Speaker 2: I washed it out, I was like, huh, do you
Speaker 2: remember the Britney Spears music video for the song Toxic.
Speaker 1: I I doubt my wife would definitely remember it. I
Speaker 1: you know, my wife's a huge Britney spears fand but
Speaker 1: I have to say that I didn't see the toxic
Speaker 1: music video.
Speaker 6: Okay, then it was stop light red at not at
Speaker 6: at two o'clock in the morning, it was it was
Speaker 6: neon red, like it was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't neon, but it was the most vibrant red
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. And my dad lost his damn mind.
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna lie, like completely completely justified because
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, this is a little bit. I
Speaker 2: was expecting a slightly deeper when I put this on,
Speaker 2: so yeah, and he was like, you have to change
Speaker 2: your hair right now, and I was like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna lie. This is maybe a little too bright
Speaker 2: even for me. But like growing up, like you know,
Speaker 2: the the Korean media, they you know, some of them
Speaker 2: found me very very very polarizing, and they had such
Speaker 2: a head start on the whole not reporting the news
Speaker 2: when you're supposed to be reporting the news thing. It
Speaker 2: was very very much like, hey, you know, we're gonna like,
Speaker 2: instead of taking in facts, We're just going to do
Speaker 2: an entire newspaper based on op eds because people apparently
Speaker 2: think that my opinion matters and that I'm going to
Speaker 2: educate you based off of what my opinion is, whereas
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here and like where's like I need tom brocall,
Speaker 2: like just tell me what's going on so I can
Speaker 2: come to my own conclusion and not be hold what
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to think. Allow me to make my own decision.
Speaker 2: And so there were, you know, there were a couple
Speaker 2: of opportunities where I was told, if you're willing to,
Speaker 2: you know, chill the hell out a little bit, like
Speaker 2: you know, we can talk about sponsorships or if you
Speaker 2: wanted to, you know, grow your Korean fan base, then
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna have to, you know, like and
Speaker 2: this was like you know, maybe during a skinny year,
Speaker 2: they'd be like maybe you know, like put on some
Speaker 2: more clues or you know, do whatever. And I'm just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to be friends with
Speaker 2: someone that I later found out wasn't being themselves. So
Speaker 2: why would I want someone to be my friend based
Speaker 2: off me not being myself? That's that's bullshit. Like oh
Speaker 2: so I was like okay, bye. So I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess I've been presented with a couple of opportunities, but
Speaker 2: I don't think there's we only get this one life
Speaker 2: in which none of us actually asked for. We just
Speaker 2: kind of happened, you know, as a result of you know,
Speaker 2: certain actions that were taken prior to us coming to earth.
Speaker 2: But you know, we're only given this one life as
Speaker 2: far as we're aware, So why wouldn't to want to
Speaker 2: live it to the fullest. And by the fullest, I
Speaker 2: mean live your own truth, like let be you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And and there's there are plenty of people who their
Speaker 2: authentic self is being more you know, conservative or more
Speaker 2: toned down or whatever that is. And as long as
Speaker 2: they're living their truth, I'm like, dude, more power to you.
Speaker 2: Like that is so strong, Like I think that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Like I love the fact that you're living you. And
Speaker 2: if someone were saying, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: be who I am anymore because I you know, I've
Speaker 2: lived my whole life being like this and now I
Speaker 2: want to be like who I really am that I
Speaker 2: sit there and I'm like, you know, like a friend
Speaker 2: came out to me a little over a year ago,
Speaker 2: and I mean I cried when he when he told me,
Speaker 2: because I was like, you were the bravest human being
Speaker 2: because I would not be strong enough to be anything
Speaker 2: other than who I am and to be here to
Speaker 2: this day and you've lived almost thirty years not being
Speaker 2: who you wanted to be, Like you are the strongest
Speaker 2: person that I've ever met. Like this is just incredible.
Speaker 2: And so it was like, you know, obviously a huge
Speaker 2: celebration because it was like you're living your truth, Like
Speaker 2: that is that is you know when for me, I
Speaker 2: think because all I've ever known is just being who
Speaker 2: I am. But when you go from being able to
Speaker 2: finally live who you are, I think that is just
Speaker 2: that is so remarkable because it's different from what I've done,
Speaker 2: and it shows how strong you are to be able
Speaker 2: to make it this far and contain yourself. That shows
Speaker 2: incredible strength, I think in many ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's there's like kind of it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of on both sides. Like being very very much
Speaker 1: yourself all the time is one aspect of strength, and
Speaker 1: then somebody that has to for a lot, for fear
Speaker 1: of many different reasons, having to be somebody else that
Speaker 1: they aren't. They're they're different, but they're a lot similar
Speaker 1: in the same in the sense of like you have
Speaker 1: to be very strong. It's I think being yourself is
Speaker 1: like probably one of the best pieces of simple piece
Speaker 1: of advice. If you're just yourself all the time, you're
Speaker 1: probably very rarely going to get yourself in trouble, you.
Speaker 2: Know that being said, I think that I I consider
Speaker 2: me only knowing who I am and being myself is
Speaker 2: very I was just me being lazy. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think sometimes being yourself is harder
Speaker 1: than me into conforming is the easy So it's the
Speaker 1: easy way out. You know, if if you look at oh,
Speaker 1: well they did it this way, I'm going to do
Speaker 1: it that way. It's sometimes it can be the easy
Speaker 1: way out. Talk. You were a rookie with loreno Show,
Speaker 1: and I feel like because loreno o'showa came before like
Speaker 1: the era of social media. And you know, if she
Speaker 1: had come ten years later, it would be like people
Speaker 1: just be crazy about how good was Loreino Show. Like
Speaker 1: put it in perspective somebody that competed against her for
Speaker 1: you know a number of years.
Speaker 2: I would say, in god like Lorena would be like
Speaker 2: the lady version of Sevy Jack and Tiger. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: she had the most unbelievable hands. She could hit the
Speaker 2: ball in absolute mile and toss Arnie in there too,
Speaker 2: because she was just she was the most gracious human
Speaker 2: being I've ever met. She And I mean I've been
Speaker 2: saying this for almost twenty years, like she should be canonized,
Speaker 2: like one hundred and fifty years from now, there will
Speaker 2: be like a Frank Lorena. And she just had this
Speaker 2: unbelievable imagination, this incredible strength, a fearlessness, determination, fire, compassion.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just some of the shots she
Speaker 2: hit were just unbelievable and then at the feat time
Speaker 2: so profoundly human. Because when Birdie Kim won the US
Speaker 2: Women's Open when we were at was at Cherry Hills,
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, so that must have been oh
Speaker 2: five or oh six, oh five, oh five, Yes, I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure Lorena hit two or three balls into the
Speaker 2: water on the seventy second hole, and it was like,
Speaker 2: but don't dun't drop kick, but don't dunk drop kick,
Speaker 2: but don dunk drop kick, And she wanted that her
Speaker 2: first major so so badly, and it in so many ways.
Speaker 2: You could see something like that and think that it
Speaker 2: would completely it has. It definitely has the ability if
Speaker 2: you allow it to completely destroy you as a golfer
Speaker 2: and the fact that she was able to rise above
Speaker 2: that become number one in the world, and you know,
Speaker 2: she was the fastest to get, in essence, qualified for
Speaker 2: the LPGA Hall of Fame. The only reason why she's
Speaker 2: not on the LPGA Hall of Fame is because she
Speaker 2: did not finish one requirement, which was stay on tour
Speaker 2: for ten consecutive years. She didn't need to, yeah, but
Speaker 2: that was the one stipulation she needed in order to
Speaker 2: qualify for the LPGA Golf Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Ten consecutive years, ten consecutive years.
Speaker 2: She last she played eight and she was like, Boom,
Speaker 2: I'm in love, Boom, I want to get married, Boom,
Speaker 2: I want to make babies. And she's got I think
Speaker 2: it's I think she's got three of the most gorgeous
Speaker 2: children that I've ever seen. But like, one thing that
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know about her is she
Speaker 2: would you know, because she hails from Mexico, born and
Speaker 2: raised in Guadalajara, and almost every week she would go
Speaker 2: visit with the superintendents, the greens keepers, the grounds crew,
Speaker 2: and she would talk to them, you know, because a
Speaker 2: lot of them, you know, especially here in America were
Speaker 2: are you know, Mexican and descent, and she wanted to
Speaker 2: go in and connect with them, and she had this
Speaker 2: it was like when you go to Mexico and play
Speaker 2: in a tournament with Lorena and I've been fortunate enough
Speaker 2: to be paired with Lorena, it's it's it's not comical
Speaker 2: because it is completely they're they're completely founded in the
Speaker 2: reasoning of like you're there, it's like twenty deep on
Speaker 2: every single hole, and the crowd just get bigger and
Speaker 2: bigger and bigger. You've got mothers hanging at the ropes
Speaker 2: holding their children up in the hopes that Lorena would
Speaker 2: touch the babies. You have people of all ages. She
Speaker 2: she transcended golf and she she's I mean, I get
Speaker 2: chills just talking about her, Like she is the most
Speaker 2: the most remarkable person on the planet and so funny,
Speaker 2: so quick witted, like just everything about her is just remarkable.
Speaker 2: And it was, it was, it was It showed how
Speaker 2: strong she was that she allowed her desire to want
Speaker 2: to get married and start a family and not have
Speaker 2: her family have to travel on the road with her,
Speaker 2: that she was willing to give up and sacrifice potentially
Speaker 2: one of the greatest careers that we will ever have
Speaker 2: seen in the history of golf.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty seven wins in seven seasons. I mean she
Speaker 1: made four point four million dollars in a year of
Speaker 1: the LPGA.
Speaker 2: In a year back in the early twenty twenty and
Speaker 2: twenty tens. It's a million. And another thing about that
Speaker 2: is every cent that she made on the golf course
Speaker 2: she donated to her charity or to her foundation. Really
Speaker 2: every CeNSE she made on the golf course went directly
Speaker 2: to her foundation. Like there's no one, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: would ever compete male or female for the entire completely,
Speaker 2: whole rounded goodness that Lorena embodies, not a single human
Speaker 2: on this planet.
Speaker 1: How is her game compared to Anika?
Speaker 2: So Lorena that she she has the she has that flare,
Speaker 2: she has that that that that that that fieriness, she
Speaker 2: has the you know la pasione if you will. That's
Speaker 2: why I say there's a lot of stevy in her.
Speaker 2: She's not remarkable imagination and she has just you know,
Speaker 2: like she goes for broke as well a lot of
Speaker 2: the time, Like she will hit those shots where you're.
Speaker 1: Like she's going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. But that's not that's the right
Speaker 2: thing to do. That's not that's not that I did
Speaker 2: that every single day. That's not the right thing to do.
Speaker 2: It's the only thing you should be doing. But no,
Speaker 2: she'll she'll sit there and she will go after a
Speaker 2: pin and then will let's say, if she gets the
Speaker 2: bad balance or something happens, or she you know, overhits
Speaker 2: it a little bit, she will short fight herself and
Speaker 2: have seven feet from the fringe to the flag nine
Speaker 2: ten feet above her head and have a nineteen yard
Speaker 2: uh pitched because it'll run down the hill. And she's like,
Speaker 2: instead of just being like, Okay, you know what, I
Speaker 2: messed up this shot, I'm just gonna, you know, make
Speaker 2: sure that I hit it out there and try and
Speaker 2: see if I can make a twenty footer, She's like, nah,
Speaker 2: there's seven feet from the fringe to the flag of
Speaker 2: plenty of room. I'm going to do this and she
Speaker 2: and she would do it the vast majority of the time.
Speaker 2: Whereas onica as I've gotten older, I started to realize
Speaker 2: just how important boring ass golf could be. And I
Speaker 2: say that as a person that for the majority of
Speaker 2: my career could not do boring. I was paired with
Speaker 2: Onnica in her final victory in Kingsmill, Virginia. I forget
Speaker 2: what year it was. Maybe it was twenty ten, eleven
Speaker 2: or twelve. I don't remember what year it was, maybe thirteen.
Speaker 2: And I mean I was, you know, doing my thing,
Speaker 2: because you know, the best thing to do when you're
Speaker 2: playing golf is let alone. Life is just be yourself.
Speaker 2: If you're chatty, go ahead and talk. Just don't do
Speaker 2: it when other people are hitting, you know, just be
Speaker 2: be conscientious and be aware and be respectful of other people,
Speaker 2: you know, or you know, if you have to do something,
Speaker 2: keep yourself occupied anyway, do that, you know. And so
Speaker 2: I was just doing the thing, and I was chatting
Speaker 2: with my caddie, you know, having a really good day.
Speaker 2: I started the day a few strokes back of her,
Speaker 2: and we're on the fifteenth hole at the river course
Speaker 2: in uh sixteen, excuse me, sixteen at kings at the
Speaker 2: kings Mill Resort. I look at the leaderboard. Then's something
Speaker 2: albsurd like. I don't remember if it was like twenty
Speaker 2: one sixteen, or it might have been twenty four seventeen
Speaker 2: or something like that, and I'm like, I'm playing some
Speaker 2: really good golf. And so I look at Anaka and
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're waiting on the green. I yell at her.
Speaker 2: I'm like hey, Anka, She's like, yeah, what's going on.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you only have a few strokes ahead of
Speaker 2: me at the beginning of the round, right, She's like yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm playing really well today. I thought. She's like, no,
Speaker 2: you're playing great year as you. And I'm like five
Speaker 2: under on the day and I'm like, are you seven under?
Speaker 2: And she's like yeah. I'm like I'm so sorry, but
Speaker 2: how And she's like, well, I mean, just you hit
Speaker 2: every faraway, you hit every green, you hit every put
Speaker 2: that in theory you should make. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty feet and inside then you know you're seven under.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's just like who under the radar?
Speaker 2: Like it was not and it's not to be said
Speaker 2: in any way disparaging or a criticism whatsoever, but it
Speaker 2: was just her golf was so simple.
Speaker 1: That might be like the best compliment though for a
Speaker 1: golfer is to say you make it look just so easy.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, but you don't.
Speaker 2: But it's like it's not even that it's easy. You're
Speaker 2: just looking You're just like, I don't even like I
Speaker 2: thought you were even on the day. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: understand this, like and you know, she just kind of
Speaker 2: smirked and was like, yeah, yeah that's right. I'm like
Speaker 2: five or seven shots ahead of you, and I'm like, po,
Speaker 2: story bro, Like that's really cool. And then that I
Speaker 2: was able to be there and walk up the seventy
Speaker 2: second hole with her for her final victory is it's
Speaker 2: something that I am. I do cherish because it was
Speaker 2: a very very very cool thing. But yeah, it's there that,
Speaker 2: in a nutshell, would be the difference between the two,
Speaker 2: the big nutshell obviously.
Speaker 1: So so this year, you you started off hot, you're
Speaker 1: playing great, and then we just have this layout. Are
Speaker 1: you what what changed? What did you change something going
Speaker 1: into this year?
Speaker 2: A lot of it is perspective. Been working on my
Speaker 2: game really hard, you know, sending videos, working on you know,
Speaker 2: just working on different angles, like realizing that, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: do you checking winging it in your back swing? It's
Speaker 2: kind of hard to you know, come in with you know,
Speaker 2: without a shut face at impact and things like that,
Speaker 2: you know, just really just sort of narrowing my focus
Speaker 2: a little bit more and coming to the realization that
Speaker 2: like I'm you know, it's not I don't work with
Speaker 2: any of the guys out here like you know, but
Speaker 2: I've got a bunch of friends that I play with
Speaker 2: that they're just like, I'm doing this, and I'm just like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: if you're doing this, have you ever thought that it
Speaker 2: could be a result of you doing this? And so
Speaker 2: it's like sometimes just finding out where the cause of
Speaker 2: a problem really stems from. And you know, it's just
Speaker 2: been working on my game really hard, and you know, obviously,
Speaker 2: I mean it's I don't see it, but there's clearly
Speaker 2: an elephant in the room. And I've like I've dropped
Speaker 2: like a little over fifty pounds at this point. You know,
Speaker 2: I wasn't on this like quest to lose weight and
Speaker 2: be sexy or prettier any of that shit. Like I
Speaker 2: just wanted to stop consuming as much sugar and as
Speaker 2: many carbs as I have been and started living the
Speaker 2: keto lifestyle because I hate the word diet like.
Speaker 1: It keto is it no sugar, no carbs.
Speaker 2: So it's it's so as a human being, generally, you
Speaker 2: consume carbohydrates. This is how you know, for the most part,
Speaker 2: is how we're designed to consume carbohydrates in whatever form,
Speaker 2: whether it's through foods, fruits, vegetables, you know, if you
Speaker 2: want you breads, rice, things like that, and then your
Speaker 2: body will consume them and then all that magical chemistry
Speaker 2: that we have going on in ways that we can't
Speaker 2: even see, your carbohydrates get converted into energy, and then
Speaker 2: that energy is what sustains you and keeps you alive,
Speaker 2: keeps you moving. And so the keto lifestyle, the ketogenic diet,
Speaker 2: which was I think it was founded in like the
Speaker 2: twenties or the forties to actually help combat seizures and
Speaker 2: epilepsy in a lot of children and adults. It was
Speaker 2: one of those like, you know, you just kind of
Speaker 2: just throw this in the tank, see what happens kind
Speaker 2: of thing, and they came to find out that, you know,
Speaker 2: there were several cases of children with really severe epilepsy
Speaker 2: where the epilepsy had greatly been reduced. And this version
Speaker 2: is so you basically remove a vast majority of the
Speaker 2: carbohydrates that your body is processing, and you instead replenish
Speaker 2: the the source that you need to convert into energy
Speaker 2: from carbohydrates into fat and what I mean fats, I
Speaker 2: mean like like avocados, olive oils, olives, nuts, like this
Speaker 2: is a This was a kicker for me because I
Speaker 2: love a good RIBI so like, you know, good fatty
Speaker 2: cuts of meat. You don't have to sit there and
Speaker 2: be like, I'll have filet mignon like once every month
Speaker 2: or something like that, like salmon, mackerel, things like that.
Speaker 2: Eggs are great for it. And so for me, it's
Speaker 2: I and I'm not obsessive about it. I don't do
Speaker 2: the actual numbers, but I am. I've gotten to a
Speaker 2: point where I, for the most part, know which foods
Speaker 2: I like which foods I don't. So you know, I
Speaker 2: try and keep my car count under thirty gram's net,
Speaker 2: which for me is really hard to reach because that's
Speaker 2: a lot. That's a lot of car excuse me, a
Speaker 2: lot of carbs.
Speaker 4: To me.
Speaker 1: You could come hang out, Come hang out with me,
Speaker 1: and you'll see how you can get the thirty carbs.
Speaker 2: Oh go, I'm sure there was a time when I
Speaker 2: would eat three hundred grams. Like it's just my taste
Speaker 2: buzzs have changed. That's that's the big thing. Like I
Speaker 2: because I used to be a sugar monster. I would,
Speaker 2: you know, every time I go to the grocery store,
Speaker 2: like I'd be like, yeah, I might have a Snickers today,
Speaker 2: or you know, I'd be like, ah, you know what,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll have a sun kissed or something like that,
Speaker 2: you know, non spawn obviously, and like nowadays, like I
Speaker 2: sit there and I'm just like, if I have strawberries
Speaker 2: that are like not fully ripe, there's still just a
Speaker 2: bit of green or white at the top of the strawberry,
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's so sweet. Like I don't, I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't do it now, Like I crave fat, like
Speaker 2: I love avocado, I love like good cheeses, meats, things
Speaker 2: like that. So for me, it's about seventy percent of
Speaker 2: my daily consumption. I try and keep in in terms
Speaker 2: of fats of some sort, and then about twenty percent
Speaker 2: I do protein now, whether that's you know, like mackerel, salmon, beef,
Speaker 2: dark meat, chicken, things like that. And then the remaining
Speaker 2: ten percent I do with carbs, whether that's you know,
Speaker 2: like cauliflower, Spinach is like my jam, So I'll have
Speaker 2: spinach all the time, cauliflower, like I said, broccoli, green beans.
Speaker 2: I also really started getting into dehydrating food because of
Speaker 2: this current situation in which we are living. I was
Speaker 2: a lot of people were terrified of toilet paper. I
Speaker 2: was terrified at the prospect of not being able to
Speaker 2: get like nutritious food. So I've been like taking zucchinis
Speaker 2: and like dice, slicing them in a mandolin, sprinkling them
Speaker 2: with like tomato powder, bas regano, salt, pepper, some sprinkle,
Speaker 2: some truffle on a little bit of olive oil, parmesan cheese,
Speaker 2: and I've got these like pizza flavored zucchini chips, so
Speaker 2: like I been doing that. Just did some radish chip.
Speaker 1: The other day because too, oh yeah, I have.
Speaker 2: And that's like obviously right now, since I'm not on
Speaker 2: tour and I've got my own golf cart, i have
Speaker 2: like a massive, like legit, massive Trader Joe sized bag
Speaker 2: with like I've got like mushroom chips, I've got macadamia nuts,
Speaker 2: I've got these Marcona almonds in there. I've got jerky
Speaker 2: up the wazoo. Trying to think I've got so much
Speaker 2: crap in on me at all times, it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's comical. But I mean, I I freaking
Speaker 2: love eating dude like that. That's one thing that I've
Speaker 2: been really happy about all of this is even though
Speaker 2: you know, I've been able to lose some weight, like
Speaker 2: I don't feel I never feel like hungry. I always
Speaker 2: feel satisfied, like I'm always I'm always if I need
Speaker 2: to nibble on something, I nibble on something. So it's
Speaker 2: been super cool and like my I feel like my
Speaker 2: mental clarity has gone up, which I think has been
Speaker 2: a big part of One reason why I played well
Speaker 2: in Australia was because you know, I could think, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if old me would have just been like, oh,
Speaker 2: just hit it down the ride on seventeen. It's wider,
Speaker 2: it's lazy. I can do that, whereas like right, you know,
Speaker 2: like when I played it, I was like, there's that
Speaker 2: should all be like chest high grass. Why is there
Speaker 2: even fairway over there? I don't understand why they even
Speaker 2: bother putting a fairway over there. This is the only
Speaker 2: place you should be. This is this is the only
Speaker 2: thing that matters here, you know. And and so you know,
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, obviously I'm lighter. I guess I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I always joke that I have
Speaker 2: like shallow house syndrome, or you know I have I
Speaker 2: used to always have like body image dysmorphia. But in
Speaker 2: the opposite way where I was always i'd look in
Speaker 2: the mirror and I'd be like, you got a good
Speaker 2: heart because I look down.
Speaker 1: You know, American society is way too obsessed with, you know,
Speaker 1: exterior images versus the interior. So that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know plenty of people that look like nine
Speaker 2: that I'm like, no, dude, you're if you're in a
Speaker 2: good mood, you're about a five.
Speaker 1: Because so a couple of our questions before you know,
Speaker 1: you've been uh been more than grace and we're flying
Speaker 1: through time here, what uh you've played? Lpg A and
Speaker 1: l e T, both of them, compare Compare the two.
Speaker 1: What's what's the experience? Are they Are they similar? What's
Speaker 1: the you know, the key things of each tour.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie in. In many ways I think
Speaker 2: that the l e T the Ladies European Tour, there
Speaker 2: is a bit more of a sense of camaraderie and family.
Speaker 2: The LPGA fields a little bit more like a business.
Speaker 2: And neither of those things are a criticism whatsoever. I
Speaker 2: think that, you know, and and I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe just because at times, financially speaking, people
Speaker 2: would compare the Ladies European Tour to the Semetra Tour,
Speaker 2: which for me I was I was always just agast
Speaker 2: at the concept of it because I did play on
Speaker 2: the Futures Tour obviously this was back in the Mesozoic era,
Speaker 2: and have played on the Ladies' European Tour, and there's
Speaker 2: there's so many stark differences, Like you get girls that
Speaker 2: are so passionate about golf, like Megan McLaren is. You know,
Speaker 2: she's one of my girls, and I think she is
Speaker 2: just so remarkable. She's on this not war path, but
Speaker 2: she is. She's determined for people to understand the concept of, hey,
Speaker 2: maybe women could be compensated, you know, period. And you
Speaker 2: know you've got some you know, you've got some great
Speaker 2: talents on the on the Ladies European Tour, and it's
Speaker 2: just a little bit sad. There were some things that
Speaker 2: took place within the infrastructure of the Ladies' European Tour
Speaker 2: a number of years ago that had that combined with
Speaker 2: like economic crises around Europe, and around the globe kind
Speaker 2: of stunted the growth in which they were supposed to
Speaker 2: be trajector the trajectory was supposed to be on because
Speaker 2: like when I when I was a member of the
Speaker 2: Ladies's European Tour, I would play eleven events a year
Speaker 2: and keep a full schedule on the LPGA, like again,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I'm going back to Florida, Like at
Speaker 2: least now I have friends, so I have people that
Speaker 2: I want to hang out with. But I would be like,
Speaker 2: you want me on the road forty five weeks by
Speaker 2: the year, right, let's do it. And so there are
Speaker 2: a number of things that took place at that kind
Speaker 2: of negatively impacted the Ladies' European Tour. But it's fun.
Speaker 2: The girls are so they're so smart, they're so funny,
Speaker 2: they're so vibrant. I feel like some the girls on
Speaker 2: the Ladies that I feel like you.
Speaker 8: Have more bombers on the Ladies European Tour than you
Speaker 8: do on the LPGA, like consistently, consistently, and like obviously
Speaker 8: the golf is different, you know, like we on the
Speaker 8: Lazierpean Tour, You're not necessarily.
Speaker 2: Always going to play a you know, perfectly manicured, like
Speaker 2: you can see the fairway cut down as if it was,
Speaker 2: you know, sliced with a blade, this and that with
Speaker 2: our you know, greens rolling out of thirteen blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah whatever. Like I sit there and I'm
Speaker 2: just like, dude, this is like you might say rustic,
Speaker 2: you might say rugged, but this is golf, Like, this
Speaker 2: is a different style of golf. Like. That's one reason
Speaker 2: why the Loop is one of my favorite courses on
Speaker 2: the planet, because it is just it's just it's natural,
Speaker 2: it's real, it's authentic, and it's i mean, it's fescue,
Speaker 2: so I'm obviously going to love it immediately, but it's
Speaker 2: there's there's something just really, I don't know, it tugs
Speaker 2: more at my heart strings on the Ladies European Tour,
Speaker 2: whereas I feel like it's a little bit more business
Speaker 2: like on the LPGA. And neither again, neither of those
Speaker 2: is better than the other. They're just completely different in
Speaker 2: terms of entities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I imagine some of that comes with per size,
Speaker 1: you know, when when there's more money at stake, that
Speaker 1: becomes more business like. It's it's one of the tough things.
Speaker 1: Is that like maintaining culture as a business grows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense.
Speaker 2: America doesn't really have culture compared to places like Europe,
Speaker 2: compared to places like Asia. Like what what is American culture?
Speaker 2: It's so big, like that word can be so so
Speaker 2: vastly different in definition from one street corner to another.
Speaker 1: You know it could be. Yeah, I mean you can
Speaker 1: look at all all over the country and you can
Speaker 1: see there's drastically different cultures right now, given you know circumstances,
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a fascinating aspect of it. That
Speaker 1: that makes sense. The culture is a big aspect of
Speaker 1: the Ladies European Tour probably being that way.
Speaker 2: Iy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we talked about how the LPGA has changed.
Speaker 1: What would you like to see happen in the next
Speaker 1: five years? If you if there is one thing that
Speaker 1: you'd like to see kind of rise a change rise
Speaker 1: in the next five.
Speaker 2: Years, what would be I mean, obviously I'm not necessarily
Speaker 2: for selfish reasons at all, but just because in theory,
Speaker 2: I believe it would be the quote unquote right thing
Speaker 2: to do. Person increases because that means that the LPGA
Speaker 2: is being and just women's golf in general around the globe.
Speaker 2: Just the recognition of the fact that we are the
Speaker 2: best female golfers in the world. And you know, there's
Speaker 2: there's something to be said about the entertainment factor of
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour where you know, like Lebron who can
Speaker 2: dunk like you know, like like Niggi Cabrero can hit
Speaker 2: home runs, like Aaron Rodgers who can throw a hail
Speaker 2: Mary on a dime. There is something to be said
Speaker 2: about Brooks Koepka who can vomit. You know, you got
Speaker 2: Cameron Champ who is just obscenely long. Yeah, Like these
Speaker 2: are basically inhuman things that I think that's maybe one
Speaker 2: of the reasons why the numbers in the ratings get
Speaker 2: so big is because it's something that is in essence unattainable.
Speaker 2: Whereas the women we provide a very unique product because
Speaker 2: compare it to ninety percent of the average golfers, you know,
Speaker 2: average good it's it's relatable.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't under just don't.
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Like the thing I think too is like the I mean,
Speaker 1: the architecture is so much more like important for you
Speaker 1: guys too.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's like, yes, they're the fairly bunker, Like, no,
Speaker 2: we can't just bomb it over it. So, yeah, we
Speaker 2: actually have to know where it is. It's not going
Speaker 2: to be someone who's like, hey, you know Caddy sitting there.
Speaker 2: Like there's a story of one one Tour player years ago.
Speaker 2: It was like miss Caddy started working for him for
Speaker 2: the first week and I was like, okay, well you've
Speaker 2: got a bunker at and you like stopped them. Was like, mate,
Speaker 2: real quick, if it's less than three hundred yards in
Speaker 2: the air, I don't need to know about it.
Speaker 1: I mean cool, and like if you hit it in
Speaker 1: the rough, like it matters versus like you see these
Speaker 1: guys now that it's just like, oh, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to hit a wedge straight up in the air and
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that I'm in the rough. It's still
Speaker 1: going to stop the same way it's there's there's intent.
Speaker 1: It's much more of a thoughtful game. It's less of
Speaker 1: a power game, more of a thoughtful game for sure.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, it's more of a complete game. And
Speaker 2: not not that there's any anything really incomplete about what's
Speaker 2: going on on the Men's Tour. It's just with the
Speaker 2: way technology has gone, there's one thing to be said
Speaker 2: about the artistry of ball striking when you can have
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and forty mile an hour ball
Speaker 2: speed with a seven iron or whatever, you know, like
Speaker 2: as opposed to just really having the nests. And you know,
Speaker 2: again when it comes to that entertainment factor, you know
Speaker 2: the fact that the PGA Tour has the same sand
Speaker 2: every single week, like sand from the same manufacturer, brought
Speaker 2: to every golf course a certain amount of time prior
Speaker 2: to a tournament taking place. Like I'll sit there and
Speaker 2: I'll be like, I don't know if the sand is
Speaker 2: the same on this side of the bunker versus that
Speaker 2: side of the bunker like eight feet away, because Heaven forbid,
Speaker 2: a bunker used to be deemed an actual hazard, you know,
Speaker 2: so there is, you know, I mean, and like on tour,
Speaker 2: I never sit there rarely. I mean, there might be
Speaker 2: some times when I'm like, get in the bunker, you
Speaker 2: know if the rough is nine inches deep, Whereas you know,
Speaker 2: the guys are always like getting the bunker, getting the
Speaker 2: bunker's missing the green getting the bunker, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: why would you wanted to get in the bunker. You're
Speaker 2: supposed to stay on the grass. I don't.
Speaker 1: One of my one of my things I hope is
Speaker 1: that golf comes back during this the virus soon sooner
Speaker 1: than later, obviously, you know, as soon as it's safe,
Speaker 1: but that they're you know, the likelihood no fan events
Speaker 1: with as few volunteers as possible, and and there's no rakes.
Speaker 1: That would be to me one of the coolest things,
Speaker 1: because you know, I love that, you know, you put
Speaker 1: with the pin in and there's no rakes on the
Speaker 1: golf course, and then it would be a great way
Speaker 1: to reintroduce that. Like the one of the most compelling
Speaker 1: stories I think is the is Jack Nicholas when he
Speaker 1: went to the furrowed rake times in the two thousand
Speaker 1: and six memorial and people went nuts, but Carl Petterson won.
Speaker 1: He only hit it in two bunkers all week, and
Speaker 1: he talked about He's like, oh, yeah, I changed the
Speaker 1: way I played this golf course because I wanted to
Speaker 1: avoid bunkers at all costs. That's the way it.
Speaker 2: Should be, absolutely, That's the way the game was founded on.
Speaker 2: Like you're not supposed to have a perfect lie in
Speaker 2: a bunker, you're not supposed to be able to intuitively
Speaker 2: gauge immediately within an error percentage of five percent of
Speaker 2: how the ball is going to react. You're not supposed
Speaker 2: to this. It's a hazard. That's that's that's you know.
Speaker 2: That's but again, this is to an extent entertainment when
Speaker 2: it comes to the PGA Tour. Again, not a criticism,
Speaker 2: it's just there has been an evolution of the game
Speaker 2: in many regards.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's it's bound to happen. You know,
Speaker 1: every game's evolved. So all right, last question, what's the
Speaker 1: golf course you are hoping to most get to this year?
Speaker 2: I have a very long list, but for me would
Speaker 2: probably be Crystal Downs.
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Guys have that tournament up in
Speaker 1: Northern Michigan too.
Speaker 2: In Midland, Yeah, yeah, I think it's within ninety minutes
Speaker 2: where I think is what it was, or maybe it
Speaker 2: was three hours, I can't remember, but.
Speaker 1: That's the team tournament, right, Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, the Dow the Greater Midlands is invitational. The Dow GBI,
Speaker 2: I think is what it is. Yeah. So oh and
Speaker 2: that's right. Haley Moore, who is a rookie on the
Speaker 2: LPGA Tour and is someone I've known for I think
Speaker 2: she's twenty one now for six years or so. She
Speaker 2: and I are going to be partners.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's she's awesome because she can murder the ball,
Speaker 2: but she has some of the most soft hands you'll
Speaker 2: ever see. Like keep an eye out for her, like
Speaker 2: no joke, keep an eye out for her in the
Speaker 2: coming years and for a very long time. But I
Speaker 2: would played Crystal.
Speaker 1: You played the Congruent. I always mess up these words.
Speaker 1: The Congruent event down in Australia, the men's women Yeah,
Speaker 1: the open How that was? How cool was that experience?
Speaker 2: So that was where I was going to go when
Speaker 2: you said if I the things you wanted to change
Speaker 2: with within the next five years of the LPGA tour,
Speaker 2: that would have been number two in my books of
Speaker 2: having more events like that. It was. It was so cool,
Speaker 2: Like is my second time around, because last year was
Speaker 2: my first encounter with it, and it's it's so funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm in a very happy relationship obviously, and
Speaker 2: I just remember on like Saturday, I like walked up
Speaker 2: to Morgan Pressel, I'd be like, and she's very happily
Speaker 2: married and I'm like what psire? Like I felt like
Speaker 2: a kid because it's like, you know, I remember I
Speaker 2: saw Jeff Ogilvy for the first time last year, and
Speaker 2: I saw him again this year, and it was still
Speaker 2: like I had the same reaction of just like, you know,
Speaker 2: like a four year old girl that meets like a
Speaker 2: very handsome man and I'm like, I can't speak, like
Speaker 2: I I'm just completely starstruck and just mesmerized by this man,
Speaker 2: you know. And and then you know, in practice rounds
Speaker 2: you're able to go play with the guys, and it's
Speaker 2: so funny because I'd be there and I like this year,
Speaker 2: I played with Brett Rumford, who has one of Rumsford
Speaker 2: who has one of the best short games you will
Speaker 2: ever see, like follow him on Instagram. He he's it's
Speaker 2: just stupid. And Aaron Pike, who's a buddy of mine
Speaker 2: that I met last year actually, and it's just so
Speaker 2: funny because it's like whenever i'd be talking to any
Speaker 2: of the guys, like I met I met Sean Croker Crocker,
Speaker 2: and then I've known Sam Horsefield since he was like fourteenth,
Speaker 2: I've known him forever, and they were both over there.
Speaker 2: It just came back, I believe, from the tournament in
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia and just sit there and I'm just like,
Speaker 2: you guys hate it so far, and they're like, but
Speaker 2: you guys hate it so straight, and so we're like
Speaker 2: in awe of each other and like you can gain
Speaker 2: an appreciation for the other gender's game styles. And so
Speaker 2: they we have two golf courses and they stagger it
Speaker 2: where the tea times are male female male female male female.
Speaker 2: So as a spectator, you can watch the best men
Speaker 2: and then immediate or previously to that, watch the best
Speaker 2: women and be able to see like the different ways
Speaker 2: in which people can and do play golf. Like it's
Speaker 2: it's just so cool, and there was this sense of community.
Speaker 2: The ropes were taken down and that's how the tournament
Speaker 2: had always been been held. And so all the spectators
Speaker 2: that came out to watch are very respectful. Like you'd
Speaker 2: walk down the fairway with the spectators, and you know,
Speaker 2: they have a great sense of reading people's personalities and
Speaker 2: people's moods and things like that, and you know, I
Speaker 2: would strike up a conversation with someone or something like that,
Speaker 2: or you know, if they if I was playing with
Speaker 2: someone who might have been a little bit more introverted,
Speaker 2: you know, they could tell her I'm not going to
Speaker 2: chat someone up, just becaush. She's there, you know, And
Speaker 2: so it was. It was just really cool. It was.
Speaker 2: It's truly one of my favorite tournaments. And Simon brook
Speaker 2: House of Golf Australia formerly Golf Victoria, he had this
Speaker 2: idea that came into Fruition years ago. That is just
Speaker 2: for me. It's a perfect I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 2: template for so many tournaments. I'm hoping that come in
Speaker 2: the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a cool I want to I gotta
Speaker 1: get down there, maybe maybe this year, but I say
Speaker 1: that every year, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: When I get down there, maybe we can make it happen.
Speaker 2: I know that would you get so much good work
Speaker 2: done and then be able to play golf for so
Speaker 2: long because the sun will basically never set.
Speaker 1: I just I guess see if if a newborn child
Speaker 1: can fly to Australia way oh yeah wow yeah, so
Speaker 1: that will will be like three months old.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, life's gonna change soon.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're not going to sleep for another forty years.
Speaker 1: Because so, hey, thanks uh so much for your time.
Speaker 1: We'll have to do this again, hopefully, next time, under
Speaker 1: better circumstances in person, you know, maybe maybe we'll have played,
Speaker 1: uh played a good round of golf before.
Speaker 2: So I would love that. And I just want to
Speaker 2: say thank you so much for inviting me on. This is,
Speaker 2: honest to god, the number one podcast that I wanted
Speaker 2: to be on for literal years.
Speaker 1: Sorry it took so long.
Speaker 2: Oh good, No, I anytime I would like look at
Speaker 2: the list of guests and I'm like, well, duh, like
Speaker 2: of course I would have him on, or oh my god,
Speaker 2: like there's another you like yoke with dope like obviously,
Speaker 2: like of course, like are you kidding me? I know,
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm I'm so thankful that you were able
Speaker 2: to be able to fit me in like this was.
Speaker 2: This was amazing.
Speaker 1: It's more I wanted to do it. I like to
Speaker 1: I've become a snob. I used to always do ave
Speaker 1: over Skype, and and now I've I became accustomed to
Speaker 1: do an in person pods and now we're back to
Speaker 1: not do an in person pods. So it was it
Speaker 1: was more of a way to when we were in
Speaker 1: the same spot at the same time.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's fair enough too. Then it's just stars
Speaker 2: the stars were aligned for us to not meet up
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, and so we had to do
Speaker 2: it virtually. But no, honestly, I'm so thankful like this is.
Speaker 2: I hope I didn't come off as too much of
Speaker 2: an idiot, because this was not I was actually really
Speaker 2: concerned about.
Speaker 1: Not an idiot at all. I'm the biggest city in
Speaker 1: the world. So well, people can follow you on social media.
Speaker 1: You're very active, You're good follow there on Instagram and Twitter,
Speaker 1: and thank you so much. And hopefully we'll see you
Speaker 1: playing golf here soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you will see me playing golf whenever it
Speaker 2: is safe for us to do so. And that's all
Speaker 2: that matters, whether it's middle of June, whether it's August,
Speaker 2: whether it's twenty twenty one. As long as everyone is
Speaker 2: safe and everyone is on the path to figuring things out,
Speaker 2: that's you know. I mean this. As much as I
Speaker 2: love golf, I love the idea of people staying healthy
Speaker 2: and staying live more than that. But thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, hey, thanks, that was fun. That was great.
Speaker 2: That was great. That was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might try to do something different when we
Speaker 1: released this. I was thinking today I was talking with
Speaker 1: Will who works for us. About doing maybe like an
Speaker 1: Instagram live for like five minutes. I don't know. You
Speaker 1: know how you can do those where you talking abouls? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you want to try and do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: When I don't know, like Sunday or Monday.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm down.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll just text. I'll text you, yeah for sure,
Speaker 1: and we'll ask Mike. We'll ask like fun questions like
Speaker 1: what's your favorite fruit?
Speaker 2: Okay, you got it, But just make sure that you
Speaker 2: give me at least thirty minutes of a window so
Speaker 2: I can make sure my eyebrows are drawn off, because
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do an Instagram Live without my eyebrows.
Speaker 1: No, of course, I'll text you. I gotta, you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta. Yeah, I can't be looking like I look
Speaker 1: at now. I look like a because I haven't showered
Speaker 1: and I'm in sweat pants so gorgeous. But well, well,
Speaker 1: i'll text.
Speaker 2: You, Okay, thank.
Speaker 1: You, Hey, thank you. That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: That was That was awesome.
Speaker 1: Bye, have a good weekend you too.
Speaker 2: Stay safe.
Speaker 1: Bye bye h